June 30, 2023 • 38 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, suspensions are handed down in the NFL gambling scandal, quite possibly ending a number of careers, but could it have been worse? Miles Sanders is the latest running back to weigh in on the devaluing of the position. Cam Robinson gets popped for PED’s and LaVar talks about what it’s like to go against somebody on the juice.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with lamar As, Rady Win and Jonas Knox on
sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So, how those Vegas another a topless pool experience for you?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Yesterday there poll or what?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (00:20):
So I found out what it was and so it's
the adult pool. It's the twenty one and overpool. You
can gamble there and everything. They have blackjack tables and
everything set up at that pool. So that's what it is.
It's an adult pool. And apparently they allow you to
be an adult.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
So you had no idea when you walked in there.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
That it was not yesterday. But I mean not the
day before, not the first time I went over there.
That's the first time I've ever experienced anything like that.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I didn't know that adult pool means you can just
take articles of clothings. I mean just assume you know,
twenty one and over I get, but I didn't know
that was the thing.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
It was. It was just they were flying around everywhere.
What do you mean by they hammers? Yeah, hammers in
the city, jack hammers, sledge hammers, little hammers, little rock hammers,
like just hammers everywhere.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And then uh be a little pair of boxing gloves
for a necklace in some.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
Cases glove hammers. Yeah, some flapjacks, leather chaps hammers.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Damn well, listen, that seems like quite the sight. And look,
God blessed America is fourth July weekend, so this is
that seems.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Appropriate that things.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Are going the way they're going in Las Vegas. There
is some important news that I did want to pass along. Well,
two pieces of important news that we didn't want to
pass along. First and foremost, Happy birthday, LeVar Arrington.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Happy birthday.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah it's a big day.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Happy happy twenty fifth to LeVar Arrington, who is who's
celebrating nicely.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Appreciate that very much.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
You got it.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
That was my that's my first birthday message to you today.
So I didn't leave you one previously with any inappropriate
material on it, but clearly.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
You would have got suspended and you would still be
definitely suspended. Hat you messed this one up, right, That
is true, you know, as Brady Quinn found out so
quickly that you know, things can go bad when you
mess up a birthday.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh let's try to miss that. Yeah, Brady's still on
the show. I just want to make that clear for everybody.
That keeps asking, So Brady is still on the show.
So the first piece of news.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Wait, wait, so you're saying Brady Quinn is still on
the show.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yes, he's still on the show.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So for the umpteenth day in a row, we've announced
that that people seem to scare you fired.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
For some No, you can't do that, per fect. Then
everybody's going to think that, Yeah, that's gonna come. He's
not been fired, He's he's still He's still around.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
So that's so the first piece of news. Happy birthday,
lebar Arrington. Yes, thank you, second piece of second piece
of great.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
News here, Yes, okay, you bet your as.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Hammers.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It is a football Friday here on two pros and
a cup of Joe, as it always is, even when there's.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
No football to talk about.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
We actually do have football to talk about here because
we were some speculation is to so what are these
suspensions going to look like in the NFL when they
start handing out some of these, uh these suspensions for
players that you know, wanted to bet on some games
and all that. And we got our answers yesterday. Isaiah Rodgers.
He was the guy, the kick returner slash defensive back
for the Colts who was trying to supplement his income
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for them, you know, basically outlawing the kick off nowadays.
He was betting on Colts games. Apparently he's one of
the names obviously that we heard about. He got a
year long suspension, so did Rashad Barry, also of the Colts.
Demetrius Taylor, who's a free agent, he was also suspended indefinitely.
And then Titan's offensive tackle Nicholas petite Frere was also
(04:21):
suspended six games for betting on other sports in the workplace,
so not NFL games. But as we talked about yesterday,
you know, a clear difference between betting on NFL games
while you're inside the work facility and not betting on
NFL games. And I don't know if it were some
college football or what he was into, but those are
the suspensions handed out yesterday.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
But then and also it also means if you're betting
on NFL, you're most likely going to get a pink slip.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
If you're not, if you are not a marquee name.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Now, yeah, I am, I am curious as to what's
going to happen when it's a big name player that
gets caught up, like, are they gonna are they going
to release him?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Because it sounds as though if.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
That, if that happens and you get a pink slip
for bet betting on it, or you get a you
get a suspension for betting on the NFL, you're going
to get a pink slip from the team. And and
I would assume they're they're radioactive. So for what it's worth,
that they probably those bets may have effectively ended their
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careers in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, it's and look, are you ready for some reckless
speculation here?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yes, I think I think there.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Were bigger names that got popped, and I don't think
we'll ever hear what those names are.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
The NFL. The NFL doesn't want any sort of smoke
like that. Again, reckless speculation.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
But I don't think the NFL wants the type of
smoke where a marquee player is betting over unders on
some of these games or coin flip bets for the
Super Bowl or whatever it is. I don't think the
NFL wants any part of that. So let's go ahead,
let's get aggressive on this. Let's kind of announce a
bunch of suspensions all at once and say in a.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Sweeping motion, one sweeping motion.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
We've cleaned up the gambling problem in the league, but
much like other parts of sports in which guys get
popped for peds, in those sports, guys are still getting
PopEd for peds. I think there were bigger names involved
in this, and I don't think we'll ever hear what
those names are.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
What do you think of that?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I mean, it is reckless, but I don't think. I
don't think that it is inaccurate. You know, it's possible,
it is certainly possible, or it's just certainly possible. Maybe
just just make like Jonas, just maybe I'll start thinking
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to myself, it's like, Okay, we're sitting there talking about
the whole fall Guide deal.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
We're joking around.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Now you got to have a Chris Carter conversation, like,
have somebody else do it?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I would assume the lower cash making guys like these
names that were just read off, they probably don't make
enough where they would actually trust their money in somebody
else's in somebody else's hands, and so they just do
the bet on their own like they don't they don't
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have and maybe it isn't even a trusting Maybe it's
just like, I'm not even significant or relevant enough to
have to have somebody do it for me.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Nobody cares. Right now. If you're if you're.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Of stature and you're making millions, I would assume you
would have somebody placing bets for you. Yes, And I
think that, and I think that that's where the probably
the difference, the difference in all of this is taking place.
I think it is just so like you you've got
an issue of some sort, or.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
You're you're a weirdo if.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
You're even going anywhere near gambling as an active pro
pro football player. Like to me, that's that that has
not been stated, but it should be stated, like, don't come.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Up and got some technical difficulties. All right, So we've
lost LeVar Arrington, but we will effort to get him
back connected here.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Listen, look, these are just technical difficulties. Everybody.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Some people go through it, all right. You might run
into an issue with your engine on your way to work.
You might run into some problems too. We're not trying
to judge you. Maybe something in your cubicle falls apart
and you guys lose Wi FI while you're trying to
you know, put together you know something, some sort.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Of white light.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, there it is, there is.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I'm not all wi fi.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
I heard you the whole time, don't I don't know
why my microphone went out, but anyway, I just don't
think there should be any any type of excuse being
being tossed out there by any type of player as
it applies to gambling.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Well as far as NFL, don't do it. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Just don't do it, like right, exactly exactly, just don't
do it.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Because Albert Breer made the point yesterday if you if
you can't figure out that you're an NFL player and
you can't bet on NFL games at this point, then
you're an idiot.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Like it just yes, that's really what it is.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
There's here's the fascinating part about the Isaiah Rodgers story.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
This is really great, all right. So this is from ESPN.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
So you remember we talked about this when it initially
came out that they did some you know, digging on
Isaiah Rodgers and they found out he had placed like
one hundred different bets. One of them was like a
thousand dollars bet and there was so he was like
pretty active in comparison to guys like you know, maybe
Jamison Williams or Calvin Ridley, who were doing a couple
of bets here or there. But this according to ESPN,
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a source told ESPN that friends of Isaiah Rodgers who
were in Florida encouraged him to place many of the wagers,
the majority of which we're in the twenty five to
fifty dollars range. Legal sports betting was not available in
Florida this past football season. The largest wager place through
the account was a one thousand dollars prop bet on
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the over under on rushing yards by a Colts running back, which,
by the way, one now for me, the fact that
that bet hit, we should slash the suspension in half,
all right, So I'm thinking half a season because he
did win the bet, but the idea that he thought
it was appropriate to go ahead and gamble on one
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of his teammates, and how he performs in a game
because his buddies were giving him bad advice the entire time.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I don't know how you defend it. I really I
don't know how.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Different ways to support your team, man, I have a team, right,
you know, Pete Rose.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Pete Rose will never go into the hall of fame
because of the same stuff. Listen, I know that's that's
you know, all right, Reggie Bush, you get his highest
and trophy back whatever.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I just you know, rules are rules, that's the thing.
Rules are rules, and if you break the rules, then
you've broken the rules and you got to live with
the consequences of what you did. And I just think
that it's just very I think it's very very irresponsible
(11:25):
to be And I don't want to be like a
finger pointer. You know, we all none of us are
with without fault. But this is a very very you
can you can avoid this. You don't have to be
that guy. You don't have to be that person. Like
if gambling is that important to you, where you're going
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to risk it, risk it all for a thousand dollars bet,
then you you know, like nature took its course.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
And who is yeah, what you wanted?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Who is friends like that that are telling him, like,
hey man, place a few of these bets, just twenty
five or fifty dollars. Don't worry about it. It's not
that big of a deal. Like wait, what it's like
telling somebody, hey man, could you go rob that bank?
If it's under a hundred bucks. They're not going to
sweat you on it.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
It's like it's like if there was this forbidden fruit
on a tree and it was just like hanging on
the tree right and it was like, man, like, you
can have everything you want, you can eat anything you want,
you do anything you want, and all you got to
do is just stay away from that tree and don't
don't eat that that that fruit on that tree.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
You know, that's all right.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
And for some reason, it's like for some people when
you tell them don't do that, it automatically is like
it's like, you know, you remember when the judge was
tapping on the wall to try to get Roger Rabbit
to start singing. It's just for some strange reason, some
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people can't handle it.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
They can't handle it.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It's like it's why, you know, some women fall for
bad boys. They hear all the rumors. Don't go near him,
don't stay away from him. That's bad news. And for
some reason it just pulls you right in. Can't help it,
you know, And you would know, huh, yeah, well listen,
Gambling's the bad boy of the NFL. And apparently these
guys could resist.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
You have taken full advantage of that. There you go.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
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Speaker 2 (13:39):
We have been talking on this show though, about the
issue at running back in the NFL. Guys aren't getting paid,
Guys are trying to get paid. Saquon Barkley still hasn't
gotten his deal done with the Giants. Josh Jacobs reportedly
still at odds with the Raiders because he hasn't signed
his franchise tag either. Austin Eckler had an issue, Dalvin
(14:00):
b was released.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Like all these running.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Backs have popped up over the past, especially the past
couple of months, vocal being vocal about the deterioration and
the value of the position.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And you had.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Melvin Gordon, who was on with Jim Rome recently who
talked about it's literally the worst position to play in
the NFL right now. And the latest is Miles Sanders
who spoke with Rich Eisen about his issues with how
the running back position is being valued.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Let's take a Listen, it's nothing that we're doing wrong.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
We're doing everything that we have to do, you know,
as far as on the field and stuff like that.
And for people, and I think GMS or whatever owners
to think that running backs are not as valued as
much as it is a lie because you got to
see how everything plays out. You got to see guys
like like Christ McCaffey stuff. He does things that Takwon do,
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the things that Josh Jacobs do consistently each year. But
they want to do you want a franchise tag and
you know, create a certain guest market for running backs
because you have this way of thinking that they only
last three to four years. I think it's a bs Honestly,
there's a lot of Almost every running back of the
league is underpaid right now. I don't know what's going
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to take but I don't know, but that's a topic
that needs to be, you know, brought up a little
bit more because it's sucks to be a running back
right now, honestly.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
So that's Miles Sanders talking with Rich Eisen about the
position and just the issues for running backs and what
they face right now. And you and I have brought
this up before. What's the solution, like what do you do?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
The game is evolving and it's going to continue to evolve.
It's going to have more positions. Some positions become more important,
others less, Like it seems like tight ends are more
important than running backs, yep at this point. Yep ever
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said that ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
You know.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
So it's just the game is evolving and for what
it's worth it in context, historical context, it does suck
to be a running back, but in real time, at
least you have a skill set that still translates to
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you making money off of being one.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Because if you were a fullback.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
You don't even have You don't even really like I think,
And the only reason why I know they still use
a fullback in Detroit is because Jason could be Bend
is a fullback who was a linebacker at Pitton State.
That would be the only reason why I know they
use a fullback. But I mean it's not you don't
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even really have a opportunity to have a job. I mean,
you think about it. Sam Gash was critical to running
running games in Baltimore and Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Lorenzo O'Neil sam Gash might be one of great aims
of all time, Like.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
You do you realize he's the original eleven at Penn State?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Is he really he wore eleven?
Speaker 7 (17:15):
That?
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Yeah, he wore eleven at Penn State. And there's a
there's a bit of trivia for you. But but you know,
you had the Lorenzo o'nils, you had the Mike Allstots. Imagine,
imagine right now in this era of football, Mike Allstot,
a Sam Gash, a Lorenzo O'Neil coming out, Max Strong
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coming out and to the NFL, they wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Even have a job.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Kyle yust Check, they wouldn't even have a job.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
And to Kyle us Check is obviously with the forty
nine ers he has a job, but that's because Kyle
Shanahan has made him a focal part of the offense.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
But yeah, he's in the minority when it comes to that.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
It's just it's I mean, again, you can count probably
on one hand how many fullbacks are in the NFL
right now, and so when you think about the dynamics
of where offensive schemes are going, it's just it's just
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not It's not that the running backs isn't still important.
It's just that the running back is not the focal point, whereas.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
They used to be.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Running backs used to be the main focal point and
it was hand in hand. You can't have a prolific
passing attack without having a prolific running game, and vice,
you know, the other way around. You got to have
a prolific passing game to have a prolific running game.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
People will be like, well, how is that? Why is that?
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Well, you think about any prolific passing team with who
you want to bring up? You want to bring up
Airic Coriel, You want to bring up the greatest show
on turf? Do you want to bring up Peyton Manning?
Do you want to bring up Jim Roethlisberger? Do you
want to bring up Tom Brady? Whoever you want to
bring up that you think Aaron Rodgers, whoever you want
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to bring up, Brett Favre, whoever you want to bring up.
As a prolific passer and a passing attack of passing team,
they all had prolific running backs, every last one of them.
Every last one of them had prolific running backs. I mean,
Jerome Bettis is a Hall of Famer, Ben Roethlisberger had him,
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Kurt Warner had Marshall, Folk, Peyton, Manning had, Edgar and
James we're talking about We're talking about like you look
at Eli Manning and those two Super Bowls he had,
they had three running backs, three.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
That were the catalysts.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
They were the catalysts of what that offense was able
to create and why it opened things up for Plexico
and the other guys in the passing game.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
And and Plexico and those guys would admit it. They
would admit that.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
So when you think about where the running backs position
is now and how it's not being valued as much,
that that role still exists, that role still exists for
running backs. It's just not the focal point. You still
need to run the ball. Like having a Derek Henry matters.
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Having a Saquon Barkley matters, a Kamara, Alvin Kamara matters,
Having having a Miles Sanders matters, Having a McCaffrey matters.
It matters to have a tailback that can do, a
running back that can do what these guys do. They
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are very much a part of the fabric of an offense.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
They're just not the focal point.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, it's almost and you mentioned you know, the game
has evolved and it's like sometimes things are cyclical and
they'll go around, like you'll see like fashion nowadays, man
like baggy jeans are back, like you see.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Like there are some like I mean we're.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Talking like you know, young women that are dressing like
Gwen Stefani was dressing thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Like it just I mean it just like that.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
So that happens, like stuff is cyclical and it comes back,
and then there are other things that evolve to your point,
and they never really come back because people realize it's
too far down the road, Like you're not going to
see a landline anymore, you're not going to see anybody
use a page, or you're not because it's advanced at
that point. And it feels like and we broke down
the numbers last week.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
When's the last time you used a house phone in
your house?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I don't know. We don't have one. Yeah, literally don't
have one.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
We have them on the wall. We just just not
even I don't even think they're act.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
See I've thought about getting one, but it's got to
be the rotary, like the old rotary dial.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
That's nostalgia.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
There's something aboutter So my my sister in law and
my brother in law had a party for their their
one year old daughter and the theme of the party
was Toy Story and one of the toys that was
there was this little kid's rotary phone. And my wife
was looking at me, and everyone's looking at me like
a weirdo because I was playing with the rotary phone,
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dialing my old house number and I wouldn't let my
son play with it before.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Yeah, right, five eight one zero, very crazy of all
the things you remember, I still remember my yeah, like
I was first phone number.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
But I was playing with this this rotary phone because
it took me back to when I was a kid.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And people looking at me like what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
And I'm like, I don't know, i'n't seen one of
these in forever, but it was nostalgic, and I just wonder,
is the running back position going to get to the
point towards the rotary phone? And it's like, man, it's
really cool to talk about, but dude, nobody is getting
the love anymore from a financial standpoint or in the
realm of you know, what's considered elite playmakers in the NFL,
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Like tight ends to your.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Point, yeah, yeah, and just super quick, I know we
got a wrap. But I just think where we're at
right now, it's it's a running back like a McCaffrey
will be the only reason why the position stays relevant.
And like the Derrick Henry's and stuff like that, It's possible,
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it's possible, But I would think that like the Tyreek Hills,
the Alvin Kamara's, like the Tweener, like DeShawn Jackson, the Tweener,
receivers are going to replace running backs because you can
you can motion them, you can you have an extra
receiver on the field that you can put in space,
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put in motion. And then what's going to happen, and
this is going to get tricky. What's gonna happen is
linebackers aren't going to be necessarily needed for stopping the run.
So you'll start to see the linebacker position look different,
Like you won't see guys like me playing linebackers.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Guys like me will have.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
To either be able to cover and be able to
run with like a Santana Moss in space, or you're
gonna be on the on the line of scrimmage rushing
the passer, you know what I mean. So it's gonna
it's gonna not only shape what offenses look like. It's
gonna start to morph and evolve and shape what defenses
look like and how they have to prepare as well.
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You're gonna have to start putting, and it's already happening.
You're gonna have to start playing safeties at linebacker. That's
I mean, so you're gonna have to start playing basically
nickel and dime defenses. And that's going to replace a
base defense. You're not even gonna You're not even gonna
have a base defense. You're not gonna have like big, big, strong,
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thumping linebackers in there anymore, because they're gonna have to
be able to cover and be able to run in
space and do everything that safeties and secondary guys. So
it's going to be secondary versus receivers. Yeah, it's like
basically the NFL is going to turn into like seven
or seven.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's the wrong tape, wrong tape.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Just forget that. Look, listen to the Falling.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
Tony Pusko Show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts forherever
you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
So, I think the NFL had a strategic plan. They decided,
if we're going to do a bunch of suspensions, let's
just all knock it out in one hit right before
the fourth July weekend, and then everybody just kind of
goes on with their lives and get prepares for travel
and traffic and fireworks and hot dogs and booze and
all the other fun stuff that comes along with it.
(26:27):
On top of the gambling suspensions, LeVar cam Robinson of
the Jaguars, they announced his four game suspension for a
PD violation, And it is kind of funny how this
sort of just whatever PD, big deal, He's a starter.
It's like a pretty important part of a playoff team.
(26:48):
In any other sport, a PD violation would be looked
at as a significant event. In the NFL for some reason. Yeah, whatever,
he'll be back in four games.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
We're fine. What's that about. Why is the NFL looked
at differently?
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I just think because that is something that has always
been a part of football and a part of sports,
And so when you're talking about just I mean, there
was a time where it seemed like it was kind
of like it was legal, you know what I mean,
(27:24):
Like you saw the the La ale Zato's and those
type of guys that you know, most of these guys were.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
On peds glorified, you know.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
So to me, it's I mean just I think people
look like nobody's comfortable talking about smoking wheed, like that's
becoming something that's a little bit more acceptable because of
how society and lawmakers are relaxing their approach to it.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Right.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
But in general, you know, people will talk about peds
because there's there's such a great area in between performance
enhancing drugs that you pop hot for and or in
violation versus you know, peds that are legal, you know
that you're able to use. So I think it's just
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it's been more of a conversation for so long that
I think that people have actually gotten comfortable with even
if it's like okay, all right, they pop for pds,
like okay, Like if somebody can feel confident enough to say,
I pop for PDS because I was trying to have
a kid, I pop for peds because I was using
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a certain.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Type of shampoo.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Like I just think that people are more dissensitized to
it than than anything else.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Like gambling.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
This is new, it's new territory and it's new conversational points.
But but peds that that's an age old conversation.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, and it's like the other one recovering from injuries, which,
by the way, for people out there like that is
a real thing. Like there's a reason why Connor McGregor
still hasn't fought because he's recovering from a broken leg
and part of the and he he left the testing
pool and people are like, why would he leave the
testing pools? He done fighting, And the speculation is he
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left the testing pool because he's gonna get on the
gas because it helps you heal faster, and that's been
proven in a lot of cases. And so you know,
now he missed his windows.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Yes, like, look, you get back in better shape and
then you cycle yourself off.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah. The the UFC tried this out a few years ago.
They allowed fighters to use TRT testosterone replacement therapy, and
so all of a sudden, these fighters like v tour Belfort,
who was well advanced, you know, well you know, beyond
his prime, showed back up.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
And was shacked. He was full of gas.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I mean it was spilling out of his ears and
he was knocking people out. And then THEFC realized that,
you know, they talked with you know, the testing agencies
and realized, yeah, maybe this was not a great idea.
And then those guys came back and they shrunk. They
literally were a fraction of the size that they were
when they were on the TRT. So, yeah, there are
some of this stuff I can understand why. Okay, it
(30:24):
gives you a clear advantage, but I do think there's
there's it's vilified to a certain extent where people just assume, man,
all you got to do is take peds and you're
going to be better than everybody else, which isn't exactly
the case in a lot of cases.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
I've never seen a steroid hit a home run. I've
never seen a steroid take a hand off. I've never
seen a steroid tackle a person. I've never seen a steroid.
You know, do any of these these things that take
scal now where I will say, you may get like
if you've ever touched somebody who uses like performance and
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enhancing drugs, there's a very different feel to them. Like
I remember I arm wrestled somebody who was on on
on the gas. That has felt different.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Man, who was it?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
There's a different it doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
It's a different it's a different type of strength, it's
a different type of feel. It doesn't you know, it
doesn't feel natural. Like that's the best way of explaining it.
It doesn't feel natural. You know, it's crazy. I've never
been one to use peds when I played ball, and
I always felt like people that told me, like the
(31:43):
word the furthest I went was using metrics, which was
the creatid where I was trying to put more.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
More weight on in my senior year high school.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
That was as far as I ever had had went
with or gone with with using any type of supplements
or whatever. And then I come to find out, like
many years after I was removed from the game, that
like people were really like when people say they invest
a ton of money into their bodies and how their
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bodies heal and how they get back ready for the season,
and how they prepare and condition and stuff like that.
And I started realizing that using using certain you know,
chemists and doctors and different things like that was the
reason why these guys have been playing at such a
different level than than most other people. I will say,
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when somebody has those skills while I while I'll say
a steroid or performance enhancer never did.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
The skill work.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
You take somebody who's putting in that skill work and
has that ability and that talent, and you add that
that is an unfair advantage at one hundred send is
an unfair advantage.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Okay, So we need to get to that.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
That's what I will today.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
We got to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
This is obviously, with the being fourth of July weekend,
if everybody's going to celebrate that slob Joey Chestnut for
shoving hot dogs in his mouth, we decided we're going
to make our own little improv to game show.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Here, it's time for.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
The first ever can we guess the name of the
person that LeVar Arrington arm wrestled who was on the gas?
All right, so let's take it away.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
But it wasn't a football player?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Okay, well that kind of kills the later part of
the game. It wasn't a player, sorry, Okay, was it
a coach?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Nope? I bet you can't guess what he was what
his line of work was?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Okay, that'll work. So let's go ahead and readjust can
we start the game show over again? It's time for
the first ever edition of can you guess what line
of work the guy who LeVar Arrington arm wrestled who
happened to also be on the gas was in?
Speaker 3 (33:58):
And we take it away? I'm gonna go adult film star.
I mean, like, I feel like.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Lee, you want to give it a shot. So no
adult film star?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
All right? So Lee, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I'm going to say, uh, a restaurant, a waiter?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Is it a way to LeVar Arrington? I think I lost?
Definitely not? All right, So so this is.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
A big swing and a miss here as we deal
with technical difficulties here on a on a Friday morning,
always fun here on.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Two pros and a coup of.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Okay, there it is, all right, So it's not an
adult film star, not a restaurant person.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
All right.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
One last guess here, God, I want to go something
that's going to make sense when you think.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Okay, I mean, if you use common sense, it shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
You should be in a different like you should be
in an area like think about it.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
I'm a big dude. I am a big dude.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
I I arm wrestled this guy and he made my
arm look like a golf ball.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Okay, I think I got it. Or Eddie Garcia, you
want to take a guess at this.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah, I'm going to go professional wrestler.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
That's a close one.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
It was close, all right, I think I've got it. Bodybuilder.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
That's a close one.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Damn all right. What is it we lose?
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Personal security?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Okay? That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Well, I mean listen, if you're doing personal security, I
mean you look after somebody for a few.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Hours at night.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
During the day, all I'd be doing is lifting weights
and I would be snorting peds like that's all I
would do.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Like that's what and that's what they do.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
And they're not getting tested.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Who cares they are and they are yoked.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
They all wear polo shirts that are way too.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
No, they don't. They don't wear they wear te's. Hey bruh.
That that junk felt like something like you know what
it would have had to have been like the equivalent
of arm wrestling a leg. If you can arm wrestle
with your leg, think about it that way. Yeah, if
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that gives If that gives you any type of type
of thought on on. And it's funny because I actually
arm wrestled Snoop Dogg's private security too, but his arm
was literally just too it was too long. Like I
couldn't even I couldn't even do a fear of arm
wrestling match with ing because he was so big and
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he was like his arms were so long that when
we put our arms down the arm wrestle, his arm
was like a tired like forearm longer than mine.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yeah, that's a problem, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (37:10):
So yeah, no leverage, bro, and his hand engulfed my
hand too, like asking me why I did this?
Speaker 4 (37:19):
I just always like to see how I.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Measured up against guys that were like big and strong,
But the other dude that I'm talking about, Hey, bro, Like,
that's a different type of feeling when you all the
way gassed up. Bro, it's different. It's just different.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Sounds fun and you feel it.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
No, it ain't fun, So it's kind of scary. I
thought that my bicep was going to explode, to be honest,
because I didn't want to quit, but I knew I
couldn't win.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, well, you know what part of a champion, That's
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
So, how those Vegas another a topless pool experience for you?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Yesterday there poll or what?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (00:20):
So I found out what it was and so it's
the adult pool. It's the twenty one and overpool. You
can gamble there and everything. They have blackjack tables and
everything set up at that pool. So that's what it is.
It's an adult pool. And apparently they allow you to
be an adult.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
So you had no idea when you walked in there.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
That it was not yesterday. But I mean not the
day before, not the first time I went over there.
That's the first time I've ever experienced anything like that.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I didn't know that adult pool means you can just
take articles of clothings. I mean just assume you know,
twenty one and over I get, but I didn't know
that was the thing.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
It was. It was just they were flying around everywhere.
What do you mean by they hammers? Yeah, hammers in
the city, jack hammers, sledge hammers, little hammers, little rock hammers,
like just hammers everywhere.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And then uh be a little pair of boxing gloves
for a necklace in some.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
Cases glove hammers. Yeah, some flapjacks, leather chaps hammers.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Damn well, listen, that seems like quite the sight. And look,
God blessed America is fourth July weekend, so this is
that seems.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Appropriate that things.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Are going the way they're going in Las Vegas. There
is some important news that I did want to pass along. Well,
two pieces of important news that we didn't want to
pass along. First and foremost, Happy birthday, LeVar Arrington.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Happy birthday.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah it's a big day.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Happy happy twenty fifth to LeVar Arrington, who is who's
celebrating nicely.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Appreciate that very much.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
You got it.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
That was my that's my first birthday message to you today.
So I didn't leave you one previously with any inappropriate
material on it, but clearly.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
You would have got suspended and you would still be
definitely suspended. Hat you messed this one up, right, That
is true, you know, as Brady Quinn found out so
quickly that you know, things can go bad when you
mess up a birthday.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh let's try to miss that. Yeah, Brady's still on
the show. I just want to make that clear for everybody.
That keeps asking, So Brady is still on the show.
So the first piece of news.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Wait, wait, so you're saying Brady Quinn is still on
the show.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yes, he's still on the show.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So for the umpteenth day in a row, we've announced
that that people seem to scare you fired.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
For some No, you can't do that, per fect. Then
everybody's going to think that, Yeah, that's gonna come. He's
not been fired, He's he's still He's still around.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
So that's so the first piece of news. Happy birthday,
lebar Arrington. Yes, thank you, second piece of second piece
of great.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
News here, Yes, okay, you bet your as.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Hammers.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It is a football Friday here on two pros and
a cup of Joe, as it always is, even when there's.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
No football to talk about.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
We actually do have football to talk about here because
we were some speculation is to so what are these
suspensions going to look like in the NFL when they
start handing out some of these, uh these suspensions for
players that you know, wanted to bet on some games
and all that. And we got our answers yesterday. Isaiah Rodgers.
He was the guy, the kick returner slash defensive back
for the Colts who was trying to supplement his income
(03:57):
for them, you know, basically outlawing the kick off nowadays.
He was betting on Colts games. Apparently he's one of
the names obviously that we heard about. He got a
year long suspension, so did Rashad Barry, also of the Colts.
Demetrius Taylor, who's a free agent, he was also suspended indefinitely.
And then Titan's offensive tackle Nicholas petite Frere was also
(04:21):
suspended six games for betting on other sports in the workplace,
so not NFL games. But as we talked about yesterday,
you know, a clear difference between betting on NFL games
while you're inside the work facility and not betting on
NFL games. And I don't know if it were some
college football or what he was into, but those are
the suspensions handed out yesterday.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
But then and also it also means if you're betting
on NFL, you're most likely going to get a pink slip.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
If you're not, if you are not a marquee name.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Now, yeah, I am, I am curious as to what's
going to happen when it's a big name player that
gets caught up, like, are they gonna are they going
to release him?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Because it sounds as though if.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
That, if that happens and you get a pink slip
for bet betting on it, or you get a you
get a suspension for betting on the NFL, you're going
to get a pink slip from the team. And and
I would assume they're they're radioactive. So for what it's worth,
that they probably those bets may have effectively ended their
(05:29):
careers in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, it's and look, are you ready for some reckless
speculation here?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yes, I think I think there.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Were bigger names that got popped, and I don't think
we'll ever hear what those names are.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
The NFL. The NFL doesn't want any sort of smoke
like that. Again, reckless speculation.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
But I don't think the NFL wants the type of
smoke where a marquee player is betting over unders on
some of these games or coin flip bets for the
Super Bowl or whatever it is. I don't think the
NFL wants any part of that. So let's go ahead,
let's get aggressive on this. Let's kind of announce a
bunch of suspensions all at once and say in a.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Sweeping motion, one sweeping motion.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
We've cleaned up the gambling problem in the league, but
much like other parts of sports in which guys get
popped for peds, in those sports, guys are still getting
PopEd for peds. I think there were bigger names involved
in this, and I don't think we'll ever hear what
those names are.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
What do you think of that?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I mean, it is reckless, but I don't think. I
don't think that it is inaccurate. You know, it's possible,
it is certainly possible, or it's just certainly possible. Maybe
just just make like Jonas, just maybe I'll start thinking
(06:55):
to myself, it's like, Okay, we're sitting there talking about
the whole fall Guide deal.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
We're joking around.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Now you got to have a Chris Carter conversation, like,
have somebody else do it?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I would assume the lower cash making guys like these
names that were just read off, they probably don't make
enough where they would actually trust their money in somebody
else's in somebody else's hands, and so they just do
the bet on their own like they don't they don't
(07:29):
have and maybe it isn't even a trusting Maybe it's
just like, I'm not even significant or relevant enough to
have to have somebody do it for me.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Nobody cares. Right now. If you're if you're.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Of stature and you're making millions, I would assume you
would have somebody placing bets for you. Yes, And I
think that, and I think that that's where the probably
the difference, the difference in all of this is taking place.
I think it is just so like you you've got
an issue of some sort, or.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
You're you're a weirdo if.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
You're even going anywhere near gambling as an active pro
pro football player. Like to me, that's that that has
not been stated, but it should be stated, like, don't come.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Up and got some technical difficulties. All right, So we've
lost LeVar Arrington, but we will effort to get him
back connected here.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Listen, look, these are just technical difficulties. Everybody.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Some people go through it, all right. You might run
into an issue with your engine on your way to work.
You might run into some problems too. We're not trying
to judge you. Maybe something in your cubicle falls apart
and you guys lose Wi FI while you're trying to
you know, put together you know something, some sort.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Of white light.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, there it is, there is.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I'm not all wi fi.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
I heard you the whole time, don't I don't know
why my microphone went out, but anyway, I just don't
think there should be any any type of excuse being
being tossed out there by any type of player as
it applies to gambling.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Well as far as NFL, don't do it. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Just don't do it, like right, exactly exactly, just don't
do it.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Because Albert Breer made the point yesterday if you if
you can't figure out that you're an NFL player and
you can't bet on NFL games at this point, then
you're an idiot.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Like it just yes, that's really what it is.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
There's here's the fascinating part about the Isaiah Rodgers story.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
This is really great, all right. So this is from ESPN.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
So you remember we talked about this when it initially
came out that they did some you know, digging on
Isaiah Rodgers and they found out he had placed like
one hundred different bets. One of them was like a
thousand dollars bet and there was so he was like
pretty active in comparison to guys like you know, maybe
Jamison Williams or Calvin Ridley, who were doing a couple
of bets here or there. But this according to ESPN,
(09:52):
a source told ESPN that friends of Isaiah Rodgers who
were in Florida encouraged him to place many of the wagers,
the majority of which we're in the twenty five to
fifty dollars range. Legal sports betting was not available in
Florida this past football season. The largest wager place through
the account was a one thousand dollars prop bet on
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the over under on rushing yards by a Colts running back, which,
by the way, one now for me, the fact that
that bet hit, we should slash the suspension in half,
all right, So I'm thinking half a season because he
did win the bet, but the idea that he thought
it was appropriate to go ahead and gamble on one
(10:34):
of his teammates, and how he performs in a game
because his buddies were giving him bad advice the entire time.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I don't know how you defend it. I really I
don't know how.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Different ways to support your team, man, I have a team, right,
you know, Pete Rose.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Pete Rose will never go into the hall of fame
because of the same stuff. Listen, I know that's that's
you know, all right, Reggie Bush, you get his highest
and trophy back whatever.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I just you know, rules are rules, that's the thing.
Rules are rules, and if you break the rules, then
you've broken the rules and you got to live with
the consequences of what you did. And I just think
that it's just very I think it's very very irresponsible
(11:25):
to be And I don't want to be like a
finger pointer. You know, we all none of us are
with without fault. But this is a very very you
can you can avoid this. You don't have to be
that guy. You don't have to be that person. Like
if gambling is that important to you, where you're going
(11:48):
to risk it, risk it all for a thousand dollars bet,
then you you know, like nature took its course.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
And who is yeah, what you wanted?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Who is friends like that that are telling him, like,
hey man, place a few of these bets, just twenty
five or fifty dollars. Don't worry about it. It's not
that big of a deal. Like wait, what it's like
telling somebody, hey man, could you go rob that bank?
If it's under a hundred bucks. They're not going to
sweat you on it.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
It's like it's like if there was this forbidden fruit
on a tree and it was just like hanging on
the tree right and it was like, man, like, you
can have everything you want, you can eat anything you want,
you do anything you want, and all you got to
do is just stay away from that tree and don't
don't eat that that that fruit on that tree.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
You know, that's all right.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
And for some reason, it's like for some people when
you tell them don't do that, it automatically is like
it's like, you know, you remember when the judge was
tapping on the wall to try to get Roger Rabbit
to start singing. It's just for some strange reason, some
(13:00):
people can't handle it.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
They can't handle it.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It's like it's why, you know, some women fall for
bad boys. They hear all the rumors. Don't go near him,
don't stay away from him. That's bad news. And for
some reason it just pulls you right in. Can't help it,
you know, And you would know, huh, yeah, well listen,
Gambling's the bad boy of the NFL. And apparently these
guys could resist.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
You have taken full advantage of that. There you go.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I'm going to be sure to catch live editions of
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn,
LeVar Arrington and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern
three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
We have been talking on this show though, about the
issue at running back in the NFL. Guys aren't getting paid,
Guys are trying to get paid. Saquon Barkley still hasn't
gotten his deal done with the Giants. Josh Jacobs reportedly
still at odds with the Raiders because he hasn't signed
his franchise tag either. Austin Eckler had an issue, Dalvin
(14:00):
b was released.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Like all these running.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Backs have popped up over the past, especially the past
couple of months, vocal being vocal about the deterioration and
the value of the position.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And you had.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Melvin Gordon, who was on with Jim Rome recently who
talked about it's literally the worst position to play in
the NFL right now. And the latest is Miles Sanders
who spoke with Rich Eisen about his issues with how
the running back position is being valued.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Let's take a Listen, it's nothing that we're doing wrong.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
We're doing everything that we have to do, you know,
as far as on the field and stuff like that.
And for people, and I think GMS or whatever owners
to think that running backs are not as valued as
much as it is a lie because you got to
see how everything plays out. You got to see guys
like like Christ McCaffey stuff. He does things that Takwon do,
(14:53):
the things that Josh Jacobs do consistently each year. But
they want to do you want a franchise tag and
you know, create a certain guest market for running backs
because you have this way of thinking that they only
last three to four years. I think it's a bs Honestly,
there's a lot of Almost every running back of the
league is underpaid right now. I don't know what's going
(15:16):
to take but I don't know, but that's a topic
that needs to be, you know, brought up a little
bit more because it's sucks to be a running back
right now, honestly.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
So that's Miles Sanders talking with Rich Eisen about the
position and just the issues for running backs and what
they face right now. And you and I have brought
this up before. What's the solution, like what do you do?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
The game is evolving and it's going to continue to evolve.
It's going to have more positions. Some positions become more important,
others less, Like it seems like tight ends are more
important than running backs, yep at this point. Yep ever
(16:00):
said that ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
You know.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
So it's just the game is evolving and for what
it's worth it in context, historical context, it does suck
to be a running back, but in real time, at
least you have a skill set that still translates to
(16:24):
you making money off of being one.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Because if you were a fullback.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
You don't even have You don't even really like I think,
And the only reason why I know they still use
a fullback in Detroit is because Jason could be Bend
is a fullback who was a linebacker at Pitton State.
That would be the only reason why I know they
use a fullback. But I mean it's not you don't
(16:51):
even really have a opportunity to have a job. I mean,
you think about it. Sam Gash was critical to running
running games in Baltimore and Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Lorenzo O'Neil sam Gash might be one of great aims
of all time, Like.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
You do you realize he's the original eleven at Penn State?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Is he really he wore eleven?
Speaker 7 (17:15):
That?
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Yeah, he wore eleven at Penn State. And there's a
there's a bit of trivia for you. But but you know,
you had the Lorenzo o'nils, you had the Mike Allstots. Imagine,
imagine right now in this era of football, Mike Allstot,
a Sam Gash, a Lorenzo O'Neil coming out, Max Strong
(17:39):
coming out and to the NFL, they wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Even have a job.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Kyle yust Check, they wouldn't even have a job.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
And to Kyle us Check is obviously with the forty
nine ers he has a job, but that's because Kyle
Shanahan has made him a focal part of the offense.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
But yeah, he's in the minority when it comes to that.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
It's just it's I mean, again, you can count probably
on one hand how many fullbacks are in the NFL
right now, and so when you think about the dynamics
of where offensive schemes are going, it's just it's just
(18:16):
not It's not that the running backs isn't still important.
It's just that the running back is not the focal point, whereas.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
They used to be.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Running backs used to be the main focal point and
it was hand in hand. You can't have a prolific
passing attack without having a prolific running game, and vice,
you know, the other way around. You got to have
a prolific passing game to have a prolific running game.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
People will be like, well, how is that? Why is that?
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Well, you think about any prolific passing team with who
you want to bring up? You want to bring up
Airic Coriel, You want to bring up the greatest show
on turf? Do you want to bring up Peyton Manning?
Do you want to bring up Jim Roethlisberger? Do you
want to bring up Tom Brady? Whoever you want to
bring up that you think Aaron Rodgers, whoever you want
(19:11):
to bring up, Brett Favre, whoever you want to bring up.
As a prolific passer and a passing attack of passing team,
they all had prolific running backs, every last one of them.
Every last one of them had prolific running backs. I mean,
Jerome Bettis is a Hall of Famer, Ben Roethlisberger had him,
(19:34):
Kurt Warner had Marshall, Folk, Peyton, Manning had, Edgar and
James we're talking about We're talking about like you look
at Eli Manning and those two Super Bowls he had,
they had three running backs, three.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
That were the catalysts.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
They were the catalysts of what that offense was able
to create and why it opened things up for Plexico
and the other guys in the passing game.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
And and Plexico and those guys would admit it. They
would admit that.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
So when you think about where the running backs position
is now and how it's not being valued as much,
that that role still exists, that role still exists for
running backs. It's just not the focal point. You still
need to run the ball. Like having a Derek Henry matters.
(20:36):
Having a Saquon Barkley matters, a Kamara, Alvin Kamara matters,
Having having a Miles Sanders matters, Having a McCaffrey matters.
It matters to have a tailback that can do, a
running back that can do what these guys do. They
(20:58):
are very much a part of the fabric of an offense.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
They're just not the focal point.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, it's almost and you mentioned you know, the game
has evolved and it's like sometimes things are cyclical and
they'll go around, like you'll see like fashion nowadays, man
like baggy jeans are back, like you see.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Like there are some like I mean we're.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Talking like you know, young women that are dressing like
Gwen Stefani was dressing thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Like it just I mean it just like that.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
So that happens, like stuff is cyclical and it comes back,
and then there are other things that evolve to your point,
and they never really come back because people realize it's
too far down the road, Like you're not going to
see a landline anymore, you're not going to see anybody
use a page, or you're not because it's advanced at
that point. And it feels like and we broke down
the numbers last week.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
When's the last time you used a house phone in
your house?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I don't know. We don't have one. Yeah, literally don't
have one.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
We have them on the wall. We just just not
even I don't even think they're act.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
See I've thought about getting one, but it's got to
be the rotary, like the old rotary dial.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
That's nostalgia.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
There's something aboutter So my my sister in law and
my brother in law had a party for their their
one year old daughter and the theme of the party
was Toy Story and one of the toys that was
there was this little kid's rotary phone. And my wife
was looking at me, and everyone's looking at me like
a weirdo because I was playing with the rotary phone,
(22:28):
dialing my old house number and I wouldn't let my
son play with it before.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Yeah, right, five eight one zero, very crazy of all
the things you remember, I still remember my yeah, like
I was first phone number.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
But I was playing with this this rotary phone because
it took me back to when I was a kid.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And people looking at me like what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
And I'm like, I don't know, i'n't seen one of
these in forever, but it was nostalgic, and I just wonder,
is the running back position going to get to the
point towards the rotary phone? And it's like, man, it's
really cool to talk about, but dude, nobody is getting
the love anymore from a financial standpoint or in the
realm of you know, what's considered elite playmakers in the NFL,
(23:12):
Like tight ends to your.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Point, yeah, yeah, and just super quick, I know we
got a wrap. But I just think where we're at
right now, it's it's a running back like a McCaffrey
will be the only reason why the position stays relevant.
And like the Derrick Henry's and stuff like that, It's possible,
(23:35):
it's possible, But I would think that like the Tyreek Hills,
the Alvin Kamara's, like the Tweener, like DeShawn Jackson, the Tweener,
receivers are going to replace running backs because you can
you can motion them, you can you have an extra
receiver on the field that you can put in space,
(23:58):
put in motion. And then what's going to happen, and
this is going to get tricky. What's gonna happen is
linebackers aren't going to be necessarily needed for stopping the run.
So you'll start to see the linebacker position look different,
Like you won't see guys like me playing linebackers.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Guys like me will have.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
To either be able to cover and be able to
run with like a Santana Moss in space, or you're
gonna be on the on the line of scrimmage rushing
the passer, you know what I mean. So it's gonna
it's gonna not only shape what offenses look like. It's
gonna start to morph and evolve and shape what defenses
look like and how they have to prepare as well.
(24:39):
You're gonna have to start putting, and it's already happening.
You're gonna have to start playing safeties at linebacker. That's
I mean, so you're gonna have to start playing basically
nickel and dime defenses. And that's going to replace a
base defense. You're not even gonna You're not even gonna
have a base defense. You're not gonna have like big, big, strong,
(25:02):
thumping linebackers in there anymore, because they're gonna have to
be able to cover and be able to run in
space and do everything that safeties and secondary guys. So
it's going to be secondary versus receivers. Yeah, it's like
basically the NFL is going to turn into like seven
or seven.
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Speaker 2 (26:07):
So, I think the NFL had a strategic plan. They decided,
if we're going to do a bunch of suspensions, let's
just all knock it out in one hit right before
the fourth July weekend, and then everybody just kind of
goes on with their lives and get prepares for travel
and traffic and fireworks and hot dogs and booze and
all the other fun stuff that comes along with it.
(26:27):
On top of the gambling suspensions, LeVar cam Robinson of
the Jaguars, they announced his four game suspension for a
PD violation, And it is kind of funny how this
sort of just whatever PD, big deal, He's a starter.
It's like a pretty important part of a playoff team.
(26:48):
In any other sport, a PD violation would be looked
at as a significant event. In the NFL for some reason. Yeah, whatever,
he'll be back in four games.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
We're fine. What's that about. Why is the NFL looked
at differently?
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I just think because that is something that has always
been a part of football and a part of sports,
And so when you're talking about just I mean, there
was a time where it seemed like it was kind
of like it was legal, you know what I mean,
(27:24):
Like you saw the the La ale Zato's and those
type of guys that you know, most of these guys were.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
On peds glorified, you know.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
So to me, it's I mean just I think people
look like nobody's comfortable talking about smoking wheed, like that's
becoming something that's a little bit more acceptable because of
how society and lawmakers are relaxing their approach to it.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Right.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
But in general, you know, people will talk about peds
because there's there's such a great area in between performance
enhancing drugs that you pop hot for and or in
violation versus you know, peds that are legal, you know
that you're able to use. So I think it's just
(28:17):
it's been more of a conversation for so long that
I think that people have actually gotten comfortable with even
if it's like okay, all right, they pop for pds,
like okay, Like if somebody can feel confident enough to say,
I pop for PDS because I was trying to have
a kid, I pop for peds because I was using
(28:39):
a certain.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Type of shampoo.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Like I just think that people are more dissensitized to
it than than anything else.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Like gambling.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
This is new, it's new territory and it's new conversational points.
But but peds that that's an age old conversation.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, and it's like the other one recovering from injuries, which,
by the way, for people out there like that is
a real thing. Like there's a reason why Connor McGregor
still hasn't fought because he's recovering from a broken leg
and part of the and he he left the testing
pool and people are like, why would he leave the
testing pools? He done fighting, And the speculation is he
(29:20):
left the testing pool because he's gonna get on the
gas because it helps you heal faster, and that's been
proven in a lot of cases. And so you know,
now he missed his windows.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Yes, like, look, you get back in better shape and
then you cycle yourself off.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah. The the UFC tried this out a few years ago.
They allowed fighters to use TRT testosterone replacement therapy, and
so all of a sudden, these fighters like v tour Belfort,
who was well advanced, you know, well you know, beyond
his prime, showed back up.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
And was shacked. He was full of gas.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I mean it was spilling out of his ears and
he was knocking people out. And then THEFC realized that,
you know, they talked with you know, the testing agencies
and realized, yeah, maybe this was not a great idea.
And then those guys came back and they shrunk. They
literally were a fraction of the size that they were
when they were on the TRT. So, yeah, there are
some of this stuff I can understand why. Okay, it
(30:24):
gives you a clear advantage, but I do think there's
there's it's vilified to a certain extent where people just assume, man,
all you got to do is take peds and you're
going to be better than everybody else, which isn't exactly
the case in a lot of cases.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
I've never seen a steroid hit a home run. I've
never seen a steroid take a hand off. I've never
seen a steroid tackle a person. I've never seen a steroid.
You know, do any of these these things that take
scal now where I will say, you may get like
if you've ever touched somebody who uses like performance and
(31:03):
enhancing drugs, there's a very different feel to them. Like
I remember I arm wrestled somebody who was on on
on the gas. That has felt different.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Man, who was it?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
There's a different it doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
It's a different it's a different type of strength, it's
a different type of feel. It doesn't you know, it
doesn't feel natural. Like that's the best way of explaining it.
It doesn't feel natural. You know, it's crazy. I've never
been one to use peds when I played ball, and
I always felt like people that told me, like the
(31:43):
word the furthest I went was using metrics, which was
the creatid where I was trying to put more.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
More weight on in my senior year high school.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
That was as far as I ever had had went
with or gone with with using any type of supplements
or whatever. And then I come to find out, like
many years after I was removed from the game, that
like people were really like when people say they invest
a ton of money into their bodies and how their
(32:16):
bodies heal and how they get back ready for the season,
and how they prepare and condition and stuff like that.
And I started realizing that using using certain you know,
chemists and doctors and different things like that was the
reason why these guys have been playing at such a
different level than than most other people. I will say,
(32:39):
when somebody has those skills while I while I'll say
a steroid or performance enhancer never did.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
The skill work.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
You take somebody who's putting in that skill work and
has that ability and that talent, and you add that
that is an unfair advantage at one hundred send is
an unfair advantage.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Okay, So we need to get to that.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
That's what I will today.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
We got to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
This is obviously, with the being fourth of July weekend,
if everybody's going to celebrate that slob Joey Chestnut for
shoving hot dogs in his mouth, we decided we're going
to make our own little improv to game show.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Here, it's time for.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
The first ever can we guess the name of the
person that LeVar Arrington arm wrestled who was on the gas?
All right, so let's take it away.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
But it wasn't a football player?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Okay, well that kind of kills the later part of
the game. It wasn't a player, sorry, Okay, was it
a coach?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Nope? I bet you can't guess what he was what
his line of work was?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Okay, that'll work. So let's go ahead and readjust can
we start the game show over again? It's time for
the first ever edition of can you guess what line
of work the guy who LeVar Arrington arm wrestled who
happened to also be on the gas was in?
Speaker 3 (33:58):
And we take it away? I'm gonna go adult film star.
I mean, like, I feel like.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Lee, you want to give it a shot. So no
adult film star?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
All right? So Lee, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I'm going to say, uh, a restaurant, a waiter?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Is it a way to LeVar Arrington? I think I lost?
Definitely not? All right, So so this is.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
A big swing and a miss here as we deal
with technical difficulties here on a on a Friday morning,
always fun here on.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Two pros and a coup of.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Okay, there it is, all right, So it's not an
adult film star, not a restaurant person.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
All right.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
One last guess here, God, I want to go something
that's going to make sense when you think.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Okay, I mean, if you use common sense, it shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
You should be in a different like you should be
in an area like think about it.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
I'm a big dude. I am a big dude.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
I I arm wrestled this guy and he made my
arm look like a golf ball.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Okay, I think I got it. Or Eddie Garcia, you
want to take a guess at this.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah, I'm going to go professional wrestler.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
That's a close one.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
It was close, all right, I think I've got it. Bodybuilder.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
That's a close one.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Damn all right. What is it we lose?
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Personal security?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Okay? That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Well, I mean listen, if you're doing personal security, I
mean you look after somebody for a few.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Hours at night.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
During the day, all I'd be doing is lifting weights
and I would be snorting peds like that's all I
would do.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Like that's what and that's what they do.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
And they're not getting tested.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Who cares they are and they are yoked.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
They all wear polo shirts that are way too.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
No, they don't. They don't wear they wear te's. Hey bruh.
That that junk felt like something like you know what
it would have had to have been like the equivalent
of arm wrestling a leg. If you can arm wrestle
with your leg, think about it that way. Yeah, if
(36:34):
that gives If that gives you any type of type
of thought on on. And it's funny because I actually
arm wrestled Snoop Dogg's private security too, but his arm
was literally just too it was too long. Like I
couldn't even I couldn't even do a fear of arm
wrestling match with ing because he was so big and
(36:56):
he was like his arms were so long that when
we put our arms down the arm wrestle, his arm
was like a tired like forearm longer than mine.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yeah, that's a problem, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (37:10):
So yeah, no leverage, bro, and his hand engulfed my
hand too, like asking me why I did this?
Speaker 4 (37:19):
I just always like to see how I.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Measured up against guys that were like big and strong,
But the other dude that I'm talking about, Hey, bro, Like,
that's a different type of feeling when you all the
way gassed up. Bro, it's different. It's just different.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Sounds fun and you feel it.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
No, it ain't fun, So it's kind of scary. I
thought that my bicep was going to explode, to be honest,
because I didn't want to quit, but I knew I
couldn't win.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, well, you know what part of a champion, That's
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
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