February 19, 2025 • 25 mins
Gary has the latest news out of Washington D.C. during Swamp Watch. Gary brings in his friend Justin Worsham to talk all tings parenting including giving your children allowances.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Shannon's not here today.
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Hey Gary, maybe I missed it, But what's up with Shannon?
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Is she okay? Can you just give those of us
who might have missed it a heads up?
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Thanks?
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Where Shannon? Now I missed it?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Did you say?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Is she okay? She is fine. She's just taking care
of some family stuff. That's all Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
You know what this asteroid and chances of increasing. I
think DOGE isn't about government cutting waste. I think it's
a secret program with Musk about diverting an object from
a galaxy everywhere. So they're gonna have to build some
kind of orbiting rocket program to knock this thing off
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its course.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
So we're in big trouble, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
So we'll talk about the asteroid when we get into
our into our trending stories, but in the meantime, it's
time for swamp watch.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a
lot and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops.
Here we got The real problem is that our leaders
are done.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
So what I'm not going anywhere?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
So that is now Ukraine the squaw. I can imagine
what can be and be unburdened by what has been.
You know, Americans have always been going a president.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
They're not stupid.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Why have the people voted for you? Were not swamp watch?
They're all counter on.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Well, the comments from President Trump about Ukraine and the
invasion by Ruffia or Russia have caused quite a lot
of feathers to ruffle today.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
This is what he said in a news conference yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Well, we have marshal law, essentially marshal law in Ukraine.
Where the leader in Ukraine, I mean, I hate to
say it, but he's down at four percent approval rating.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
They haven't held elections there.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
They were supposed to, I believe in twenty let's see
twenty two. Was it twenty two or twenty they were
supposed to hold elections. Russia invaded, they postponed the elections.
As far as the polling and the approval rating, it's
not down at four percent. The latest poll that I
saw put Zelenski's approval rating somewhere around fifty percent, which
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is similar to what President Trump has.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
But today I heard, oh, we weren't invited. Well, you've
been there for three years. You should have ended it
three years. You should have never started it. You could
have made a deal. I could have made a deal
for Ukraine that would have given him almost all of
the land everything, almost all of the land, and no
people would have been killed, and no city would have
been demolished, and not one dome would have been knocked down.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I wouldn't say that this is good for the relationship
between the United States and Ukraine. Zelenski says that Trump
is living in a Russian made disinformation space. Trump then
called Zelensky on a post on truth social a dictator
without elections. While all of that is going on in
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the background of the US Russia talks that took place
in Saudi Arabia, there is at least some movement toward
Putin and Trump sitting down together the two heads of state.
Whether or not it's with President Zelensky, it doesn't appear
like he's going to be a part of it, at
least not yet. But when asked if he was going
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to meet with Putin by the end of the month.
President Trump responded with the word probably. The Special Envoy
to Ukraine, General Keith Kellogg, arrived in Kiev this morning
for a continuation of talks with Zelensky. Kellogg had served
as National Security Advisor to the Vice President, Chief of Staff,
the National Security Council and the first administration.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
He's been telling reporters that he wants to make this.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Trip to learn of the Ukrainian view on ending the
war with Russia. I should say, and he said, We're
going to listen. We understand the need for security guarantees
and of course the sovereignty of this nation on the
defense of this nation as well. He told them as
he showed up at the Kiev train station. That's how
you get into Kiev, by the way, Cash Patel. Yesterday,
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the Senate voted along party lines to advance the nomination
of Cash Patel to be director of the FBI. This
was the procedural hurdle to set up a final vote
on the controversial ally Trump Ally lawmakers voted forty eight
to forty five to advance Patel's nomination. Democrats are concerned
that he's going to operate as a loyalist for the president,
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target political enemies, etc. This sets up a final confirmation
of confirmation vote later this week. Some of the more
controversial picks, by the way, some of the ones that
we are not expected to be confirmed were confirmed. Tulsey Gabbert,
Its Director of National Intelligence, Robert F. Kennedy, Junior Health
and Human Services, even Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who had
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to have Vice President of Vance come in and cast
that tie breaking vote to get through. Patel worked as
a former intelligence official, a former Deartment of Defense official
during the first term, and he has talked about reshaping
the FBI. He was a vocal critic of the FBI's
investigations into Trump, including Trump's mishandling of classified documents, the
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attempts to overturn the twenty twenty election, the debunked allegations
of Russian interference from back in the twenty sixteen elections.
So the cash Ptel nomination will go up for a
final vote sometime the next couple of days.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Do you dream regularly?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
There are a lot of people who say they don't dream,
or at least if they do, they don't remember them.
We'll talk about why some people do remember their dreams
and some people don't.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
We come back, what about nightmares? That would count as
a dream.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It would count as the under the umbrella of dream,
bad dream, But it's a dream.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Everybody's got to have dreams, deborra.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Okay, So about one in four people don't remember their
dreams for some people, the other you know, somewhere in
the higher end of the you know, one in four
people don't remember their dreams. There's probably one in four
people who vividly remember their dreams, details, the feelings, all
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of those things, and the researchers are trying to figure
out why. There was a study that's published in Communications Psychology.
Scientists from a bunch of different research institutions, specifically in Italy,
did a huge investigation to uncover what determines our dream recall,
what makes some people remember everything about their dreams and
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some people remember nothing about their dreams. Because there was
a study back in the fifties that focused mainly on
that rem sleep, that's the rapid eye movement sleep, but
it's also about the deepest version of your brain, the
most unconscious I guess it could get. And scientists initially
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thought that they saw the mystery of dream by linking
it exclusively to that REM sleep cycle that you're supposed
to hit. But they also say that people can dream
during non rem sleep stages. Those dreams aren't quite as vivid,
they're a little hard to remember in some cases, but
that you still do it. So according to researchers, there
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are three main factors that were strong predictors of your
ability to recall your dreams. One of them your attitude
towards dreaming. Do you think it's important? I mean, do
you think it's it's my brain telling me how I
really feel about the issues? Or are you the guy
who says, well, the dream is just my brain flushing
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out all of the waste for the rest of the day,
and some of it comes together. And I might dream
about a guy that I've spoke of but we haven't
seen in fifty or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
There's another one.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Another characteristic is whether or not you daydream. Do you
let your mind wander when you're away and just think
about other things, random things? And then typical sleep patterns,
So your attitude towards dreaming, your ability to daydream, and
then your typical sleep pattern All of these things contribute
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to whether or not you you remember your dreams. And
like I said, if you view dreams as meaningful, if
you think they're worthy of your attention, if they're trying
to say something to you, your brain is working out
problems through a dream, you're much more likely to remember
them than if you think it's just meaningless static, that
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it's your brain burping and farting out whatever it had
for the rest of the day when it's meals not sorry,
it's bad analogy, but mind wandering also proved a crucial factor.
They for example, used to questionnaire talked about how people's
thoughts drift away from their current task at work.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
How distracted are you?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
This does not include the phone, by the way, You're
just sitting down somewhere and you kind of look off
into the corner and you thinks, yeah, burn and wonder
about the vacation and that kind of thing. If you're
more likely to do that, you're more likely to remember
your dreams. People who typically had longer periods of lighter
sleep with less deep sleep called the N three sleep.
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They said, if you had longer periods of lighter sleep,
you were better at remembering your dreams. They said, when
you're in that really deep sleep, your brain produces these
large slow waves that actually help consolidate your memories but
could make it harder to generate or even remember your dreams.
But if you're in one of those lighter sleep stages,
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your brain activity is a little bit more active. Brain
activity is more active, you have higher brain activity, and
it's more similar to actually being awake, So it's going
to make it easier to form and store those dream memories.
They also said that age was a factor. Younger participants
were generally better at remembering specific dream content. Older people
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more frequently reported white dreams. The white dream is I
think we've all experienced this. You know, you had to
dream about something, but you could not describe it to anybody.
You can't remember anything specific about it. That they said
is just an indicator of how our brains as we
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get older process the information and stored dream memories. Then
all of that may change as we get older. Justin
Warsham is jo your nut cheese. We've talked about We've
talked about money before with kids, and gosh, how you
teach them and how they learn money, and it's just
an awful.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
I think of your example that you did with your
kids when an earlier time when we talked about this subject,
where you said that you basically translated your entire monthly
expenses and income into quarters to put it down on
like a smaller scale, but to make it tactile, and
then showed the kids, Okay, this is how much money
we make. This goes to the house, This goes to food,
this goes to you know whatever. This is how much
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is left left over for us to play around with. Yeah,
I still don't know if they remember that. I should
ask that.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I bet you they do. I would be.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I think you'd be, because I mean, look, you got
well he Calvin moved out again, right right, So he's
out on his own, but he has he ever had
more than what you would expect, right, Like, he's not
struggling financially because he's out, Like he's not doing the
thing that I at least did.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I'll put myself in.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Like I turned eighteen, I got a credit card for
Macy's because why not. I couldn't afford one hundred dollar watch,
so I financed it for two years because that's what
smart people do. Gary, one hundred dollar watch turned into
two Well, now I had a job at nine, Like,
it wasn't like I didn't understand how to earn a.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Buck, right, It's it's a weird thing. Money works in
such a weird way. I almost equate it to food
in that you got to teach people how to eat correctly, right,
But everybody's got to eat in this case, unless you're
living in some weird militant vegan cult, you're gonna have
to use money at some point. Yeah, So where do
you get it from, how do you keep it, how
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do you use it wisely? All that sort of stuff.
An article that you found for us is whether or
not a parent should be giving money to a kid
for pocket money.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Like, basically, I think the way like you have allowance, right,
which allowance I think has been I don't know if
it was always defined this way. I feel like allowance
has become almost like alimony to your kid, Like you
just give them money even though they're not doing anything.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Right, and then they get paid for chores.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
And so this is coming from an argument between a
married couple where Dad's like, I want the kid to
have pocket money, just roaming around money because he thinks
that's a good way for the kid. To learn like oh,
I'm out of pocket money and to have their own money.
So if they want to get a candy bar at
the grocery store, well do you have enough money out
of your pocket to do it? But Mom's like, well,
they need to earn the money. And he's like, great,
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well let's pay him for the chores. And she's like, no, no.
The chores they do is because they're a part of
the households the chores and in the experts that I've
talked to on this subject, both have very valid merit.
At Rachel Cruz, who's Dave Ramsey's daughter. She has a
great book called Smart Money, Smart Kids, and she talks
about having guidelines where you say, Okay, these are things
that you do because you live in this house and
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you're a part of this family, and this is how
you contribute to the family. These are extra things that
you do that you get paid for, and these are
your chores that you would do for money. Kind of
a thing the above and beyond, above and beyond, and
that's up to you to decide. My favorite thing, which
I'd love to brag about this right now, I have
a thirteen year old who has a job and.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I'd love it.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Trust me, no greater validation has come my way. And
I only say this out loud because in my experience
being a father, especially talking about father being a father
to the public, is you have to take these moments
to brag because trust me, the humbling is coming. My
sixteen year old's gonna get some girl pregnant or something
at that level is coming my way. So I have
to wallow in this greatness because I used to also
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brag them, like I can't wait for them to be teenagers.
I'm going to thrive as a father, as a father
of teenagers. And it was horrible, a normal sub I
know you did tell you. I know what, I'm stupid.
I'm stupid. So anyway, he came to me when he
was no joke. He was about three and a half,
and he said, Dad, can I We have like rocks
in our landscaping and they get scattered around.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And I let him to be neat because I'm broken.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
And he said, can I go put the rocks back
where they go for some money? And I said yeah,
why and he said, because I'm poor. And I told
him the thing that I learned. I said, You're not poor,
You're broke. There's a difference, I said so, but yeah
you can. And that kid went out there for three
hours and just working as rocks and.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
He wasn't even four years old. Did you pay a
minimum wage? I in less than I don't. Yeah, I
gave it.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
I think I give him five bucks. I think it's
what I remember giving him, and uh and so. And
now he's grown up and he's got a job, and
a big reason why he wants to have a job
is because he has a problem saving money. He also
gets ten dollars a week from us, like they just get.
That's what he gets. And when you turn fifteen, in
my house, you bump it up to twenty five dollars
a week, because I learned from my older son. You
go out with your friends, you get a girlfriend, you
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need some more walking around money that you can take
him out.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
But the older one doesn't have a job. He does
not have a job, and the younger one loves to
remind him of that.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
So the older one got a raise. Yeah, well he
didn't get a raise. Well you're talking about you just
told me. When he turned fifteen, he got up to
twenty two weeks.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
The younger one will get a raise when he turns fifteen.
Trust me, the younger one has known. He's been at
this job not even a week and a half and
he's already made two hundred bucks.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
He gets tips at this ice cream place.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
He's gonna be like President Trump, but he's gonna be like, yeah,
I'll do that. I'll turn fifteen for nothing, maybe a buck.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
You give me a dollar a year.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
And it's funny because one of the things that they
talk about in this article that one of the psychologists
mentions is that you know the doubt there are downsides
to your kids having their own money because you can't
tell them what to do with it. That's part of
and that was my thing when I had My dad
made me get a paper out and I was making
four hundred bucks a month at nine years old. If
my mom was making something for dinner I didn't like,
I would literally order a pizza and just have it delivered.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
To the house. And oh yeah, that was a brave man.
I was stupid, not brave, stupid.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
I just thought, well, this is my money, and and
my mom got angry and went to my dad and
he's like, well, it's his money.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
What are we gonna do?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Oh, my dad would have backed up the moving van. Really,
you ought to go live in pizza Land. Pizza Land.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I think my dad was proud of it.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You said the difference between being poor and being broke. Yes,
there's a value in having those moments of brokeness where
you don't know what the next thing is going to be.
It's different if you're chronically poor like my parents. My
mom's family specifically chronically poor when they were growing up,
and I mean to the point where they lived basically
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the only reason that they made it through is through
the generosity of family members and sometimes just friends that
they would live with other families. And it wasn't that
Grandpa didn't work hard. It's not that they weren't resourceful.
It's just that there was a time when it was
legitimately people were legitimately poor. And not to say that
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people aren't any these days, it's just so much more rare,
like to say that they're poor, but then they're they
can't figure out why they're you know, sixty five inch television, right,
it doesn't pick up the same channels that everybody.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
While you're breaking this down, in my mind, there are
two things is that I always like this phrase that
being poor as a mindset, being broke as a state
of being right, and so if you have to really
rewire your brain, if you have a and I would
equate this like I grew up with a very middle
class living and when my dad told me to read
Rich Dad, Poor Dad, it really opened my mind to
the of like there's a different way of looking at
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your life in general, and where middle class puts their
money into liabilities, things that cost the money. Upper class
wealthy people put their money into things that make them
more money, and that's how they become more wealthy. And
just having that little snippet is why I paid my
kids each one hundred bucks to read that book and
give me like a I did like a book report
interview with them, and I think, I hope it's helped them.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
It seemed to have so far. But trying to make
an investment so that they'll cover your expenses once they
get you know, it's a long term place. It's a
long term money into the investment. But I the other.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Part was that I'm thinking, and I wonder if we're
about to see this kind of evolution of what it
is to be poor, because life in general has become
so luxurious compared to what you know, my grandpa, who
grew up in the Great Depression, right, the things that
I get to live with, you know, having a pretty
fair to mid level income, that compared to what he
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had having no even if you account for inflation, it
does not compare. He was a cotton farmer in Texas,
you know what I mean. That was what his family did.
His dad had to go work on an oil rig
in Texas while him at five and his older brother
at nine basically farmed eighty five acres of cotton by themselves. Like,
that's how little money they had. If I joked, what
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if I had my kids take care of a four
foot by four foot garden in my backyard, There'd be
an emotional breakdown. So, I mean, for all the pluses,
I don't know, no fruit, they would kill all of it.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
My so my like I said, both of my parents
grew up at times poor broke, and that dictated how
they went about a how they went about their college education.
Dad became a chemist, Mom became a teacher, and they
for the most part, they worked all my life. Mom
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took time off when she had kids, but then by
the time I was seven something like that had gone
back to work. So I saw both parents constantly working,
and so they made plenty of money, but they never
flaunted it. They never gave us money willy nilly. It
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was never money was never free in my house. What
about a little allowance? But but it was because I
was doing things around the house, and there was a
regular schedule of things that I would I was to do,
and then I they would kind of pimp me out
in a weird way.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I'll say that differently.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
They would tell neighbors like, hey, there's an able bodied
twelve year old to mow your lawn or take out
the garbage, or there were neighbors around the corner. Missus
Gibbs was a widow and couldn't mow her lawn and
couldn't take out her garbage.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
So once a week I'd go.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And I'd mow her lawn and I'd take out the garbage,
and she'd pay me four bucks or whatever it was.
Did you hate it like a more than I can say, interesting,
more than I could tell.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And she was a nice to Your.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Parents were like, oh God, why do I have to
do that? Of course I did, Oh okay, good makes
me feel better.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
But there was a point when I realized that I'm
not doing it just for the four bucks.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I'm doing it to be a good neighbor.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
And to you know, this was a woman who was
a teacher with my mother from at the time, and
then she moved across town. I got I got a
bike over there every time, and you know, sometimes when
I wasn't there, I'd have to ask a friend if
you would go, if he would go do it. So
I kind of learned that coordination part of it. But
there were my parents never owned a new car. They
they bought a not a Cadillac. They bought a Chrysler
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right after they got married with some of the money
that they had used toney, with some of the money
they got when they got married. They bought a Chrysler,
and my dad bought a pickup truck. But that was
back when the pickup truck was like eight hundred and
fifty bucks.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And they bought new cars. They rarely bought news cars
or new cars.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
It wasn't until they both retired and they moved and
they had all of this money. I don't mean all
of it, but they had money saved down.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
They had money saved up, and they didn't have expenses
in the way of kids that had activities or anything
that they needed to take care of. It was just
them and so for the risk was mitigated because they
could decide what their lifestyle was. When you have kids,
your lifestyle kind of is dictated by them a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I think it can be, and it now I think
is much more so than when we were kids. My
parents didn't spend money on stuff like I mean, outside
of a thirty dollars signup fee for a little league.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
They didn't buy me bats.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Any glove I used was a hand me down from
either my dad or from some kid down the street.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Remember the pop order teams had like these big shipping
crates filled with all the pads and helmets for everybody,
and that's what you got.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And they'd been around for twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yes, every kid that went through your town had more
mill shoulder pass before exactly smelled.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Like it too, And I was surprised they didn't have
like the old leatherhead helmets I still carry back in
there somewhere. When my kid played Pop Order football, I
spent four hundred dollars on helmets and shoulder pads.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I mean when I when I talked to when I
was at a baseball fantasy camp, there's a bunch of
guys there whose kids, younger kids ten, twelve, fourteen are
now playing travel baseball stuff. And I was laughing about, Oh, yeah,
that's that's five hundred bucks you'll never get back. They're
like five hundred. We wish it was five hundred. You
know that they're paying twenty twenty five hundred dollars every season,
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not just for a couple of bats for your kid.
You got three or four different uniforms that you are
responsible for as the parent. You got to coordinate travel,
you got to coordinate hotel stays, you got to in
some cases travel coordinate airfare to get your kids to
some tournament in Vegas or in Dallas or whatever. And
it just seems unbelievable because how does a kid at
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that age understand the sacrifice that you're making monetarily.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
And like having contempt for them.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
I have to next year when my younger son goes
into the show choir here in Burbank, it's like it's
a big thing, Like it's the The TV show Glee
was based on this high school choir, and I told
my wife, I realized, I'm going to be spending basically
the cost of a used car every year in donating
to this program to help fund it. Like it's bananas
the amount of money. And so I have to resist
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the urge to have contempt for them, because there's no
way that they understand that that's.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
How much money I'm giving. No, and they don't, nor
really should they like well, and.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
That goes back to the example that I did when
I put out you were talking about when I tried
to use a physical example to the kids about how
much money I made and how much money it costs
to live where we lived, and I used a quarter
for every.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Every I think it was a thousand. I think you're right.
It was a quarter for every thousand dollars I brought
in in a month, which isn't a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
No, I'm were going radio FORGOTSA.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
So I'd lay that.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Out and then I'd push these quarters over there, and
I'd push those quarters over there, and I push those
quarters over there, and I would be I would I'd
be left with like instead of fifty cents, I'd be
left with like twenty.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
This is what I.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Got left to do everything else, which includes your games,
your swing up, your movies, all the luxury eat all
that stuff. And it's I still don't know if they
get it.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
You don't think they do. I do want to say
that this always comes up, and I love this. The
Harvard Grant study was the longest longitudal study in American
history where they've look back, and the common thread that
they have with most successful business people and CEOs is
that they did chores as a kid.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
The experts that I talked to suggest that.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Bare minimum, you give some kind of an allowance to
your kid, bare minimum, so that they understand they have
a limit on their funds, and they start to work
those neurons in problem solving that as early as five,
but definitely by the time they're about ten. And then
they say that you can do like one dollar for
every year, for every week, so a ten year old
will get ten bucks a week from you in the
form of an allowance.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I'm behind that. I have a thirteen year old who
gets ten bucks a week. Yeah, but he's gonna get
a he's gonna he's got a job. He's doing great.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
And then anyway, I was looking at this study, and
this mom had this great comment where she said, my
mom always had this great line where she said, if
you're old enough to afford therapy, you're too old to
blame your parents for your problems.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I don't want to get that on a tea shot.
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Hey Gary, maybe I missed it, But what's up with Shannon?
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Is she okay? Can you just give those of us
who might have missed it a heads up?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Thanks?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Where Shannon? Now I missed it?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Did you say?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Is she okay? She is fine. She's just taking care
of some family stuff. That's all Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
You know what this asteroid and chances of increasing. I
think DOGE isn't about government cutting waste. I think it's
a secret program with Musk about diverting an object from
a galaxy everywhere. So they're gonna have to build some
kind of orbiting rocket program to knock this thing off
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its course.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
So we're in big trouble, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
So we'll talk about the asteroid when we get into
our into our trending stories, but in the meantime, it's
time for swamp watch.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a
lot and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops.
Here we got The real problem is that our leaders
are done.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
So what I'm not going anywhere?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
So that is now Ukraine the squaw. I can imagine
what can be and be unburdened by what has been.
You know, Americans have always been going a president.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
They're not stupid.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Why have the people voted for you? Were not swamp watch?
They're all counter on.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Well, the comments from President Trump about Ukraine and the
invasion by Ruffia or Russia have caused quite a lot
of feathers to ruffle today.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
This is what he said in a news conference yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Well, we have marshal law, essentially marshal law in Ukraine.
Where the leader in Ukraine, I mean, I hate to
say it, but he's down at four percent approval rating.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
They haven't held elections there.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
They were supposed to, I believe in twenty let's see
twenty two. Was it twenty two or twenty they were
supposed to hold elections. Russia invaded, they postponed the elections.
As far as the polling and the approval rating, it's
not down at four percent. The latest poll that I
saw put Zelenski's approval rating somewhere around fifty percent, which
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is similar to what President Trump has.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
But today I heard, oh, we weren't invited. Well, you've
been there for three years. You should have ended it
three years. You should have never started it. You could
have made a deal. I could have made a deal
for Ukraine that would have given him almost all of
the land everything, almost all of the land, and no
people would have been killed, and no city would have
been demolished, and not one dome would have been knocked down.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I wouldn't say that this is good for the relationship
between the United States and Ukraine. Zelenski says that Trump
is living in a Russian made disinformation space. Trump then
called Zelensky on a post on truth social a dictator
without elections. While all of that is going on in
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the background of the US Russia talks that took place
in Saudi Arabia, there is at least some movement toward
Putin and Trump sitting down together the two heads of state.
Whether or not it's with President Zelensky, it doesn't appear
like he's going to be a part of it, at
least not yet. But when asked if he was going
(03:19):
to meet with Putin by the end of the month.
President Trump responded with the word probably. The Special Envoy
to Ukraine, General Keith Kellogg, arrived in Kiev this morning
for a continuation of talks with Zelensky. Kellogg had served
as National Security Advisor to the Vice President, Chief of Staff,
the National Security Council and the first administration.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
He's been telling reporters that he wants to make this.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Trip to learn of the Ukrainian view on ending the
war with Russia. I should say, and he said, We're
going to listen. We understand the need for security guarantees
and of course the sovereignty of this nation on the
defense of this nation as well. He told them as
he showed up at the Kiev train station. That's how
you get into Kiev, by the way, Cash Patel. Yesterday,
(04:07):
the Senate voted along party lines to advance the nomination
of Cash Patel to be director of the FBI. This
was the procedural hurdle to set up a final vote
on the controversial ally Trump Ally lawmakers voted forty eight
to forty five to advance Patel's nomination. Democrats are concerned
that he's going to operate as a loyalist for the president,
(04:29):
target political enemies, etc. This sets up a final confirmation
of confirmation vote later this week. Some of the more
controversial picks, by the way, some of the ones that
we are not expected to be confirmed were confirmed. Tulsey Gabbert,
Its Director of National Intelligence, Robert F. Kennedy, Junior Health
and Human Services, even Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who had
(04:50):
to have Vice President of Vance come in and cast
that tie breaking vote to get through. Patel worked as
a former intelligence official, a former Deartment of Defense official
during the first term, and he has talked about reshaping
the FBI. He was a vocal critic of the FBI's
investigations into Trump, including Trump's mishandling of classified documents, the
(05:14):
attempts to overturn the twenty twenty election, the debunked allegations
of Russian interference from back in the twenty sixteen elections.
So the cash Ptel nomination will go up for a
final vote sometime the next couple of days.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Do you dream regularly?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
There are a lot of people who say they don't dream,
or at least if they do, they don't remember them.
We'll talk about why some people do remember their dreams
and some people don't.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
We come back, what about nightmares? That would count as
a dream.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It would count as the under the umbrella of dream,
bad dream, But it's a dream.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Everybody's got to have dreams, deborra.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Okay, So about one in four people don't remember their
dreams for some people, the other you know, somewhere in
the higher end of the you know, one in four
people don't remember their dreams. There's probably one in four
people who vividly remember their dreams, details, the feelings, all
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of those things, and the researchers are trying to figure
out why. There was a study that's published in Communications Psychology.
Scientists from a bunch of different research institutions, specifically in Italy,
did a huge investigation to uncover what determines our dream recall,
what makes some people remember everything about their dreams and
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some people remember nothing about their dreams. Because there was
a study back in the fifties that focused mainly on
that rem sleep, that's the rapid eye movement sleep, but
it's also about the deepest version of your brain, the
most unconscious I guess it could get. And scientists initially
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thought that they saw the mystery of dream by linking
it exclusively to that REM sleep cycle that you're supposed
to hit. But they also say that people can dream
during non rem sleep stages. Those dreams aren't quite as vivid,
they're a little hard to remember in some cases, but
that you still do it. So according to researchers, there
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are three main factors that were strong predictors of your
ability to recall your dreams. One of them your attitude
towards dreaming. Do you think it's important? I mean, do
you think it's it's my brain telling me how I
really feel about the issues? Or are you the guy
who says, well, the dream is just my brain flushing
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out all of the waste for the rest of the day,
and some of it comes together. And I might dream
about a guy that I've spoke of but we haven't
seen in fifty or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
There's another one.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Another characteristic is whether or not you daydream. Do you
let your mind wander when you're away and just think
about other things, random things? And then typical sleep patterns,
So your attitude towards dreaming, your ability to daydream, and
then your typical sleep pattern All of these things contribute
(08:14):
to whether or not you you remember your dreams. And
like I said, if you view dreams as meaningful, if
you think they're worthy of your attention, if they're trying
to say something to you, your brain is working out
problems through a dream, you're much more likely to remember
them than if you think it's just meaningless static, that
(08:34):
it's your brain burping and farting out whatever it had
for the rest of the day when it's meals not sorry,
it's bad analogy, but mind wandering also proved a crucial factor.
They for example, used to questionnaire talked about how people's
thoughts drift away from their current task at work.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
How distracted are you?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
This does not include the phone, by the way, You're
just sitting down somewhere and you kind of look off
into the corner and you thinks, yeah, burn and wonder
about the vacation and that kind of thing. If you're
more likely to do that, you're more likely to remember
your dreams. People who typically had longer periods of lighter
sleep with less deep sleep called the N three sleep.
(09:15):
They said, if you had longer periods of lighter sleep,
you were better at remembering your dreams. They said, when
you're in that really deep sleep, your brain produces these
large slow waves that actually help consolidate your memories but
could make it harder to generate or even remember your dreams.
But if you're in one of those lighter sleep stages,
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your brain activity is a little bit more active. Brain
activity is more active, you have higher brain activity, and
it's more similar to actually being awake, So it's going
to make it easier to form and store those dream memories.
They also said that age was a factor. Younger participants
were generally better at remembering specific dream content. Older people
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more frequently reported white dreams. The white dream is I
think we've all experienced this. You know, you had to
dream about something, but you could not describe it to anybody.
You can't remember anything specific about it. That they said
is just an indicator of how our brains as we
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get older process the information and stored dream memories. Then
all of that may change as we get older. Justin
Warsham is jo your nut cheese. We've talked about We've
talked about money before with kids, and gosh, how you
teach them and how they learn money, and it's just
an awful.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
I think of your example that you did with your
kids when an earlier time when we talked about this subject,
where you said that you basically translated your entire monthly
expenses and income into quarters to put it down on
like a smaller scale, but to make it tactile, and
then showed the kids, Okay, this is how much money
we make. This goes to the house, This goes to food,
this goes to you know whatever. This is how much
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is left left over for us to play around with. Yeah,
I still don't know if they remember that. I should
ask that.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I bet you they do. I would be.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I think you'd be, because I mean, look, you got
well he Calvin moved out again, right right, So he's
out on his own, but he has he ever had
more than what you would expect, right, Like, he's not
struggling financially because he's out, Like he's not doing the
thing that I at least did.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I'll put myself in.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Like I turned eighteen, I got a credit card for
Macy's because why not. I couldn't afford one hundred dollar watch,
so I financed it for two years because that's what
smart people do. Gary, one hundred dollar watch turned into
two Well, now I had a job at nine, Like,
it wasn't like I didn't understand how to earn a.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Buck, right, It's it's a weird thing. Money works in
such a weird way. I almost equate it to food
in that you got to teach people how to eat correctly, right,
But everybody's got to eat in this case, unless you're
living in some weird militant vegan cult, you're gonna have
to use money at some point. Yeah, So where do
you get it from, how do you keep it, how
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do you use it wisely? All that sort of stuff.
An article that you found for us is whether or
not a parent should be giving money to a kid
for pocket money.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Like, basically, I think the way like you have allowance, right,
which allowance I think has been I don't know if
it was always defined this way. I feel like allowance
has become almost like alimony to your kid, Like you
just give them money even though they're not doing anything.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Right, and then they get paid for chores.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
And so this is coming from an argument between a
married couple where Dad's like, I want the kid to
have pocket money, just roaming around money because he thinks
that's a good way for the kid. To learn like oh,
I'm out of pocket money and to have their own money.
So if they want to get a candy bar at
the grocery store, well do you have enough money out
of your pocket to do it? But Mom's like, well,
they need to earn the money. And he's like, great,
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well let's pay him for the chores. And she's like, no, no.
The chores they do is because they're a part of
the households the chores and in the experts that I've
talked to on this subject, both have very valid merit.
At Rachel Cruz, who's Dave Ramsey's daughter. She has a
great book called Smart Money, Smart Kids, and she talks
about having guidelines where you say, Okay, these are things
that you do because you live in this house and
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you're a part of this family, and this is how
you contribute to the family. These are extra things that
you do that you get paid for, and these are
your chores that you would do for money. Kind of
a thing the above and beyond, above and beyond, and
that's up to you to decide. My favorite thing, which
I'd love to brag about this right now, I have
a thirteen year old who has a job and.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I'd love it.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Trust me, no greater validation has come my way. And
I only say this out loud because in my experience
being a father, especially talking about father being a father
to the public, is you have to take these moments
to brag because trust me, the humbling is coming. My
sixteen year old's gonna get some girl pregnant or something
at that level is coming my way. So I have
to wallow in this greatness because I used to also
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brag them, like I can't wait for them to be teenagers.
I'm going to thrive as a father, as a father
of teenagers. And it was horrible, a normal sub I
know you did tell you. I know what, I'm stupid.
I'm stupid. So anyway, he came to me when he
was no joke. He was about three and a half,
and he said, Dad, can I We have like rocks
in our landscaping and they get scattered around.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And I let him to be neat because I'm broken.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
And he said, can I go put the rocks back
where they go for some money? And I said yeah,
why and he said, because I'm poor. And I told
him the thing that I learned. I said, You're not poor,
You're broke. There's a difference, I said so, but yeah
you can. And that kid went out there for three
hours and just working as rocks and.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
He wasn't even four years old. Did you pay a
minimum wage? I in less than I don't. Yeah, I
gave it.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
I think I give him five bucks. I think it's
what I remember giving him, and uh and so. And
now he's grown up and he's got a job, and
a big reason why he wants to have a job
is because he has a problem saving money. He also
gets ten dollars a week from us, like they just get.
That's what he gets. And when you turn fifteen, in
my house, you bump it up to twenty five dollars
a week, because I learned from my older son. You
go out with your friends, you get a girlfriend, you
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need some more walking around money that you can take
him out.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
But the older one doesn't have a job. He does
not have a job, and the younger one loves to
remind him of that.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
So the older one got a raise. Yeah, well he
didn't get a raise. Well you're talking about you just
told me. When he turned fifteen, he got up to
twenty two weeks.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
The younger one will get a raise when he turns fifteen.
Trust me, the younger one has known. He's been at
this job not even a week and a half and
he's already made two hundred bucks.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
He gets tips at this ice cream place.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
He's gonna be like President Trump, but he's gonna be like, yeah,
I'll do that. I'll turn fifteen for nothing, maybe a buck.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
You give me a dollar a year.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
And it's funny because one of the things that they
talk about in this article that one of the psychologists
mentions is that you know the doubt there are downsides
to your kids having their own money because you can't
tell them what to do with it. That's part of
and that was my thing when I had My dad
made me get a paper out and I was making
four hundred bucks a month at nine years old. If
my mom was making something for dinner I didn't like,
I would literally order a pizza and just have it delivered.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
To the house. And oh yeah, that was a brave man.
I was stupid, not brave, stupid.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
I just thought, well, this is my money, and and
my mom got angry and went to my dad and
he's like, well, it's his money.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
What are we gonna do?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Oh, my dad would have backed up the moving van. Really,
you ought to go live in pizza Land. Pizza Land.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I think my dad was proud of it.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You said the difference between being poor and being broke. Yes,
there's a value in having those moments of brokeness where
you don't know what the next thing is going to be.
It's different if you're chronically poor like my parents. My
mom's family specifically chronically poor when they were growing up,
and I mean to the point where they lived basically
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the only reason that they made it through is through
the generosity of family members and sometimes just friends that
they would live with other families. And it wasn't that
Grandpa didn't work hard. It's not that they weren't resourceful.
It's just that there was a time when it was
legitimately people were legitimately poor. And not to say that
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people aren't any these days, it's just so much more rare,
like to say that they're poor, but then they're they
can't figure out why they're you know, sixty five inch television, right,
it doesn't pick up the same channels that everybody.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
While you're breaking this down, in my mind, there are
two things is that I always like this phrase that
being poor as a mindset, being broke as a state
of being right, and so if you have to really
rewire your brain, if you have a and I would
equate this like I grew up with a very middle
class living and when my dad told me to read
Rich Dad, Poor Dad, it really opened my mind to
the of like there's a different way of looking at
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your life in general, and where middle class puts their
money into liabilities, things that cost the money. Upper class
wealthy people put their money into things that make them
more money, and that's how they become more wealthy. And
just having that little snippet is why I paid my
kids each one hundred bucks to read that book and
give me like a I did like a book report
interview with them, and I think, I hope it's helped them.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
It seemed to have so far. But trying to make
an investment so that they'll cover your expenses once they
get you know, it's a long term place. It's a
long term money into the investment. But I the other.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Part was that I'm thinking, and I wonder if we're
about to see this kind of evolution of what it
is to be poor, because life in general has become
so luxurious compared to what you know, my grandpa, who
grew up in the Great Depression, right, the things that
I get to live with, you know, having a pretty
fair to mid level income, that compared to what he
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had having no even if you account for inflation, it
does not compare. He was a cotton farmer in Texas,
you know what I mean. That was what his family did.
His dad had to go work on an oil rig
in Texas while him at five and his older brother
at nine basically farmed eighty five acres of cotton by themselves. Like,
that's how little money they had. If I joked, what
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if I had my kids take care of a four
foot by four foot garden in my backyard, There'd be
an emotional breakdown. So, I mean, for all the pluses,
I don't know, no fruit, they would kill all of it.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
My so my like I said, both of my parents
grew up at times poor broke, and that dictated how
they went about a how they went about their college education.
Dad became a chemist, Mom became a teacher, and they
for the most part, they worked all my life. Mom
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took time off when she had kids, but then by
the time I was seven something like that had gone
back to work. So I saw both parents constantly working,
and so they made plenty of money, but they never
flaunted it. They never gave us money willy nilly. It
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was never money was never free in my house. What
about a little allowance? But but it was because I
was doing things around the house, and there was a
regular schedule of things that I would I was to do,
and then I they would kind of pimp me out
in a weird way.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I'll say that differently.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
They would tell neighbors like, hey, there's an able bodied
twelve year old to mow your lawn or take out
the garbage, or there were neighbors around the corner. Missus
Gibbs was a widow and couldn't mow her lawn and
couldn't take out her garbage.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
So once a week I'd go.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And I'd mow her lawn and I'd take out the garbage,
and she'd pay me four bucks or whatever it was.
Did you hate it like a more than I can say, interesting,
more than I could tell.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And she was a nice to Your.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Parents were like, oh God, why do I have to
do that? Of course I did, Oh okay, good makes
me feel better.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
But there was a point when I realized that I'm
not doing it just for the four bucks.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I'm doing it to be a good neighbor.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
And to you know, this was a woman who was
a teacher with my mother from at the time, and
then she moved across town. I got I got a
bike over there every time, and you know, sometimes when
I wasn't there, I'd have to ask a friend if
you would go, if he would go do it. So
I kind of learned that coordination part of it. But
there were my parents never owned a new car. They
they bought a not a Cadillac. They bought a Chrysler
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right after they got married with some of the money
that they had used toney, with some of the money
they got when they got married. They bought a Chrysler,
and my dad bought a pickup truck. But that was
back when the pickup truck was like eight hundred and
fifty bucks.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And they bought new cars. They rarely bought news cars
or new cars.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
It wasn't until they both retired and they moved and
they had all of this money. I don't mean all
of it, but they had money saved down.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
They had money saved up, and they didn't have expenses
in the way of kids that had activities or anything
that they needed to take care of. It was just
them and so for the risk was mitigated because they
could decide what their lifestyle was. When you have kids,
your lifestyle kind of is dictated by them a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I think it can be, and it now I think
is much more so than when we were kids. My
parents didn't spend money on stuff like I mean, outside
of a thirty dollars signup fee for a little league.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
They didn't buy me bats.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Any glove I used was a hand me down from
either my dad or from some kid down the street.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Remember the pop order teams had like these big shipping
crates filled with all the pads and helmets for everybody,
and that's what you got.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And they'd been around for twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yes, every kid that went through your town had more
mill shoulder pass before exactly smelled.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Like it too, And I was surprised they didn't have
like the old leatherhead helmets I still carry back in
there somewhere. When my kid played Pop Order football, I
spent four hundred dollars on helmets and shoulder pads.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I mean when I when I talked to when I
was at a baseball fantasy camp, there's a bunch of
guys there whose kids, younger kids ten, twelve, fourteen are
now playing travel baseball stuff. And I was laughing about, Oh, yeah,
that's that's five hundred bucks you'll never get back. They're
like five hundred. We wish it was five hundred. You
know that they're paying twenty twenty five hundred dollars every season,
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not just for a couple of bats for your kid.
You got three or four different uniforms that you are
responsible for as the parent. You got to coordinate travel,
you got to coordinate hotel stays, you got to in
some cases travel coordinate airfare to get your kids to
some tournament in Vegas or in Dallas or whatever. And
it just seems unbelievable because how does a kid at
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that age understand the sacrifice that you're making monetarily.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
And like having contempt for them.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
I have to next year when my younger son goes
into the show choir here in Burbank, it's like it's
a big thing, Like it's the The TV show Glee
was based on this high school choir, and I told
my wife, I realized, I'm going to be spending basically
the cost of a used car every year in donating
to this program to help fund it. Like it's bananas
the amount of money. And so I have to resist
(23:27):
the urge to have contempt for them, because there's no
way that they understand that that's.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
How much money I'm giving. No, and they don't, nor
really should they like well, and.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
That goes back to the example that I did when
I put out you were talking about when I tried
to use a physical example to the kids about how
much money I made and how much money it costs
to live where we lived, and I used a quarter
for every.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Every I think it was a thousand. I think you're right.
It was a quarter for every thousand dollars I brought
in in a month, which isn't a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
No, I'm were going radio FORGOTSA.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
So I'd lay that.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Out and then I'd push these quarters over there, and
I'd push those quarters over there, and I push those
quarters over there, and I would be I would I'd
be left with like instead of fifty cents, I'd be
left with like twenty.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
This is what I.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Got left to do everything else, which includes your games,
your swing up, your movies, all the luxury eat all
that stuff. And it's I still don't know if they
get it.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
You don't think they do. I do want to say
that this always comes up, and I love this. The
Harvard Grant study was the longest longitudal study in American
history where they've look back, and the common thread that
they have with most successful business people and CEOs is
that they did chores as a kid.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
The experts that I talked to suggest that.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Bare minimum, you give some kind of an allowance to
your kid, bare minimum, so that they understand they have
a limit on their funds, and they start to work
those neurons in problem solving that as early as five,
but definitely by the time they're about ten. And then
they say that you can do like one dollar for
every year, for every week, so a ten year old
will get ten bucks a week from you in the
form of an allowance.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I'm behind that. I have a thirteen year old who
gets ten bucks a week. Yeah, but he's gonna get
a he's gonna he's got a job. He's doing great.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
And then anyway, I was looking at this study, and
this mom had this great comment where she said, my
mom always had this great line where she said, if
you're old enough to afford therapy, you're too old to
blame your parents for your problems.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I don't want to get that on a tea shot.
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