December 12, 2022 • 53 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys recap the biggest games from week 14 including the Chargers exposing the Dolphins on Sunday Night Football, Brock Purdy besting Tom Brady and the Cowboys struggling against the lowly Texans.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with LaVar areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks
on Radio Happy Monday, Guys, how we feeling Yeah, how
we feeling fired up? Energized? The fellas? You know, do
you think a lot of the Dolphins fans right now? Yeah?
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Do you think a lot of TA haters? A lot
of people out there? What do they call him to
and on? Is that? Are those the supporters like fans
of TWA. So the people that don't like to they're
probably pretty thrilled with what they've seen the past couple
of games, probably feel feel vindicated with their criticism of
what the Miami Dolphins are the past couple of games,
based on their performances, seems like it was. It was
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going around and people were pretty pleased with Justin Herbert
out playing to a tog of ila last night. Although
all you have to do is basically throw it up
to Tyreek Hill and then he'll just go ahead and
take the rest from there, even if he's got a
banged up wheel. You don't have to do that. You
said a fubble chone too. That's the way of scoring.
That was. But I like what he picked it up
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and nobody had a chance to it. Just pointed and
just said he had just taken around the side. Nobody's
got a chance. Before you think he was the kid
at playground that like just dominated kids since he was
a kindergarten I would assume. So, yeah, even even before,
like you know, it's like how it gets real competitive
practices and stuff like that. In that games, he was
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the kid that was actually better than the kids playing
in the games on Saturdays. They were like, look at
that kid that right there, he's moving better than the
kids that are out there on the field. He's that
one in the pickup games. Everybody like, look at him.
He's only five. He did little. Yeah, he yoked up. Yeah,
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they were it was pretty impressive. Tyreek Hill on a
couple of plays last night, but not in the last
The l A Chargers get it done, and look, I
don't know that that anybody looks at them as being
a legit contender in the a f C. But I
think we're kind of at the point where it feels
like if they don't make the playoffs, Brandon Staley might
be done. Like like we we could be looking at
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Brandon Staley being out of a job. They don't make
the playoffs, so really it feels like he's kind of
coaching for his gig. There were men the rest of
the way, as opposed to Mike McDaniel, who's feel good story.
Everybody likes what he's done with two it feels like
both those guys are kind of in different spots. And
quarterback came out in the same draft class. But Brandon
Staley and all the talent they're they're trying to find
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a guy that maximizes that. So maybe maybe the Chargers
going to run here and there are another threat in
the a f C. You know where they're currently right now, Yeah,
the seven the seventh spot. Now, I don't know how
that factors in with the Patriots if they were to
win to night, because they I believe also would be
seven and six. But I know this, it doesn't kick
out the Jets because if the Patriots would have wanted,
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would have kicked out the Jets since they have the
sweep against them, and now with the Chargers definitively winning,
the Jets are at this point. We'll get to that
a little bit, but it's heating up in the f C.
I mean, we're getting a lot of jockeying, a lot
of jockeying around for a position, if you will, you
know my my biggest takeaways. I guess my biggest storyline
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from from the late night game was it you you
wanted to see if if Miami could win a big
game that wasn't super super super big. And I know
that might sound weird, but this was a big game
for for Miami. This was a big game for the Chargers,
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even though both teams are kind of at that fringe point.
Right there, at that fringe mark of you know, you
could almost have the conversation of how good a teams are?
They like, do we know how good the Miami Dolphins
are at this point? Do we know how good the
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l A Chargers are? So while I'm watching the game,
it's kind of like, who's going to establish you know
that this is a team that's going in there, they're
playing December football. Who's going in the right direction? I
would say it. I did not come out of the
game feeling that there was a definitive answer to that question,
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even though the Chargers won. I don't know, I maybe
I was underwhelmed by the fashion in which they won.
But now I'm starting to look at Miami and I'm like,
Miami is starting to kind of look a little bit
like the team where we're like, yeah, that's you know,
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they're better than what they have been, but they're certainly
not upper echelance elite. I mean, is that is that?
Is that an unfair Are you trying to say that
they look more like the Brian Florest offense? Is that
what you're trying to say that? I say they they
look maybe a little better, but but kind of esque.
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I mean, just called what it is. Look, they they've
had a great season thus far, and then the last
two weeks, you know, they've been on the road. We knew,
we talked about this after to b Houston, this is
gonna be that stretch where they went at San France,
at l A, at Buffalo. I mean, that is a
ridiculous stretch in three weeks time, and so you knew
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that was gonna be a rough stretch for them. And
we're now kind of seeing a play out. And I
think for the people out there who didn't want to
believe in Tuah, last night was a game that probably
lead you to, you know, be standing on your soapbox,
you know, screaming out there. There's other people who called
Justin Herbert or social media quarterback whatever that means. Uh.
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He Herbert proved those people wrong. And but you you
find yourself this position now where to us build up
so much equity. He's had such a good season, but
down the stretch where they've needed him to play his best.
And and and by the way, I don't know that last
night was fully on to a I mean, there are
some balls where there are some contestant catches, some of
the things that could have been made, and I didn't
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think he got a lot of help. I thought that
was an instance where you saw him, especially earlier in
the game. Guys just weren't making plays. I mean, and
and look, the coverage is tight. There's there's not much
you're gonna do about it. You know. The Charges did
the exact same thing that San Francisco FORDA Nighters did.
They played a lot software zone covers. Their backers were
getting really good depth underneath all the intermediate routes because
that's what the Dolphins do. They take chunks somewhere between
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fifteen and twenty yards and then they take bombs like
that's essentially if they're not throwing a screen. And the
Chargers watched that save from the forty niners, and they said,
all right, watch what Fred Warner did. Watch with some
of these other guys did with San Francisco. If they're
usually fifteen yards deep, they got closer to twenty and
it took away a lot of those deeper, you know,
chunk plays that Miami has been able to get this year.
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And kudos to brand Staley and his team for playing
aggressive like they always do, but also implementing something that
stopped the Dolphins the previous week. And I would imagine
the Buffalo Bills are gonna do the same thing. Weather
pending there in Buffalo? Are we going to get a
snow game? Are you? Are you? It's always up with
there in Buffalo. This come right now? Yeah, they're giving
some flurries out there. You saw yesterday Detroit again. Yeah yeah, Well,
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I mean, if it gets anywhere over like an inch
and a half, apparently that leave that joke alone, everybody.
But point being, it kind of feels like my dangerous
accumulating dangerous. It does kind of feel though that we
just go back to the original point that did you
guys at any point this season actually think Miami was
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a legitimate contender to win the a f C before
two US first first head injury, I'll say no, but yeah,
I think they could be a playoff. Yeah, I thought
that could be a playoff teams like like a second
tier team in the a f C. Leon I thought
that they look like a much improved team that could
possibly be a playoff. But not a Chiefs, not a Bills,
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I would say, not a Bengals. So just it's kind
of where we thought they were going to be. Turned
it on they did last year, didn't they? Yeah, anything
turns it on Cincinnati, Cincinnati. It just kind of feels
like we've, yeah, we're getting clarity on on who the
teams that are legitimate contenders in the a f C
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are and Miami and the Chargers. I don't know that
anybody looked at him and said two of those teams. Yeah,
And so all that's done, I think the past couple
of weeks and then next week against Buffalo, I think
all that's gonna do is just showcase that there's still
a clear difference between the two. And you know, everybody's
gonna point to the difference between quarterback in Buffalo and
Miami or Kansas City in Miami. And then just go
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back to the same old conversation everybody has, like they
have with a lot of quarterbacks in the league. He's
good enough, but can you won a Super Bowl with him?
I just but I don't think it takes away from
what Mike McDaniel has done. They've made to a legitimate
starting quarterback in the NFL and whether they can win
a Super Bowl or not. I mean, there's a lot
of guys who you look at the end of their
career and say, well, they never want a Super Bowl.
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Doesn't mean they can't be a good quarter But there
was poor quarterback play from a lot more quarterbacks. There
was a vast majority of quarterbacks that played not at
a high level versus a high level yesterday. I mean
from what I could gather, you know, from all the
games I was able to watch and and obviously go
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and and get get the information of of the games
the way the best way you can are the ones
that you weren't able to fully see. From what I
could gather, it wasn't a dominant day by by quarterbacks.
So I mean it's not this isn't like a too thing.
This is a how much how much better can your
team as a whole play, because there are there's going
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to be reasons possibly outside of the player, your quarterback,
that's going to be the reason why a team is
able to win. I mean, and we'll talk about some
of these other teams. I see what we're going into,
you know, next segment. You know, you see a guy
played a way that that that you know Brock played
and the way he was He's been lauded for the
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way that he's played, but you know, there were a
lot of other elements involved, um, mainly the health of
of Trent Williams and Christian McCaffrey that would you know,
make you feel as though it's it's if you're doing
he said something very interesting, I'm doing exactly what coach
Santahan has coached me up to do. Yeah, you know,
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I don't know how how often you see that with
quarterbacks right now, that they're going to do exactly like
be happy to say it, like I'm doing exactly what
I've been coached to do, you know, And that's that's like,
you know, maybe that's the era of time we're in
right now with quarterbacks where you know, they feel like
it has to be their way. You see how that
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is going in in and uh, you know, broncos Land
and denver Um. But it's it was nice to hear
a guys say, you know what, I didn't really deviate
from anything that I was told to do and I
was taught to do. I did exactly what I was
told to do, and look at what happened. So you know,
I don't know. I think it's interesting though, because I
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don't think a lot of quarterbacks play super tremendously well
yesterday regardless. But but I also think it's a time
to season where there's so much tape on you people
have a pretty good book out on what you can do.
You're some teams, especially offensively, are limited depending on who's
injured and what they're dealing with at this point. You know,
I think that always plays to the advantage of the defense.
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And then you mix in weather, right, you start to
mix in what you're getting in the northeast or what
you're getting in the northern parts of the country with
some of the wind, whether you know things that that
are going to slow that down. Um. But I think
the biggest takeaway just from the games this past weekend,
and not to take anything away from tonight's game, but
neither the Cardinals door the Patriots are teams that I
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view as a top of either side of the conference.
But but I would say that I think Cincinnati is
the hottest team in the a f C right now,
and Philly looks like another team that just seems unbeatable,
like they have so far have not had any games
that make you like scratch your head and go wolf
that Whereas Dallas yesterday was that team for me, And
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I told you guys this past week they do it
once a year, and I know they ended up winning
out that game, and people are gonna their takeaway is
gonna be We'll look at Dak and look at the Cowboys,
and that's what good teams do. They drive down the field,
they go find a way of scoring and winning the game.
And I give them all the respect for being able
to execute in that instance where you're going. But if
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you're if you're not a one in ten football team
one ten and one whatever the Texans are, I mean,
you're you got what four downs to get in the
end zone inside the five, Like give me a break,
Like that's one where if you're playing halfway decent team
about the worst team of the league, you fight a
way to punch that in the end zone. Yeah, so,
and and if you don't, for me, I'm taking the points.
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I'm taking the points like I'm gonna put the pressure
on my defense to cover them and make them have
to score. And even if they score, even if they score, right,
it's a what you still can march down the field
if by chance you had, like they're in the same situation,
if they go down and they score, it's it's what
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a p to win there. If Houston scored a touchdown there,
they're making a two position possession game. The games over,
right if they I know that, I know that, But
they weren't. They were going backwards at the point in
time that they got the fourth down like it didn't
look good. It didn't look good the way they and
I get that. I know they would have made it
a two possession game. But if you take the points
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and you make it what what what would have been
twenty to twenty? Right, it would have been a six
point game. If they are able to march down and score,
you're still in a situation where three points gets you
the victory. That's for me. I thought it was questionable.
Like I agree that if I get the double digit
or the two possessing game that it's it's done. But
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their play calling was not looking like they we're going
to get into the end zone. Like it did not
look like they were going to get in. They were
trying to run. They were playing on the other side
of of Houston side of the ball. Why not kick
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Niners were three and ap point favorites over the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers yesterday and h yeah, I missed that one.
So that was a swing and a miss on that,
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and that game was over, and it was overfast, and
Tampa Bay does not look like a very good football team.
Hold on, hold on, but let's just have the conversation. Uh,
is it over for Tom? I mean on the football
field or because there's also conversation. Yeah, we we can
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get into that next but I think we started the
football field then work to how that translates off the field.
Is it him or is it the offense? Because you
you've said it on this show a couple of times.
He can still make the throws like he can still
make but yeah, not all the time, like the fourth
down that he kind of threw the back of the
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Mike Evans ankles earlier in the game. I've watched that
going to like, I know he was frustrated to play
before because he thought God wouldn't got held and he
pretty did it. I mean, you can't be begging so
bad for calls that you then just you know, throwing
the town on the next play or allow it to
impact that next play. And obviously he knows better than
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anyone else that, but I think that's where he's getting
in his career. It feels like watching them, they are
desperate for offensive production, for points, you know, for things
that to go their way like they they and maybe
you could say at different points in time in his
career he has been lucky, you know, the balls bounced
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his way, he's gotten the call. There's raiders fans wh
would say that obviously with the tuck rule and how
that's all changed. If that same plan happened in today's game,
tom Brady is not going to a super Bowl. So
I just I kind of look at it and I go,
I know people have wanted to call it and when
it's time and all that this this feels like it
looks like it is. And I know there weren't there
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weren't a ton of suitors for Tom Brady when he
left New England. I'm not sure if people realize that
this wasn't Peyton Manning and everyone, you know, basically you know,
trying to advertise or market to get paydon to come
to their place coming off a neck injury. Mind you,
this is a forty five year old Tom Brady who
in a year's time looks a lot different and now
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he's a good decision maker. He obviously is still distributing
the football, but him and Mike Evans are on the
same page. And and look, maybe it is partially the offense.
You know, maybe you put him with with someone who's
you know, I don't know, more creative or had more success,
you know from what I've heard, Uh, they were hoping
maybe Byron left, which got a head coaching job, and
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then he was gonna be able to, you know, have
more control over things as far as play calling goes.
You know, he has been overly impressed with that, so
maybe that's part of it. There's some frustration there. But
whatever the case is, heat is not I mean, it
looks like it's finally catching up to him. It really does.
Father time is finally catching up. It looks like Mike
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Evans isn't a party to it either, Like it looked
like he it was just irritating him. Whatever, whatever the
disconnect was, it just seemed like they the body language,
the energy, you know, exchange just seemed to be kind
of off. Like the timing of everything seemed to be off.
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You know, things that you would have expected them to
to be able to pull off together, you know, speaking
of Mike and Tom just wasn't there. And and and
it looked as though, you know Tom, Tom has the
tendency and you make book on it. If he if
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he feels there's a guy he trusts, he's staying with him,
Like if something doesn't go right, if it doesn't feel right,
he's staying with one guy. And it was interesting that
he went to Godwin and was trying to stay with
Godwin in the game like that was, We're gonna win
or lose depending on what god One is able to do.
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I mean he went to Mike a few times. But
they just don't seem to be on the same page.
And and you don't have a running attack. You're running
game isn't isn't really working. Your defense was playing hard.
But I don't know, man, they just they look like
an average team. And that's with Tom Brady. They look bad,
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they look below average. We'll ask yourself this. They've got
identical They've got an identical record of the Detroit Lion
and could have lost very easily last week and had
a worse Who's Who's Who's a better team? Yeah, the
Lions by far are a better football team, the better offense.
At least say that better offense. They're going in the
right direction. I'll tell you that that was a big
win for them. Can I ask you this did they have?
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I know it's early on with jamisonas what he immediately
in his second game comes and makes an impact. You
see the speed, big playability. They might have the top
like best four the top five group of four wide receivers.
When when you think about amer ross st Brown, how
he's kind of been that stable piece DJ Shark the
moments he's had. Now now it's you know, say Josh Wedels,
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but now that Jamison Williams too, like all four of
those guys. That something. I mean, people Detroit need to
start looking at that front office and looking at what
Dan Campbell's done at the coaching staff, developing, helping to
build this roster. They deserve a lot of credit. And
I know people are gonna probably hammer us for talking
about a team that's still gonna losing record. They are
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so dramatically improved from what they've been you have to
acknowledge it, and you acknowledge it because that's that's the point.
They've got the same record as Tampa Bay and they
feel like completely different franchises just heading in completely different
because there's completely different expectations too, Like you don't have
an expectation for Detroit like you do for Tampa. We're
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expecting Tampa to to snap out of it, Like when
are you gonna snap out of it? What if they're
not going to snap? But at this point this season,
you are what you are, right kind of sort of yeah,
I mean it's you know, week fourteen, and they're just
kind of up and down and up and down, and
I don't know who's gonna get them in the first round,
assuming they still win the NFC South, which would would
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be my assumption. They're gonna win the NFC South, but
who the hell knows with Caroline and the way they're
playing recently. But whoever gets them in the first round,
And it looks like it's probably gonna be Dallas at
this point. I mean, I don't think Tampa has a chance.
It is great draw. Only problem is only problem is
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here we go, here we go. I don't trust their
offense and Tampa Bay tampas, Yeah, and Tampa Bay could
could easily sneak up on them and make it a
worst horrible day for him. I mean, I'll give you that.
Top Brady in the playoffs just makes you go off.
He's obviously got a shot. It's Tom Brady, right, Tom Brady,
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not this team. Man. I'm sorry, Like I just and
I feel back is Defensively, they're starting to wear down
a bit, right. There were some plays in that game,
like Jamal Deane. I have no idea why he's biting
on a double move and he just allows Brock pretty
the lob one up and we should talk Brock Purty. Yeah,
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he look, he did what they asked him to do.
But let's not let's not read into this too much.
You know, people are acting like he threw for four
d yards. Yeah, so like he didn't. It was that
he put the team on his back. It's just I'm
not sure if they if the broadcast is just trying
to sell the game, or it's such a good story
because he was Mr. Irrelevant and the story with his parents.
His parents haven't been too many games this year, but
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they were coming to this one because they wanted to
see Tom Brady. Just so happens. Brock Purti is getting
his first start. I mean, look, he was efficient, he
did what he was asked to do. Um, but it
helps when you have Christian McCaffrey run for almost a
hundred and twenty yards on fourteen carries. I mean think
about that, literally, the dudes ripping off runs for almost
six yards and attempt. I mean it helps when you've
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got that in your backfield. So I just kind of
look at it and go all right, like between you know,
their their ground game and the way things that kind
of opened up for him. I'm not I'm not. I'm
not trying to take anything away. I just pumped the
brakes on it. Uh, Kyle Shannon, and he's he's like
the Kansas City of the NFC. His play calling, his
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his ability to use his guys in different manners. Like
everybody's like, oh, this is the most versatile group of Well,
that's because Kyle Shanahan uses them in versatile positions. I
mean that's he's putting kid on the backfield, he's lining
you know, McCaffrey out on on the edge like you
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you got you got Samuel over here, he's in the
wings slot position. Like you don't really have the ability
to create I mean, you would really have to try
to create book on them to know what their tendencies
are based upon where guys are aligned. And I think
it would be a nightmare as as a defensive coordinator
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and as a defense to prepare for the forty niners
and and listen, they lose debo yesterday. Hopefully he he
you know, gets better, well well soon. But being a
report as a high ankle sprain, that's looking like it
looked like it was a double high ankle sprain. And
then not to mention like you sit on the on
the message like and he grabbed his knee, you know,
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and we thought it. We thought when when von Miller
went down, it's like, oh, that's high ankle, Like that
looks like an ankle or or like an achilles situation.
Turns out his knee was so you you know, until
they check you off. I thought that's what you said. Yeah,
but I thought they put it on pretty quickly. So
nobody caught that on the project. So they put his
knee actually just popped back off and just threw it on.
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You know. It's amazing the technology here. Uh So, hey, LeVar,
speaking of what we were talking about yesterday, you said
that there could be a couple of players, uh who
maybe needs Yeah, and they maybe need to start, you know,
getting some boxes together. Heard what Q said, like, it's
like let's pump our brakes, let's slow down a little bit,
this down another. But there's always a reason why the
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media gets behind certain stories. There's always an origin. Who's
in San Francisco? I mean, they're all in trouble. If
if brock Purty keeps playing the way that that he's playing,
it's a rap for all of them Food, Trey Lanton,
Jimmy g What what year would this be for a
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trade coming up for three? Yeah, that might be the
only thing saving him is that they don't have to
read like if Brock continues to play the way that
he's playing, well, let me just say this. Think about
in the past, who Kyle Shanahan has won games with
or like match Shop Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl Quarterback r
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G three Rookie of the Year, Offensive Rookie of the Year,
least his rookie year. He's won games with Nick Mullins.
Remember the hype around Nick Mullins, Like Nick Mullins was
traded for this season because of what Kyle Shannonhan has
done with him were now people look at him as
a viable backup option. C J. Bethord same thing, like
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he is to LaVar. To your point, I still to
this day never feel like Kyle Shanahan gets to do
in the credit for the offensive mind that he is.
I think in the league, in league circles, anytime people
start talking about hot Sea whatever else, other coaches go,
you're crazy. He'll get a job in a second. Like
he will literally be putting the first thing in his
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box to go if the forty Niners ever move on
from him, and he'll already have five texts by just
saying are you coming? Are you gonna? Are you coming?
Do you want this job? Are you already will be done.
That's how well respected he is as an offensive mind
and the things that he does. It's not just the
talent they have. And I think it's in part because
their defense is so talented, it kind of gets overshadowed
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when meanwhile they've had all these injuries at the quarterback position.
But I just I look, I look at his offensive
prowess and the way he goes about calling plays and
designing plays, and you go, yeah, of course, you know
San Francisco is gonna have a shot at getting in
the playoffs and making a run if brock Purdy just
does what Kyle Shanahan, you know, go to them to do.
But here's the truth that only lasts for so long
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before a team gets a book out on what brock
Purdy is able to do, like he was the last
pick of the draft, because there's limitations to his game.
And guess what a teams eventually gonna do. They're gonna
force him to have to play within those limitations and
win games with those limitations, they'll they'll stop the run,
they'll be able to score enough points where they'll say, Okay, Brock,
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pretty go win it. And and that's where that's where
you kind of get caught up in some of the
hype right now. But once you get in the playoffs,
once you get those those games where there's two or
three games now with him starting, there's a book out autumn,
you start to see the true colors reveal themselves. Yeah,
but I think Shanahan, what what I saw him do
with r G three that rookie season, and I was
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there covering it like day to day, what he was
able to do to take those those limitations that he
had was phenomenal. I would you feel like, hell yeah,
hell yeah. He's a one read dude. RG three. R
G three was a one read dude. Maybe it'll that'll
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be included in this book. I'm gonna read. Look, look,
I'm gonna read this. This is my read. Nope, not,
they're out of here. I'm out of here, like literally,
I'm running. He's running. And once people figured out that,
all right, we're gonna follow his head anyway, not getting
too deep off in r G three. I just think
the point is with with with Shanahan, if he can
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maintain the balance and and that's a tremendous loss, losing
Deebo Samuel and it really is. But if he can
keep that offensive front healthy, especially mainly Trent Williams. Like
you were talking about McCaffrey getting six yards and and
four yards and yard big yards. You know why, because
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Big Trent was out there clearing clearings out. I mean
he was there was There were certain runs where he
didn't even get touched until he was six seven yards
down the field. So if if, if Shanahan can keep
a healthy balance between that run game and keep that
pressure from having to be what purties his limitations are.
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I feel like they're still sitting pretty man, because their
defense is flying around. They've always been known to be
a pretty physical team up front. I mean they bring
it like a new age Denver Broncos and Mike Shanahan
Denver Broncos team, Like you see the personality to disposition,
like the way the era of confidence that that they
moved with. They're dangerous, man. Philly prooved to me yesterday
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They're the most dangerous team and the NSC and could
be the most dangerous team in the league. They they
proved that, Like, I'm not gonna make them a qualifier anymore.
They're they're the most dangerous team. On end, I think
the forty Niners are the second. I think that they
have to be looked at as as that next that
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next group, that next group. I really do I think
they're that because I'm gonna tell you Washington is dangerous.
New York I'm not on I'm I'm I'm off that boat.
I'm I'm off of that train. But both New York's,
both New York's I'm I'm off that train, like I'm not,
I'm not riding that subway. But but I still feel
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as though Washington could be that that next team that's
like they're taking they're taking a step forward. It's possible.
But if I'm saying right now today, who's that third
team that's dangerous, that could be dangerous, I'm gonna give
it to to Dallas because I've never wavered on their defense.
That's all. I've never wavered on their defense. Be sure
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wherever you get your podcasts. Con Rich, give me the hell? Yeah? So,
why the hell do the Dallas Cowboys have one of
the games every year or a couple of these games
every year? Like? What? What? What is the what is
the most plausible explanation for why that happened yesterday at
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home against the awful Houston Texans who were rotating quarterbacks
like they were rotating interior lineman during that game. Why
the hell did that game play out the way that
it did. What's the best explanation for the Cowboys every year?
I mean I was to say the one constants text
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Nexter's just fine. I'm just saying, like, that's that's the
one constant, right, I mean, I don't know. I view
this team and every single year we kind of watched them.
We know they're talented, we know what they're capable of.
I don't know, maybe you say it's Jerry Jones, maybe
say it's their owner and the culture that he's created there,
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because it's all it's been like this for a while,
like a team with so many talented players, yet they
just they have one of those games. Is that makes
you scratch your head and or maybe you want to
chock it up the fact it's the NFL and this
league is built for parody. There there's you know, even
the worst team in the Houston Texans can go on
the road and play for one of the better teams tough,
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and ultimately you know that Cowboys still won this game.
But these are the types of games that every single
year it makes you lose any faith in Dallas doing anything.
Once they get to the playoffs and like their tenant
three football teable of far can we admit through going
to the playoffs? Now? Yeah, well I told you I
backed up on that last week. You know, I ate that,
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um just do what I do lying, so you never
said it. That's what jonath every time. I own it.
But but my reasoning for thinking that they're not a
playoff team still is alive. And that's because I don't
trust their offense. I just don't trust their offense. Okay,
hold on, why don't you trust their offense because I
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don't trust that. I mean, Okay, Buddy was talking to
me about this, and this is where this conversation is
like leading me to like, what's his signature moment his
entire career starting for the Dallas Cowboys. But can you
think of one signature win where you go, oh, I
remember that? Like yeah, like that was that was it?
He out negotiated Jerry Jones. That's a signature moment. Signature
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moment with a signature initials. He's a great dude, he's
a good leader. I just I think when you're looking
back now on him and in comparison to like where
would you even rank him amongst other quarterbacks within the NFL.
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I mean, well, people will use stats to paint a
picture of of a higher level of of accomplishment and achievement,
but I just don't. I don't see it. Like, I
know he's won a lot, I know he's been a
win I do know that. I know he has great
stat lines. I do know that. I'm aware of that.
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I just I just have not seen this team definitively
go to a level where you're like, yeah, like they're dangerous.
Here's this is a dangerous team. Here's the other thing.
So we all agree Houston's an awful football team. Right
in Indianapolis is a bad football team, right, Well, they're there,
they have at least they have personnel though, but there
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they're not. They're not in a great place. Yeah they're
they're there are four win football team going into that
whatever the hell you call that fourth quarter last week
against Indianapolis. It was only a two point game, So
it's not like, well, it's just this one game again. No,
man like Indianapolis was competitive in that game and Dak
Prescott was was awful yesterday. And look, I understand why
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the Texans, you know, want to go for it. You're
at that point and you figure out, well, let's make
him drive all the way down the field and and
give Dallas credit for driving down the field and getting
the getting the score and getting the win. But I
don't know if you're a Cowboy fan, how you walk
away from yesterday's game and go, yeah, whatever, don't worry
about it, like at some point, like you gotta worry
about Cowboys fast sight out about everything though, Well, can
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I put this out there for you guys? Do you
remember when Dak was out and it was the Cooper rush?
Do you know what? You want to know why that
argument even happens? Because your starter hasn't separated himself so
much from the backup that you even have that debate,
Like do we really have that debate about Patrick Mahomes
or Josh Allen whoever's behind him, or Justin Herbert whoever's
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behind him. I mean, we don't have that conversation about
Tua and whoever's behind him, Joe Burrow, whoever's behind him.
I mean, think about that for a second, Kirk Cousins,
whoever's behind We don't have those conversations about those guys, don't.
And that's the difference is like Cooper Rush came in
and we're almost going, oh, maybe this should be the
people were literally saying, maybe this should be the guy
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like the rushes on. I'm like, if your starter has
has differentiated himself so much so from the back of
you that that debates never even happening, and so I
just I feel like it's easier to then entertain those
ideas of a guy like Cooper Rush or name what
other quarterback would potentially do just as well in the system.
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Is because you're looking at your starter and you're saying, well,
what does he do extraordinarily well, Like, what's his skill
set that's so different than everyone else? And look, sometimes
those things are intangibles that you can't put your finger on,
and maybe it's leadership quality, tough dis grid, some of
those things that are harder to to see on tape,
like a big arm or the ability to make off
platform throws or you know, extremely accurate intermediate downfield throws,
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you know, whatever the case is, running ability like Lamar
Jackson has. Like I get sometimes it's harder to see
those things, but we really don't, like, we really don't
have those conversations with some of these other quarterbacks who
have established themselves. Dak Prescott started law gonna have to
establish himself. That was a narrative earlier this year, and
you gotta ask yourself why, like why was that even
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a narrative that people talked about earlier this season? And
I think it has to do with the fact that
Dak Prescott struck a second contract at the right time.
But ultimately, will he be able to get this team
past a certain point? It doesn't, It doesn't feel like that.
It just doesn't. In my mind, Dallas struck paid dirt
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when they brought on dan Quinn because if you have
the same defense pre dan Quinn, where is this team
at right now? I mean it's the defense that was
the difference in that game they were holding up. I
mean you look at the point totals, like the output
of of scoring. The defense has been doing their best
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outside of being that Ravens type defense that was really scoring.
You know, they were turning. You know that that you
know Tampa Bay Buccaneers defense that want to sue per Bowl.
You know, you look at teams that didn't have the craziest,
craziest of of offenses. When you have a strong defense,
that defense has turned turned turnovers into points. And right now,
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if you don't see Dallas generating points on defense, but
they're keeping them in games, like they kept them in
that game and it gave them the opportunity to have
a last a last minute drive that that won the
game for them. I think about what you just said,
the defense kept him in the game against the Texans. Yes,
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if the defense, Like you know, what's funny, I know
Michael really well. I'm looking at MICA's face on camera, Like,
did y'all see his face? How dejected he looked at
or he looked looked at um. They know, they know
that that they are are trying to balance out of
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a lopsided approach to what's going on or a lopsided
you know results. They know that they're doing that. And
that's the interesting part for me is how far do
you go knowing that your offense can't be trusted. You
can't trust them, And that's just what it is. You
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can't trust the Dallas offense. So if you don't have
that defense gig in the way that they're gigging, and
once you get to the playoffs, you know, I only
know about it from from playing experience one time, but
I will say this, the level of intensity that comes
with playing in the playoffs is way higher. And and
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if they're lucky enough to get a good draw where
they play, you know, a team that that isn't that
good in the first round. I don't know that that's
a benefit to make it out of the first round
against a weaker team only to go play a stronger team.
That what's going to happen. What's going to happen when
you go up against the team that has the offense
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that can deal with your defense. What's going to happen
is your is your offense going to be prepared to
step up and even out the playing field and give
you points to make you competitive in the game. My
answer to that is still incomplete, and as long as
it's incomplete as an NFL team, I don't have the
confidence that they can make a legitimate Super Bowl run
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or even get to the NFC Championship game prior to
the Super Bowl. By the way, Dak Prescott's got nine
interceptions on the season. Matt Ryan leads the league with thirteen.
But Dak also missed how many games, four or five games?
Like he hasn't been good this year and so like
you're just you're watching this going, okay, if it's if
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it's got to be the defense and they gotta run
the football. Yeah, that's a lot of money you gave
a quarterback who Now, all of a sudden, you come
back a couple of years later and say, thank God,
the defense bailed us out against the one wind Texans
who were playing two quarterbacks. I've had defenses in the
past that have done that. But is this defense on
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that level? This is a really really good defense, a
really talented defense. But I'm not putting them in in
in the rankings of the Ravens in two thousand, or
the the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and what was that old one, Like,
I'm not I'm not putting them on that level. Oh three,
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I'm not putting them on that level. So if you
don't have a defense that has hall of famers up
front on the back end and then on the back
end like a Rande Barber, Hey, John Lynch, Derek Brooks,
a Warren Sap, A Simi and Rice, Like, I'm not
putting those guys on that level. Like DeMarcus Lawrence is
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is nice, Like he's nice. Michael Parsons is not can do.
They have the ability to be on that level. Sure
you know what they need, what I need, you know,
and in fact, they need not until the playoffs because
big games when the lights did that bother you guys
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when he said that. I mean, I'll be honest with you,
I think there's there was gonna be a reaction to it.
But I understood what he meant, and I would just say,
generally speaking, people probably won't like this. If you can
get away with that, you do it too. Like if
you could basically say to a team, like, if y'all
don't need men during the regular season, why wouldn't I
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just wait until the game's actually matter get involved Now.
I'm obviously I've played, and I understand, like you need time,
you need chemistry, need all those things to build up
with your quarterback. And I think you know, when when O.
B J First got to l A last year, you know,
you didn't see it really pay off in the regular season.
You saw pay off the playoffs. And that's where I
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think if he wants to be with the team, he
needs to be with the team to to you know,
build on that. But I mean part of me didn't
rather have much of an issue with it. He when
he's there, he works hard, he does what he needs
to do, and he'll be ready. Like I can understand,
like what he was saying from the standpoint that he's
had what to a c O injuries in the same knee,
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and I think they cleaned up another knee. I mean,
there was a lot of things going on there. So
I think at this point you can understand why he's like,
I'm not going to risk it unless we're going for
a championship, and that's when when I'll put on the line.
I don't have a problem with him, and I don't
have a problem with what he said. So it's kind
of that doesn't That doesn't bother you, like him saying
(44:40):
it's his knee, it's his life, it's his career, Like, no,
it doesn't bother I don't. I don't need to show
you anything in the regular season, just I'll be there
when account it's like and and his his point, by
the way, his currents, that is his current situation. You know,
I think he I think he's trying to get on
the team. I'll be so I think, um, he's in
(45:03):
the situation where he's not getting picked up. So I'm
If I'm him, I'm basically saying, look like, that's cool,
come get me in the playoffs. I'm not playing just
to play at this point now, I will say that
if I'm O b J, what are you playing for?
Like with with your health concerns and and you know
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where you are right now currently, what are you playing for?
And I would assume you're playing for the opportunity to
win championships. So if you can wait it out and
and get picked up. But that doesn't that doesn't justify
the whole. I wanna be able to settle down. I
want to be able to wake up at six am
(45:46):
and leave at six pm. It kind of throws off
that narrative. It's like, what where are you at with everything?
It's because he was talking to a bunch of NBA
players and he was like, well, this is kind of
like loading itself. It might have been feeling itself in
that moment. You know, you were at the barbershop with
the Lebron James crew. I mean, you know you might
(46:06):
have been feeling yourself a little bit. That's possible, it
feel to feel yourself a little bit. You know, I
never feel like I've ever really wanted, like I'm feeling myself.
Sometimes you get around people and it's just hard not
to be feeling yourself, Like, man, I'm in the room
talking with I can recall one time I was at
a black jack table with with with Michael Jordan's. Well
(46:31):
it is black jack. I don't know if jack was
black and that's how it became black jack, but I
just know I was at the black jack table canceled
jack first name black. Yeah, we were sitting there and
it's Michael Jordan's, Charles Oakley, Charles Barkley, and Patrick Ewing.
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Now we're not a ways and do I fit spectator
And the only reason why I'm standing there just so
everybody's clear, because for one, I didn't even know the
chips that they were using even existed. Okay, whatever those
colored chips they were using, I ain't know, I ain't
never seen. No, they were like twenty five and their
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their chocolate chips is what they are. And so there
you go, black jack chocolate chips, two dollar chips. Yeah, damn.
And they was and they was like putting them bad
boys up on there like it was like betting nickels,
Like this ain't nickels this is like two d g
s that you just put up on on there and
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them sons of guns was black jacket and stuff like
it's crazy anyway, So I was in Washington at the
same time. MJ was in Washington, right, so this is
my only only reason why I'm even close enough to them.
And I forget where were we Was it Atlantic City?
I want to say it was Atlantic City? And they
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called the MJ caught me over and I had met
Pat Ewing as well, so I was familiar with pat
Ewing and they called me over. And that was the
first time I had met Berkeley and um first time
I had met Charles Oakley. But they were fans of me,
like Charles Oakley was a fan of me. So I'm
sitting there and they're telling me how much they're a
(48:25):
fan of me, while all these people are waiting down
like they couldn't come into the high roller area. So
I'm sitting up there and I literally had like a
ten minute conversation with these dudes while they're plaid. I'm
the only one up there holding court with these dudes,
and I was feeling myself. So they was sad stuff,
(48:45):
and I can't remember recall exactly what I said. It
would probably be incriminating to me as a person of
high moral character and values. Um, but I was just
talking out the left side and the right side and
probably the backside of my neck in terms of just
my responses. Feeling yourself. I was feeling myself. And then
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when I walked out, it was like, yeah, y'all, bitches,
move out of the way, you know. And that meant
everybody that wasn't that wasn't connected to any you know,
gender or anything like that. But I was like, yeah,
I would just get up out of a way. You know,
LaVar is coming through because I was still I was
still walking with the after glow, uh, feeling myself with
(49:27):
the goats, and and I kind of walked through the
casino that way because people were following me around like
you know, oh wow, like who are you? Like wait,
hold on, hold on, you don't know who I am.
But because I was still feeling usel and also you
parlay it into this show, see, so like that's like
(49:50):
that that all led you to this point, like feeling
yourself with Michael Jordan's betting all the chips, and you
parlay it into this show. Well, I'll say this some
coffee creamer that looks like Elmer's glue, And ye, that's true.
The only time I ever saw dudes go harder than
that on a black jack table was Kevin Plank and
Michael Phelps. And at that time, I was already acclimated
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to the chocolate chips, and they were using them bad boys,
and I would and I was participating in that one.
And look, look, look cute. I'm using hundreds, right, I'm
using thousands. What are the black chips? Thousand? I believe? What?
What are the what is the green chip? What racist?
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There's one that's above the black chip. Anyways, I would
use and maybe it's purple. I think it's purple. It's purple.
So I was using purple chips. Right, they're using chocolate chips,
and I I pulled out a pair of aces. I
pulled out a pair of aces. And and it's funny
(50:55):
because on that that one in particular split them bad boys.
Well Fell put a chocolate chip under my bet and
he was like, I'm going in on your bet too,
So I pulled aces and he splits them. If I'm
not splitting that, Like, why I don't, Well, I didn't
have the much. I didn't have the money to do it.
He put a twenty five dollar chip under my chips,
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so I had mine though. I said, I'll put mine
on top of yours, but I can't cover, you know.
He was like, we're splitting that. We split the aces
and got two black jacks there. I walked away, split,
I walked away. That's why you split. Day kept going.
I walked away. I got paid. Yeah, I got paid,
(51:37):
but not like his paid. Like I was looking at
the split and hit him and he got way more
paid than I did off of my own hands. And
I was like kind of like, you know that's what
that was called. What's that? That was a business decision?
Business decision. There you go, good for you, there you go,
But you gotta be willing to lose that hold on
what would we call that story? Is that relatable? Well? Yeah,
(51:58):
I mean because like everybody driving around on their way
to work, or you know, some guy listening on the
I Heart radio app and twenty degree weather, you know,
just doing construction. I mean, he too has gambled with
he doesn't have flippers for feet, you know what I mean. Sorry,
if you're flipping your work, then you'd be able to
do the same exact thing Michael Phelps is doing. Did
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you guys ever see that Sports Science where they broke
down Michael phelps body and they're like, it's perfectly designed
to swim in the water because he's got such like
a long torso shorter legs to like propel and his feet,
his feet, he's got webbing. Yeah, they got get whipped
to him and all that stuff. Like, Yeah, that was
the first time there's someone pointed out Jonas. Wasn't there
(52:42):
another time someone pointed out something going on like that
with Michael Phelps? Yeah, yeah, what happened? What's talking about? Yeah,
you gotta be Yeah, you just got a double check
sometimes who you're hanging out one, just just make sure
you're sure. But knowing Mike, he probably was sure at
(53:03):
the time hanging I'm just saying at the time he
was probably you know, you know, I mean, if they're
in the urinal next year, I would probably get out
of there, That's all I'm saying, you know, I would
just just depends, just depends, probably pretend like an that happen.
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on Radio Happy Monday, Guys, how we feeling Yeah, how
we feeling fired up? Energized? The fellas? You know, do
you think a lot of the Dolphins fans right now? Yeah?
(00:23):
Do you think a lot of TA haters? A lot
of people out there? What do they call him to
and on? Is that? Are those the supporters like fans
of TWA. So the people that don't like to they're
probably pretty thrilled with what they've seen the past couple
of games, probably feel feel vindicated with their criticism of
what the Miami Dolphins are the past couple of games,
based on their performances, seems like it was. It was
(00:44):
going around and people were pretty pleased with Justin Herbert
out playing to a tog of ila last night. Although
all you have to do is basically throw it up
to Tyreek Hill and then he'll just go ahead and
take the rest from there, even if he's got a
banged up wheel. You don't have to do that. You
said a fubble chone too. That's the way of scoring.
That was. But I like what he picked it up
(01:07):
and nobody had a chance to it. Just pointed and
just said he had just taken around the side. Nobody's
got a chance. Before you think he was the kid
at playground that like just dominated kids since he was
a kindergarten I would assume. So, yeah, even even before,
like you know, it's like how it gets real competitive
practices and stuff like that. In that games, he was
(01:29):
the kid that was actually better than the kids playing
in the games on Saturdays. They were like, look at
that kid that right there, he's moving better than the
kids that are out there on the field. He's that
one in the pickup games. Everybody like, look at him.
He's only five. He did little. Yeah, he yoked up. Yeah,
(01:55):
they were it was pretty impressive. Tyreek Hill on a
couple of plays last night, but not in the last
The l A Chargers get it done, and look, I
don't know that that anybody looks at them as being
a legit contender in the a f C. But I
think we're kind of at the point where it feels
like if they don't make the playoffs, Brandon Staley might
be done. Like like we we could be looking at
(02:15):
Brandon Staley being out of a job. They don't make
the playoffs, so really it feels like he's kind of
coaching for his gig. There were men the rest of
the way, as opposed to Mike McDaniel, who's feel good story.
Everybody likes what he's done with two it feels like
both those guys are kind of in different spots. And
quarterback came out in the same draft class. But Brandon
Staley and all the talent they're they're trying to find
(02:36):
a guy that maximizes that. So maybe maybe the Chargers
going to run here and there are another threat in
the a f C. You know where they're currently right now, Yeah,
the seven the seventh spot. Now, I don't know how
that factors in with the Patriots if they were to
win to night, because they I believe also would be
seven and six. But I know this, it doesn't kick
out the Jets because if the Patriots would have wanted,
(02:56):
would have kicked out the Jets since they have the
sweep against them, and now with the Chargers definitively winning,
the Jets are at this point. We'll get to that
a little bit, but it's heating up in the f C.
I mean, we're getting a lot of jockeying, a lot
of jockeying around for a position, if you will, you
know my my biggest takeaways. I guess my biggest storyline
(03:16):
from from the late night game was it you you
wanted to see if if Miami could win a big
game that wasn't super super super big. And I know
that might sound weird, but this was a big game
for for Miami. This was a big game for the Chargers,
(03:40):
even though both teams are kind of at that fringe point.
Right there, at that fringe mark of you know, you
could almost have the conversation of how good a teams are?
They like, do we know how good the Miami Dolphins
are at this point? Do we know how good the
(04:00):
l A Chargers are? So while I'm watching the game,
it's kind of like, who's going to establish you know
that this is a team that's going in there, they're
playing December football. Who's going in the right direction? I
would say it. I did not come out of the
game feeling that there was a definitive answer to that question,
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even though the Chargers won. I don't know, I maybe
I was underwhelmed by the fashion in which they won.
But now I'm starting to look at Miami and I'm like,
Miami is starting to kind of look a little bit
like the team where we're like, yeah, that's you know,
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they're better than what they have been, but they're certainly
not upper echelance elite. I mean, is that is that?
Is that an unfair Are you trying to say that
they look more like the Brian Florest offense? Is that
what you're trying to say that? I say they they
look maybe a little better, but but kind of esque.
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I mean, just called what it is. Look, they they've
had a great season thus far, and then the last
two weeks, you know, they've been on the road. We knew,
we talked about this after to b Houston, this is
gonna be that stretch where they went at San France,
at l A, at Buffalo. I mean, that is a
ridiculous stretch in three weeks time, and so you knew
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that was gonna be a rough stretch for them. And
we're now kind of seeing a play out. And I
think for the people out there who didn't want to
believe in Tuah, last night was a game that probably
lead you to, you know, be standing on your soapbox,
you know, screaming out there. There's other people who called
Justin Herbert or social media quarterback whatever that means. Uh.
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He Herbert proved those people wrong. And but you you
find yourself this position now where to us build up
so much equity. He's had such a good season, but
down the stretch where they've needed him to play his best.
And and and by the way, I don't know that last
night was fully on to a I mean, there are
some balls where there are some contestant catches, some of
the things that could have been made, and I didn't
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think he got a lot of help. I thought that
was an instance where you saw him, especially earlier in
the game. Guys just weren't making plays. I mean, and
and look, the coverage is tight. There's there's not much
you're gonna do about it. You know. The Charges did
the exact same thing that San Francisco FORDA Nighters did.
They played a lot software zone covers. Their backers were
getting really good depth underneath all the intermediate routes because
that's what the Dolphins do. They take chunks somewhere between
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fifteen and twenty yards and then they take bombs like
that's essentially if they're not throwing a screen. And the
Chargers watched that save from the forty niners, and they said,
all right, watch what Fred Warner did. Watch with some
of these other guys did with San Francisco. If they're
usually fifteen yards deep, they got closer to twenty and
it took away a lot of those deeper, you know,
chunk plays that Miami has been able to get this year.
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And kudos to brand Staley and his team for playing
aggressive like they always do, but also implementing something that
stopped the Dolphins the previous week. And I would imagine
the Buffalo Bills are gonna do the same thing. Weather
pending there in Buffalo? Are we going to get a
snow game? Are you? Are you? It's always up with
there in Buffalo. This come right now? Yeah, they're giving
some flurries out there. You saw yesterday Detroit again. Yeah yeah, Well,
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I mean, if it gets anywhere over like an inch
and a half, apparently that leave that joke alone, everybody.
But point being, it kind of feels like my dangerous
accumulating dangerous. It does kind of feel though that we
just go back to the original point that did you
guys at any point this season actually think Miami was
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a legitimate contender to win the a f C before
two US first first head injury, I'll say no, but yeah,
I think they could be a playoff. Yeah, I thought
that could be a playoff teams like like a second
tier team in the a f C. Leon I thought
that they look like a much improved team that could
possibly be a playoff. But not a Chiefs, not a Bills,
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I would say, not a Bengals. So just it's kind
of where we thought they were going to be. Turned
it on they did last year, didn't they? Yeah, anything
turns it on Cincinnati, Cincinnati. It just kind of feels
like we've, yeah, we're getting clarity on on who the
teams that are legitimate contenders in the a f C
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are and Miami and the Chargers. I don't know that
anybody looked at him and said two of those teams. Yeah,
And so all that's done, I think the past couple
of weeks and then next week against Buffalo, I think
all that's gonna do is just showcase that there's still
a clear difference between the two. And you know, everybody's
gonna point to the difference between quarterback in Buffalo and
Miami or Kansas City in Miami. And then just go
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back to the same old conversation everybody has, like they
have with a lot of quarterbacks in the league. He's
good enough, but can you won a Super Bowl with him?
I just but I don't think it takes away from
what Mike McDaniel has done. They've made to a legitimate
starting quarterback in the NFL and whether they can win
a Super Bowl or not. I mean, there's a lot
of guys who you look at the end of their
career and say, well, they never want a Super Bowl.
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Doesn't mean they can't be a good quarter But there
was poor quarterback play from a lot more quarterbacks. There
was a vast majority of quarterbacks that played not at
a high level versus a high level yesterday. I mean
from what I could gather, you know, from all the
games I was able to watch and and obviously go
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and and get get the information of of the games
the way the best way you can are the ones
that you weren't able to fully see. From what I
could gather, it wasn't a dominant day by by quarterbacks.
So I mean it's not this isn't like a too thing.
This is a how much how much better can your
team as a whole play, because there are there's going
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to be reasons possibly outside of the player, your quarterback,
that's going to be the reason why a team is
able to win. I mean, and we'll talk about some
of these other teams. I see what we're going into,
you know, next segment. You know, you see a guy
played a way that that that you know Brock played
and the way he was He's been lauded for the
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way that he's played, but you know, there were a
lot of other elements involved, um, mainly the health of
of Trent Williams and Christian McCaffrey that would you know,
make you feel as though it's it's if you're doing
he said something very interesting, I'm doing exactly what coach
Santahan has coached me up to do. Yeah, you know,
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I don't know how how often you see that with
quarterbacks right now, that they're going to do exactly like
be happy to say it, like I'm doing exactly what
I've been coached to do, you know, And that's that's like,
you know, maybe that's the era of time we're in
right now with quarterbacks where you know, they feel like
it has to be their way. You see how that
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is going in in and uh, you know, broncos Land
and denver Um. But it's it was nice to hear
a guys say, you know what, I didn't really deviate
from anything that I was told to do and I
was taught to do. I did exactly what I was
told to do, and look at what happened. So you know,
I don't know. I think it's interesting though, because I
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don't think a lot of quarterbacks play super tremendously well
yesterday regardless. But but I also think it's a time
to season where there's so much tape on you people
have a pretty good book out on what you can do.
You're some teams, especially offensively, are limited depending on who's
injured and what they're dealing with at this point. You know,
I think that always plays to the advantage of the defense.
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And then you mix in weather, right, you start to
mix in what you're getting in the northeast or what
you're getting in the northern parts of the country with
some of the wind, whether you know things that that
are going to slow that down. Um. But I think
the biggest takeaway just from the games this past weekend,
and not to take anything away from tonight's game, but
neither the Cardinals door the Patriots are teams that I
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view as a top of either side of the conference.
But but I would say that I think Cincinnati is
the hottest team in the a f C right now,
and Philly looks like another team that just seems unbeatable,
like they have so far have not had any games
that make you like scratch your head and go wolf
that Whereas Dallas yesterday was that team for me, And
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I told you guys this past week they do it
once a year, and I know they ended up winning
out that game, and people are gonna their takeaway is
gonna be We'll look at Dak and look at the Cowboys,
and that's what good teams do. They drive down the field,
they go find a way of scoring and winning the game.
And I give them all the respect for being able
to execute in that instance where you're going. But if
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you're if you're not a one in ten football team
one ten and one whatever the Texans are, I mean,
you're you got what four downs to get in the
end zone inside the five, Like give me a break,
Like that's one where if you're playing halfway decent team
about the worst team of the league, you fight a
way to punch that in the end zone. Yeah, so,
and and if you don't, for me, I'm taking the points.
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I'm taking the points like I'm gonna put the pressure
on my defense to cover them and make them have
to score. And even if they score, even if they score, right,
it's a what you still can march down the field
if by chance you had, like they're in the same situation,
if they go down and they score, it's it's what
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a p to win there. If Houston scored a touchdown there,
they're making a two position possession game. The games over,
right if they I know that, I know that, But
they weren't. They were going backwards at the point in
time that they got the fourth down like it didn't
look good. It didn't look good the way they and
I get that. I know they would have made it
a two possession game. But if you take the points
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and you make it what what what would have been
twenty to twenty? Right, it would have been a six
point game. If they are able to march down and score,
you're still in a situation where three points gets you
the victory. That's for me. I thought it was questionable.
Like I agree that if I get the double digit
or the two possessing game that it's it's done. But
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their play calling was not looking like they we're going
to get into the end zone. Like it did not
look like they were going to get in. They were
trying to run. They were playing on the other side
of of Houston side of the ball. Why not kick
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Niners were three and ap point favorites over the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers yesterday and h yeah, I missed that one.
So that was a swing and a miss on that,
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and that game was over, and it was overfast, and
Tampa Bay does not look like a very good football team.
Hold on, hold on, but let's just have the conversation. Uh,
is it over for Tom? I mean on the football
field or because there's also conversation. Yeah, we we can
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get into that next but I think we started the
football field then work to how that translates off the field.
Is it him or is it the offense? Because you
you've said it on this show a couple of times.
He can still make the throws like he can still
make but yeah, not all the time, like the fourth
down that he kind of threw the back of the
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Mike Evans ankles earlier in the game. I've watched that
going to like, I know he was frustrated to play
before because he thought God wouldn't got held and he
pretty did it. I mean, you can't be begging so
bad for calls that you then just you know, throwing
the town on the next play or allow it to
impact that next play. And obviously he knows better than
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anyone else that, but I think that's where he's getting
in his career. It feels like watching them, they are
desperate for offensive production, for points, you know, for things
that to go their way like they they and maybe
you could say at different points in time in his
career he has been lucky, you know, the balls bounced
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his way, he's gotten the call. There's raiders fans wh
would say that obviously with the tuck rule and how
that's all changed. If that same plan happened in today's game,
tom Brady is not going to a super Bowl. So
I just I kind of look at it and I go,
I know people have wanted to call it and when
it's time and all that this this feels like it
looks like it is. And I know there weren't there
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weren't a ton of suitors for Tom Brady when he
left New England. I'm not sure if people realize that
this wasn't Peyton Manning and everyone, you know, basically you know,
trying to advertise or market to get paydon to come
to their place coming off a neck injury. Mind you,
this is a forty five year old Tom Brady who
in a year's time looks a lot different and now
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he's a good decision maker. He obviously is still distributing
the football, but him and Mike Evans are on the
same page. And and look, maybe it is partially the offense.
You know, maybe you put him with with someone who's
you know, I don't know, more creative or had more success,
you know from what I've heard, Uh, they were hoping
maybe Byron left, which got a head coaching job, and
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then he was gonna be able to, you know, have
more control over things as far as play calling goes.
You know, he has been overly impressed with that, so
maybe that's part of it. There's some frustration there. But
whatever the case is, heat is not I mean, it
looks like it's finally catching up to him. It really does.
Father time is finally catching up. It looks like Mike
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Evans isn't a party to it either, Like it looked
like he it was just irritating him. Whatever, whatever the
disconnect was, it just seemed like they the body language,
the energy, you know, exchange just seemed to be kind
of off. Like the timing of everything seemed to be off.
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You know, things that you would have expected them to
to be able to pull off together, you know, speaking
of Mike and Tom just wasn't there. And and and
it looked as though, you know Tom, Tom has the
tendency and you make book on it. If he if
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he feels there's a guy he trusts, he's staying with him,
Like if something doesn't go right, if it doesn't feel right,
he's staying with one guy. And it was interesting that
he went to Godwin and was trying to stay with
Godwin in the game like that was, We're gonna win
or lose depending on what god One is able to do.
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I mean he went to Mike a few times. But
they just don't seem to be on the same page.
And and you don't have a running attack. You're running
game isn't isn't really working. Your defense was playing hard.
But I don't know, man, they just they look like
an average team. And that's with Tom Brady. They look bad,
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they look below average. We'll ask yourself this. They've got
identical They've got an identical record of the Detroit Lion
and could have lost very easily last week and had
a worse Who's Who's Who's a better team? Yeah, the
Lions by far are a better football team, the better offense.
At least say that better offense. They're going in the
right direction. I'll tell you that that was a big
win for them. Can I ask you this did they have?
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I know it's early on with jamisonas what he immediately
in his second game comes and makes an impact. You
see the speed, big playability. They might have the top
like best four the top five group of four wide receivers.
When when you think about amer ross st Brown, how
he's kind of been that stable piece DJ Shark the
moments he's had. Now now it's you know, say Josh Wedels,
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but now that Jamison Williams too, like all four of
those guys. That something. I mean, people Detroit need to
start looking at that front office and looking at what
Dan Campbell's done at the coaching staff, developing, helping to
build this roster. They deserve a lot of credit. And
I know people are gonna probably hammer us for talking
about a team that's still gonna losing record. They are
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so dramatically improved from what they've been you have to
acknowledge it, and you acknowledge it because that's that's the point.
They've got the same record as Tampa Bay and they
feel like completely different franchises just heading in completely different
because there's completely different expectations too, Like you don't have
an expectation for Detroit like you do for Tampa. We're
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expecting Tampa to to snap out of it, Like when
are you gonna snap out of it? What if they're
not going to snap? But at this point this season,
you are what you are, right kind of sort of yeah,
I mean it's you know, week fourteen, and they're just
kind of up and down and up and down, and
I don't know who's gonna get them in the first round,
assuming they still win the NFC South, which would would
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be my assumption. They're gonna win the NFC South, but
who the hell knows with Caroline and the way they're
playing recently. But whoever gets them in the first round,
And it looks like it's probably gonna be Dallas at
this point. I mean, I don't think Tampa has a chance.
It is great draw. Only problem is only problem is
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here we go, here we go. I don't trust their
offense and Tampa Bay tampas, Yeah, and Tampa Bay could
could easily sneak up on them and make it a
worst horrible day for him. I mean, I'll give you that.
Top Brady in the playoffs just makes you go off.
He's obviously got a shot. It's Tom Brady, right, Tom Brady,
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not this team. Man. I'm sorry, Like I just and
I feel back is Defensively, they're starting to wear down
a bit, right. There were some plays in that game,
like Jamal Deane. I have no idea why he's biting
on a double move and he just allows Brock pretty
the lob one up and we should talk Brock Purty. Yeah,
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he look, he did what they asked him to do.
But let's not let's not read into this too much.
You know, people are acting like he threw for four
d yards. Yeah, so like he didn't. It was that
he put the team on his back. It's just I'm
not sure if they if the broadcast is just trying
to sell the game, or it's such a good story
because he was Mr. Irrelevant and the story with his parents.
His parents haven't been too many games this year, but
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they were coming to this one because they wanted to
see Tom Brady. Just so happens. Brock Purti is getting
his first start. I mean, look, he was efficient, he
did what he was asked to do. Um, but it
helps when you have Christian McCaffrey run for almost a
hundred and twenty yards on fourteen carries. I mean think
about that, literally, the dudes ripping off runs for almost
six yards and attempt. I mean it helps when you've
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got that in your backfield. So I just kind of
look at it and go all right, like between you know,
their their ground game and the way things that kind
of opened up for him. I'm not I'm not. I'm
not trying to take anything away. I just pumped the
brakes on it. Uh, Kyle Shannon, and he's he's like
the Kansas City of the NFC. His play calling, his
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his ability to use his guys in different manners. Like
everybody's like, oh, this is the most versatile group of Well,
that's because Kyle Shanahan uses them in versatile positions. I
mean that's he's putting kid on the backfield, he's lining
you know, McCaffrey out on on the edge like you
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you got you got Samuel over here, he's in the
wings slot position. Like you don't really have the ability
to create I mean, you would really have to try
to create book on them to know what their tendencies
are based upon where guys are aligned. And I think
it would be a nightmare as as a defensive coordinator
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and as a defense to prepare for the forty niners
and and listen, they lose debo yesterday. Hopefully he he
you know, gets better, well well soon. But being a
report as a high ankle sprain, that's looking like it
looked like it was a double high ankle sprain. And
then not to mention like you sit on the on
the message like and he grabbed his knee, you know,
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and we thought it. We thought when when von Miller
went down, it's like, oh, that's high ankle, Like that
looks like an ankle or or like an achilles situation.
Turns out his knee was so you you know, until
they check you off. I thought that's what you said. Yeah,
but I thought they put it on pretty quickly. So
nobody caught that on the project. So they put his
knee actually just popped back off and just threw it on.
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You know. It's amazing the technology here. Uh So, hey, LeVar,
speaking of what we were talking about yesterday, you said
that there could be a couple of players, uh who
maybe needs Yeah, and they maybe need to start, you know,
getting some boxes together. Heard what Q said, like, it's
like let's pump our brakes, let's slow down a little bit,
this down another. But there's always a reason why the
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media gets behind certain stories. There's always an origin. Who's
in San Francisco? I mean, they're all in trouble. If
if brock Purty keeps playing the way that that he's playing,
it's a rap for all of them Food, Trey Lanton,
Jimmy g What what year would this be for a
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trade coming up for three? Yeah, that might be the
only thing saving him is that they don't have to
read like if Brock continues to play the way that
he's playing, well, let me just say this. Think about
in the past, who Kyle Shanahan has won games with
or like match Shop Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl Quarterback r
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G three Rookie of the Year, Offensive Rookie of the Year,
least his rookie year. He's won games with Nick Mullins.
Remember the hype around Nick Mullins, Like Nick Mullins was
traded for this season because of what Kyle Shannonhan has
done with him were now people look at him as
a viable backup option. C J. Bethord same thing, like
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he is to LaVar. To your point, I still to
this day never feel like Kyle Shanahan gets to do
in the credit for the offensive mind that he is.
I think in the league, in league circles, anytime people
start talking about hot Sea whatever else, other coaches go,
you're crazy. He'll get a job in a second. Like
he will literally be putting the first thing in his
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box to go if the forty Niners ever move on
from him, and he'll already have five texts by just
saying are you coming? Are you gonna? Are you coming?
Do you want this job? Are you already will be done.
That's how well respected he is as an offensive mind
and the things that he does. It's not just the
talent they have. And I think it's in part because
their defense is so talented, it kind of gets overshadowed
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when meanwhile they've had all these injuries at the quarterback position.
But I just I look, I look at his offensive
prowess and the way he goes about calling plays and
designing plays, and you go, yeah, of course, you know
San Francisco is gonna have a shot at getting in
the playoffs and making a run if brock Purdy just
does what Kyle Shanahan, you know, go to them to do.
But here's the truth that only lasts for so long
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before a team gets a book out on what brock
Purdy is able to do, like he was the last
pick of the draft, because there's limitations to his game.
And guess what a teams eventually gonna do. They're gonna
force him to have to play within those limitations and
win games with those limitations, they'll they'll stop the run,
they'll be able to score enough points where they'll say, Okay, Brock,
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pretty go win it. And and that's where that's where
you kind of get caught up in some of the
hype right now. But once you get in the playoffs,
once you get those those games where there's two or
three games now with him starting, there's a book out autumn,
you start to see the true colors reveal themselves. Yeah,
but I think Shanahan, what what I saw him do
with r G three that rookie season, and I was
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there covering it like day to day, what he was
able to do to take those those limitations that he
had was phenomenal. I would you feel like, hell yeah,
hell yeah. He's a one read dude. RG three. R
G three was a one read dude. Maybe it'll that'll
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be included in this book. I'm gonna read. Look, look,
I'm gonna read this. This is my read. Nope, not,
they're out of here. I'm out of here, like literally,
I'm running. He's running. And once people figured out that,
all right, we're gonna follow his head anyway, not getting
too deep off in r G three. I just think
the point is with with with Shanahan, if he can
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maintain the balance and and that's a tremendous loss, losing
Deebo Samuel and it really is. But if he can
keep that offensive front healthy, especially mainly Trent Williams. Like
you were talking about McCaffrey getting six yards and and
four yards and yard big yards. You know why, because
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Big Trent was out there clearing clearings out. I mean
he was there was There were certain runs where he
didn't even get touched until he was six seven yards
down the field. So if if, if Shanahan can keep
a healthy balance between that run game and keep that
pressure from having to be what purties his limitations are.
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I feel like they're still sitting pretty man, because their
defense is flying around. They've always been known to be
a pretty physical team up front. I mean they bring
it like a new age Denver Broncos and Mike Shanahan
Denver Broncos team, Like you see the personality to disposition,
like the way the era of confidence that that they
moved with. They're dangerous, man. Philly prooved to me yesterday
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They're the most dangerous team and the NSC and could
be the most dangerous team in the league. They they
proved that, Like, I'm not gonna make them a qualifier anymore.
They're they're the most dangerous team. On end, I think
the forty Niners are the second. I think that they
have to be looked at as as that next that
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next group, that next group. I really do I think
they're that because I'm gonna tell you Washington is dangerous.
New York I'm not on I'm I'm I'm off that boat.
I'm I'm off of that train. But both New York's,
both New York's I'm I'm off that train, like I'm not,
I'm not riding that subway. But but I still feel
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as though Washington could be that that next team that's
like they're taking they're taking a step forward. It's possible.
But if I'm saying right now today, who's that third
team that's dangerous, that could be dangerous, I'm gonna give
it to to Dallas because I've never wavered on their defense.
That's all. I've never wavered on their defense. Be sure
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week on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or
wherever you get your podcasts. Con Rich, give me the hell? Yeah? So,
why the hell do the Dallas Cowboys have one of
the games every year or a couple of these games
every year? Like? What? What? What is the what is
the most plausible explanation for why that happened yesterday at
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home against the awful Houston Texans who were rotating quarterbacks
like they were rotating interior lineman during that game. Why
the hell did that game play out the way that
it did. What's the best explanation for the Cowboys every year?
I mean I was to say the one constants text
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Nexter's just fine. I'm just saying, like, that's that's the
one constant, right, I mean, I don't know. I view
this team and every single year we kind of watched them.
We know they're talented, we know what they're capable of.
I don't know, maybe you say it's Jerry Jones, maybe
say it's their owner and the culture that he's created there,
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because it's all it's been like this for a while,
like a team with so many talented players, yet they
just they have one of those games. Is that makes
you scratch your head and or maybe you want to
chock it up the fact it's the NFL and this
league is built for parody. There there's you know, even
the worst team in the Houston Texans can go on
the road and play for one of the better teams tough,
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and ultimately you know that Cowboys still won this game.
But these are the types of games that every single
year it makes you lose any faith in Dallas doing anything.
Once they get to the playoffs and like their tenant
three football teable of far can we admit through going
to the playoffs? Now? Yeah, well I told you I
backed up on that last week. You know, I ate that,
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um just do what I do lying, so you never
said it. That's what jonath every time. I own it.
But but my reasoning for thinking that they're not a
playoff team still is alive. And that's because I don't
trust their offense. I just don't trust their offense. Okay,
hold on, why don't you trust their offense because I
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don't trust that. I mean, Okay, Buddy was talking to
me about this, and this is where this conversation is
like leading me to like, what's his signature moment his
entire career starting for the Dallas Cowboys. But can you
think of one signature win where you go, oh, I
remember that? Like yeah, like that was that was it?
He out negotiated Jerry Jones. That's a signature moment. Signature
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moment with a signature initials. He's a great dude, he's
a good leader. I just I think when you're looking
back now on him and in comparison to like where
would you even rank him amongst other quarterbacks within the NFL.
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I mean, well, people will use stats to paint a
picture of of a higher level of of accomplishment and achievement,
but I just don't. I don't see it. Like, I
know he's won a lot, I know he's been a
win I do know that. I know he has great
stat lines. I do know that. I'm aware of that.
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I just I just have not seen this team definitively
go to a level where you're like, yeah, like they're dangerous.
Here's this is a dangerous team. Here's the other thing.
So we all agree Houston's an awful football team. Right
in Indianapolis is a bad football team, right, Well, they're there,
they have at least they have personnel though, but there
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they're not. They're not in a great place. Yeah they're
they're there are four win football team going into that
whatever the hell you call that fourth quarter last week
against Indianapolis. It was only a two point game, So
it's not like, well, it's just this one game again. No,
man like Indianapolis was competitive in that game and Dak
Prescott was was awful yesterday. And look, I understand why
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the Texans, you know, want to go for it. You're
at that point and you figure out, well, let's make
him drive all the way down the field and and
give Dallas credit for driving down the field and getting
the getting the score and getting the win. But I
don't know if you're a Cowboy fan, how you walk
away from yesterday's game and go, yeah, whatever, don't worry
about it, like at some point, like you gotta worry
about Cowboys fast sight out about everything though, Well, can
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I put this out there for you guys? Do you
remember when Dak was out and it was the Cooper rush?
Do you know what? You want to know why that
argument even happens? Because your starter hasn't separated himself so
much from the backup that you even have that debate,
Like do we really have that debate about Patrick Mahomes
or Josh Allen whoever's behind him, or Justin Herbert whoever's
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behind him. I mean, we don't have that conversation about
Tua and whoever's behind him, Joe Burrow, whoever's behind him.
I mean, think about that for a second, Kirk Cousins,
whoever's behind We don't have those conversations about those guys, don't.
And that's the difference is like Cooper Rush came in
and we're almost going, oh, maybe this should be the
people were literally saying, maybe this should be the guy
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like the rushes on. I'm like, if your starter has
has differentiated himself so much so from the back of
you that that debates never even happening, and so I
just I feel like it's easier to then entertain those
ideas of a guy like Cooper Rush or name what
other quarterback would potentially do just as well in the system.
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Is because you're looking at your starter and you're saying, well,
what does he do extraordinarily well, Like, what's his skill
set that's so different than everyone else? And look, sometimes
those things are intangibles that you can't put your finger on,
and maybe it's leadership quality, tough dis grid, some of
those things that are harder to to see on tape,
like a big arm or the ability to make off
platform throws or you know, extremely accurate intermediate downfield throws,
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you know, whatever the case is, running ability like Lamar
Jackson has. Like I get sometimes it's harder to see
those things, but we really don't, like, we really don't
have those conversations with some of these other quarterbacks who
have established themselves. Dak Prescott started law gonna have to
establish himself. That was a narrative earlier this year, and
you gotta ask yourself why, like why was that even
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a narrative that people talked about earlier this season? And
I think it has to do with the fact that
Dak Prescott struck a second contract at the right time.
But ultimately, will he be able to get this team
past a certain point? It doesn't, It doesn't feel like that.
It just doesn't. In my mind, Dallas struck paid dirt
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when they brought on dan Quinn because if you have
the same defense pre dan Quinn, where is this team
at right now? I mean it's the defense that was
the difference in that game they were holding up. I
mean you look at the point totals, like the output
of of scoring. The defense has been doing their best
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outside of being that Ravens type defense that was really scoring.
You know, they were turning. You know that that you
know Tampa Bay Buccaneers defense that want to sue per Bowl.
You know, you look at teams that didn't have the craziest,
craziest of of offenses. When you have a strong defense,
that defense has turned turned turnovers into points. And right now,
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if you don't see Dallas generating points on defense, but
they're keeping them in games, like they kept them in
that game and it gave them the opportunity to have
a last a last minute drive that that won the
game for them. I think about what you just said,
the defense kept him in the game against the Texans. Yes,
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if the defense, Like you know, what's funny, I know
Michael really well. I'm looking at MICA's face on camera, Like,
did y'all see his face? How dejected he looked at
or he looked looked at um. They know, they know
that that they are are trying to balance out of
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a lopsided approach to what's going on or a lopsided
you know results. They know that they're doing that. And
that's the interesting part for me is how far do
you go knowing that your offense can't be trusted. You
can't trust them, And that's just what it is. You
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can't trust the Dallas offense. So if you don't have
that defense gig in the way that they're gigging, and
once you get to the playoffs, you know, I only
know about it from from playing experience one time, but
I will say this, the level of intensity that comes
with playing in the playoffs is way higher. And and
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if they're lucky enough to get a good draw where
they play, you know, a team that that isn't that
good in the first round. I don't know that that's
a benefit to make it out of the first round
against a weaker team only to go play a stronger team.
That what's going to happen. What's going to happen when
you go up against the team that has the offense
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that can deal with your defense. What's going to happen
is your is your offense going to be prepared to
step up and even out the playing field and give
you points to make you competitive in the game. My
answer to that is still incomplete, and as long as
it's incomplete as an NFL team, I don't have the
confidence that they can make a legitimate Super Bowl run
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or even get to the NFC Championship game prior to
the Super Bowl. By the way, Dak Prescott's got nine
interceptions on the season. Matt Ryan leads the league with thirteen.
But Dak also missed how many games, four or five games?
Like he hasn't been good this year and so like
you're just you're watching this going, okay, if it's if
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it's got to be the defense and they gotta run
the football. Yeah, that's a lot of money you gave
a quarterback who Now, all of a sudden, you come
back a couple of years later and say, thank God,
the defense bailed us out against the one wind Texans
who were playing two quarterbacks. I've had defenses in the
past that have done that. But is this defense on
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that level? This is a really really good defense, a
really talented defense. But I'm not putting them in in
in the rankings of the Ravens in two thousand, or
the the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and what was that old one, Like,
I'm not I'm not putting them on that level. Oh three,
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I'm not putting them on that level. So if you
don't have a defense that has hall of famers up
front on the back end and then on the back
end like a Rande Barber, Hey, John Lynch, Derek Brooks,
a Warren Sap, A Simi and Rice, Like, I'm not
putting those guys on that level. Like DeMarcus Lawrence is
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is nice, Like he's nice. Michael Parsons is not can do.
They have the ability to be on that level. Sure
you know what they need, what I need, you know,
and in fact, they need not until the playoffs because
big games when the lights did that bother you guys
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when he said that. I mean, I'll be honest with you,
I think there's there was gonna be a reaction to it.
But I understood what he meant, and I would just say,
generally speaking, people probably won't like this. If you can
get away with that, you do it too. Like if
you could basically say to a team, like, if y'all
don't need men during the regular season, why wouldn't I
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just wait until the game's actually matter get involved Now.
I'm obviously I've played, and I understand, like you need time,
you need chemistry, need all those things to build up
with your quarterback. And I think you know, when when O.
B J First got to l A last year, you know,
you didn't see it really pay off in the regular season.
You saw pay off the playoffs. And that's where I
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think if he wants to be with the team, he
needs to be with the team to to you know,
build on that. But I mean part of me didn't
rather have much of an issue with it. He when
he's there, he works hard, he does what he needs
to do, and he'll be ready. Like I can understand,
like what he was saying from the standpoint that he's
had what to a c O injuries in the same knee,
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and I think they cleaned up another knee. I mean,
there was a lot of things going on there. So
I think at this point you can understand why he's like,
I'm not going to risk it unless we're going for
a championship, and that's when when I'll put on the line.
I don't have a problem with him, and I don't
have a problem with what he said. So it's kind
of that doesn't That doesn't bother you, like him saying
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it's his knee, it's his life, it's his career, Like, no,
it doesn't bother I don't. I don't need to show
you anything in the regular season, just I'll be there
when account it's like and and his his point, by
the way, his currents, that is his current situation. You know,
I think he I think he's trying to get on
the team. I'll be so I think, um, he's in
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the situation where he's not getting picked up. So I'm
If I'm him, I'm basically saying, look like, that's cool,
come get me in the playoffs. I'm not playing just
to play at this point now, I will say that
if I'm O b J, what are you playing for?
Like with with your health concerns and and you know
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where you are right now currently, what are you playing for?
And I would assume you're playing for the opportunity to
win championships. So if you can wait it out and
and get picked up. But that doesn't that doesn't justify
the whole. I wanna be able to settle down. I
want to be able to wake up at six am
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and leave at six pm. It kind of throws off
that narrative. It's like, what where are you at with everything?
It's because he was talking to a bunch of NBA
players and he was like, well, this is kind of
like loading itself. It might have been feeling itself in
that moment. You know, you were at the barbershop with
the Lebron James crew. I mean, you know you might
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have been feeling yourself a little bit. That's possible, it
feel to feel yourself a little bit. You know, I
never feel like I've ever really wanted, like I'm feeling myself.
Sometimes you get around people and it's just hard not
to be feeling yourself, Like, man, I'm in the room
talking with I can recall one time I was at
a black jack table with with with Michael Jordan's. Well
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it is black jack. I don't know if jack was
black and that's how it became black jack, but I
just know I was at the black jack table canceled
jack first name black. Yeah, we were sitting there and
it's Michael Jordan's, Charles Oakley, Charles Barkley, and Patrick Ewing.
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Now we're not a ways and do I fit spectator
And the only reason why I'm standing there just so
everybody's clear, because for one, I didn't even know the
chips that they were using even existed. Okay, whatever those
colored chips they were using, I ain't know, I ain't
never seen. No, they were like twenty five and their
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their chocolate chips is what they are. And so there
you go, black jack chocolate chips, two dollar chips. Yeah, damn.
And they was and they was like putting them bad
boys up on there like it was like betting nickels,
Like this ain't nickels this is like two d g
s that you just put up on on there and
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them sons of guns was black jacket and stuff like
it's crazy anyway, So I was in Washington at the
same time. MJ was in Washington, right, so this is
my only only reason why I'm even close enough to them.
And I forget where were we Was it Atlantic City?
I want to say it was Atlantic City? And they
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called the MJ caught me over and I had met
Pat Ewing as well, so I was familiar with pat
Ewing and they called me over. And that was the
first time I had met Berkeley and um first time
I had met Charles Oakley. But they were fans of me,
like Charles Oakley was a fan of me. So I'm
sitting there and they're telling me how much they're a
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fan of me, while all these people are waiting down
like they couldn't come into the high roller area. So
I'm sitting up there and I literally had like a
ten minute conversation with these dudes while they're plaid. I'm
the only one up there holding court with these dudes,
and I was feeling myself. So they was sad stuff,
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and I can't remember recall exactly what I said. It
would probably be incriminating to me as a person of
high moral character and values. Um, but I was just
talking out the left side and the right side and
probably the backside of my neck in terms of just
my responses. Feeling yourself. I was feeling myself. And then
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when I walked out, it was like, yeah, y'all, bitches,
move out of the way, you know. And that meant
everybody that wasn't that wasn't connected to any you know,
gender or anything like that. But I was like, yeah,
I would just get up out of a way. You know,
LaVar is coming through because I was still I was
still walking with the after glow, uh, feeling myself with
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the goats, and and I kind of walked through the
casino that way because people were following me around like
you know, oh wow, like who are you? Like wait,
hold on, hold on, you don't know who I am.
But because I was still feeling usel and also you
parlay it into this show, see, so like that's like
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that that all led you to this point, like feeling
yourself with Michael Jordan's betting all the chips, and you
parlay it into this show. Well, I'll say this some
coffee creamer that looks like Elmer's glue, And ye, that's true.
The only time I ever saw dudes go harder than
that on a black jack table was Kevin Plank and
Michael Phelps. And at that time, I was already acclimated
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to the chocolate chips, and they were using them bad boys,
and I would and I was participating in that one.
And look, look, look cute. I'm using hundreds, right, I'm
using thousands. What are the black chips? Thousand? I believe? What?
What are the what is the green chip? What racist?
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There's one that's above the black chip. Anyways, I would
use and maybe it's purple. I think it's purple. It's purple.
So I was using purple chips. Right, they're using chocolate chips,
and I I pulled out a pair of aces. I
pulled out a pair of aces. And and it's funny
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because on that that one in particular split them bad boys.
Well Fell put a chocolate chip under my bet and
he was like, I'm going in on your bet too,
So I pulled aces and he splits them. If I'm
not splitting that, Like, why I don't, Well, I didn't
have the much. I didn't have the money to do it.
He put a twenty five dollar chip under my chips,
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so I had mine though. I said, I'll put mine
on top of yours, but I can't cover, you know.
He was like, we're splitting that. We split the aces
and got two black jacks there. I walked away, split,
I walked away. That's why you split. Day kept going.
I walked away. I got paid. Yeah, I got paid,
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but not like his paid. Like I was looking at
the split and hit him and he got way more
paid than I did off of my own hands. And
I was like kind of like, you know that's what
that was called. What's that? That was a business decision?
Business decision. There you go, good for you, there you go,
But you gotta be willing to lose that hold on
what would we call that story? Is that relatable? Well? Yeah,
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I mean because like everybody driving around on their way
to work, or you know, some guy listening on the
I Heart radio app and twenty degree weather, you know,
just doing construction. I mean, he too has gambled with
he doesn't have flippers for feet, you know what I mean. Sorry,
if you're flipping your work, then you'd be able to
do the same exact thing Michael Phelps is doing. Did
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you guys ever see that Sports Science where they broke
down Michael phelps body and they're like, it's perfectly designed
to swim in the water because he's got such like
a long torso shorter legs to like propel and his feet,
his feet, he's got webbing. Yeah, they got get whipped
to him and all that stuff. Like, Yeah, that was
the first time there's someone pointed out Jonas. Wasn't there
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another time someone pointed out something going on like that
with Michael Phelps? Yeah, yeah, what happened? What's talking about? Yeah,
you gotta be Yeah, you just got a double check
sometimes who you're hanging out one, just just make sure
you're sure. But knowing Mike, he probably was sure at
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the time hanging I'm just saying at the time he
was probably you know, you know, I mean, if they're
in the urinal next year, I would probably get out
of there, That's all I'm saying, you know, I would
just just depends, just depends, probably pretend like an that happen.
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