July 10, 2023 • 42 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar Arrington and Geoff Schwartz look back on Victor Wembanyama's Summer League debut and discuss his importance to the future of the NBA. They react to the troubling reports regarding hazing at Northwestern under Pat Fitzgerald and they discuss the best fits for Dalvin Cook and DeAndre Hopkins who must decide between chasing money or rings.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the fast of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Rings and Rating Winn and Jonas Knots on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All right, Jeff Victor winmbin Yama, he had a better game,
felt pretty good, put up, put up over twenty points,
had some rebounds, was ding up and you know what.
This is what he had to say after the game.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
First of all, the court is more open. It's going fast,
but it's it's less physical. And uh, I get followed,
love but not as much. Nothing to compare. And people here,
people players are just flying, you know. Out there, it's
more underground, pushing on the ground, big buxs house.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Here.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It's great athletes, the best in the world, more way,
more talent. But I like this better though.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Very interesting, very interesting. Indeed, Jeffy just called us soft.
Basically American NBA basketball players they don't have to, they
don't follow. But gay, what was your takeaway from it?
Obviously the topic set is does the NBA need Victor
winbin Yama to be a megastar? And I'll just start
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off by saying, yeah, they do, but but what what's
your take on it?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yes they do, it'd be great if he was right
because of his talent. You obviously want the most talented
players to have the great careers because that's obviously what
kind of sort of carries your league. Look, look what's
happening with Lebron for so many years, right and Jordan
before that, Patrick Mahomes the NFL, Tom Brady before that.
You want the best players, the most talented players to
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be the to be the best. And and after Lebron leaves,
they don't need someone else. They'll need someone else to
be that guy. I've thought about this, LeVar. Who is
it if Lebron were to retire tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Who is the guy in the NBA right now? Who
you would say is the who carries the league? It's
Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, right, I think we right?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
You know what's crazy, Jeff, I, in my mind felt
like John Morant was on the trajectory was to be's
a megastar in the face of this league, even with
those names you just named.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
He was if his team set aside the personal issues.
But your team has to win championships for that to
happen as well, So I don't know if his team
was was quite ready for that. Yet they were I
think they were closer people thought obviously with the injuries.
They were injured basically two years of the row in
the playoffs, right if they had the success on the court, certainly,
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I think most agree that was sort of the path.
But obviously now we'll find out how he is after
a suspension. He was on that path. So there really
is not another young guy right who You're like, yeah,
that that guy was supposed to be Zion could have
been Yeah, it's not him yet.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Could he could have been Tatum? And we could say
we could say Yiannis into the Kompo, you know, because yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
But you know, part of it is that the personal
and the honest personality I think was really good. He
doesn't share it very often. I don't enough to, like,
you know, Lebron obviously all everything he was able to
do as a young player, but also sort of have
that personality to embrace that it needs to be Victor now,
is it gonna be? He seems very mature, He's played
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a lot of basketball and he's gonna be really good.
You saw the improvement from Game one where he's like,
I don't know, I don't even feel like I've ever
played basketball before the Game two. But I think the
NBA needs is gonna need that from him, because they're
gonna need someone after Lebron has done to be that guy,
and right now, I don't think it's anyone young. I mean,
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obviously Curry and KD can be those guys for a
little bit, but they're gonna need someone else, and I
think they hope it's Victor.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah. I mean, just looking at the way they brought
him in right the build up to the draft, the
way he was drafted, the way then and the experts
spoke about wm bin Yama, I feel as though it
one hundred percent is in their plans and it's in
their best interest for Victor to be that mega to
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develop into that megastar. Look, Jordan didn't get championships very
quickly early on in his career either. Lebron didn't get
them very quickly early on in his career either. But
if you get that build up, if you get that
build up for what he can be and what he
can represent to your league, I just wonder he kind
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of gives me. He kind of gives me Tim And
it's weird that he plays for the Spurs, but he
kind of gives me Tim Duncan vibes like kind of
laid back, you know, his his his style of play.
Almost in a lot of ways, he almost looks like
a taller version of Tim Duncan out there, which that's
crazy to say, but it's almost like you're looking at
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Tim Duncan reincarnated. And I don't know if that's an
off as a megastar, but I'm thinking that they're hoping
and praying that it is.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I mean, did you see the picture that was posted
shortly after he goes drafted. He was with Tim Duncan
and David Robinson, and he made both those guys look small,
like he's still a large human. And and look, he's
playing obviously with a coach who's who's developed many superstars
over the years, who's developed many superstars that are non
American either, right, which is you know, I know that
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really matters too much here, but there's a track record
of them developing foreign players. So and so I think
that Parkers, I think that's he's a good place to be.
They've won a lot. They've won a lot there and
obviously not with this team, but the staff has won
a lot, and so it's a good place for him
to for him to develop. And and this year, I
don't think the Spurs will asked a ton of them.
And so year one, I think you're gonna look at
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a team that might not try to win very much
again to get more players around Victor, because San Antonio
is not a free agent spot. You got to have
to draft your players. And there's a chance that he becomes,
you know, the superstar of the NBA. I mean, look,
when you watch a guy who can shoot a three
and follow that up by dunking his put back or
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like you know what I mean, Like, there's there's a
capability to be that player in the NBA. And and
I think I think also what makes it unique is
that Lebron I think, at a young age, understood that.
And obviously the height for Lebron started in high school,
Soho's always been in the spotlight. But I think Victor
understands that at least when you hear him talk and
and how mature he is and how ready he seems
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for this moment. So it's good, I think LeVar that
he understands that as well, that I have this I'm
the next guy up, and I need to be ready
when it's my time.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, I totally agree with that, and I'm very interested
to see how how it all unfolds for Victor and
even for the Spurs, and just how he will integrate
because we all know this is summer league. So whether
he has an impressive summer league or it's underwhelming, it
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really doesn't matter. It's summer league. These are all guys
that are new to the league. They're in the in
the game and trying to make their way. You'll find
out what he's really made of when it gets the
regular season. So to talk about well they don't foul
as much in the court is wide open.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Okay, Well, in the regular.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Season before we get don't we.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Want guys to be honest. LeVar like, don't. It's ask
about athletes, right, like, hey, man, just tell us how
you feel. And so he's saying he's talking about playing
now and I'm sure it's first NBA game when he plays,
you know the schedule, when he plays someone who is
just gonna push him the back, he's gonna fall over,
like he'll get used to it. But right we ask
these athletes say, hey, be honest, man, tell us how
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you feel. And when he and when when they do,
we walk them forward. So it's just the way it works.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well. I appreciate you, Jeff, for sitting in here with
me and us doing what we're doing, and then you know,
making this thing work. And speaking of making it work, well,
Damian Lillard, he tried to make it work in Portland
and it just didn't seem to pan out the way
that young Dame may have wanted it to. His loyalties
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have run out, time has run out, and now we
are on the Dame Lillard watch. Problem is we're watching
to see if he can make it to one team.
I know you've been paying attention to this. This has
to be a creative approach in order for Dame Lillard
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to end up in Miami. Because quite frankly, what you
want you want hero, who do you want from Miami?
In exchange? Jimmy Butler? Might work? But why would you
do that? What happens? What needs to happen for Damian
Lillard to end up being in Miami? And if he
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doesn't end up in Miami, Jeff, what does this mean
for Damian Lillard? What does this mean for the Portland's Trailblazers?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
What do NBA players sit out when they're not traded.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I mean he's saying he's going to sit out if
he or don't let me say he's saying that. I
believe I've read that somewhere that it was reported or
stated that there's two things. One, if he's traded for
for the wrong team that he doesn't want to go to,
you will have a very very very unhappy Damian.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Little right, very very oh very very unhappy.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And if if a trade doesn't take place, he's willing
to sit out until Portland shows that they're going in
the right direction to win a championship.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
This feels very NFL ish, right, like players stand off
and Portland's like, yeah, I don't know, we want a
lot for you, and if we don't get it, we're
not going to trade you. And when you have a
situation where publicly everyone knows it's just one team he
just wants to play for the Heat, then you know,
then the stresses on the Heat this happen and Portland
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what they want four first round picks and two quality
players for Lillard. I mean that's quite a haul to
give anybody for any player. And you have to think,
if you're Miami, is Lillard enough to win win a championship? Right, Like,
that's the question. If you're trading, Let's say you give
them what they want, the four first round picks and
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the two quality players. Is Lillard and Butler and who's
ever left over? I assume BAM's not going anywhere, but
maybe he is part of the trade. But let's say
that's those three guys, right, Bam, Jimmy and Dame. Is
that enough to win a championship? If you think it is,
I probably make the trade right the goals to win championships.
If you don't. If you're not doing that, then you
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know the Heat aren't accomplishing what they're setting out to
do each year. If you don't think that, then just
lavarn you don't make the trade, right, Like, if you think, okay,
we lose the two quality players and our draft picks
and we cannot put enough around the two core guys
to win a champion then if you're if you're the Heat,
I don't. I don't know how you can do that
at that at that price that Portland wants. So the
standoff is gonna happen for a while. I think until
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either one budget or if Portland decides, hey, we're trading
somewhere else. What recourse does. Does does Damian have if
he gets trade somewhere he doesn't want to.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Go, is to be unhappy?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Okay, well sorry, one player in the NBA's unhappy. It's
never been done before, No, I no pro athletes had
to go play for a team that they didn't really
want to play for and do their job for an
organization they didn't feel it was loyal to them, or
they didn't like like. He'd be the first person in
all sports to ever do that. He's gonna end up
in Miami. We don't know this.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I mean, it's what happens in the NBA, right, I mean,
when when the lines are drawn and these things take place,
it seems as though that's what happens, is that the
player ends up in the place where they wanted to go.
I mean, we've seen it happen with Anthony Davis. We've
seen it happen with guys like Carmelo Anthony. We've seen
it happen. But what I'm very curious about here is, again,
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there's going to have to be some creativity in how
he ends up in Miami. There's gonna have to be
another team involved or another two teams involved in order
for this to take place, because quite frankly, there just
isn't enough. To me and my assessment of it, there's
not enough. There's not enough assets that that Portland would
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want from from Miami to make this happen.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Well, I think it depends also on what the goal
of Portland in the trade is, right, because if the
goal of Portland is, Okay, we're gonna get players to
sort of rebuild the retool around and hope those draft
picks we get can get us in a better round
of shoot next year. Yeah, but you need more than
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scut obviously, of course, and he's you know, most again
the NBA, there's sort of a pattern, right, like you
need to have your superstar three twenty seven, twenty eight
years old before they win, right. A lot of guys
aren't winning at that at that younger age, and it
takes some time to lord how to play playoff basketball
and get your team together and get many physically tougher
and mentally tougher to win those championships. So it's about
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if it's Portland gonna go for it soon or they
want to use the players they've acquired to help scoot
you know, mature. And then also the draft picks, use
those guys to trade up and get you know, because
my Memmon's draft picks aren't gonna be great. You're not
gonna be the top of the draft. So are you
using them the package to get up and get better
players and kind of in three or four years get going,
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or is you're trying to win now. If you're trying
to win now, you you know, you might need a
third team in this right to get some some better.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
They were trying to win right now, then Dame Lillard
wouldn't be trying to get the hell up out of there, right.
I mean, he's been loyal to the team. He shunned
other trade offers or opportunities that could have possibly presented
himself for him to get out of there. He's said
he stayed loyal to the soil and it hasn't worked
out that way. And it doesn't look as though Portland
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has made real moves. I mean, that's a great draft pick,
but they haven't made real real moves. Yeah, that would
would lead you to believe that they're going to be
a team that is, you know, competitive to make it
to this to the finals.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yes, the most difficult part for a lot of NBA
teams is that you're not going to get the free
agents that when your championships come into your town. Right, Like,
Portland is not going to be a destination for a
lot of players, and so they have guy to hit
home runs on draft picks. They have to do that.
Now you can add you know, veterans and mid level
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players that they want to chase championships to your team.
But you're never gonna get that that pairing with Lillard
that he thought he was going to get unless you
hit on your draft picks. That's the only way that
happens to Portland, and that didn't happen, and that's why
he wants out Right, It's like, it's not that they
don't want to win, it's that you have to win
sort of one way. Miami you don't have to do that.
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You get free agents, you have the ability to attract
high profile talent in Miami. You can't do that.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
In Portland, right, Yeah, I mean that makes a lot
of sense, It really does. And you know, I think
this is an interesting one because I don't believe they
become the favorite to win it in the East if
he were to go to Miami. However, I will say this,
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they were very competitive Miami was in that championship round.
And then the question I asked myself, if they have
a Dame Damian Lillard that's playing on that team, is
that enough for them to get into that and when
that series?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Probably not against the Nuggets. But again, if you're playing
the Bucks, right, let's say the Bucks returned.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
To wasn't injured, is that enough?
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Because Miami at times Butler was a little injured in
that in that championship series, that right, just his ankles
beat up, So they didn't really have that that in
that series, that closure type guy, which is what Lillard
would be for them, right, And so you add those
points in there, and in terms of a different team,
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I think Denver was so good this year. You just
you weren't beating them right, right, even with look or
it might have been a seven game series, but you
weren't winning that series. But then if you look at
the East moving forward, you know what's Boston going to
look like come trade deadline, not come trading on the line,
but come kind of fre agency in training and whatnot
and figuring out their roster obviously, the Bucks I think
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with Gianni's being healthy, they're much different team obviously, and
then the Sixers. I know one really ever buys the
six Ers a team like You're up at the top
of the East at least right with lower there, I
think people would wager on you to win the East
with lower there. But to the point we've be making,
is that enough to win a championship?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Right?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Enough to win a championship?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I just know, I trust, I believe in. I'm a
pat Rally fan, and I don't know. I just feel
like he's figured it out with what they have. If
you have a Dame Lillard, I'm not counting them out.
That's that's what I would say. But you know that's
just one man's over.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Pat Rally has been in like twenty five percent of
NBA finals as a player, a coach, player, coach and executive.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Crazy Crazy Right.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
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Speaker 2 (17:36):
Jeff Schwartz, How you feeling, Man.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I am good, man. You know, it's every day it's
a step closer to the football. So I look at the summer.
Every day's a step closer to the football, and uh,
we's gonna be here before we know it. You know,
media days for college football beginning about two weeks of
being in Vegas in two weeks covering the Pac twelve,
and uh yeah, it's most like football. Man, it's coming soon.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Man, I was like football. I was just wondering how
you feel in terms of what time it is your
body clock, is your mind working? Are you feeling good?
Like this is an early time slot, how you feeling.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
You feel it's not. I mean, I got young kids, man,
I'm up at six thirty, so you're always up in
I'm good. I am. I've turned into more of a
morning personally. I was yesterday's old people stuff. Yeah. I
flew back from Dallas yesterday and I feel like, in
the point of my life for I'd rather just take
the early morning flight and just get home. I'll wake
up early, I'll get home too, I won't have to
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worry about Typically, the earlier fights of the day don't
have delays, and if they are delayed, you know, beforehand, right,
and like you just you get to the airport. I
got to be yesterday at five. I just got to
the airport. I got home. I got to take a
nap if I get home. Like it's just I'm at
the point of my life where morning are fine, but
to been less than nine, Like I was like, ah, ill,
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guess my day's over. Going to bed now, I'm fine
with it. It's okay.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You know what time I was in bed yesterday, no joking.
I was in the bed at five forty five.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, but you're on the West coast, so I mean
that's it's the same as me and nine.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I thought I was taking a nap to get up
and just like be up and then go take a
quick nap. Like I'm a napper. I'm not a sleeper.
Like even when I go overnight, it's I'm a napper,
Like I never sleep, Like I'll never go from like
nine ten pm till noon the next day. I can't
make it. I just won't make it. My my bladder
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doesn't agree with that, Like my body doesn't agree with that.
Nothing agrees with me staying in bed as like an
eight nine hour sleeper. I just can't do it, you know,
so I don't know. It kind of works up, you know,
it works out the way that it's supposed to work out,
and you get up and you know, you do what
you gotta do. But yeah, I was just making sure
you were all right.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Man.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I am, I am. I am ready to go.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Man.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
If you if you sent your kids ever to sleep
Boy camp, because my youngest son, my youngest son, my
only son, my my oldest kid is at Sleepway camp
right now, it is odd like him not being in.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
The house though. Yeah, no I haven't. I've never done
week now. I'm not in charge of those things though,
you know that's not that's.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Not I'm not in charge. Yeah, make that decision.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah I don't. Yeah, you said, have I ever? I
wouldn't even be, Like, I wouldn't even know what the
name of it is until they told me that this
is what's taking place, this is what's happening, Like you're
going to drive and you're paying for it, Like all right, yeah,
all those things, I'm done. Okay, it's had enough, all right. Yeah,
So I've never been a part of that, but I
would assume that that's pretty fun though, you know, I mean,
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if there are they all at sleep away cap.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
No, my son is my daughter is too young for that.
But it's weird, like waking up in the morning and
he's just not there. That's the only part it's odd
right now for me. Otherwise, dude, he seems like they
could play for twelve hours of the day and go
to sleep. I mean it's like for the best time
of his life.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah. Well, you know that's what happens when your daddy's
a big time football player. That's that's what it was.
That's how it works, man. And speaking, a big time
football player, not in the most flattering ways of a
story and to kind of transition into it, and someone
that I am I have a tremendous affinity for and
and respect for, Pat Fitzgerald finds himself in a little
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bit of a situation here Schwartze and I just you know,
there's an investigation going on into the Northwestern football team
hazing how much did Pat Fitzgerald know? How much you know,
was was let go? All these different things that are
being discussed. I believe a former player just recently came
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out and discussed in fact, you know what I don't
want to do. I can't do it. Any justice lead, Like,
can you can you give us like the details of
this so that that we have a clear understanding of
what's going on.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Sure, a lot of moving parts here, but chronologically this
is kind of how it went down. On Friday, Northwestern
suspended Pat Fitzgerald for two weeks unpaid after the investigation
found evidence to support the claim of problematic conduct, that
being hazing. Well over the weekend, a player who wanted
to be anonymous came to the Daily Northwestern.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Which that's always pretty interesting. I want to be anonymous
while I dive out and talk about every single thing.
I wonder did this player make it to the pros
that were they a starter or did they feel as
though they were done the wrong way? I mean, there's
always something connected to when you want to be anonymous,
but go ahead, go ahead. Well.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
In the allegations, he included coerced sexual acts and claims
that coach Fitzgerald may have had knowledge of the hazing
activities or at least should have known of these activities.
These activities, without getting too into the details because some
of it is graphic, included a practice called running, which
involved younger players being.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Well, again, I won't go into it, but the running
tied up, well not literally tied up, but just you know,
held down.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
When I read this story, I was very confused why
I did not expect running to be what was put
in the article like that.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'm with you on that.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
The Daily Northwestern claims they received photos of a whiteboard
that was put in the middle of the locker room
which included runnings, givings, and the shreks list for Christmas vacation.
So these were times when they would be hazing the
young freshmen.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
It just seems like really outlandish to me, Like you
got a whiteboard in the middle of the locker room.
I mean, so are the coaches so detached from what's
going on in the locker room that they don't and listen,
I went to Penn State, so be clear in terms
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of not knowing, you know what I mean, Like I
have gone through the Ring of Ringers in terms of
not like the whole idea of not knowing. But I
will say this, as a player that was there and
was coached by Jerry Sandusky, I did not know what
was going on with the actions of a coach. But
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I find this to be very, very different in terms
of context because coaches are supposed to know exactly what's
going on with their players, and not just the locker room.
I mean, that's the closest, easiest place to monitor your kids.
You gotta know what they're doing in their dorms, and
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they're in their classes, if they're going to class, if
they're going to breakfast. You're monitoring every single aspect of
these players' lives. This seems outlandish and outrageous to me.
Hold on, hold on, what else?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Love To be fair, I do have to give the
other site. On Saturday, Northwestern football players did issue a
statement denying any hazing and calling the allegations exaggerated and
twisted into lies. So again, this is a he said
versus he said incidents?
Speaker 4 (24:58):
What credt it wrong? The hiring outside law firm to investigate.
In the law firm confirmed right the reports, and then
I had that correct.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
There was confirmation of evidence of misconduct. Again, we don't
know the details as to how much was actually exactly
you know what happened, whether it was exaggerated, and how
much Pat Fitzgerald knew so.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Our colleague here at Fox Sports Radio, Rich Ornberger and
former NFL Offensive Alignment said it's a good tweet. It
kind of explains that I think hazing right. He said,
hazing is like alcohol. It's poison that can help build bonds.
When abuse, it can be destructive. There's a line, there's
some terrible stories about hazing, same as true adric alcohol,
like LaVar. We were part of NFL locker rooms, part
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of college locker rooms. There is hazing that I think
is totally fair, and I'm not even sure it's considered
a total a lot of hazing, but there are things
that I think you can do that bond players with
the reports in this story if true, that they're bonding nobody,
man Like, that's a problem, and it's a problem if
the coaching staff knew these stories, knew about these stories,
(26:05):
and did nothing about them, because that's not hazing, man Like,
you guys could go find the details of this. It's
a it's a it's not hazing, like it's right. I agree,
And we've both been in the locker rooms, like you know,
what is what is hazing?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Right?
Speaker 4 (26:19):
When when I was in a rookie, the NFL seventh
round draft pick, there was an older veteran player that
had the same agency as mill You probably played keytrick.
Vincent was a long time NFL off It's alignment, and
they said, hey, follow Kedrick around. And I learned a
lot from Kedrick my first year. But he was an
old school, old school guy.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And yeah it waswich.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah, like there was some there was some hazing happening
right some and but it was like that, right, like
bring me my stuff, right, go go get me. I
remember I used to pick up food as a as
a rookie on Thursdays for after meetings, and I would
get a big bucket of there's a place called Prices
Chicken Coop that had fried chicken we get for the offense.
I would get fifty pieces, right, and it would just
dump it into like a box, a legit box covered
(27:03):
with foil, and Kee's gonna make sure that I had
to take out four thighs and put them in a
separate bag. And then sometimes you take the back like
throw in the trash can, like screw you, shorts, you
didn't do it right, okay, whatever, man' that's like that's nothing, okay.
The Northwestern thing is way over the top. And the
thing that I questioned in this LeVar is the guy's
participating in this kind of weird, like what are we
(27:25):
doing and how is that?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And even if you're not participating, that's kind of weird
if you don't get involved, like if you understand the
locker room itself, there's so many different levels of where
this is. This is just wrong. It doesn't make it
doesn't add.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Up the hazing.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
They didn't win very many games though they were.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
One and eleven last year the hazy, which is why
I think coach is gonna be gone. But we get
that to the point. The point I think that we're
trying to make about hazing, and the one that the
Rich made is that it I know the word. When
you hear hazy, you think stories like this for the
most parts not like this, right, And they're used to
bond like it's it's tough for young guys to understand it,
but it's it's used as a way to bond, right, Yeah,
(28:07):
and when when it's not as bad as what happens
in Northwestern and so it can be used to really help, right,
can you use to help your team be closer, your
position group be closer when it's traditional like you said,
like go go get my breakfast sandwich looking right, or
go sing right, like go sing. I was terrified as
a young player can't sing a lick. I know you
(28:27):
come on every hour. I've seen I've heard you sing.
You're great, buddy. You probably know issue doing that. I
was terrified to sing in front of my teammates, like terrified.
So yeah, the thing like that bring players together. This
is Northwestern is not is not acceptable, and I think
coach will lose his job because you can't be one
(28:47):
and eleven and have stories like this. Eleven and one, Okay,
you maybe survive that one and eleven. Man, you're you're
you're not gonna stay around.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That's a tough one.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Man.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
That's a tough one because you could draw direct correlation
as to why they weren't winning. I mean, it's it's
a locker room divided seemingly, is what it sounds like.
But I don't know. I'm a big Pat Fitzgerald fan.
I don't know. I thought it was interesting. Maybe they're
giving him an opportunity because they gave him the suspension
(29:18):
early and immediately, so it's a two week non pay
suspension that started immediately, which means it's not even going
to impact him as a coach, Like it's not going
into the season, so this might be So do you
think they get rid of them now or do you
think they give them another go? I feel like they
give them another go, Like this is a this is
(29:39):
a one, proven, proven year for him.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
The one thing that I guess is going to be
interesting here is is Northwestern as a new president who's
not tied to pathas jailed at all. He's a former
it's actually a former president at Oregon, and he's only
a couple months off the job in Northwestern, and you know,
there's no this did not happen when he was in Orgon,
so he was not you know, suspending coaches in orchards.
I don't know what his previous your discipline schedule has
(30:04):
been like. But you know, again it comes down to
I think, how does the community feel about this? Right?
And then you know winning and losing, Like if you
fire him for cause, he's probably gonna sue you anyway.
So you do want to deal with that, right, Like,
what what reason do you have to fire him?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Then deal with the transfer portal?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
You deal with But you're one and eleven, like I love.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
But you still got to have a team that goes
on eleven.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
You know, so I think all those factors will be this.
I I don't know, man, if any of this is true.
And you made the point about is a college coach
a head coach you know what's happening in your building.
I do not believe as a college head coach you
do not know what's happening in your building with your players.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
You have to do.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
There's there's too many avenues to know what's happening. And
players also talk, right, and there are there are players
you know this, and coaches that kind of walk through
the locker room and they're sharing things upstairs. They probably
shouldn't share it, but they're you know, they're stitching around upstairs.
Like the coaches have players and staff members that help
him understand what's happening in the locker room. For him
(31:10):
not to know this, I think is.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Hey, Jeff, I'm gonna tell you straight like this, if
I wanted the dudes that got held down like that,
you're gonna know, yeah, you gonna yeah, and you know
what I mean like that ain't no oh they helped
me down and they they ran me or whatever the
terminology is. And I like, I'm not what you would well.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Think about it, too is I mean, I would imagine
some players try to fight back and like then so
then you get some some black.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
And blue there you go.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
So like you's a coach, I would imagine you know
what's happening.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
This is lawsuit material too. By the way, Yeah, this
isn't just like I'm gonna fight you like this is
some like we're gonna go where this is lawsuit.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
So I go back to the mindset of the players,
like why why how does this bond your team? Right?
And you can and I think you made the really
good point LeVar of saying like maybe this is why
they went one and eleven, right, Like how does bond
(32:11):
your team? Like paying? You know, having a rookie pay
for rookie dinner is a bonding experience. Everyone went through it.
You have a great time. It's a fellowship opportunity for
for for your for your position group. Like it's a yeah,
the rookie hates it whatever, but everyone did it. It's
not that bad for most guys, and you have a
great bonding experience, right, Like that's what Hazy I grew
(32:33):
up with, right, like not whatever this.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Is Yeah, I don't know, man, And we'll see how
it all plays out and pans out. It's it's obviously
this is It's not over.
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Speaker 2 (33:24):
I'll tell you who's probably up and wondering what they're
going to do or what's gonna happen next? Is Dalvin
Cook and DeAndre Hopkins. The watch is still on. They
remain unsigned. Let's get some you got some details on this,
mister Lee to Lap Do we have any type of
details on I do believe Dalvin Cook has been offered
(33:47):
but has actually turned down offers maybe or an offer.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Yes, reportedly he has turned down the offer, the current
offer from the Miami Dolphins. His agent has come out
and said the Jets are all in. So that's the
latest on Dalvin Cook. DeAndre Hopkins, we all know he's
visited New England and Tennessee. Reports are that Tennessee has
offered a much more aggressive offer to DeAndre Hopkins and
Kansas City is reportedly in talks with him, but has
(34:12):
not given an offer to DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Let's say you, Jeff Well, I'll it you know right now,
Kansas City is gonna offer you nothing. So if you
want to go put with the Chiefs, you'll get a
veteran deal that the Chiefs paid for a left tackle.
It paid Donald's ath four million dollars and they give
a bunch of incentives and that's what they'll do with
with with with DeAndre Hopkins. To me, you know, for
Hopkins especially, it's what do you want from your career
(34:36):
right now? Right because you have you've had a long career,
you've had a successful career, personally, what do you want
to how much winning do you want to do and
how much is it worth to you? Right, LeVar, because
he can get a deal on a bad football team
for more money, no question about it. Or he chased
a ring for less money. And and you know, guys
and at short parts of their career decide, you know what,
(34:58):
I'm gonna start ringing chasing. I made my money, and
there's you know, you always make more and another wrong
with with with with making money. But at some point
you say, Okay, I made my money, I'm gonna go
chase some rings. And if Hopkins want to chase a ring,
the Chiefs will have him at the price they want, right,
they have the When you're that good and people want
(35:18):
to come play for you, you get to kind of
choose how much you want to pay these guys. If
I were him at his point in his career, I
never I never won a championship. I don't know. If
I don't know, if you won, I would choose a championship,
and someone who never won one, I would choose one.
And so that's what I would do if I ran now.
Davin Cook is different situation. He's younger and maybe he'd
(35:38):
be more picky where he goes. But affortunate for him,
his position at running back is non valued like others.
He's not gonna see the money that that he thinks
he's gonna get, and he's gonna have to maybe accept
a lower deal and better on yourself, sign a smaller
deal for years wise, and and have a good year
and get out and find that big money somewhere. That's
(35:59):
what I would do if I were those guys. I
don't know where those places are for each of them. Again,
if Kin City wants you, if you're Hopkins man, I
don't know how you turn that down. You the best
quarterback in the NFL. You're gonna win or do you repeat?
I don't know, but you could sign a multi year
deal there. That's why I would choose Leavar. I'm not
in his shoes, obviously, that's what I would do.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I tend to agree with your thought process because the
one the one piece that just to add on to
what you said is that when you win championships, when
you've had a great career, a prolific career such as
DeAndre Hopkins has had, and you add a super Bowl
to that, that resume and you've played a part in it.
(36:41):
That equates to more money anyway in the end, right
on the flip side or the opposite side, the back
end of it. When you're coming out of the league
and you're looking at what you're going to do next,
people want to work with a winner. Yes, it's much
more difficult. I'll tell you. I'll speak from experience. Jeff
never want a championship. Just got just got into a
(37:05):
situation of note being a college football Hall of Famer.
But it's it's if you're not a Hall of Famer
with a gold jacket, you don't get as much work,
especially if you're in the work that I'm in, the
work we're in. They just it just tends to be
very scarce for people that haven't won, you know, draft picks, how.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
About win not a Hall of Famer, I know firsthand,
you got it way worse.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I mean, I can sit there and leverage number two
overall draft pick. But you know, but the thing about
it is is that I'm gonna still get trumped by
guys who have won Super Bowl, the guys who have
gone to the Hall of Fame. So to me, when
you think about people wanting to work with you want
to deal with you. It's because you're a winner, and
they identify with it, and they believe that other people
(37:53):
will identify with it as well, and that becomes successful
business for them in the end. And so if I'm there, Hopkins,
I'm looking at this opportunity as your one hundred percent
correct the super Bowl conversation becomes the conversation of note
of guys like DeAndre Hopkins. Oh, I had a prolific
(38:14):
career but couldn't get over the hump in Houston. Goes
to Arizona. You know, has a little injury deal. You
know it has a little performance enhancing suspension. Whatever. Things
kind of fell apart in the end and he's no
longer there. It was not a stay of note in Arizona.
So right now, your last memory as a pro football
(38:38):
player is not that of a glowing one, but it's
one of hunt didn't work out very well in Arizona.
So to me, to go to a situation where you
can find where you can find a quarterback and you
can find a coaching staff that understands what you got
going on your skill set, I think that that has
(38:59):
more value than getting a blockbuster money deal. And I
would say that for Dalvin Cook as well. I think
it exists. For Dalvin Cook, I think it's very intriguing
the New York Jets opportunity, and I find the Miami
Dolphins offered to be a very intriguing one, even though
he turned it down. I think he wants to to
(39:19):
kind of create a larger market for himself by not
just taking what's being offered to him. Right now, I
would ask you, do you think that that's a wise
move from Dalvin Cook to turn down a bird in
the hand and looking at other birds in the bushes.
In the bush so to.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Speak, I mean everyone. You know, again, every player is different.
It's very easy to deal for us to have hindsight
as retired players and say, hey, man, take less money
because it's a better situation. And I think in our
careers there were times when we could have maybe used
that same advice, but we didn't. And you know, for
Cook again, you know you're to me at his point
(39:59):
in his career, I would maximize, you know, opportunity to
showcase what I can do over money. And I get
there's a certain amount of money that is not negotiable.
I need to make this amount of money. I got
to make this amount of money to play football. I
get that, but play of players can get the situation.
It's a great spot to be and to know that
(40:21):
you have a minimum. But you know he's made looking
up right now, I mean he's made millions already, and
so I would chase opportunity. Man, I would chase the
Dolphins right now? Are you know are going to be
really good? I think this season? I don't think. I
think I know they're going to be good.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
You'd a very.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Creative offense with the ability to uh to do a
lot of things that benefit your your your skill sets.
And you have one good year there, you help them
win and you know they want to sign you back
or someone else looks at Dalvin and says, hey, man,
he can help us get to the place that we
want to be. So I would chase opportunity of our
the best opportunity for me, the best place to showcase
(41:02):
my ability, my skill. Trying to pull up right now,
he's his career so far, you know, Yeah, these are
online numbers. Up doesn't count some bonuses one out. He's
made thirty two million dollars so far in his career
six seasons, so I think I would chase the best
opportunity for me.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Which one would you chase between the Jets and the Dolphins.
It sounds like you're thinking Dolphins.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
I would take the Dolphins. Yeah, I am sort of
the same offense. But look, Nathan Hackett is the OC
for the Jets. He has not been a good offensive
coordinator when he has been in charge of an offense.
Skip me with that Blake Borno season. They were like
seventeenth on offense that year. That's it. Okay, one year
they were sort of good an offense. When he's been
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the OC, Michae McDaniel can can call game man. We
saw that last year. I think I would chase. I
would go to the Dolphins. The Jets offensive line might
be slightly better if healthy, but you saw the results
last year of of what you can do. Plus if
you go to the Jets, I mean, when Bruce Hall
comes back, he's their guy. They drafted him, like you
(42:06):
know you're gonna play till the other guy comes back.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, makes sense. I just don't know if two is
going to stay healthy. That's that's the only absolutely issue.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
You have to learn how to fall. That's not great,
But can you right, like, well, you have to learn.
I agree, man, I mean he got to the concussions.
The conussions happens many different ways, so it's not one
way they happened. They weren't vicious hits. He just fell
backwards on his head.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Hey, those are the ones.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
You have to find a way to protect yourself better.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah, well, there you go.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
All right, Jeff Victor winmbin Yama, he had a better game,
felt pretty good, put up, put up over twenty points,
had some rebounds, was ding up and you know what.
This is what he had to say after the game.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
First of all, the court is more open. It's going fast,
but it's it's less physical. And uh, I get followed,
love but not as much. Nothing to compare. And people here,
people players are just flying, you know. Out there, it's
more underground, pushing on the ground, big buxs house.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Here.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It's great athletes, the best in the world, more way,
more talent. But I like this better though.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Very interesting, very interesting. Indeed, Jeffy just called us soft.
Basically American NBA basketball players they don't have to, they
don't follow. But gay, what was your takeaway from it?
Obviously the topic set is does the NBA need Victor
winbin Yama to be a megastar? And I'll just start
(01:16):
off by saying, yeah, they do, but but what what's
your take on it?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yes they do, it'd be great if he was right
because of his talent. You obviously want the most talented
players to have the great careers because that's obviously what
kind of sort of carries your league. Look, look what's
happening with Lebron for so many years, right and Jordan
before that, Patrick Mahomes the NFL, Tom Brady before that.
You want the best players, the most talented players to
(01:41):
be the to be the best. And and after Lebron leaves,
they don't need someone else. They'll need someone else to
be that guy. I've thought about this, LeVar. Who is
it if Lebron were to retire tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Who is the guy in the NBA right now? Who
you would say is the who carries the league? It's
Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, right, I think we right?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
You know what's crazy, Jeff, I, in my mind felt
like John Morant was on the trajectory was to be's
a megastar in the face of this league, even with
those names you just named.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
He was if his team set aside the personal issues.
But your team has to win championships for that to
happen as well, So I don't know if his team
was was quite ready for that. Yet they were I
think they were closer people thought obviously with the injuries.
They were injured basically two years of the row in
the playoffs, right if they had the success on the court, certainly,
(02:39):
I think most agree that was sort of the path.
But obviously now we'll find out how he is after
a suspension. He was on that path. So there really
is not another young guy right who You're like, yeah,
that that guy was supposed to be Zion could have
been Yeah, it's not him yet.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Could he could have been Tatum? And we could say
we could say Yiannis into the Kompo, you know, because yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
But you know, part of it is that the personal
and the honest personality I think was really good. He
doesn't share it very often. I don't enough to, like,
you know, Lebron obviously all everything he was able to
do as a young player, but also sort of have
that personality to embrace that it needs to be Victor now,
is it gonna be? He seems very mature, He's played
(03:23):
a lot of basketball and he's gonna be really good.
You saw the improvement from Game one where he's like,
I don't know, I don't even feel like I've ever
played basketball before the Game two. But I think the
NBA needs is gonna need that from him, because they're
gonna need someone after Lebron has done to be that guy,
and right now, I don't think it's anyone young. I mean,
(03:44):
obviously Curry and KD can be those guys for a
little bit, but they're gonna need someone else, and I
think they hope it's Victor.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah. I mean, just looking at the way they brought
him in right the build up to the draft, the
way he was drafted, the way then and the experts
spoke about wm bin Yama, I feel as though it
one hundred percent is in their plans and it's in
their best interest for Victor to be that mega to
(04:15):
develop into that megastar. Look, Jordan didn't get championships very
quickly early on in his career either. Lebron didn't get
them very quickly early on in his career either. But
if you get that build up, if you get that
build up for what he can be and what he
can represent to your league, I just wonder he kind
(04:35):
of gives me. He kind of gives me Tim And
it's weird that he plays for the Spurs, but he
kind of gives me Tim Duncan vibes like kind of
laid back, you know, his his his style of play.
Almost in a lot of ways, he almost looks like
a taller version of Tim Duncan out there, which that's
crazy to say, but it's almost like you're looking at
(04:56):
Tim Duncan reincarnated. And I don't know if that's an
off as a megastar, but I'm thinking that they're hoping
and praying that it is.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I mean, did you see the picture that was posted
shortly after he goes drafted. He was with Tim Duncan
and David Robinson, and he made both those guys look small,
like he's still a large human. And and look, he's
playing obviously with a coach who's who's developed many superstars
over the years, who's developed many superstars that are non
American either, right, which is you know, I know that
(05:29):
really matters too much here, but there's a track record
of them developing foreign players. So and so I think
that Parkers, I think that's he's a good place to be.
They've won a lot. They've won a lot there and
obviously not with this team, but the staff has won
a lot, and so it's a good place for him
to for him to develop. And and this year, I
don't think the Spurs will asked a ton of them.
And so year one, I think you're gonna look at
(05:50):
a team that might not try to win very much
again to get more players around Victor, because San Antonio
is not a free agent spot. You got to have
to draft your players. And there's a chance that he becomes,
you know, the superstar of the NBA. I mean, look,
when you watch a guy who can shoot a three
and follow that up by dunking his put back or
(06:11):
like you know what I mean, Like, there's there's a
capability to be that player in the NBA. And and
I think I think also what makes it unique is
that Lebron I think, at a young age, understood that.
And obviously the height for Lebron started in high school,
Soho's always been in the spotlight. But I think Victor
understands that at least when you hear him talk and
and how mature he is and how ready he seems
(06:33):
for this moment. So it's good, I think LeVar that
he understands that as well, that I have this I'm
the next guy up, and I need to be ready
when it's my time.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, I totally agree with that, and I'm very interested
to see how how it all unfolds for Victor and
even for the Spurs, and just how he will integrate
because we all know this is summer league. So whether
he has an impressive summer league or it's underwhelming, it
(07:03):
really doesn't matter. It's summer league. These are all guys
that are new to the league. They're in the in
the game and trying to make their way. You'll find
out what he's really made of when it gets the
regular season. So to talk about well they don't foul
as much in the court is wide open.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Okay, Well, in the regular.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Season before we get don't we.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Want guys to be honest. LeVar like, don't. It's ask
about athletes, right, like, hey, man, just tell us how
you feel. And so he's saying he's talking about playing
now and I'm sure it's first NBA game when he plays,
you know the schedule, when he plays someone who is
just gonna push him the back, he's gonna fall over,
like he'll get used to it. But right we ask
these athletes say, hey, be honest, man, tell us how
(07:46):
you feel. And when he and when when they do,
we walk them forward. So it's just the way it works.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well. I appreciate you, Jeff, for sitting in here with
me and us doing what we're doing, and then you know,
making this thing work. And speaking of making it work, well,
Damian Lillard, he tried to make it work in Portland
and it just didn't seem to pan out the way
that young Dame may have wanted it to. His loyalties
(08:13):
have run out, time has run out, and now we
are on the Dame Lillard watch. Problem is we're watching
to see if he can make it to one team.
I know you've been paying attention to this. This has
to be a creative approach in order for Dame Lillard
(08:33):
to end up in Miami. Because quite frankly, what you
want you want hero, who do you want from Miami?
In exchange? Jimmy Butler? Might work? But why would you
do that? What happens? What needs to happen for Damian
Lillard to end up being in Miami? And if he
(08:54):
doesn't end up in Miami, Jeff, what does this mean
for Damian Lillard? What does this mean for the Portland's Trailblazers?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
What do NBA players sit out when they're not traded.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I mean he's saying he's going to sit out if
he or don't let me say he's saying that. I
believe I've read that somewhere that it was reported or
stated that there's two things. One, if he's traded for
for the wrong team that he doesn't want to go to,
you will have a very very very unhappy Damian.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Little right, very very oh very very unhappy.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And if if a trade doesn't take place, he's willing
to sit out until Portland shows that they're going in
the right direction to win a championship.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
This feels very NFL ish, right, like players stand off
and Portland's like, yeah, I don't know, we want a
lot for you, and if we don't get it, we're
not going to trade you. And when you have a
situation where publicly everyone knows it's just one team he
just wants to play for the Heat, then you know,
then the stresses on the Heat this happen and Portland
(10:02):
what they want four first round picks and two quality
players for Lillard. I mean that's quite a haul to
give anybody for any player. And you have to think,
if you're Miami, is Lillard enough to win win a championship? Right, Like,
that's the question. If you're trading, Let's say you give
them what they want, the four first round picks and
(10:23):
the two quality players. Is Lillard and Butler and who's
ever left over? I assume BAM's not going anywhere, but
maybe he is part of the trade. But let's say
that's those three guys, right, Bam, Jimmy and Dame. Is
that enough to win a championship? If you think it is,
I probably make the trade right the goals to win championships.
If you don't. If you're not doing that, then you
(10:46):
know the Heat aren't accomplishing what they're setting out to
do each year. If you don't think that, then just
lavarn you don't make the trade, right, Like, if you think, okay,
we lose the two quality players and our draft picks
and we cannot put enough around the two core guys
to win a champion then if you're if you're the Heat,
I don't. I don't know how you can do that
at that at that price that Portland wants. So the
standoff is gonna happen for a while. I think until
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either one budget or if Portland decides, hey, we're trading
somewhere else. What recourse does. Does does Damian have if
he gets trade somewhere he doesn't want to.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Go, is to be unhappy?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Okay, well sorry, one player in the NBA's unhappy. It's
never been done before, No, I no pro athletes had
to go play for a team that they didn't really
want to play for and do their job for an
organization they didn't feel it was loyal to them, or
they didn't like like. He'd be the first person in
all sports to ever do that. He's gonna end up
in Miami. We don't know this.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I mean, it's what happens in the NBA, right, I mean,
when when the lines are drawn and these things take place,
it seems as though that's what happens, is that the
player ends up in the place where they wanted to go.
I mean, we've seen it happen with Anthony Davis. We've
seen it happen with guys like Carmelo Anthony. We've seen
it happen. But what I'm very curious about here is, again,
(12:03):
there's going to have to be some creativity in how
he ends up in Miami. There's gonna have to be
another team involved or another two teams involved in order
for this to take place, because quite frankly, there just
isn't enough. To me and my assessment of it, there's
not enough. There's not enough assets that that Portland would
(12:24):
want from from Miami to make this happen.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Well, I think it depends also on what the goal
of Portland in the trade is, right, because if the
goal of Portland is, Okay, we're gonna get players to
sort of rebuild the retool around and hope those draft
picks we get can get us in a better round
of shoot next year. Yeah, but you need more than
(12:48):
scut obviously, of course, and he's you know, most again
the NBA, there's sort of a pattern, right, like you
need to have your superstar three twenty seven, twenty eight
years old before they win, right. A lot of guys
aren't winning at that at that younger age, and it
takes some time to lord how to play playoff basketball
and get your team together and get many physically tougher
and mentally tougher to win those championships. So it's about
(13:11):
if it's Portland gonna go for it soon or they
want to use the players they've acquired to help scoot
you know, mature. And then also the draft picks, use
those guys to trade up and get you know, because
my Memmon's draft picks aren't gonna be great. You're not
gonna be the top of the draft. So are you
using them the package to get up and get better
players and kind of in three or four years get going,
(13:32):
or is you're trying to win now. If you're trying
to win now, you you know, you might need a
third team in this right to get some some better.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
They were trying to win right now, then Dame Lillard
wouldn't be trying to get the hell up out of there, right.
I mean, he's been loyal to the team. He shunned
other trade offers or opportunities that could have possibly presented
himself for him to get out of there. He's said
he stayed loyal to the soil and it hasn't worked
out that way. And it doesn't look as though Portland
(13:58):
has made real moves. I mean, that's a great draft pick,
but they haven't made real real moves. Yeah, that would
would lead you to believe that they're going to be
a team that is, you know, competitive to make it
to this to the finals.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yes, the most difficult part for a lot of NBA
teams is that you're not going to get the free
agents that when your championships come into your town. Right, Like,
Portland is not going to be a destination for a
lot of players, and so they have guy to hit
home runs on draft picks. They have to do that.
Now you can add you know, veterans and mid level
(14:34):
players that they want to chase championships to your team.
But you're never gonna get that that pairing with Lillard
that he thought he was going to get unless you
hit on your draft picks. That's the only way that
happens to Portland, and that didn't happen, and that's why
he wants out Right, It's like, it's not that they
don't want to win, it's that you have to win
sort of one way. Miami you don't have to do that.
(14:55):
You get free agents, you have the ability to attract
high profile talent in Miami. You can't do that.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
In Portland, right, Yeah, I mean that makes a lot
of sense, It really does. And you know, I think
this is an interesting one because I don't believe they
become the favorite to win it in the East if
he were to go to Miami. However, I will say this,
(15:23):
they were very competitive Miami was in that championship round.
And then the question I asked myself, if they have
a Dame Damian Lillard that's playing on that team, is
that enough for them to get into that and when
that series?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Probably not against the Nuggets. But again, if you're playing
the Bucks, right, let's say the Bucks returned.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
To wasn't injured, is that enough?
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Because Miami at times Butler was a little injured in
that in that championship series, that right, just his ankles
beat up, So they didn't really have that that in
that series, that closure type guy, which is what Lillard
would be for them, right, And so you add those
points in there, and in terms of a different team,
(16:16):
I think Denver was so good this year. You just
you weren't beating them right, right, even with look or
it might have been a seven game series, but you
weren't winning that series. But then if you look at
the East moving forward, you know what's Boston going to
look like come trade deadline, not come trading on the line,
but come kind of fre agency in training and whatnot
and figuring out their roster obviously, the Bucks I think
(16:36):
with Gianni's being healthy, they're much different team obviously, and
then the Sixers. I know one really ever buys the
six Ers a team like You're up at the top
of the East at least right with lower there, I
think people would wager on you to win the East
with lower there. But to the point we've be making,
is that enough to win a championship?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Right?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Enough to win a championship?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I just know, I trust, I believe in. I'm a
pat Rally fan, and I don't know. I just feel
like he's figured it out with what they have. If
you have a Dame Lillard, I'm not counting them out.
That's that's what I would say. But you know that's
just one man's over.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Pat Rally has been in like twenty five percent of
NBA finals as a player, a coach, player, coach and executive.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Crazy Crazy Right.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
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Speaker 2 (17:36):
Jeff Schwartz, How you feeling, Man.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I am good, man. You know, it's every day it's
a step closer to the football. So I look at the summer.
Every day's a step closer to the football, and uh,
we's gonna be here before we know it. You know,
media days for college football beginning about two weeks of
being in Vegas in two weeks covering the Pac twelve,
and uh yeah, it's most like football. Man, it's coming soon.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Man, I was like football. I was just wondering how
you feel in terms of what time it is your
body clock, is your mind working? Are you feeling good?
Like this is an early time slot, how you feeling.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
You feel it's not. I mean, I got young kids, man,
I'm up at six thirty, so you're always up in
I'm good. I am. I've turned into more of a
morning personally. I was yesterday's old people stuff. Yeah. I
flew back from Dallas yesterday and I feel like, in
the point of my life for I'd rather just take
the early morning flight and just get home. I'll wake
up early, I'll get home too, I won't have to
(18:33):
worry about Typically, the earlier fights of the day don't
have delays, and if they are delayed, you know, beforehand, right,
and like you just you get to the airport. I
got to be yesterday at five. I just got to
the airport. I got home. I got to take a
nap if I get home. Like it's just I'm at
the point of my life where morning are fine, but
to been less than nine, Like I was like, ah, ill,
(18:54):
guess my day's over. Going to bed now, I'm fine
with it. It's okay.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You know what time I was in bed yesterday, no joking.
I was in the bed at five forty five.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, but you're on the West coast, so I mean
that's it's the same as me and nine.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I thought I was taking a nap to get up
and just like be up and then go take a
quick nap. Like I'm a napper. I'm not a sleeper.
Like even when I go overnight, it's I'm a napper,
Like I never sleep, Like I'll never go from like
nine ten pm till noon the next day. I can't
make it. I just won't make it. My my bladder
(19:31):
doesn't agree with that, Like my body doesn't agree with that.
Nothing agrees with me staying in bed as like an
eight nine hour sleeper. I just can't do it, you know,
so I don't know. It kind of works up, you know,
it works out the way that it's supposed to work out,
and you get up and you know, you do what
you gotta do. But yeah, I was just making sure
you were all right.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Man.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I am, I am. I am ready to go.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Man.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
If you if you sent your kids ever to sleep
Boy camp, because my youngest son, my youngest son, my
only son, my my oldest kid is at Sleepway camp
right now, it is odd like him not being in.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
The house though. Yeah, no I haven't. I've never done
week now. I'm not in charge of those things though,
you know that's not that's.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Not I'm not in charge. Yeah, make that decision.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah I don't. Yeah, you said, have I ever? I
wouldn't even be, Like, I wouldn't even know what the
name of it is until they told me that this
is what's taking place, this is what's happening, Like you're
going to drive and you're paying for it, Like all right, yeah,
all those things, I'm done. Okay, it's had enough, all right. Yeah,
So I've never been a part of that, but I
would assume that that's pretty fun though, you know, I mean,
(20:35):
if there are they all at sleep away cap.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
No, my son is my daughter is too young for that.
But it's weird, like waking up in the morning and
he's just not there. That's the only part it's odd
right now for me. Otherwise, dude, he seems like they
could play for twelve hours of the day and go
to sleep. I mean it's like for the best time
of his life.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah. Well, you know that's what happens when your daddy's
a big time football player. That's that's what it was.
That's how it works, man. And speaking, a big time
football player, not in the most flattering ways of a
story and to kind of transition into it, and someone
that I am I have a tremendous affinity for and
and respect for, Pat Fitzgerald finds himself in a little
(21:18):
bit of a situation here Schwartze and I just you know,
there's an investigation going on into the Northwestern football team
hazing how much did Pat Fitzgerald know? How much you know,
was was let go? All these different things that are
being discussed. I believe a former player just recently came
(21:42):
out and discussed in fact, you know what I don't
want to do. I can't do it. Any justice lead, Like,
can you can you give us like the details of
this so that that we have a clear understanding of
what's going on.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Sure, a lot of moving parts here, but chronologically this
is kind of how it went down. On Friday, Northwestern
suspended Pat Fitzgerald for two weeks unpaid after the investigation
found evidence to support the claim of problematic conduct, that
being hazing. Well over the weekend, a player who wanted
to be anonymous came to the Daily Northwestern.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Which that's always pretty interesting. I want to be anonymous
while I dive out and talk about every single thing.
I wonder did this player make it to the pros
that were they a starter or did they feel as
though they were done the wrong way? I mean, there's
always something connected to when you want to be anonymous,
but go ahead, go ahead. Well.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
In the allegations, he included coerced sexual acts and claims
that coach Fitzgerald may have had knowledge of the hazing
activities or at least should have known of these activities.
These activities, without getting too into the details because some
of it is graphic, included a practice called running, which
involved younger players being.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Well, again, I won't go into it, but the running
tied up, well not literally tied up, but just you know,
held down.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
When I read this story, I was very confused why
I did not expect running to be what was put
in the article like that.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'm with you on that.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
The Daily Northwestern claims they received photos of a whiteboard
that was put in the middle of the locker room
which included runnings, givings, and the shreks list for Christmas vacation.
So these were times when they would be hazing the
young freshmen.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
It just seems like really outlandish to me, Like you
got a whiteboard in the middle of the locker room.
I mean, so are the coaches so detached from what's
going on in the locker room that they don't and listen,
I went to Penn State, so be clear in terms
(23:49):
of not knowing, you know what I mean, Like I
have gone through the Ring of Ringers in terms of
not like the whole idea of not knowing. But I
will say this, as a player that was there and
was coached by Jerry Sandusky, I did not know what
was going on with the actions of a coach. But
(24:12):
I find this to be very, very different in terms
of context because coaches are supposed to know exactly what's
going on with their players, and not just the locker room.
I mean, that's the closest, easiest place to monitor your kids.
You gotta know what they're doing in their dorms, and
(24:33):
they're in their classes, if they're going to class, if
they're going to breakfast. You're monitoring every single aspect of
these players' lives. This seems outlandish and outrageous to me.
Hold on, hold on, what else?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Love To be fair, I do have to give the
other site. On Saturday, Northwestern football players did issue a
statement denying any hazing and calling the allegations exaggerated and
twisted into lies. So again, this is a he said
versus he said incidents?
Speaker 4 (24:58):
What credt it wrong? The hiring outside law firm to investigate.
In the law firm confirmed right the reports, and then
I had that correct.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
There was confirmation of evidence of misconduct. Again, we don't
know the details as to how much was actually exactly
you know what happened, whether it was exaggerated, and how
much Pat Fitzgerald knew so.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Our colleague here at Fox Sports Radio, Rich Ornberger and
former NFL Offensive Alignment said it's a good tweet. It
kind of explains that I think hazing right. He said,
hazing is like alcohol. It's poison that can help build bonds.
When abuse, it can be destructive. There's a line, there's
some terrible stories about hazing, same as true adric alcohol,
like LaVar. We were part of NFL locker rooms, part
(25:43):
of college locker rooms. There is hazing that I think
is totally fair, and I'm not even sure it's considered
a total a lot of hazing, but there are things
that I think you can do that bond players with
the reports in this story if true, that they're bonding nobody,
man Like, that's a problem, and it's a problem if
the coaching staff knew these stories, knew about these stories,
(26:05):
and did nothing about them, because that's not hazing, man Like,
you guys could go find the details of this. It's
a it's a it's not hazing, like it's right. I agree,
And we've both been in the locker rooms, like you know,
what is what is hazing?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Right?
Speaker 4 (26:19):
When when I was in a rookie, the NFL seventh
round draft pick, there was an older veteran player that
had the same agency as mill You probably played keytrick.
Vincent was a long time NFL off It's alignment, and
they said, hey, follow Kedrick around. And I learned a
lot from Kedrick my first year. But he was an
old school, old school guy.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And yeah it waswich.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah, like there was some there was some hazing happening
right some and but it was like that, right, like
bring me my stuff, right, go go get me. I
remember I used to pick up food as a as
a rookie on Thursdays for after meetings, and I would
get a big bucket of there's a place called Prices
Chicken Coop that had fried chicken we get for the offense.
I would get fifty pieces, right, and it would just
dump it into like a box, a legit box covered
(27:03):
with foil, and Kee's gonna make sure that I had
to take out four thighs and put them in a
separate bag. And then sometimes you take the back like
throw in the trash can, like screw you, shorts, you
didn't do it right, okay, whatever, man' that's like that's nothing, okay.
The Northwestern thing is way over the top. And the
thing that I questioned in this LeVar is the guy's
participating in this kind of weird, like what are we
(27:25):
doing and how is that?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And even if you're not participating, that's kind of weird
if you don't get involved, like if you understand the
locker room itself, there's so many different levels of where
this is. This is just wrong. It doesn't make it
doesn't add.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Up the hazing.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
They didn't win very many games though they were.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
One and eleven last year the hazy, which is why
I think coach is gonna be gone. But we get
that to the point. The point I think that we're
trying to make about hazing, and the one that the
Rich made is that it I know the word. When
you hear hazy, you think stories like this for the
most parts not like this, right, And they're used to
bond like it's it's tough for young guys to understand it,
but it's it's used as a way to bond, right, Yeah,
(28:07):
and when when it's not as bad as what happens
in Northwestern and so it can be used to really help, right,
can you use to help your team be closer, your
position group be closer when it's traditional like you said,
like go go get my breakfast sandwich looking right, or
go sing right, like go sing. I was terrified as
a young player can't sing a lick. I know you
(28:27):
come on every hour. I've seen I've heard you sing.
You're great, buddy. You probably know issue doing that. I
was terrified to sing in front of my teammates, like terrified.
So yeah, the thing like that bring players together. This
is Northwestern is not is not acceptable, and I think
coach will lose his job because you can't be one
(28:47):
and eleven and have stories like this. Eleven and one, Okay,
you maybe survive that one and eleven. Man, you're you're
you're not gonna stay around.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That's a tough one.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Man.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
That's a tough one because you could draw direct correlation
as to why they weren't winning. I mean, it's it's
a locker room divided seemingly, is what it sounds like.
But I don't know. I'm a big Pat Fitzgerald fan.
I don't know. I thought it was interesting. Maybe they're
giving him an opportunity because they gave him the suspension
(29:18):
early and immediately, so it's a two week non pay
suspension that started immediately, which means it's not even going
to impact him as a coach, Like it's not going
into the season, so this might be So do you
think they get rid of them now or do you
think they give them another go? I feel like they
give them another go, Like this is a this is
(29:39):
a one, proven, proven year for him.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
The one thing that I guess is going to be
interesting here is is Northwestern as a new president who's
not tied to pathas jailed at all. He's a former
it's actually a former president at Oregon, and he's only
a couple months off the job in Northwestern, and you know,
there's no this did not happen when he was in Orgon,
so he was not you know, suspending coaches in orchards.
I don't know what his previous your discipline schedule has
(30:04):
been like. But you know, again it comes down to
I think, how does the community feel about this? Right?
And then you know winning and losing, Like if you
fire him for cause, he's probably gonna sue you anyway.
So you do want to deal with that, right, Like,
what what reason do you have to fire him?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Then deal with the transfer portal?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
You deal with But you're one and eleven, like I love.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
But you still got to have a team that goes
on eleven.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
You know, so I think all those factors will be this.
I I don't know, man, if any of this is true.
And you made the point about is a college coach
a head coach you know what's happening in your building.
I do not believe as a college head coach you
do not know what's happening in your building with your players.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
You have to do.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
There's there's too many avenues to know what's happening. And
players also talk, right, and there are there are players
you know this, and coaches that kind of walk through
the locker room and they're sharing things upstairs. They probably
shouldn't share it, but they're you know, they're stitching around upstairs.
Like the coaches have players and staff members that help
him understand what's happening in the locker room. For him
(31:10):
not to know this, I think is.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Hey, Jeff, I'm gonna tell you straight like this, if
I wanted the dudes that got held down like that,
you're gonna know, yeah, you gonna yeah, and you know
what I mean like that ain't no oh they helped
me down and they they ran me or whatever the
terminology is. And I like, I'm not what you would well.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Think about it, too is I mean, I would imagine
some players try to fight back and like then so
then you get some some black.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
And blue there you go.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
So like you's a coach, I would imagine you know
what's happening.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
This is lawsuit material too. By the way, Yeah, this
isn't just like I'm gonna fight you like this is
some like we're gonna go where this is lawsuit.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
So I go back to the mindset of the players,
like why why how does this bond your team? Right?
And you can and I think you made the really
good point LeVar of saying like maybe this is why
they went one and eleven, right, Like how does bond
(32:11):
your team? Like paying? You know, having a rookie pay
for rookie dinner is a bonding experience. Everyone went through it.
You have a great time. It's a fellowship opportunity for
for for your for your position group. Like it's a yeah,
the rookie hates it whatever, but everyone did it. It's
not that bad for most guys, and you have a
great bonding experience, right, Like that's what Hazy I grew
(32:33):
up with, right, like not whatever this.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Is Yeah, I don't know, man, And we'll see how
it all plays out and pans out. It's it's obviously
this is It's not over.
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Speaker 2 (33:24):
I'll tell you who's probably up and wondering what they're
going to do or what's gonna happen next? Is Dalvin
Cook and DeAndre Hopkins. The watch is still on. They
remain unsigned. Let's get some you got some details on this,
mister Lee to Lap Do we have any type of
details on I do believe Dalvin Cook has been offered
(33:47):
but has actually turned down offers maybe or an offer.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Yes, reportedly he has turned down the offer, the current
offer from the Miami Dolphins. His agent has come out
and said the Jets are all in. So that's the
latest on Dalvin Cook. DeAndre Hopkins, we all know he's
visited New England and Tennessee. Reports are that Tennessee has
offered a much more aggressive offer to DeAndre Hopkins and
Kansas City is reportedly in talks with him, but has
(34:12):
not given an offer to DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Let's say you, Jeff Well, I'll it you know right now,
Kansas City is gonna offer you nothing. So if you
want to go put with the Chiefs, you'll get a
veteran deal that the Chiefs paid for a left tackle.
It paid Donald's ath four million dollars and they give
a bunch of incentives and that's what they'll do with
with with with DeAndre Hopkins. To me, you know, for
Hopkins especially, it's what do you want from your career
(34:36):
right now? Right because you have you've had a long career,
you've had a successful career, personally, what do you want
to how much winning do you want to do and
how much is it worth to you? Right, LeVar, because
he can get a deal on a bad football team
for more money, no question about it. Or he chased
a ring for less money. And and you know, guys
and at short parts of their career decide, you know what,
(34:58):
I'm gonna start ringing chasing. I made my money, and
there's you know, you always make more and another wrong
with with with with making money. But at some point
you say, Okay, I made my money, I'm gonna go
chase some rings. And if Hopkins want to chase a ring,
the Chiefs will have him at the price they want, right,
they have the When you're that good and people want
(35:18):
to come play for you, you get to kind of
choose how much you want to pay these guys. If
I were him at his point in his career, I
never I never won a championship. I don't know. If
I don't know, if you won, I would choose a championship,
and someone who never won one, I would choose one.
And so that's what I would do if I ran now.
Davin Cook is different situation. He's younger and maybe he'd
(35:38):
be more picky where he goes. But affortunate for him,
his position at running back is non valued like others.
He's not gonna see the money that that he thinks
he's gonna get, and he's gonna have to maybe accept
a lower deal and better on yourself, sign a smaller
deal for years wise, and and have a good year
and get out and find that big money somewhere. That's
(35:59):
what I would do if I were those guys. I
don't know where those places are for each of them. Again,
if Kin City wants you, if you're Hopkins man, I
don't know how you turn that down. You the best
quarterback in the NFL. You're gonna win or do you repeat?
I don't know, but you could sign a multi year
deal there. That's why I would choose Leavar. I'm not
in his shoes, obviously, that's what I would do.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I tend to agree with your thought process because the
one the one piece that just to add on to
what you said is that when you win championships, when
you've had a great career, a prolific career such as
DeAndre Hopkins has had, and you add a super Bowl
to that, that resume and you've played a part in it.
(36:41):
That equates to more money anyway in the end, right
on the flip side or the opposite side, the back
end of it. When you're coming out of the league
and you're looking at what you're going to do next,
people want to work with a winner. Yes, it's much
more difficult. I'll tell you. I'll speak from experience. Jeff
never want a championship. Just got just got into a
(37:05):
situation of note being a college football Hall of Famer.
But it's it's if you're not a Hall of Famer
with a gold jacket, you don't get as much work,
especially if you're in the work that I'm in, the
work we're in. They just it just tends to be
very scarce for people that haven't won, you know, draft picks, how.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
About win not a Hall of Famer, I know firsthand,
you got it way worse.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I mean, I can sit there and leverage number two
overall draft pick. But you know, but the thing about
it is is that I'm gonna still get trumped by
guys who have won Super Bowl, the guys who have
gone to the Hall of Fame. So to me, when
you think about people wanting to work with you want
to deal with you. It's because you're a winner, and
they identify with it, and they believe that other people
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will identify with it as well, and that becomes successful
business for them in the end. And so if I'm there, Hopkins,
I'm looking at this opportunity as your one hundred percent
correct the super Bowl conversation becomes the conversation of note
of guys like DeAndre Hopkins. Oh, I had a prolific
(38:14):
career but couldn't get over the hump in Houston. Goes
to Arizona. You know, has a little injury deal. You
know it has a little performance enhancing suspension. Whatever. Things
kind of fell apart in the end and he's no
longer there. It was not a stay of note in Arizona.
So right now, your last memory as a pro football
(38:38):
player is not that of a glowing one, but it's
one of hunt didn't work out very well in Arizona.
So to me, to go to a situation where you
can find where you can find a quarterback and you
can find a coaching staff that understands what you got
going on your skill set, I think that that has
(38:59):
more value than getting a blockbuster money deal. And I
would say that for Dalvin Cook as well. I think
it exists. For Dalvin Cook, I think it's very intriguing
the New York Jets opportunity, and I find the Miami
Dolphins offered to be a very intriguing one, even though
he turned it down. I think he wants to to
(39:19):
kind of create a larger market for himself by not
just taking what's being offered to him. Right now, I
would ask you, do you think that that's a wise
move from Dalvin Cook to turn down a bird in
the hand and looking at other birds in the bushes.
In the bush so to.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Speak, I mean everyone. You know, again, every player is different.
It's very easy to deal for us to have hindsight
as retired players and say, hey, man, take less money
because it's a better situation. And I think in our
careers there were times when we could have maybe used
that same advice, but we didn't. And you know, for
Cook again, you know you're to me at his point
(39:59):
in his career, I would maximize, you know, opportunity to
showcase what I can do over money. And I get
there's a certain amount of money that is not negotiable.
I need to make this amount of money. I got
to make this amount of money to play football. I
get that, but play of players can get the situation.
It's a great spot to be and to know that
(40:21):
you have a minimum. But you know he's made looking
up right now, I mean he's made millions already, and
so I would chase opportunity. Man, I would chase the
Dolphins right now? Are you know are going to be
really good? I think this season? I don't think. I
think I know they're going to be good.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
You'd a very.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Creative offense with the ability to uh to do a
lot of things that benefit your your your skill sets.
And you have one good year there, you help them
win and you know they want to sign you back
or someone else looks at Dalvin and says, hey, man,
he can help us get to the place that we
want to be. So I would chase opportunity of our
the best opportunity for me, the best place to showcase
(41:02):
my ability, my skill. Trying to pull up right now,
he's his career so far, you know, Yeah, these are
online numbers. Up doesn't count some bonuses one out. He's
made thirty two million dollars so far in his career
six seasons, so I think I would chase the best
opportunity for me.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Which one would you chase between the Jets and the Dolphins.
It sounds like you're thinking Dolphins.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
I would take the Dolphins. Yeah, I am sort of
the same offense. But look, Nathan Hackett is the OC
for the Jets. He has not been a good offensive
coordinator when he has been in charge of an offense.
Skip me with that Blake Borno season. They were like
seventeenth on offense that year. That's it. Okay, one year
they were sort of good an offense. When he's been
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the OC, Michae McDaniel can can call game man. We
saw that last year. I think I would chase. I
would go to the Dolphins. The Jets offensive line might
be slightly better if healthy, but you saw the results
last year of of what you can do. Plus if
you go to the Jets, I mean, when Bruce Hall
comes back, he's their guy. They drafted him, like you
(42:06):
know you're gonna play till the other guy comes back.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, makes sense. I just don't know if two is
going to stay healthy. That's that's the only absolutely issue.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
You have to learn how to fall. That's not great,
But can you right, like, well, you have to learn.
I agree, man, I mean he got to the concussions.
The conussions happens many different ways, so it's not one
way they happened. They weren't vicious hits. He just fell
backwards on his head.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Hey, those are the ones.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
You have to find a way to protect yourself better.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah, well, there you go.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
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