December 17, 2025 • 26 mins
Gary & Shannon provide the latest updates as Nick Reiner appears in court for the first time in the case surrounding the murders of his parents. They walk through what happened in the courtroom, the key legal developments, and what this initial appearance signals about the road ahead in a closely watched case.
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A very friend heavy show. Today, we have Justin Warsham
coming up in eleven thirty. Heather Brooker is going to
join us at the top of next hour to talk
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We'll talk about this sheep. Oh it is a sheep,
you're right, sorry, and taste similar. But also LAPD Chief
Jim McDonald is going to join us.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
A lot going on, obviously, you've seen Jim McDonald at
the press conference that Nathan Hawkman held about the Reiner
murder charges. You saw him at the FBI press conference
on Monday with that terror threat that was thwarted by
the FBI and the LAPD LA Sheriffs as well, and
he's also dealing with the death of Celeste Reeves and
(02:59):
that murder investigation.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
So a lot to get to with the chief.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
We do have a friend, We do have a source
inside the courthouse downtown at CCB who says that the
son Reiner arrived there, did get on the bus from
Twin Towers and arrived there about eight thirty this morning,
per usual when they bus whatever inmates are due in
court for the day. He was on that bus like
he wasn't yesterday for we were told a medical reason.
(03:25):
So he is there today. The arraignment is going on
as we speak. It looks like it is going to
be pushed over to January, by the way, probably because
the attorney Alan Jackson in this matter needs time to
catch up. As they say on the case. It's the delay, delay,
delay tactic that you see. Also, nothing gets done this
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time of year, so this is pretty by the boss.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
They probably don't have a whole lot of court days
available to you exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
So our office will be filing charges against Nick Reiner
was accused of killing his parents, act director and photographer
producer Michelle Singer Reiner.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
That was Nathan Hakman yesterday you heard him live on KFI.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Now. Prosecuting these cases involving family members are some of
the most challenging and most heart wrenching cases that this
office faces because of the intimate and often brutal nature
of the crimes involved.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And we've detailed some of the days and weeks that
led up to Sunday's murders.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
They don't.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
The more details that come in just kind of add
some specifics to what we already knew about Nick. Nick
is thirty two years old. Since the age of fifteen,
he's dealt with drugs. He's been homeless at times. He's
been in and out of rehab multiple times, well over
a dozen times. According to his own account, his parents
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had basically put him up in a guesthouse on their
property there in Brentwood. The party that happened on Saturday
night was apparently at Conan O'Brien's house just over in
the Palisades, and it was a Christmas party and a
metric boatload of famous people were there. And one of
(05:10):
the exchanges that apparently took place was when Nick Reiner
went up to comedian actor writer Bill Hayter. We'll talk
about that because now, unfortunately for Bill Hayter, he's the
one being tracked by paparazzi. I mean, he's got a
feel even though he clearly had nothing to do with this.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Well, it is just the paparazzi of the moment.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, like it was the last twelve hours they snapped
him walking on a Street on his cell phone tens
conversation after he's the last one to have a confrontation
with the killer essentially, But that'll go by the wayside.
I mean, the day before the LAPD, Chief Hamilton was
laid out for having that you know, hastily put together press.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Conference, right.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
You know, so every every day, every news cycle, which
is now six to twelve hours, has a new focus,
and he was the focus overnight.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, we'll talk about that. We'll talk about it a
little bit more when we come back.
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Speaker 1 (06:14):
We have a lot going on here today. Our source
inside the courthouse downtown Los Angeles has reported that the
arraignment has officially been pushed over to January seventh. The
arraignment for Nick Reiner, who has been charged with killing
his parents, Rob and Michelle Reiner, will be kicked over till.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
After the new year.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Like Gary mentioned before the break, not a lot of
court business goes on at this time of years. You
can imagine for the holidays, a lot of blackout dates
for the courts themselves. So arraignment will be January seventh,
the first week of January. That's when we will get
a plea from Nick Reiner and have an idea about
where this defense is headed.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
We mentioned LAPD chief Jim McDonald is going to join
us in the next hour, and this is going to
be one of the topics that we talk about. Also,
President Trump is expected to address the nation tonight, you know,
sent on social media yesterday six o'clock our time.
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Speaker 2 (09:51):
We were telling you about the court appearance that was
scheduled for today.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Nick Rein are supposed to make us first quart appearance today.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
The arraignment has been postpone until Wednesday, January seventh. Of course,
the murders of his parents, Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle,
some of the issues that we know of, some of
the specifics that we know of when it comes to
Nick Reiner and his life, and sort of the fragility
of the relationship between he and his parents came to
(10:21):
a head on Saturday night at this party thrown by
Conan O'Brien and comedian Bill Hayter was one of the
many famous people I'm sure that was there. They all
knew each other, and I'm sure some of them knew
Nick just because he was Rob's kid and had seen
him around, and some of them probably knew of the
issues that Rob and Michelle had when it came to
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Nick and his drug addiction, his relapses, his rehabs, his
stints with homelessness.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Lately, they were saying.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
The friends that knew were closest to them, said that
Nick had become increasingly violent, that he had been destructive.
By his own count, he had talked about getting high
and smashing up the stuff in the guest house that
he was living in. That apparently sometime in the last
several weeks, maybe a couple of months, the parents said
(11:12):
to him sort of the ultimatum of you, if you're
going to continue to do drugs, you can't live here,
You can't live in the guest house. You can't do
this in our house anymore. And that may have been
sort of what was a driving factor, a contributing factor
to whatever made him snap Saturday night into Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I was going to say things seem to have come
to a head at Conan O'Brien's holiday party. But things
come to a head in an addict's life probably four
times a day with the parents, you know where you think, okay,
this is it, or you know he's going to have
his break or whatever. I'm sure it happens all the time,
almost to the point where you're desensitized to whatever impending
crisis or whatever impending tantrum you're going to have.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
To go through with this person.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
But before the we talked about it, it seems like
there was a I don't want to say altercation that
makes it sound more dramatic, but there was an interaction
between Nick and comedian Bill.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Hayter at this party.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Reports are that Rob Reiner introduced his son Nick to
Bill Hayter, and at one point from people who were
there who say, by the way that Nick Reiner was
disheveled in sweats. It was a glitzy event, black tie
kind of situation, so he looked out of place already
that he after being introduced to Bill Hayter, went up
to him after and said bizarre questions like who are you,
(12:35):
are you famous?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
What's your name?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
What's your last name kind of thing, and Bill Hayter
kind of said something to the effect of, this is
a private conversation, kind of like go away after being
interrupted by this guy. That made Rob Reiner obviously uncomfortable,
and there was a verbal altercation between the Rhiners and
their son.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
The Reiners left. Their son left as well, and in.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
The hours that passed, he stabs them to death in
their bedroom. Now we're learning that they have bodies were
found in their bedroom. We saw footage overnight that he
was seen at a gas station. That's where cops caught
up to him five hours after. It was their daughter
that discovered the bodies. After the messuse couldn't get into
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the house. A scheduled massage had been planned. She couldn't
get in, called the daughter who lives across the street.
She finds the bodies. She calls Billy Crystal. He rushes
over and they catch up with the sun detectives do
robbery homicide detectives do at that gas station. They find
out that he had checked into a hotel in Santa
Monica as well. And we'll get into what the maid
(13:42):
in that hotel found what robbery homicide detectives found when
they gained entrance into that room two o seven.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I believe it was when we come back.
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President Trump is announced a presidential address to be coming
up at six o'clock tonight. We're not quite sure what
The White House hasn't announced what the plan is in
terms of topic, but he has said that he's going
to be talking about the year, the good year that
we've had, so the assumption is that it's going to
be concentrating on the economy.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
So LAPD Robbery Homicide detectives are able to track down
Nick Reiner hours after his sister discovered the parents' bodies
there in Brentwood and are able to figure out that
he did book a hotel room after he killed his parents.
So LAPD Robbery Homicide detectives show up at that hotel
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looking for evidence, blood weapon whatever. This was the Pierside
Santa Monica Hotel and the detectives showed up around a
Monday around one am. So, remember the bodies are found
about three point thirty and Sunday. They think that maybe
they were killed sometime in the early morning hours Saturday
into Sunday. But the front desk clerk allows detectives obviously
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into Nick Reiner's room, room two oh seven, and there
they found that a maid had discovered blood in the
shower as well as blood on the bed sheets. He
checked in about four fifteen am Sunday. Hotel staffer believed
he was tweaked out when he did. They thought that
he was high on some sort of stimulant. Sourses say
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that when he checked in, he bought four heinekens and
a bottle of water inside the hotel lobby shop. The
beers were non alcoholic, but unclear if he knew that.
Why would you buy four non alcohol beers?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Because he didn't know? Because if he's tweaked out, he's
not that strategic, was he. We talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I mean just the nature of if you're going to
stab two people brutally, you've got blood all over you.
So was he covered in blood when when he checked
into the hotel or was he wearing something over clothing?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I heard through reports that he may have acquired clothes,
bought clothes after the fact, so he could have gotten
a jacket I guess, maybe to cover to cover up
what was underneath. And so, you know, you found some
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information interesting about his rehab early on.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Again, this guy was very vocal and he had friends
that hosted podcasts and was very upfront with them and honest.
It appears in some of these podcast appearances. For example,
he said on a podcast called Dope hosted by one
of his friends, that he had been in rehab eighteen
times while a teenager. Now we knew that he'd been
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in rehab multiple times, but we were doing the math,
which would have been you know, started when he was fifteen.
He's now thirty two, averages out to about once a year.
He's talking about having been in rehab eighteen times in
five years while he was a teenager. At the age
of fourteen, he'd apparently gone to a party at a
friend's house in la and he took one of the
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kids that was there, took pills that included percocet and xanax,
and ended up passing out on a bed, became non responsive,
so they took him to the hospital. Nick actually went
to the hospital with that boy's family, where he told
a stranger, again, I don't know what's going on, but
he tells a stranger what happened.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
While he was waiting outside.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That woman called his mother, Nick's mother, Michelle, despite the
fact Nick said, please don't tell my mom. Michelle comes
to pick him up. The woman makes Nick repeat the
story to mom Michelle, and he said, I was seconds
away from not being a track, which is a weird
thing to say, but it makes it sound like he
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believed that if Mom hadn't been there and he was
able to deal with this on his own, he never
would have gone to rehab, because she sent him to
rehab right away. She sent him to rehab after that
incident at fourteen years old, at fourteen years old, fourteen
or fifteen, something like that. And he said that first
stint in rehab, he spent four months, he said, one
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hundred and twenty six days with a heroin addict as
a roommate who told him how great shooting up heroin was.
Now we've talked before. You and I probably both know
people who have been to rehab. Sometimes it works and
sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes the threat of rehab is enough
to get somebody to drop what they're doing. Yesterday, we
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heard from multiple people who would leave us talk back
messages who said things like, I was I loved my
drugs until I found out I was going to be
a dad, or I love we used to do drugs
all the time until we start a family and stopped
at Cold Turkey without going to rehab, without going to
you know whatever, seeking outside help. This guy makes it
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sound like if it hadn't been for rehab, he might
not have been going down that path because he said
he taught, he thought about it, the seed was planted
in his mind about heroin specifically, yeah, because the other.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Guy in the room was telling him how the damage
probably has already done in his brain chemistry.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Because if you went to rehab at fourteen after your
friend was caught with adderall and you had Gary Hoffman
had a roommate talking about heroin, you would not leave
that place and seek it out. You just wouldn't, because
your brain's not wired like that. Some of us have
brains wired to seek that dopamine or that addiction or
what have you. Some of us don't. And that's just
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that's just brain science. Who knows I will say, man
at fourteen years old to be exposed to a heroin
addict for one hundred and twent twenty six days, that's something.
But I mean again, we don't know if that's true.
We don't know if that story is true or what
have you, but it does shed light on some things. Now,
a lot has been said about addiction and about mental health.
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We haven't heard specifically if Nick Reiner was diagnosed with
a mental health issue. We can use our common sense
and believe that he was at some point diagnosed with
some sort of personality disorder, whether it's you know, bipolar
or schizophrenia, what have you for a young man like
that to exhibit this type of behavior, Look for some
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sort of numbing qualities in drugs or what have you.
You've got to believe, and you've got to believe that
even if that's not the case, that's going to be
the defense, because how else you explain a stab in
a multiple stab wounds, free on your parents, to kill them,
slit their throats a whole bit. So a lot of
people realize that there is a mental health defense v
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you plead insanity mental health problems, but that is not
a defense in its own you cannot just say I'm
not mentally healthy and that's why I killed my parents
if that was the case, and most murderers would have
a solid defense and get away with it, because who
in their right mind kills anybody else?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Right, it's kind of the definitions, kind of the definitions, right.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
So what Alan Jackson, his attorney, is going to have
to do is prove that in the moment he didn't
know right from wrong, and that's the only way he
probably or he was unconscious or what have you, the
only way that that will be legally a defense that
gets him off of this.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
So we'll talk more about that when we come back.
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It is where you're at Wednesday. Hey Gary and Shannon. Hi,
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I'm moving from Los Angeles to Connecticut. So I'm glad
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Yeah, that's a long drive, and especially this time of year.
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You know what I mean.
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You got some conditions you're going to have to deal with. Yeah,
California to Connecticut. David with that bullhead energy, I love it.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Arraiment for Nick Reiner has been postponed until January seventh.
He was supposed to be in court today. Not a
gigantic surprise.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
This is what I would say.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
This is what a good defense attorney would do. This
is what happens to pretty much every court case. No
one's ever ready. Everyone wants to kick the can down
the road. And every court case that happens in mid
December is one going to get kicked to January.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
It's just the way it is.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
There's just not a lot of court days that are
that are around this time of year because everyone takes
off for the holidays. Mentioned that it looks like they
probably will be shooting for some sort of insanity defense
or diminished capacity defense.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I would assume. I don't know. I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
But because he's had addiction and mental health issues in
the past, that seems to be the likely eventuality of
where the defense is headed. And you know, we don't
talk about it a lot. You can't just say someone's crazier,
they're insane. They've got to put on evidence that proves
that this guy knew right from wrong at the time
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of the or did not know excuse me, right from
wrong at the.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Time of the crime.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And him if he did, in fact, do things like
hide his bloody clothes, get new clothes, try to pretend like,
you know, leave for me, if I'm in that jury box,
leaving the scene of the murders is enough for me
to know he knew it was wrong.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
This is also there will be an issue when it
comes to venue because Rob Reiner, you can't you wouldn't
be able to hold a trial in LA I mean
Roberd being who he is, and.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
All the celebrities have been tried in LA I mean
Alan Jackson himself defended or prosecuted Phil Spector for the.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Murder of Lana Clark Center. True, but I don't know,
I mean, and that's way down the road there, And
why would you want to move it.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
If you're the defense in La La, you've gotten much
more sympathetic jury to mental illness than you do Santa Clarita.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I didn't think about that.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I just think that, I mean the amount of publicity that,
first of all, that has already gotten in the first
four days.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, that it will just continue to Also, Alan Jackson
wants all the cameras that exist. He's fine with it. Yeah,
he's just fine.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Well, I bought a sheep out of a vending machine
at pastathon.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
And what do you mean kind of well?
Speaker 7 (26:17):
I mean they didn't give you a sheep. It didn't
got bat out of the you're ruining the magic? Are
we going to ruin the magic of the holidays? Is
that what we're doing? The giving machine? You'll see it
all over southern California. What is this? What's the deal?
Why can you buy a sheep out of it? Heather
Burger will join us when we come back to Gary
and Shannon.
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A very friend heavy show. Today, we have Justin Warsham
coming up in eleven thirty. Heather Brooker is going to
join us at the top of next hour to talk
about the giving machines. Remember where you bought a goat.
We'll talk about this sheep. Oh it is a sheep,
you're right, sorry, and taste similar. But also LAPD Chief
Jim McDonald is going to join us.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
A lot going on, obviously, you've seen Jim McDonald at
the press conference that Nathan Hawkman held about the Reiner
murder charges. You saw him at the FBI press conference
on Monday with that terror threat that was thwarted by
the FBI and the LAPD LA Sheriffs as well, and
he's also dealing with the death of Celeste Reeves and
(02:59):
that murder investigation.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
So a lot to get to with the chief.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
We do have a friend, We do have a source
inside the courthouse downtown at CCB who says that the
son Reiner arrived there, did get on the bus from
Twin Towers and arrived there about eight thirty this morning,
per usual when they bus whatever inmates are due in
court for the day. He was on that bus like
he wasn't yesterday for we were told a medical reason.
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So he is there today. The arraignment is going on
as we speak. It looks like it is going to
be pushed over to January, by the way, probably because
the attorney Alan Jackson in this matter needs time to
catch up. As they say on the case. It's the delay, delay,
delay tactic that you see. Also, nothing gets done this
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time of year, so this is pretty by the boss.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
They probably don't have a whole lot of court days
available to you exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
So our office will be filing charges against Nick Reiner
was accused of killing his parents, act director and photographer
producer Michelle Singer Reiner.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
That was Nathan Hakman yesterday you heard him live on KFI.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Now. Prosecuting these cases involving family members are some of
the most challenging and most heart wrenching cases that this
office faces because of the intimate and often brutal nature
of the crimes involved.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And we've detailed some of the days and weeks that
led up to Sunday's murders.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
They don't.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
The more details that come in just kind of add
some specifics to what we already knew about Nick. Nick
is thirty two years old. Since the age of fifteen,
he's dealt with drugs. He's been homeless at times. He's
been in and out of rehab multiple times, well over
a dozen times. According to his own account, his parents
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had basically put him up in a guesthouse on their
property there in Brentwood. The party that happened on Saturday
night was apparently at Conan O'Brien's house just over in
the Palisades, and it was a Christmas party and a
metric boatload of famous people were there. And one of
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the exchanges that apparently took place was when Nick Reiner
went up to comedian actor writer Bill Hayter. We'll talk
about that because now, unfortunately for Bill Hayter, he's the
one being tracked by paparazzi. I mean, he's got a
feel even though he clearly had nothing to do with this.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Well, it is just the paparazzi of the moment.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, like it was the last twelve hours they snapped
him walking on a Street on his cell phone tens
conversation after he's the last one to have a confrontation
with the killer essentially, But that'll go by the wayside.
I mean, the day before the LAPD, Chief Hamilton was
laid out for having that you know, hastily put together press.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Conference, right.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
You know, so every every day, every news cycle, which
is now six to twelve hours, has a new focus,
and he was the focus overnight.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, we'll talk about that. We'll talk about it a
little bit more when we come back.
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Speaker 1 (06:14):
We have a lot going on here today. Our source
inside the courthouse downtown Los Angeles has reported that the
arraignment has officially been pushed over to January seventh. The
arraignment for Nick Reiner, who has been charged with killing
his parents, Rob and Michelle Reiner, will be kicked over till.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
After the new year.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Like Gary mentioned before the break, not a lot of
court business goes on at this time of years. You
can imagine for the holidays, a lot of blackout dates
for the courts themselves. So arraignment will be January seventh,
the first week of January. That's when we will get
a plea from Nick Reiner and have an idea about
where this defense is headed.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
We mentioned LAPD chief Jim McDonald is going to join
us in the next hour, and this is going to
be one of the topics that we talk about. Also,
President Trump is expected to address the nation tonight, you know,
sent on social media yesterday six o'clock our time.
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We've already said we're going to carry it live so
you can hear it here. I also, where are you
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So where are you at Wednesday? So let us know
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there you go. Jordan was exciting. You know, I don't
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I get really excited.
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to go.
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Yeah, I know, so yeah, how about that? I don't
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Speaker 2 (09:51):
We were telling you about the court appearance that was
scheduled for today.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Nick Rein are supposed to make us first quart appearance today.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
The arraignment has been postpone until Wednesday, January seventh. Of course,
the murders of his parents, Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle,
some of the issues that we know of, some of
the specifics that we know of when it comes to
Nick Reiner and his life, and sort of the fragility
of the relationship between he and his parents came to
(10:21):
a head on Saturday night at this party thrown by
Conan O'Brien and comedian Bill Hayter was one of the
many famous people I'm sure that was there. They all
knew each other, and I'm sure some of them knew
Nick just because he was Rob's kid and had seen
him around, and some of them probably knew of the
issues that Rob and Michelle had when it came to
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Nick and his drug addiction, his relapses, his rehabs, his
stints with homelessness.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Lately, they were saying.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
The friends that knew were closest to them, said that
Nick had become increasingly violent, that he had been destructive.
By his own count, he had talked about getting high
and smashing up the stuff in the guest house that
he was living in. That apparently sometime in the last
several weeks, maybe a couple of months, the parents said
(11:12):
to him sort of the ultimatum of you, if you're
going to continue to do drugs, you can't live here,
You can't live in the guest house. You can't do
this in our house anymore. And that may have been
sort of what was a driving factor, a contributing factor
to whatever made him snap Saturday night into Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I was going to say things seem to have come
to a head at Conan O'Brien's holiday party. But things
come to a head in an addict's life probably four
times a day with the parents, you know where you think, okay,
this is it, or you know he's going to have
his break or whatever. I'm sure it happens all the time,
almost to the point where you're desensitized to whatever impending
crisis or whatever impending tantrum you're going to have.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
To go through with this person.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
But before the we talked about it, it seems like
there was a I don't want to say altercation that
makes it sound more dramatic, but there was an interaction
between Nick and comedian Bill.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Hayter at this party.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Reports are that Rob Reiner introduced his son Nick to
Bill Hayter, and at one point from people who were
there who say, by the way that Nick Reiner was
disheveled in sweats. It was a glitzy event, black tie
kind of situation, so he looked out of place already
that he after being introduced to Bill Hayter, went up
to him after and said bizarre questions like who are you,
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are you famous?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
What's your name?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
What's your last name kind of thing, and Bill Hayter
kind of said something to the effect of, this is
a private conversation, kind of like go away after being
interrupted by this guy. That made Rob Reiner obviously uncomfortable,
and there was a verbal altercation between the Rhiners and
their son.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
The Reiners left. Their son left as well, and in.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
The hours that passed, he stabs them to death in
their bedroom. Now we're learning that they have bodies were
found in their bedroom. We saw footage overnight that he
was seen at a gas station. That's where cops caught
up to him five hours after. It was their daughter
that discovered the bodies. After the messuse couldn't get into
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the house. A scheduled massage had been planned. She couldn't
get in, called the daughter who lives across the street.
She finds the bodies. She calls Billy Crystal. He rushes
over and they catch up with the sun detectives do
robbery homicide detectives do at that gas station. They find
out that he had checked into a hotel in Santa
Monica as well. And we'll get into what the maid
(13:42):
in that hotel found what robbery homicide detectives found when
they gained entrance into that room two o seven.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I believe it was when we come back.
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It is about eleven thirty and Bangcockland. Oh, and that's
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I like that on my heart over the radio player
on my little phone, and I am in Mesa, Arizona.
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Listening to you all from Edmonton, Kentucky. Oh nice, one
of the Kentucky Headhunters. Warning guys, I'm in Sedona, hiking
the Red Rock and listen to you. Get beautiful, not bad,
have a good day. Sounds nice.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Sedona's gorgeous. I heard from a friend that I went.
I went with my mom probably fifteen years ago, now
ten years ago, fifteen years ago, and god, it was
it's just magic. Sedona's magic. It's one of those places
that's instantly relaxing. But I heard from a friend recently
it's become very touristy, very commercialized. I mean the Red
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rocks are still obviously gorgeous, but you know, it's hard
to get a hotel room that you can afford all
of that.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And they do some very high end resort spa style
stuff at Sonona. I bet you'll cost you a couple
of mortgage payments for the week, not.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Care for for the week. Yeah, I would imagine.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
President Trump is announced a presidential address to be coming
up at six o'clock tonight. We're not quite sure what
The White House hasn't announced what the plan is in
terms of topic, but he has said that he's going
to be talking about the year, the good year that
we've had, so the assumption is that it's going to
be concentrating on the economy.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
So LAPD Robbery Homicide detectives are able to track down
Nick Reiner hours after his sister discovered the parents' bodies
there in Brentwood and are able to figure out that
he did book a hotel room after he killed his parents.
So LAPD Robbery Homicide detectives show up at that hotel
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looking for evidence, blood weapon whatever. This was the Pierside
Santa Monica Hotel and the detectives showed up around a
Monday around one am. So, remember the bodies are found
about three point thirty and Sunday. They think that maybe
they were killed sometime in the early morning hours Saturday
into Sunday. But the front desk clerk allows detectives obviously
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into Nick Reiner's room, room two oh seven, and there
they found that a maid had discovered blood in the
shower as well as blood on the bed sheets. He
checked in about four fifteen am Sunday. Hotel staffer believed
he was tweaked out when he did. They thought that
he was high on some sort of stimulant. Sourses say
(16:42):
that when he checked in, he bought four heinekens and
a bottle of water inside the hotel lobby shop. The
beers were non alcoholic, but unclear if he knew that.
Why would you buy four non alcohol beers?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Because he didn't know? Because if he's tweaked out, he's
not that strategic, was he. We talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I mean just the nature of if you're going to
stab two people brutally, you've got blood all over you.
So was he covered in blood when when he checked
into the hotel or was he wearing something over clothing?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I heard through reports that he may have acquired clothes,
bought clothes after the fact, so he could have gotten
a jacket I guess, maybe to cover to cover up
what was underneath. And so, you know, you found some
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information interesting about his rehab early on.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Again, this guy was very vocal and he had friends
that hosted podcasts and was very upfront with them and honest.
It appears in some of these podcast appearances. For example,
he said on a podcast called Dope hosted by one
of his friends, that he had been in rehab eighteen
times while a teenager. Now we knew that he'd been
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in rehab multiple times, but we were doing the math,
which would have been you know, started when he was fifteen.
He's now thirty two, averages out to about once a year.
He's talking about having been in rehab eighteen times in
five years while he was a teenager. At the age
of fourteen, he'd apparently gone to a party at a
friend's house in la and he took one of the
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kids that was there, took pills that included percocet and xanax,
and ended up passing out on a bed, became non responsive,
so they took him to the hospital. Nick actually went
to the hospital with that boy's family, where he told
a stranger, again, I don't know what's going on, but
he tells a stranger what happened.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
While he was waiting outside.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That woman called his mother, Nick's mother, Michelle, despite the
fact Nick said, please don't tell my mom. Michelle comes
to pick him up. The woman makes Nick repeat the
story to mom Michelle, and he said, I was seconds
away from not being a track, which is a weird
thing to say, but it makes it sound like he
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believed that if Mom hadn't been there and he was
able to deal with this on his own, he never
would have gone to rehab, because she sent him to
rehab right away. She sent him to rehab after that
incident at fourteen years old, at fourteen years old, fourteen
or fifteen, something like that. And he said that first
stint in rehab, he spent four months, he said, one
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hundred and twenty six days with a heroin addict as
a roommate who told him how great shooting up heroin was.
Now we've talked before. You and I probably both know
people who have been to rehab. Sometimes it works and
sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes the threat of rehab is enough
to get somebody to drop what they're doing. Yesterday, we
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heard from multiple people who would leave us talk back
messages who said things like, I was I loved my
drugs until I found out I was going to be
a dad, or I love we used to do drugs
all the time until we start a family and stopped
at Cold Turkey without going to rehab, without going to
you know whatever, seeking outside help. This guy makes it
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sound like if it hadn't been for rehab, he might
not have been going down that path because he said
he taught, he thought about it, the seed was planted
in his mind about heroin specifically, yeah, because the other.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Guy in the room was telling him how the damage
probably has already done in his brain chemistry.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Because if you went to rehab at fourteen after your
friend was caught with adderall and you had Gary Hoffman
had a roommate talking about heroin, you would not leave
that place and seek it out. You just wouldn't, because
your brain's not wired like that. Some of us have
brains wired to seek that dopamine or that addiction or
what have you. Some of us don't. And that's just
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that's just brain science. Who knows I will say, man
at fourteen years old to be exposed to a heroin
addict for one hundred and twent twenty six days, that's something.
But I mean again, we don't know if that's true.
We don't know if that story is true or what
have you, but it does shed light on some things. Now,
a lot has been said about addiction and about mental health.
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We haven't heard specifically if Nick Reiner was diagnosed with
a mental health issue. We can use our common sense
and believe that he was at some point diagnosed with
some sort of personality disorder, whether it's you know, bipolar
or schizophrenia, what have you for a young man like
that to exhibit this type of behavior, Look for some
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sort of numbing qualities in drugs or what have you.
You've got to believe, and you've got to believe that
even if that's not the case, that's going to be
the defense, because how else you explain a stab in
a multiple stab wounds, free on your parents, to kill them,
slit their throats a whole bit. So a lot of
people realize that there is a mental health defense v
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you plead insanity mental health problems, but that is not
a defense in its own you cannot just say I'm
not mentally healthy and that's why I killed my parents
if that was the case, and most murderers would have
a solid defense and get away with it, because who
in their right mind kills anybody else?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Right, it's kind of the definitions, kind of the definitions, right.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
So what Alan Jackson, his attorney, is going to have
to do is prove that in the moment he didn't
know right from wrong, and that's the only way he
probably or he was unconscious or what have you, the
only way that that will be legally a defense that
gets him off of this.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
So we'll talk more about that when we come back.
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Speaker 3 (22:52):
It is where you're at Wednesday. Hey Gary and Shannon. Hi,
I am calling you from Savannah, Georgia. Oh welcome, Peter
are cold here?
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Hi Gary, Shannon.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
I'm listening from the Palm Springs area in Indio.
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I'm watching from what Louisville, Kentucky, or I mean I'm listening.
Hi Gary, Hi Shannon.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
This is David from Bullhead City, Arizona.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I listen to you guys all the time.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Hey Gary, Jennon. This is Kevin calling from Omaha, Nebraska.
I'm moving from Los Angeles to Connecticut. So I'm glad
to had you guys would be back to you.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, that's a long drive, and especially this time of year.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
You got some conditions you're going to have to deal with. Yeah,
California to Connecticut. David with that bullhead energy, I love it.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Arraiment for Nick Reiner has been postponed until January seventh.
He was supposed to be in court today. Not a
gigantic surprise.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
This is what I would say.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
This is what a good defense attorney would do. This
is what happens to pretty much every court case. No
one's ever ready. Everyone wants to kick the can down
the road. And every court case that happens in mid
December is one going to get kicked to January.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
It's just the way it is.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
There's just not a lot of court days that are
that are around this time of year because everyone takes
off for the holidays. Mentioned that it looks like they
probably will be shooting for some sort of insanity defense
or diminished capacity defense.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I would assume. I don't know. I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
But because he's had addiction and mental health issues in
the past, that seems to be the likely eventuality of
where the defense is headed. And you know, we don't
talk about it a lot. You can't just say someone's crazier,
they're insane. They've got to put on evidence that proves
that this guy knew right from wrong at the time
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of the or did not know excuse me, right from
wrong at the.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Time of the crime.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And him if he did, in fact, do things like
hide his bloody clothes, get new clothes, try to pretend like,
you know, leave for me, if I'm in that jury box,
leaving the scene of the murders is enough for me
to know he knew it was wrong.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
This is also there will be an issue when it
comes to venue because Rob Reiner, you can't you wouldn't
be able to hold a trial in LA I mean
Roberd being who he is, and.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
All the celebrities have been tried in LA I mean
Alan Jackson himself defended or prosecuted Phil Spector for the.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Murder of Lana Clark Center. True, but I don't know,
I mean, and that's way down the road there, And
why would you want to move it.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
If you're the defense in La La, you've gotten much
more sympathetic jury to mental illness than you do Santa Clarita.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I didn't think about that.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I just think that, I mean the amount of publicity that,
first of all, that has already gotten in the first
four days.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, that it will just continue to Also, Alan Jackson
wants all the cameras that exist. He's fine with it. Yeah,
he's just fine.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Well, I bought a sheep out of a vending machine
at pastathon.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
And what do you mean kind of well?
Speaker 7 (26:17):
I mean they didn't give you a sheep. It didn't
got bat out of the you're ruining the magic? Are
we going to ruin the magic of the holidays? Is
that what we're doing? The giving machine? You'll see it
all over southern California. What is this? What's the deal?
Why can you buy a sheep out of it? Heather
Burger will join us when we come back to Gary
and Shannon.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
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