April 9, 2025 • 24 mins
Gary and Shannon discuss the history on the soccer coach accused of murdering a 13-year-old boy. CA Lawmakers v. AI Chatbots. Trump temporarily drops tariffs to 10% for most countries, hits China harder with 125%.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
A M six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on
demand on the iHeartRadio app. But one of my favorite
memories from my wedding where I probably wouldn't have said
play Shout because it is a hack wedding song.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It's played at every wedding.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
One of my favorite memories is my uncle who's now dead,
God Rest the soul, Uncle Jim dancing going to that
song and getting everybody at the wedding to dance to
that song and him basically doing a grand plier.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
What a grand plier, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Like, there's this point of the song of the Shout
where it gets really softer and you kind of shrink
down to the floor like you do at a wedding,
and my uncle Jim Man, he dropped it like it
was damn hot and got right back up again.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It was incredible.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Well, if it feels different today, it's because we have
tariffs now. They took effect overnight. Business executives warning of
potential recession. Some of the top US trading partners are
retaliating with their own import taxes. The stock market has
been uh the I've never seen this word before, at
least in this context.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
It's been quivering today.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
The Dow is back and forth, up and down, positive
and negative. Right now it's back positive by about three
hundred and eighty points. Sm P five hundred is up
sixty six points. Nasdaq is up three forty two. I
mentioned that as of right now, gold is the biggest mover.
Gold is up one hundred and twenty dollars an ounce.
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It's now over thirty one hundred dollars for an ounce
of gold.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
The family is continuing to mourn the loss of their
thirteen year old son. This is the little boy who
was reported missing last Sunday from the valley went to
his soccer coach's house in Lancaster, a guy that the
family had had in their home, a trusted soccer coach,
travel soccer coach. Thirteen year old boy Oscar, very talented
soccer player. The family came here from Al Salvadora a
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couple of years ago. Ends up that the body is
found up there near Oxnard. The soccer coach even helped
look for the little boy when he was still in
the missing category. That's how close he was with the family. Well,
now we're learning that this guy assaulted a fourteen year
(02:27):
old boy back in December of twenty twenty two. So
if he was charged sooner, would Oscar still be alive?
That was the question on the table to the DA
in La County. Nathan Hawkman.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Channel seven was able to ask him that question, and
here was the response.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
So why just now.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Are we seeing charges filed in this twenty twenty two case.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
When we got the case, we asked for additional interviews,
We asked for additional forensic evidence to be analyzed and completed,
and unfortunately that the additional interviews were not finalized until
very recently.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Was there ever a ball dropped there? Yeah, because it
does seem like that happened long ago and the timing.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Some may say, well, well, it's interesting charges were just
filed on that yesterday after the DA.
Speaker 7 (03:19):
Often, in order to get to the completion of the case,
the individuals involved in the case have to be at
a point at which they're willing to fully come forward
and provide all the information that we need in order
to make prosecutorial decision.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
That didn't happen fully until yesterday.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
He's so infuriating on many many levels here. I mean,
let's start with the fact that that sources have been
telling media outlets throughout LA that this guy was in
the country illegally. You could start you could just start
right with that one, okay, but that this guy's been
here long enough that he's been able to develop relationships,
that there are enough people that know about this guy,
that neighbors had said, yeah, you know, he always seemed
(04:09):
to have kids around the house, but he didn't have
any kids.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Apparently he married.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Apparently according to his social media it's littered with pictures
of him and kids at his house, and him coaching soccer,
and him with more kids, and.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
He was here illegally. Does that play into anything?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Did this get to the desk, a desk of George
Gascone and his underlings who would protect the legal immigrants?
I don't know, but there's so many dropped balls here.
I mean, twenty twenty two, when did Hawkman come into
the office.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I'm just trying to.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Say, if you December of last year, December last year,
I mean, I'd be shifting the blame all day long.
If I were a Hawkman, Yeah, I'd be saying this
is this one didn't happen on my watch. And furthermore,
I've put out an edict to all my das. If
you've got any of these sexual assault allegations that we
haven't gotten to, you're gonna stay up and work round
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the clock in overtime, and we'll pay for it to
freaking clear the decks here, because not another little boy
is gonna die on my watch, or a little girl
or adult or whoever. As long as we as long
as the red flag is up and somebody has revealed
themselves to be an assaulter a sexual assault of children,
we are going to investigate that, no matter what the
office hours are.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
So there's a weird there, and it seems like this
guy ended up in kind of a gray area, this
Mario Garcia Aquino, where there were people who made accusations
against him.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
There was the fourteen year old in twenty twenty two.
There was the sixteen year old just over a year
ago in Palmdale. So these two cases, both of them
make allegations against this guy. That doesn't happen randomly, that
doesn't happen on a whim. This is not some you know,
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social panacea where kids all of a sudden and make
up stories about coach Mario. That's the hardest part about it.
But because according to Nathan Hawkman, because of some investigative issues,
whether it was the kids didn't want to testify, the
families didn't want them to testify, they couldn't find other
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corroborating evidence, whatever it is, it falls into that gray
area where it sounds like everybody has a suspicion about
this guy, but it doesn't rise to the level of
an actual law enforcement action.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Here's the problem in in LA it shouldn't be a problem.
You're having people who don't speak the language, who are
here illegally, that do not want to tell the cops
what they know. That's just the way it's always been
in Los Angeles for a very long time, and there
should be ways around it. And if you don't have
witnesses the way cooperative witnesses the way you have in
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other cases, there's got to be ways to make them cooperate.
There's got to be ways to work around a there's
not a language barrier anymore, but there's got to be
a way to work around a cultural barrier or i'm
scared of ice under this administration barrier or whatever it
is to protect these children, who who who come here
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for a better life. I mean, it's just it's so
anthetical to like what this whole family came here for
and was I don't know, I just I think that's
not an excuse. Hawkman's excuse is not a viable excuse
in my mind. Oh, there was interviews to be no, no, no, no,
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Like you get a whiff of a kid being molested
by a coach, not even a famili not that there's
a good child molestation story, but not even a familial relative,
like a familial assault, but somebody who's got.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Access to other children. Kids come on.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And that's the thing is, there's there's got to be
a question asked of whoever was employing him. Was it
people that were, you know, hiring this guy to coach
their kid individually?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Sure it was off the mark.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Was it a team?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I bet it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I bet it.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
He's a traveling soccer coach. It was also a guy
from El Salvador. You know there's commonalities there. Your kid
loves soccer. Here's this guy who knows where you came from.
Maybe you've got some people in common or what have you.
You trust him he's going to teach your kids soccer
that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Fifteen years ago, when I was a coach for my
kids soccer teams, they went through a full back. That's different,
I know, and I'm not saying, and I remember being
so annoyed by it, like.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
What the what am I going to do?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
First of all, I have a kid on the team, right,
and I'm not going to take advantage of my pay.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's just organized sports. This was not.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
That's and that's an issue that's going to come up
in situations like this.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I mean, but what do you do.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
You've moved here with your family family from El Salvador
three years ago, you don't speak the language. You meet
other El Salvadorans in the community, that's who you hang
out with. This guy coaches soccer. Your kids got this
talent for soccer. Why wouldn't because why wouldn't this be
something that happened.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
It would be hard for me to believe that there
wasn't somebody who's like, yeah, but you don't want there's
something about that guy.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
I mean, word like that spreads pretty quickly.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I'm surprised, Well, I wouldn't be surprised if in this.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Case it took two years. That's not that long of
a time. You know, the damage has been done pretty quickly.
But the fact that they got wind of this two
years ago and nothing was done is.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
A real problem.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Hey, California has a legislature. Did you know that? And
some of those lawmakers have ideas that actually make sense.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
What.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah, it's weird how they're going to go after AI
chat bots.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
When we come back.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
The quivering Wall Streets numbers continue to quiver as of
right now, though I just looked it up during the
break there, the Dow is flying. The Dow is up
seventeen hundred points right now, which is about five percent
some p five hundred. NASTAC also seeing quite a spike
over just the last couple of minutes here. One thing
(10:07):
that the Treasury's thirty nine billion dollar auction of ten
year notes saw some pretty strong, very strong demand. I
guess that's probably what it was.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I don't know the Treasury report well that they were auction.
The Treasury auction met with strong demand. Is going to
bounce back. The doubt of sixteen hundred ghosts I don't think.
So there's got to be a phone call that was made.
Somebody knows something. But again, you don't get that excited
over the freaking Treasury.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Auction because this is also coming in. Fox is reporting
that Trump is going to say he's raising tariffs on
China up to one hundred and twenty five percent. As
of right now, they were at one hundred and four percent,
so he's going to go even higher.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Well, of course he is.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
So everyone get out their genitals. Were in for a
urination match, and Trump and China are the main card.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
The what card? The best card, the main event, the
I'll say main event, yeah, but what what is the card?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Terminal?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Undercard? So well, you would be there with the main
main event in the undercar. So we're the undercard. If
we were to urinary measure, if we were to measure
our urination utensils.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Got it a urination utensil. I was trying to keep
it clean, you did, and I appreciate that. But someone's
going to complain that you've mentioned genitals.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
You did wait until ten twenty five, so it's not
like we talk about genitals a lot in our body.
Now she brings in the cameras I talk about Jena,
the genitals begin to do. There is a bill send
It Bill two forty three in Sacramento that would try
to regulate AI chatbots.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Remember that story out of Florida.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Kid killed himself after talking with this AI chatbot for
a long time.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Mom sued.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Mom sued the company character Ai, which is based in
Menlo Park here in California, and to address this problem,
state lawmakers in this bill would require operators of any
chatboard chat bot platform to remind a user at least
every three hours that the virtual characters.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Are not human.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
They would also have a protocol for addressing suicidal ideation.
It would require chatbots to report the number of times
that their human companion brings up suicide ideation or actions,
along with other requirements. It's just one way that they
say they're trying to tackle the potential risks posed by
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AI chatbots as they're getting more and more popular.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I read an opinion piece over the weekend and I
forgot to bring it to the show, but it was
about the proliferation of these romantic chat bots and how
popular they really are, especially amongst the young people. And
we've talked about it before Is it just training wheels?
Is that learning how to do something before you're ready
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to actually do it.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Well, there are people we talked about it a couple
of weeks ago. There are people who advocate for that
because it gives especially younger teenagers, the ability to make
some of those dating mistakes without hurting anybody's feelings.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Right, And I remember that conversation of people advocating for
them to be training wheels, Right, But is that the
purpose that the people who are actually using it are
using it for. Are they getting addicted to this because
in the opinion piece, the takeaway was kind of like, Yeah,
they're going to tell you things you want to hear.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
They're going to tell you the compliments.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
They're going to be there when you want them, They're
going to respond when you want them to all of
the things. And the problem with these relationships is that
there is no give and take. That's the thing about
relationships that's so wonderful. You know, you get sick, your
wife makes you soup, your chatbot is and that's a
major part of relationships, is the give and take and
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being there for each other in that regard, and the
chatbot never needs you. The chatbot never needs you. You
never give anything that is chat pot. The chatbot could
be there to listen to all your problems and things.
But if you're not doing something for your chatbot, then
you're not getting what you need out of the relationship.
Because part of that is the joy your wife gets
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giving you that soup when you're sick. That's part of
what builds a relationship of give and take and being
there for each other. If it's a one sided thing,
it's not a relationship.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
That's These things tear. They terrify me. Not because I'm
afraid of an AI chatbot. I'm terrified about down the
line what it does to someone's mentality if they don't
have that huge action.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
But I mean, it's like porn, right, It's we had
this conversation about porn ten twenty years ago of like, oh,
kids are watching porn and it's gone so out of
control that they're not going to be able to have
sex normally.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Ever did that happen, Maybe it happened. I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
When's last time he had sex with any eighteen year old?
It's been a long time.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, yeah, See, I don't think I ever had sex
with an eighteen year old.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
I don't know if that no, I did.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I did anyway, let's move on, moving on a long time.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Oh gosh, I realized that it was a minefield. I
wasn't trying to jump into and apparently I just both
feet both feet.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
All right here, everyone saying, you know, throughout the hallway.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Again, something's going on on Wall Street. The Dow is
up about two thousand points. We'll see what's going on.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Trump authorized a ninety day pause on tariffs, says the
Breaking News, And that's exactly what that phone call was.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Because wow, for him the last night.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
To say everyone be cool, don't be a pannikin relax.
For him to do this, somebody got to Trump big
time because he is not somebody to waiver. But I mean,
he did do the pause back in what February was it,
when it was Canada and Mexico. So maybe he's just
trying to stop the bleeding on Wall Street. The phone
(16:05):
was probably ringing off the hook. Elon Musk in the
room as well. So this is I don't know why
this image just popped into my head. If you're torturing
somebody and you're trying to get secrets out of them, right.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
You're having sex with an eighteen year old.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
No, we're moving past that and pretending it never happened.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
You have somebody on a meat hook, right, They're chained
up and they're hanging out of a meat hook, and
you've got a battery and you're going to shock them
right in their sides, right, and you're trying to torture
them to get the information out of them. They say,
I'm not giving you up any information, and you say,
I'm going to shock you and they say, no, I'm
not giving you any information. And then pow you hit
him with that first shock and they go, okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
I'll tell you. I'll tell you whatever you want to know.
This is then you turning.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Really freaking dark mind And I almost used a bad word.
That was really dark. That was a really dark scenario
you painted. You know, I'm going to go to the news.
We're going to go to the news.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 2 (17:07):
I've heard enough about it.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Her Caroline love It, White House Press Secretary there and
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant. And again this just before, just
before we went to the news. At the bottom of
the hour, we noticed that the Dow had jumped up
a couple thousand points five to six percent, and.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
We thought somebody got on the phone, something happened, somebody
got worried of something, because it wasn't about the Treasury auction.
And then we found out that he ordered this ninety
day pause on tariffs except for China. And I believe
Beset when he says that this was the plan all along,
because in my mind, this was the plan all along.
It was never about the other countries. It was about
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China from go.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
And he tried to push against that, but but it's
he tried to say that this is not just about China,
it was to expose any bad actors.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
But that's clearly what they were trying to do in
the first place.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
It was assic for me, being a girl middle school
bully girl technique of you try to get everybody on
your side. It's you showing your power in front of
everybody else, and then when you zero in on who
you want to have as your rival, you get everybody
else on your side. And that's exactly what the United
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States did. They saw China as their rival. They went
up against everyone in the schoolyard and then decided to
pull all the weaker personalities, all the weaker countries, into
their orbit and say, okay, we're all.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
We've all everyone's.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Playing nice with me except for you, and now it's
the world against China.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
That's essentially what they're doing here.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
So officially the president. It's not official because it's a
truth social post, but I mean the words that the
President used. He plans to keep the administration's global baseline
tariff increase of ten percent in place for all countries.
That is still enough, at least according to the Treasury Secretary,
That in and of itself is still enough to get
those seventy five countries to come to the table to
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begin their negotiations to figure out what we're going to
do with all of these individual trade agreement.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Here's the thing, they don't matter.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
We talked about this before, those issues with other countries,
they don't matter. It is apples and oranges, but it's not.
It's like oranges and freaking orange peels. None of our
contracts with those other countries mean crap.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
No, I think it's China that matters.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
China is the big one.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
They do matter because if you're talking about like European Union,
if you're talking about Canada, if you're talking about Mexico,
if you're talking about Vietnam, if you're talking there are
countries where India there are sizable trade agreements that we
have that are going to have an impact. None of
them and even if you add them all together, they
might not They might not reach what we have with China. Right.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
But India is a curious one that you bring up
because India tries to kind of play both sides of
the playground here.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
India tries to pretend.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
That they're our ally, but they're very close, maybe the
closest trade partners with China. So India is not going
to be like, oh, f and you China, I'm going
with America.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
That's not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
No, But I think that they wanted the minor players.
I mean your pointed that these smaller ones don't matter.
They do want those minor players to be able to
be sure, to want.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
To be able to say great optics are great China.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, But when you get down to the math, we
don't bring in stuff from the other countries to the
percent near the percentage of the percent it's an f
and joke.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
You know when you look at this.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Let's let's go down the list of the seventy five
other countries they're talking about, right, and look at what
our trade is with those countries.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Right, five million dollars with Lithuania or whatever the exactly
sample might be.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I know that, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I love the.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Optics that the whole world is on our side and
how I want it to be.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I want Trump's plan to work, I really do.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I think it would be great to move all of
the manufacturing back to this country.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I think it would be great to take all these.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Contracts, rip them up, throw them out, start over to
where we benefit better.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I just think that we need to be honest with
what we're dealing with right now, and that's China.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And that's a.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Very fragile situation you've got there with Shi Jinping and
what he's promised his people. He's promised his people that
think the same things Trump has promised us.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yeah, and as we mentioned yesterday, neither of these guys
backs down. There's no there's no political future in for
either one of them.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
If they are appear to have backed down.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I'm sorry. I said a bad word.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Why are you apologizing to me?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I feel bad.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You're the one who's got to go to the FCC,
not me.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
President Trump did announce this ninety day pause of the
higher tariffs against these trading partners that went into effect
earlier today last night overnight, if you want to call
it that.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
And again the exception is China.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
As of about midnight d C time, the tariff on
goods coming in from China was set at one hundred
and four percent. After China then retaliated and increased the
tariffs on American goods going to China, President Trump just
a short time ago said it's going to go from
one hundred and four percent up to one hundred and
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twenty five percent.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
So not only has he.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Been able to in his work in his idea to
isolate China, he's got all of these other countries, dozens
of them. Scott Besson said that there are seventy five
plus that are coming and you know, dropping a dime
to call us and let us know that they're ready
to negotiate.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
That these countries are now aligned with us.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
They are now pointed towards us because they know how
important our trade is with them.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Don't be surprised if you hear the term market manipulation,
that was that that was maybe one of the goals here.
I don't believe it to be the case because President
Trump is talking about tariffs forever and wanting to do this,
(23:23):
and you've got timing of this. Timing of it is
odd in the middle of the day, the middle of
a day, like why now? And that was one of
the questions, why right now? And that's why Bescent said
this was the president's plan all along. You have to
follow the money on that one. That's that's a book
that comes out in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
All right, Swamp Watch, of course is coming up. We'll
talk a little bit more about this. We're getting some
more information about what Scott Besson, the Secretary of the
Treasury said the thinking behind all of this with the
President has been saying on social media. But again, a
ninety day pause on the tariffs except for China.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
It's on man.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Gary and Shannon will continue in just a moment. You've
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demand on the iHeartRadio app. But one of my favorite
memories from my wedding where I probably wouldn't have said
play Shout because it is a hack wedding song.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It's played at every wedding.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
One of my favorite memories is my uncle who's now dead,
God Rest the soul, Uncle Jim dancing going to that
song and getting everybody at the wedding to dance to
that song and him basically doing a grand plier.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
What a grand plier, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Like, there's this point of the song of the Shout
where it gets really softer and you kind of shrink
down to the floor like you do at a wedding,
and my uncle Jim Man, he dropped it like it
was damn hot and got right back up again.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It was incredible.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Well, if it feels different today, it's because we have
tariffs now. They took effect overnight. Business executives warning of
potential recession. Some of the top US trading partners are
retaliating with their own import taxes. The stock market has
been uh the I've never seen this word before, at
least in this context.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
It's been quivering today.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
The Dow is back and forth, up and down, positive
and negative. Right now it's back positive by about three
hundred and eighty points. Sm P five hundred is up
sixty six points. Nasdaq is up three forty two. I
mentioned that as of right now, gold is the biggest mover.
Gold is up one hundred and twenty dollars an ounce.
(01:38):
It's now over thirty one hundred dollars for an ounce
of gold.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
The family is continuing to mourn the loss of their
thirteen year old son. This is the little boy who
was reported missing last Sunday from the valley went to
his soccer coach's house in Lancaster, a guy that the
family had had in their home, a trusted soccer coach,
travel soccer coach. Thirteen year old boy Oscar, very talented
soccer player. The family came here from Al Salvadora a
(02:05):
couple of years ago. Ends up that the body is
found up there near Oxnard. The soccer coach even helped
look for the little boy when he was still in
the missing category. That's how close he was with the family. Well,
now we're learning that this guy assaulted a fourteen year
(02:27):
old boy back in December of twenty twenty two. So
if he was charged sooner, would Oscar still be alive?
That was the question on the table to the DA
in La County. Nathan Hawkman.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Channel seven was able to ask him that question, and
here was the response.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
So why just now.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Are we seeing charges filed in this twenty twenty two case.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
When we got the case, we asked for additional interviews,
We asked for additional forensic evidence to be analyzed and completed,
and unfortunately that the additional interviews were not finalized until
very recently.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Was there ever a ball dropped there? Yeah, because it
does seem like that happened long ago and the timing.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Some may say, well, well, it's interesting charges were just
filed on that yesterday after the DA.
Speaker 7 (03:19):
Often, in order to get to the completion of the case,
the individuals involved in the case have to be at
a point at which they're willing to fully come forward
and provide all the information that we need in order
to make prosecutorial decision.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
That didn't happen fully until yesterday.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
He's so infuriating on many many levels here. I mean,
let's start with the fact that that sources have been
telling media outlets throughout LA that this guy was in
the country illegally. You could start you could just start
right with that one, okay, but that this guy's been
here long enough that he's been able to develop relationships,
that there are enough people that know about this guy,
that neighbors had said, yeah, you know, he always seemed
(04:09):
to have kids around the house, but he didn't have
any kids.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Apparently he married.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Apparently according to his social media it's littered with pictures
of him and kids at his house, and him coaching soccer,
and him with more kids, and.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
He was here illegally. Does that play into anything?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Did this get to the desk, a desk of George
Gascone and his underlings who would protect the legal immigrants?
I don't know, but there's so many dropped balls here.
I mean, twenty twenty two, when did Hawkman come into
the office.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I'm just trying to.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Say, if you December of last year, December last year,
I mean, I'd be shifting the blame all day long.
If I were a Hawkman, Yeah, I'd be saying this
is this one didn't happen on my watch. And furthermore,
I've put out an edict to all my das. If
you've got any of these sexual assault allegations that we
haven't gotten to, you're gonna stay up and work round
(05:03):
the clock in overtime, and we'll pay for it to
freaking clear the decks here, because not another little boy
is gonna die on my watch, or a little girl
or adult or whoever. As long as we as long
as the red flag is up and somebody has revealed
themselves to be an assaulter a sexual assault of children,
we are going to investigate that, no matter what the
office hours are.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
So there's a weird there, and it seems like this
guy ended up in kind of a gray area, this
Mario Garcia Aquino, where there were people who made accusations
against him.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
There was the fourteen year old in twenty twenty two.
There was the sixteen year old just over a year
ago in Palmdale. So these two cases, both of them
make allegations against this guy. That doesn't happen randomly, that
doesn't happen on a whim. This is not some you know,
(05:55):
social panacea where kids all of a sudden and make
up stories about coach Mario. That's the hardest part about it.
But because according to Nathan Hawkman, because of some investigative issues,
whether it was the kids didn't want to testify, the
families didn't want them to testify, they couldn't find other
(06:16):
corroborating evidence, whatever it is, it falls into that gray
area where it sounds like everybody has a suspicion about
this guy, but it doesn't rise to the level of
an actual law enforcement action.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Here's the problem in in LA it shouldn't be a problem.
You're having people who don't speak the language, who are
here illegally, that do not want to tell the cops
what they know. That's just the way it's always been
in Los Angeles for a very long time, and there
should be ways around it. And if you don't have
witnesses the way cooperative witnesses the way you have in
(06:48):
other cases, there's got to be ways to make them cooperate.
There's got to be ways to work around a there's
not a language barrier anymore, but there's got to be
a way to work around a cultural barrier or i'm
scared of ice under this administration barrier or whatever it
is to protect these children, who who who come here
(07:10):
for a better life. I mean, it's just it's so
anthetical to like what this whole family came here for
and was I don't know, I just I think that's
not an excuse. Hawkman's excuse is not a viable excuse
in my mind. Oh, there was interviews to be no, no, no, no,
(07:32):
Like you get a whiff of a kid being molested
by a coach, not even a famili not that there's
a good child molestation story, but not even a familial relative,
like a familial assault, but somebody who's got.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Access to other children. Kids come on.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And that's the thing is, there's there's got to be
a question asked of whoever was employing him. Was it
people that were, you know, hiring this guy to coach
their kid individually?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Sure it was off the mark.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Was it a team?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I bet it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I bet it.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
He's a traveling soccer coach. It was also a guy
from El Salvador. You know there's commonalities there. Your kid
loves soccer. Here's this guy who knows where you came from.
Maybe you've got some people in common or what have you.
You trust him he's going to teach your kids soccer
that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Fifteen years ago, when I was a coach for my
kids soccer teams, they went through a full back. That's different,
I know, and I'm not saying, and I remember being
so annoyed by it, like.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
What the what am I going to do?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
First of all, I have a kid on the team, right,
and I'm not going to take advantage of my pay.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's just organized sports. This was not.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
That's and that's an issue that's going to come up
in situations like this.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I mean, but what do you do.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
You've moved here with your family family from El Salvador
three years ago, you don't speak the language. You meet
other El Salvadorans in the community, that's who you hang
out with. This guy coaches soccer. Your kids got this
talent for soccer. Why wouldn't because why wouldn't this be
something that happened.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
It would be hard for me to believe that there
wasn't somebody who's like, yeah, but you don't want there's
something about that guy.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
I mean, word like that spreads pretty quickly.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I'm surprised, Well, I wouldn't be surprised if in this.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Case it took two years. That's not that long of
a time. You know, the damage has been done pretty quickly.
But the fact that they got wind of this two
years ago and nothing was done is.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
A real problem.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Hey, California has a legislature. Did you know that? And
some of those lawmakers have ideas that actually make sense.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
What.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah, it's weird how they're going to go after AI
chat bots.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
When we come back.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
The quivering Wall Streets numbers continue to quiver as of
right now, though I just looked it up during the
break there, the Dow is flying. The Dow is up
seventeen hundred points right now, which is about five percent
some p five hundred. NASTAC also seeing quite a spike
over just the last couple of minutes here. One thing
(10:07):
that the Treasury's thirty nine billion dollar auction of ten
year notes saw some pretty strong, very strong demand. I
guess that's probably what it was.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I don't know the Treasury report well that they were auction.
The Treasury auction met with strong demand. Is going to
bounce back. The doubt of sixteen hundred ghosts I don't think.
So there's got to be a phone call that was made.
Somebody knows something. But again, you don't get that excited
over the freaking Treasury.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Auction because this is also coming in. Fox is reporting
that Trump is going to say he's raising tariffs on
China up to one hundred and twenty five percent. As
of right now, they were at one hundred and four percent,
so he's going to go even higher.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Well, of course he is.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
So everyone get out their genitals. Were in for a
urination match, and Trump and China are the main card.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
The what card? The best card, the main event, the
I'll say main event, yeah, but what what is the card?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Terminal?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Undercard? So well, you would be there with the main
main event in the undercar. So we're the undercard. If
we were to urinary measure, if we were to measure
our urination utensils.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Got it a urination utensil. I was trying to keep
it clean, you did, and I appreciate that. But someone's
going to complain that you've mentioned genitals.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
You did wait until ten twenty five, so it's not
like we talk about genitals a lot in our body.
Now she brings in the cameras I talk about Jena,
the genitals begin to do. There is a bill send
It Bill two forty three in Sacramento that would try
to regulate AI chatbots.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Remember that story out of Florida.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Kid killed himself after talking with this AI chatbot for
a long time.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Mom sued.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Mom sued the company character Ai, which is based in
Menlo Park here in California, and to address this problem,
state lawmakers in this bill would require operators of any
chatboard chat bot platform to remind a user at least
every three hours that the virtual characters.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Are not human.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
They would also have a protocol for addressing suicidal ideation.
It would require chatbots to report the number of times
that their human companion brings up suicide ideation or actions,
along with other requirements. It's just one way that they
say they're trying to tackle the potential risks posed by
(12:39):
AI chatbots as they're getting more and more popular.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I read an opinion piece over the weekend and I
forgot to bring it to the show, but it was
about the proliferation of these romantic chat bots and how
popular they really are, especially amongst the young people. And
we've talked about it before Is it just training wheels?
Is that learning how to do something before you're ready
(13:02):
to actually do it.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Well, there are people we talked about it a couple
of weeks ago. There are people who advocate for that
because it gives especially younger teenagers, the ability to make
some of those dating mistakes without hurting anybody's feelings.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Right, And I remember that conversation of people advocating for
them to be training wheels, Right, But is that the
purpose that the people who are actually using it are
using it for. Are they getting addicted to this because
in the opinion piece, the takeaway was kind of like, Yeah,
they're going to tell you things you want to hear.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
They're going to tell you the compliments.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
They're going to be there when you want them, They're
going to respond when you want them to all of
the things. And the problem with these relationships is that
there is no give and take. That's the thing about
relationships that's so wonderful. You know, you get sick, your
wife makes you soup, your chatbot is and that's a
major part of relationships, is the give and take and
(13:55):
being there for each other in that regard, and the
chatbot never needs you. The chatbot never needs you. You
never give anything that is chat pot. The chatbot could
be there to listen to all your problems and things.
But if you're not doing something for your chatbot, then
you're not getting what you need out of the relationship.
Because part of that is the joy your wife gets
(14:17):
giving you that soup when you're sick. That's part of
what builds a relationship of give and take and being
there for each other. If it's a one sided thing,
it's not a relationship.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
That's These things tear. They terrify me. Not because I'm
afraid of an AI chatbot. I'm terrified about down the
line what it does to someone's mentality if they don't
have that huge action.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
But I mean, it's like porn, right, It's we had
this conversation about porn ten twenty years ago of like, oh,
kids are watching porn and it's gone so out of
control that they're not going to be able to have
sex normally.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Ever did that happen, Maybe it happened. I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
When's last time he had sex with any eighteen year old?
It's been a long time.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, yeah, See, I don't think I ever had sex
with an eighteen year old.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
I don't know if that no, I did.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I did anyway, let's move on, moving on a long time.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Oh gosh, I realized that it was a minefield. I
wasn't trying to jump into and apparently I just both
feet both feet.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
All right here, everyone saying, you know, throughout the hallway.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Again, something's going on on Wall Street. The Dow is
up about two thousand points. We'll see what's going on.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Trump authorized a ninety day pause on tariffs, says the
Breaking News, And that's exactly what that phone call was.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Because wow, for him the last night.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
To say everyone be cool, don't be a pannikin relax.
For him to do this, somebody got to Trump big
time because he is not somebody to waiver. But I mean,
he did do the pause back in what February was it,
when it was Canada and Mexico. So maybe he's just
trying to stop the bleeding on Wall Street. The phone
(16:05):
was probably ringing off the hook. Elon Musk in the
room as well. So this is I don't know why
this image just popped into my head. If you're torturing
somebody and you're trying to get secrets out of them, right.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
You're having sex with an eighteen year old.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
No, we're moving past that and pretending it never happened.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
You have somebody on a meat hook, right, They're chained
up and they're hanging out of a meat hook, and
you've got a battery and you're going to shock them
right in their sides, right, and you're trying to torture
them to get the information out of them. They say,
I'm not giving you up any information, and you say,
I'm going to shock you and they say, no, I'm
not giving you any information. And then pow you hit
him with that first shock and they go, okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
I'll tell you. I'll tell you whatever you want to know.
This is then you turning.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Really freaking dark mind And I almost used a bad word.
That was really dark. That was a really dark scenario
you painted. You know, I'm going to go to the news.
We're going to go to the news.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I've heard enough about it.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Her Caroline love It, White House Press Secretary there and
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant. And again this just before, just
before we went to the news. At the bottom of
the hour, we noticed that the Dow had jumped up
a couple thousand points five to six percent, and.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
We thought somebody got on the phone, something happened, somebody
got worried of something, because it wasn't about the Treasury auction.
And then we found out that he ordered this ninety
day pause on tariffs except for China. And I believe
Beset when he says that this was the plan all along,
because in my mind, this was the plan all along.
It was never about the other countries. It was about
(17:47):
China from go.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
And he tried to push against that, but but it's
he tried to say that this is not just about China,
it was to expose any bad actors.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
But that's clearly what they were trying to do in
the first place.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
It was assic for me, being a girl middle school
bully girl technique of you try to get everybody on
your side. It's you showing your power in front of
everybody else, and then when you zero in on who
you want to have as your rival, you get everybody
else on your side. And that's exactly what the United
(18:19):
States did. They saw China as their rival. They went
up against everyone in the schoolyard and then decided to
pull all the weaker personalities, all the weaker countries, into
their orbit and say, okay, we're all.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
We've all everyone's.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Playing nice with me except for you, and now it's
the world against China.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
That's essentially what they're doing here.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
So officially the president. It's not official because it's a
truth social post, but I mean the words that the
President used. He plans to keep the administration's global baseline
tariff increase of ten percent in place for all countries.
That is still enough, at least according to the Treasury Secretary,
That in and of itself is still enough to get
those seventy five countries to come to the table to
(19:00):
begin their negotiations to figure out what we're going to
do with all of these individual trade agreement.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Here's the thing, they don't matter.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
We talked about this before, those issues with other countries,
they don't matter. It is apples and oranges, but it's not.
It's like oranges and freaking orange peels. None of our
contracts with those other countries mean crap.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
No, I think it's China that matters.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
China is the big one.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
They do matter because if you're talking about like European Union,
if you're talking about Canada, if you're talking about Mexico,
if you're talking about Vietnam, if you're talking there are
countries where India there are sizable trade agreements that we
have that are going to have an impact. None of
them and even if you add them all together, they
might not They might not reach what we have with China. Right.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
But India is a curious one that you bring up
because India tries to kind of play both sides of
the playground here.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
India tries to pretend.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
That they're our ally, but they're very close, maybe the
closest trade partners with China. So India is not going
to be like, oh, f and you China, I'm going
with America.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
That's not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
No, But I think that they wanted the minor players.
I mean your pointed that these smaller ones don't matter.
They do want those minor players to be able to
be sure, to want.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
To be able to say great optics are great China.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, But when you get down to the math, we
don't bring in stuff from the other countries to the
percent near the percentage of the percent it's an f
and joke.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
You know when you look at this.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Let's let's go down the list of the seventy five
other countries they're talking about, right, and look at what
our trade is with those countries.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Right, five million dollars with Lithuania or whatever the exactly
sample might be.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I know that, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I love the.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Optics that the whole world is on our side and
how I want it to be.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I want Trump's plan to work, I really do.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I think it would be great to move all of
the manufacturing back to this country.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I think it would be great to take all these.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Contracts, rip them up, throw them out, start over to
where we benefit better.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I just think that we need to be honest with
what we're dealing with right now, and that's China.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And that's a.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Very fragile situation you've got there with Shi Jinping and
what he's promised his people. He's promised his people that
think the same things Trump has promised us.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yeah, and as we mentioned yesterday, neither of these guys
backs down. There's no there's no political future in for
either one of them.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
If they are appear to have backed down.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I'm sorry. I said a bad word.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Why are you apologizing to me?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I feel bad.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You're the one who's got to go to the FCC,
not me.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
President Trump did announce this ninety day pause of the
higher tariffs against these trading partners that went into effect
earlier today last night overnight, if you want to call
it that.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
And again the exception is China.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
As of about midnight d C time, the tariff on
goods coming in from China was set at one hundred
and four percent. After China then retaliated and increased the
tariffs on American goods going to China, President Trump just
a short time ago said it's going to go from
one hundred and four percent up to one hundred and
(22:31):
twenty five percent.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
So not only has he.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Been able to in his work in his idea to
isolate China, he's got all of these other countries, dozens
of them. Scott Besson said that there are seventy five
plus that are coming and you know, dropping a dime
to call us and let us know that they're ready
to negotiate.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
That these countries are now aligned with us.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
They are now pointed towards us because they know how
important our trade is with them.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Don't be surprised if you hear the term market manipulation,
that was that that was maybe one of the goals here.
I don't believe it to be the case because President
Trump is talking about tariffs forever and wanting to do this,
(23:23):
and you've got timing of this. Timing of it is
odd in the middle of the day, the middle of
a day, like why now? And that was one of
the questions, why right now? And that's why Bescent said
this was the president's plan all along. You have to
follow the money on that one. That's that's a book
that comes out in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
All right, Swamp Watch, of course is coming up. We'll
talk a little bit more about this. We're getting some
more information about what Scott Besson, the Secretary of the
Treasury said the thinking behind all of this with the
President has been saying on social media. But again, a
ninety day pause on the tariffs except for China.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
It's on man.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
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