February 16, 2023 • 50 mins
On today’s Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox call out the Chiefs for playing up the narrative they were doubted. Senior NFL Reporter Albert Breer has insight on coaching hires around the league and Cameron Heyward calls out the Eagles “Push Play” but LaVar calls the criticism soft.
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So yeah listen, and just just a really heartwarming story
what's happening in Kansas City to like against all odds,
you know, like to see what they've done, because I
don't know, I don't know if you're aware of this,
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but you know everybody knows well, but everybody was counting
them out, you know, like everybody was saying it was
for the Kansas City Church. I mean, if you think
we're lying, just ask Travis Kelsey, who had the mike
yesterday at the parade. The haters are saying that cheese,
we're done. If you knew the Chiefs we're gonna win
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the division, let me hear you say, hell yeah yeah.
So apparently the haters thought the Kansas City Chiefs were done,
like that is what the haters thought. Not I don't
know if you're aware of that. But that is what
the haters we were saying. According to Travis, If I'm
Travis Kelsey, I'd say the haters thought that they could
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stop me catching the ball in the center of the
field every damn game, and they still haven't figured it out.
They still have not figured out how to cover me,
because that's really what it is. Well, especially the first
drive because Philly went down and scored and Kansas City
got the ball and just went right down in the
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field again. But I'm talking as a whole, like you've
only seen literally maybe one or two teams that have
been able to defense Travis Kelsey. It's mind blowing to me.
And I know you have to maintain the integrity of
the defense. So it allows for Kelsey to run his
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routes and and I mean give credit to whoever is
crafting the plays that get him to the same exact
places on the field in different ways. And sometimes those
different ways aren't him running different routes, it's the other
guys out there running different routes. You know, he didn't
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have the most receiving yards and in the Super Bowl
it was it was Juju who had who led I
believe in in uh in yards so I just think
that the success of what you you're seeing, obviously, Patrick
Mahomes in any given situation is going to be the guy.
I would be curious if Patrick Mahomes could be as
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good as Patrick Mahomes is without Travis Kelsey. I know
he's done it without the Cheetah, but I just wonder
if he would be any good Like if Travis Kelsey
went down, how good would this team possibly be in
terms of of where they are? How good would Travis
How good would Patrick Mahomes be if he didn't have
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Travis Kelsey. So to me, I mean, if you're looking
at against the world, it literally is Travis Kelsey against
the world. Now, a lot of people thought, include myself,
a lot of I felt as though it would be
a difficult year. It would be a much different team
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without the Cheetah on the team. Like I just I
think everybody thought to rekill leaving the team would possibly
be something that that that maybe put them, you know,
a step back. But I mean and even going into
the super Bowl with Patrick Mahomes being you know, still
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on the men from from his injury, you know, I
just didn't see a team that I thought would when
the Super Bowl. Come out of that Cincinnati Bengals game. Well,
I mean, like I know, Travis Kelsey was talking about,
you know, sort of them against the world and and
all the haters out there, But at least Patrick Mahomes
was a little bit more realistic and understanding that they're
always the favorite going into a lot of these seasons.
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Before we started this season, the n West said we
were rebuilding. I'll be honest with you, rebuilding means and
not rebuilding. You were world chips. Well he probably doesn't
know what the word throat loss ange means either, so
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don't make a correction there. Kelsey did have the most
receiving yards, which again it kind of proves my point
you anyway, there in the receiving the part, Juju had
the moss. But who the thought Kansas City was rebuilding?
I got news for you. When you pay your quarterback
four million dollars, you no longer allowed to rebuild. It's
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over like that is that was the rebuild was to
get to Patrick Mahomes and you're here and now you're
a contender every single year. You're the chalk pick moving
forward and the idea that's why before the season started,
when everybody was pointing out, man, Tyreek Hill, what's this
team gonna look like? I think we even said it
on the show. Look, give me the combination of Patrick
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Mahomes Travis Kelsey over Tyreek Hill and insert a quarterback
of your choice and I'll go with Patrick Mahomes and
Travis Kelsey. I'll roll with that. And it played out
this year like that was. You saw guys like you know,
Juju Smith Schuster who came in on a one year deal,
and some of these other guys who all of a sudden,
we're making plays and in Super Bowls putting out Valentine telegram. Yeah,
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you know, just really humble and uh and their approach
to winning a Super Bowl all that, I just I
get the whole Listen. There were some people that were like, well,
what is it gonna look like? But there were no haters,
there are no skeptics, like that's over with. You can't
play that card anymore. It's a done deal. You're in
the middle of a dynasty that whole that whole thing.
So they're speeches were contradicting then, So how does that
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work for guys, For guys to be so much on
the same page, How how is Patrick Mahomes and Travis
Kelsey's conversations to the fans kind of contradicting. I mean,
the haters didn't think we could do it this, not
the other. But then Patrick Mahomes is like, man, even
in a even in a rebuilding year, we're not rebuilding.
Were the champs? Well, I think I think Mahomes was
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trying to take a shot at, you know people, So
they were trying to tell us that we were rebuilding. Yeah,
they were trying to tell them they were rebuilding. Are
they the favorites for next year? Yes, and they should
be the favorite every single year moving forward. There's literally
only one team that can beat them. Buffalo, No, Cincinnatiinati,
Cincinnatis on. I don't know that Buffalo now here we
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go now Buffalo can start to grab onto the they
hate me train. I don't know that Buffalo hasn't hit
their Sailly I would agree. I I think their window
becoming a dominant team might have closed. They had a
bit of a meltdown after that game. The game against
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Cincinnati was a bit of a meltdown, and they didn't
have like they had a lot of crap go on
this year, and they had their travel issues, that Damar
Hamlin situation, which you know, just continues to be a
little bit more odd the way that whole thing is transpired.
And everybody had Buffalo as the team. Nobody, nobody was
sitting there and if you if you were, you're lying,
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you might have said Kansas City would be good this year.
Most people have Buffalo as the team out of day,
especially after the first game. Remember what they did to
the Rams, like that was the defending suit. We Bowl
champs at home and Buffalo beat that And he didn't
realize that it was like that that was that was
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a one off. No, it wasn't. That's gonna be what
the season looks like moving forward. Yeah, it's kind of
going to be what they are the rest of the way.
I mean, I don't see them changing. Yeah, I I
I'm look, I'm a little bit I'm with you. I'm
a little bit skeptical as to what Buffalo is gonna
look like moving forward. I think there's still gonna be
in contention. Is there's way too much talent there and
Josh Allen's in his prime, but the way he plays
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and all the other it just it feels like there
were opportunities with this team with Buffalo over the past
several years, they didn't cash in on. And that loss
to Cincinnati may have been the beginning because look, you
saw the way those players reacted afterwards. Stefon Diggs had
a meltdown. You just you saw like all of that transport.
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They were largely like ineffective in that since the game.
Since he's the team, since he's the only team, I
can go toe to toad like it's like form in
versus Fraser. And I would say there's a clear divide
between Sinse and Buffalo right now because that game wasn't
close that from these he had Casey, since he had
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Casey again, and and and for what it's worth, I
just don't after looking at the way they dismantled uh
Phillies defense is good and as historically good as they
were in getting to the quarterback, the coaching bar none
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is so amazing in Kansas City. That's also a great equalizer.
So not only do you have the best quarterback in
the game and the best tight end in the game,
you have the best coaching staff. I mean even on
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the defense side of the ball. Spagnola's his his defense
found a way to eliminate the run, which was the
strength of Philly. You eliminated the run. You forced it
to be a passing game. And you've got key critical
stops and key critical moments of the game that allowed
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for your team to get a hit in the game.
That's just that's hard. That's hard to beat. And I
I can only see SENSEI right now being that team
that can, you know, kind of unseat them by the
way Andy Reid is approaching and know all that, and
and top of the top of the food chain when
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it comes to all time coaches. He's in the conversation now,
he's in the conversator you station with Bill Parcels, who
had two Super Bowls. But the one thing people always
pointed to when it comes to Bill Parcels is, yeah,
he went to two Super Bowls, but he also took
New England to a Super Bowl. And Andy Reid had
Philly and four straight NFC championship games. They were in
four straight NFC title games and went to a Super
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Bowl and went to a Super Bowl with Terrell Owens
compromised plan on one leg and Donovan mcdab throwing up
on the field during the game. So like and Fred
you know, franchises in the game. So Andy Reid has
done this with multiple teams now and he's been to
several of them. Like he's approaching all time status when
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it comes to coaches in the history of the league.
And he's figured it out because he couldn't get it
done in Philly, as as good as he was, as
dominant as his teams were. Jimmy Johnson's defense is historical,
historically good defenses. Um, they just couldn't get it done.
And and now you're seeing I mean, defensively speaking, I
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don't think anything has has resembled the type of teams
he had when he was in Philly. No, not even close.
Yet he's the Super Bowls. So I mean Donovan McNabb
was like leading the league and passing yards you know,
or passing touchdowns whatever it was like on the yearly
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like he was just bombing. I mean, you had Terrell Owens,
you had well that was before Terrell Owens got there,
I know, because I had to deal with them mothersuckers
every single year. Westbrook one of the one of the
most even before Westbrook, Like you're talking with Deuce Douce
Staley with with Carl Pinkston with or Todd was it
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Todd Todd Pinkston with uh Antonio Freeman when he was
on uh the team? Uh Like it's like you never
heard of real receivers on their team. But they were bawling.
They were bawling. They had big Trey Um was it
Trey john Not Trey Johnson. Trey Johnson played with me?
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What Trey Thomas? You had, Trey Thomas? You had running
chadler Us. Yeah, Chad Lewis that tight end that that
I mean their teams were man. You look at them,
it's like their offensive line was stout and sturdy. But
it's like receiving wise, like we should be able to
take their receivers out of the game. You should be
able to take Chad Lewis out of the game. We
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should be able to to make this in a box
game and play them against the run. But Donovan McNabb
and and Andy Reid schemes always found a way to
knife you up. They always found a way to run
progressions and run run you know, plays that worked. They
always worked. I don't know, I don't know, but but
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give Andy Reid a ton of credit because I do
not think this was a team that was actually supposed
to win the Super Bowl this year, and that might
sound crazy. Now they won the Super Bowl. How to die.
Everybody's loading them, everybody's praising them. I do not think
this was a year where you sit there and you say,
Kansas City win this super Bowl. I just didn't think this.
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When you say, though, before we get to break, wouldn't
you say that they You may have looked at them
and said I like so and so better. I like
Buffalo better, or Cincinnati or who knows if you like
the Rams to repeat, whatever the case. Maybe I liked
all of these teams better, but Kansas City. And that's
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still in And that's all you can hope for, because
just get to the dance and then see how it
plays out, because it went off going into this season.
Are they in the conversation or are you saying they
should they'll probably be the favorite to win. They're in
the conversation from now until two thousand and thirty three,
and there you go, yeah, and that's when Pat Mahomes
comes up. Yeah, And well that's when you know who
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knows at his age whether or not he's still going
to be rolling out there and play how many years.
Is that ten years from now? Yeah, ten years you
might still be How many years is he? Inve came
in seventeen, he has six years, sixteen year career. Yeah,
he'll still be good. We'll still be here in ten
years doing this show. Hell yeah, waking up at this
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Right now, we turn it over to the man himself,
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Albert Brier, Senior NFL reporter at the mm QB. Get
him on Twitter at Albert Brier. So, a, b, have
you had a chance to sort of come up for
air yet, knowing that the NFL season is behind us?
And so now can you be a little bit more
you know, calm when you're going to make a muffin
run for the kids. And now all of a sudden
everything starts to come more clear. You start to see
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and talk to people you weren't able to talk to
you for the past six months. How you feeling now, well,
I'm not sad, but the season's over. I hate to
admit that, but I love football. But yeah, it's definitely
the it's a long it's a long period of time
to have your weekend's gone and all that. So, uh yeah,
I'm not like, I'm not I'm not sitting here crushed
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to the NFL seasons over. Yeah, it's it is a
long grind of a season. Now. When it comes to
timelines and how this all works, what are we looking
at at the Derek Carr situation? When do you expect
that to be resolved in him to pick a destination? Yeah,
I mean I would think that, like probably at some
point before the combine, you know, and I think that
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would be playing to his edge. Now. His edge right
now is that he's out there a month ahead of
the rest of the free agents. And so you know,
if you're one of these teams and you're considering Jimmy
Garoppolo or you know, what happens with Ryan Tannehill or
Baker Mayfield. Um, you know, at this point you're still
sort of guessing at you know what, what what might happen,
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you know, in free agency and on the trade market
and You're really not gonna have a great guest on
that until the NFL converges on Indianapolis a week for Monday.
And so what Derek Carr does can do for you
is he can give you certainty right now, or you
can bring him in, sign him and then start planning
for the future. And so you know, I think the
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advantage that Derek Carr has won't last forever, but for
the next week and a half or so, the uncertainty
with every other quarterback out there really does help Derek Carr. Uh.
Speaking of people that could be on the move aired
the enemy, just interview with the commander, I mean commanders. Uh,
I'll be slipping up. I'd be really wanting to say
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the real word we call say commanders on this show. Anyways,
brit Uh. He does interview for for offensive coordinator. Seemingly
he's trying to navigate the hoops and the moving goal
post to be able to get this elusive head coaching job.
It's come up recently the whole nine incidents. First of all,
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is not far enough away for someone to have a
reprieve in their life. And then secondly, um, what do
you think is the I guess the real foundational reasons
as to why Eric b Enemy is not really seriously
being considered for a hit role. Well, I think at first, LaVar,
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and this was like a few years ago. I think
at first, like the incidents were a problem, you know,
and and remember what sort of time we were in,
you know, what we've seen in the league, and like
all this stuff that had been going on, and so
like I do think if you like remind the clock
to um, I do think those things were a factor.
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I also think there was a question of you know,
like how would you do is in running an organization?
You know, and so because I had I think, which
is more than coaching, So there was that question out there. Um,
you know, I think at this point it's almost become
the problem is the problem, you know what I mean,
Like where like I I think for a lot of teams,
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it's like they look at and say, well, why didn't
this team or this team or this team hire him?
What am I missing? You know? And then it's if
we hire him, like like you know, like what is
that like as that can reflect on us, It's just
I just think like it's sort of become one of
those things with the problem is the problem, and I
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in the shape of it is that the enemy didn't
ask for any of this, you know what I mean. Like,
so that's sort of where I'm at on it. You know,
it's unfortunate. And I think, like, to me, like going
to Washington isn't so much about calling plays as it
is about changing the narrative, you know, like calling plays, guys,
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is not like I mean, like if you ask me,
like what Sean McVeigh, for example, strengths are like he's
a really good called play caller, play callings down the list,
like as far as things that are important to make
him the coach that the head coach that he is.
And so yeah, I mean, if he goes to Washington,
I'll get to show that he can kind of be
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the captain ship for half of the team and um,
he can you know, call an offense and all that.
Like I but I think like the bigger thing here
might be just changing the narrative, you know. And um,
you know, I think going somewhere else and given the
opportunity to do that, and again he shouldn't have to
do that, but I think that would be probably part
of the logic and doing something like this. Remember Albert
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the story on Matt Patricia, there was something that came
up from his past. Remember he took over the Lion's job,
and there was some incident that popped up from his past,
and it was like, okay, because that was right around
the same timeline that a lot of this stuff was
coming up with the enemy, why isn't getting opportunities? So
it does seem a little bit like that as well. Yeah,
well that and you know what's what's interesting about that too, Jonas,
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is that the owners think about these things, right, And
what they're thinking isn't that the Lions missed that one?
But that's a really good example of like what an
owner thinks about sometimes, right, because it's like when you
hire a head coach or you've draft a quarterback, what's
the first thing, like the media in your city is
gonna do. They're gonna start working on stories and the
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guy and they're gonna start digging into their past. And
that's how that manutrition thing came up. So like that's
part of it, you know, like where you know the
very Enny des Hire something where the first thing that
would happen whatever city he goes to is you have
reporders digging into what happened back in the nineties. So, um,
you know, like should he task that? Sure? Like should
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he be shouldn't be at the point now where I mean,
are there other coaches who have had you know, Skelton's
in the closet, who've gotten opportunities? Absolutely? Um, you know,
but I I think it'd be foolish not to think
that that sort of thing could be a thatcher for
an owner. Get him on Twitter at Albert Breer. He's
senior NFL reporter at the MMQB Albert Brier joining us
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here on Fox Sports Radio. So let me ask you
as far as the number one pick goes, because I've
I've heard you and we've talked about it that you
believe the Bears are going to keep justin fields. There's
not gonna be this, you know, decision for them to
move off from him and then draft Rice Young or
c J. Strad whoever they think is number one. Well,
if that's the case, who's most likely in your mind
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to trade with Chicago to get that number one pick
to get the quarterback of their choice. I think in
Indianapolis and Carolina you have owners that are hyper motivated
to solve the quarterback question. And I think in Indianapolis
can't even got new head coaches that came in specifically
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to fix the quarterback position. So like, those are the
first two teams that I'm looking at, because we've seen
this before where a team has struck out and swung
and missed and all the rest of it of the
quarterback position, and ownership gets involved, and now all of
a sudden they are like really after it, you know.
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And we saw it with the Jets, for example in
two thousand and eighteen when they traded up to get
in a position to take Sam Donald. And we saw
it with Washington back in two thousand and twelve um
when they got really aggressive and moving up from six
to two to get Robert Griffin the third. And so
like I always look at that part of the jonas
like where where is there an owner involved, where you
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know there's gonna be pressure on the football people to
go and get a quarterback, and where it's not going
to be acceptable to be sitting there further down in
the top ten and the quarterbacks come out the board
and it's like, oh, well, we'll try again next year.
So like that, those are the teams that I would
look at. And I think that in Indianapolis and Carolina
there's gonna be pressure on the new coaches and the
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sitting general managers to get the quarterback position fixed, and
they won't had the luxury of waiting until it. Maybe
how much pressure was on er, say, to hire someone
other than Jeff Saturday. I mean it just seemingly looked
as though he was, you know, buying time before he
could announce Jeff Saturday. It goes in a different direction.
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How much how much of the pressure or the outcry,
the outpouring of please don't do it played him part
in him not taking Jeff Saturday. Yeah, I mean, LaVar,
I think that it's a factor, you know, Like I
I think that somebody who hears his fan base, you know,
and I and I think, you know, like beyondest her
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his fan base, I think he heard it the people
in his building too. And I give him credit for that,
Like you know, I I he had a very close
relationship with Jeff Saturday. This was sort of an experiment
that he had been I would say, sort of ruminating
on for a while. And you know, I think the
idea was when he made the move, like this guy
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is gonna be way better than people think, and I'm
gonna be able to hire him full time and so
like that. When it didn't work, it's you know, like
I I think there's a feeling like, well, I want
to I still want to give this a go. I
still want to show that I'm right. And I think
one of the reasons they set up the process the
way they did LaVar is that they wanted to get
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as many good people in front of Jim Rcy as
they possibly could to show him they are better options
out there right now, there are other things that we
can do. And you know, whether that whether it happened
by accident or not, I think they actually set up
like a pretty good process to go through to do it,
you know, starting with the Zoom interviews and then coming
back and doing twelve hour in person interviews where each
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guy got to spend four hours with the owner and
you know, did game management stuff and all this different
stuff that they had them do. Like I I think
they actually set up a pretty good process. Um again,
even if it was by accident, to show jimmercy are
other options out there, but Jeff Saturday, Um, certainly, I
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think they didn't lack for effort in going and finding
Shan Psychi, And I think a part of that, like
you said, is that there was an effort in the
building to make sure that they got the best guy
and not just settle. On Jeff Saturday, Albert Brier joining
us here on Fox Sports Radio. Get him on Twitter
at Albert Brier, Senior NFL reporter At the MMQB. We
were talking about Calvin Ridley applying for reinstatement, and look,
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you know the gambling stuff aside, I've known degenerate gamblers.
He's not a degenerate gambler. He placed a bunch of
fantasy bets, all right, It's not like he's got runners
going from casino to casino making bets for him. He
got popped and now potentially he comes back after a year.
But now you kind of look forward and it was
almost like this under the radar trade deadline deal that
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was made between Atlanta and Jacksonville. We're talking earlier, Albert,
is there a chance that Jacksonville could run that division
for the next several years because there's the quarterback, you know,
and you know it's three don't right now? You know?
And and that and look like I think that's gonna change.
I think, you know, like Houston's gonna get somebody, um
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this offseason. Indianapolis is gonna get somebody this offseason. We'll
see if Tennessee sticks with Tannehill or not. But I mean,
they are by far the most stable team in the
division when it comes to the quarterback position. And now Lesten,
they've got stability with a super Bowl winning head coach,
which they're the only team in the division with one
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of those two. So like I think if you look
at the and and look, there are other good coaches
in the division, like I think for Able is a
top ten, if not top five coach, Like I I
I look at Demiko Ryan if somebody's got a ton
of potential change staken too. But you know, you look
at coach quarterback in tend I mean you say, they've
got that in a better spot than any other team
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in the division does right now. And not only that,
in the same way Josh Allen turned Buffalo into a destination,
the same way that Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City into
a destination, the same way I think Joe Burrows turning
Cincinnati into the destination. Trevor Lawrence has the chance to
do that for Jacksonville, where Jacksonville becomes a place where
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players want to go. And so I mean, I think
that there's a really good chance that Jacksonville has the
opprehend and everybody in that division for the foreseeable future.
And you know, we'll see, I mean, Tennessee is an
established winner, so you'd be foolish to discount them. And
you know, we'll see what happens with the new coaches
in Houston and Indianapolis. But yeah, I mean I think
Jacksonville it's hard. It's hard to it was hard to
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be it would be hard to look at that division
say if the next two or three years at least
Jacksonville isn't the team that's the best set up. Maybe
my last question for you is the referees, Uh, the
short yardage plays. There's there's a lot that the NFL
is going to have to review. Roger Goodale came out
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and said he was happy with the way the refs
ref the games. He thought that there isn't a ref
freeze issue. Was that tongue in cheek or do they
really need to kind of address some of those things.
And then obviously that the you know which I don't
think they're obviously not related. But in terms of competition
committee coming together, Um, I mean, how big of a
deal is that that fourth down or that short yardage
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play of them being able to push the guys I personally,
I know, you know, there's there's a lot of people
that fall on both sides of the debates. See now,
I wish Brady was here because like he was having
to feel for the bush bush right, Yeah, hard feelings?
No no, no, no no, no, but no, but am I
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am I wrong? Like that was like that guy that
was an illegal place? It was yeah that then it
was like, so I don't I mean, hey, like, how
did this become okay? Right? Like? And b if the
league is telling us how important players safety is, right,
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and if the league is telling us that, um, you know,
quarterback safety is even more important than players safety for
the rest of them, right, how is it okay to
like have plays where a quarterback is literally getting pushed
through a pile of body? You know what I mean? Like,
how does that make any sense at all? I just
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that's one to me that like it's not an entertaining play,
It's sort of takes the competitiveness out of fourth and
one and it's not good for quarterback health and say
that the health of the quarterback, right, So, like I
I do think that that's something that they do have
to look at, you know, I look again, like I
don't know where along the line maybe it was. I mean,
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it was it illegal in college and legal in the NFL.
I'm not even sure it was never legal when I was. Yeah,
I mean I do remember, like I remember, like the
whole thing with that Notre Dame SC game was that
what USC did was against the rule and so um
so yeah, I mean I I miss them and they
have to look at and you know, as for what
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Rogers said, I mean I almost feel like that press office,
like he came to this point where he's like, I'm
sick of being creative about lying, do you guys? I'm right?
You know, you know, Yes, you're right, I am fooling around.
I don't know, I'll submit it for you. Yes, I
am that that's I'm telling a lie here, honestly. Jonas like,
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but but I think we all see what we see,
you know, And I don't know why they haven't been
better about using technology to help the officials on the field,
Like we all have the benefit. And I've been banging
this trump forever and there are a lot of coaches.
I can tell you that the majority of head coach
in the NFL agree with me, the great majority. They
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have all this technology right, all the technology to get
it right, and you can do it in the blink
of an eye through earpieces and headsets and all that
different stuff, right, And like, why not give the officials
the advantage that we all have, Like Roger talked about
how you see it from ten different angles and crystal
clear HD and he didn't be and you weren't able
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to do that thirty years ago. Well, why aren't you
giving the officials that? Like, why aren't you putting people
in the booth, paying them and assigning them to say,
your job is to sit here, and when they get
something wrong, miss something obvious, you buzz down to them
and without and the deploy comment. I you say, pick
the flag up, throw the flag that's wrong, this is right?
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Like you could very easily do that, and you can
limit it to the obvious stuff. I just I don't
know why the NFL keeps stepping stepping on its you
know one on this because I don't like that that
the technology is sitting there and it's out there for them,
and for one reason or another, they refuse to use it.
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the Pittsburgh Steelers not a big fan of this Eagles
push play which you asked Albert Brier about last hour
here on the show, and Cam Hayward was on his podcast,
The Not Just Football Podcast, and he had some strong
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words about the play. Let's take a listen. It's illegal
and then they're never never said if you watch it,
the old lineman are never set. He's not happy. Okay,
I'm triggered. Do you think the rules should be changed? Yes,
it should be changed. And there's never a given time
they hurry up to the ball. No one's ever said
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they're rolling forward. I have this on tape, we can
watch it. We can find some paper on this. I'm
always these fourth downs because no, it's always skewed to
the offense. I'm just confused why they switched the rule.
It used to be a penalty to push your back forward,
like nobody really noticed until the Eagles were like, oh
this is unstoppable. So there was Cam hey word was
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too annoyed by the other person to even hear what
Cam said. My apologies, I didn't catch on. I didn't
catch on anything other than he they don't get set
and it's illegal. Kids. Not a fan of me, to kinds,
I'm not a fan of at what was going on
right there, and I don't even know who that is.
I'm not drowned to be a hater or anything but that.
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So that being said, Cam Heyward not a big fan
of the play, and look, this is something I was
you know, it's funny because I was listening to I
forget what game it was on radio. I got it
was it was later in the season, but Mike Mayock
was on the radio call and he made the point
because there was one of those plays where they did
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a push play and it was I think it was
another team that was doing it. I don't know that
it was the Eagles. It might have been the Eagles,
but there was another there was a team doing it.
And his point was, you know, for a league that's
always concerned about player safety and worried about the safety
of their quarterbacks, why the hell did they think this
is a good idea to have three guys jam your
quarterback in the spine to push him forward to try
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and get a first down. Because that's sort of looks
like that. There's times Alen hurts when he's when he's
being pushed forward, like that's an uncomfortable position to be in,
especially for a guy coming off the injury that he's got,
and it is surprising that this has just been one
of those things to where the NFL is just kind
of I mean, okay, I guess we're just gonna be
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alright with it. It's a scrummost yeah, it's this. This's
a scrumb y'all sound like big sissies like I can
understand the the idea of it being an unfair advantage.
I get that, but I mean you could scrum. You could,
you could load up, just like they're loading up. If
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you're a defender, just pissing you off when you see that.
I will say this, there is space in between you
and the ball. Whereas in scrums and true scrumbs, you
already are locked in. Everybody is locked in, whereas this
one is you gotta shoot in and and and guys
are going to have their heads down. It is a
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dangerous proposition, it really is. But wrestling with there's a
restart to a match. You start in that position and
then you go there's no there's no rolling start. You know,
you're not getting a head start, And in this one,
it does feel like there's a little bit of a
head start. If there's a rolling start, then that is illegal.
But if they get down and they get set and
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they blow your ass off the ball, the only thing
that we're really sitting here debating is the quarterback being pushed.
That's really it. Yeah, you can't debate what's taking place
up front because and and all actuality. That's why it's
called the trenches. You're in the trenches. It's called that
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for a reason. It is a full contact sport. You
have a helmet, you have a face mask, they have
all this technology that they test to make sure that
you're trying to protect body parts and and and pet
body parts and different things like that. You're not gonna
ever get away from totally the brutality of a full
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contact sport. I almost feel like football is the only
sport that everybody which hunts physicality of the sport like
screw that you line up and and and if you
know what, if they could have ran that play and
won the game, if they could have ran that play
twenty times, that was twenty times they ran that play,
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and you could win that game. Then run to play.
Run it until they say that it's it's illegal and
they're not going to use it. Run the play. See
you don't have an issue with three players behind Jalen
Hurts pushing him forward. Stop to play, Stop to play.
What if it's just one If you had there's one
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players allowed, but there's three bunched up, you only got
so much body to push on, Like, do you really
think that three people pushing on a dude the force
transferring from those three dudes is equally going into Jalen
Hurts his body, and Jalen Hurts is just this rag
doll that's being pushed through all of these people through
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mass humanity. And I can break it down for you.
I think the guy in the middle, he's responsible for
Jalen Hurts from the back of his helmet all the
way down to his tailbone. And the other guys have
a clear job. You already get his shoulder blade on
the right and his shoulder blade on the left, and
then you latch on and then you guys shove him forward.
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Let me ask you a question, what are those grown
asthmen on the other side of where he's being pushed? Yes, okay,
it for me, I mean, so that's it for me.
So why can't you push them? Why what's stopping the
other side from pushing the front and back to take
the middle linebacker and have three guys. I thought it
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was excellent. I thought it was excellent in the sense
that you're demoralizing that defensive front. You're demoralizing them, like
that's That's what I was thinking when I was watching
the game. I'm like you, we said that. This is
what this is what I said. I don't want to
speak for everyone else. I said going into this game,
one of the biggest differences in this game is going
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to be the physicality of the offensive and defensive fronts
of the Philadelphia Eagles. They are going to be too
physical for Kansas City. And in those moments, you saw
the physicality that differentiate the differentia differential and in the
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strength of of the offensive line of Philly versus the
strength of of the Kansas City Chiefs defensive front. You
saw the difference every single time. So if we're saying
because if you look at it, they were blowing. They
were blowing Kansas City off the ball. Listen, they've been
(41:57):
doing it all year. The place unstoppable. They've been doing
it all but it is stoppable. If you have a
Keith Trailer and a Chad Washington and you have guys
in there. That's why you have That's why you have
the ability to to substitute when the offense substitutes. If
you get in to that tank personnel on the field,
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you are able to put in tank personnel to match
that gold line personnel, whatever you wanna call it. You
match the physicality and the size and the girth of
what's taking place up front. That's where it all starts,
and that's where it all ends as far as the
guys being behind them and pushing them. If there's no
push up front, I don't give a good gosh darn.
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If there's a running back, you think Reggie Bush is
pushing Matt Liner through a massive line of humanity. If
them boys is pushing like like, you've got guys that
are bench pressing five hundreds some plus pounds, squatting x
amount of weight, thousands of pounds like, I'm not trying
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to hear that. Either you you went up front, or
you lose up front. And and the only time the
quarterback begins to matter is if the line of scrimmage moves.
The line of scrimmage has to move. So when that
ball is snapped, whoever wins down there and them trenches,
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you versus me, that is one on one blocking. You
get into the gap, you get into the gap, you're
pushing this guy. You're pushing this guy. And it's the
same exact thing for both sides of the ball. So
if they're strong enough to blow you two, three or
four yards off the ball and they're pushing Jalen hurts
extra yard or extra couple of inches or whatever it
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may be, you've already lost. You've already lost up front. Now,
while I'll sit there and say I understand that there
could be health concerns about it, but to say it's
an un stoppable play, I would I would argue that.
I would argue that. And also I think is it
a safe play? Maybe it's not a safe place. And
I think part of this as well. To Cam Hayward,
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I mean, you know who his dad was, iron Head Hayward.
That's a guy who didn't need a push from behind.
Iron Head Hayward put his head down and people went
to night night. Remember Mark, Remember Mark Bavaro. Nobody was
pushing Mark Bavaro from behind. He was just carrying dudes.
That's how it was back in the day. Well, that's fine.
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I prefer you know, doing it yourself. I'm just saying,
whether you like it or not, you know who had
to do it themselves? Lineman them Lineman. That was pushing
them boys all the way back every single time in
that game, Like figure it out, do you slant, do
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you get a heavier guy in there, whatever it is
you need to do. That's a monoman that's like sumo wrestling,
Like I gotta hold you. You You got a hold of me.
You don't have to go backwards. The Eagles players weren't
going backwards. Why weren't they going backwards? Why? Because they
noticed snapdout. It's probably first sound. If it ain't first sound,
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they're trying to draw you off sides, or they run
the risk of jumping off sides. They're not going to
do that. It's going on first sound. Get your ass down,
get your ass ready and push. Push you know who?
You know, you know who was pushing Kelsey Eagles line,
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pushing back first down every time. Say it with your chess.
By the way, when you mentioned Keith Trailer and Ted Washington,
how about the fact that they were both on the
same defensive line Chicago. Okay, Now, ain't nobody moving them?
You want to know why ray Lewis was doing what
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he was doing. Ain't nobody moving the goose and saying, Madams,
you ever see them, dude, you're not moving them. And
then you go to the outside and you got you
got uh Peter Bullware on one side, you got Mike
mcquarie on the other side. You're not dealing. It's the
defensive fronts that's gonna make the difference. If you can't
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get off of that defensive front, then everybody behind there
had especially in running running defenses. Everybody's got a chance
to do what they need to do. Everybody's got chance
to do what you need to do. Matt, that that
defensive front for Chicago during that that's that with uh
King Wally. Come on, man, them boys was out that
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bad boy Gagan, Alex Brown a B and you're talking
about Alex Brown and Wally were big enough to be
interior linemen and they were dwarfed by trailer and big
Tad dwarfed. So I'm not really into all of that.
Like you start thinking about dudes like Gilbert Brown, the
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grave Digger, You start thinking about dudes that you put
Jerry Ball, you know, like the race seals, the you know,
I'm from Pittsburgh, so and you're thinking about like, you know,
big big hassle rig and all those guys that that
you put in the center of a line, and all
their job is to do is to take two dudes
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and push them back. That's your only job, take two
dudes and push them back. If you don't have nobody
like that on your defensive front, I'm sorry. You got
Chris Jones. How did not join LaVar leaping cats? Like, hey,
out there leaping over the line. You're not gonna push
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nobody back. Leaping over the line. That's your interior line,
your linebacker. I could see a linebacker leaping over You
got a defense, a three technique of zero tech chnique
tiving over the ball. They had no hope to me,
that's football. You know what that said to me. We
got these boys, let's line up, let's strap up. This
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one of them type games. I'm coming to your face.
I'm coming to your face. This dude, You're best player
on defense, is leaping over us because we're too physical
for him down low. We're too physical down here to
get him. He gotta leap over us. Let's go our game,
our time own that line. That's how I look at it.
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But you know, it's a whole lot of cisy talk
going on. Listen, it's cool, it's cool. You want to
be soft about it. But in the end, it is football.
So you want to put a rule in and say
it's unfair, it's unfair. It's unfair. Okay, I get it.
It's unfair. I don't get how it's unfair, but it's unfair.
You gotta loving guys, they got a loving guys. You
gotta go this way. You gotta keep them from going
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that way. You didn't keep them from going that way.
So what's unfair out that you got eleven guys? And
most people will say it's usually eleven on ten because
a lot of people don't include the quarterback. You can
include the quarterback for Philly. That's great, eleven on eleven.
What's the problem. You got eleven guys versus their eleven
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guys to stop to play. You never stopped it, So
now everybody's bitching and moaning and complaining about that is unfair.
It's unfair. It's unfair. Stop the push the dude back.
I don't care if you're the only one that pushes
him back. If it didn't work because somebody else. Then
figure it out with that guy. But don't you be
the guy that's getting your as. Drove the hell up
(49:36):
off of the ball, Drove the ball, carry drop, drive
your lineman back. If you're the point of the defense
and you can drive that center back, you drive the
center back. There isn't but so much you can do
in that that situation. Anyway, you're going into one or
two or zero hole. One two or zero hole. You
might try to squirt through the three or the four hole.
(49:58):
You might and that's a risk. That's a risk. You're
going you're going one step to the left or one
step to the right, and you're going down to try
to push forward. And you're telling me that's too hard,
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what's happening in Kansas City to like against all odds,
you know, like to see what they've done, because I
don't know, I don't know if you're aware of this,
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but you know everybody knows well, but everybody was counting
them out, you know, like everybody was saying it was
for the Kansas City Church. I mean, if you think
we're lying, just ask Travis Kelsey, who had the mike
yesterday at the parade. The haters are saying that cheese,
we're done. If you knew the Chiefs we're gonna win
(02:16):
the division, let me hear you say, hell yeah yeah.
So apparently the haters thought the Kansas City Chiefs were done,
like that is what the haters thought. Not I don't
know if you're aware of that. But that is what
the haters we were saying. According to Travis, If I'm
Travis Kelsey, I'd say the haters thought that they could
(02:38):
stop me catching the ball in the center of the
field every damn game, and they still haven't figured it out.
They still have not figured out how to cover me,
because that's really what it is. Well, especially the first
drive because Philly went down and scored and Kansas City
got the ball and just went right down in the
(03:00):
field again. But I'm talking as a whole, like you've
only seen literally maybe one or two teams that have
been able to defense Travis Kelsey. It's mind blowing to me.
And I know you have to maintain the integrity of
the defense. So it allows for Kelsey to run his
(03:20):
routes and and I mean give credit to whoever is
crafting the plays that get him to the same exact
places on the field in different ways. And sometimes those
different ways aren't him running different routes, it's the other
guys out there running different routes. You know, he didn't
(03:40):
have the most receiving yards and in the Super Bowl
it was it was Juju who had who led I
believe in in uh in yards so I just think
that the success of what you you're seeing, obviously, Patrick
Mahomes in any given situation is going to be the guy.
I would be curious if Patrick Mahomes could be as
(04:03):
good as Patrick Mahomes is without Travis Kelsey. I know
he's done it without the Cheetah, but I just wonder
if he would be any good Like if Travis Kelsey
went down, how good would this team possibly be in
terms of of where they are? How good would Travis
How good would Patrick Mahomes be if he didn't have
(04:24):
Travis Kelsey. So to me, I mean, if you're looking
at against the world, it literally is Travis Kelsey against
the world. Now, a lot of people thought, include myself,
a lot of I felt as though it would be
a difficult year. It would be a much different team
(04:46):
without the Cheetah on the team. Like I just I
think everybody thought to rekill leaving the team would possibly
be something that that that maybe put them, you know,
a step back. But I mean and even going into
the super Bowl with Patrick Mahomes being you know, still
(05:06):
on the men from from his injury, you know, I
just didn't see a team that I thought would when
the Super Bowl. Come out of that Cincinnati Bengals game. Well,
I mean, like I know, Travis Kelsey was talking about,
you know, sort of them against the world and and
all the haters out there, But at least Patrick Mahomes
was a little bit more realistic and understanding that they're
always the favorite going into a lot of these seasons.
(05:29):
Before we started this season, the n West said we
were rebuilding. I'll be honest with you, rebuilding means and
not rebuilding. You were world chips. Well he probably doesn't
know what the word throat loss ange means either, so
(05:49):
don't make a correction there. Kelsey did have the most
receiving yards, which again it kind of proves my point
you anyway, there in the receiving the part, Juju had
the moss. But who the thought Kansas City was rebuilding?
I got news for you. When you pay your quarterback
four million dollars, you no longer allowed to rebuild. It's
(06:12):
over like that is that was the rebuild was to
get to Patrick Mahomes and you're here and now you're
a contender every single year. You're the chalk pick moving
forward and the idea that's why before the season started,
when everybody was pointing out, man, Tyreek Hill, what's this
team gonna look like? I think we even said it
on the show. Look, give me the combination of Patrick
(06:34):
Mahomes Travis Kelsey over Tyreek Hill and insert a quarterback
of your choice and I'll go with Patrick Mahomes and
Travis Kelsey. I'll roll with that. And it played out
this year like that was. You saw guys like you know,
Juju Smith Schuster who came in on a one year deal,
and some of these other guys who all of a sudden,
we're making plays and in Super Bowls putting out Valentine telegram. Yeah,
(06:58):
you know, just really humble and uh and their approach
to winning a Super Bowl all that, I just I
get the whole Listen. There were some people that were like, well,
what is it gonna look like? But there were no haters,
there are no skeptics, like that's over with. You can't
play that card anymore. It's a done deal. You're in
the middle of a dynasty that whole that whole thing.
So they're speeches were contradicting then, So how does that
(07:21):
work for guys, For guys to be so much on
the same page, How how is Patrick Mahomes and Travis
Kelsey's conversations to the fans kind of contradicting. I mean,
the haters didn't think we could do it this, not
the other. But then Patrick Mahomes is like, man, even
in a even in a rebuilding year, we're not rebuilding.
Were the champs? Well, I think I think Mahomes was
(07:43):
trying to take a shot at, you know people, So
they were trying to tell us that we were rebuilding. Yeah,
they were trying to tell them they were rebuilding. Are
they the favorites for next year? Yes, and they should
be the favorite every single year moving forward. There's literally
only one team that can beat them. Buffalo, No, Cincinnatiinati,
Cincinnatis on. I don't know that Buffalo now here we
(08:05):
go now Buffalo can start to grab onto the they
hate me train. I don't know that Buffalo hasn't hit
their Sailly I would agree. I I think their window
becoming a dominant team might have closed. They had a
bit of a meltdown after that game. The game against
(08:26):
Cincinnati was a bit of a meltdown, and they didn't
have like they had a lot of crap go on
this year, and they had their travel issues, that Damar
Hamlin situation, which you know, just continues to be a
little bit more odd the way that whole thing is transpired.
And everybody had Buffalo as the team. Nobody, nobody was
sitting there and if you if you were, you're lying,
(08:48):
you might have said Kansas City would be good this year.
Most people have Buffalo as the team out of day,
especially after the first game. Remember what they did to
the Rams, like that was the defending suit. We Bowl
champs at home and Buffalo beat that And he didn't
realize that it was like that that was that was
(09:09):
a one off. No, it wasn't. That's gonna be what
the season looks like moving forward. Yeah, it's kind of
going to be what they are the rest of the way.
I mean, I don't see them changing. Yeah, I I
I'm look, I'm a little bit I'm with you. I'm
a little bit skeptical as to what Buffalo is gonna
look like moving forward. I think there's still gonna be
in contention. Is there's way too much talent there and
Josh Allen's in his prime, but the way he plays
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and all the other it just it feels like there
were opportunities with this team with Buffalo over the past
several years, they didn't cash in on. And that loss
to Cincinnati may have been the beginning because look, you
saw the way those players reacted afterwards. Stefon Diggs had
a meltdown. You just you saw like all of that transport.
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They were largely like ineffective in that since the game.
Since he's the team, since he's the only team, I
can go toe to toad like it's like form in
versus Fraser. And I would say there's a clear divide
between Sinse and Buffalo right now because that game wasn't
close that from these he had Casey, since he had
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Casey again, and and and for what it's worth, I
just don't after looking at the way they dismantled uh
Phillies defense is good and as historically good as they
were in getting to the quarterback, the coaching bar none
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is so amazing in Kansas City. That's also a great equalizer.
So not only do you have the best quarterback in
the game and the best tight end in the game,
you have the best coaching staff. I mean even on
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the defense side of the ball. Spagnola's his his defense
found a way to eliminate the run, which was the
strength of Philly. You eliminated the run. You forced it
to be a passing game. And you've got key critical
stops and key critical moments of the game that allowed
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for your team to get a hit in the game.
That's just that's hard. That's hard to beat. And I
I can only see SENSEI right now being that team
that can, you know, kind of unseat them by the
way Andy Reid is approaching and know all that, and
and top of the top of the food chain when
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it comes to all time coaches. He's in the conversation now,
he's in the conversator you station with Bill Parcels, who
had two Super Bowls. But the one thing people always
pointed to when it comes to Bill Parcels is, yeah,
he went to two Super Bowls, but he also took
New England to a Super Bowl. And Andy Reid had
Philly and four straight NFC championship games. They were in
four straight NFC title games and went to a Super
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Bowl and went to a Super Bowl with Terrell Owens
compromised plan on one leg and Donovan mcdab throwing up
on the field during the game. So like and Fred
you know, franchises in the game. So Andy Reid has
done this with multiple teams now and he's been to
several of them. Like he's approaching all time status when
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it comes to coaches in the history of the league.
And he's figured it out because he couldn't get it
done in Philly, as as good as he was, as
dominant as his teams were. Jimmy Johnson's defense is historical,
historically good defenses. Um, they just couldn't get it done.
And and now you're seeing I mean, defensively speaking, I
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don't think anything has has resembled the type of teams
he had when he was in Philly. No, not even close.
Yet he's the Super Bowls. So I mean Donovan McNabb
was like leading the league and passing yards you know,
or passing touchdowns whatever it was like on the yearly
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like he was just bombing. I mean, you had Terrell Owens,
you had well that was before Terrell Owens got there,
I know, because I had to deal with them mothersuckers
every single year. Westbrook one of the one of the
most even before Westbrook, Like you're talking with Deuce Douce
Staley with with Carl Pinkston with or Todd was it
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Todd Todd Pinkston with uh Antonio Freeman when he was
on uh the team? Uh Like it's like you never
heard of real receivers on their team. But they were bawling.
They were bawling. They had big Trey Um was it
Trey john Not Trey Johnson. Trey Johnson played with me?
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What Trey Thomas? You had, Trey Thomas? You had running
chadler Us. Yeah, Chad Lewis that tight end that that
I mean their teams were man. You look at them,
it's like their offensive line was stout and sturdy. But
it's like receiving wise, like we should be able to
take their receivers out of the game. You should be
able to take Chad Lewis out of the game. We
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should be able to to make this in a box
game and play them against the run. But Donovan McNabb
and and Andy Reid schemes always found a way to
knife you up. They always found a way to run
progressions and run run you know, plays that worked. They
always worked. I don't know, I don't know, but but
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give Andy Reid a ton of credit because I do
not think this was a team that was actually supposed
to win the Super Bowl this year, and that might
sound crazy. Now they won the Super Bowl. How to die.
Everybody's loading them, everybody's praising them. I do not think
this was a year where you sit there and you say,
Kansas City win this super Bowl. I just didn't think this.
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When you say, though, before we get to break, wouldn't
you say that they You may have looked at them
and said I like so and so better. I like
Buffalo better, or Cincinnati or who knows if you like
the Rams to repeat, whatever the case. Maybe I liked
all of these teams better, but Kansas City. And that's
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still in And that's all you can hope for, because
just get to the dance and then see how it
plays out, because it went off going into this season.
Are they in the conversation or are you saying they
should they'll probably be the favorite to win. They're in
the conversation from now until two thousand and thirty three,
and there you go, yeah, and that's when Pat Mahomes
comes up. Yeah, And well that's when you know who
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knows at his age whether or not he's still going
to be rolling out there and play how many years.
Is that ten years from now? Yeah, ten years you
might still be How many years is he? Inve came
in seventeen, he has six years, sixteen year career. Yeah,
he'll still be good. We'll still be here in ten
years doing this show. Hell yeah, waking up at this
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perfect hour. You're kidding me on the West Coast, all right? Yeah?
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Right now, we turn it over to the man himself,
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Albert Brier, Senior NFL reporter at the mm QB. Get
him on Twitter at Albert Brier. So, a, b, have
you had a chance to sort of come up for
air yet, knowing that the NFL season is behind us?
And so now can you be a little bit more
you know, calm when you're going to make a muffin
run for the kids. And now all of a sudden
everything starts to come more clear. You start to see
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and talk to people you weren't able to talk to
you for the past six months. How you feeling now, well,
I'm not sad, but the season's over. I hate to
admit that, but I love football. But yeah, it's definitely
the it's a long it's a long period of time
to have your weekend's gone and all that. So, uh yeah,
I'm not like, I'm not I'm not sitting here crushed
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to the NFL seasons over. Yeah, it's it is a
long grind of a season. Now. When it comes to
timelines and how this all works, what are we looking
at at the Derek Carr situation? When do you expect
that to be resolved in him to pick a destination? Yeah,
I mean I would think that, like probably at some
point before the combine, you know, and I think that
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would be playing to his edge. Now. His edge right
now is that he's out there a month ahead of
the rest of the free agents. And so you know,
if you're one of these teams and you're considering Jimmy
Garoppolo or you know, what happens with Ryan Tannehill or
Baker Mayfield. Um, you know, at this point you're still
sort of guessing at you know what, what what might happen,
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you know, in free agency and on the trade market
and You're really not gonna have a great guest on
that until the NFL converges on Indianapolis a week for Monday.
And so what Derek Carr does can do for you
is he can give you certainty right now, or you
can bring him in, sign him and then start planning
for the future. And so you know, I think the
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advantage that Derek Carr has won't last forever, but for
the next week and a half or so, the uncertainty
with every other quarterback out there really does help Derek Carr. Uh.
Speaking of people that could be on the move aired
the enemy, just interview with the commander, I mean commanders. Uh,
I'll be slipping up. I'd be really wanting to say
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the real word we call say commanders on this show. Anyways,
brit Uh. He does interview for for offensive coordinator. Seemingly
he's trying to navigate the hoops and the moving goal
post to be able to get this elusive head coaching job.
It's come up recently the whole nine incidents. First of all,
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is not far enough away for someone to have a
reprieve in their life. And then secondly, um, what do
you think is the I guess the real foundational reasons
as to why Eric b Enemy is not really seriously
being considered for a hit role. Well, I think at first, LaVar,
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and this was like a few years ago. I think
at first, like the incidents were a problem, you know,
and and remember what sort of time we were in,
you know, what we've seen in the league, and like
all this stuff that had been going on, and so
like I do think if you like remind the clock
to um, I do think those things were a factor.
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I also think there was a question of you know,
like how would you do is in running an organization?
You know, and so because I had I think, which
is more than coaching, So there was that question out there. Um,
you know, I think at this point it's almost become
the problem is the problem, you know what I mean,
Like where like I I think for a lot of teams,
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it's like they look at and say, well, why didn't
this team or this team or this team hire him?
What am I missing? You know? And then it's if
we hire him, like like you know, like what is
that like as that can reflect on us, It's just
I just think like it's sort of become one of
those things with the problem is the problem, and I
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in the shape of it is that the enemy didn't
ask for any of this, you know what I mean. Like,
so that's sort of where I'm at on it. You know,
it's unfortunate. And I think, like, to me, like going
to Washington isn't so much about calling plays as it
is about changing the narrative, you know, like calling plays, guys,
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is not like I mean, like if you ask me,
like what Sean McVeigh, for example, strengths are like he's
a really good called play caller, play callings down the list,
like as far as things that are important to make
him the coach that the head coach that he is.
And so yeah, I mean, if he goes to Washington,
I'll get to show that he can kind of be
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the captain ship for half of the team and um,
he can you know, call an offense and all that.
Like I but I think like the bigger thing here
might be just changing the narrative, you know. And um,
you know, I think going somewhere else and given the
opportunity to do that, and again he shouldn't have to
do that, but I think that would be probably part
of the logic and doing something like this. Remember Albert
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the story on Matt Patricia, there was something that came
up from his past. Remember he took over the Lion's job,
and there was some incident that popped up from his past,
and it was like, okay, because that was right around
the same timeline that a lot of this stuff was
coming up with the enemy, why isn't getting opportunities? So
it does seem a little bit like that as well. Yeah,
well that and you know what's what's interesting about that too, Jonas,
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is that the owners think about these things, right, And
what they're thinking isn't that the Lions missed that one?
But that's a really good example of like what an
owner thinks about sometimes, right, because it's like when you
hire a head coach or you've draft a quarterback, what's
the first thing, like the media in your city is
gonna do. They're gonna start working on stories and the
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guy and they're gonna start digging into their past. And
that's how that manutrition thing came up. So like that's
part of it, you know, like where you know the
very Enny des Hire something where the first thing that
would happen whatever city he goes to is you have
reporders digging into what happened back in the nineties. So, um,
you know, like should he task that? Sure? Like should
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he be shouldn't be at the point now where I mean,
are there other coaches who have had you know, Skelton's
in the closet, who've gotten opportunities? Absolutely? Um, you know,
but I I think it'd be foolish not to think
that that sort of thing could be a thatcher for
an owner. Get him on Twitter at Albert Breer. He's
senior NFL reporter at the MMQB Albert Brier joining us
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here on Fox Sports Radio. So let me ask you
as far as the number one pick goes, because I've
I've heard you and we've talked about it that you
believe the Bears are going to keep justin fields. There's
not gonna be this, you know, decision for them to
move off from him and then draft Rice Young or
c J. Strad whoever they think is number one. Well,
if that's the case, who's most likely in your mind
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to trade with Chicago to get that number one pick
to get the quarterback of their choice. I think in
Indianapolis and Carolina you have owners that are hyper motivated
to solve the quarterback question. And I think in Indianapolis
can't even got new head coaches that came in specifically
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to fix the quarterback position. So like, those are the
first two teams that I'm looking at, because we've seen
this before where a team has struck out and swung
and missed and all the rest of it of the
quarterback position, and ownership gets involved, and now all of
a sudden they are like really after it, you know.
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And we saw it with the Jets, for example in
two thousand and eighteen when they traded up to get
in a position to take Sam Donald. And we saw
it with Washington back in two thousand and twelve um
when they got really aggressive and moving up from six
to two to get Robert Griffin the third. And so
like I always look at that part of the jonas
like where where is there an owner involved, where you
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know there's gonna be pressure on the football people to
go and get a quarterback, and where it's not going
to be acceptable to be sitting there further down in
the top ten and the quarterbacks come out the board
and it's like, oh, well, we'll try again next year.
So like that, those are the teams that I would
look at. And I think that in Indianapolis and Carolina
there's gonna be pressure on the new coaches and the
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sitting general managers to get the quarterback position fixed, and
they won't had the luxury of waiting until it. Maybe
how much pressure was on er, say, to hire someone
other than Jeff Saturday. I mean it just seemingly looked
as though he was, you know, buying time before he
could announce Jeff Saturday. It goes in a different direction.
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How much how much of the pressure or the outcry,
the outpouring of please don't do it played him part
in him not taking Jeff Saturday. Yeah, I mean, LaVar,
I think that it's a factor, you know, Like I
I think that somebody who hears his fan base, you know,
and I and I think, you know, like beyondest her
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his fan base, I think he heard it the people
in his building too. And I give him credit for that,
Like you know, I I he had a very close
relationship with Jeff Saturday. This was sort of an experiment
that he had been I would say, sort of ruminating
on for a while. And you know, I think the
idea was when he made the move, like this guy
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is gonna be way better than people think, and I'm
gonna be able to hire him full time and so
like that. When it didn't work, it's you know, like
I I think there's a feeling like, well, I want
to I still want to give this a go. I
still want to show that I'm right. And I think
one of the reasons they set up the process the
way they did LaVar is that they wanted to get
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as many good people in front of Jim Rcy as
they possibly could to show him they are better options
out there right now, there are other things that we
can do. And you know, whether that whether it happened
by accident or not, I think they actually set up
like a pretty good process to go through to do it,
you know, starting with the Zoom interviews and then coming
back and doing twelve hour in person interviews where each
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guy got to spend four hours with the owner and
you know, did game management stuff and all this different
stuff that they had them do. Like I I think
they actually set up a pretty good process. Um again,
even if it was by accident, to show jimmercy are
other options out there, but Jeff Saturday, Um, certainly, I
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think they didn't lack for effort in going and finding
Shan Psychi, And I think a part of that, like
you said, is that there was an effort in the
building to make sure that they got the best guy
and not just settle. On Jeff Saturday, Albert Brier joining
us here on Fox Sports Radio. Get him on Twitter
at Albert Brier, Senior NFL reporter At the MMQB. We
were talking about Calvin Ridley applying for reinstatement, and look,
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you know the gambling stuff aside, I've known degenerate gamblers.
He's not a degenerate gambler. He placed a bunch of
fantasy bets, all right, It's not like he's got runners
going from casino to casino making bets for him. He
got popped and now potentially he comes back after a year.
But now you kind of look forward and it was
almost like this under the radar trade deadline deal that
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was made between Atlanta and Jacksonville. We're talking earlier, Albert,
is there a chance that Jacksonville could run that division
for the next several years because there's the quarterback, you know,
and you know it's three don't right now? You know?
And and that and look like I think that's gonna change.
I think, you know, like Houston's gonna get somebody, um
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this offseason. Indianapolis is gonna get somebody this offseason. We'll
see if Tennessee sticks with Tannehill or not. But I mean,
they are by far the most stable team in the
division when it comes to the quarterback position. And now Lesten,
they've got stability with a super Bowl winning head coach,
which they're the only team in the division with one
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of those two. So like I think if you look
at the and and look, there are other good coaches
in the division, like I think for Able is a
top ten, if not top five coach, Like I I
I look at Demiko Ryan if somebody's got a ton
of potential change staken too. But you know, you look
at coach quarterback in tend I mean you say, they've
got that in a better spot than any other team
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in the division does right now. And not only that,
in the same way Josh Allen turned Buffalo into a destination,
the same way that Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City into
a destination, the same way I think Joe Burrows turning
Cincinnati into the destination. Trevor Lawrence has the chance to
do that for Jacksonville, where Jacksonville becomes a place where
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players want to go. And so I mean, I think
that there's a really good chance that Jacksonville has the
opprehend and everybody in that division for the foreseeable future.
And you know, we'll see, I mean, Tennessee is an
established winner, so you'd be foolish to discount them. And
you know, we'll see what happens with the new coaches
in Houston and Indianapolis. But yeah, I mean I think
Jacksonville it's hard. It's hard to it was hard to
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be it would be hard to look at that division
say if the next two or three years at least
Jacksonville isn't the team that's the best set up. Maybe
my last question for you is the referees, Uh, the
short yardage plays. There's there's a lot that the NFL
is going to have to review. Roger Goodale came out
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and said he was happy with the way the refs
ref the games. He thought that there isn't a ref
freeze issue. Was that tongue in cheek or do they
really need to kind of address some of those things.
And then obviously that the you know which I don't
think they're obviously not related. But in terms of competition
committee coming together, Um, I mean, how big of a
deal is that that fourth down or that short yardage
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play of them being able to push the guys I personally,
I know, you know, there's there's a lot of people
that fall on both sides of the debates. See now,
I wish Brady was here because like he was having
to feel for the bush bush right, Yeah, hard feelings?
No no, no, no no, no, but no, but am I
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am I wrong? Like that was like that guy that
was an illegal place? It was yeah that then it
was like, so I don't I mean, hey, like, how
did this become okay? Right? Like? And b if the
league is telling us how important players safety is, right,
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and if the league is telling us that, um, you know,
quarterback safety is even more important than players safety for
the rest of them, right, how is it okay to
like have plays where a quarterback is literally getting pushed
through a pile of body? You know what I mean? Like,
how does that make any sense at all? I just
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that's one to me that like it's not an entertaining play,
It's sort of takes the competitiveness out of fourth and
one and it's not good for quarterback health and say
that the health of the quarterback, right, So, like I
I do think that that's something that they do have
to look at, you know, I look again, like I
don't know where along the line maybe it was. I mean,
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it was it illegal in college and legal in the NFL.
I'm not even sure it was never legal when I was. Yeah,
I mean I do remember, like I remember, like the
whole thing with that Notre Dame SC game was that
what USC did was against the rule and so um
so yeah, I mean I I miss them and they
have to look at and you know, as for what
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Rogers said, I mean I almost feel like that press office,
like he came to this point where he's like, I'm
sick of being creative about lying, do you guys? I'm right?
You know, you know, Yes, you're right, I am fooling around.
I don't know, I'll submit it for you. Yes, I
am that that's I'm telling a lie here, honestly. Jonas like,
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but but I think we all see what we see,
you know, And I don't know why they haven't been
better about using technology to help the officials on the field,
Like we all have the benefit. And I've been banging
this trump forever and there are a lot of coaches.
I can tell you that the majority of head coach
in the NFL agree with me, the great majority. They
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have all this technology right, all the technology to get
it right, and you can do it in the blink
of an eye through earpieces and headsets and all that
different stuff, right, And like, why not give the officials
the advantage that we all have, Like Roger talked about
how you see it from ten different angles and crystal
clear HD and he didn't be and you weren't able
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to do that thirty years ago. Well, why aren't you
giving the officials that? Like, why aren't you putting people
in the booth, paying them and assigning them to say,
your job is to sit here, and when they get
something wrong, miss something obvious, you buzz down to them
and without and the deploy comment. I you say, pick
the flag up, throw the flag that's wrong, this is right?
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Like you could very easily do that, and you can
limit it to the obvious stuff. I just I don't
know why the NFL keeps stepping stepping on its you
know one on this because I don't like that that
the technology is sitting there and it's out there for them,
and for one reason or another, they refuse to use it.
Get him on Twitter at Albert Career, senior NFL reporter
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at the MMQB Albert. We appreciate it, man, Thanks so much.
Hopefully we'll do it again next week. Stuff from a B. There.
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or wherever you get your podcasts. So Cam Hayward of
the Pittsburgh Steelers not a big fan of this Eagles
push play which you asked Albert Brier about last hour
here on the show, and Cam Hayward was on his podcast,
The Not Just Football Podcast, and he had some strong
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words about the play. Let's take a listen. It's illegal
and then they're never never said if you watch it,
the old lineman are never set. He's not happy. Okay,
I'm triggered. Do you think the rules should be changed? Yes,
it should be changed. And there's never a given time
they hurry up to the ball. No one's ever said
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they're rolling forward. I have this on tape, we can
watch it. We can find some paper on this. I'm
always these fourth downs because no, it's always skewed to
the offense. I'm just confused why they switched the rule.
It used to be a penalty to push your back forward,
like nobody really noticed until the Eagles were like, oh
this is unstoppable. So there was Cam hey word was
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too annoyed by the other person to even hear what
Cam said. My apologies, I didn't catch on. I didn't
catch on anything other than he they don't get set
and it's illegal. Kids. Not a fan of me, to kinds,
I'm not a fan of at what was going on
right there, and I don't even know who that is.
I'm not drowned to be a hater or anything but that.
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So that being said, Cam Heyward not a big fan
of the play, and look, this is something I was
you know, it's funny because I was listening to I
forget what game it was on radio. I got it
was it was later in the season, but Mike Mayock
was on the radio call and he made the point
because there was one of those plays where they did
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a push play and it was I think it was
another team that was doing it. I don't know that
it was the Eagles. It might have been the Eagles,
but there was another there was a team doing it.
And his point was, you know, for a league that's
always concerned about player safety and worried about the safety
of their quarterbacks, why the hell did they think this
is a good idea to have three guys jam your
quarterback in the spine to push him forward to try
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and get a first down. Because that's sort of looks
like that. There's times Alen hurts when he's when he's
being pushed forward, like that's an uncomfortable position to be in,
especially for a guy coming off the injury that he's got,
and it is surprising that this has just been one
of those things to where the NFL is just kind
of I mean, okay, I guess we're just gonna be
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alright with it. It's a scrummost yeah, it's this. This's
a scrumb y'all sound like big sissies like I can
understand the the idea of it being an unfair advantage.
I get that, but I mean you could scrum. You could,
you could load up, just like they're loading up. If
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you're a defender, just pissing you off when you see that.
I will say this, there is space in between you
and the ball. Whereas in scrums and true scrumbs, you
already are locked in. Everybody is locked in, whereas this
one is you gotta shoot in and and and guys
are going to have their heads down. It is a
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dangerous proposition, it really is. But wrestling with there's a
restart to a match. You start in that position and
then you go there's no there's no rolling start. You know,
you're not getting a head start, And in this one,
it does feel like there's a little bit of a
head start. If there's a rolling start, then that is illegal.
But if they get down and they get set and
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they blow your ass off the ball, the only thing
that we're really sitting here debating is the quarterback being pushed.
That's really it. Yeah, you can't debate what's taking place
up front because and and all actuality. That's why it's
called the trenches. You're in the trenches. It's called that
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for a reason. It is a full contact sport. You
have a helmet, you have a face mask, they have
all this technology that they test to make sure that
you're trying to protect body parts and and and pet
body parts and different things like that. You're not gonna
ever get away from totally the brutality of a full
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contact sport. I almost feel like football is the only
sport that everybody which hunts physicality of the sport like
screw that you line up and and and if you
know what, if they could have ran that play and
won the game, if they could have ran that play
twenty times, that was twenty times they ran that play,
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and you could win that game. Then run to play.
Run it until they say that it's it's illegal and
they're not going to use it. Run the play. See
you don't have an issue with three players behind Jalen
Hurts pushing him forward. Stop to play, Stop to play.
What if it's just one If you had there's one
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players allowed, but there's three bunched up, you only got
so much body to push on, Like, do you really
think that three people pushing on a dude the force
transferring from those three dudes is equally going into Jalen
Hurts his body, and Jalen Hurts is just this rag
doll that's being pushed through all of these people through
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mass humanity. And I can break it down for you.
I think the guy in the middle, he's responsible for
Jalen Hurts from the back of his helmet all the
way down to his tailbone. And the other guys have
a clear job. You already get his shoulder blade on
the right and his shoulder blade on the left, and
then you latch on and then you guys shove him forward.
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Let me ask you a question, what are those grown
asthmen on the other side of where he's being pushed? Yes, okay,
it for me, I mean, so that's it for me.
So why can't you push them? Why what's stopping the
other side from pushing the front and back to take
the middle linebacker and have three guys. I thought it
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was excellent. I thought it was excellent in the sense
that you're demoralizing that defensive front. You're demoralizing them, like
that's That's what I was thinking when I was watching
the game. I'm like you, we said that. This is
what this is what I said. I don't want to
speak for everyone else. I said going into this game,
one of the biggest differences in this game is going
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to be the physicality of the offensive and defensive fronts
of the Philadelphia Eagles. They are going to be too
physical for Kansas City. And in those moments, you saw
the physicality that differentiate the differentia differential and in the
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strength of of the offensive line of Philly versus the
strength of of the Kansas City Chiefs defensive front. You
saw the difference every single time. So if we're saying
because if you look at it, they were blowing. They
were blowing Kansas City off the ball. Listen, they've been
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doing it all year. The place unstoppable. They've been doing
it all but it is stoppable. If you have a
Keith Trailer and a Chad Washington and you have guys
in there. That's why you have That's why you have
the ability to to substitute when the offense substitutes. If
you get in to that tank personnel on the field,
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you are able to put in tank personnel to match
that gold line personnel, whatever you wanna call it. You
match the physicality and the size and the girth of
what's taking place up front. That's where it all starts,
and that's where it all ends as far as the
guys being behind them and pushing them. If there's no
push up front, I don't give a good gosh darn.
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If there's a running back, you think Reggie Bush is
pushing Matt Liner through a massive line of humanity. If
them boys is pushing like like, you've got guys that
are bench pressing five hundreds some plus pounds, squatting x
amount of weight, thousands of pounds like, I'm not trying
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to hear that. Either you you went up front, or
you lose up front. And and the only time the
quarterback begins to matter is if the line of scrimmage moves.
The line of scrimmage has to move. So when that
ball is snapped, whoever wins down there and them trenches,
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you versus me, that is one on one blocking. You
get into the gap, you get into the gap, you're
pushing this guy. You're pushing this guy. And it's the
same exact thing for both sides of the ball. So
if they're strong enough to blow you two, three or
four yards off the ball and they're pushing Jalen hurts
extra yard or extra couple of inches or whatever it
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may be, you've already lost. You've already lost up front. Now,
while I'll sit there and say I understand that there
could be health concerns about it, but to say it's
an un stoppable play, I would I would argue that.
I would argue that. And also I think is it
a safe play? Maybe it's not a safe place. And
I think part of this as well. To Cam Hayward,
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I mean, you know who his dad was, iron Head Hayward.
That's a guy who didn't need a push from behind.
Iron Head Hayward put his head down and people went
to night night. Remember Mark, Remember Mark Bavaro. Nobody was
pushing Mark Bavaro from behind. He was just carrying dudes.
That's how it was back in the day. Well, that's fine.
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I prefer you know, doing it yourself. I'm just saying,
whether you like it or not, you know who had
to do it themselves? Lineman them Lineman. That was pushing
them boys all the way back every single time in
that game, Like figure it out, do you slant, do
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you get a heavier guy in there, whatever it is
you need to do. That's a monoman that's like sumo wrestling,
Like I gotta hold you. You You got a hold of me.
You don't have to go backwards. The Eagles players weren't
going backwards. Why weren't they going backwards? Why? Because they
noticed snapdout. It's probably first sound. If it ain't first sound,
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they're trying to draw you off sides, or they run
the risk of jumping off sides. They're not going to
do that. It's going on first sound. Get your ass down,
get your ass ready and push. Push you know who?
You know, you know who was pushing Kelsey Eagles line,
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pushing back first down every time. Say it with your chess.
By the way, when you mentioned Keith Trailer and Ted Washington,
how about the fact that they were both on the
same defensive line Chicago. Okay, Now, ain't nobody moving them?
You want to know why ray Lewis was doing what
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he was doing. Ain't nobody moving the goose and saying, Madams,
you ever see them, dude, you're not moving them. And
then you go to the outside and you got you
got uh Peter Bullware on one side, you got Mike
mcquarie on the other side. You're not dealing. It's the
defensive fronts that's gonna make the difference. If you can't
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get off of that defensive front, then everybody behind there
had especially in running running defenses. Everybody's got a chance
to do what they need to do. Everybody's got chance
to do what you need to do. Matt, that that
defensive front for Chicago during that that's that with uh
King Wally. Come on, man, them boys was out that
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bad boy Gagan, Alex Brown a B and you're talking
about Alex Brown and Wally were big enough to be
interior linemen and they were dwarfed by trailer and big
Tad dwarfed. So I'm not really into all of that.
Like you start thinking about dudes like Gilbert Brown, the
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grave Digger, You start thinking about dudes that you put
Jerry Ball, you know, like the race seals, the you know,
I'm from Pittsburgh, so and you're thinking about like, you know,
big big hassle rig and all those guys that that
you put in the center of a line, and all
their job is to do is to take two dudes
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and push them back. That's your only job, take two
dudes and push them back. If you don't have nobody
like that on your defensive front, I'm sorry. You got
Chris Jones. How did not join LaVar leaping cats? Like, hey,
out there leaping over the line. You're not gonna push
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nobody back. Leaping over the line. That's your interior line,
your linebacker. I could see a linebacker leaping over You
got a defense, a three technique of zero tech chnique
tiving over the ball. They had no hope to me,
that's football. You know what that said to me. We
got these boys, let's line up, let's strap up. This
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one of them type games. I'm coming to your face.
I'm coming to your face. This dude, You're best player
on defense, is leaping over us because we're too physical
for him down low. We're too physical down here to
get him. He gotta leap over us. Let's go our game,
our time own that line. That's how I look at it.
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But you know, it's a whole lot of cisy talk
going on. Listen, it's cool, it's cool. You want to
be soft about it. But in the end, it is football.
So you want to put a rule in and say
it's unfair, it's unfair. It's unfair. Okay, I get it.
It's unfair. I don't get how it's unfair, but it's unfair.
You gotta loving guys, they got a loving guys. You
gotta go this way. You gotta keep them from going
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that way. You didn't keep them from going that way.
So what's unfair out that you got eleven guys? And
most people will say it's usually eleven on ten because
a lot of people don't include the quarterback. You can
include the quarterback for Philly. That's great, eleven on eleven.
What's the problem. You got eleven guys versus their eleven
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guys to stop to play. You never stopped it, So
now everybody's bitching and moaning and complaining about that is unfair.
It's unfair. It's unfair. Stop the push the dude back.
I don't care if you're the only one that pushes
him back. If it didn't work because somebody else. Then
figure it out with that guy. But don't you be
the guy that's getting your as. Drove the hell up
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off of the ball, Drove the ball, carry drop, drive
your lineman back. If you're the point of the defense
and you can drive that center back, you drive the
center back. There isn't but so much you can do
in that that situation. Anyway, you're going into one or
two or zero hole. One two or zero hole. You
might try to squirt through the three or the four hole.
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You might and that's a risk. That's a risk. You're
going you're going one step to the left or one
step to the right, and you're going down to try
to push forward. And you're telling me that's too hard,
that's dangerous. That isn't sure. It might be dangerous. Football
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