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way tire buying should be. Yeah, alright, So I just
want to before we get into this conversation, I would
just like to point this out. Um, I want to
apologize to the rest of the staff here at Fox
Sports Radio and the rest of the people that use
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this are fine studio here, because I broke the bathroom door, um,
using the restroom a short time ago. So the door
handle completely came off just uh so you can no
longer close and lock the door. You can, it's just
when you when you go to pull the door, the
handle pops off, and so you've gotta like turn it
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and then slowly bring it open. I mean, it had
been loose for a while. But I think what what
happened was and obviously, you know, because I'm jacked that
my strength, pure strength, ripped the door handle off the
bathroom door, and thus now you know, could create some problems.
But I'm gonna I don't get out of that. I mean,
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anyone who's met you and it shook your hand knows
you have a strong grip. You've got really big forearms. Um.
Roberto's telling me you've been doing a lot of forum work.
I'm not sure what to attribute that too. But I'm
sure that plays a role that right, Roberto, Yeah, that
definitely does that cheer, does you know, I mean you
don't know big Michael Douglas movie. Now that is that
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is not me, that's that's Alberto. But nonetheless that is
the situation here. So I would like to apologize for
anybody that runs into an issue. Just bring your phone
in case you get locked into, you can call call somebody.
They'll they'll come open up the door. That mean, well,
so is it more about getting locked in or is
it more about potentially not being able to have any privacy?
Everyone could walk in on you. You can open it,
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you can even lock it when you get inside, but
it's the inside door handle that was ripped completely off
the door by my insane grip. So that's uh, I
think that's really easy. He is that like top three
worst places to be stuck or like I kind of
view that as one that's not that bad because at
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least if you have to go to the bathroom, you
have the ability to do so. There's a sink in there, right,
I mean, an elevator I think is at the top
of my list being the worst thing to be stuck.
I'm also gonna go with a coffin, and I think
I think that would that would probably suck. You know, Okay,
I just don't find any realistic scenario where you're gonna
find yourself trapped in a coffin unless you're part of
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a drug deal gone wrong. Well, you know, maybe maybe
somebody is trying to get an early start on things
and they go, well, when I go out, you know,
this is what I want to be looking at. And
so they get inside one, they have their buddy close it.
Next thing you know, they lock it and all of
a sudden, we've got a problem here. Like that, that
feels like it could be an issue. Shark cage probably
not ideal. Getting stuck in a shark cage wouldn't be
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a protected from the shark. Yeah, but you saw Jaws.
I mean I also, if they don't have to chum
the waters to get those things over to the cage,
it's not like once they dropped the cage and the
sharks are going, oh, let's go mess with this guy.
All right, let's just let's just let's just go scare
the crap out of I mean, listen that you're the
guy who you know, goes out on like nice little
quiet boat trips and then you look over and your
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daughter's four feet away from like a bull shark in
the water. So well, I mean, not that negligent as
a parent. No, I'm not saying it was like fifty yards. Okay,
I'm not. I'm not saying you as a parent. It's
just you were not given the proper instructions from whoever
took you out. But oh, by the way, there could
be sharks here, Like it was like those keg tosses,
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you see. I was launching my kids up into the boat.
I was, Debbie, what's wrong? I don't know them. As
soon as I saw in the water fiends to the limb,
I was like, all right, kids are out of here.
Jimmy pup just showed up fifty or that'll do it. Yeah,
that'll that'll do it. By the way, Um, at some point,
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do you think Sean McVeigh or is Petros calls him mcvape.
Do you think he just looks around and says, I'm
never gonna be able to beat the San Francisco forty
niners in a regular season game. Just never, Like it's
just like where we looking at is it eight straight
times now, oh Mike, and they won the NFC title
game last year. You can argue, you know, if not
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for a drop of Stafford interception, we'd be having a
whole different conversation. But it's at this point. I loved
the Rams in that matchup yesterday off of by no
Deebo Samuel. And so what did the forty Niners do?
They just said, Okay, well, we're gonna go ahead, and
we're gonna get Olivia Coppo's boyfriend into the game here,
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and he's gonna pull off the triple crown. He's gonna
pull off the touchdown pass, the touchdown run, the touchdown catch.
I mean, good god, Christian, she was really excited about
that when he got on. You're telling me I'm paying
Let me just check and see if I just want
to look at the yea. Let men do some researchers.
You want to hear. You want to hear from mcvape
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after the game, which which you don't have to think
he was probably hitting the vape pan pretty OK. I'll
wait till you hear these octaves. They outplayed us. It
doesn't have anything to do with all the history. Whatever
was They outplayed us in the second half. We didn't
make enough plays, and there's things that that we can
all do collectively to be a better part of it.
But that that's pretty much as plain and simple as
it gets in my opinion, fisted. There's a lot of
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truth though in this statement that the history doesn't matter
as a player as a coach. I mean those players
who weren't even a part of any of these previous matchups,
who are like, I don't give a rip. If San
Francisco has dominated us, this time is gonna be different.
And then you get your butt kicked and you're like, huh,
there's something to that. Maybe there's maybe something more there,
but it's it's brutal man and and the Rams they
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are a shell of themselves what they were last year.
I wasn't a misstic coming into the season, but I
thought they'd be a playoff team. Can I contrast this
to like other I guess kind of other I don't
want to say dynasties, but teams that have been able
to have more sustained success after a Super Bowl, Like
I think when you look at the Patriots and those
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runs with Britty and Belichick, when you look at even
the Seattle Seahawks, and we went back to back to
Super Bowls more recently or even I don't know if
you want to consider the Kensony Chiefs a part of
the conversation. But it never feels like anyone is satisfied.
And I think in part because you look at the
pieces that are there, like they were drafted there, they
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were kind of home grown into these spots to create
that culture, to create the environment that isn't ever really satisfied. Um,
whether we want to talk about the legion of Boom
and how that team was constructed in Russell Wilson, Marshall
Lynch and those guys, and how they kind of came
to that roster and came about Kansas City, you know,
similar in the success of that sustained success that they've had.
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Um New England similar in that and in that respect,
I think I think you had other veteran guys who
went there to go win, but they're doing it probably
at a discount, and then they were doing it and
if things didn't work out, like there's been some guys
like we kind of forget that didn't Reggie Wayne go
there for a training camp and hols it and then
left didn't stick around. Well there's there's other guys who
they brought in and they were like yeah, sorry, like
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that it's not gonna work. I think the difference here
is like the Rams and the whole f them picks,
that whole conversation once they want it's like, all right,
we did it. We did it. And I know they
talked about like running it back or whatever else the
slogan was. But the truth of the matter is, I
don't know. I mean, Aaron Donald was contemplating retirement. He
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gets a new deal and looks a little different von Miller.
I think if he felt like they had legitimate shot
of being able to win one, don't you think he
would have signed back. Don't you think he would have
looked around and gone like if I'm really gonna go
after chasing rings, like where do I want to go? Oh?
The Buffalo Bills bide way. I think that the money
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was on par I saw that somewhere that the offer
that the Rams were going to throw out there was
was on par with what he was getting from the
Bills maybe, and so it was really between those two teams.
But yeah, to your point, like he by the way,
there's taxes at each place. It's kind of a wash
when you really look at how you're being taxed and
if you want to dive into the numbers behind it,
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like there's not a significant gap between playing in l
A and playing in New York and what you get taxed.
So even if the numbers were close, it wasn't like, oh,
I might make a couple extra million here because there's
no state income tax. Not the case there. But I
just I think it's almost like there was this sense
of and I don't know Sean McVeigh probably won't say it,
or less Need or Matt Stafford, but that was what
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Stafford came there to do, and they did it. And
then you get to the point where you go, Okay,
like how hungry are they to get to the next one?
Like Matt Stafford, you know, has had an incredible career
and he got the one thing that was missing that wanted,
But like, is he really dying that bad to get
that second one? Is are any of the guys on
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that team like dying that bad to get that second
one who are a part of it last year? I
think that's the tough part because they were all brought
in essentially as mercenaries, most of them. I mean they
were paid, but they were brought into the Superstars to
go win one. They got to one, didn't win it.
They finally get to a second one they do win it.
And now it just feels like, all right, maybe maybe
we're good. We're gonna have to maybe build this thing
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back up a little more organically. Yeah, it's uh, they're
not making the playoffs. Uh. And and the money, the
betting odds would indicate that they're a minus one ninety
to make the playoff or to not make the playoffs.
So a heavy favorite on the l A Rams not
making the postseason. And I just I just wonder if
do you think mc vape do you think he looks
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around after losing to them again and just says, man,
I could have left this rivalry on a high note,
beating him in the NFC title Game, winning a super Bowl,
broadcasting gigs out there, and I could have gone this
to action, And now he comes back for all this.
I don't. I don't think mcveigh's long for the job there.
I just get I get this vibe. It's gonna be
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maybe next year and then he's out. Who knows, Maybe
it's maybe I'm just gonna say, like, how do you
know it's not after I just I don't I'll put
it this way. I don't think he's gonna stick around
for the aftermath of whatever whatever this rebuild is. I
don't think he's there for that. Let me just throw
out this hypothetical. I mean, it's it's assumed that when
Tom Brady has done, he's gonna enter into the broadcast booth.
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Why is if he doesn't like when was if one,
this isn't in his last year because of the personal
things going on, he now doesn't feel the pressure to
stop playing if he doesn't want to, and maybe he
doesn't want to leave on this note, the way this
season is gone, why he's not done playing and and
it's prolonged to the point where Fox feels like they
gotta go find someone or what happens if he just
gets done and says, yeah, I don't know that I
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want to do this. You know, I thought I did,
but now maybe I want to sit back and you know,
figure out my next steps, or go spend more time
with my family now that I'm done playing. If that's
the case, you'd have to think that they might go
back to a Gallex saw mcvah and say, you're here
in l A. You know, is is this working out
the way you wanted to? If not, we think you'd
be great on TV. You know, why why don't you
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come back over and we could provide you a contract,
maybe something similar to what we offered Tom Brady. Like
if you're Sean McVeigh, who obviously doesn't have the resume
of Tom Brady, but in a short stint the success
that he's had, it's gonna warrant you'd have to think
more than Romo. You'd have to think equivalent to to
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Troy Aikman or someone along those lines. That's a lot
of money to pass up on if you just want
to take a break from it all. And and and
by the way, I think he'd be a he'd be
a rock star TV. Unbelievable. I was just gonna say that,
I think he'd be fantastic, And like, look, you can
say whatever you want about Gruden. Gruden was great on TV.
He was like it. It's why it took ESPN so
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long to find the replacement for Gruden on Monday Night Football.
They finally got it done with with Joe Buck and
Troy Aikman, but they were looking everywhere to find to
replace Gruden because he was fantastic and nobody thought that
he was gonna be there as long as he was,
but he was great. I think McVeigh would be awesome.
I think great on TV. It just feels like he's exhausted,
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like he's worn out, and I think they've got to
be looking around and going, man, this could be headed
south in a hurry. And and you know we've talked
about it before. They kept kicking the can down the
road and kicking the can down the road and at
some point you were gonna have to pick it up.
And now they're gonna have to pick it up. And
they lose again to the forty niners. And by the way,
I don't buy for one second that he does said, Oh,
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it's not about the history. It's not about the history.
You don't think it's in his head just a little
bit that he can't beat Kyle Shanahan in the regular season.
It has to be in his head to a degree,
because as much as you want to give him credit
for his offensive prowess and success, it's really through the
Shanahan system. Like that's the reality of it. Every time
they square off. It's a schematic matchup of two teams
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that I would say are pretty evenly matched talent wise.
If you look at the rosters on paper, and Kyle
Shanahan takes him to the mat every time, and it's
like no, no, no no, no no, Like I taught you
everything you know about offensive football, and it's it's almost
like one of those demonstrations every time we see them
take one another on, like there's a little extra something
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to it for Kyle Shanahan. So I just I think
there's no doubt that it's in the back of Sean
mcveigh's mind. They're close enough where it's like one of
your buddies that you go out back and play horse
with and he always beats you, and you just can't
figure it out. And you're practicing a night, you're practicing
in the morning, and you still can't beat him no
matter what you do. At some point it's in the
back of your mind. You can't get over it. I could.
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I could never beat my buddy in tech Mobile like
he always dominated me. I beat him one time and
never played him again. That was it. It never played
him again. That's what mcveape. Should have done, should have
beaten him in the NFC title game and walked away,
And now here we are a gett, another couple of losses,
and all of a sudden, nobody's thinking about that NFC
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gonna be fun. Man. By the way, those Bears Orange
alternates are brutal. You don't like him? Oh my god,
it's awful. Yeah, just it looks like a bunch of
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just looked odd. Well, hey, in both ways this weekend
huh yeah, how bad? Huh? That's right, got that ass whooped.
That was a big one. Notre Dame's back, baby. Well
you've got another big orange team coming into town this
week in Clemson. And and by the way, a big
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weekend for for Notre Dame. Alum, right, obviously every weekend
is a big weekend for you. Cole commet with his
first touchdown in a couple of years. Chase Claypool threw
a touchdown lot handed. Yeah, who knew that, the left
handed Chase Claypool action. By the way, you buying that
he's like part of these trade conversations that there's some
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rumblings out there that he could be on the trade
block Chase Claypool. I think so because of really the
George Pickens development and pick you know, he looks like
he's gonna be able to step in along with Deante Johnson.
And so I'm not saying three's too many, but um,
if you're the Pittsburgh Steelers, you're looking at the season
saying maybe we want to start rebuilding Uh, maybe you're
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able to get some you know, draft picks back in
exchange for the compensation for him, and that might be
a move they end up making. And again that deadlines.
What tomorrow? Yeah? Is it tomorrow? Yeah? It was a
four Eastern time or I don't know whatever, Who cares,
it's it's NFL trade deadline. Not a lot happened, usually
the big, the big trade already took place. Christian McCaffrey's
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All right, the hell was that New Orleans yesterday? Man?
Was that the Dennis Allen revenge game? I mean it's
big phrase, right, Berto, Roberto? How are you doing, Bunny?
What do you want to hear. Josh McDaniels apologized to
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Roberto first, alright, so maybe this will maybe this will
soften the blow. Here was Josh McDaniel's post game I
apologize to Raider Nation for that performance, and again I
own that. That's that's my responsibility. So we have to
do much better, obviously, uh in in every phase of
the game to be able to compete with a team
like that who's well coached, has good players. I don't
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get it. I I kept looking at the screen going, no,
wait a second, and I guess there's somebody at a
stat yesterday that the first time they crossed the fifty
yard line. Q. Yeah it was, and that was a
STIDHAMN right, yeah, Jared Stidham was the first time they
crossed the fifty yard line yesterday. Go. It's h it's
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beginning to feel like I mean, you tell me, but
it feels like if Derek Carr doesn't improve, it gives
Josh McDaniels and the Raiders, because of their record, the
ability to go bring in someone else. I mean, it's
you've got a new regime there. This is a big year,
I think in that sense for Derek Carter to prove
himself even though they're a playoff team a year ago.
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I feel like Derek Carr really held that team together.
And I've said before it's a hard system in your
first year to really excel, you know. I remember talking
to Kyle Ordon when he initially got to Denver with
Josh McDaniels in the first head coaching stint. Remember they
got off to that six and no start. They were
on fire, and then things started to calm down, and
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I believe they finished the season eight and eight, and
so you know, obviously they were two and eight down
the stretch and that can and that's a lot of times,
you know, you have an initial kind of wave of okay, um,
this is what our offense looks like. How do we
continue to grow an adapt from there. It's just hard
in an offense that that's that complicated. I think it's
one of the reasons why even from Mat Patricia in
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New England, who's one of the same system, he's still
trying to figure out their identity as a play caller.
Like as much as people want to give Mac Jones
a hard time and what he looks like, and everyone's
chant for Bailey Zappy it's it's to me as much
to do with the offense and the play calling and
the lack of rhythm or the lack of figuring out
what's what's their identity, what can they consistently be successful
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with than anything else. But this one hurt for me.
To Roberto, my best bet of the week was the
over for the st So look, I'm not saying the
Saints necessarily did their part, but they almost got halfway there.
The over under was said at forty nine and a half,
so they did their portion of it. I didn't get
any help from the Raiters, so that one's stung quite
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a bit. All right, to Berto, you are the president
of Raiter Nation on this show and across America right now,
all right, just go ahead and let it all out,
all right, let it all out. That's embarrassing, man. They didn't.
They didn't. They didn't bother showing up. It's just how
does it happen? Johnathan dan Is supposed to be an
offensive guru, offensive genus, do you want to say? And
he scored zero points? Right these I'm gonna custom to
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these ten am clunkers by the Raiders, And it has
happened like the last four or five years where they
just don't bother showing up but to not score any points.
I just I don't know. I feel like I've blamed
this more on Josh McDaniels than anybody else. Davante Adams
at one catch, you have one catch? Yeah, I mean, hey,
you know it's better than none. You know, there's the
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bright side all this. And also they Josh Jacobs has
been the best player on that team all year and
he got stopped. He was held forty three yards on
the ground, and it just felt like they had no
other answer after that, Like I don't allegedly there was
another closed door meeting, the second one already, Uh what's
what good is that gonna do? Yeah? And I don't know,
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maybe they need to leave the door open. Yeah yeah,
I don't know how the closed door matters. And we're
all watching the same thing. We'd be a part of
the conversation that's brutal, man like. And I actually thought
we were talking last week and I said, man, it
feels like the Raiders are about to go on a run.
Like I just said. You saw them the way they
performed against against the Texans. They played the Chiefs hard,
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you know, they had that that weird game against Arizona.
They lost, but I felt like, okay, they could go
on a run here because you got New Orleans, you
got the Jags and the Colts after this. Those are
all obviously winnable games. And I would assume that they're
going to win those games that they're at Jacksonville coming
up next weeks at their early startime. But you're already
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calling it. You think they're gonna lose Berno, I don't
think so. I think they bounced back big. Yeah. I
think they got a shot for a bounce back. Come on,
come on, why don't you be a little McDaniels already
entire of that boom. Hey, by the way, early start time,
did you did you bend the elbow a little bit?
Did you get the right? So I was in like
three beers in and I saw that garbage in the
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last stop drinking, man, good for you. Most people go
the other way. They were winning. Probably would have been
hammer when did you get old? Odd? So that is
how you dictate whether or not you're to keep. Yeah,
is if they're playing poorly, you're not gonna waste your time.
(24:07):
I'm too old now for that for you good for you. Yeah,
people do go the other way that you just go. Well,
may as well get drunk just to kind of you know,
not good for you. That's discipline only on good time. Well, yeah,
what we do it? Take me like Eliscoes, Yeah, Austra
Eliscoes that early in the morning. Yeah, No, one took
me like, uh was it twenty nine years to finally
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figure out figure Yeah method? You back on Twitter, Roberto, No, no,
I mean to spot because obviously the Dodger didn't finish
the way you wanted to. And then now we've got
the garbage here. Yeah. Lakers one last night though, oh
yeah they are actually do they play and the players
actually playing they didn't want to play what I watch? Yeah,
(24:56):
it's uh, you know, you gotta be you gotta pick
and choose management games. Yeah, load Management's fun. Oh, there's
some other drama going on in the NBA. Good, thank
god for the NFL. Keep me away from that. Yes,
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Um Kenny pick it. Huh Kenny pick it. After the
Steelers getting man handled by the Philadelphia Eagles in the
Battle for Pennsylvania. Uh, he let it be known, not
exactly thrilled with some of the output from some of
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his teammates and indoor coaches. Here was the Steelers quarterback,
not Dizaeil guys, and you know what they're doing. Um,
you know, we need to studying more. I don't. I
don't think we study enough as a group. There's way
too many you know, penalties and stuff like that, which
you know we can control. It's all mental. Um, So
for that to happen, there's really no excuse for that.
So you know, we have to figure that out and
get it right. So there's there's your rookie quarterback calling
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some guys out. I mean, look at it's a it's
a ballsy move. But they didn't have nine penalties yesterday
for for sixty yards, which isn't that punitive. But the
nine penalties is unexcused for and I think it's been
a common theme, like when you're not a very good
football team. And at the Pittsburgh Steelers now at two
and six, I think anyone who's watching this year, they
fall into that category. At one point their defense was
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keeping them in games. Now their secondaries giving up big
play after big play. T J Watts there, it doesn't
seem like he's in any rush to get back, um
coming back from some injuries, but maybe taking his time
based on where the season is going. But um, it's
an interesting move by by Kenny Pickett. I mean, at
one point, one part you're you're a leader, you want
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to speak out and make sure things are acknowledged. But
I hope he's echoing what he's saying publicly behind closed
doors to his teammates, and that's something that's being said
to his teammates, because if you're trying to air out
a lot of those grievances to everyone else and not
telling those guys to their face before you're talking to
the media, that could become problem in the locker room.
But there's no doubt there's no room for a margin
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of error with the Steelers this year. They're just not
that good of a football team right now, and clearly
they've got their work cut out for him for the
rest of the season. Um, you know, sitting right now
at two wins, I don't think there's anyway anyway they
get to a winning record at this No chance. No,
it's over. Like they're they're they're just gonna be a
bad football team. They're gonna be a five, five, six
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win football team at best, and they're just gonna have
to wear it and then you hope they come back
next year. And I mean, but again, like this is
the back end of when you've had a Hall of
Fame quarterback for as long as they did. This is
what the aftermath looks like. Now you get to see
how a lot of these other teams live around the NFL.
I mean, it just it is, It is what it is.
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I mean, like, you know, the Indianapolis Colts, I mean,
they've been shuffling through and kind of rotating through quarterbacks.
They had, they thought they had, you know, Peyton Manning
into Andrew Luck and then now they're kind of waffling
back and forth to figure out who's going to be
their quarterback. And it just I don't know, man, I
thought that this could go this way this year. But
I think a lot of us just assumed, well, Mike
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tom has never had a losing record, he can figure
this thing out. But they're just not on the same
page as some of these other teams. But by far
and away the worst team in that division, Like they're
worse in Cleveland. Yeah, I mean, especially when you you
think about Cleveland's playing with Jacoby Brissett, who's who's largely
been viewed as a backup there, right, I mean, you're
trying to hang on until Deshaun Watson can get there
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Gary at least get out on the field if he's
not on a massage table. So that's I mean there.
But you know, again, Cleveland hasn't been a team that
I think their record could look drastically different if not
for the ability to close out some of these games.
I mean, we'll see how tonight's game goes, but that's
been a team that's been incredibly mismanaging. It will be
interesting to see what happens if even when Deshaun Watson
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comes back there, they're still facing some of the same struggles.
But right now, I think you'd still pick Cleveland over
over Pittsburgh based on how they've low. Best guess Steelers
are sitting with two wins right now, and this is
according to our friends of DraftKings. What do you think
they're adjusted wind total? Is they're over underwind total is
for the remainder of the sea or in total with
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with the games they've got left? What would you say?
So they had nine games left right, um, and I'm
not even looking at their schedule. I would imagine they're
adjusted wind total over unders like five and a half.
Brady Quinn, you have done it that, correct, Brady Quinn
has done it. Man. This guy is a gambling savant,
all right, right? What do you think you know everything
about him? Okay, Golden Arm winner, Heisman Trophy finalist, what
(29:39):
are the star? First round draft pick? Radio star? Now
a gambling savant? You can add to the resume. Well,
I would just say this, like, where's the silver lining?
I mean t J Watt coming back? We we I've
talked about this before. I don't know if LaVar has
mentioned are touched on it. I was a part of
some some bad football teams, and one of the toughest
parts is as a quarterback when things don't go well,
(30:00):
when you're at that halfway point, there's some guys who
are like, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and just get
this surgery, to get this taken care of, and one
further review of my shoulders really killing me. Yeah, people,
and look, it could be and they might be playing
through it because they want to have a shot at
going to the playoffs that were winning the division and
trying to win a Super Bowl. But there's times when
you get players who just say, all right, I'm gonna
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start looking out for me the rest of the season
of my health and well being. And it's understandable. You know,
no one's gonna hold that against him. But the hard
thing is is you've got a lot of games left
to be played. And yes, it presents an opportunity for
other players, there's still a sense of this thing could
go downhill fast. What it's all said and done. Yeah,
it's it's not looking good for Pittsburgh. It is two
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little bit of an issue. LaVar is not here, So Berto,
you want to make you make the pixel LaVar? Come on, Berto,
come on, burm on alright, So Lee, how do we
do last week? Do we have what were the results
on last week's prop that Monster Last week we had
a three way tie. Yeah, we got one right last week?
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So season standings? Am I still dead last? You are
far in a way dead lest? Why don't you just
say dead last dead lest? Yeah, we don't need to
add on to it. That would be fine because I
actually have the balls to to go for long shots,
unlike these guys. I don't think odds is what we're
playing here though, So why would you go for a longshow?
We should trying to reinvent the game here, right, that's
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how it's done. All right, all right? What do we
got for tonightly? Alright? Bengals at Brown's most rushing yard?
Is it gonna be Nick Chubb or the field? M hmm?
This is this is gonna fat You're taking Chub? I
mean you have to think about this. Cream Hunt has
been rumored to be up for a trade for Brown.
Pick right, Well, no, but you think that Chubb will
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get more curious cause you don't want to Hunt to
get injured, so maybe he doesn't get as many touches.
And then on the flip side, the Bengals don't have
Jamaar Chase and the Browns have been awful against the
run this year, so maybe Joe Mixon is going to
be more featured than you're realizing this one. I'm gonna
take the field because I think if there's one thing
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you're trying to stop on Cleveland's offense, it is Nick Chubb. Damn.
I think you're right, all right? What else we got?
First Halloween song they play heading to commercials? Is gonna
be the Halloween theme song Thriller by Michael Jackson, Monster
Mash or the Ghostbusters theme? Oh? Thriller? Oh you're gonn
worried about the optics, say, I'm gonna go Monster Mash. Now,
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look the Halloween themes the best Halloween song on the planet.
There's nothing that's going to come close to it. It's simple,
it's should Yeah, it's very It's just there's not a
lot going on, but it's really really effective that Halloween theme.
But I think it's gonna be Monster Mash because they
want to keep it kind of a little bit festive
and upbeat. And I'm not sure that you know Thriller
by Michael Jackson, with all the other storylines surrounding the
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Cleveland Brown Brown's is probably the best best way to
go Monster Mash. Yeah, you think it's monster mash. Yeah,
it feels like they're the right call. There. What else
we got? Lee Jamaar chases out. So who leads the Bengals?
And receptions will be t Higgins, Tyler Boyd, Hayden Hurst
or Joe Mixon receptions? Right? Those receptions? Yes, I'm gonna
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say Tyler boy Yeah, I am too. Wait, who'd you say,
boy Tyler Boyd? There you go? Yeah? Hey, who plays
quarterback for the Bengals. It is so good. I will
go on Tyler Boyd as well too. But Joe Mixon
could be a possibility there also. Yeah, maybe what else
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we go? The first turnover of the game? Will it
be an interception of fumble or no turnover at all?
What's the weather like, I'm gonna say a fumble. I'm
gonna say a fumble? What what's the what it's gonna be?
Now we don't that's not the TV's broken. It's like
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the bathroom door. Uh so, I mean we're looking at
like forty nine degrees at kickoff appears to be dry.
I'm gonna go interception, go interception? Lee, what a nice guy?
What was that? Uh? Interception? Fumble or no turnover at all? No?
Turnover at all nice, It's all right, you guys. Last one,
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No or no because he already looks like one, because
it already looks like it looks like it burns it.
No or no because Stefanski already looks like a werewolf.
It looks like a warwold. Okay, there, I think there,
this guy does look like a werewolf. Girl beard in
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way tire buying should be. Yeah, alright, So I just
want to before we get into this conversation, I would
just like to point this out. Um, I want to
apologize to the rest of the staff here at Fox
Sports Radio and the rest of the people that use
(01:27):
this are fine studio here, because I broke the bathroom door, um,
using the restroom a short time ago. So the door
handle completely came off just uh so you can no
longer close and lock the door. You can, it's just
when you when you go to pull the door, the
handle pops off, and so you've gotta like turn it
(01:49):
and then slowly bring it open. I mean, it had
been loose for a while. But I think what what
happened was and obviously, you know, because I'm jacked that
my strength, pure strength, ripped the door handle off the
bathroom door, and thus now you know, could create some problems.
But I'm gonna I don't get out of that. I mean,
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anyone who's met you and it shook your hand knows
you have a strong grip. You've got really big forearms. Um.
Roberto's telling me you've been doing a lot of forum work.
I'm not sure what to attribute that too. But I'm
sure that plays a role that right, Roberto, Yeah, that
definitely does that cheer, does you know, I mean you
don't know big Michael Douglas movie. Now that is that
(02:34):
is not me, that's that's Alberto. But nonetheless that is
the situation here. So I would like to apologize for
anybody that runs into an issue. Just bring your phone
in case you get locked into, you can call call somebody.
They'll they'll come open up the door. That mean, well,
so is it more about getting locked in or is
it more about potentially not being able to have any privacy?
Everyone could walk in on you. You can open it,
(02:56):
you can even lock it when you get inside, but
it's the inside door handle that was ripped completely off
the door by my insane grip. So that's uh, I
think that's really easy. He is that like top three
worst places to be stuck or like I kind of
view that as one that's not that bad because at
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least if you have to go to the bathroom, you
have the ability to do so. There's a sink in there, right,
I mean, an elevator I think is at the top
of my list being the worst thing to be stuck.
I'm also gonna go with a coffin, and I think
I think that would that would probably suck. You know, Okay,
I just don't find any realistic scenario where you're gonna
find yourself trapped in a coffin unless you're part of
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a drug deal gone wrong. Well, you know, maybe maybe
somebody is trying to get an early start on things
and they go, well, when I go out, you know,
this is what I want to be looking at. And
so they get inside one, they have their buddy close it.
Next thing you know, they lock it and all of
a sudden, we've got a problem here. Like that, that
feels like it could be an issue. Shark cage probably
not ideal. Getting stuck in a shark cage wouldn't be
(04:02):
a protected from the shark. Yeah, but you saw Jaws.
I mean I also, if they don't have to chum
the waters to get those things over to the cage,
it's not like once they dropped the cage and the
sharks are going, oh, let's go mess with this guy.
All right, let's just let's just let's just go scare
the crap out of I mean, listen that you're the
guy who you know, goes out on like nice little
quiet boat trips and then you look over and your
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daughter's four feet away from like a bull shark in
the water. So well, I mean, not that negligent as
a parent. No, I'm not saying it was like fifty yards. Okay,
I'm not. I'm not saying you as a parent. It's
just you were not given the proper instructions from whoever
took you out. But oh, by the way, there could
be sharks here, Like it was like those keg tosses,
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you see. I was launching my kids up into the boat.
I was, Debbie, what's wrong? I don't know them. As
soon as I saw in the water fiends to the limb,
I was like, all right, kids are out of here.
Jimmy pup just showed up fifty or that'll do it. Yeah,
that'll that'll do it. By the way, Um, at some point,
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do you think Sean McVeigh or is Petros calls him mcvape.
Do you think he just looks around and says, I'm
never gonna be able to beat the San Francisco forty
niners in a regular season game. Just never, Like it's
just like where we looking at is it eight straight
times now, oh Mike, and they won the NFC title
game last year. You can argue, you know, if not
(05:29):
for a drop of Stafford interception, we'd be having a
whole different conversation. But it's at this point. I loved
the Rams in that matchup yesterday off of by no
Deebo Samuel. And so what did the forty Niners do?
They just said, Okay, well, we're gonna go ahead, and
we're gonna get Olivia Coppo's boyfriend into the game here,
(05:50):
and he's gonna pull off the triple crown. He's gonna
pull off the touchdown pass, the touchdown run, the touchdown catch.
I mean, good god, Christian, she was really excited about
that when he got on. You're telling me I'm paying
Let me just check and see if I just want
to look at the yea. Let men do some researchers.
You want to hear. You want to hear from mcvape
(06:11):
after the game, which which you don't have to think
he was probably hitting the vape pan pretty OK. I'll
wait till you hear these octaves. They outplayed us. It
doesn't have anything to do with all the history. Whatever
was They outplayed us in the second half. We didn't
make enough plays, and there's things that that we can
all do collectively to be a better part of it.
But that that's pretty much as plain and simple as
it gets in my opinion, fisted. There's a lot of
(06:34):
truth though in this statement that the history doesn't matter
as a player as a coach. I mean those players
who weren't even a part of any of these previous matchups,
who are like, I don't give a rip. If San
Francisco has dominated us, this time is gonna be different.
And then you get your butt kicked and you're like, huh,
there's something to that. Maybe there's maybe something more there,
but it's it's brutal man and and the Rams they
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are a shell of themselves what they were last year.
I wasn't a misstic coming into the season, but I
thought they'd be a playoff team. Can I contrast this
to like other I guess kind of other I don't
want to say dynasties, but teams that have been able
to have more sustained success after a Super Bowl, Like
I think when you look at the Patriots and those
(07:16):
runs with Britty and Belichick, when you look at even
the Seattle Seahawks, and we went back to back to
Super Bowls more recently or even I don't know if
you want to consider the Kensony Chiefs a part of
the conversation. But it never feels like anyone is satisfied.
And I think in part because you look at the
pieces that are there, like they were drafted there, they
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were kind of home grown into these spots to create
that culture, to create the environment that isn't ever really satisfied. Um,
whether we want to talk about the legion of Boom
and how that team was constructed in Russell Wilson, Marshall
Lynch and those guys, and how they kind of came
to that roster and came about Kansas City, you know,
similar in the success of that sustained success that they've had.
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Um New England similar in that and in that respect,
I think I think you had other veteran guys who
went there to go win, but they're doing it probably
at a discount, and then they were doing it and
if things didn't work out, like there's been some guys
like we kind of forget that didn't Reggie Wayne go
there for a training camp and hols it and then
left didn't stick around. Well there's there's other guys who
they brought in and they were like yeah, sorry, like
(08:20):
that it's not gonna work. I think the difference here
is like the Rams and the whole f them picks,
that whole conversation once they want it's like, all right,
we did it. We did it. And I know they
talked about like running it back or whatever else the
slogan was. But the truth of the matter is, I
don't know. I mean, Aaron Donald was contemplating retirement. He
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gets a new deal and looks a little different von Miller.
I think if he felt like they had legitimate shot
of being able to win one, don't you think he
would have signed back. Don't you think he would have
looked around and gone like if I'm really gonna go
after chasing rings, like where do I want to go? Oh?
The Buffalo Bills bide way. I think that the money
(09:03):
was on par I saw that somewhere that the offer
that the Rams were going to throw out there was
was on par with what he was getting from the
Bills maybe, and so it was really between those two teams.
But yeah, to your point, like he by the way,
there's taxes at each place. It's kind of a wash
when you really look at how you're being taxed and
if you want to dive into the numbers behind it,
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like there's not a significant gap between playing in l
A and playing in New York and what you get taxed.
So even if the numbers were close, it wasn't like, oh,
I might make a couple extra million here because there's
no state income tax. Not the case there. But I
just I think it's almost like there was this sense
of and I don't know Sean McVeigh probably won't say it,
or less Need or Matt Stafford, but that was what
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Stafford came there to do, and they did it. And
then you get to the point where you go, Okay,
like how hungry are they to get to the next one?
Like Matt Stafford, you know, has had an incredible career
and he got the one thing that was missing that wanted,
But like, is he really dying that bad to get
that second one? Is are any of the guys on
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that team like dying that bad to get that second
one who are a part of it last year? I
think that's the tough part because they were all brought
in essentially as mercenaries, most of them. I mean they
were paid, but they were brought into the Superstars to
go win one. They got to one, didn't win it.
They finally get to a second one they do win it.
And now it just feels like, all right, maybe maybe
we're good. We're gonna have to maybe build this thing
(10:26):
back up a little more organically. Yeah, it's uh, they're
not making the playoffs. Uh. And and the money, the
betting odds would indicate that they're a minus one ninety
to make the playoff or to not make the playoffs.
So a heavy favorite on the l A Rams not
making the postseason. And I just I just wonder if
do you think mc vape do you think he looks
(10:46):
around after losing to them again and just says, man,
I could have left this rivalry on a high note,
beating him in the NFC title Game, winning a super Bowl,
broadcasting gigs out there, and I could have gone this
to action, And now he comes back for all this.
I don't. I don't think mcveigh's long for the job there.
I just get I get this vibe. It's gonna be
(11:09):
maybe next year and then he's out. Who knows, Maybe
it's maybe I'm just gonna say, like, how do you
know it's not after I just I don't I'll put
it this way. I don't think he's gonna stick around
for the aftermath of whatever whatever this rebuild is. I
don't think he's there for that. Let me just throw
out this hypothetical. I mean, it's it's assumed that when
Tom Brady has done, he's gonna enter into the broadcast booth.
(11:32):
Why is if he doesn't like when was if one,
this isn't in his last year because of the personal
things going on, he now doesn't feel the pressure to
stop playing if he doesn't want to, and maybe he
doesn't want to leave on this note, the way this
season is gone, why he's not done playing and and
it's prolonged to the point where Fox feels like they
gotta go find someone or what happens if he just
gets done and says, yeah, I don't know that I
(11:54):
want to do this. You know, I thought I did,
but now maybe I want to sit back and you know,
figure out my next steps, or go spend more time
with my family now that I'm done playing. If that's
the case, you'd have to think that they might go
back to a Gallex saw mcvah and say, you're here
in l A. You know, is is this working out
the way you wanted to? If not, we think you'd
be great on TV. You know, why why don't you
(12:15):
come back over and we could provide you a contract,
maybe something similar to what we offered Tom Brady. Like
if you're Sean McVeigh, who obviously doesn't have the resume
of Tom Brady, but in a short stint the success
that he's had, it's gonna warrant you'd have to think
more than Romo. You'd have to think equivalent to to
(12:35):
Troy Aikman or someone along those lines. That's a lot
of money to pass up on if you just want
to take a break from it all. And and and
by the way, I think he'd be a he'd be
a rock star TV. Unbelievable. I was just gonna say that,
I think he'd be fantastic, And like, look, you can
say whatever you want about Gruden. Gruden was great on TV.
He was like it. It's why it took ESPN so
(12:56):
long to find the replacement for Gruden on Monday Night Football.
They finally got it done with with Joe Buck and
Troy Aikman, but they were looking everywhere to find to
replace Gruden because he was fantastic and nobody thought that
he was gonna be there as long as he was,
but he was great. I think McVeigh would be awesome.
I think great on TV. It just feels like he's exhausted,
(13:17):
like he's worn out, and I think they've got to
be looking around and going, man, this could be headed
south in a hurry. And and you know we've talked
about it before. They kept kicking the can down the
road and kicking the can down the road and at
some point you were gonna have to pick it up.
And now they're gonna have to pick it up. And
they lose again to the forty niners. And by the way,
I don't buy for one second that he does said, Oh,
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it's not about the history. It's not about the history.
You don't think it's in his head just a little
bit that he can't beat Kyle Shanahan in the regular season.
It has to be in his head to a degree,
because as much as you want to give him credit
for his offensive prowess and success, it's really through the
Shanahan system. Like that's the reality of it. Every time
they square off. It's a schematic matchup of two teams
(14:02):
that I would say are pretty evenly matched talent wise.
If you look at the rosters on paper, and Kyle
Shanahan takes him to the mat every time, and it's
like no, no, no no, no no, Like I taught you
everything you know about offensive football, and it's it's almost
like one of those demonstrations every time we see them
take one another on, like there's a little extra something
(14:24):
to it for Kyle Shanahan. So I just I think
there's no doubt that it's in the back of Sean
mcveigh's mind. They're close enough where it's like one of
your buddies that you go out back and play horse
with and he always beats you, and you just can't
figure it out. And you're practicing a night, you're practicing
in the morning, and you still can't beat him no
matter what you do. At some point it's in the
back of your mind. You can't get over it. I could.
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I could never beat my buddy in tech Mobile like
he always dominated me. I beat him one time and
never played him again. That was it. It never played
him again. That's what mcveape. Should have done, should have
beaten him in the NFC title game and walked away,
And now here we are a gett, another couple of losses,
and all of a sudden, nobody's thinking about that NFC
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I wish we could do this every holiday weekend. Both
teams are orange, kind of has that festive. It's just
gonna be fun. Man. By the way, those Bears Orange
alternates are brutal. You don't like him? Oh my god,
it's awful. Yeah, just it looks like a bunch of
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street cones on and around. It looks like Syracuse. Then yeah, yeah,
just looked odd. Well, hey, in both ways this weekend
huh yeah, how bad? Huh? That's right, got that ass whooped.
That was a big one. Notre Dame's back, baby. Well
you've got another big orange team coming into town this
week in Clemson. And and by the way, a big
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weekend for for Notre Dame. Alum, right, obviously every weekend
is a big weekend for you. Cole commet with his
first touchdown in a couple of years. Chase Claypool threw
a touchdown lot handed. Yeah, who knew that, the left
handed Chase Claypool action. By the way, you buying that
he's like part of these trade conversations that there's some
(17:42):
rumblings out there that he could be on the trade
block Chase Claypool. I think so because of really the
George Pickens development and pick you know, he looks like
he's gonna be able to step in along with Deante Johnson.
And so I'm not saying three's too many, but um,
if you're the Pittsburgh Steelers, you're looking at the season
saying maybe we want to start rebuilding Uh, maybe you're
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able to get some you know, draft picks back in
exchange for the compensation for him, and that might be
a move they end up making. And again that deadlines.
What tomorrow? Yeah? Is it tomorrow? Yeah? It was a
four Eastern time or I don't know whatever, Who cares,
it's it's NFL trade deadline. Not a lot happened, usually
the big, the big trade already took place. Christian McCaffrey's
a forty niner. Uh and uh, you know he caused
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uh Sean mcveabe to lose his mind after the game.
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All right, the hell was that New Orleans yesterday? Man?
Was that the Dennis Allen revenge game? I mean it's
big phrase, right, Berto, Roberto? How are you doing, Bunny?
What do you want to hear. Josh McDaniels apologized to
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Roberto first, alright, so maybe this will maybe this will
soften the blow. Here was Josh McDaniel's post game I
apologize to Raider Nation for that performance, and again I
own that. That's that's my responsibility. So we have to
do much better, obviously, uh in in every phase of
the game to be able to compete with a team
like that who's well coached, has good players. I don't
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get it. I I kept looking at the screen going, no,
wait a second, and I guess there's somebody at a
stat yesterday that the first time they crossed the fifty
yard line. Q. Yeah it was, and that was a
STIDHAMN right, yeah, Jared Stidham was the first time they
crossed the fifty yard line yesterday. Go. It's h it's
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beginning to feel like I mean, you tell me, but
it feels like if Derek Carr doesn't improve, it gives
Josh McDaniels and the Raiders, because of their record, the
ability to go bring in someone else. I mean, it's
you've got a new regime there. This is a big year,
I think in that sense for Derek Carter to prove
himself even though they're a playoff team a year ago.
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I feel like Derek Carr really held that team together.
And I've said before it's a hard system in your
first year to really excel, you know. I remember talking
to Kyle Ordon when he initially got to Denver with
Josh McDaniels in the first head coaching stint. Remember they
got off to that six and no start. They were
on fire, and then things started to calm down, and
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I believe they finished the season eight and eight, and
so you know, obviously they were two and eight down
the stretch and that can and that's a lot of times,
you know, you have an initial kind of wave of okay, um,
this is what our offense looks like. How do we
continue to grow an adapt from there. It's just hard
in an offense that that's that complicated. I think it's
one of the reasons why even from Mat Patricia in
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New England, who's one of the same system, he's still
trying to figure out their identity as a play caller.
Like as much as people want to give Mac Jones
a hard time and what he looks like, and everyone's
chant for Bailey Zappy it's it's to me as much
to do with the offense and the play calling and
the lack of rhythm or the lack of figuring out
what's what's their identity, what can they consistently be successful
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with than anything else. But this one hurt for me.
To Roberto, my best bet of the week was the
over for the st So look, I'm not saying the
Saints necessarily did their part, but they almost got halfway there.
The over under was said at forty nine and a half,
so they did their portion of it. I didn't get
any help from the Raiters, so that one's stung quite
(21:40):
a bit. All right, to Berto, you are the president
of Raiter Nation on this show and across America right now,
all right, just go ahead and let it all out,
all right, let it all out. That's embarrassing, man. They didn't.
They didn't. They didn't bother showing up. It's just how
does it happen? Johnathan dan Is supposed to be an
offensive guru, offensive genus, do you want to say? And
he scored zero points? Right these I'm gonna custom to
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these ten am clunkers by the Raiders, And it has
happened like the last four or five years where they
just don't bother showing up but to not score any points.
I just I don't know. I feel like I've blamed
this more on Josh McDaniels than anybody else. Davante Adams
at one catch, you have one catch? Yeah, I mean, hey,
you know it's better than none. You know, there's the
(22:23):
bright side all this. And also they Josh Jacobs has
been the best player on that team all year and
he got stopped. He was held forty three yards on
the ground, and it just felt like they had no
other answer after that, Like I don't allegedly there was
another closed door meeting, the second one already, Uh what's
what good is that gonna do? Yeah? And I don't know,
(22:43):
maybe they need to leave the door open. Yeah yeah,
I don't know how the closed door matters. And we're
all watching the same thing. We'd be a part of
the conversation that's brutal, man like. And I actually thought
we were talking last week and I said, man, it
feels like the Raiders are about to go on a run.
Like I just said. You saw them the way they
performed against against the Texans. They played the Chiefs hard,
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you know, they had that that weird game against Arizona.
They lost, but I felt like, okay, they could go
on a run here because you got New Orleans, you
got the Jags and the Colts after this. Those are
all obviously winnable games. And I would assume that they're
going to win those games that they're at Jacksonville coming
up next weeks at their early startime. But you're already
(23:24):
calling it. You think they're gonna lose Berno, I don't
think so. I think they bounced back big. Yeah. I
think they got a shot for a bounce back. Come on,
come on, why don't you be a little McDaniels already
entire of that boom. Hey, by the way, early start time,
did you did you bend the elbow a little bit?
Did you get the right? So I was in like
three beers in and I saw that garbage in the
(23:44):
last stop drinking, man, good for you. Most people go
the other way. They were winning. Probably would have been
hammer when did you get old? Odd? So that is
how you dictate whether or not you're to keep. Yeah,
is if they're playing poorly, you're not gonna waste your time.
(24:07):
I'm too old now for that for you good for you. Yeah,
people do go the other way that you just go. Well,
may as well get drunk just to kind of you know,
not good for you. That's discipline only on good time. Well, yeah,
what we do it? Take me like Eliscoes, Yeah, Austra
Eliscoes that early in the morning. Yeah, No, one took
me like, uh was it twenty nine years to finally
(24:32):
figure out figure Yeah method? You back on Twitter, Roberto, No, no,
I mean to spot because obviously the Dodger didn't finish
the way you wanted to. And then now we've got
the garbage here. Yeah. Lakers one last night though, oh
yeah they are actually do they play and the players
actually playing they didn't want to play what I watch? Yeah,
(24:56):
it's uh, you know, you gotta be you gotta pick
and choose management games. Yeah, load Management's fun. Oh, there's
some other drama going on in the NBA. Good, thank
god for the NFL. Keep me away from that. Yes,
all right, it is two pros and a cup of
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Um Kenny pick it. Huh Kenny pick it. After the
Steelers getting man handled by the Philadelphia Eagles in the
Battle for Pennsylvania. Uh, he let it be known, not
exactly thrilled with some of the output from some of
(25:37):
his teammates and indoor coaches. Here was the Steelers quarterback,
not Dizaeil guys, and you know what they're doing. Um,
you know, we need to studying more. I don't. I
don't think we study enough as a group. There's way
too many you know, penalties and stuff like that, which
you know we can control. It's all mental. Um, So
for that to happen, there's really no excuse for that.
So you know, we have to figure that out and
get it right. So there's there's your rookie quarterback calling
(25:58):
some guys out. I mean, look at it's a it's
a ballsy move. But they didn't have nine penalties yesterday
for for sixty yards, which isn't that punitive. But the
nine penalties is unexcused for and I think it's been
a common theme, like when you're not a very good
football team. And at the Pittsburgh Steelers now at two
and six, I think anyone who's watching this year, they
fall into that category. At one point their defense was
(26:21):
keeping them in games. Now their secondaries giving up big
play after big play. T J Watts there, it doesn't
seem like he's in any rush to get back, um
coming back from some injuries, but maybe taking his time
based on where the season is going. But um, it's
an interesting move by by Kenny Pickett. I mean, at
one point, one part you're you're a leader, you want
(26:41):
to speak out and make sure things are acknowledged. But
I hope he's echoing what he's saying publicly behind closed
doors to his teammates, and that's something that's being said
to his teammates, because if you're trying to air out
a lot of those grievances to everyone else and not
telling those guys to their face before you're talking to
the media, that could become problem in the locker room.
But there's no doubt there's no room for a margin
(27:04):
of error with the Steelers this year. They're just not
that good of a football team right now, and clearly
they've got their work cut out for him for the
rest of the season. Um, you know, sitting right now
at two wins, I don't think there's anyway anyway they
get to a winning record at this No chance. No,
it's over. Like they're they're they're just gonna be a
bad football team. They're gonna be a five, five, six
(27:25):
win football team at best, and they're just gonna have
to wear it and then you hope they come back
next year. And I mean, but again, like this is
the back end of when you've had a Hall of
Fame quarterback for as long as they did. This is
what the aftermath looks like. Now you get to see
how a lot of these other teams live around the NFL.
I mean, it just it is, It is what it is.
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I mean, like, you know, the Indianapolis Colts, I mean,
they've been shuffling through and kind of rotating through quarterbacks.
They had, they thought they had, you know, Peyton Manning
into Andrew Luck and then now they're kind of waffling
back and forth to figure out who's going to be
their quarterback. And it just I don't know, man, I
thought that this could go this way this year. But
I think a lot of us just assumed, well, Mike
(28:08):
tom has never had a losing record, he can figure
this thing out. But they're just not on the same
page as some of these other teams. But by far
and away the worst team in that division, Like they're
worse in Cleveland. Yeah, I mean, especially when you you
think about Cleveland's playing with Jacoby Brissett, who's who's largely
been viewed as a backup there, right, I mean, you're
trying to hang on until Deshaun Watson can get there
(28:29):
Gary at least get out on the field if he's
not on a massage table. So that's I mean there.
But you know, again, Cleveland hasn't been a team that
I think their record could look drastically different if not
for the ability to close out some of these games.
I mean, we'll see how tonight's game goes, but that's
been a team that's been incredibly mismanaging. It will be
interesting to see what happens if even when Deshaun Watson
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comes back there, they're still facing some of the same struggles.
But right now, I think you'd still pick Cleveland over
over Pittsburgh based on how they've low. Best guess Steelers
are sitting with two wins right now, and this is
according to our friends of DraftKings. What do you think
they're adjusted wind total? Is they're over underwind total is
for the remainder of the sea or in total with
(29:13):
with the games they've got left? What would you say?
So they had nine games left right, um, and I'm
not even looking at their schedule. I would imagine they're
adjusted wind total over unders like five and a half.
Brady Quinn, you have done it that, correct, Brady Quinn
has done it. Man. This guy is a gambling savant,
all right, right? What do you think you know everything
about him? Okay, Golden Arm winner, Heisman Trophy finalist, what
(29:39):
are the star? First round draft pick? Radio star? Now
a gambling savant? You can add to the resume. Well,
I would just say this, like, where's the silver lining?
I mean t J Watt coming back? We we I've
talked about this before. I don't know if LaVar has
mentioned are touched on it. I was a part of
some some bad football teams, and one of the toughest
parts is as a quarterback when things don't go well,
(30:00):
when you're at that halfway point, there's some guys who
are like, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and just get
this surgery, to get this taken care of, and one
further review of my shoulders really killing me. Yeah, people,
and look, it could be and they might be playing
through it because they want to have a shot at
going to the playoffs that were winning the division and
trying to win a Super Bowl. But there's times when
you get players who just say, all right, I'm gonna
(30:21):
start looking out for me the rest of the season
of my health and well being. And it's understandable. You know,
no one's gonna hold that against him. But the hard
thing is is you've got a lot of games left
to be played. And yes, it presents an opportunity for
other players, there's still a sense of this thing could
go downhill fast. What it's all said and done. Yeah,
it's it's not looking good for Pittsburgh. It is two
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So the problem bet Monster. Alright, so we got a
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little bit of an issue. LaVar is not here, So Berto,
you want to make you make the pixel LaVar? Come on, Berto,
come on, burm on alright, So Lee, how do we
do last week? Do we have what were the results
on last week's prop that Monster Last week we had
a three way tie. Yeah, we got one right last week?
(33:34):
So season standings? Am I still dead last? You are
far in a way dead lest? Why don't you just
say dead last dead lest? Yeah, we don't need to
add on to it. That would be fine because I
actually have the balls to to go for long shots,
unlike these guys. I don't think odds is what we're
playing here though, So why would you go for a longshow?
We should trying to reinvent the game here, right, that's
(33:55):
how it's done. All right, all right? What do we
got for tonightly? Alright? Bengals at Brown's most rushing yard?
Is it gonna be Nick Chubb or the field? M hmm?
This is this is gonna fat You're taking Chub? I
mean you have to think about this. Cream Hunt has
been rumored to be up for a trade for Brown.
Pick right, Well, no, but you think that Chubb will
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get more curious cause you don't want to Hunt to
get injured, so maybe he doesn't get as many touches.
And then on the flip side, the Bengals don't have
Jamaar Chase and the Browns have been awful against the
run this year, so maybe Joe Mixon is going to
be more featured than you're realizing this one. I'm gonna
take the field because I think if there's one thing
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you're trying to stop on Cleveland's offense, it is Nick Chubb. Damn.
I think you're right, all right? What else we got?
First Halloween song they play heading to commercials? Is gonna
be the Halloween theme song Thriller by Michael Jackson, Monster
Mash or the Ghostbusters theme? Oh? Thriller? Oh you're gonn
worried about the optics, say, I'm gonna go Monster Mash. Now,
(35:03):
look the Halloween themes the best Halloween song on the planet.
There's nothing that's going to come close to it. It's simple,
it's should Yeah, it's very It's just there's not a
lot going on, but it's really really effective that Halloween theme.
But I think it's gonna be Monster Mash because they
want to keep it kind of a little bit festive
and upbeat. And I'm not sure that you know Thriller
by Michael Jackson, with all the other storylines surrounding the
(35:26):
Cleveland Brown Brown's is probably the best best way to
go Monster Mash. Yeah, you think it's monster mash. Yeah,
it feels like they're the right call. There. What else
we got? Lee Jamaar chases out. So who leads the Bengals?
And receptions will be t Higgins, Tyler Boyd, Hayden Hurst
or Joe Mixon receptions? Right? Those receptions? Yes, I'm gonna
(35:48):
say Tyler boy Yeah, I am too. Wait, who'd you say,
boy Tyler Boyd? There you go? Yeah? Hey, who plays
quarterback for the Bengals. It is so good. I will
go on Tyler Boyd as well too. But Joe Mixon
could be a possibility there also. Yeah, maybe what else
(36:11):
we go? The first turnover of the game? Will it
be an interception of fumble or no turnover at all?
What's the weather like, I'm gonna say a fumble. I'm
gonna say a fumble? What what's the what it's gonna be?
Now we don't that's not the TV's broken. It's like
(36:32):
the bathroom door. Uh so, I mean we're looking at
like forty nine degrees at kickoff appears to be dry.
I'm gonna go interception, go interception? Lee, what a nice guy?
What was that? Uh? Interception? Fumble or no turnover at all? No?
Turnover at all nice, It's all right, you guys. Last one,
(36:55):
does Kevin Stefanski dressed like a werewolf for the game? Yes?
No or no because he already looks like one, because
it already looks like it looks like it burns it.
No or no because Stefanski already looks like a werewolf.
It looks like a warwold. Okay, there, I think there,
this guy does look like a werewolf. Girl beard in
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