November 25, 2022 • 41 mins
Brian Noe and Jason Martin are in for the guys and react live to Iran’s stunning victory over Wales in the World Cup. Jason and Brian dive into the College Football Playoff scenarios, and discuss what teams have the best shot to make the final four. Plus, the guys continue their Lane Kiffin talk, and try to navigate where he will end up coaching next season.
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Iran looks like they're about to beat Wales. That's how
we will welcome you back into Two Pros and a
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eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox that translates nine
six six three six nine man and now Iran scored again.
Just to add to it, this thing was eight minutes
into stoppage time of the nine that we thought we
were going to get Whales with ten players out there,
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and it makes a difference. So Whales is going to
lose here in Group B two to the two nil.
And this is not I mean, it looked like this
thing was going to go a little bit further. And
boy it comes to an end real real fast here.
And Iran. What a story from them and just the
bravery that they've had to show as a team with
some of the things that they have tried to do
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um in a country where look the difference between situations
Brian is Iran. These players can go back and be
executed by their government and they're still kind of standing
up for things that they believe in terms of human rights.
It's hard not to kind of root for these guys
because you know what they could potentially be walking back into,
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and yet they are using this platform to hopefully do
some good and now they're winning. Yeah, it's just wild
when you throw that layer on top of it where
it's hard to wrap your mind around that in the States,
you know what I mean, Like think about Team USA,
say in like basketball, if the government could just execute Lebron,
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you know what I mean, Like that that you can't
even wrap your mind around that, but that happens in
other countries. But as far as soccer goes, that's as
close to a buzzer beater as you're gonna get in soccer.
With the run scoring in what the ninety what? Yeah,
I was crazy. And then they add on the insurance goal.
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That could be a big deal for tiebreakers in Group B.
So it's not a good result for Team USA. They
wanted to draw in this thing. But Iran gets the
two nil win. That's huge for a run big It
is absolutely is scintillating to end that match on FS
one is where you could have seen that. Here we
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are on Fox Sports Radio tomorrow on Fox the game
Michigan Ohio State neon Eastern time at the Shoe. I
think that's where we can go here. We talked a
whole lot of NFL and we'll jump back into it
here a little bit later this hour, Brian, But not
just Ohio State Michigan, big time game for USC with
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Notre Dame. This is the last week really of the
college football regular season. How are you feeling right now
about some of these teams and especially this Ohio State
Michigan game where both teams at times have shown themselves
to be capable of a clunker. I think I would say, yeah, well,
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first off, about the whole slate, go irish, I'd just
like to say that real fast and south bend, so
let's get that out of the way. But credit credit
to your a freeman that could have gone off the
tracks early in the season and he has pulled it
back to get them ranked. That's that's a really solid finish.
Yeah it is. It started off really badly. He was
being clowned for losing his first three games, and it
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looks a lot better now if you're smacking around Clemson
and uh righting the ship. But as far as the
Michigan Ohio State game, to me, Jason, it's all about
Blake Corehum is the stud running back himself. Because if
he isn't, I just I think this has the potential
to get ugly, real fast. Because if Blake Corehum, who's
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rushed for almost fifteen hundred yards and eighteen touchdowns this season,
if he's limping around and just trying to gut it
out and there's more on J J. McCarthy shoulders, I
just don't trust that guy at all. And against Ohio State,
you need J J. McCarthy to match points with C. J. Stroud.
I just don't see it happening. You have to have
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Blake Corehum be special for Michigan to have a chance
in this game, is the way I see it. And
I don't want to make Ohio State out to be
some unbeatable type team. They barely squeaked by Maryland last week,
but against Michigan in a game that's been circled ever
since they got boat raced last year. If you've got
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Michigan wounded with Blake Coreum in a get back game
for Ohio State, that is not a good recipe for
Michigan at all. No. I mean they're gonna have to
be able to play Michigan football, which is control the clock,
run the ball, and play physical defense. And if you
don't have core Um. We saw it last week how
important Korum is to them, just based on how they
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had to escape uh their opponent, and that was not
It's not like they were playing Ohio State last week.
That was a struggle for them. They were able to
get through it. Um. I mean it, well, nois a
good football team, but I don't think anybody's mistaken them
for a college football playoff team. Illinois actually likes to
play very similar now Michigan plays. But I think you're right, uh,
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I don't like to core the back situation in Michigan.
I haven't liked it all year. McCarthy could be the guy,
but he's not the guy right now. Mcnamari's hurt. Mcnamary
at least once of games last year and was part
of a college football playoffs situation and then kind of
got Jimmy Jid and then McCarthy ended up keeping this
job as opposed to Trey Lance getting hurt and not
being able to stay on the field for the forty niners.
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But if they can't run the ball, I don't think
they can pass it at all. Like I wouldn't be
surprised if they don't have a hundred and fifty yards
through the air against Ohio State. This Ohio State team
I think is very beatable, just because there's times when
they have a little bit of a rams field to
me in terms of there's a little bit more flash
than there is substance. Because they again they can go
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out there and play kind of mediocre. Now they can
still win playing mediocre. And it wasn't just them pretty
much everybody that was ranked last week in the top
ten struggled to some degree outside of U c l
A getting the big win, but most of them were
able to escape. Ohio State has more talent than Michigan.
We knew that going into the season. Korum is the
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difference maker. I don't know what you have on offense
if you're Michigan, if you don't have that guy, and
I think you're right, I think you could easily become
you know, a three touchdown win for Ohio State of
Korum is not himself. Yeah, that's how I see it,
and I like the Jimmy g comparison. You're right, It's
that's why Jim Harbaugh switched quarterbacks. That's why he went
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from Kade McNamara, who was the quarterback last season when
they made it to the playoffs. They made it to
the College Football Playoff, and they still made a quarterback
change because he thought that J J. McCarthy had a
higher ceiling and he's better than Kate McNamara. I mean, honestly,
I think I still had a few throws in me.
I think I'm better than Kate McNamara at this point.
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But J J. McCarthy is much better. And if there's
more on his shoulders, I just I will be like
jaw hitting the floor. If this is a J. J.
Mc karthi game and he's just dealing, he's just dialing
them up and they Yeah, I don't see it at all.
I do not see it whatsoever. Their formula for success,
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it's just how you described. It's kind of like old
school Wisconsin. You know, it's run the ball, it's play
good defense. It's not air it out. It's not throw
the ball all over the place and match points with C. J. Stroud.
That's just not how they play. So if they're forced
to play that way, I just don't think they're gonna
be able to. Right now, who do you buy into
most of the the current top four. We're gonna extend
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this out and talk a little bit about l s
u VA VA USC and the college football rankings here
maybe in the next segment. But you saw Georgia. Georgia
outlasted Kentucky, but it wasn't a dominant performance. Ohio State
did what Ohio State did against lesser opposition in Maryland,
a team that had gotten blanked a week before by
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Penn State. We saw Michigan escape Illinois. We saw TCU
in the craziest fishing forty seconds, one of the most disjointed,
disorganized looking things. And then Sunny Dice comes out and says,
it only looks frantic. We practiced it every week. It's like, okay,
well it was one of the especially considering your kicker
missed an extra point like ten minutes before that and
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you had him literally sprint on the field and make
the kick. Now he did make it, and you're still undefeated,
But how are you feeling right now about the top
of the heap in college football? It's Georgia and everybody
else right now. And it's not to say that Georgia
can't be beaten. They can be. Like you mentioned, that
was uh less than it looked to be more comfortable
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for Georgia against Kentucky, but it really wasn't. Like that
was a closer game at the end than it should
have been. They barely beat Missouri. So it's just to
point out that they can be had we all know
how dominant they can be. The boat roast boat raced
or again, that was a comfortable win against Tennessee. They're
very talented team to fending champs. Very good defense. We
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all know that. The rest of the college football world like, yeah,
Ohio State, good, Michigan, good, DC, you good. But you know,
we saw it last week with Tennessee getting crushed by
South Carolina that was the number five team in the
country and they had nothing for Spencer Rattler and the
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game Cox. You know. So I just think beyond Georgia,
you have these wild results when it comes to the
top teams in college football, and uh do I think
USC could sneak in and just go just try to
out offense Georgia. Yeah, be kind of interesting. Their defense
is so terrible, absolutely hideous. Man. We knew last week
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I was I was on air with I was because
I was on air with Aaron Torres and and he
kept calling me nostre damas because I said, after every
touchdown was scored in that U S C U C
L a game, Well is about to come down and
score like immediately. They are rutal on defense, Which is
why I think Caleb Williams right now would have my
vote for the Heisman, because he has to go out
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there and get you fifty a game. He has to
go out there and throw you know, six touchdown passes,
he's gotta run in another one because he can't have
an empty trip because his defense is gonna give up
six in the other way. And you take away Travis
Die and for a quarter of the season, he hasn't
had Jordan Addison, He's been missing other weapons. He has
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to be special basically on every drive for them, and
they're gonna lose. Yeah, it's crazy. And USC had four
takeaways last week against u C. L A. Gave up
forty two points and one by three, Right, Like, how
does that? How do all those things happen? It did
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in that game. Their defense is just a wreck. But
I think, Jason, it's one of these deals where if
we had a twelve team playoff this season, I think
there's the recipe for a lot of crazy things to happen.
Maybe not, you know, like five or six teams could
win it all, but along the way, I think you
could have a lot of wild results. It's just that
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type of season in college football. I think it's Georgia
and then everybody else is the way it stacks up, right,
Yes see, I would agree with you, Like I mean,
if you got the shot, for example, to watch Oregon
in Michigan, Oregon in Ohio State, some of these other matchups.
I think L s USE a little bit overrated. I
think they're good, but I look at a two loss
L s U team and maybe we'll do this in
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the next second. We can kind of look at them
in USC and and what the college football playoff rankings are,
you would still have Tennessee in the mix. But that
that's still one of the most baffling things I've seen.
I not no one saw sixty three being hung by
South Carolina and Tennessee, and then of course the news
got worse with Hendon Hooker's a c O and hopefully
that's not going to affect him too much in the draft,
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because what an unbelievable season. But I agree with you.
I think that there are teams that are dangerous and
if you don't show up with your A game, and
we've seen every one of these teams, including Georgia this year,
has shown up with a B minus or a C
plus game, and I think it speaks to Georgia's talent
level that they've been able to win these games even
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when they haven't played their best. Everybody else when you're
playing against actual competition I think you're gonna have to
bring your best, which I don't know what that means
for TCU. I don't think anybody believes TCU is the
fourth best team in the country if you just look
at it from talent. But eventually you are what your
record says you are. And right now, tc use record
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says that they're undefeated and they control their own destiny.
If they're able to win out beat Kansas State, beat
Iowa State tomorrow, they will be one of the four,
just like Cincinnati was last year. Yeah, much more of
a resume guy than a hypothetical guy, because there are
two ways to look at it. You look at the
resume of TCU, they're undefeated if they went out there
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in it's that simple. I'm more like that because the
other way is the hypothetical thing of well, I believe
USC is better, and if they were to meet on
a neutral field, I think USC, Well, you could be wrong.
You could be wrong about USC being better on a
neutral field. So I always go by resume and I
hear you on TCU, we're all kind of got the
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shifty eyes. I think it's the lack of brand recognition
as well. I'll tell you this. If USC had the
spitting image of t c US resume, we wouldn't have
nearly as many questions because USC is a brand in TCU, isn't. Yeah,
I think it's a good point. We'll come back. Andy
Staples sets up and really interesting um this week on
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his podcast about how this thing is ultimately going to
be decided in that room. We'll talk about that. Also,
we'll look at a two lost l s U team
potentially finding their way in and being ranked above a
one lost USC team. What does all of that mean?
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out Brian O, Jason martin In. We talked a lot
of college ball in the first segment. Of course, the
game tomorrow on Fox New and Eastern Time, Michigan, Ohio
State from the Shoe, Big Time Game. This is one
of those games where, look, hardball got you last year.
You can't let this happen twice. If Blake Corm's not playing.
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I don't. I just don't see the pathway from Michigan
to win the game. But stranger things have happened, Strange things.
Were you surprised, Brian that L s U, which ranked
above USC, a two lost team? I teased before the
break that Andy Staples, so I really love UM and
of interviewed many many times throughout my career. UH basically said, Look,
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this is how it actually goes in the room when
they're making the decisions and when they're trying to rank
these teams and slot them in these rankings and certainly
what the rankings that are to come. If these two
teams played, USC would beat l s U, USC would
be ranked ahead of ahead of them. That that's how
they actually look at this thing. Do they think a
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two loss L s U or do you think maybe
even do you think a two loss L s U
beat USC? Do they just look at their defense and
say that is a paper tiger waiting to be picked
off and maybe setting the stage for Notre Dame to
beat them or whoever they're going to meet in the
PAC twelve Championship. Yeah, to be honest with you, I
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don't know who would win I don't know who would
win between L s U and USC. I think that
would be part of the criteria. It's weird because the
chair will always say, it's not our job to project.
We're not projecting anything here. We can't predict the future.
So he keeps on talking about it as if it's
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just the resume. It's just the resume, And it's hard
to argue L s you with two losses and getting
completely obliterated by Tennessee Tennessee. Yeah, they have those two
losses compared to USC's one. And think about last week Jason.
USC survives against U C L A. It's a big
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win for them, right, and they don't leap frog L
s U, who beat U A B. If USC isn't
gonna leap frog L s U, then I mean I
think they would this next week if USC beats Notre
Dame and L s U beats Texas A and M
who's a grease fire, you would think again that USC
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would probably leap frog L s U. But it didn't
happen last week. No, I think that. But here's the thing,
when it comes down to it, if L s U
beat Georgia, Okay, if they don't be Georgia. They're not
in any way right So you can put them at
five right now, and you provide yourself or you provide
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college football potentially with a one versus five deal. Now,
if USC beats Notre Dame, maybe that's enough because Notre
Dame has again turned it on down the stretch and
now that win would look a lot more impressive. And actually,
if you're Ohio State, you're happy right now because once
you beat a team, then you want to see him
go on a little bit of a tear a lot
of times. In a case of Ohio State being able
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to beat Notre Dame and Notre Dame becoming good makes
that win better. If USC goes and beats Notre Dame,
that could be enough. But L s U. If you're
college football and you're looking at it just from a
business standpoint, one versus five. If l s U wins,
you can make an argument because george has been the
best team in the country all year. But if you
don't beat Georgia and your three loss and you're out anyway,
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and USC is able to slide there anyway, Yeah, it
really comes down to that. Like you could have it
play out this week Jason, Well, let's say both teams win.
L s U beats Texas A and m USC beats
Notre Dame. I don't like this scenario already, but let's
say that happens. You could have USC, they probably would
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leap frog l s U. But when the conference championship
games are played the next week, L s you might
leap frog him back if LSU beats Georgia. I think
that's really interesting because Georgia is the team we talked
about it last segment. It's Georgia and then everybody else
this season. So if LSU is able to beat Georgia,
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that's way bigger than USC beating whoever they face in
the back twelve championship game. But what's interesting is that
Georgia doesn't necessarily need that game, right, They could still
sneak in even if they lose the SEC championship game.
So I find that to be really interesting if we're
using that is basically the tiebreaker between l s U
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and USC if it comes down to it for a
final playoff spot. I think it's really interesting that Georgia
doesn't necessarily need that game that L s you would
need to sneak on in there. I think that scenario
is fascinating. No, I agree the other the other team
that I think you gotta watch, even though, look and
this area, you're gonna like a lot better because you've
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already seen it. Notre Dame drub Clemson. But Clemson's still
got an outside shot here now. They Unfortunately for them,
their matchup with North Carolina takes a big time hit
because North Carolina loses last week and Drake May has
his first game without a touchdown and the Heisman candidacy
goes up right there and it's over now. The South
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Carolina win tomorrow would be more impressive because of how
they have started to play and certainly what they did
to Tennessee last week. But Clemson is still a one
loss football team. The one loss is not a horrible loss,
except that they got absolutely killed in that game. But
Clemson is not entirely out of this. I don't think
they end up in the four. But I think everybody
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poured dirt on both Alabama and Clemson. I think you're
right to do that with Alabama. Clemson still has the potential,
with things fall their way, to get in. Yeah, they do,
they really do. Let's just say there are a couple
of things. They need TCU to lose. That's a big one.
You gotta get TCU to lose. I don't think they
lose to Iowa State, but maybe they lose in the
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in the Big Twelve championship game. That's what Clemson needs.
And then you could see if TCU loses, Clemson is
absolutely alive because, hey, let's say Michigan loses decisively to
Ohio State, Clemson is gonna go ahead of Michigan if
they're a conference champion. That's easy. And then if you
get a little bit more help, Let's say LSU loses
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to Georgia, that's certainly possible, that's also probable, then you
are live in this thing. Yeah. So Clemson, they absolutely
they've got life right now, just need a little bit
of help to make things interesting. Yeah, do you what
do you think the chances are that the loser of
Michigan Ohio State can still find a way in like
does that game? That game has to be almost a
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classic in order to make that happen, just because so
many other things would have to fall their way. Yeah,
I think it's I think it almost needs to be
Michigan losing a classic you know, because it's it's different
if Ohio State is at home losing a classic, right,
so it's probably Michigan losing just this crazy game, maybe
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last second field goal from Michigan to have a chance
because they're not in their conference championship game. They're obviously
not conference champions and the last thing you remember is
a loss. As really hard to sneak your way in
if all those things are right there. So yeah, I
think it's got to be an absolute classic to have
a shot to sneak in there. How do you feel
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about teams that have lost head to head with opponents
that are I don't mean like a fluke win, but
I mean like, for example, Tennessee losing or Tennessee beating
l s U the way that they did, but L
s U being five spots ahead of them, despite the
fact they're both two lost teams. Do you look at
that and say, is it because Hendon Hooker also went
out and you're projecting the future a little bit? Or
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is it as weird as weird as it is? It's
a much better loss for l s U to Tennessee
than it is Tennessee to South Carolina, even though that's
kind of strange bedfellows and then say, yeah, well this
team lost, but they lost to a better team even
though it was you, We're still gonna rank We're gonna
rank them five spots higher than you. Yeah, that's the
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weird thing because we're all in this head to head like,
but they beat l s U and it's like, yeah,
but L s U is better than South Carolina, So
that part of it. And then it's a recency thing.
I hate that what just happened matters more, but it does.
Like let's say L s you lost last weekend. That
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absolutely has a huge impact on where L s US ranked,
where Tennessee is ranked. I don't like it, but that's
just the way it plays out. Man. It's what happened
just recently, and the timing of it has a big
time impact on who's ranked where. So do you one
other quick one and we'll get de finly. But we
talked about Lane Kiffin in the first hour. Do you think, Look,
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they killed by Arkansas and then they lose to Mississippi State.
There has to be some version of distraction with everything
surrounding the head coach. I'm not surprised at all they
lost last night. The way they lost on Saturday. I
joked afterwards and said, I guess Lane took the Auburn
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job at halftime because of what the score was at
that point in time, because it felt like they didn't
have a head coach. That's a tough spot for those
old Miss players and for those coaches to be in
because it just it feels like everything is so fluid
and influx that I'm not sure they can concentrate on
what's in front of them. Yeah, there might be some
truth to that. I just think that this is the
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grind of playing in the SEC. You know, you saw
it earlier in this season, just their fifth game of
the year, they barely beat Kentucky and that was a
nice win at the time. Kentucky was number seven at
the time. But you step back from that and you're like, oh,
Kentucky kind of turned out to be bad, so that
when wasn't as impressive. And so you look at oh Miss.
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They've lost four of their last five games. The one
win they had was at Texas A and M, were
they won by a field goal. You know, so to
play these last six games the second half of their
season Auburn at l s U at A and m
Alabama at Arkansas, then the Egg Bowl against Mississippi State.
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I think it's just the grind of the SEC schedule,
that's uh. I think that's the bigger factor than the
questions about their head coach, because it's really only ramped
up as of late, right, and that doesn't explain them
getting crushed by l s U. They were undefeated at
the time. They're not thinking anything about Lane Kiffin and
will he be back. That's just getting crushed by a
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better team and the grind of the season catching up
with you. I think it's more that than the Lane
Kiffin thing, although I think the Lane thing is part
of the equation though, I mean, there has to be
some degree of it. But I think you're probably right.
The attrition of the SEC schedule may have just caught
up to Ole miss at the wrong time. Let's catch
up with Brian Finley and see what happened, including a
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thriller in the World Cup. Be alright, so let's let's
do this. So yeah, speaking of the World Cup, Jason,
did you come sprinting back into a studio or something
or what happened? No? I was here, I was here.
You in line for a television. I know, I was
not I was talking and I couldn't hear myself and
I thought, well, wait a minute, it is something wrong
with my ear piece or my headphones. Would definitely pleasant.
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It was nice and very pleasant, peaceful silence. Yeah, yeah,
because radio is is so good dead air is so
good on the radio that goes together promos of that, yes, yes,
well you know Iran is going to be making promos
of their performance, as Jason alluded to, and we're talking
World Cup here at Group B play where Iran scoring
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two goals after the nine minute so nine minute in
his stoppage time. They go on to win two nil
against Wales after the starting goalkeeper for Wales, Wayne Hennessy,
received a red card. That was the first red card
of the event. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know he was
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able to go grab a few of those a little
bit earlier since he wasn't a net. Yeah, that he was,
and then the guy who replaced him could use a
few two to forget about what he did then in
net when he gave up those two goals and within
minutes of one another. So a two nil win for
Iran after Wales in the second half. Late in the
(29:37):
second half, I had to play with just ten men.
By the way, keep keeping tabs on what's happening later
on in this late when it comes to the World Cup,
t Musa and England are going to be facing off
at one p m. Eastern, a game that can be
seen on Fox. Speaking of what's happening American football, three
NFL games yesterday and one involved the Vikings as they
(30:01):
got back in the win column and they took down
the Patriots three to twenty six. Minnesota quarterback Kirk Cousins
slang in it for three touchdowns two hundred nine yards.
The Cowboys hold off the Giants twenty dallas, scoring two
touchdowns in that third quarter to help preserve a lead
that they would never let go from there. The Bills
(30:24):
took a lead with two seconds to go against the
lines and finished with victory. Tyler Bass made that forty
five yard field goal with two seconds to go to
see barely Yes, it still counts, you know. I don't
know if I guys, have I showed you this? But
when so my sister went to Old Miss, we went
to visit during her graduation and I got to go
(30:46):
on the field, football field, and I took uh. I
found a spare of football right and this was before
the graduation, and I lined it up on old Mrs
Field and it was a what it would have had
a twenty yard field goal, so essentially an extra point,
and I did a double doink. It went in. It
barely had enough elevation on it to go over the crossbar.
(31:11):
It did hit the bottom cross bar, hit the left
side of the goal post upright, and then went in.
So so there's that. Then you have video of that.
I do, I do. I'll tag you, yeah, yeah, I'll
tag you on Twitter. I'll post that online. Speaking to this,
I'll leave you with this guy's Ole Miss losing in
the Egg Bowl yesterday to twenty two to Mississippi State,
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and after the game, everybody wanted to know the thoughts
of Ole Miss head coach Lane Kiffin. Is he gonna stay?
Is he not? As you guys talked about earlier on
in the show. Some I don't know, some words to
that you could go different ways with, but essentially what
Kiffin said is that he expects to come back for
three and not, according to that one report, take the
(31:55):
Auburn job. Although again there's still a lot of moving
parts here. We don't really know for sure, but I'm
sure a lot will come out in the next couple
of days. And until then, let's get it back to
two guys holding things down. Jason Martin Brian, Now, thank
you be. We are in the entire rack dot Com
studios um, Brian. The one thing about what Finley just said,
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Kiffen can't say anything else until he leaves, Like you
can say nothing, but if you talk and you're still
in that job, unless you're announcing that you're leaving, you
can't say anything other than well, I expect to be
back because you're currently there, Like that's your job. That's like,
that's the same thing Salah really is saying about Zach
(32:41):
Wilson when he's saying he's still our future plan. He's
still the guy that we expect to be the franchise.
I don't know if anybody believes that, but as long
as he's still on the football team, as long as
he's still an employee in many ways of the football team,
that's all you can say. Like, I don't really necessarily
blame Lane Kevin for saying anything because he's gonna get
(33:04):
asked the question, and if you know, comment it, then
that's gonna be interpreted in a certain way. What he can't,
I mean, I don't. I don't think he really had
a choice other than to say I expect to be back,
is what I'm saying. Yeah, I hear you. The one
thing that he could say that he hasn't is I
will be back, you know, and he has I've signed
an extension. Yeah. Yeah, he could say, um, and this
(33:29):
is premature. Um, but if it was set up that way,
like it's just a matter of ditting eyes, crossing tease,
but best believe I'm gonna be back at old Miss
that type of thing. He hasn't said that, and maybe
he can't. But that's the only thing that he has
come short of saying is there's a big difference between
I expect to be back and oh, yeah, I will
(33:50):
be back. He hasn't said the latter. Yeah. Well, look,
if you're negotiating exactly your leverage, your leverage is any unknown,
your leverages in the well, I could leave like that's
still out there, and I'm sure that your representation would
make sure and how you phrased it that you left
the door open, because then you're at the bargaining table
(34:11):
when you're able to command a little bit more money
out of Old Miss, and maybe that's what you want.
Maybe you have no intention of going anywhere, but any
of us to have the opportunity to make more money
are probably going to find a way to try and
maximize that opportunity, just like a college football coach would.
The question I think is ultimately gonna come down to
how much money can a school like Auburn throw at
(34:33):
Lane Kiffen and is it enough for him to leave?
Knowing the challenges that are always going to be present
in recruiting to a place like Oxford, Mississippi is not
like Auburn is Miami in terms of a recruiting base
or something like that, or Southern California. But Auburn has
a tradition and a history of winning that I think
(34:54):
gives them a bit of a leg up on a
team like Old Miss. On a school like Old Miss
is as great as that atmosphere can be, It's always
been hard, at least to do it the right way
to recruit. There's a problem. It's a weird dance right
now for Lane because it's leverage, right what versus kind
(35:16):
of calming people down, Calming your current team down because
he's talked to the players and said, hey, guys, I
have not taken a job elsewhere and whatever else he
said to them, right, so he's calming them down. But
at the same time, he wants to get as much
money as possible as anybody would from Old Miss. If
that's where he wants to be, and he's given every
(35:38):
indication that's where he wants to to remain, but that
hurts your leverage, Like what is put it this way,
Old Miss? If Lane Kiffin is doing the opposite and
putting it out on social media of like yeah, I
could be going somewhere else, or like he's tweeting my
bags are packed just in case I don't know, like
all of a sudden, old mrs like, man, we gotta
(35:58):
break the bank to keep this guy potentially. But if
Lane is putting out the opposite message and going after
a media member who said he's leaving, it's not the
same type of urgency for old myths to give him
that type of deals. It's a really interesting dance what's
going on here. It definitely is, and we'll see we'll
soon see how it all works out. There were two
(36:20):
prizes in the NFL offseason. We thought at the quarterback position,
it's gone badly for both. Who has it gone worse
for Aaron or Russ? That's next here in the tire
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at Fox Sports Radio eight seven ninety nine on Fox.
That's three six nine. It's how you reach us. The
Broncos are three and seven, tied for the worst record
in the a f C West. The Green Bay Packers
are four and seven, one game better than the Chicago Bears,
(37:22):
tied with the Lions. But I think you feel better
right now as a Lions fan this season than you
do a Packers fan. The two quarterbacks that were sort
of the prizes in the off season. Was Aaron Rodgers
gonna leave Green Bay? Was he gonna end up in Denver?
Was gonna end up somewhere else? And certainly Russell Wilson
leaving Seattle. B Who has this gone worse for a
(37:44):
a Iron or Russ? Yeah, it's a great question. I'm
gonna say Russell Wilson um because look, changing teams and
being this bad gives him the edge. Like, don't get
me wrong, It's been a brutal season for Aaron Rodgers.
(38:04):
It doesn't look great because he lost Davonte Adams and
now the record is four in in seven. That makes
Aaron Rodgers look really bad. That makes him look like
he was very dependent, which he was on Davonte Adams.
But guess what, Aaron Rodgers had a lot of success
before Davante Adams ever got there. What's different with Russell
(38:26):
Wilson with him switching to another team, going to Denver
and it being a grease fire, it makes Russell Wilson
look like he absolutely benefited from the culture in Seattle
and the supporting cast. He looks like a guy who
was more of He's kind of like the trailer, right,
(38:49):
Like if you think about like a semi truck and
it's like he's being brought along for the right. It
might not be necessarily true, but that's the way it
looks in Denver. If he was the guy that was
leading the whole thing, it wouldn't be this bad in Denver.
So that's the way it makes Russell Wilson look. Imagine
if Tom Brady left New England and faltered his first
(39:13):
year in Tampa, what people would have said, Like, that's
what we have with Russell Wilson right now. So I
think it's been Russ for It's been worse for Russ
this season than Aaron Rodgers. So if he's the biggest loser,
Pete Carroll may be the biggest winner because I think
a lot of people, not Carol, look me too as
a matter of fact, that he was too conservative. You gotta,
(39:34):
you know, let Russ kind of do his thing, let
him cook, so to speak. And you've seen that Seattle
who now has a number five pick because of all
of this, or it looks like it's gonna be a
top five pick because of how bad Denver has been. Uh,
he looks like a winner now the secondary question is this,
Let's say Doug Peterson went to Denver instead of Jacksonville
(39:56):
and you don't end up with Nathaniel Hackett. How much
of russ struggles or the Broncos struggles as a whole,
do you place on a head coach that's looking like
he's gonna go down as one of the all time
worst tires we've ever seen. Yeah, I think it has
a lot to do with Nathaniel hack It, But I
think some of this is just brand names, you know
what I mean, Like Russell Wilson has a much bigger
(40:17):
brand name than Nathaniel hack It does, So it just
seems like, well, it's got to be Nathaniel Hackett's fault.
Not necessarily, Russ has not played well this season and
a lot of this is on him. And I don't
know that Russell Wilson is just crushing it. If Doug
Peterson is over there, he's got a better chance to
be playing better. But I don't put all of this
(40:39):
and I know you're not either putting it on Nathaniel Hackett.
I just think that he's an easy out because we're like,
who is this guy and what's he doing with time
clock management? And you know what I mean, like not
doing much, not doing a whole lot. It's been a
complete disaster. But um no, I think that that has
something to do with it, but not everything. Yeah, the
(41:00):
brand name. I think that's an interesting point. Uh maybe
something we get hit. It's it would be an interesting
discussion to have, would be can you actually play your
way out of a potential Hall of Fame career? Was
Russell Wilson a Hall of Famer before this year in
your mind? And has it changed as a result of
what you've seen him do as soon as he got
out of Seattle or is there still more to come there?
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eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox that translates nine
six six three six nine man and now Iran scored again.
Just to add to it, this thing was eight minutes
into stoppage time of the nine that we thought we
were going to get Whales with ten players out there,
(01:22):
and it makes a difference. So Whales is going to
lose here in Group B two to the two nil.
And this is not I mean, it looked like this
thing was going to go a little bit further. And
boy it comes to an end real real fast here.
And Iran. What a story from them and just the
bravery that they've had to show as a team with
some of the things that they have tried to do
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um in a country where look the difference between situations
Brian is Iran. These players can go back and be
executed by their government and they're still kind of standing
up for things that they believe in terms of human rights.
It's hard not to kind of root for these guys
because you know what they could potentially be walking back into,
(02:06):
and yet they are using this platform to hopefully do
some good and now they're winning. Yeah, it's just wild
when you throw that layer on top of it where
it's hard to wrap your mind around that in the States,
you know what I mean, Like think about Team USA,
say in like basketball, if the government could just execute Lebron,
(02:26):
you know what I mean, Like that that you can't
even wrap your mind around that, but that happens in
other countries. But as far as soccer goes, that's as
close to a buzzer beater as you're gonna get in soccer.
With the run scoring in what the ninety what? Yeah,
I was crazy. And then they add on the insurance goal.
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That could be a big deal for tiebreakers in Group B.
So it's not a good result for Team USA. They
wanted to draw in this thing. But Iran gets the
two nil win. That's huge for a run big It
is absolutely is scintillating to end that match on FS
one is where you could have seen that. Here we
(03:09):
are on Fox Sports Radio tomorrow on Fox the game
Michigan Ohio State neon Eastern time at the Shoe. I
think that's where we can go here. We talked a
whole lot of NFL and we'll jump back into it
here a little bit later this hour, Brian, But not
just Ohio State Michigan, big time game for USC with
(03:30):
Notre Dame. This is the last week really of the
college football regular season. How are you feeling right now
about some of these teams and especially this Ohio State
Michigan game where both teams at times have shown themselves
to be capable of a clunker. I think I would say, yeah, well,
(03:51):
first off, about the whole slate, go irish, I'd just
like to say that real fast and south bend, so
let's get that out of the way. But credit credit
to your a freeman that could have gone off the
tracks early in the season and he has pulled it
back to get them ranked. That's that's a really solid finish.
Yeah it is. It started off really badly. He was
being clowned for losing his first three games, and it
(04:14):
looks a lot better now if you're smacking around Clemson
and uh righting the ship. But as far as the
Michigan Ohio State game, to me, Jason, it's all about
Blake Corehum is the stud running back himself. Because if
he isn't, I just I think this has the potential
to get ugly, real fast. Because if Blake Corehum, who's
(04:34):
rushed for almost fifteen hundred yards and eighteen touchdowns this season,
if he's limping around and just trying to gut it
out and there's more on J J. McCarthy shoulders, I
just don't trust that guy at all. And against Ohio State,
you need J J. McCarthy to match points with C. J. Stroud.
I just don't see it happening. You have to have
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Blake Corehum be special for Michigan to have a chance
in this game, is the way I see it. And
I don't want to make Ohio State out to be
some unbeatable type team. They barely squeaked by Maryland last week,
but against Michigan in a game that's been circled ever
since they got boat raced last year. If you've got
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Michigan wounded with Blake Coreum in a get back game
for Ohio State, that is not a good recipe for
Michigan at all. No. I mean they're gonna have to
be able to play Michigan football, which is control the clock,
run the ball, and play physical defense. And if you
don't have core Um. We saw it last week how
important Korum is to them, just based on how they
(05:38):
had to escape uh their opponent, and that was not
It's not like they were playing Ohio State last week.
That was a struggle for them. They were able to
get through it. Um. I mean it, well, nois a
good football team, but I don't think anybody's mistaken them
for a college football playoff team. Illinois actually likes to
play very similar now Michigan plays. But I think you're right, uh,
(05:59):
I don't like to core the back situation in Michigan.
I haven't liked it all year. McCarthy could be the guy,
but he's not the guy right now. Mcnamari's hurt. Mcnamary
at least once of games last year and was part
of a college football playoffs situation and then kind of
got Jimmy Jid and then McCarthy ended up keeping this
job as opposed to Trey Lance getting hurt and not
being able to stay on the field for the forty niners.
(06:22):
But if they can't run the ball, I don't think
they can pass it at all. Like I wouldn't be
surprised if they don't have a hundred and fifty yards
through the air against Ohio State. This Ohio State team
I think is very beatable, just because there's times when
they have a little bit of a rams field to
me in terms of there's a little bit more flash
than there is substance. Because they again they can go
(06:44):
out there and play kind of mediocre. Now they can
still win playing mediocre. And it wasn't just them pretty
much everybody that was ranked last week in the top
ten struggled to some degree outside of U c l
A getting the big win, but most of them were
able to escape. Ohio State has more talent than Michigan.
We knew that going into the season. Korum is the
(07:05):
difference maker. I don't know what you have on offense
if you're Michigan, if you don't have that guy, and
I think you're right, I think you could easily become
you know, a three touchdown win for Ohio State of
Korum is not himself. Yeah, that's how I see it,
and I like the Jimmy g comparison. You're right, It's
that's why Jim Harbaugh switched quarterbacks. That's why he went
(07:28):
from Kade McNamara, who was the quarterback last season when
they made it to the playoffs. They made it to
the College Football Playoff, and they still made a quarterback
change because he thought that J J. McCarthy had a
higher ceiling and he's better than Kate McNamara. I mean, honestly,
I think I still had a few throws in me.
I think I'm better than Kate McNamara at this point.
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But J J. McCarthy is much better. And if there's
more on his shoulders, I just I will be like
jaw hitting the floor. If this is a J. J.
Mc karthi game and he's just dealing, he's just dialing
them up and they Yeah, I don't see it at all.
I do not see it whatsoever. Their formula for success,
(08:11):
it's just how you described. It's kind of like old
school Wisconsin. You know, it's run the ball, it's play
good defense. It's not air it out. It's not throw
the ball all over the place and match points with C. J. Stroud.
That's just not how they play. So if they're forced
to play that way, I just don't think they're gonna
be able to. Right now, who do you buy into
most of the the current top four. We're gonna extend
(08:35):
this out and talk a little bit about l s
u VA VA USC and the college football rankings here
maybe in the next segment. But you saw Georgia. Georgia
outlasted Kentucky, but it wasn't a dominant performance. Ohio State
did what Ohio State did against lesser opposition in Maryland,
a team that had gotten blanked a week before by
(08:57):
Penn State. We saw Michigan escape Illinois. We saw TCU
in the craziest fishing forty seconds, one of the most disjointed,
disorganized looking things. And then Sunny Dice comes out and says,
it only looks frantic. We practiced it every week. It's like, okay,
well it was one of the especially considering your kicker
missed an extra point like ten minutes before that and
(09:20):
you had him literally sprint on the field and make
the kick. Now he did make it, and you're still undefeated,
But how are you feeling right now about the top
of the heap in college football? It's Georgia and everybody
else right now. And it's not to say that Georgia
can't be beaten. They can be. Like you mentioned, that
was uh less than it looked to be more comfortable
(09:41):
for Georgia against Kentucky, but it really wasn't. Like that
was a closer game at the end than it should
have been. They barely beat Missouri. So it's just to
point out that they can be had we all know
how dominant they can be. The boat roast boat raced
or again, that was a comfortable win against Tennessee. They're
very talented team to fending champs. Very good defense. We
(10:02):
all know that. The rest of the college football world like, yeah,
Ohio State, good, Michigan, good, DC, you good. But you know,
we saw it last week with Tennessee getting crushed by
South Carolina that was the number five team in the
country and they had nothing for Spencer Rattler and the
(10:23):
game Cox. You know. So I just think beyond Georgia,
you have these wild results when it comes to the
top teams in college football, and uh do I think
USC could sneak in and just go just try to
out offense Georgia. Yeah, be kind of interesting. Their defense
is so terrible, absolutely hideous. Man. We knew last week
(10:45):
I was I was on air with I was because
I was on air with Aaron Torres and and he
kept calling me nostre damas because I said, after every
touchdown was scored in that U S C U C
L a game, Well is about to come down and
score like immediately. They are rutal on defense, Which is
why I think Caleb Williams right now would have my
vote for the Heisman, because he has to go out
(11:08):
there and get you fifty a game. He has to
go out there and throw you know, six touchdown passes,
he's gotta run in another one because he can't have
an empty trip because his defense is gonna give up
six in the other way. And you take away Travis
Die and for a quarter of the season, he hasn't
had Jordan Addison, He's been missing other weapons. He has
(11:28):
to be special basically on every drive for them, and
they're gonna lose. Yeah, it's crazy. And USC had four
takeaways last week against u C. L A. Gave up
forty two points and one by three, Right, Like, how
does that? How do all those things happen? It did
(11:49):
in that game. Their defense is just a wreck. But
I think, Jason, it's one of these deals where if
we had a twelve team playoff this season, I think
there's the recipe for a lot of crazy things to happen.
Maybe not, you know, like five or six teams could
win it all, but along the way, I think you
could have a lot of wild results. It's just that
(12:09):
type of season in college football. I think it's Georgia
and then everybody else is the way it stacks up, right,
Yes see, I would agree with you, Like I mean,
if you got the shot, for example, to watch Oregon
in Michigan, Oregon in Ohio State, some of these other matchups.
I think L s USE a little bit overrated. I
think they're good, but I look at a two loss
L s U team and maybe we'll do this in
(12:30):
the next second. We can kind of look at them
in USC and and what the college football playoff rankings are,
you would still have Tennessee in the mix. But that
that's still one of the most baffling things I've seen.
I not no one saw sixty three being hung by
South Carolina and Tennessee, and then of course the news
got worse with Hendon Hooker's a c O and hopefully
that's not going to affect him too much in the draft,
(12:51):
because what an unbelievable season. But I agree with you.
I think that there are teams that are dangerous and
if you don't show up with your A game, and
we've seen every one of these teams, including Georgia this year,
has shown up with a B minus or a C
plus game, and I think it speaks to Georgia's talent
level that they've been able to win these games even
(13:14):
when they haven't played their best. Everybody else when you're
playing against actual competition I think you're gonna have to
bring your best, which I don't know what that means
for TCU. I don't think anybody believes TCU is the
fourth best team in the country if you just look
at it from talent. But eventually you are what your
record says you are. And right now, tc use record
(13:35):
says that they're undefeated and they control their own destiny.
If they're able to win out beat Kansas State, beat
Iowa State tomorrow, they will be one of the four,
just like Cincinnati was last year. Yeah, much more of
a resume guy than a hypothetical guy, because there are
two ways to look at it. You look at the
resume of TCU, they're undefeated if they went out there
(13:57):
in it's that simple. I'm more like that because the
other way is the hypothetical thing of well, I believe
USC is better, and if they were to meet on
a neutral field, I think USC, Well, you could be wrong.
You could be wrong about USC being better on a
neutral field. So I always go by resume and I
hear you on TCU, we're all kind of got the
(14:19):
shifty eyes. I think it's the lack of brand recognition
as well. I'll tell you this. If USC had the
spitting image of t c US resume, we wouldn't have
nearly as many questions because USC is a brand in TCU, isn't. Yeah,
I think it's a good point. We'll come back. Andy
Staples sets up and really interesting um this week on
(14:40):
his podcast about how this thing is ultimately going to
be decided in that room. We'll talk about that. Also,
we'll look at a two lost l s U team
potentially finding their way in and being ranked above a
one lost USC team. What does all of that mean?
We'll talk about that next year on Two Pros and
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out Brian O, Jason martin In. We talked a lot
of college ball in the first segment. Of course, the
game tomorrow on Fox New and Eastern Time, Michigan, Ohio
State from the Shoe, Big Time Game. This is one
of those games where, look, hardball got you last year.
You can't let this happen twice. If Blake Corm's not playing.
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I don't. I just don't see the pathway from Michigan
to win the game. But stranger things have happened, Strange things.
Were you surprised, Brian that L s U, which ranked
above USC, a two lost team? I teased before the
break that Andy Staples, so I really love UM and
of interviewed many many times throughout my career. UH basically said, Look,
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this is how it actually goes in the room when
they're making the decisions and when they're trying to rank
these teams and slot them in these rankings and certainly
what the rankings that are to come. If these two
teams played, USC would beat l s U, USC would
be ranked ahead of ahead of them. That that's how
they actually look at this thing. Do they think a
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two loss L s U or do you think maybe
even do you think a two loss L s U
beat USC? Do they just look at their defense and
say that is a paper tiger waiting to be picked
off and maybe setting the stage for Notre Dame to
beat them or whoever they're going to meet in the
PAC twelve Championship. Yeah, to be honest with you, I
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don't know who would win I don't know who would
win between L s U and USC. I think that
would be part of the criteria. It's weird because the
chair will always say, it's not our job to project.
We're not projecting anything here. We can't predict the future.
So he keeps on talking about it as if it's
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just the resume. It's just the resume, And it's hard
to argue L s you with two losses and getting
completely obliterated by Tennessee Tennessee. Yeah, they have those two
losses compared to USC's one. And think about last week Jason.
USC survives against U C L A. It's a big
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win for them, right, and they don't leap frog L
s U, who beat U A B. If USC isn't
gonna leap frog L s U, then I mean I
think they would this next week if USC beats Notre
Dame and L s U beats Texas A and M
who's a grease fire, you would think again that USC
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would probably leap frog L s U. But it didn't
happen last week. No, I think that. But here's the thing,
when it comes down to it, if L s U
beat Georgia, Okay, if they don't be Georgia. They're not
in any way right So you can put them at
five right now, and you provide yourself or you provide
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college football potentially with a one versus five deal. Now,
if USC beats Notre Dame, maybe that's enough because Notre
Dame has again turned it on down the stretch and
now that win would look a lot more impressive. And actually,
if you're Ohio State, you're happy right now because once
you beat a team, then you want to see him
go on a little bit of a tear a lot
of times. In a case of Ohio State being able
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to beat Notre Dame and Notre Dame becoming good makes
that win better. If USC goes and beats Notre Dame,
that could be enough. But L s U. If you're
college football and you're looking at it just from a
business standpoint, one versus five. If l s U wins,
you can make an argument because george has been the
best team in the country all year. But if you
don't beat Georgia and your three loss and you're out anyway,
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and USC is able to slide there anyway, Yeah, it
really comes down to that. Like you could have it
play out this week Jason, Well, let's say both teams win.
L s U beats Texas A and m USC beats
Notre Dame. I don't like this scenario already, but let's
say that happens. You could have USC, they probably would
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leap frog l s U. But when the conference championship
games are played the next week, L s you might
leap frog him back if LSU beats Georgia. I think
that's really interesting because Georgia is the team we talked
about it last segment. It's Georgia and then everybody else
this season. So if LSU is able to beat Georgia,
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that's way bigger than USC beating whoever they face in
the back twelve championship game. But what's interesting is that
Georgia doesn't necessarily need that game, right, They could still
sneak in even if they lose the SEC championship game.
So I find that to be really interesting if we're
using that is basically the tiebreaker between l s U
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and USC if it comes down to it for a
final playoff spot. I think it's really interesting that Georgia
doesn't necessarily need that game that L s you would
need to sneak on in there. I think that scenario
is fascinating. No, I agree the other the other team
that I think you gotta watch, even though, look and
this area, you're gonna like a lot better because you've
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already seen it. Notre Dame drub Clemson. But Clemson's still
got an outside shot here now. They Unfortunately for them,
their matchup with North Carolina takes a big time hit
because North Carolina loses last week and Drake May has
his first game without a touchdown and the Heisman candidacy
goes up right there and it's over now. The South
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Carolina win tomorrow would be more impressive because of how
they have started to play and certainly what they did
to Tennessee last week. But Clemson is still a one
loss football team. The one loss is not a horrible loss,
except that they got absolutely killed in that game. But
Clemson is not entirely out of this. I don't think
they end up in the four. But I think everybody
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poured dirt on both Alabama and Clemson. I think you're
right to do that with Alabama. Clemson still has the potential,
with things fall their way, to get in. Yeah, they do,
they really do. Let's just say there are a couple
of things. They need TCU to lose. That's a big one.
You gotta get TCU to lose. I don't think they
lose to Iowa State, but maybe they lose in the
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in the Big Twelve championship game. That's what Clemson needs.
And then you could see if TCU loses, Clemson is
absolutely alive because, hey, let's say Michigan loses decisively to
Ohio State, Clemson is gonna go ahead of Michigan if
they're a conference champion. That's easy. And then if you
get a little bit more help, Let's say LSU loses
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to Georgia, that's certainly possible, that's also probable, then you
are live in this thing. Yeah. So Clemson, they absolutely
they've got life right now, just need a little bit
of help to make things interesting. Yeah, do you what
do you think the chances are that the loser of
Michigan Ohio State can still find a way in like
does that game? That game has to be almost a
(23:49):
classic in order to make that happen, just because so
many other things would have to fall their way. Yeah,
I think it's I think it almost needs to be
Michigan losing a classic you know, because it's it's different
if Ohio State is at home losing a classic, right,
so it's probably Michigan losing just this crazy game, maybe
(24:12):
last second field goal from Michigan to have a chance
because they're not in their conference championship game. They're obviously
not conference champions and the last thing you remember is
a loss. As really hard to sneak your way in
if all those things are right there. So yeah, I
think it's got to be an absolute classic to have
a shot to sneak in there. How do you feel
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about teams that have lost head to head with opponents
that are I don't mean like a fluke win, but
I mean like, for example, Tennessee losing or Tennessee beating
l s U the way that they did, but L
s U being five spots ahead of them, despite the
fact they're both two lost teams. Do you look at
that and say, is it because Hendon Hooker also went
out and you're projecting the future a little bit? Or
(24:55):
is it as weird as weird as it is? It's
a much better loss for l s U to Tennessee
than it is Tennessee to South Carolina, even though that's
kind of strange bedfellows and then say, yeah, well this
team lost, but they lost to a better team even
though it was you, We're still gonna rank We're gonna
rank them five spots higher than you. Yeah, that's the
(25:16):
weird thing because we're all in this head to head like,
but they beat l s U and it's like, yeah,
but L s U is better than South Carolina, So
that part of it. And then it's a recency thing.
I hate that what just happened matters more, but it does.
Like let's say L s you lost last weekend. That
(25:39):
absolutely has a huge impact on where L s US ranked,
where Tennessee is ranked. I don't like it, but that's
just the way it plays out. Man. It's what happened
just recently, and the timing of it has a big
time impact on who's ranked where. So do you one
other quick one and we'll get de finly. But we
talked about Lane Kiffin in the first hour. Do you think, Look,
(25:59):
they killed by Arkansas and then they lose to Mississippi State.
There has to be some version of distraction with everything
surrounding the head coach. I'm not surprised at all they
lost last night. The way they lost on Saturday. I
joked afterwards and said, I guess Lane took the Auburn
(26:20):
job at halftime because of what the score was at
that point in time, because it felt like they didn't
have a head coach. That's a tough spot for those
old Miss players and for those coaches to be in
because it just it feels like everything is so fluid
and influx that I'm not sure they can concentrate on
what's in front of them. Yeah, there might be some
truth to that. I just think that this is the
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grind of playing in the SEC. You know, you saw
it earlier in this season, just their fifth game of
the year, they barely beat Kentucky and that was a
nice win at the time. Kentucky was number seven at
the time. But you step back from that and you're like, oh,
Kentucky kind of turned out to be bad, so that
when wasn't as impressive. And so you look at oh Miss.
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They've lost four of their last five games. The one
win they had was at Texas A and M, were
they won by a field goal. You know, so to
play these last six games the second half of their
season Auburn at l s U at A and m
Alabama at Arkansas, then the Egg Bowl against Mississippi State.
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I think it's just the grind of the SEC schedule,
that's uh. I think that's the bigger factor than the
questions about their head coach, because it's really only ramped
up as of late, right, and that doesn't explain them
getting crushed by l s U. They were undefeated at
the time. They're not thinking anything about Lane Kiffin and
will he be back. That's just getting crushed by a
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better team and the grind of the season catching up
with you. I think it's more that than the Lane
Kiffin thing, although I think the Lane thing is part
of the equation though, I mean, there has to be
some degree of it. But I think you're probably right.
The attrition of the SEC schedule may have just caught
up to Ole miss at the wrong time. Let's catch
up with Brian Finley and see what happened, including a
(28:07):
thriller in the World Cup. Be alright, so let's let's
do this. So yeah, speaking of the World Cup, Jason,
did you come sprinting back into a studio or something
or what happened? No? I was here, I was here.
You in line for a television. I know, I was
not I was talking and I couldn't hear myself and
I thought, well, wait a minute, it is something wrong
with my ear piece or my headphones. Would definitely pleasant.
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It was nice and very pleasant, peaceful silence. Yeah, yeah,
because radio is is so good dead air is so
good on the radio that goes together promos of that, yes, yes,
well you know Iran is going to be making promos
of their performance, as Jason alluded to, and we're talking
World Cup here at Group B play where Iran scoring
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two goals after the nine minute so nine minute in
his stoppage time. They go on to win two nil
against Wales after the starting goalkeeper for Wales, Wayne Hennessy,
received a red card. That was the first red card
of the event. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know he was
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able to go grab a few of those a little
bit earlier since he wasn't a net. Yeah, that he was,
and then the guy who replaced him could use a
few two to forget about what he did then in
net when he gave up those two goals and within
minutes of one another. So a two nil win for
Iran after Wales in the second half. Late in the
(29:37):
second half, I had to play with just ten men.
By the way, keep keeping tabs on what's happening later
on in this late when it comes to the World Cup,
t Musa and England are going to be facing off
at one p m. Eastern, a game that can be
seen on Fox. Speaking of what's happening American football, three
NFL games yesterday and one involved the Vikings as they
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got back in the win column and they took down
the Patriots three to twenty six. Minnesota quarterback Kirk Cousins
slang in it for three touchdowns two hundred nine yards.
The Cowboys hold off the Giants twenty dallas, scoring two
touchdowns in that third quarter to help preserve a lead
that they would never let go from there. The Bills
(30:24):
took a lead with two seconds to go against the
lines and finished with victory. Tyler Bass made that forty
five yard field goal with two seconds to go to
see barely Yes, it still counts, you know. I don't
know if I guys, have I showed you this? But
when so my sister went to Old Miss, we went
to visit during her graduation and I got to go
(30:46):
on the field, football field, and I took uh. I
found a spare of football right and this was before
the graduation, and I lined it up on old Mrs
Field and it was a what it would have had
a twenty yard field goal, so essentially an extra point,
and I did a double doink. It went in. It
barely had enough elevation on it to go over the crossbar.
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It did hit the bottom cross bar, hit the left
side of the goal post upright, and then went in.
So so there's that. Then you have video of that.
I do, I do. I'll tag you, yeah, yeah, I'll
tag you on Twitter. I'll post that online. Speaking to this,
I'll leave you with this guy's Ole Miss losing in
the Egg Bowl yesterday to twenty two to Mississippi State,
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and after the game, everybody wanted to know the thoughts
of Ole Miss head coach Lane Kiffin. Is he gonna stay?
Is he not? As you guys talked about earlier on
in the show. Some I don't know, some words to
that you could go different ways with, but essentially what
Kiffin said is that he expects to come back for
three and not, according to that one report, take the
(31:55):
Auburn job. Although again there's still a lot of moving
parts here. We don't really know for sure, but I'm
sure a lot will come out in the next couple
of days. And until then, let's get it back to
two guys holding things down. Jason Martin Brian, Now, thank
you be. We are in the entire rack dot Com
studios um, Brian. The one thing about what Finley just said,
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Kiffen can't say anything else until he leaves, Like you
can say nothing, but if you talk and you're still
in that job, unless you're announcing that you're leaving, you
can't say anything other than well, I expect to be
back because you're currently there, Like that's your job. That's like,
that's the same thing Salah really is saying about Zach
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Wilson when he's saying he's still our future plan. He's
still the guy that we expect to be the franchise.
I don't know if anybody believes that, but as long
as he's still on the football team, as long as
he's still an employee in many ways of the football team,
that's all you can say. Like, I don't really necessarily
blame Lane Kevin for saying anything because he's gonna get
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asked the question, and if you know, comment it, then
that's gonna be interpreted in a certain way. What he can't,
I mean, I don't. I don't think he really had
a choice other than to say I expect to be back,
is what I'm saying. Yeah, I hear you. The one
thing that he could say that he hasn't is I
will be back, you know, and he has I've signed
an extension. Yeah. Yeah, he could say, um, and this
(33:29):
is premature. Um, but if it was set up that way,
like it's just a matter of ditting eyes, crossing tease,
but best believe I'm gonna be back at old Miss
that type of thing. He hasn't said that, and maybe
he can't. But that's the only thing that he has
come short of saying is there's a big difference between
I expect to be back and oh, yeah, I will
(33:50):
be back. He hasn't said the latter. Yeah. Well, look,
if you're negotiating exactly your leverage, your leverage is any unknown,
your leverages in the well, I could leave like that's
still out there, and I'm sure that your representation would
make sure and how you phrased it that you left
the door open, because then you're at the bargaining table
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when you're able to command a little bit more money
out of Old Miss, and maybe that's what you want.
Maybe you have no intention of going anywhere, but any
of us to have the opportunity to make more money
are probably going to find a way to try and
maximize that opportunity, just like a college football coach would.
The question I think is ultimately gonna come down to
how much money can a school like Auburn throw at
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Lane Kiffen and is it enough for him to leave?
Knowing the challenges that are always going to be present
in recruiting to a place like Oxford, Mississippi is not
like Auburn is Miami in terms of a recruiting base
or something like that, or Southern California. But Auburn has
a tradition and a history of winning that I think
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gives them a bit of a leg up on a
team like Old Miss. On a school like Old Miss
is as great as that atmosphere can be, It's always
been hard, at least to do it the right way
to recruit. There's a problem. It's a weird dance right
now for Lane because it's leverage, right what versus kind
(35:16):
of calming people down, Calming your current team down because
he's talked to the players and said, hey, guys, I
have not taken a job elsewhere and whatever else he
said to them, right, so he's calming them down. But
at the same time, he wants to get as much
money as possible as anybody would from Old Miss. If
that's where he wants to be, and he's given every
(35:38):
indication that's where he wants to to remain, but that
hurts your leverage, Like what is put it this way,
Old Miss? If Lane Kiffin is doing the opposite and
putting it out on social media of like yeah, I
could be going somewhere else, or like he's tweeting my
bags are packed just in case I don't know, like
all of a sudden, old mrs like, man, we gotta
(35:58):
break the bank to keep this guy potentially. But if
Lane is putting out the opposite message and going after
a media member who said he's leaving, it's not the
same type of urgency for old myths to give him
that type of deals. It's a really interesting dance what's
going on here. It definitely is, and we'll see we'll
soon see how it all works out. There were two
(36:20):
prizes in the NFL offseason. We thought at the quarterback position,
it's gone badly for both. Who has it gone worse
for Aaron or Russ? That's next here in the tire
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with me, I'm Jason Martin at j MAR Radio. We're
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That's three six nine. It's how you reach us. The
Broncos are three and seven, tied for the worst record
in the a f C West. The Green Bay Packers
are four and seven, one game better than the Chicago Bears,
(37:22):
tied with the Lions. But I think you feel better
right now as a Lions fan this season than you
do a Packers fan. The two quarterbacks that were sort
of the prizes in the off season. Was Aaron Rodgers
gonna leave Green Bay? Was he gonna end up in Denver?
Was gonna end up somewhere else? And certainly Russell Wilson
leaving Seattle. B Who has this gone worse for a
(37:44):
a Iron or Russ? Yeah, it's a great question. I'm
gonna say Russell Wilson um because look, changing teams and
being this bad gives him the edge. Like, don't get
me wrong, It's been a brutal season for Aaron Rodgers.
(38:04):
It doesn't look great because he lost Davonte Adams and
now the record is four in in seven. That makes
Aaron Rodgers look really bad. That makes him look like
he was very dependent, which he was on Davonte Adams.
But guess what, Aaron Rodgers had a lot of success
before Davante Adams ever got there. What's different with Russell
(38:26):
Wilson with him switching to another team, going to Denver
and it being a grease fire, it makes Russell Wilson
look like he absolutely benefited from the culture in Seattle
and the supporting cast. He looks like a guy who
was more of He's kind of like the trailer, right,
(38:49):
Like if you think about like a semi truck and
it's like he's being brought along for the right. It
might not be necessarily true, but that's the way it
looks in Denver. If he was the guy that was
leading the whole thing, it wouldn't be this bad in Denver.
So that's the way it makes Russell Wilson look. Imagine
if Tom Brady left New England and faltered his first
(39:13):
year in Tampa, what people would have said, Like, that's
what we have with Russell Wilson right now. So I
think it's been Russ for It's been worse for Russ
this season than Aaron Rodgers. So if he's the biggest loser,
Pete Carroll may be the biggest winner because I think
a lot of people, not Carol, look me too as
a matter of fact, that he was too conservative. You gotta,
(39:34):
you know, let Russ kind of do his thing, let
him cook, so to speak. And you've seen that Seattle
who now has a number five pick because of all
of this, or it looks like it's gonna be a
top five pick because of how bad Denver has been. Uh,
he looks like a winner now the secondary question is this,
Let's say Doug Peterson went to Denver instead of Jacksonville
(39:56):
and you don't end up with Nathaniel Hackett. How much
of russ struggles or the Broncos struggles as a whole,
do you place on a head coach that's looking like
he's gonna go down as one of the all time
worst tires we've ever seen. Yeah, I think it has
a lot to do with Nathaniel hack It, But I
think some of this is just brand names, you know
what I mean, Like Russell Wilson has a much bigger
(40:17):
brand name than Nathaniel hack It does, So it just
seems like, well, it's got to be Nathaniel Hackett's fault.
Not necessarily, Russ has not played well this season and
a lot of this is on him. And I don't
know that Russell Wilson is just crushing it. If Doug
Peterson is over there, he's got a better chance to
be playing better. But I don't put all of this
(40:39):
and I know you're not either putting it on Nathaniel Hackett.
I just think that he's an easy out because we're like,
who is this guy and what's he doing with time
clock management? And you know what I mean, like not
doing much, not doing a whole lot. It's been a
complete disaster. But um no, I think that that has
something to do with it, but not everything. Yeah, the
(41:00):
brand name. I think that's an interesting point. Uh maybe
something we get hit. It's it would be an interesting
discussion to have, would be can you actually play your
way out of a potential Hall of Fame career? Was
Russell Wilson a Hall of Famer before this year in
your mind? And has it changed as a result of
what you've seen him do as soon as he got
out of Seattle or is there still more to come there?
(41:24):
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