February 28, 2025 • 29 mins
Gary and Shannon begin the show by talking about President Trump and Zelensky’s meeting today which quickly escalates. Gary and Shannon also talk about former LA City Fire Chief, Kristin Crowley appealing her firing by Karen Bass, the new details in the Epstein files and latest updates on actor Gene Hackman’s death.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
App Uh wait what I said? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Or wasn't a loaded?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Oh, I didn't hear that part. I was listening to
the music. I was jamming out. I was playing with
my headphone. Sorry, how am I?
Speaker 4 (00:15):
I am?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I am well.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I had this weird moment last night where my wife's
out of town, so it's just the dog and I.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So Peter and I are hanging out. He's upstairs in
his crate.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm sleeping and had I had closed my door to
the bedroom and he's just on the other side of
the door, and the door slammed shut at about to no,
I don't know what, two thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
In the morning.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
And it's not that it scared me. It just made
me think, what just slammed my door? And I was
in a I didn't get wake up with the heart
pounding or anything like that or get that adrenaline rush
that you sometimes do.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And how terrifying for you with your wife out of town,
you had no buddy to go check on it.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Right, Hey, honey, go see what that was, but I figured, hey,
if my dog isn't reacting either, they killed him first
and I'm next.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I better. It's just, you know, whatever's about to happen
is gonna happen at the middle of the night. But
everything was fine.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I just had that weird moment of I wonder what
just closed my door.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Your dog Peter to be delightful, right, I sure love him.
He's cuddly, he's fun, he's full of life, he's socially,
he's wontful. But he can't kill anything. He couldn't kill
a rodent. That's not what your dogs. He was born
to do.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
He could kill a lizard.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I don't think he could kill a lizard.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Oh, I know he can.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
You've seen him kill a lizard.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, all he needs to do is get one, and
I know what he bite down.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I just don't think he's got it in him to
be a killer. I just don't see that happening. Okay,
he's more of a Bible killer than anything else.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That's a good reputation for him to have. He choose
through multiple Bibles in the day.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Well, welcome to Friday. It's all there, Weday, what do
you mean, where's my wife?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well, she left you, so where is she?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I don't know. She won't tell me. She went to Texas.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Oh that's nice to visit your daughter. Yeah, or the boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I mean she said it was the daughter, and the
location thing on my phone says she's she's near my daughter.
But I'm assuming they're either that or my daughter's holding
up the story for her and not telling me the truth.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
So nice when they're so close, it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Is they keep each other's secrets.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yes, she's in Texas, just saying hi, So it's nice.
She was very excited to go see my daughter. She
did this thing where they don't have a Trader Joe's
in Waco, so my wife, when she flies into Dallas
makes a point of stopping at Trader Joe's with a
one of those styrofoam coolers and then loads up on
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Trader Joe's things and takes them to Olivia.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It's funny. I was just having this conversation with my
husband because his sister lives in Hawaii and whenever she
comes out to visit their dad, she brings a suitcase
just for Trader Joe's stuff to bring it back. It's legit,
and I'm thinking what's the deal? Because Trader Joe's has
been around a very long time. Now, like it seems
like there's this new renaissance craze about Trader Joe's. Now,
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what's the beign? This is a place that's been around
for a long time. Is it just because it's becoming
more mainstream there are more locations opening up, they're getting
bigger because they've been around for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
We were lucky when we first got married, when we
were living in Sacramento. We lived in it turned out
to be old Air Force housing near one of the
Air Force bases up there in Sacramento, now defunct but
were now closed. But we lived about a half a
block away from a Trader Joe's. And it was the greatest.
It was so much fun because that was a fun
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place to shop. And we thought we were young, well,
we were young. We thought we were cool and hit
because we most of our grocery shopping was done at
Trader Joe's. Eight years ago, Yeah, many many years ago. Hi, Okay,
did you see the story about antiperspirants. The only reason
I say this because I feel like i'm sweating.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I put some on today. I did put some diater
and on today Anti. This is the first day, by
the way, this is the first day to so you
know that I got up, I showered, I did the
whole thing, the hair, the makeup, all of it before
the show. Every other day this week, I've been sitting
here in my pajamas, well, looking like a complete homeless.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Because I haven't had You haven't had to show off
for anybody. I mean, you're doing the show remotely today
and have been this week, so you haven't had to
get that stuff all tied down before you do the show.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I'm just saying, you give me crap about not being
presentable at work or not.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I never do that, Are you kidding? You?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
You make comments about other people who wear real clothes,
and you know.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And say, gosh, it would be nice to work with her.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
You know, it'd be nice to throw on a pair
of heels once in a while, or maybe something that's
not denim. I can hear your thoughts and and just
so you know, you have it really well because of
I've seen what I wore this week, and it's much
worse than I show up to work in.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
So well, I saw this article.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Although you feel like you see me homeless most of
the time. It can get worse.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I did see this article in the Washington Post that
suggested that anti persperance. Now there's a difference between the
anti persperant and deodorant, although you can combine them a
lot of times, anti perspirants should be applied to clean
dry skin bedtime because interesting your body temperature goes down,
your sweat production decreases, and that allows the active ingredients
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in an anti purseprint to plug the sweat duct which
is what prevents you from sweating obviously, but that the deodorant,
and then when it's integrated into your sweat ducts, you
wake up the next day and you're gonna sweat less.
The deodorant should be used in the morning because that's
going to be the thing that prevents you from stinking
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up the place for the rest of the day.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Man, No wonder your wife left.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, yeah, I've been doing it backwards the whole time,
so she's going to receive quite a surprise when she
comes home. That smells fresh like flowers or bourbon vanilla
or whatever the scent is that I have.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
That's what that's quite kind of deodorant you wear bourbon vanilla.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
That's lovely.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It's actually, uh, I don't know what. I don't know
what flavor it is or what sounds really nice. Well,
thank you good. Well, maybe one of these days you
come back to work, I'll let you take a good whiff.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
No, so not that good. Not that good.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think about it right there, Okay, top of the hour.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
By the way, we do expect to have a news
conference with President Zelenski and President Trump because Zelenski's in
town to sign this big minerals deal.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Big.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
The whole idea is we the United States, are going
to be clawing back or getting some return on our
investment in Ukraine, which has been to the tune of
hundreds of billions of dollars in military aid. And this
agreement will apparently bring us some money in the future
and guarantee some of the security alliances perhaps that we
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have with Ukraine. So we'll hear that, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
The Epstein files that were supposed to be released were
We were right about that yesterday. We already knew most
of what was in here. There were no bombshells. It
was all a dog and pony show for not We
will get into that also the investigation into Gene Hackman.
We've got an update on the two live dogs that
were found. And AI has become a real issue. My
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mom going on she's videoing. Okay. AI has become an issue,
as we have documented repeatedly on this show, and now
it's taking our jobs and we have proof our own
voices have been used to weaponize well, our voices have
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been used as weapons.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Do you have the reaction I did, which is O s. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah. My reaction to this was I am now completely irrelevant.
I could fall into the abyss and it would be
no problem. Although it did not sound like it sounded
like you more than it sounded like me.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I thought, well, that's interesting. I had the same I
had the same conclusion. But there's some telltale signs that
it was AI and not of anyway. Right, go give
your mom a kiss for me.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I'm not going to kiss her for you. That's weird. Mom.
Gari says he wants to kiss you, So there you go.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Actually that's not exactly what she says. Okay, she accepts,
all right, it's okay. Well it is official.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Now former LA Fire chief Kristin Crowley has taken the
step of appealing Mayor Karen Bass's decision to can her
butt over the handling of the fires in the Pacific
palisis quick catchup.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
LA Fire Chief Kristin Crowley got out in front of
the cameras in Los Angeles while the fires were still
burning to lay out City Hall and LA Mayor Karen
Bass saying we are underfunded, we were failed by the city,
I believe were her words, and it was an opening
salvo in this fight between Kristin Crowley and Mayor Karen
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Bass that continues and may come to a head tonight
at five pm when the City Council will meet to
decide the fate of Kristin Crowley. This is an appeal
that would require ten of fifteen City council members to
okay Kristin Crowley being reinstated. I just want to say,
right out of the gate as we get into this conversation,
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as much as I have hated on Mayor Karen Bass,
or maybe not hated on her, but just pointed out
that she is a political heavyweight. She's gotten to where
she is for a number of reasons. One of those
at the top of the list is that she is cutthroat.
You have to do what Karen Bass says, and that
is the end of the conversation. She does not have
a lot of friends because of her political will and
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because of that and because she lacked any sort of
guts it took to come out and say, you know what,
I did mess up. I did plan this visit to
Africa out of the country when we knew the forecast
was going to be awful for fire weather. When she
came back, she just continued to shift the blame. That's
why I've kind of given her a hard time. But
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make no mistake, Kristin Crowley should not be the fire
chief of the La Fire Department.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
So you mentioned that tonight was supposed to be that meeting.
They have pushed it to Tuesday. Part of the reason
was Monica Rodriguez, who is a council member who has
said she wants Crowley reinstated, is not even going to
be there today and she had an excused absence. Marquise
Harris Dawson, the chair of the city council, had approved
that absence, and Monica Rodriguez was saying, listen, I'm one
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of the loudest voices who wants to see Kristin Crowley reinstated,
you can't hold a meeting when I'm not there, so
they did reschedule it to take place on Tuesday. This
is what Councilwoman Rodriguez said about the possibility. This was
before she knew that Crowley was going to appeal the decision,
but she said, we have to have a city council
wide hearing about the firing.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I think having a hearing on it presents the public
with the facts of what transpired, what the truth is
in terms of the communications, and I want people to
have faith in their fire department's response.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Listen, we only know of two, we know a two
council members that have said that they would. I mean,
at least first Blush would vote to reinstate the chief.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
He doesn't have the votes. She doesn't have the votes. Now.
The whole five o'clock meeting tonight was called by Marquise
Harris Dolson, which he has a lot of weight on
this city Council and he is a big fan of
Karen Basses. When I say that, I say it tongue
in cheek because you have to be kind of a fan.
You got to choose one camp or the other. Right
and right now, despite Karen Bass and all the knocks
she's taken, it's still a stronger camp to be a
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part of than Kristin Crowley's. You get no political capital
being in Kristin Crowley's camp right now, very little. You
can kind of have a knock on the mayor to
push yourself up the ladder a little bit, but not
so much as to stand in the camp of a
failed fire chief. I say that because Kristin Crowley should
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never have had to have that cut to her department.
I mean, I know that we have all these new
hires for various departments, whether it's police or fire, what
have you. That makes sense, that make people feel good.
It's a woman, it's somebody who not in the leadership structure,
blah blah blah blah blah. But it also needs to
be a position of power where you get things done.
And I think that that's why the unions are very powerful,
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because they do tend to get things done. But it
used to be that the chief and the union were
in lockstep to have that power over City Hall to
make sure that they do have the funding to make
sure that those cuts don't happen, and Kristin Crowley to
some degree failed that to the point of those cuts
happening before the fires erupted.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
That is interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
The other question I have about this situation is this
fire's period is going to be a massive issue when
Karen Bass comes up for reelection, and it's going to
be one thing that whoever runs against her is just
going to hammer her with. Is the reaction to preparation
for the Palace Age fire and this specific issue of
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firing the fire chief the way that she did and
the way she made it appear like she was passing
the buck for a lot of people. I think this
is going to be the massive issue that she's going
to be hammered with for reelection. And I listen, even
if you agree with the decision, you can't ignore the
fact that she has shoveled a lot of responsibility onto
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the fire chief here. Even the simple thing of well,
the fire chief never called me to tell me that
the winds were going to be really bad. I mean,
that was a really bad look. And she has stuck
by that line.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
We knew we didn't get a call from the fire chief,
and we were talking about it two days before those
fires ticked off. Like we were talking about how this forecast.
We get these forecasts all the time, and do we
go after local media for making too much out of
a forecast, whether it's the cyber blast or the atmospheric river,
what have you. And we said, this forecast seems very serious.
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This is not a boy cried wolf. This is going
to be very dangerous this week for fire conditions. You
and I said that two days before that happened.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well, and the morning of the fire, this was not
us being prescient or to your point, not being over dramatic.
When we got word that there was fire in the
hills above the Palisades, we both said, Okay, here it goes.
This is going to be something very serious unless they
can put it out right away. And lo and behold
it was turned out to be that day, combined with
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the Eton fire, of course, one of the worst natural
disasters we've seen in the state ever.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
They were both at fault. Let's make no mistake.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, but it's too bad. The fire chief can't come
in and fire the mayor.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
No, the fire chief has zero power, Like it's never
been more powerful as she was when she got out
and laid the mayor and city hall out in front
of the cameras while the fires were still burning. That
was the peak, the pinnacle of her power. She never
hear the words Kristin Crowley ever again.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
She played her yards that day exactly up next the
Epstein files that were released yesterday. Two problems with it.
The first is the big one. They turn out to
be a big, flat nothing. And the second one, the
more I look at it, that image of those influencers
of social media influencers who got the binders at the
White House bad luck.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
And I'll explain why.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
The idea of Tim Conway Junior hosting a potluck or
even just going to a potluck is very comical. The
idea that Tim Conway Junior would eat food where he
did not know the chain of custody of said food
would never happen.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I know, I love, but that's what That's what makes
them great, what makes them great. He's willing to do
adventurous things like that.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
I'm gary, We're bourbons vanillgudering because I'm better than everyone else.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
We're not gonna do that anymore, guys. That was a fun.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Thirsty My wife is gone, so I want to make
out with Shannon's mom no, it's also not what what's said.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Come on, Barny, guys really appreciate your vocabulary. Gary, Can
you please redefine that word I believe you used earlier. Prescient, prescient,
trying to pressure somebody. No, No, I love that word.
If it's real, thanks, great day.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It is real.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Just means to know something before it happens, like being
psychic prescient.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Like saying I have a feeling that I'm gonna hit
no traffic on my drive back to LA today.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Oh that well, there are to the I guarantee you
there will be places where you do not hit track.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Hopeful versus prescient. So the Epstein files release was much
ado about nothing, as we so presciently predicted.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Excellent point.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
The release of flight logs in Jeffrey Epstein's contact list
by the Attorney General Pam Bondy has fallen short of expectations.
It turns out those binders full of women, not Mitt
Romney's but Pam Pam Bondies in Washington, held up by
conservative influencers, those were filled with a lot of blank pages,
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or the pages that did have information on them. We've
already heard ninety nine point three percent of that information yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Marsha Blackburn, the Senator out of Tennessee, is the one
is one person who has helped push this issue along
and wrote a letter to Cash Bettel, the director of
the FBI, and Pam Bondy, Attorney General, trying to get
them to put these files out. And she was interviewed
today about this.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
I think having a hearing on it.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Wow, that's not her. This is going to be her.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
This is about justice for two hundred and fifty four
victims we know of so far. And when she was asked, well,
what did you think about what came out yesterday, she said, listen,
it wasn't what we thought it was going to be,
but it was a good first step because we know
that Pam Bondy is dead to get getting the information out.
And we know that because she wrote a letter to
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her underling, I mean as attorney general.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
The FBI director works for her.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
She wrote a letter to Cash Btel that said quote
late yesterday, so that would be Wednesday. I learned from
a source that the FBI Field Office in New York
is in possession of thousands of pages of documents related
to the investigation and indictment of Epstein.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And despite my.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Repeated requests, the FBI never disclosed the existence of these files,
and she gave cash Betel until eight o'clock this morning
to turn over all records, all documents, all audio and
video recordings, any materials related to Epstein and his clients,
regardless of how such information was obtained. She said, there
will be no withholdings or limitations to my or your access.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
There are some people that were very upset about this
because they were expecting to see names like Hillary Clinton
served up on a silver alt right platter with all
of the evidence that she engaged in a child sex
ring out of a pizza parlor. I mean, people had
high hopes for this, and there was something that just
didn't ring true when it came to where will there
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be meat in these files? It was the way that
Pam Bondi was describing what was going to be released
in interviews. There was no there there.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Well, and the more I saw this and I was
trying to read up on it yesterday afternoon in terms
of maybe we missed something, maybe there was a big
document dump that we didn't see. It never materialized in
the way that we were expecting or the way that
some people wanted but I kept seeing that image of
a handful of these social media influencers with the bible,
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the binder that said Epstein Files Phase one, and they're
holding them up like this really a weird trophy, and
they got big old grins on their face because they're
going to be able to post this on their social
media account and get all these followers and a lot
of traffic. But let's not forget the heart of this
case is this guy who victimized hundreds of underage girls.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Hundreds well, and it wasn't just him. It was the
microcosm town of people that he had around him where
this was okay, I mean, we have the same thing
with Diddy, right. It wasn't just the one monster. It's
all of the people around them that that you know,
work for them, work in the homes, take them to
and fro like all the people that look the other way.
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I mean, like I always say, it's like I can
believe in one monster, it's the people that support the monster.
That's always the saddest part to me. Whether it's for
money or desperation, or fame or sex or what have you,
or to save face it it's even grosser than acknowledging
that yes, there are monsters in the world. There were
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two hundred and fifty four names that were entirely redacted.
They were described as massuses. Two hundred and fifty four massuses.
Many of the boldface names associated with Epstein came out
in twenty fifteen when Goker published that Black Book of
Names Numbers Addresses. That list included retail magnet Leslie Wexner,
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private equity mogul Leon Black, Microsoft's Bill Gates, venture capitalist
Reed Hoffman. All of those men have said they regretted
their association with Epstein. And it's true. I mean, rich
people all run in the same circles. It doesn't mean
you're best friends with them all the time. Some of
these people were. I mean, it had been long known
that Trump and Clinton, Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew Kevin Spacey
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were more than just friendly circle dwellers with this guy.
That some of those people had gone on Epstein's private planes,
which makes you a little bit more susceptible to knowing
exactly what that guy is.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Hey, right now, the White House is playing the video
of this meeting with Donald Trump and Vladimir Zelensky inside
the seated press conference that they're doing just based on
the body language.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
It's not good your ment.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Stuff courting care.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Of course, we want to stop the war, but.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
They're saying, you don't want to say to you, I
want to see guarantee because you'll get a ceasefire faster
than any gree Let's cow.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Were people about just fire one day? Seen That wasn't
with me.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
That wasn't with me. That was with a guy named Biden,
who was not a smart person. That was that was
with Obama. Excuse me, that was with Obama, who gave
you sheets and I gave you javelins. I gave you
the javelins to take out all those tanks. Obama gave
you sheets. In fact, this statement is Obama gave sheets
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and Trump gave javelins. You got to be more thankful
because let me tell you, you don't have the cards. With us,
you have the cards, but without us, you don't have
any card.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Wow. Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Trump and Vance apparently called Zelenski disrespectful, and you can
kind of see that that's the attitude. You need to
be more thankful. You need to respect us. We've given
you X, Y and Z. We've given you more than
the other guys have given you come in here with
a little bit of respect. You can tell that that's
the feeling going on right now.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
They are supposed to do the two podium news conference
coming up at ten o'clock, so we'll see if that
actually starts, and if it does, well, that's the.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Most contentious Oval Office meeting I've heard.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Well ever remember the only other time it wasn't with
another head of state, but when Chuck Schumer and Nancy
Pelosi were in the office with Trump and Mike Pence,
and that devolved into the shouting match, specifically about what
was going on in Congress at the time.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
But I love it when my brain just chooses not
to remember things as a protection.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, at the top of the hour again is supposedly
President Trump and President Zelenski are going to hold a
news conference. We'll see if things have calmed down at
all or if it picks back up. They are the
White House feed is replaying the meeting, and they're just
getting into some of the disagreements back and forth, at
least about exchange, and they're talking about the Minerals Deal
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that the President's Lenski came to the United States to sign,
giving the United States some of the profits basically of
the rare earth minerals that exist in Ukraine, and once
they sell them, some of that money comes back to
the United States in exchange for the ongoing military assistance
that we would give.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Several of Gene Hackman's items were taken during a search
of the home in Santa Fe, New Mexico, where his
body and his wife. His wife's body and their dog's
body was found this week there in New Mexico. According
to police documents, deputies who conducted the search at their
home took a thyroid medication, some thailenal diled thaiazem, which
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is a calcium blocker used to treat high blood pressure
and other heart related issues. Cops, they say, also took
records from my Quest, a healthcare website used to check
test results, schedule appointments, keep track of one's health history.
A twenty twenty five calendar was taken and two cell
phones as well. The investigation is continuing. Gas leak is
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not off the table, despite the fact that police, fire
and the gas company said there's no evidence of a
gas leak. That still everything's on the table, shall we say,
As this investigation continues. They say it's suspicious enough for
them to continue this investigation.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Well, and I think the suspicion is that they were
there for a certain amount of time. I mean, for me,
that would be suspicious. The dog, the German shepherd that
was also found dead, would be suspicious simply because I
had heard a report. I haven't been able to confirm
it anywhere, but I heard a report that the dog
was in a crate in the closet.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Kind of a weird thing, but hey, whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
And if the dog died from starvation, that would also
indicate that the bodies were there for a certain amount
of time. We saw that from the condition of the
bodies that the deputy noted that they appeared to have
been mummified. I think the word you used the other
day was desiccated.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
But remember yesterday we found out at least the Internet
told us that the mummification of the hands, which is
what they found with her, can happen with a day,
A few days, can start in a few days to
a week, right, Yeah, And this was a couple that
kept to themselves. It's not out of it. It's not
like they were social butterflies, right. This was probably a
couple that didn't leave home a lot in that crate,
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the dog crate. Was it open or closed. I had
a dog that slept in his crate, her crate every night,
voluntarily open door, but still slept in the crate. Yah,
So there's that too, right.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, It's just it's one of those uncomfortable things. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
And the family has said, like you said, the family
believed that this may have been some sort of toxic
fumes in the in the house, carbon monoxide or gas
or whatever, the that had something happened and they died,
and then the fumes dissipate by the time the gas
company gets there. There's no you can't smell it all
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that sort of thing. That's all still a possibility.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
It's not to say that I have a suspicion that
this was done by somebody. It's just the weirdest series
of events, a very tragic series of events that led
to the deaths of these two people. And not that
even you could say that it was preventable necessarily.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Well, it wouldn't be odd if it was just Gene
Hackman at ninety five years old, found dead in his home.
He had fallen and he's dead. It wouldn't be weird.
But the wife's just sixty three years old. And the
bottle of pills, what pills were those? How many were ingested?
Were any ingested? Were they ingested by anybody else in
the house. It's all going to center around those pills.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Uh yeah, And it's going to be a time before
we figure out did that Like you know, we've heard
the other pills that they've taken, the talent old, the
thyroid pills, things like that, the innocuous stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
The fact that those haven't been little and maybe those
maybe that's what it was. Maybe she was going and
taking a talentol or a thyroid pill or what have
you and collapsed from the from no, I mean just
collapse because of the carbon monoxide poisoning or what have
you and the bottle spills.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
App Uh wait what I said? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Or wasn't a loaded?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Oh, I didn't hear that part. I was listening to
the music. I was jamming out. I was playing with
my headphone. Sorry, how am I?
Speaker 4 (00:15):
I am?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I am well.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I had this weird moment last night where my wife's
out of town, so it's just the dog and I.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So Peter and I are hanging out. He's upstairs in
his crate.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm sleeping and had I had closed my door to
the bedroom and he's just on the other side of
the door, and the door slammed shut at about to no,
I don't know what, two thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
In the morning.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
And it's not that it scared me. It just made
me think, what just slammed my door? And I was
in a I didn't get wake up with the heart
pounding or anything like that or get that adrenaline rush
that you sometimes do.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And how terrifying for you with your wife out of town,
you had no buddy to go check on it.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Right, Hey, honey, go see what that was, but I figured, hey,
if my dog isn't reacting either, they killed him first
and I'm next.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I better. It's just, you know, whatever's about to happen
is gonna happen at the middle of the night. But
everything was fine.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I just had that weird moment of I wonder what
just closed my door.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Your dog Peter to be delightful, right, I sure love him.
He's cuddly, he's fun, he's full of life, he's socially,
he's wontful. But he can't kill anything. He couldn't kill
a rodent. That's not what your dogs. He was born
to do.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
He could kill a lizard.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I don't think he could kill a lizard.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Oh, I know he can.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
You've seen him kill a lizard.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, all he needs to do is get one, and
I know what he bite down.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I just don't think he's got it in him to
be a killer. I just don't see that happening. Okay,
he's more of a Bible killer than anything else.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That's a good reputation for him to have. He choose
through multiple Bibles in the day.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Well, welcome to Friday. It's all there, Weday, what do
you mean, where's my wife?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well, she left you, so where is she?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I don't know. She won't tell me. She went to Texas.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Oh that's nice to visit your daughter. Yeah, or the boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I mean she said it was the daughter, and the
location thing on my phone says she's she's near my daughter.
But I'm assuming they're either that or my daughter's holding
up the story for her and not telling me the truth.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
So nice when they're so close, it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Is they keep each other's secrets.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yes, she's in Texas, just saying hi, So it's nice.
She was very excited to go see my daughter. She
did this thing where they don't have a Trader Joe's
in Waco, so my wife, when she flies into Dallas
makes a point of stopping at Trader Joe's with a
one of those styrofoam coolers and then loads up on
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Trader Joe's things and takes them to Olivia.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It's funny. I was just having this conversation with my
husband because his sister lives in Hawaii and whenever she
comes out to visit their dad, she brings a suitcase
just for Trader Joe's stuff to bring it back. It's legit,
and I'm thinking what's the deal? Because Trader Joe's has
been around a very long time. Now, like it seems
like there's this new renaissance craze about Trader Joe's. Now,
(03:43):
what's the beign? This is a place that's been around
for a long time. Is it just because it's becoming
more mainstream there are more locations opening up, they're getting
bigger because they've been around for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
We were lucky when we first got married, when we
were living in Sacramento. We lived in it turned out
to be old Air Force housing near one of the
Air Force bases up there in Sacramento, now defunct but
were now closed. But we lived about a half a
block away from a Trader Joe's. And it was the greatest.
It was so much fun because that was a fun
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place to shop. And we thought we were young, well,
we were young. We thought we were cool and hit
because we most of our grocery shopping was done at
Trader Joe's. Eight years ago, Yeah, many many years ago. Hi, Okay,
did you see the story about antiperspirants. The only reason
I say this because I feel like i'm sweating.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I put some on today. I did put some diater
and on today Anti. This is the first day, by
the way, this is the first day to so you
know that I got up, I showered, I did the
whole thing, the hair, the makeup, all of it before
the show. Every other day this week, I've been sitting
here in my pajamas, well, looking like a complete homeless.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Because I haven't had You haven't had to show off
for anybody. I mean, you're doing the show remotely today
and have been this week, so you haven't had to
get that stuff all tied down before you do the show.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I'm just saying, you give me crap about not being
presentable at work or not.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I never do that, Are you kidding? You?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
You make comments about other people who wear real clothes,
and you know.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And say, gosh, it would be nice to work with her.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
You know, it'd be nice to throw on a pair
of heels once in a while, or maybe something that's
not denim. I can hear your thoughts and and just
so you know, you have it really well because of
I've seen what I wore this week, and it's much
worse than I show up to work in.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
So well, I saw this article.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Although you feel like you see me homeless most of
the time. It can get worse.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I did see this article in the Washington Post that
suggested that anti persperance. Now there's a difference between the
anti persperant and deodorant, although you can combine them a
lot of times, anti perspirants should be applied to clean
dry skin bedtime because interesting your body temperature goes down,
your sweat production decreases, and that allows the active ingredients
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in an anti purseprint to plug the sweat duct which
is what prevents you from sweating obviously, but that the deodorant,
and then when it's integrated into your sweat ducts, you
wake up the next day and you're gonna sweat less.
The deodorant should be used in the morning because that's
going to be the thing that prevents you from stinking
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up the place for the rest of the day.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Man, No wonder your wife left.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, yeah, I've been doing it backwards the whole time,
so she's going to receive quite a surprise when she
comes home. That smells fresh like flowers or bourbon vanilla
or whatever the scent is that I have.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
That's what that's quite kind of deodorant you wear bourbon vanilla.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
That's lovely.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It's actually, uh, I don't know what. I don't know
what flavor it is or what sounds really nice. Well,
thank you good. Well, maybe one of these days you
come back to work, I'll let you take a good whiff.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
No, so not that good. Not that good.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think about it right there, Okay, top of the hour.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
By the way, we do expect to have a news
conference with President Zelenski and President Trump because Zelenski's in
town to sign this big minerals deal.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Big.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
The whole idea is we the United States, are going
to be clawing back or getting some return on our
investment in Ukraine, which has been to the tune of
hundreds of billions of dollars in military aid. And this
agreement will apparently bring us some money in the future
and guarantee some of the security alliances perhaps that we
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have with Ukraine. So we'll hear that, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
The Epstein files that were supposed to be released were
We were right about that yesterday. We already knew most
of what was in here. There were no bombshells. It
was all a dog and pony show for not We
will get into that also the investigation into Gene Hackman.
We've got an update on the two live dogs that
were found. And AI has become a real issue. My
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mom going on she's videoing. Okay. AI has become an issue,
as we have documented repeatedly on this show, and now
it's taking our jobs and we have proof our own
voices have been used to weaponize well, our voices have
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been used as weapons.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Do you have the reaction I did, which is O s. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah. My reaction to this was I am now completely irrelevant.
I could fall into the abyss and it would be
no problem. Although it did not sound like it sounded
like you more than it sounded like me.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I thought, well, that's interesting. I had the same I
had the same conclusion. But there's some telltale signs that
it was AI and not of anyway. Right, go give
your mom a kiss for me.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I'm not going to kiss her for you. That's weird. Mom.
Gari says he wants to kiss you, So there you go.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Actually that's not exactly what she says. Okay, she accepts,
all right, it's okay. Well it is official.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Now former LA Fire chief Kristin Crowley has taken the
step of appealing Mayor Karen Bass's decision to can her
butt over the handling of the fires in the Pacific
palisis quick catchup.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
LA Fire Chief Kristin Crowley got out in front of
the cameras in Los Angeles while the fires were still
burning to lay out City Hall and LA Mayor Karen
Bass saying we are underfunded, we were failed by the city,
I believe were her words, and it was an opening
salvo in this fight between Kristin Crowley and Mayor Karen
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Bass that continues and may come to a head tonight
at five pm when the City Council will meet to
decide the fate of Kristin Crowley. This is an appeal
that would require ten of fifteen City council members to
okay Kristin Crowley being reinstated. I just want to say,
right out of the gate as we get into this conversation,
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as much as I have hated on Mayor Karen Bass,
or maybe not hated on her, but just pointed out
that she is a political heavyweight. She's gotten to where
she is for a number of reasons. One of those
at the top of the list is that she is cutthroat.
You have to do what Karen Bass says, and that
is the end of the conversation. She does not have
a lot of friends because of her political will and
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because of that and because she lacked any sort of
guts it took to come out and say, you know what,
I did mess up. I did plan this visit to
Africa out of the country when we knew the forecast
was going to be awful for fire weather. When she
came back, she just continued to shift the blame. That's
why I've kind of given her a hard time. But
(11:03):
make no mistake, Kristin Crowley should not be the fire
chief of the La Fire Department.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
So you mentioned that tonight was supposed to be that meeting.
They have pushed it to Tuesday. Part of the reason
was Monica Rodriguez, who is a council member who has
said she wants Crowley reinstated, is not even going to
be there today and she had an excused absence. Marquise
Harris Dawson, the chair of the city council, had approved
that absence, and Monica Rodriguez was saying, listen, I'm one
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of the loudest voices who wants to see Kristin Crowley reinstated,
you can't hold a meeting when I'm not there, so
they did reschedule it to take place on Tuesday. This
is what Councilwoman Rodriguez said about the possibility. This was
before she knew that Crowley was going to appeal the decision,
but she said, we have to have a city council
wide hearing about the firing.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I think having a hearing on it presents the public
with the facts of what transpired, what the truth is
in terms of the communications, and I want people to
have faith in their fire department's response.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Listen, we only know of two, we know a two
council members that have said that they would. I mean,
at least first Blush would vote to reinstate the chief.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
He doesn't have the votes. She doesn't have the votes. Now.
The whole five o'clock meeting tonight was called by Marquise
Harris Dolson, which he has a lot of weight on
this city Council and he is a big fan of
Karen Basses. When I say that, I say it tongue
in cheek because you have to be kind of a fan.
You got to choose one camp or the other. Right
and right now, despite Karen Bass and all the knocks
she's taken, it's still a stronger camp to be a
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part of than Kristin Crowley's. You get no political capital
being in Kristin Crowley's camp right now, very little. You
can kind of have a knock on the mayor to
push yourself up the ladder a little bit, but not
so much as to stand in the camp of a
failed fire chief. I say that because Kristin Crowley should
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never have had to have that cut to her department.
I mean, I know that we have all these new
hires for various departments, whether it's police or fire, what
have you. That makes sense, that make people feel good.
It's a woman, it's somebody who not in the leadership structure,
blah blah blah blah blah. But it also needs to
be a position of power where you get things done.
And I think that that's why the unions are very powerful,
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because they do tend to get things done. But it
used to be that the chief and the union were
in lockstep to have that power over City Hall to
make sure that they do have the funding to make
sure that those cuts don't happen, and Kristin Crowley to
some degree failed that to the point of those cuts
happening before the fires erupted.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
That is interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
The other question I have about this situation is this
fire's period is going to be a massive issue when
Karen Bass comes up for reelection, and it's going to
be one thing that whoever runs against her is just
going to hammer her with. Is the reaction to preparation
for the Palace Age fire and this specific issue of
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firing the fire chief the way that she did and
the way she made it appear like she was passing
the buck for a lot of people. I think this
is going to be the massive issue that she's going
to be hammered with for reelection. And I listen, even
if you agree with the decision, you can't ignore the
fact that she has shoveled a lot of responsibility onto
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the fire chief here. Even the simple thing of well,
the fire chief never called me to tell me that
the winds were going to be really bad. I mean,
that was a really bad look. And she has stuck
by that line.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
We knew we didn't get a call from the fire chief,
and we were talking about it two days before those
fires ticked off. Like we were talking about how this forecast.
We get these forecasts all the time, and do we
go after local media for making too much out of
a forecast, whether it's the cyber blast or the atmospheric river,
what have you. And we said, this forecast seems very serious.
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This is not a boy cried wolf. This is going
to be very dangerous this week for fire conditions. You
and I said that two days before that happened.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well, and the morning of the fire, this was not
us being prescient or to your point, not being over dramatic.
When we got word that there was fire in the
hills above the Palisades, we both said, Okay, here it goes.
This is going to be something very serious unless they
can put it out right away. And lo and behold
it was turned out to be that day, combined with
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the Eton fire, of course, one of the worst natural
disasters we've seen in the state ever.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
They were both at fault. Let's make no mistake.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, but it's too bad. The fire chief can't come
in and fire the mayor.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
No, the fire chief has zero power, Like it's never
been more powerful as she was when she got out
and laid the mayor and city hall out in front
of the cameras while the fires were still burning. That
was the peak, the pinnacle of her power. She never
hear the words Kristin Crowley ever again.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
She played her yards that day exactly up next the
Epstein files that were released yesterday. Two problems with it.
The first is the big one. They turn out to
be a big, flat nothing. And the second one, the
more I look at it, that image of those influencers
of social media influencers who got the binders at the
White House bad luck.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
And I'll explain why.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
The idea of Tim Conway Junior hosting a potluck or
even just going to a potluck is very comical. The
idea that Tim Conway Junior would eat food where he
did not know the chain of custody of said food
would never happen.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I know, I love, but that's what That's what makes
them great, what makes them great. He's willing to do
adventurous things like that.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
I'm gary, We're bourbons vanillgudering because I'm better than everyone else.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
We're not gonna do that anymore, guys. That was a fun.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Thirsty My wife is gone, so I want to make
out with Shannon's mom no, it's also not what what's said.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Come on, Barny, guys really appreciate your vocabulary. Gary, Can
you please redefine that word I believe you used earlier. Prescient, prescient,
trying to pressure somebody. No, No, I love that word.
If it's real, thanks, great day.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It is real.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Just means to know something before it happens, like being
psychic prescient.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Like saying I have a feeling that I'm gonna hit
no traffic on my drive back to LA today.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Oh that well, there are to the I guarantee you
there will be places where you do not hit track.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Hopeful versus prescient. So the Epstein files release was much
ado about nothing, as we so presciently predicted.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Excellent point.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
The release of flight logs in Jeffrey Epstein's contact list
by the Attorney General Pam Bondy has fallen short of expectations.
It turns out those binders full of women, not Mitt
Romney's but Pam Pam Bondies in Washington, held up by
conservative influencers, those were filled with a lot of blank pages,
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or the pages that did have information on them. We've
already heard ninety nine point three percent of that information yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Marsha Blackburn, the Senator out of Tennessee, is the one
is one person who has helped push this issue along
and wrote a letter to Cash Bettel, the director of
the FBI, and Pam Bondy, Attorney General, trying to get
them to put these files out. And she was interviewed
today about this.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
I think having a hearing on it.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Wow, that's not her. This is going to be her.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
This is about justice for two hundred and fifty four
victims we know of so far. And when she was asked, well,
what did you think about what came out yesterday, she said, listen,
it wasn't what we thought it was going to be,
but it was a good first step because we know
that Pam Bondy is dead to get getting the information out.
And we know that because she wrote a letter to
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her underling, I mean as attorney general.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
The FBI director works for her.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
She wrote a letter to Cash Btel that said quote
late yesterday, so that would be Wednesday. I learned from
a source that the FBI Field Office in New York
is in possession of thousands of pages of documents related
to the investigation and indictment of Epstein.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And despite my.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Repeated requests, the FBI never disclosed the existence of these files,
and she gave cash Betel until eight o'clock this morning
to turn over all records, all documents, all audio and
video recordings, any materials related to Epstein and his clients,
regardless of how such information was obtained. She said, there
will be no withholdings or limitations to my or your access.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
There are some people that were very upset about this
because they were expecting to see names like Hillary Clinton
served up on a silver alt right platter with all
of the evidence that she engaged in a child sex
ring out of a pizza parlor. I mean, people had
high hopes for this, and there was something that just
didn't ring true when it came to where will there
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be meat in these files? It was the way that
Pam Bondi was describing what was going to be released
in interviews. There was no there there.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Well, and the more I saw this and I was
trying to read up on it yesterday afternoon in terms
of maybe we missed something, maybe there was a big
document dump that we didn't see. It never materialized in
the way that we were expecting or the way that
some people wanted but I kept seeing that image of
a handful of these social media influencers with the bible,
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the binder that said Epstein Files Phase one, and they're
holding them up like this really a weird trophy, and
they got big old grins on their face because they're
going to be able to post this on their social
media account and get all these followers and a lot
of traffic. But let's not forget the heart of this
case is this guy who victimized hundreds of underage girls.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Hundreds well, and it wasn't just him. It was the
microcosm town of people that he had around him where
this was okay, I mean, we have the same thing
with Diddy, right. It wasn't just the one monster. It's
all of the people around them that that you know,
work for them, work in the homes, take them to
and fro like all the people that look the other way.
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I mean, like I always say, it's like I can
believe in one monster, it's the people that support the monster.
That's always the saddest part to me. Whether it's for
money or desperation, or fame or sex or what have you,
or to save face it it's even grosser than acknowledging
that yes, there are monsters in the world. There were
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two hundred and fifty four names that were entirely redacted.
They were described as massuses. Two hundred and fifty four massuses.
Many of the boldface names associated with Epstein came out
in twenty fifteen when Goker published that Black Book of
Names Numbers Addresses. That list included retail magnet Leslie Wexner,
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private equity mogul Leon Black, Microsoft's Bill Gates, venture capitalist
Reed Hoffman. All of those men have said they regretted
their association with Epstein. And it's true. I mean, rich
people all run in the same circles. It doesn't mean
you're best friends with them all the time. Some of
these people were. I mean, it had been long known
that Trump and Clinton, Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew Kevin Spacey
(22:32):
were more than just friendly circle dwellers with this guy.
That some of those people had gone on Epstein's private planes,
which makes you a little bit more susceptible to knowing
exactly what that guy is.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Hey, right now, the White House is playing the video
of this meeting with Donald Trump and Vladimir Zelensky inside
the seated press conference that they're doing just based on
the body language.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
It's not good your ment.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Stuff courting care.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Of course, we want to stop the war, but.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
They're saying, you don't want to say to you, I
want to see guarantee because you'll get a ceasefire faster
than any gree Let's cow.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Were people about just fire one day? Seen That wasn't
with me.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
That wasn't with me. That was with a guy named Biden,
who was not a smart person. That was that was
with Obama. Excuse me, that was with Obama, who gave
you sheets and I gave you javelins. I gave you
the javelins to take out all those tanks. Obama gave
you sheets. In fact, this statement is Obama gave sheets
(23:34):
and Trump gave javelins. You got to be more thankful
because let me tell you, you don't have the cards. With us,
you have the cards, but without us, you don't have
any card.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Wow. Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Trump and Vance apparently called Zelenski disrespectful, and you can
kind of see that that's the attitude. You need to
be more thankful. You need to respect us. We've given
you X, Y and Z. We've given you more than
the other guys have given you come in here with
a little bit of respect. You can tell that that's
the feeling going on right now.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
They are supposed to do the two podium news conference
coming up at ten o'clock, so we'll see if that
actually starts, and if it does, well, that's the.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Most contentious Oval Office meeting I've heard.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Well ever remember the only other time it wasn't with
another head of state, but when Chuck Schumer and Nancy
Pelosi were in the office with Trump and Mike Pence,
and that devolved into the shouting match, specifically about what
was going on in Congress at the time.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
But I love it when my brain just chooses not
to remember things as a protection.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, at the top of the hour again is supposedly
President Trump and President Zelenski are going to hold a
news conference. We'll see if things have calmed down at
all or if it picks back up. They are the
White House feed is replaying the meeting, and they're just
getting into some of the disagreements back and forth, at
least about exchange, and they're talking about the Minerals Deal
(24:58):
that the President's Lenski came to the United States to sign,
giving the United States some of the profits basically of
the rare earth minerals that exist in Ukraine, and once
they sell them, some of that money comes back to
the United States in exchange for the ongoing military assistance
that we would give.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Several of Gene Hackman's items were taken during a search
of the home in Santa Fe, New Mexico, where his
body and his wife. His wife's body and their dog's
body was found this week there in New Mexico. According
to police documents, deputies who conducted the search at their
home took a thyroid medication, some thailenal diled thaiazem, which
(25:40):
is a calcium blocker used to treat high blood pressure
and other heart related issues. Cops, they say, also took
records from my Quest, a healthcare website used to check
test results, schedule appointments, keep track of one's health history.
A twenty twenty five calendar was taken and two cell
phones as well. The investigation is continuing. Gas leak is
(26:04):
not off the table, despite the fact that police, fire
and the gas company said there's no evidence of a
gas leak. That still everything's on the table, shall we say,
As this investigation continues. They say it's suspicious enough for
them to continue this investigation.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Well, and I think the suspicion is that they were
there for a certain amount of time. I mean, for me,
that would be suspicious. The dog, the German shepherd that
was also found dead, would be suspicious simply because I
had heard a report. I haven't been able to confirm
it anywhere, but I heard a report that the dog
was in a crate in the closet.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Kind of a weird thing, but hey, whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
And if the dog died from starvation, that would also
indicate that the bodies were there for a certain amount
of time. We saw that from the condition of the
bodies that the deputy noted that they appeared to have
been mummified. I think the word you used the other
day was desiccated.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
But remember yesterday we found out at least the Internet
told us that the mummification of the hands, which is
what they found with her, can happen with a day,
A few days, can start in a few days to
a week, right, Yeah, And this was a couple that
kept to themselves. It's not out of it. It's not
like they were social butterflies, right. This was probably a
couple that didn't leave home a lot in that crate,
(27:18):
the dog crate. Was it open or closed. I had
a dog that slept in his crate, her crate every night,
voluntarily open door, but still slept in the crate. Yah,
So there's that too, right.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, It's just it's one of those uncomfortable things. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
And the family has said, like you said, the family
believed that this may have been some sort of toxic
fumes in the in the house, carbon monoxide or gas
or whatever, the that had something happened and they died,
and then the fumes dissipate by the time the gas
company gets there. There's no you can't smell it all
(27:57):
that sort of thing. That's all still a possibility.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
It's not to say that I have a suspicion that
this was done by somebody. It's just the weirdest series
of events, a very tragic series of events that led
to the deaths of these two people. And not that
even you could say that it was preventable necessarily.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Well, it wouldn't be odd if it was just Gene
Hackman at ninety five years old, found dead in his home.
He had fallen and he's dead. It wouldn't be weird.
But the wife's just sixty three years old. And the
bottle of pills, what pills were those? How many were ingested?
Were any ingested? Were they ingested by anybody else in
the house. It's all going to center around those pills.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Uh yeah, And it's going to be a time before
we figure out did that Like you know, we've heard
the other pills that they've taken, the talent old, the
thyroid pills, things like that, the innocuous stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
The fact that those haven't been little and maybe those
maybe that's what it was. Maybe she was going and
taking a talentol or a thyroid pill or what have
you and collapsed from the from no, I mean just
collapse because of the carbon monoxide poisoning or what have
you and the bottle spills.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
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