June 13, 2023 • 38 mins
LaVar takes up arms against the game of Pickleball. Julian Edelman calls out the NFL for not investing in players by mandating grass field over turf. The weekly edition of “Would You Rather?” and much more!
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They get it done. Just an impressive five game run.
They only lost once their final two series in the
NBA playoffs, they swept the Lakers, they go on, they
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about what the the Denver team has done there for
their city. Now what this does for, you know, their
football team, who the hell knows. Maybe the expectations will
start to come back. They were all there, Yes, they were,
I mean not all of them, but they were. You know,
the main two were there. Yeah, Sean Payton, Russell Wilson
Ciar was there. S Era her too, wearing a cowboy hat.
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You're saying she's wearing a cowboy hat?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Can I vent for two seconds, totally off subject.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I need to vent.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, y'all need to cut it out with this pickleball mess.
I'm so over it. I'm so overhearing about pickleball. I'm
so over this pickleball craze. I don't understand it. Like
it sounds horribly bored, It looks painfully boring. It looks
(03:04):
like four lazy people being lazy playing ping pong on
a mini tennis court. I'm over the pickleball craze. Please stop.
If you want to be outside, stick to the traditional stuff.
If you don't want it to be fast where you
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have to run around all crazy, that's why they created badminton.
You hit it, it goes up unless you're like in
like the pros, You're not getting it like spiked down
on you where you got to like get deep and
try to dig it out of the ground and run
around for it, like it's just simple.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
So you prefer badminton over pickleball, right, Yes, it's like
not even close. It's one hundred percent better, like not
even and it isn't even close. And anybody that wants
to argue for pickleball, you're an idiot.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Much better.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I just needed to get this off of my chest
because I just feel though somebody like I feel like
in our culture, we do things like Watch, we're going
to do this and we're going to turn it into
a crazy Watch how easily swayed people are. We're going
to create a game called pickleball, and I bet you
we'll have everybody doing it. Watch, let's do it. Let's
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get a few big names to do it. Those big
names do it, and then everybody else is going to
do it. Stop a flipp and hate pickleball. I despise pickleball.
I hate the name, I hate the way it appears,
I hate the way it looks, I hate the way
people look playing it. I absolutely despise pickleball.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, it's not even especially with the summer coming up.
I mean it's not even even close to being near
the top of the list as far as summer activities because.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Cornhole is one corn corn. I always say bad mittens too.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Listen, go try ten If you're gonna go on a
court with a with a racket, there's this thing called
tennis with a ball that bounces and you have like
the whole mesh racket, not the little hard racket. Yeah,
like try tennis, stick with tennis, or go badminton. But
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this pickleball s it's like it's like dragging your fingers
down a chalkboard. It's it's it's air. It's irritating. I'm
with you, and I'm tired of hearing about it, and
I'm tired. Oh what are you doing today? Go and
go get some pickleball in what like go cliff diving
before you go pickleball and go go like go drink
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some toilet water or something like that. You wanna try
something new, do something that's like really like worth doing
something new like pickleball? How has this become a craze?
Like people are buying pickleball teams and stuff like that
pickleball business.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's so dumb.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Why don't you and I bring back badminton because I
feel like badminton has been completely disrespected in this whole thing.
Like badminton's fun for everybody playing play table tennis? Yeah, Lee,
that's the only time it makes sense to have like
an opaque object where you're striking a ball and it goes.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Over the net? Do do do table tennis? Pickle ball? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Well, it's like Forrest Gump, like did you see Forrest
go take up pickleball.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
When in the movie this is a guy who was
completely made with tennis.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Yeah, like to take his mind off you go to
the Olympics, ye table tennis, to take his mind off
the fact that the woman he loved was was you know,
was the human doorknob. Everybody's getting a turn, he said
to him. He took up ping pong. He didn't take
up pickleball.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It was ping pong.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
She might have taken up pickleball, and it might have
been a different game back then, but the point is difference.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I'm with you. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I don't get the pickleball thing. I don't get it
bad Mitton's where it's at and cornhole.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And that's that.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I feel like pickleball takes me back to a time
where corporal punishment was a part of schools and you
either had the paddle with the holes in it, or
you had the paddle that looked like a pickleball paddle,
and that thing was not going off of a pickleball.
It was going off of a stutent ass yep done.
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I hate pickleball and I just need to get that
off my chest. I apologize we accomplished something here. I
feel better now.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, listen, I don't get it. I've said badminton and
cornhole are the way to go. If you're playing pickleball,
you're trying way too hard to be an athlete. Just
acknowledge what you are, a non athlete playing on a
tiny little court that was built for jockeys at the
Belmont Steak And you're out there trying to trying to,
you know, hit like a softball, and.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
For what what? What type of what type of enjoyment?
What type of pleasure do you get out of pickleball?
You scored a point, you won the pickleball game, What
type of pleasure do you get? I just don't understand.
I don't understand Lee sitting back there. You're a pickleball er,
aren't you? Guaranteed? No?
Speaker 5 (08:18):
But I am a There is a pickleball court being
installed in the park near me.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I was it's being installed, Yeah, okay, built?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Like how big is a pickle ball court? Is it?
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Like?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Like?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
What is it? Like a beach towel size?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
You just like four people stand on a beach towel
and hit a ball around over a fake net?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Doesn't seem too big.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
I'd say maybe half the size of the regular tennis court,
like of the lines of the tennis court.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I just think badmitting so much more fun.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Man, is there a reason that they give a reason
why they're installing that pickleball dial in the court.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
It's taking over where the horseshoes were. Nobody was playing horseshoes.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Wait, they're getting rid of horseshoes for pickleball.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Hey man, pickleball's blowing up.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
It's I mean all the way. It's like it's a craze.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
There's like there was like a whole aisle of equipment
at Walmart. I saw the other day of pickleball equipment.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Oh I saw it at the supermarket, Yes to, in
the discount aisle in the supermarket. They had a bunch
of pickleball stuff that wasn't getting sold Like that out
to tell you it's on the decline, telling you that
right now they're going to disrespect horseshoes for pickleball. That's disgusting. Well,
you run the hoa over there. You're the whole constrictor lead.
Can't you make a couple of calls and get the
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horseshoe pit back up?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (09:36):
That's a good idea.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, come on, Lee, why don't you use your power
a little bit here? Like, what are you sitting in
those meetings for the flask? You need to make some
calls and get horseshoes back in and bad nanton Rather,
I'm turning into a long jump pit.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah right, Like just turn the horseshoes the horseshoes saying
and put like a little runway there, y'all just go running.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Jump into the side.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
You want to know why do we lose the metal
county the Olympics Every year We're playing pickleball while everybody
else is doing long.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Jump unbelievable pickleball. I am so overhearing about pickleball. It's
just the name is revolting in itself. Pickleball. Stupid. It's
so irritating, stupid pickleball. If you play pickleball, you need
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to take a good, long, hard look in the mirror
and ask yourself why do I play pickleball? If you
have a friend that plays pickleball, you need to ask
your friend, are you okay?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Do you need a hug? Do you want to talk?
Is there anything that I can do? Because why, out
of all things that have been made available to you
in life. You chose pickleball.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Plus it's a goofy name, Like you just lose respect
for it right off the jump. What are you doing pickleball?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
It's like it's like you hear pickleball, it just makes
you like want to slap somebody or something like slap
yourself like pickleball.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, like like like pick a difference? What does that
even mean? Like cucumber ball would sound better? What does
that even mean?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Lee?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
What's the order pickleball even mean? Was pomegranate taken? So
they went pickle Lee? What's the origin of the of
the name?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
I had looked this up once. I'll find it out again.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
So stupid, Yeah, that's pretty goofy.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
But Kevin Durant and Dwayne Wade and other celebrities they
love pickleball, So what.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I could care less about them loving pickleball?
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Pickle was the name of their dog. Of the two
guys who created the game, there you go, Well, there
you go.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
So we're this is sweeping the nation a game named
after somebody's.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Dog named Pickle. Come here, Pickle.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Contradictory contradicting stories between the two guys who created it
mister Pritchard, the Pritchard family and the Collums family, and uh,
one says it was about a boat, and one says
it was about a dog.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
That's a dog's about either way, dog, sister, brother, I
don't care if your cousin's nickname was pickle is dumb.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Yeah, this so basically everybody, everybody's taking the bait over
two guys. They can't decide whether or not they named
a game the most popular game of the country now
after a dog or a boat. That's what this, that's
what we've turned into. Meanwhile, badminton you grab a couple
of light rackets, you grab a shuttlecock, and you go
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hit it over a net in a park and you're
off and running.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Rather, I'd rather play a game called get a shovel
and dig a hole. That's more entertaining to me. Shovel
a hole. Hey, let's do that corpse ball that yeah,
so we can put pickleball inside of it.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Put dirt on our courts are six feet man, then
we'll do that. We'll come on with.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
That.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I'd rather do manual labor build a house ball. What
does that entail building a house?
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah? Pickleball come on man, show me a highlight film
of pickleball, like this is this is the way you
play pickleball?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Like what?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Look at the athleticism on display. I want to hear
somebody do the color call of a pickleball match. Yeah,
I just had to get that off my chest.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I'm glad you did. I'll tell you what pickleball glad?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Fuck.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I've never understood. It doesn't make any sense to me either,
you know. But by the way, if you do listen
to the show and you play pickleball, we recommend listening
to the show while you play pickleball.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That'll improve your experience. So we appreciate.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Anything will improve your experience if you're a pickleballer.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
It's two pros and a cup of Joe. Here on
Fox Sports Radio, it's LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you,
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coming up next year, we are going to have ourselves
a conversation about some expectations in the NFL, some major
expectations in the NFL that appear to be going way
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over the top, and we'll get into the details on
that for you right here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (14:51):
This song stinks so bad, man, it's amazing. It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
It's two pros and a couple, but Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Jonas Yeah, let it breathe.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
That all cop Hey, come on, Mark.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Holyoke, Yeah, let it breathe a little bit, like we
got at least fifty sixty more seconds for there's a problem.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Like old auto tune Cooper here.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Stop yeah, stop. That was very hateful, very that was
very hateful. I want to hear you say that about
the next verse. Huh is that auto tune?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Oh, lady Gaga, is this is this auto two?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Oh? Okay.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
By the way, what's the name of this song for
those of you listening on the podcasts? Shallows? Yeah, the
shallows is the shadow? Yeah, I don't know, the shallow shallow?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah? This is off? What set? Was it? The Stars born?
Stars Born? There you go?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
There were I saw it in the theater. There were
people crying in the theater. I mean it's a crowable movie.
It's like, dude, I mean, I'm not a cryer. Guys
get all the time. Guy's gonna do that in front
of his dog?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, that's kind of messed up. Yeah, well he didn't
do it in front of the dog.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
He let he locked the dog out, he closed, he
closed the garage and left the dog outs up.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
That's kind of messed up, too. A big old' steak,
too sweet. He'd like another one. Geez, hey, buddy, when
you're done up there, can I get another? Rabbi?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
It's just called shallow by the way. It has a
note the or in or you know, it's just shallow.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
All right?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah, well yeah shallow from a stars boy that was there.
You got the music request here it is two pros
and a cup of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio,
Tavar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you. All right, So we're
gonna have another edition of would you Rather coming up
here in about twenty minutes from now from the tire
rack dot Com Studios. That is a Tuesday tradition. But
let's talk about somebody who's expectations or maybe a little
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bit out of whack because Julian Edelman, he is a
great career, but a guy who's injuries started to mount
up an undersized player and dealt with the injuries. He
was a Super Bowl MVP, he was fantastic, won a
couple of titles. I don't know if he's in the
Patriots Ring of Honor. I'm assuming he'll go on eventually
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at some point. One of the great Patriots of the
last decade plus that we've seen. And he was recently
on The No Chill with Gilbert Arena's podcast, and I
don't know where he gets off thinking he can call
out the NFL, Like what kind of expectations does he
have for the league, thinking they're going to all of
a sudden do what's right for player safety and everything
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else that comes with it. Because he did have himself
a discussion with Gilbert Arenas about why the NFL continues
to not use natural grass at every venue they play
on Let's listen to Edelman.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
We talk about players' safety, but we don't have mandatory grass,
which is absolutely you know, guys, guys are tearing their
the ankles, knees, non contact, all the time because of
these turfs, and you know, we we haven't changed that.
It's crazy, you know, like we are stadiums whenever there's
an international soccer game, and if you have a turf stadium,
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they'll bring in grass for the international teams to play
because they have a rule for their players that they
have to play on grass. But we can't do it
for our league U and our you know, our investment players.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
It's money.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
I mean, you put a turf field in that's a
million five for the year. You know, you have grass,
you gotta water it, you got to up keep it,
you got to redo it. There's a lot of maintenance.
You have to have a field crew that's always on it.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Like there's a.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Lot more money.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
I mean, it's really pennies when it comes to what
they're actually making. And you would think that the league
would want to, you know, protect their investment in the player.
You know, the horses that race and the horse you
gotta got to take care of the horse. I tore
my a cl on a turf and Detroit, which you
know was absolutely ridiculous. And then you know, broke my
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foot on a turf field in New York, Like I
mean this is a multi billion dollar corporation. We can't
get a grass.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
That was Julian Edelman on the note Chill with Gilbererina's podcast,
talking about the issue in the NFL. It is kind
of wild that a league with this much money, this
is the one that everyone keeps asking for, and they're like, yeah, yeah,
we hear you, but you know, and they kind of
change the conversation kind of wild.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, you know, it's it's becoming a much larger conversation
and it's kind of going away from the top and
in football it's now focusing in on the bottom. And
it's interesting because you were almost sold a bill of
goods that that turf fhild turf was actually good. It
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was a good thing because it's like grass. It has
like grass like tips, It had the you know, like
the flubber that that made it tire pieces right yeah, where.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
It broke your fall.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Like that's what you were being sold because if you
think about it, the original was astro turf, so that's
a very different surface than like field turf and artificial turf,
and astro turf was basically carpet laid down on concrete basically,
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and we've played like football players played on those surfaces,
like there have been different surfaces. You know, baseball fields,
so dual purpose fields where you play baseball and you
play football on those fields, and sometimes even soccer. Right,
So there's there's always the conversation of how do you
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maintain a field that has to be a baseball field,
then it's a football field, then it's a soccer field.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
So I get.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I think we were sold that that artificial artificial field
turf was actually safe. And now you know, the studies
are coming out. Obviously I do the reads for Pennington.
Now all of these different sources are coming out and
they're saying they're showing that what the percentages of injuries
are and what's taking place, and you have a few
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guys that have been impacted by it. I mean, I
blew my achilles tended out on on artificial turf?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Was that at MetLife? No? No, that was in Dallas.
That was in Dallas. That was in Dallas.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
You did that, Yeah, And that was Texas Stadium and
so that was the old Texas Stadium.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yes, that was astro turf.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
It wasn't astro turf, it was field turf. So they
had changed it in still popped your achilles.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, I mean, so the thing about it is, and
I know if Q was here, which by the way,
to all everybody out there, he will be coming back.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, he's taking a break. You need to take a
break anyway.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I know he would probably throw you know, cleats out
there as well, and I wouldn't disagree. I've had cleats
that I've worn where the bottoms broke off or the
entire you know. I've seen guys where the entire sole
came off of the shoe while you're playing in it.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So I think that it's not just.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
The field turf, the artificial field turf that's in my opinion,
to blame for injuries that are taking place with your
knees and with your ankles and stuff like that, and
your feet and your toes. It's also the technology of
the shoes that you're wearing as well. It's also the
way you move. It's on that too. Like a lot
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of times people don't even really know the mechanics of
how your body moves so you don't hurt yourself. And
I know that might sound kind of like lame or crazy,
but it's very true. It's interesting. I was I was
dealing with this like mechanics, biomechanics or whatever specialists and
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they hook all these electrodes up to you and they
show where all of the activity is taking place. My
activity all takes place in my lower back. And ironically
or coincidentally, I have a horrible lower back. I use
my lower back so much that it never really is
(23:38):
at true rest. And it's not like you're supposed to
be able to have a posture and a movement where
your chest is over your knee, your knee is over
your toe, and the distribution of energy is supposed to
be pretty balanced, and when you're making movements, it's shifting
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from you know, obviously the directions that you're trying to
go in, but sometimes you your body sometimes can't even
handle your body parts can't handle the amount of power
that you're you know, you're generating. So it's not always
about the natural the surface because and in a lot
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of cases, you'll see the same type of injuries take
place on grass fields too, like a c L injuries,
broken feet, broke broken ankles, like jacked up you know,
phi phibias and tibias. That was happening on grass fields too. Yeah,
I sprainked my m c L and sprain my ac
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U m c L sprained the l c L. I
sprained my l c L on on grass you know,
I've seen I've seen injuries take place on grass fields.
So I think there's a combination of those things. I
think maybe the bigger issue here that has to be
broad up, and I think Edelman touched on it is
(25:03):
if it is more, if there's if it's a safer
condition to be on a grass field, that's what makes
more sense, right, that's the discussion point really.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
And that's like, so you played on natural grass field, turf,
astro turf, like you played twenty plus years of football.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I mean it's a long time.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
If everybody is saying the same thing, Like I haven't
heard one player come out and say I prefer artificial turf.
I've not heard one player come out and say that.
It just the part that's crazy to me is in
no other job for us, in no other work environment,
would somebody cut corners on a piece that is a
foundational piece to your success. Like for example, my brother
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has a restaurant and he's been running the restaurant for
years and years. Shout out to us sunset terrace all right,
and he started doing he started doing a lot of
a lot of pizzas, and so like the pizzas were like,
especially during football season, and so he decided to invest
in a legitimate pizza oven. And those are expensive as hell,
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but he realized, man, it's gonna make the process so
much easier in time, hopefully we make our money back,
and we feel like we're going to. But it was
the right purchase because it was going to be better
for the success overall, and it was a foundational piece
of an item that we do almost every single day
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and especially during football season on the weekends.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
He wasn't gonna cut corners.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Like he realized, Yes, there's money involved, but this is
important for what we do. The NFL realizes, yeah, look,
you know we can't have a game unless we got
a field, and we know it's safer and we know
nobody likes the alternative. Yeah, but no, we're still gonna
do it this way and just hopefully you guys can
figure this.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Out on your own.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
It's like, what are we doing here? Like, you've got money.
I don't want to hear anything about money. You can
figure out a way to replace the sod or water
it better or whatever. It just it blows my mind
their ability to cut corners in places they shouldn't be
cutting corners just for quote unquote financial purposes. And also
(27:20):
shouldn't the NFLPA be all over this, Like shouldn't this
be part of the negotiating during the CBA, which is
already locked in for the next seven eight years.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Whatever it is?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Why didn't Why didn't the NFLPA put up a fight
when it came to this and listen to their players like, Hey,
we don't care about weed, we care about the field
we're playing on. Let's get this put together.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I don't have the answer for that. I mean, I'm
sure there's there. There are different ideas, different perspectives that's
around why the PA wouldn't have made this more of
a priority. And I'm not certain that the owners that
are making these decisions on these fields and the surfaces
(28:02):
of them are fully aware of or have been fully
aware educated on the I guess the the lack of
safety in terms of health for the players. I think
they felt like they were improving the playing surface. And
you think about like Pitt played on the same field
(28:24):
as the Steelers. They still play on the same field
as the Steelers, and there's a ton of high school
they play a ton of high school games on that field.
At a certain point in time during the year, not
all year, but at a certain point in time during
the year, when they get into the finals of the Whippials,
that field was like mud, like they're there there. There
(28:46):
have come point in times where you've seen fields turn
into gravy. Gravy's trains like gravy places they I mean,
there have been a couple of places where like playing
you playing Michigan, and because it goes so far down
below sea level, the turf, the turf would come like
(29:09):
the grass would just it was soft and it would
just give. It would come up like chunks of it
would just come up. You'd come up out of there
after a play and you'd have like big old hunks
of grass still in your shoe when you were getting
up off of the ground.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Remember when at Soldier Field back of the day, guys
would get tackled, they come up with a clod of.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Face mask and you had to taste that.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I just I think that there's a larger discussion again,
where is the happy medium, Because I don't think this
is all about cutting corners. I really don't. I think
it really has been. Actually it has been in favor
of trying to figure out how to make the playing
surface consistent and as as natural as it can get
(30:01):
without being natural, but being able to maintain, maintain what
the surface feels like and what it is, you know,
for the player, for the athlete, and so again, if
that's a conversation that players need to have with with
owners and groundskeepers and experts, then they should have that
(30:23):
conversation for certain because you're right, this is the lifeblood
of what you do, which is I mean he used
horses as an example. I mean, horses run on different surfaces,
you know, and they run on they run on dirt,
they run on grass. Apparently you've been running on saw
blades recently. I mean, for what it's worth, sometimes I'm
(30:49):
just saying, sometimes sometimes you gotta let I hate to
say this and this might sound a little bit crude
or type bit insensitive, Sometimes you gotta let nature take
its course. I mean, for what it's worth. You're playing
a full contact sport and injuries are going to take place. Now,
(31:12):
can you do certain things to try to lessen the
impact or lessen the injuries that take place, Certainly you can,
but injuries, no matter what the surface of that field
is going to be, are going to take place. Like
if Edelman's saying, well, my career would have been prolonged,
they would have been longer. Yeah, my career would have
been longer if we didn't practice so damn hard. My
(31:35):
career might have been longer if we didn't have to
do two a day's in three a days. So there's
always going to be something that you can complain about
and be like, oh, the safety aspect of it, the
quality of life aspect of it. But if that's what
the job requires, that's what the job requires. And I
just kind of look at it that way. I come
from a family where both my grandfathers were still mill workers,
(31:57):
Like they're working conditions were freaking crazy, insane, the working
conditions that they used to work in and had to
earn a wage, and they didn't come close to what
Julian Edelman was making as a pro football player. So
sometimes you got it like, yeah, you fight for the
rights of how it applies to what you're doing, but
(32:22):
you also got to look at the reality of it
is is when you're doing physical activity, and you're doing
it every day, and you're doing it over and over
and over and over again. It's not a matter of
if you're going to get injured or if you're going
to get hurt. It's a matter of win. Everybody gets hurt,
Everybody gets injured, and that's a part of the game.
(32:42):
Thank God for Pennington, right, well, thank God for Prolasak.
You know why, because when you're taught or do you
want to do Pennington, you want to do Pennington or
you want to do Pennington. I mean, if you want
to do Pennington, we could talk about again doubling down
on the fact that Julian Edelman said it that thirty
two percent more non kind tac knee injuries take place.
And that's why my people over at American Grass Sea
(33:04):
Company Pennington are in on that mission along with guys
like Julian Edelman, to ban turf fields. So if you
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to real grass.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yam right there you go.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
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Lead to lab. What do we got? All right?
Speaker 5 (35:30):
I blame a LeVar for this one.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Would you rather play huh nope?
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Pickleball, racketball, squash, beach tennis is when I blame you
for having. If you look at these all these up
beach tennis, paddle batman, badminton.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I'm going racketball badminton. Have you played racketball? I've never played. Absolutely.
I have pretty fun.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
It looks fun.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
You work up a good sweat less you're really good.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
If you're playing somebody who's really good, then it's not
as fun because they can serve it and they it's
it's too low for you to get to it.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Do people still play butts up? Remember butts up?
Speaker 4 (36:07):
As a kid or you would You would stand against
a wall and you would have to throw the ball
to see if you could hit somebody.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
And I forget, like forget, like what the rule ball?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
It was?
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Ball?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, Like you throw the ball off the wall, you
got to catch it and you can't juggle it. If
you juggle it, you got to.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
You gotta turn around and you get you get swimmay.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, the way we played it, you had to drop
the ball and run. But there'd be like three or
four balls in play. Yeah, it was almost guaranteed that
you were going to get hit.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
That was fun. Man, that was pretty has the.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Hard ball, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
That's pretty that was pretty fun. All Right? What else
we got lead, guys?
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Obviously we have the Nuggets parade coming up, possibly Yokic
skipping it. Would you rather go to that parade? Or
say the Golden Knights when the Stanley Cup Final Nights
gold Knights, but there's no team, there's you can just
go to Vegas. You just go to Vegas or you
go to Denver?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Oh you mean? Oh you mean?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
So as a player, would you rather would you rather
go to like like, what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Do you mean go to Denver or go to Vegas?
As a fan?
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Would you rather see the Nuggets parade or the Golden
Knights parade?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Mine, Golden Knights, Golden Knights, Old Knights.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I'm gonna say Denver just because it's their first one
and I think that they're going to be pretty exciting,
pretty jazzed up about it. I'd like to see that
because I mean, you're you're always seeing spectacles in Vegas anyway,
so so like it's like, oh, what's going on here?
Oh oh, it's a parade. Oh, somebody won the championship.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Okay, And by the way, Denver is a great which
this would be the Golden Knights ra first.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
This would be the gold Knights first Stanley Cup as well. Yeah, yeah,
so there you have that.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
But I mean Vegas has never had other than the Aces.
It's just Vegas haven't had Yeah, there's no.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
It's Vegas, which means that it's it's just always something
going on in Vegas.
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Just walking around broad daylight with a beer in your hand.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Still, what a world, man, What a good time. One
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guitar strap.
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It's like the Eiffel Tower and you got a guitar
strap on it. You're just walking around, just zipping and
ripping on the strip. That's good living right there in Vegas.
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Ciar was there. S Era her too, wearing a cowboy hat.
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You're saying she's wearing a cowboy hat?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Can I vent for two seconds, totally off subject.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I need to vent.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, y'all need to cut it out with this pickleball mess.
I'm so over it. I'm so overhearing about pickleball. I'm
so over this pickleball craze. I don't understand it. Like
it sounds horribly bored, It looks painfully boring. It looks
(03:04):
like four lazy people being lazy playing ping pong on
a mini tennis court. I'm over the pickleball craze. Please stop.
If you want to be outside, stick to the traditional stuff.
If you don't want it to be fast where you
(03:25):
have to run around all crazy, that's why they created badminton.
You hit it, it goes up unless you're like in
like the pros, You're not getting it like spiked down
on you where you got to like get deep and
try to dig it out of the ground and run
around for it, like it's just simple.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
So you prefer badminton over pickleball, right, Yes, it's like
not even close. It's one hundred percent better, like not
even and it isn't even close. And anybody that wants
to argue for pickleball, you're an idiot.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Much better.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I just needed to get this off of my chest
because I just feel though somebody like I feel like
in our culture, we do things like Watch, we're going
to do this and we're going to turn it into
a crazy Watch how easily swayed people are. We're going
to create a game called pickleball, and I bet you
we'll have everybody doing it. Watch, let's do it. Let's
(04:19):
get a few big names to do it. Those big
names do it, and then everybody else is going to
do it. Stop a flipp and hate pickleball. I despise pickleball.
I hate the name, I hate the way it appears,
I hate the way it looks, I hate the way
people look playing it. I absolutely despise pickleball.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, it's not even especially with the summer coming up.
I mean it's not even even close to being near
the top of the list as far as summer activities because.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Cornhole is one corn corn. I always say bad mittens too.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Listen, go try ten If you're gonna go on a
court with a with a racket, there's this thing called
tennis with a ball that bounces and you have like
the whole mesh racket, not the little hard racket. Yeah,
like try tennis, stick with tennis, or go badminton. But
(05:21):
this pickleball s it's like it's like dragging your fingers
down a chalkboard. It's it's it's air. It's irritating. I'm
with you, and I'm tired of hearing about it, and
I'm tired. Oh what are you doing today? Go and
go get some pickleball in what like go cliff diving
before you go pickleball and go go like go drink
(05:44):
some toilet water or something like that. You wanna try
something new, do something that's like really like worth doing
something new like pickleball? How has this become a craze?
Like people are buying pickleball teams and stuff like that
pickleball business.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's so dumb.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Why don't you and I bring back badminton because I
feel like badminton has been completely disrespected in this whole thing.
Like badminton's fun for everybody playing play table tennis? Yeah, Lee,
that's the only time it makes sense to have like
an opaque object where you're striking a ball and it goes.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Over the net? Do do do table tennis? Pickle ball? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Well, it's like Forrest Gump, like did you see Forrest
go take up pickleball.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
When in the movie this is a guy who was
completely made with tennis.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Yeah, like to take his mind off you go to
the Olympics, ye table tennis, to take his mind off
the fact that the woman he loved was was you know,
was the human doorknob. Everybody's getting a turn, he said
to him. He took up ping pong. He didn't take
up pickleball.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It was ping pong.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
She might have taken up pickleball, and it might have
been a different game back then, but the point is difference.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I'm with you. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I don't get the pickleball thing. I don't get it
bad Mitton's where it's at and cornhole.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And that's that.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I feel like pickleball takes me back to a time
where corporal punishment was a part of schools and you
either had the paddle with the holes in it, or
you had the paddle that looked like a pickleball paddle,
and that thing was not going off of a pickleball.
It was going off of a stutent ass yep done.
(07:30):
I hate pickleball and I just need to get that
off my chest. I apologize we accomplished something here. I
feel better now.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, listen, I don't get it. I've said badminton and
cornhole are the way to go. If you're playing pickleball,
you're trying way too hard to be an athlete. Just
acknowledge what you are, a non athlete playing on a
tiny little court that was built for jockeys at the
Belmont Steak And you're out there trying to trying to,
you know, hit like a softball, and.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
For what what? What type of what type of enjoyment?
What type of pleasure do you get out of pickleball?
You scored a point, you won the pickleball game, What
type of pleasure do you get? I just don't understand.
I don't understand Lee sitting back there. You're a pickleball er,
aren't you? Guaranteed? No?
Speaker 5 (08:18):
But I am a There is a pickleball court being
installed in the park near me.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I was it's being installed, Yeah, okay, built?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Like how big is a pickle ball court? Is it?
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Like?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Like?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
What is it? Like a beach towel size?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
You just like four people stand on a beach towel
and hit a ball around over a fake net?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Doesn't seem too big.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
I'd say maybe half the size of the regular tennis court,
like of the lines of the tennis court.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I just think badmitting so much more fun.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Man, is there a reason that they give a reason
why they're installing that pickleball dial in the court.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
It's taking over where the horseshoes were. Nobody was playing horseshoes.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Wait, they're getting rid of horseshoes for pickleball.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Hey man, pickleball's blowing up.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
It's I mean all the way. It's like it's a craze.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
There's like there was like a whole aisle of equipment
at Walmart. I saw the other day of pickleball equipment.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Oh I saw it at the supermarket, Yes to, in
the discount aisle in the supermarket. They had a bunch
of pickleball stuff that wasn't getting sold Like that out
to tell you it's on the decline, telling you that
right now they're going to disrespect horseshoes for pickleball. That's disgusting. Well,
you run the hoa over there. You're the whole constrictor lead.
Can't you make a couple of calls and get the
(09:33):
horseshoe pit back up?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (09:36):
That's a good idea.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, come on, Lee, why don't you use your power
a little bit here? Like, what are you sitting in
those meetings for the flask? You need to make some
calls and get horseshoes back in and bad nanton Rather,
I'm turning into a long jump pit.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah right, Like just turn the horseshoes the horseshoes saying
and put like a little runway there, y'all just go running.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Jump into the side.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
You want to know why do we lose the metal
county the Olympics Every year We're playing pickleball while everybody
else is doing long.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Jump unbelievable pickleball. I am so overhearing about pickleball. It's
just the name is revolting in itself. Pickleball. Stupid. It's
so irritating, stupid pickleball. If you play pickleball, you need
(10:27):
to take a good, long, hard look in the mirror
and ask yourself why do I play pickleball? If you
have a friend that plays pickleball, you need to ask
your friend, are you okay?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Do you need a hug? Do you want to talk?
Is there anything that I can do? Because why, out
of all things that have been made available to you
in life. You chose pickleball.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Plus it's a goofy name, Like you just lose respect
for it right off the jump. What are you doing pickleball?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
It's like it's like you hear pickleball, it just makes
you like want to slap somebody or something like slap
yourself like pickleball.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, like like like pick a difference? What does that
even mean? Like cucumber ball would sound better? What does
that even mean?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Lee?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
What's the order pickleball even mean? Was pomegranate taken? So
they went pickle Lee? What's the origin of the of
the name?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
I had looked this up once. I'll find it out again.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
So stupid, Yeah, that's pretty goofy.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
But Kevin Durant and Dwayne Wade and other celebrities they
love pickleball, So what.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I could care less about them loving pickleball?
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Pickle was the name of their dog. Of the two
guys who created the game, there you go, Well, there
you go.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
So we're this is sweeping the nation a game named
after somebody's.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Dog named Pickle. Come here, Pickle.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Contradictory contradicting stories between the two guys who created it
mister Pritchard, the Pritchard family and the Collums family, and uh,
one says it was about a boat, and one says
it was about a dog.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
That's a dog's about either way, dog, sister, brother, I
don't care if your cousin's nickname was pickle is dumb.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Yeah, this so basically everybody, everybody's taking the bait over
two guys. They can't decide whether or not they named
a game the most popular game of the country now
after a dog or a boat. That's what this, that's
what we've turned into. Meanwhile, badminton you grab a couple
of light rackets, you grab a shuttlecock, and you go
(12:47):
hit it over a net in a park and you're
off and running.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Rather, I'd rather play a game called get a shovel
and dig a hole. That's more entertaining to me. Shovel
a hole. Hey, let's do that corpse ball that yeah,
so we can put pickleball inside of it.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Put dirt on our courts are six feet man, then
we'll do that. We'll come on with.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
That.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I'd rather do manual labor build a house ball. What
does that entail building a house?
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah? Pickleball come on man, show me a highlight film
of pickleball, like this is this is the way you
play pickleball?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Like what?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Look at the athleticism on display. I want to hear
somebody do the color call of a pickleball match. Yeah,
I just had to get that off my chest.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I'm glad you did. I'll tell you what pickleball glad?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Fuck.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I've never understood. It doesn't make any sense to me either,
you know. But by the way, if you do listen
to the show and you play pickleball, we recommend listening
to the show while you play pickleball.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That'll improve your experience. So we appreciate.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Anything will improve your experience if you're a pickleballer.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
It's two pros and a cup of Joe. Here on
Fox Sports Radio, it's LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you,
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expectations in the NFL that appear to be going way
(14:30):
over the top, and we'll get into the details on
that for you right here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
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Speaker 2 (14:51):
This song stinks so bad, man, it's amazing. It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
It's two pros and a couple, but Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Jonas Yeah, let it breathe.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
That all cop Hey, come on, Mark.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Holyoke, Yeah, let it breathe a little bit, like we
got at least fifty sixty more seconds for there's a problem.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Like old auto tune Cooper here.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Stop yeah, stop. That was very hateful, very that was
very hateful. I want to hear you say that about
the next verse. Huh is that auto tune?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Oh, lady Gaga, is this is this auto two?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Oh? Okay.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
By the way, what's the name of this song for
those of you listening on the podcasts? Shallows? Yeah, the
shallows is the shadow? Yeah, I don't know, the shallow shallow?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah? This is off? What set? Was it? The Stars born?
Stars Born? There you go?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
There were I saw it in the theater. There were
people crying in the theater. I mean it's a crowable movie.
It's like, dude, I mean, I'm not a cryer. Guys
get all the time. Guy's gonna do that in front
of his dog?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, that's kind of messed up. Yeah, well he didn't
do it in front of the dog.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
He let he locked the dog out, he closed, he
closed the garage and left the dog outs up.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
That's kind of messed up, too. A big old' steak,
too sweet. He'd like another one. Geez, hey, buddy, when
you're done up there, can I get another? Rabbi?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
It's just called shallow by the way. It has a
note the or in or you know, it's just shallow.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
All right?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah, well yeah shallow from a stars boy that was there.
You got the music request here it is two pros
and a cup of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio,
Tavar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you. All right, So we're
gonna have another edition of would you Rather coming up
here in about twenty minutes from now from the tire
rack dot Com Studios. That is a Tuesday tradition. But
let's talk about somebody who's expectations or maybe a little
(16:55):
bit out of whack because Julian Edelman, he is a
great career, but a guy who's injuries started to mount
up an undersized player and dealt with the injuries. He
was a Super Bowl MVP, he was fantastic, won a
couple of titles. I don't know if he's in the
Patriots Ring of Honor. I'm assuming he'll go on eventually
(17:15):
at some point. One of the great Patriots of the
last decade plus that we've seen. And he was recently
on The No Chill with Gilbert Arena's podcast, and I
don't know where he gets off thinking he can call
out the NFL, Like what kind of expectations does he
have for the league, thinking they're going to all of
a sudden do what's right for player safety and everything
(17:37):
else that comes with it. Because he did have himself
a discussion with Gilbert Arenas about why the NFL continues
to not use natural grass at every venue they play
on Let's listen to Edelman.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
We talk about players' safety, but we don't have mandatory grass,
which is absolutely you know, guys, guys are tearing their
the ankles, knees, non contact, all the time because of
these turfs, and you know, we we haven't changed that.
It's crazy, you know, like we are stadiums whenever there's
an international soccer game, and if you have a turf stadium,
(18:13):
they'll bring in grass for the international teams to play
because they have a rule for their players that they
have to play on grass. But we can't do it
for our league U and our you know, our investment players.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
It's money.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
I mean, you put a turf field in that's a
million five for the year. You know, you have grass,
you gotta water it, you got to up keep it,
you got to redo it. There's a lot of maintenance.
You have to have a field crew that's always on it.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Like there's a.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Lot more money.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
I mean, it's really pennies when it comes to what
they're actually making. And you would think that the league
would want to, you know, protect their investment in the player.
You know, the horses that race and the horse you
gotta got to take care of the horse. I tore
my a cl on a turf and Detroit, which you
know was absolutely ridiculous. And then you know, broke my
(19:06):
foot on a turf field in New York, Like I
mean this is a multi billion dollar corporation. We can't
get a grass.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
That was Julian Edelman on the note Chill with Gilbererina's podcast,
talking about the issue in the NFL. It is kind
of wild that a league with this much money, this
is the one that everyone keeps asking for, and they're like, yeah, yeah,
we hear you, but you know, and they kind of
change the conversation kind of wild.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, you know, it's it's becoming a much larger conversation
and it's kind of going away from the top and
in football it's now focusing in on the bottom. And
it's interesting because you were almost sold a bill of
goods that that turf fhild turf was actually good. It
(20:02):
was a good thing because it's like grass. It has
like grass like tips, It had the you know, like
the flubber that that made it tire pieces right yeah, where.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
It broke your fall.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Like that's what you were being sold because if you
think about it, the original was astro turf, so that's
a very different surface than like field turf and artificial turf,
and astro turf was basically carpet laid down on concrete basically,
(20:40):
and we've played like football players played on those surfaces,
like there have been different surfaces. You know, baseball fields,
so dual purpose fields where you play baseball and you
play football on those fields, and sometimes even soccer. Right,
So there's there's always the conversation of how do you
(21:02):
maintain a field that has to be a baseball field,
then it's a football field, then it's a soccer field.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
So I get.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I think we were sold that that artificial artificial field
turf was actually safe. And now you know, the studies
are coming out. Obviously I do the reads for Pennington.
Now all of these different sources are coming out and
they're saying they're showing that what the percentages of injuries
are and what's taking place, and you have a few
(21:33):
guys that have been impacted by it. I mean, I
blew my achilles tended out on on artificial turf?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Was that at MetLife? No? No, that was in Dallas.
That was in Dallas. That was in Dallas.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
You did that, Yeah, And that was Texas Stadium and
so that was the old Texas Stadium.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yes, that was astro turf.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
It wasn't astro turf, it was field turf. So they
had changed it in still popped your achilles.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, I mean, so the thing about it is, and
I know if Q was here, which by the way,
to all everybody out there, he will be coming back.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, he's taking a break. You need to take a
break anyway.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I know he would probably throw you know, cleats out
there as well, and I wouldn't disagree. I've had cleats
that I've worn where the bottoms broke off or the
entire you know. I've seen guys where the entire sole
came off of the shoe while you're playing in it.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So I think that it's not just.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
The field turf, the artificial field turf that's in my opinion,
to blame for injuries that are taking place with your
knees and with your ankles and stuff like that, and
your feet and your toes. It's also the technology of
the shoes that you're wearing as well. It's also the
way you move. It's on that too. Like a lot
(22:54):
of times people don't even really know the mechanics of
how your body moves so you don't hurt yourself. And
I know that might sound kind of like lame or crazy,
but it's very true. It's interesting. I was I was
dealing with this like mechanics, biomechanics or whatever specialists and
(23:16):
they hook all these electrodes up to you and they
show where all of the activity is taking place. My
activity all takes place in my lower back. And ironically
or coincidentally, I have a horrible lower back. I use
my lower back so much that it never really is
(23:38):
at true rest. And it's not like you're supposed to
be able to have a posture and a movement where
your chest is over your knee, your knee is over
your toe, and the distribution of energy is supposed to
be pretty balanced, and when you're making movements, it's shifting
(23:59):
from you know, obviously the directions that you're trying to
go in, but sometimes you your body sometimes can't even
handle your body parts can't handle the amount of power
that you're you know, you're generating. So it's not always
about the natural the surface because and in a lot
(24:20):
of cases, you'll see the same type of injuries take
place on grass fields too, like a c L injuries,
broken feet, broke broken ankles, like jacked up you know,
phi phibias and tibias. That was happening on grass fields too. Yeah,
I sprainked my m c L and sprain my ac
(24:41):
U m c L sprained the l c L. I
sprained my l c L on on grass you know,
I've seen I've seen injuries take place on grass fields.
So I think there's a combination of those things. I
think maybe the bigger issue here that has to be
broad up, and I think Edelman touched on it is
(25:03):
if it is more, if there's if it's a safer
condition to be on a grass field, that's what makes
more sense, right, that's the discussion point really.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
And that's like, so you played on natural grass field, turf,
astro turf, like you played twenty plus years of football.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I mean it's a long time.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
If everybody is saying the same thing, Like I haven't
heard one player come out and say I prefer artificial turf.
I've not heard one player come out and say that.
It just the part that's crazy to me is in
no other job for us, in no other work environment,
would somebody cut corners on a piece that is a
foundational piece to your success. Like for example, my brother
(25:51):
has a restaurant and he's been running the restaurant for
years and years. Shout out to us sunset terrace all right,
and he started doing he started doing a lot of
a lot of pizzas, and so like the pizzas were like,
especially during football season, and so he decided to invest
in a legitimate pizza oven. And those are expensive as hell,
(26:14):
but he realized, man, it's gonna make the process so
much easier in time, hopefully we make our money back,
and we feel like we're going to. But it was
the right purchase because it was going to be better
for the success overall, and it was a foundational piece
of an item that we do almost every single day
(26:34):
and especially during football season on the weekends.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
He wasn't gonna cut corners.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Like he realized, Yes, there's money involved, but this is
important for what we do. The NFL realizes, yeah, look,
you know we can't have a game unless we got
a field, and we know it's safer and we know
nobody likes the alternative. Yeah, but no, we're still gonna
do it this way and just hopefully you guys can
figure this.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Out on your own.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
It's like, what are we doing here? Like, you've got money.
I don't want to hear anything about money. You can
figure out a way to replace the sod or water
it better or whatever. It just it blows my mind
their ability to cut corners in places they shouldn't be
cutting corners just for quote unquote financial purposes. And also
(27:20):
shouldn't the NFLPA be all over this, Like shouldn't this
be part of the negotiating during the CBA, which is
already locked in for the next seven eight years.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Whatever it is?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Why didn't Why didn't the NFLPA put up a fight
when it came to this and listen to their players like, Hey,
we don't care about weed, we care about the field
we're playing on. Let's get this put together.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I don't have the answer for that. I mean, I'm
sure there's there. There are different ideas, different perspectives that's
around why the PA wouldn't have made this more of
a priority. And I'm not certain that the owners that
are making these decisions on these fields and the surfaces
(28:02):
of them are fully aware of or have been fully
aware educated on the I guess the the lack of
safety in terms of health for the players. I think
they felt like they were improving the playing surface. And
you think about like Pitt played on the same field
(28:24):
as the Steelers. They still play on the same field
as the Steelers, and there's a ton of high school
they play a ton of high school games on that field.
At a certain point in time during the year, not
all year, but at a certain point in time during
the year, when they get into the finals of the Whippials,
that field was like mud, like they're there there. There
(28:46):
have come point in times where you've seen fields turn
into gravy. Gravy's trains like gravy places they I mean,
there have been a couple of places where like playing
you playing Michigan, and because it goes so far down
below sea level, the turf, the turf would come like
(29:09):
the grass would just it was soft and it would
just give. It would come up like chunks of it
would just come up. You'd come up out of there
after a play and you'd have like big old hunks
of grass still in your shoe when you were getting
up off of the ground.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Remember when at Soldier Field back of the day, guys
would get tackled, they come up with a clod of.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Face mask and you had to taste that.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I just I think that there's a larger discussion again,
where is the happy medium, Because I don't think this
is all about cutting corners. I really don't. I think
it really has been. Actually it has been in favor
of trying to figure out how to make the playing
surface consistent and as as natural as it can get
(30:01):
without being natural, but being able to maintain, maintain what
the surface feels like and what it is, you know,
for the player, for the athlete, and so again, if
that's a conversation that players need to have with with
owners and groundskeepers and experts, then they should have that
(30:23):
conversation for certain because you're right, this is the lifeblood
of what you do, which is I mean he used
horses as an example. I mean, horses run on different surfaces,
you know, and they run on they run on dirt,
they run on grass. Apparently you've been running on saw
blades recently. I mean, for what it's worth, sometimes I'm
(30:49):
just saying, sometimes sometimes you gotta let I hate to
say this and this might sound a little bit crude
or type bit insensitive, Sometimes you gotta let nature take
its course. I mean, for what it's worth. You're playing
a full contact sport and injuries are going to take place. Now,
(31:12):
can you do certain things to try to lessen the
impact or lessen the injuries that take place, Certainly you can,
but injuries, no matter what the surface of that field
is going to be, are going to take place. Like
if Edelman's saying, well, my career would have been prolonged,
they would have been longer. Yeah, my career would have
been longer if we didn't practice so damn hard. My
(31:35):
career might have been longer if we didn't have to
do two a day's in three a days. So there's
always going to be something that you can complain about
and be like, oh, the safety aspect of it, the
quality of life aspect of it. But if that's what
the job requires, that's what the job requires. And I
just kind of look at it that way. I come
from a family where both my grandfathers were still mill workers,
(31:57):
Like they're working conditions were freaking crazy, insane, the working
conditions that they used to work in and had to
earn a wage, and they didn't come close to what
Julian Edelman was making as a pro football player. So
sometimes you got it like, yeah, you fight for the
rights of how it applies to what you're doing, but
(32:22):
you also got to look at the reality of it
is is when you're doing physical activity, and you're doing
it every day, and you're doing it over and over
and over and over again. It's not a matter of
if you're going to get injured or if you're going
to get hurt. It's a matter of win. Everybody gets hurt,
Everybody gets injured, and that's a part of the game.
(32:42):
Thank God for Pennington, right, well, thank God for Prolasak.
You know why, because when you're taught or do you
want to do Pennington, you want to do Pennington or
you want to do Pennington. I mean, if you want
to do Pennington, we could talk about again doubling down
on the fact that Julian Edelman said it that thirty
two percent more non kind tac knee injuries take place.
And that's why my people over at American Grass Sea
(33:04):
Company Pennington are in on that mission along with guys
like Julian Edelman, to ban turf fields. So if you
like this segment and you're a proponent of turning the
fields back to natural grass, then go to hashtag flip
the turf. All right, it's flip the Turf movement. Go
to Pennington dot com slash flip the Turf now learn
(33:29):
more about it. Sign the petition, So don't just hate
on us or say, well, where's Brady to give us
the lowdown on it? Now, you do it yourself. Go
on Pennington dot com slash flip the Turf, learn more
about it, sign the petition, and join that team of
people that are on the hashtag flip the Turf movement
(33:49):
to real grass.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yam right there you go.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
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Speaker 2 (35:19):
Let's make a hiss to you and now, would.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Would you rather your random topics? Sports or otherwise? All right?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Lead to lab. What do we got? All right?
Speaker 5 (35:30):
I blame a LeVar for this one.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Would you rather play huh nope?
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Pickleball, racketball, squash, beach tennis is when I blame you
for having. If you look at these all these up
beach tennis, paddle batman, badminton.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I'm going racketball badminton. Have you played racketball? I've never played. Absolutely.
I have pretty fun.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
It looks fun.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
You work up a good sweat less you're really good.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
If you're playing somebody who's really good, then it's not
as fun because they can serve it and they it's
it's too low for you to get to it.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Do people still play butts up? Remember butts up?
Speaker 4 (36:07):
As a kid or you would You would stand against
a wall and you would have to throw the ball
to see if you could hit somebody.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
And I forget, like forget, like what the rule ball?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
It was?
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Ball?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, Like you throw the ball off the wall, you
got to catch it and you can't juggle it. If
you juggle it, you got to.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
You gotta turn around and you get you get swimmay.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, the way we played it, you had to drop
the ball and run. But there'd be like three or
four balls in play. Yeah, it was almost guaranteed that
you were going to get hit.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
That was fun. Man, that was pretty has the.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Hard ball, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
That's pretty that was pretty fun. All Right? What else
we got lead, guys?
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Obviously we have the Nuggets parade coming up, possibly Yokic
skipping it. Would you rather go to that parade? Or
say the Golden Knights when the Stanley Cup Final Nights
gold Knights, but there's no team, there's you can just
go to Vegas. You just go to Vegas or you
go to Denver?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Oh you mean? Oh you mean?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
So as a player, would you rather would you rather
go to like like, what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Do you mean go to Denver or go to Vegas?
As a fan?
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Would you rather see the Nuggets parade or the Golden
Knights parade?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Mine, Golden Knights, Golden Knights, Old Knights.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I'm gonna say Denver just because it's their first one
and I think that they're going to be pretty exciting,
pretty jazzed up about it. I'd like to see that
because I mean, you're you're always seeing spectacles in Vegas anyway,
so so like it's like, oh, what's going on here?
Oh oh, it's a parade. Oh, somebody won the championship.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Okay, And by the way, Denver is a great which
this would be the Golden Knights ra first.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
This would be the gold Knights first Stanley Cup as well. Yeah, yeah,
so there you have that.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
But I mean Vegas has never had other than the Aces.
It's just Vegas haven't had Yeah, there's no.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
It's Vegas, which means that it's it's just always something
going on in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
God.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Just walking around broad daylight with a beer in your hand.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Still, what a world, man, What a good time. One
of those tall dips. Yeah, that our alcohol. With the
guitar strap.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
It's like the Eiffel Tower and you got a guitar
strap on it. You're just walking around, just zipping and
ripping on the strip. That's good living right there in Vegas.
The guy with one leg he saw oh man.
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