July 12, 2023 • 50 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, DeAndre Hopkins suitors continue to low ball the big name free agent. LaVar and Geoff discuss the fall of Dan Snyder. The Old P, Petros Papadakis joins the guys to bag on Vegas, Disneyland and the Pac-12. All that and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
So, Jeff, we were talking before we went to break
about DeAndre Hopkins and the idea possibly taking less money. UH.
The Buffalo Bills have reportedly shown interest and and and
basically said they would love to have DeAndre Hopkins be
a part of the team. Now, the first thing that
(00:34):
I thought about immediately upon seeing this article was one,
you know, things still aren't at ease or at rest settled.
Put put the bid with UH, with Diggs, with Stefan Diggs,
and and so you start to think to yourself, well,
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you got DeAndre Hopkins out there, you still got to
pay Stefon Diggs is money, and he's obviously, you know,
going to be a part of this season. But is
this kind of like like almost like a little slight
dig at at Stephan, like, man, get your you know,
tighten up, like get yourself together, because you could talk
(01:17):
all this this, you know whatever you're talking right now,
and act the way you want to act. But this
show does keep going on, and if we could get
somebody like DeAndre Hopkins in here, like you know, we
mess around, keep moving and and end up deactivating your
your old musty, crusty, rusty, don't want to play ass
you know now, I'm just saying that might be how
they thinking. But what what I mean is there Do
(01:39):
you think that there's anything to that?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
No, I think that you when you have the ability
to add a player like Hopkins to your offense, you
do it.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay, I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Think there's any to do it dig. I mean maybe
it does. Maybe there is something to the idea that, hey,
you know, things aren't going as well with Dig as
they have been in the past. We need to You'll
have some some you know, backup plan if Diggs is unhappy.
But look, V I don't have a problem with wide
receivers that are that they kind of it must sure,
(02:13):
Diggs it would be considered a diva. But wide receivers
that's sort.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Of that's generally what we've labeled them. I mean, that's
that is what I've said that in shows and past,
that's what we generally labeled receivers their divas.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Right, But here's why I don't. It doesn't bother me
as much because their position, much like Corner who tends
to be a diva as well.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
If you know, there's a lone, lonely lonely.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
There there there, it's a very indi indivilldial individual, individualistic position. Right,
you're by yourself. You're on an island. Now, of course
you need the quarterback to throw you the ball, but
you're by yourself, like, you have to win your route
one on one. It's an offensive lineman. You know, I'm
one of five, right, I can't be good if if
if not, everyone else is good with me. Right, you know,
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your quarterback, you have to have your offensive line block
for you, your your your your wide receivers run the
right routes, your tied end being the right place running
back to his job. So I understand wide receivers are
very much selfish, self selfish, like, I totally get it.
So when it's not surprising to me that a wide
receiver digs, anyone else feels this a way about not
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getting the ball, about not, you know, not being able
to play well and big in a big game. Because
again it's it's not really up to him, it's up
to the quarterback. The quarterback's got to get them the ball, right,
The quarterback has to has to do the things necessary
to make sure he succeeds in a big game. And
so I understand, I'm totally understanding of the idea that
he might feel this way at any time about being
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a Buffalo, right, but that doesn't change why you get
to know your Hopkins. You can never have players on
a foot play. You can have good football players areas
in any position. And the Bills, their goal obviously is
to win the AFC and be in the super Bowl.
They've gone backwards, by the way, right years ago anty
championship game and then it was a division around loss
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to the Chiefs, that was a close division around loss,
and then eventually obviously we saw what happened last year.
So adding a good player like Hopkins, no matter of
the situation, with any wide receiver is good for everyone.
It's good for everybody. And I am curious if they
do this again for Hopkins. We we we talked about this.
It disappointed his career. Are you chasing you know, team glory,
(04:28):
You're chasing the Super Bowl? You're chasing money because you
have the money, you played a lot, You've put He's
played like I think this is eleventh year in the
NFL spent a lot of time in the NFL. You know,
are you gonna chase wins, chase team glory, or chase money.
If you're chasing money, then you should we don't choose
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the team that plays you the most money. If you've
chasing the wins, Buffalo, Kansas City, there's a lot of
options if you want to uh to to try to
win a Super Bowl, because right now that's what you
should be doing. In my opinion.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, see, I tend to think that Buffalo making that
available to the media. I do think that it's direct
towards towards Diggs, because while I agree with everything that
you're saying, I still think that it's very curious that
the beef that we saw or the the just uttered
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just discontent or upset feeling that we saw Diggs have
after the playoff game and the way he stormed out
would still be lingering all the way till now and
make its way again to the surface where the media
gets a hold of it and are talking about it.
I think that's just that's very that's when have you
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ever heard of that?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Okay? So what is he? What was he upset about?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
In the All I'll say is While I don't know
exactly why he you know, not from his mouth, the
words from his mouth, I can assume that in the
biggest game of the year, So he was targeted I
believe ten times in that loss in their playoff game,
but he only had three catches. So not knowing what
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all of those those ten targets look like or or
how he was being used in the passing game, I
would assume that there was a frustration in terms of
how the game was being called for and putting him
in position to have the proper success. That's what I mean.
That's really to me, and the fact that they lost.
(06:36):
But you get over losses, right, So I'm not sitting
there thinking to myself, Stefan Diggs is showing back up
to the facility and he's still upset and bothered by
them losing that game. I mean, they're probably all bothered
by the fact that they lost the game. But it's
a new season, it's a new year. You move on.
So for him to still be upset it to me,
(06:57):
it says to me something needed to happened, like the
play calling, the play sheet, the way he's being used,
something needed to happen. He was upset. You know, this
is the way the game was called. Like whatever it
may be, I'm out of here. He gets back, and
this is just me putting like just just kind of
deductive reasoning or trying to put the pieces together. It's
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the same exact coach, it's the same exact calls, it's
the same exact way of going about business. I felt
like that's why Josh Allen got involved and said to
the media like, I could have handled this better. I
could have I could have done more. To me, that
says he could do more to get the ball to
steph on and keeping him happy. That was how I
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interpreted what was being said. Because ultimately, if you played
in this game, and you played at a high level,
even if you played in college, you know that your
top receivers are always disgruntled after games because they didn't
get enough balls. They are always upset because they didn't
get enough balls. Always you get to the league, it's
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the same exact thing. They're always upset that they didn't
get enough balls. So when you start to look at
why a quarterback would start to get involved and try
to like kind of put things together and make sense
of it, that says to me, he felt like he
could have talked to Steph on, he could have put
Steph on and maybe got his input a little bit more.
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Whatever it may have been that led to more success.
I felt like that's what he was trying to say.
Not I needed to get involved in between them arguing
with one another and break it up. And this that
I didn't feel that was the scenario. I felt like, hell,
like he caught the ball three times. This is our
best receiver, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
To me, it feels like there's something else happening here, right,
because that was a long time ago. Now, that was January,
and if Jags is still upset about that one game,
then something else happened, right, whether it was a disagreement
with his quarterback, whether it was to your point you've
(09:08):
just mentioned, right, a disagreement with the play call or
not liking the plays that are being called, something else
happened to Because look, we all have games that we
we didn't like that we were in, right, we all
have games that just it goes well for us. But
in six months later, you're kind of over it, right,
You're kind of over LaVar, Like it's time to move on.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I'm over it. After that week, like, I don't let
it drive me. Correct I'm gonna let it drive, but I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Over it something. So if Diggs is still upset about
about Buffalo, about his season last year, something else happened.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I just feel like there's if I'm going into a season, Jeff,
and everything is the same and nothing has changed. And
my last game was three catches and I got I
got targeted ten times, But I don't know, like he
knows exactly how those those targets felt and how they looked.
My whole thing is, if I I gotta gear up
(10:00):
to have an entire season like this, if this is
the where you just sat there said it, I said
it myself. They may have hit their ceiling. They may
have gotten to to the top of where they're going
to go and and this might be it. So if
I'm going into the season and I'm your your marquee receiver,
I'm your number one receiver, and this is the way
I've been used, I gotta I gotta basically deal with
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going through an entire season this way. I gotta I
gotta handle weekend week out. This is how I'm going
to be used. And to me, I think that that's
where the frustration and the build up for Stefan Diggs
may be is that that's something is this hasn't changed,
Like y'all haven't changed anything, Like I'm upset y'all haven't
(10:44):
changed it. But here's the thing though, Look, I'm trying
to like live through his you know, you know what
I mean, like send you with a deck.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
But but the thing is, too, what at some point
as a player, you have to accept your surroundings right
and you have to Ken Dorsey is not going anywhere
after like he's not. So be angry about the play caller,
the play calling that the time is done for that,
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Like the time now is to get ready for the
season and do the best you can to play your
best in this current season. And so being upset about
what happened last year, LaVar is not good for your health,
is not good for your team's health, is not good
for you know, preparing for this upcoming season. Like so buddy, again,
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we're projecting a little bit here is we don't know
how to but like you gotta get over it, man,
you get over it. It's time. It's time to be
over it because you're nothing's going to change your your
oc is gonna be the same your play calls. You know,
your your your your your wide receiver, coach, your quarterback.
So if he's still upset about the situation in Buffalo,
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either you accept it and you're ready to play your
best ball this season, help your team win, or you
you ask for trailing trade you but he can ask
for trade all you want. But to me, Hopkins addition
to Hopkins is more about just strengthening your room than
it is, you know, trying to to basically oust Digs.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
It's about ousting him though I don't think it's about out.
I think it's more so about like just to subtle,
keep keep things in perspective, my guy, we're paying you
for it, for a deal, and this this train will
continue to run stop after stop, we will continue to
to go.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
And they're different and too, it's worth point like they're
different players, right. Thigs obviously is a is a speed skirt,
takes a top off. You know, Hopkins is a player that's.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
He runs his routes, strong hands, He'll he'll get he'll
get the fifty to fifty ball. He is a different
type of player, but nonetheless he has been considered a
one for pretty much his entire career. Stefan Diggs is
a one pretty much his entire career, right, So if
you're talking about two ones, that's two super predators, really
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if you're really thinking about it. So if I'm trying
to bring in historically this is a one, while I'm
also looking on the other side of this and there's
the drama playing out between your current one, I just
I just I don't know if it was because of
just continuing to hear that there's drama still with step
(13:27):
On Diggs still, I mean, that's that's that's I mean,
that's extraordinarily long for you to have hard feelings towards
something that we saw take place during the playoffs. So
there has to be an issue there, Like you said,
there has to be something there, something more or whatever
it may be. You know, keep in mind he had
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I mean, his his numbers are relatively the same. If anything,
I think he did actually a little bit. He had
more targets or more catches, whatever it was this past season.
But for some strange reason, I don't think that they
felt like their offense was as productive as it was
it was since losing their first offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, it certainly was not the same level of execution
last season that it was the previous year, especially if
season got longer. When they were you know, the more
time they had without Brian Dable, you saw Josh Allen
return a little bit to that yolo football that you know,
it's not always what he has done best in his career,
but in the red zone struggle as well, which I
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think is another kind of symptom of not having the
offense coordinator that did so well. Then da Pull did
excellent with Daniel Jones, right, he did so there definitely
was something towards missing him, and I'm actually, this is
what I'm curious about this year heading into this year,
is like, look what adjustments are made offensively And you
could be right, LeVar, this is uh Stefon Diggs lashing
out about the offense coordinator and not and not really interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
That's what I think it is.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
And I think also to look, the Bills, as we mentioned,
have gone backwards, right they were they were anty change
of game three three three seasons ago against the Chiefs.
They lost that game. The next year they lost on
the road in the division around obviously we know the
famous game where the Chiefs came back in one and overtime.
And then last year they got blown up by the
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Bengals at home. By the way, at home get blown
up by the Bengals in the division around in the snow,
a game that you would expect yourself to win at home.
It's while you work all season to host that game.
So there could be some animosity still with with with
with that, with that, and I get, I get if
you're a player, those things can bother you. However, it's
season starts in you know, you go to camp and
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what's today July twelfth, In two weeks, everyone reports in
two weeks you have to eat over it. You have
to find a way to move past because you're gonna
have a It's football is very difficult, you know, and
it's even worse when you when you don't like being there. Right,
if you're a player, you got to convince yourself that
you're there for the right reasons. You're there to help
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your team win, because again, if not, it's bad mentally
in a bad place. When the season starts, it doesn't
go well. So I hope for his sake that this
is really nothing. And you know, they're just adding Hopkins
because it's a smart play because he's a good he's
good football player.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
It'd be interesting to see how he reacts if Hopkins
did decide to go to the Bills and see what
their success level would be and how they're being used
once once the season starts with the DeAndre Hopkins and
seemingly will unsettle Stefan Diggs.
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Speaker 2 (16:43):
There's a new little article that came out by the
Four Letter Network talking about, well he was free and
clear how the leak of John Gruden's email led to
the fall of Commander's owner Dan Snyder. All right, now,
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it's a pretty long it's a it's a very very
long article, and and it kind of starts with how
the Raiders were approached and and what Mark Davis found
himself having to deal with with with coach John Gruden
and the leaked emails that led to his demise as
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the head coach of the of the Las Vegas Raiders.
Then it gets into the the leakers, the identities and
how they have still remained unknown, and and how it
was you know, directed at at the Morris then it's
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directed at Daniel Snyder. It's it was directed at the Raiders.
I mean there there are a lot of people that
were were actually in uh in the crosshairs of all
of this, but none bigger than Daniel Snyder getting caught
up into more and more legal drama as this unfolded
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and ultimately ended up being a major undoing of him
being the owner of the Washington then the Washington Redskins
now the Washington Commanders. You know, what's your what's your
you know, I've never had this conversation with you. What
what is your take on how all of this has
unfolded with with the Snyder uh saga as it contains.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Get him there, good, good, like it. I'm glad he's
Piers gone. I think that. I don't know if the
sales completely followed yet, but he's bad for business man,
It's bad for the NFL, bad for business. You know,
we we know what's been happening in his building. And
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you don't need a partner like that in the NFL, right,
you don't the team has been bad. The fan do
not like the team, the city doesn't like the team,
players have not liked playing for him, And get him
out out of there, man like owners have lost their
teams from for much, you know, for things not as
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as badly alleged happened in his building over the years,
right like, get him out of there? Who who? You know?
I know there was you know though he might black,
who cares? Just get him out of there, LeVar And
every Washington fan I know is so happy he's gone.
I'm sure you have your thoughts on him as well,
having played there. But you know, the story is interesting
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because you know the heart of it is, you know
who leaked the John Gruden emails? For those who who
do not remember, I was two years ago now, emails
were leaked that John Gruden had said, had used racist tropes,
had you know, bash Cadell and use some slurs doing
that as well, and emails got out and eventually he
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was fired for that. And the question is how these
get out because this is part of an investigation of
a lawsuit and should not have gone out. And you know,
the the prevailing wisdom has been Dan Snyder let this
out because he wanted to sort of take everyone down
with him, right, and be able to kind of you
to blackmail everyone in the NFL, which is everyone's thought
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that that was you know, this was out because of that.
There was I thought that there was a story about
Jerry Jones that was out because of Daniel Snyder. And
the article goes into it was a goodell who leaked this?
Was it Demor Smith who I'd not heard that before,
but the timing is kind of interesting. It was Snyder, right,
It was Snyder. He threatened to do all these things
and did anyways, and now he's gone. I'm just I'm
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just glad he's gone. LeVar. I am so glad for
the NFL and for the the Washington fans and players
that they will have a new owner who will care
much more about winning, who will put the resources in
they need to hire the right people to help the
franchise win and will not thread blackmail the league when
when when it doesn't go his way.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah. I live this as a as a Washington football player.
The environment was a toxic environment. I can confirm that firsthand.
Dan Snyder is not a morally an ethically uh sound man.
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His rules of engagement change someone that seemingly seemed like
a really really dope dude in the beginning ultimately would
show you his his true.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Cost about the same time.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Right, Yeah, I was his first draft pick. Yeah, I
was first draft pick. So if there would be someone
who would know, it would probably be me.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I know. That's why it defers to you.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, yeah, he you know he's but he's a super
cool dude to begin with, and on the surface level,
he was super dope dude. We got really close. I
always tell people the story that, you know, I was
actually at some point I was so close with him
and the family. I would visit his dad while he
was you know, ill in the hospital, and I was
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with him, around him for his last days, around him
and his mom. Well, I was around his dad and
his dad's wife. Yeah, so just to make sure it's clear,
And I was a pallbearer for him and in his
you know, in his his funeral. We were really close.
We used to sit together on the team playing, we
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played chess, on the way to games or back from games.
We'd have long conversations. We've gone out to dinner, like
we were like the beginning of our relationship was a
really really harmonious relationship. It wasn't until the politics of
a contract got into the situation that really showed that
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maybe it wasn't that we couldn't be cool, It was
just that business always was going to be more important
than anything else, more important in relationships, more important than
anything else, and whatever that business is. As to how
he sees it or you know, interpreted how business is
supposed to look and how it's supposed to feel at
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the workplace with your employees and everything that's associated with it.
I think he just had a very very detached lens,
out of focused lens of what a healthy work environment
is supposed to be. And for one reason or another,
you know, everybody has their whole ideas and their assessments
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as to why they think Daniel Snyder has been the
way that he has been. But you know, for me,
I looked at the situation and I just basically thought
to myself, it's just kind of like simple things that
you could have did to really really rally your team,
rally your building around you and around what the team represented,
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and it was just constantly opportunities for that to take
place that never happened. It just never happened, right, you
you could. I always say, you know, you could know
the people who are taking care of the facility. I
speak to Vlati every day. I speak them as BJ
every day. You know, whoever our trainers were, I speak
to them every day, spend time with them. Our our
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coaches you know in the in the weight room, speak
to him, spend time with them every day.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Equipment those people.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Not only did he not know who they were, but
if you did not, if you were not a person
of note, you were not allowed to. Now these are reports,
but and I was told this first hand, by the way,
so this isn't like a report. This is me and
the building, and I'm being told by other employees, my
colleagues in the in the building, that this is what
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they've been told to do, which was you have to
put your head down and don't look at him when
he comes in. Don't even look at him, right, And
if you're if you're in a cit suation where you're
addressing him, you have to say mister, you have to
address him as mister Snyder. You can't call him Dan,
you gotta call him mister Snyder. So it was just
things like, you know, trying to establish an environment to
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me that was more set and geared towards UH, really
really building up and stroking an ego. And I think
that it became the arrogance and the culture of the
Upper Brass to be the same way Bruce Island was
a douchebag, big time, one ten out of ten douche right,
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other guys that had been with them. I'm sorry, listen,
I ain't going I ain't gonna hold you, but I'm
gonna just keep it real. Tony Wiley, you were schmuck
while you were dealing with him as well.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
You were Now what words we can use on Trust radio? Okay,
all right, I'm taking note.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Carl Swanson, you were shmucking it out to anybody. Mark,
Mark you were. You were schmucking it out to Uh.
I don't forget your last name for some reason, but
it just seemed like everyone who came in and and
and Vinnie, Vinnie, you were my guy, but you know what,
you were schmucking it out to Vinnie. All these guys
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would come in and what happened was they would they
would give in and give way to the arrogance of
how Dan Snyder handled things, and they became a part
of an entourage. So when Jay gruten came in and
took over as a coach, he did the same exact
thing when mcglowing, but mcgluing came in as the GM
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and he did the same thing. Like everything was about
just ego tripping, Like your ego goes to a whole
nother place. Because that's what Dan Snyder valued was was
the ego and the feel of how him and his
his cronies, how they how they moved, and how they
looked when they did that at the owner's meetings going
into the games. You know, whatever it may have been,
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it was all just based off of a facade. You know,
you were creating this this image of being like like
the dude I mean he was walking around shots out
to security because Mike and those guys, all the guys
that were doing security, I mean, super dope dudes. But
he'd have fully armed you know, agents that were walking
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with him around the building. What Like he was never alone,
Like he was never by himself. He always had his
security with him and they were always weird, superware, my gee,
super weird. Like no matter where he was at he
was moving around, was he afraid of to me? I
don't think it was him being afraid. It was intimidation,
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like he was trying to create the intimidation factor or
the factor, this larger than life figure. And no one
ever looked at him as larger than life. They just
looked at him as little Danny. You know why, right,
you know? And so anyway, it's interesting that this report
coming out as it applied to someone else that was
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being pinpointed, it was still linked back to Washington and
the culture that was there, and it ultimately led to
a lot of investigative moves. It led to the pressure
of him having to eventually, you know, put this team
on the market. Now, if you're paying attention, the team
still hasn't been sold. It hasn't gone through yet, correct.
You know we're in July. This is July twelfth. You know,
(28:30):
this has been going on for quite some time. The
team still has not settled on its new ownership group,
and it has not moved. Now why I continue to
hear that it's moving and it's going to happen. It
still hasn't happened yet. So I find out to be interesting.
He's the sole owner, I believe, of all all of
the Washington team. Because if you recall he was being
(28:53):
fought by other minority owners and he ended up winning
or getting them up out of the way, so just
being his team. But I mean, there's just so many
details of this, Like I know some of the cheerleaders
that were involved with with what took place, and they're
always constantly hit me up telling me, make sure you
put it out there. We want to see the report released.
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You know, we need to be able to see what
the report is. And I don't disagree with her. I
don't disagree with them. You know, Melanie is one of
the people I'll say, I'll call it out by name
because she's they protest and they go from city to
city when these things are taking place. Melanie is part
of the people that lead the group of women that
were in these situations that took place. And I think
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that this needs to be released, a report needs to
be released, because the biggest thing is I know we're
up on it, but just I just say this to
finish off, regardless of him selling the team, it should
not it should not remove all culpability from the things
and the damage that he's done, Like he ruined my career,
Like the way that thing was handled, it pretty much
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my career, and I don't. I don't, I don't really.
For a long time, I guess I had denial issues
about like how much it impacted me and how much
it affected me. I was upset by it, and I
was I was very very bothered by it, and I
was told for a long time I was really angry,
and I didn't see it. I didn't believe it. I
didn't feel it. But I feel like a lot of
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the fans that said it that they were probably correct,
like I was. I was upset.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I was.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I was angry at somebody that I was so close
with that we could end up where we were at,
and it was connected to the most important part of
my life, which was playing ball. But but now I
just look at it from the standpoint of the collateral
damage done to people that maybe didn't, you know, handle
it or get through it as well as I may have.
(30:47):
You know, like I moved on with my life that
have done done well since. But there are a lot
of people that were impacted by in a way where
you know, it was just very difficult for them. I
think they should have their opportunity to get closure too.
And I think that the reason why all of these
conversations are continuing to linger on is because he's trying
to get out of having any type of culpability once
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he sells this team. And I think that that's something
that should not be compromised. I don't think it should
be compromised. Just because you sell the team doesn't mean
that you get to be exonerated from any and all
claims that have been against you that actually led to
you having to sell the team in the first place.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
So I think I think that's I mean, that's part
of what what he's trying to stipulate as as as
you know, if he sells a team, then you can't
release the report, right, he's trying to stipulate that.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I believe that's exactly right. He does not want the
damage to to further continue after he's done selling this team,
and I don't I just don't see how that there's
any way that you can There's no there's no way
that you can can do that, Like you just there's
no way that they can say that.
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Speaker 2 (32:35):
All right, we're gonna go to my men op right now.
Petros Papadakis too, morn So good morning.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Sir, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hi Jeff, Hello, how are you?
I'm okay, I'm sitting here.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Are you gonna be in Vegas next week?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
I am? Oh? Yeah, I have to overlap.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
I know I hate going anywhere, and if I have
to go somewhere, I really don't want to go to
Las Vegas.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Las Vegas is good, really you want to know?
Speaker 6 (33:06):
Yes, I feel like Las Vegas is a horrible place
for myriad reasons. Number one, I would say it's always
dangerous to be anywhere like Disneyland or somewhere like that
where people feel entitled to a good time, Like they
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feel like if I'm not having a good time, I'm
wasting my time and money, which I guess is the
case in Vegas.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
So everybody ends.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
Up kind of like clawing over each other like rats,
you know, in a drowning situation, clawing for that good time.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
The other thing that bothers me about Vegas, So it's
like you get this frantic kind of vibe with everybody,
kind of like a line outside the club sort of
vibe everywhere at all times. And that brings in the
wristband culture of Las Vegas, which is like there's always
something better than what you have, Like, yeah, you might
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have that special risk band and the three level club
party table service at this particular place or something, but
you don't have the super special risk band. Yeah, where
the guys being filated by a dolphin in a special jacuzzi.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
You know.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
Wow, you know there's always something that is way better
than what you got, and not to that's not to
say like you shouldn't be happy with what you have,
but they rub it in your face, you know, like
you see the guy that the jacuzzi, the guy that
is with the dolphin in is see through, you know,
so they put it in your face. Also, like the
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world of paying like six seven hundred, eight hundred, nine
hundred dollars for a nice decent hotel room, well we
live there though, right Like you know, you can pay
even more than that, And most places they charge you
a bunch of money for a hotel and they'll call
you a cab. Las Vegas is the only place where
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you're paying nine hundred bucks a night for a room.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
You got to pay extra to use the gym.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
You do have to pay to use the gym, twenty dollars.
I had to pay.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Yeah, and you're already paying a thousand bucks or whatever.
And then you want to go take a cab somewhere,
you got to wait in this a whole cab line.
My point is they do so much volume as far
as people go, like Disneyland, that they don't know the
difference between somebody staying in the hotel or a frat
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boy who's barfing on the carpet who just came from
the Four Queens. So it just to me is there's
if you're gonna spend money and try to enjoy yourself,
there's so many other places to do it.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Now.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
I am in agoraphobe and I don't really like going anywhere,
so take that with a grain of salt. But yes,
I will be in Las Vegas with with all of
our friends in the Mountain West and the Pac twelve.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yeah, I gotta do Mountain West.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Can you guys have a big hug and send me.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Course we will, but I'm only going to be there.
I have to come back.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
For a funeral. Send me to Sophie.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
Yeah, and then I have to go to the Savannah Bananas.
You ever heard of what that is?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, yeah town? Right now?
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Yeah, I have to take my son to see about Okay, no, no,
it's amazing. It's like the Harlem Globe Trotters of baseball,
A huge deal, got it.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Guy used to know what's his name? Eric Burns, the
guy from U C.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
L A.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I think he's behind it in some way or another.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Maybe he's not.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
I don't know, but uh yeah, So so I will
be there. I have to do the Mountain West meetings
for Fox, so they bring in all the different Mountain
West coaches. For me, I got to sit in a
room and then I got to go to the most
awkward dinner on Earth, the PAC twelve.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Buddy, Oh yeah, can we talk about that? Like all right,
So the PAC twelve is deteriorating, to say the least,
very quickly. Op, And I just I wonder does it
does it does it go to nothing? Does it does
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it disbend, or does it does it dissolve?
Speaker 6 (37:28):
That's a good question because most people don't. They don't
want to cut to the bone.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
And ask that question, right, Yeah, they.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Want to ask about San Diego State something like that,
and you know, deteriorating quickly. I would say it appears
that way, but only because, like it appears that a
guy at the end of running one hundred or two
hundred meters is going faster, and the truth is that
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guy's not going faster, he's just maintaining. And that's what's
happened to the PAC twelve. And I've tried desperately to
make this point, and I don't think anybody wants to
hear it. And it used to be a point that.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
A lot of our.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
Journalist colleagues, like John Canzano and John Wilner really made
first and got us all riled up. And now they've
kind of taken a different direction with their reporting, which
is understandable. But the truth is this happened the day
Larry Scott did his deal. The PAC twelve was irreparably
harmed and has been bleeding out ever since. Their deal
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got them, you know, eleven twelve million dollars less than
everybody else was making that they were trying to compete with.
You multiply that by you know, whatever a decade. You know,
you're talking about one hundred and twenty million dollars, and
that's one hundred and twenty million dollars per due has
that you don't have because your idiot commissioner would not
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partner with a television partner that had distribution or knew
how to put television on. And then it's on the
university presidents for not noticing that they were bleeding out,
looking down and seeing all the crimson flowing from the
conference and just looking forward and saying everything's great, and
paying this guy millions of dollars literally to destroy the
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structure of West Coast college football.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
And that is what's happened. It is awful. It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
The PAC ten, PAC twelve and traveling those cities and
understanding their past is a huge part of who I
am as a broadcaster and my history in my employment.
And I am devastated. But what's going to happen? I mean,
if I had to guess, the four corner schools go
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to the Big twelve, Oregon and Washington get a probationary
deal or a full piece of the pie. One way
or another, they're going to be there permanent, lee into
the Big ten. And then teams that I really like
and are really concerned about, Kyle Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State,
we're going to have to figure out where do they
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go right and probably to the Mountain West. And the
thing is it's not going to be very different from
who they are now. Like the money the deal that
the PAC twelve did made them more like the Mountain
West than the Big ten or the Big twelve or
the SEC or the teams they're trying.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
To compete with.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
And that's basically, there's nothing wrong with the Mountain West,
but it's a different level. And that's the level the
PAC twelve immediately became when they lost the Los Angeles market.
I hate to be LA centric, but there is no
PAC twelve without LA and it's.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Not even close.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
You can't market the conference without that piece, and San
Diego State is not going to fill that hole. So yeah,
I mean it's over. It's been over.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
So you know, I feel exactly the same way you
do about all this. I'm from Los Angeles. I went
to Oregon, like I do, patrol radio for heavnsdays for
the last five years, So I feel the same way
that you do about the regionality of the sport. Right
how the West Coast, there's a fabric there with all
the teams. They play each other each year, there's a
history there. You obviously cover a lot of their games,
(41:23):
You've called their games fears. You went to USC. However, nationally,
can you make the argument this is good right USC,
Ohio State? You seel a Michigan like these better games,
Oklahoma playing Georgia and Texas playing band I know they're
playing non conference this year, but the games themselves, petros
are better football matchups.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Well, they'll be a great deal of interest from the city.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
Of Los Angeles to the rest of the world of
college football and they'll be planning to promote, which isn't
to say there'll be other stuff to promote at other schools,
and the landscape will move on, and honestly, I don't
even know how long the conferences will last. I mean,
the TV deals are the TV deals, but at some
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point they just got to get out from under the
umbrella of the NCAA, which we talk about all the time,
create more of a revenue situation, because I mean, guys,
this word nil, I mean most of the stuff we
say is nil isn't even nil.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
It's just a booster plan. A guy a pay a
guy to play.
Speaker 6 (42:29):
I mean, it's the same as we used to do
for decades under the table. As far as football competition, yeah,
I'm interested as hell. I want to see what USC
is like playing at Northwestern or something in October. You know,
it's going to be very interesting. And I think there's
going to be more and more of that in college football.
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And to be honest, there's been that in college football
our entire lifetimes. In before change has been the constant.
The Southwest Conference was something that people used to adore,
you know, and it's gone. Oklahoma Nebraska don't play anymore.
You know, BYU and Utah didn't play every year, so
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there's always change, seismic change happening. But it is awful
hard to say goodbye to USC at Washington State.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
You know, on a Thursday night in November, lamb to
the slaughter.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
You know, Dion is recovering and is back in the saddle,
and he seems to be the kind of the lone
lightning rod of I don't know attention for the PAC
twelve outside of talking about its demise right now, but
I mean, what would happen if he wasn't able to coach?
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Like I started thinking this the other week the other.
Speaker 6 (43:52):
Day, like if he can't coach, well, you got to
get him the Hugh Freeze Dennis bed and then put
him up in the moods.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 6 (44:02):
I mean it's interesting, you know, LeVar, because we talked
a lot about Dion and the question that you asked
her a statement you made within the question about how
he's the lightning rod of publicity right now for the conference,
and I would say, yes, that's absolutely true right now,
right yeah. And and Fox is going to take advantage
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of that. They are going to use that, They're going
to put Colorado on. I think the first two weeks,
two of the first three games they have on will
be big Noon, not just Fox. You know, it's not
just it's not like I'm showing up calling the game.
I mean they're going to do the whole thing. Brady
Quinn and mark ingram now so that they'll promote the
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hell out of that. And and Colorado has throwing one
gigantic off season party. It reminds me of like when
the Lakers drafted Lonzo Ball, right, you know, you throw,
you throw like a three month party. You talk about
his shoes, you talk about, oh, look at a co
Prime sweatshirt and all this stuff. Water is going to
find its level and they're probably not going to be
as interesting to watch during the season as they were
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in the offseason, would be my prediction. And during the season,
pac twelve storylines will be Cam Rising at Utah, Michael
Pennix at Washington, Caleb Williams at USC, Heisman winner, you know,
probably the best player in college football. And can USC
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play better on defense? Can they create more of an
amalgamated team vibe. That's a tall task for Lincoln Riley.
So I think the storylines will shift to kind of
the more proven entities, and for the last year of
the Pac twelve as we know it, it's a hell
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of a sendoff, right, I forgot bo Nicks at Oregon,
you know, I mean so, I mean that's going to
be the storyline when the season and starts, I think.
And the off season parties that were thrown. I mean,
I remember the off season parties that es He used
to throw when Kiffen was the coach, or Sark or Helton,
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and they'd be like, well, yeah, the guys terrible and
the West Coast Football's in disarray because USC is a mess.
But hey, did you see this recruiting class. It's like, God, guys,
we've been through this before. You know, when the season starts,
it feels a lot different. So off season parties, and
I think those parties will end in September.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Lust for me very quickly. On your Trojans, Yeah, they
have more talent on defense, but besides you know, one
defensive line, they don't have much depth on their defense, right,
and we've seen now history of Alex Gringe defenses. They
had talent Oklahoma, two guys, they weren't just like an
untalented bunch.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
There No one wants to think about that.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
In LA.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
No one wants to look at you.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
I know, so do you.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
I can't believe that Lincoln Riley teams give up points.
They can't believe it out here.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
I think I saw the number that give up like
four points, like eighteen times. And since it's ridiculous, do
you see USC being any better on defense? I think
they play much tougher schedule. I think turnovers. You're not
going to force twenty seven turnovers. Again, I am not
as high on USC winning the conference as others might be.
Speaker 6 (47:16):
Well, USC's turnover thing masked an issue that really caught
up later in the year. Right, they forced dtr into
three interceptions. Otherwise they were losing that UCLA game. Yes,
and obviously we saw what Utah did to him twice.
Tulane scored at Will. I mean at Will, I mean
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I did the Colorado game. Colorado ran the ball well,
I mean he did. It's interesting because there's something about
offensive coaches. There's something about these very special offensive coaches
that the other side of the ball gets left out there. Now,
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what happened at SC last year is hard to imagine.
I mean, I do know how quickly that team was
slapped together, and I think the real miracle, like you said,
is the twenty seven turnovers, the offense they put together
and the success they had. You juxtaposed that with one
of the most embarrassing moments in USC football history. I mean,
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this is USC football, and they could barely field a
team against Cal that last game with the interim coach
and all that, and that was really ugly. Guys didn't
want to play. People were disgruntled, and that should not
ever happen fielding a team in a USC uniform. But
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it did. And privately, Lincoln Riley does cite that. He says,
you know, to USC people, he says, you know, you
saw what we were up against, and you saw what
we've done.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
Now watch us build it. With the lack of.
Speaker 6 (48:54):
Depth and the way they leave the offense, the way
the offense leaves the defense out there, Jeff, it's hard
not to feel the same. But it's hard to imagine
them being worse defensively too. I mean, you would expect
them to be a little bit better, since it's a
point of emphasis, but you know, with the transfer portal
and the way things go, there's no way to know
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unless we start playing right. So I can't wait to
see how they've addressed it. And maybe if they run
the ball a little more, try to keep Caleb on
the field a little longer, take some air out of
the ball in situations to help the defense out.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
We'll see how that plays out.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
So, Jeff, we were talking before we went to break
about DeAndre Hopkins and the idea possibly taking less money. UH.
The Buffalo Bills have reportedly shown interest and and and
basically said they would love to have DeAndre Hopkins be
a part of the team. Now, the first thing that
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I thought about immediately upon seeing this article was one,
you know, things still aren't at ease or at rest settled.
Put put the bid with UH, with Diggs, with Stefan Diggs,
and and so you start to think to yourself, well,
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you got DeAndre Hopkins out there, you still got to
pay Stefon Diggs is money, and he's obviously, you know,
going to be a part of this season. But is
this kind of like like almost like a little slight
dig at at Stephan, like, man, get your you know,
tighten up, like get yourself together, because you could talk
(01:17):
all this this, you know whatever you're talking right now,
and act the way you want to act. But this
show does keep going on, and if we could get
somebody like DeAndre Hopkins in here, like you know, we
mess around, keep moving and and end up deactivating your
your old musty, crusty, rusty, don't want to play ass
you know now, I'm just saying that might be how
they thinking. But what what I mean is there Do
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you think that there's anything to that?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
No, I think that you when you have the ability
to add a player like Hopkins to your offense, you
do it.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay, I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Think there's any to do it dig. I mean maybe
it does. Maybe there is something to the idea that, hey,
you know, things aren't going as well with Dig as
they have been in the past. We need to You'll
have some some you know, backup plan if Diggs is unhappy.
But look, V I don't have a problem with wide
receivers that are that they kind of it must sure,
(02:13):
Diggs it would be considered a diva. But wide receivers
that's sort.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Of that's generally what we've labeled them. I mean, that's
that is what I've said that in shows and past,
that's what we generally labeled receivers their divas.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Right, But here's why I don't. It doesn't bother me
as much because their position, much like Corner who tends
to be a diva as well.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
If you know, there's a lone, lonely lonely.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
There there there, it's a very indi indivilldial individual, individualistic position. Right,
you're by yourself. You're on an island. Now, of course
you need the quarterback to throw you the ball, but
you're by yourself, like, you have to win your route
one on one. It's an offensive lineman. You know, I'm
one of five, right, I can't be good if if
if not, everyone else is good with me. Right, you know,
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your quarterback, you have to have your offensive line block
for you, your your your your wide receivers run the
right routes, your tied end being the right place running
back to his job. So I understand wide receivers are
very much selfish, self selfish, like, I totally get it.
So when it's not surprising to me that a wide
receiver digs, anyone else feels this a way about not
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getting the ball, about not, you know, not being able
to play well and big in a big game. Because
again it's it's not really up to him, it's up
to the quarterback. The quarterback's got to get them the ball, right,
The quarterback has to has to do the things necessary
to make sure he succeeds in a big game. And
so I understand, I'm totally understanding of the idea that
he might feel this way at any time about being
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a Buffalo, right, but that doesn't change why you get
to know your Hopkins. You can never have players on
a foot play. You can have good football players areas
in any position. And the Bills, their goal obviously is
to win the AFC and be in the super Bowl.
They've gone backwards, by the way, right years ago anty
championship game and then it was a division around loss
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to the Chiefs, that was a close division around loss,
and then eventually obviously we saw what happened last year.
So adding a good player like Hopkins, no matter of
the situation, with any wide receiver is good for everyone.
It's good for everybody. And I am curious if they
do this again for Hopkins. We we we talked about this.
It disappointed his career. Are you chasing you know, team glory,
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You're chasing the Super Bowl? You're chasing money because you
have the money, you played a lot, You've put He's
played like I think this is eleventh year in the
NFL spent a lot of time in the NFL. You know,
are you gonna chase wins, chase team glory, or chase money.
If you're chasing money, then you should we don't choose
(04:49):
the team that plays you the most money. If you've
chasing the wins, Buffalo, Kansas City, there's a lot of
options if you want to uh to to try to
win a Super Bowl, because right now that's what you
should be doing. In my opinion.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, see, I tend to think that Buffalo making that
available to the media. I do think that it's direct
towards towards Diggs, because while I agree with everything that
you're saying, I still think that it's very curious that
the beef that we saw or the the just uttered
(05:23):
just discontent or upset feeling that we saw Diggs have
after the playoff game and the way he stormed out
would still be lingering all the way till now and
make its way again to the surface where the media
gets a hold of it and are talking about it.
I think that's just that's very that's when have you
(05:45):
ever heard of that?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Okay? So what is he? What was he upset about?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
In the All I'll say is While I don't know
exactly why he you know, not from his mouth, the
words from his mouth, I can assume that in the
biggest game of the year, So he was targeted I
believe ten times in that loss in their playoff game,
but he only had three catches. So not knowing what
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all of those those ten targets look like or or
how he was being used in the passing game, I
would assume that there was a frustration in terms of
how the game was being called for and putting him
in position to have the proper success. That's what I mean.
That's really to me, and the fact that they lost.
(06:36):
But you get over losses, right, So I'm not sitting
there thinking to myself, Stefan Diggs is showing back up
to the facility and he's still upset and bothered by
them losing that game. I mean, they're probably all bothered
by the fact that they lost the game. But it's
a new season, it's a new year. You move on.
So for him to still be upset it to me,
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it says to me something needed to happened, like the
play calling, the play sheet, the way he's being used,
something needed to happen. He was upset. You know, this
is the way the game was called. Like whatever it
may be, I'm out of here. He gets back, and
this is just me putting like just just kind of
deductive reasoning or trying to put the pieces together. It's
(07:21):
the same exact coach, it's the same exact calls, it's
the same exact way of going about business. I felt
like that's why Josh Allen got involved and said to
the media like, I could have handled this better. I
could have I could have done more. To me, that
says he could do more to get the ball to
steph on and keeping him happy. That was how I
(07:43):
interpreted what was being said. Because ultimately, if you played
in this game, and you played at a high level,
even if you played in college, you know that your
top receivers are always disgruntled after games because they didn't
get enough balls. They are always upset because they didn't
get enough balls. Always you get to the league, it's
(08:05):
the same exact thing. They're always upset that they didn't
get enough balls. So when you start to look at
why a quarterback would start to get involved and try
to like kind of put things together and make sense
of it, that says to me, he felt like he
could have talked to Steph on, he could have put
Steph on and maybe got his input a little bit more.
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Whatever it may have been that led to more success.
I felt like that's what he was trying to say.
Not I needed to get involved in between them arguing
with one another and break it up. And this that
I didn't feel that was the scenario. I felt like, hell,
like he caught the ball three times. This is our
best receiver, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
To me, it feels like there's something else happening here, right,
because that was a long time ago. Now, that was January,
and if Jags is still upset about that one game,
then something else happened, right, whether it was a disagreement
with his quarterback, whether it was to your point you've
(09:08):
just mentioned, right, a disagreement with the play call or
not liking the plays that are being called, something else
happened to Because look, we all have games that we
we didn't like that we were in, right, we all
have games that just it goes well for us. But
in six months later, you're kind of over it, right,
You're kind of over LaVar, Like it's time to move on.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I'm over it. After that week, like, I don't let
it drive me. Correct I'm gonna let it drive, but I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Over it something. So if Diggs is still upset about
about Buffalo, about his season last year, something else happened.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I just feel like there's if I'm going into a season, Jeff,
and everything is the same and nothing has changed. And
my last game was three catches and I got I
got targeted ten times, But I don't know, like he
knows exactly how those those targets felt and how they looked.
My whole thing is, if I I gotta gear up
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to have an entire season like this, if this is
the where you just sat there said it, I said
it myself. They may have hit their ceiling. They may
have gotten to to the top of where they're going
to go and and this might be it. So if
I'm going into the season and I'm your your marquee receiver,
I'm your number one receiver, and this is the way
I've been used, I gotta I gotta basically deal with
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going through an entire season this way. I gotta I
gotta handle weekend week out. This is how I'm going
to be used. And to me, I think that that's
where the frustration and the build up for Stefan Diggs
may be is that that's something is this hasn't changed,
Like y'all haven't changed anything, Like I'm upset y'all haven't
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changed it. But here's the thing though, Look, I'm trying
to like live through his you know, you know what
I mean, like send you with a deck.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
But but the thing is, too, what at some point
as a player, you have to accept your surroundings right
and you have to Ken Dorsey is not going anywhere
after like he's not. So be angry about the play caller,
the play calling that the time is done for that,
(11:13):
Like the time now is to get ready for the
season and do the best you can to play your
best in this current season. And so being upset about
what happened last year, LaVar is not good for your health,
is not good for your team's health, is not good
for you know, preparing for this upcoming season. Like so buddy, again,
(11:33):
we're projecting a little bit here is we don't know
how to but like you gotta get over it, man,
you get over it. It's time. It's time to be
over it because you're nothing's going to change your your
oc is gonna be the same your play calls. You know,
your your your your your wide receiver, coach, your quarterback.
So if he's still upset about the situation in Buffalo,
(11:55):
either you accept it and you're ready to play your
best ball this season, help your team win, or you
you ask for trailing trade you but he can ask
for trade all you want. But to me, Hopkins addition
to Hopkins is more about just strengthening your room than
it is, you know, trying to to basically oust Digs.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
It's about ousting him though I don't think it's about out.
I think it's more so about like just to subtle,
keep keep things in perspective, my guy, we're paying you
for it, for a deal, and this this train will
continue to run stop after stop, we will continue to
to go.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
And they're different and too, it's worth point like they're
different players, right. Thigs obviously is a is a speed skirt,
takes a top off. You know, Hopkins is a player that's.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
He runs his routes, strong hands, He'll he'll get he'll
get the fifty to fifty ball. He is a different
type of player, but nonetheless he has been considered a
one for pretty much his entire career. Stefan Diggs is
a one pretty much his entire career, right, So if
you're talking about two ones, that's two super predators, really
(13:04):
if you're really thinking about it. So if I'm trying
to bring in historically this is a one, while I'm
also looking on the other side of this and there's
the drama playing out between your current one, I just
I just I don't know if it was because of
just continuing to hear that there's drama still with step
(13:27):
On Diggs still, I mean, that's that's that's I mean,
that's extraordinarily long for you to have hard feelings towards
something that we saw take place during the playoffs. So
there has to be an issue there, Like you said,
there has to be something there, something more or whatever
it may be. You know, keep in mind he had
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I mean, his his numbers are relatively the same. If anything,
I think he did actually a little bit. He had
more targets or more catches, whatever it was this past season.
But for some strange reason, I don't think that they
felt like their offense was as productive as it was
it was since losing their first offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, it certainly was not the same level of execution
last season that it was the previous year, especially if
season got longer. When they were you know, the more
time they had without Brian Dable, you saw Josh Allen
return a little bit to that yolo football that you know,
it's not always what he has done best in his career,
but in the red zone struggle as well, which I
(14:28):
think is another kind of symptom of not having the
offense coordinator that did so well. Then da Pull did
excellent with Daniel Jones, right, he did so there definitely
was something towards missing him, and I'm actually, this is
what I'm curious about this year heading into this year,
is like, look what adjustments are made offensively And you
could be right, LeVar, this is uh Stefon Diggs lashing
out about the offense coordinator and not and not really interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
That's what I think it is.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
And I think also to look, the Bills, as we mentioned,
have gone backwards, right they were they were anty change
of game three three three seasons ago against the Chiefs.
They lost that game. The next year they lost on
the road in the division around obviously we know the
famous game where the Chiefs came back in one and overtime.
And then last year they got blown up by the
(15:15):
Bengals at home. By the way, at home get blown
up by the Bengals in the division around in the snow,
a game that you would expect yourself to win at home.
It's while you work all season to host that game.
So there could be some animosity still with with with
with that, with that, and I get, I get if
you're a player, those things can bother you. However, it's
season starts in you know, you go to camp and
(15:36):
what's today July twelfth, In two weeks, everyone reports in
two weeks you have to eat over it. You have
to find a way to move past because you're gonna
have a It's football is very difficult, you know, and
it's even worse when you when you don't like being there. Right,
if you're a player, you got to convince yourself that
you're there for the right reasons. You're there to help
(15:58):
your team win, because again, if not, it's bad mentally
in a bad place. When the season starts, it doesn't
go well. So I hope for his sake that this
is really nothing. And you know, they're just adding Hopkins
because it's a smart play because he's a good he's
good football player.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
It'd be interesting to see how he reacts if Hopkins
did decide to go to the Bills and see what
their success level would be and how they're being used
once once the season starts with the DeAndre Hopkins and
seemingly will unsettle Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
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Speaker 2 (16:43):
There's a new little article that came out by the
Four Letter Network talking about, well he was free and
clear how the leak of John Gruden's email led to
the fall of Commander's owner Dan Snyder. All right, now,
(17:04):
it's a pretty long it's a it's a very very
long article, and and it kind of starts with how
the Raiders were approached and and what Mark Davis found
himself having to deal with with with coach John Gruden
and the leaked emails that led to his demise as
(17:26):
the head coach of the of the Las Vegas Raiders.
Then it gets into the the leakers, the identities and
how they have still remained unknown, and and how it
was you know, directed at at the Morris then it's
(17:46):
directed at Daniel Snyder. It's it was directed at the Raiders.
I mean there there are a lot of people that
were were actually in uh in the crosshairs of all
of this, but none bigger than Daniel Snyder getting caught
up into more and more legal drama as this unfolded
(18:08):
and ultimately ended up being a major undoing of him
being the owner of the Washington then the Washington Redskins
now the Washington Commanders. You know, what's your what's your
you know, I've never had this conversation with you. What
what is your take on how all of this has
unfolded with with the Snyder uh saga as it contains.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Get him there, good, good, like it. I'm glad he's
Piers gone. I think that. I don't know if the
sales completely followed yet, but he's bad for business man,
It's bad for the NFL, bad for business. You know,
we we know what's been happening in his building. And
(18:53):
you don't need a partner like that in the NFL, right,
you don't the team has been bad. The fan do
not like the team, the city doesn't like the team,
players have not liked playing for him, And get him
out out of there, man like owners have lost their
teams from for much, you know, for things not as
(19:16):
as badly alleged happened in his building over the years,
right like, get him out of there? Who who? You know?
I know there was you know though he might black,
who cares? Just get him out of there, LeVar And
every Washington fan I know is so happy he's gone.
I'm sure you have your thoughts on him as well,
having played there. But you know, the story is interesting
(19:38):
because you know the heart of it is, you know
who leaked the John Gruden emails? For those who who
do not remember, I was two years ago now, emails
were leaked that John Gruden had said, had used racist tropes,
had you know, bash Cadell and use some slurs doing
that as well, and emails got out and eventually he
(20:01):
was fired for that. And the question is how these
get out because this is part of an investigation of
a lawsuit and should not have gone out. And you know,
the the prevailing wisdom has been Dan Snyder let this
out because he wanted to sort of take everyone down
with him, right, and be able to kind of you
to blackmail everyone in the NFL, which is everyone's thought
(20:22):
that that was you know, this was out because of that.
There was I thought that there was a story about
Jerry Jones that was out because of Daniel Snyder. And
the article goes into it was a goodell who leaked this?
Was it Demor Smith who I'd not heard that before,
but the timing is kind of interesting. It was Snyder, right,
It was Snyder. He threatened to do all these things
and did anyways, and now he's gone. I'm just I'm
(20:43):
just glad he's gone. LeVar. I am so glad for
the NFL and for the the Washington fans and players
that they will have a new owner who will care
much more about winning, who will put the resources in
they need to hire the right people to help the
franchise win and will not thread blackmail the league when
when when it doesn't go his way.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah. I live this as a as a Washington football player.
The environment was a toxic environment. I can confirm that firsthand.
Dan Snyder is not a morally an ethically uh sound man.
(21:24):
His rules of engagement change someone that seemingly seemed like
a really really dope dude in the beginning ultimately would
show you his his true.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Cost about the same time.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Right, Yeah, I was his first draft pick. Yeah, I
was first draft pick. So if there would be someone
who would know, it would probably be me.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I know. That's why it defers to you.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, yeah, he you know he's but he's a super
cool dude to begin with, and on the surface level,
he was super dope dude. We got really close. I
always tell people the story that, you know, I was
actually at some point I was so close with him
and the family. I would visit his dad while he
was you know, ill in the hospital, and I was
(22:08):
with him, around him for his last days, around him
and his mom. Well, I was around his dad and
his dad's wife. Yeah, so just to make sure it's clear,
And I was a pallbearer for him and in his
you know, in his his funeral. We were really close.
We used to sit together on the team playing, we
(22:30):
played chess, on the way to games or back from games.
We'd have long conversations. We've gone out to dinner, like
we were like the beginning of our relationship was a
really really harmonious relationship. It wasn't until the politics of
a contract got into the situation that really showed that
(22:53):
maybe it wasn't that we couldn't be cool, It was
just that business always was going to be more important
than anything else, more important in relationships, more important than
anything else, and whatever that business is. As to how
he sees it or you know, interpreted how business is
supposed to look and how it's supposed to feel at
(23:14):
the workplace with your employees and everything that's associated with it.
I think he just had a very very detached lens,
out of focused lens of what a healthy work environment
is supposed to be. And for one reason or another,
you know, everybody has their whole ideas and their assessments
(23:39):
as to why they think Daniel Snyder has been the
way that he has been. But you know, for me,
I looked at the situation and I just basically thought
to myself, it's just kind of like simple things that
you could have did to really really rally your team,
rally your building around you and around what the team represented,
(24:01):
and it was just constantly opportunities for that to take
place that never happened. It just never happened, right, you
you could. I always say, you know, you could know
the people who are taking care of the facility. I
speak to Vlati every day. I speak them as BJ
every day. You know, whoever our trainers were, I speak
to them every day, spend time with them. Our our
(24:22):
coaches you know in the in the weight room, speak
to him, spend time with them every day.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Equipment those people.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Not only did he not know who they were, but
if you did not, if you were not a person
of note, you were not allowed to. Now these are reports,
but and I was told this first hand, by the way,
so this isn't like a report. This is me and
the building, and I'm being told by other employees, my
colleagues in the in the building, that this is what
(24:51):
they've been told to do, which was you have to
put your head down and don't look at him when
he comes in. Don't even look at him, right, And
if you're if you're in a cit suation where you're
addressing him, you have to say mister, you have to
address him as mister Snyder. You can't call him Dan,
you gotta call him mister Snyder. So it was just
things like, you know, trying to establish an environment to
(25:16):
me that was more set and geared towards UH, really
really building up and stroking an ego. And I think
that it became the arrogance and the culture of the
Upper Brass to be the same way Bruce Island was
a douchebag, big time, one ten out of ten douche right,
(25:40):
other guys that had been with them. I'm sorry, listen,
I ain't going I ain't gonna hold you, but I'm
gonna just keep it real. Tony Wiley, you were schmuck
while you were dealing with him as well.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
You were Now what words we can use on Trust radio? Okay,
all right, I'm taking note.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Carl Swanson, you were shmucking it out to anybody. Mark,
Mark you were. You were schmucking it out to Uh.
I don't forget your last name for some reason, but
it just seemed like everyone who came in and and
and Vinnie, Vinnie, you were my guy, but you know what,
you were schmucking it out to Vinnie. All these guys
(26:20):
would come in and what happened was they would they
would give in and give way to the arrogance of
how Dan Snyder handled things, and they became a part
of an entourage. So when Jay gruten came in and
took over as a coach, he did the same exact
thing when mcglowing, but mcgluing came in as the GM
(26:43):
and he did the same thing. Like everything was about
just ego tripping, Like your ego goes to a whole
nother place. Because that's what Dan Snyder valued was was
the ego and the feel of how him and his
his cronies, how they how they moved, and how they
looked when they did that at the owner's meetings going
into the games. You know, whatever it may have been,
(27:05):
it was all just based off of a facade. You know,
you were creating this this image of being like like
the dude I mean he was walking around shots out
to security because Mike and those guys, all the guys
that were doing security, I mean, super dope dudes. But
he'd have fully armed you know, agents that were walking
(27:26):
with him around the building. What Like he was never alone,
Like he was never by himself. He always had his
security with him and they were always weird, superware, my gee,
super weird. Like no matter where he was at he
was moving around, was he afraid of to me? I
don't think it was him being afraid. It was intimidation,
(27:48):
like he was trying to create the intimidation factor or
the factor, this larger than life figure. And no one
ever looked at him as larger than life. They just
looked at him as little Danny. You know why, right,
you know? And so anyway, it's interesting that this report
coming out as it applied to someone else that was
(28:08):
being pinpointed, it was still linked back to Washington and
the culture that was there, and it ultimately led to
a lot of investigative moves. It led to the pressure
of him having to eventually, you know, put this team
on the market. Now, if you're paying attention, the team
still hasn't been sold. It hasn't gone through yet, correct.
You know we're in July. This is July twelfth. You know,
(28:30):
this has been going on for quite some time. The
team still has not settled on its new ownership group,
and it has not moved. Now why I continue to
hear that it's moving and it's going to happen. It
still hasn't happened yet. So I find out to be interesting.
He's the sole owner, I believe, of all all of
the Washington team. Because if you recall he was being
(28:53):
fought by other minority owners and he ended up winning
or getting them up out of the way, so just
being his team. But I mean, there's just so many
details of this, Like I know some of the cheerleaders
that were involved with with what took place, and they're
always constantly hit me up telling me, make sure you
put it out there. We want to see the report released.
(29:15):
You know, we need to be able to see what
the report is. And I don't disagree with her. I
don't disagree with them. You know, Melanie is one of
the people I'll say, I'll call it out by name
because she's they protest and they go from city to
city when these things are taking place. Melanie is part
of the people that lead the group of women that
were in these situations that took place. And I think
(29:37):
that this needs to be released, a report needs to
be released, because the biggest thing is I know we're
up on it, but just I just say this to
finish off, regardless of him selling the team, it should
not it should not remove all culpability from the things
and the damage that he's done, Like he ruined my career,
Like the way that thing was handled, it pretty much
(30:00):
my career, and I don't. I don't, I don't really.
For a long time, I guess I had denial issues
about like how much it impacted me and how much
it affected me. I was upset by it, and I
was I was very very bothered by it, and I
was told for a long time I was really angry,
and I didn't see it. I didn't believe it. I
didn't feel it. But I feel like a lot of
(30:21):
the fans that said it that they were probably correct,
like I was. I was upset.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I was.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I was angry at somebody that I was so close
with that we could end up where we were at,
and it was connected to the most important part of
my life, which was playing ball. But but now I
just look at it from the standpoint of the collateral
damage done to people that maybe didn't, you know, handle
it or get through it as well as I may have.
(30:47):
You know, like I moved on with my life that
have done done well since. But there are a lot
of people that were impacted by in a way where
you know, it was just very difficult for them. I
think they should have their opportunity to get closure too.
And I think that the reason why all of these
conversations are continuing to linger on is because he's trying
to get out of having any type of culpability once
(31:08):
he sells this team. And I think that that's something
that should not be compromised. I don't think it should
be compromised. Just because you sell the team doesn't mean
that you get to be exonerated from any and all
claims that have been against you that actually led to
you having to sell the team in the first place.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
So I think I think that's I mean, that's part
of what what he's trying to stipulate as as as
you know, if he sells a team, then you can't
release the report, right, he's trying to stipulate that.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I believe that's exactly right. He does not want the
damage to to further continue after he's done selling this team,
and I don't I just don't see how that there's
any way that you can There's no there's no way
that you can can do that, Like you just there's
no way that they can say that.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
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Speaker 2 (32:35):
All right, we're gonna go to my men op right now.
Petros Papadakis too, morn So good morning.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Sir, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hi Jeff, Hello, how are you?
I'm okay, I'm sitting here.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Are you gonna be in Vegas next week?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
I am? Oh? Yeah, I have to overlap.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
I know I hate going anywhere, and if I have
to go somewhere, I really don't want to go to
Las Vegas.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Las Vegas is good, really you want to know?
Speaker 6 (33:06):
Yes, I feel like Las Vegas is a horrible place
for myriad reasons. Number one, I would say it's always
dangerous to be anywhere like Disneyland or somewhere like that
where people feel entitled to a good time, Like they
(33:28):
feel like if I'm not having a good time, I'm
wasting my time and money, which I guess is the
case in Vegas.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
So everybody ends.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
Up kind of like clawing over each other like rats,
you know, in a drowning situation, clawing for that good time.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
The other thing that bothers me about Vegas, So it's
like you get this frantic kind of vibe with everybody,
kind of like a line outside the club sort of
vibe everywhere at all times. And that brings in the
wristband culture of Las Vegas, which is like there's always
something better than what you have, Like, yeah, you might
(34:08):
have that special risk band and the three level club
party table service at this particular place or something, but
you don't have the super special risk band. Yeah, where
the guys being filated by a dolphin in a special jacuzzi.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
You know.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
Wow, you know there's always something that is way better
than what you got, and not to that's not to
say like you shouldn't be happy with what you have,
but they rub it in your face, you know, like
you see the guy that the jacuzzi, the guy that
is with the dolphin in is see through, you know,
so they put it in your face. Also, like the
(34:48):
world of paying like six seven hundred, eight hundred, nine
hundred dollars for a nice decent hotel room, well we
live there though, right Like you know, you can pay
even more than that, And most places they charge you
a bunch of money for a hotel and they'll call
you a cab. Las Vegas is the only place where
(35:11):
you're paying nine hundred bucks a night for a room.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
You got to pay extra to use the gym.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
You do have to pay to use the gym, twenty dollars.
I had to pay.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Yeah, and you're already paying a thousand bucks or whatever.
And then you want to go take a cab somewhere,
you got to wait in this a whole cab line.
My point is they do so much volume as far
as people go, like Disneyland, that they don't know the
difference between somebody staying in the hotel or a frat
(35:42):
boy who's barfing on the carpet who just came from
the Four Queens. So it just to me is there's
if you're gonna spend money and try to enjoy yourself,
there's so many other places to do it.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Now.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
I am in agoraphobe and I don't really like going anywhere,
so take that with a grain of salt. But yes,
I will be in Las Vegas with with all of
our friends in the Mountain West and the Pac twelve.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yeah, I gotta do Mountain West.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Can you guys have a big hug and send me.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Course we will, but I'm only going to be there.
I have to come back.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
For a funeral. Send me to Sophie.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
Yeah, and then I have to go to the Savannah Bananas.
You ever heard of what that is?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, yeah town? Right now?
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Yeah, I have to take my son to see about Okay, no, no,
it's amazing. It's like the Harlem Globe Trotters of baseball,
A huge deal, got it.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Guy used to know what's his name? Eric Burns, the
guy from U C.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
L A.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I think he's behind it in some way or another.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Maybe he's not.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
I don't know, but uh yeah, So so I will
be there. I have to do the Mountain West meetings
for Fox, so they bring in all the different Mountain
West coaches. For me, I got to sit in a
room and then I got to go to the most
awkward dinner on Earth, the PAC twelve.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Buddy, Oh yeah, can we talk about that? Like all right,
So the PAC twelve is deteriorating, to say the least,
very quickly. Op, And I just I wonder does it
does it does it go to nothing? Does it does
(37:25):
it disbend, or does it does it dissolve?
Speaker 6 (37:28):
That's a good question because most people don't. They don't
want to cut to the bone.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
And ask that question, right, Yeah, they.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Want to ask about San Diego State something like that,
and you know, deteriorating quickly. I would say it appears
that way, but only because, like it appears that a
guy at the end of running one hundred or two
hundred meters is going faster, and the truth is that
(37:57):
guy's not going faster, he's just maintaining. And that's what's
happened to the PAC twelve. And I've tried desperately to
make this point, and I don't think anybody wants to
hear it. And it used to be a point that.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
A lot of our.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
Journalist colleagues, like John Canzano and John Wilner really made
first and got us all riled up. And now they've
kind of taken a different direction with their reporting, which
is understandable. But the truth is this happened the day
Larry Scott did his deal. The PAC twelve was irreparably
harmed and has been bleeding out ever since. Their deal
(38:38):
got them, you know, eleven twelve million dollars less than
everybody else was making that they were trying to compete with.
You multiply that by you know, whatever a decade. You know,
you're talking about one hundred and twenty million dollars, and
that's one hundred and twenty million dollars per due has
that you don't have because your idiot commissioner would not
(38:59):
partner with a television partner that had distribution or knew
how to put television on. And then it's on the
university presidents for not noticing that they were bleeding out,
looking down and seeing all the crimson flowing from the
conference and just looking forward and saying everything's great, and
paying this guy millions of dollars literally to destroy the
(39:22):
structure of West Coast college football.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
And that is what's happened. It is awful. It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
The PAC ten, PAC twelve and traveling those cities and
understanding their past is a huge part of who I
am as a broadcaster and my history in my employment.
And I am devastated. But what's going to happen? I mean,
if I had to guess, the four corner schools go
(39:50):
to the Big twelve, Oregon and Washington get a probationary
deal or a full piece of the pie. One way
or another, they're going to be there permanent, lee into
the Big ten. And then teams that I really like
and are really concerned about, Kyle Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State,
we're going to have to figure out where do they
(40:12):
go right and probably to the Mountain West. And the
thing is it's not going to be very different from
who they are now. Like the money the deal that
the PAC twelve did made them more like the Mountain
West than the Big ten or the Big twelve or
the SEC or the teams they're trying.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
To compete with.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
And that's basically, there's nothing wrong with the Mountain West,
but it's a different level. And that's the level the
PAC twelve immediately became when they lost the Los Angeles market.
I hate to be LA centric, but there is no
PAC twelve without LA and it's.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Not even close.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
You can't market the conference without that piece, and San
Diego State is not going to fill that hole. So yeah,
I mean it's over. It's been over.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
So you know, I feel exactly the same way you
do about all this. I'm from Los Angeles. I went
to Oregon, like I do, patrol radio for heavnsdays for
the last five years, So I feel the same way
that you do about the regionality of the sport. Right
how the West Coast, there's a fabric there with all
the teams. They play each other each year, there's a
history there. You obviously cover a lot of their games,
(41:23):
You've called their games fears. You went to USC. However, nationally,
can you make the argument this is good right USC,
Ohio State? You seel a Michigan like these better games,
Oklahoma playing Georgia and Texas playing band I know they're
playing non conference this year, but the games themselves, petros
are better football matchups.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Well, they'll be a great deal of interest from the city.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
Of Los Angeles to the rest of the world of
college football and they'll be planning to promote, which isn't
to say there'll be other stuff to promote at other schools,
and the landscape will move on, and honestly, I don't
even know how long the conferences will last. I mean,
the TV deals are the TV deals, but at some
(42:09):
point they just got to get out from under the
umbrella of the NCAA, which we talk about all the time,
create more of a revenue situation, because I mean, guys,
this word nil, I mean most of the stuff we
say is nil isn't even nil.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
It's just a booster plan. A guy a pay a
guy to play.
Speaker 6 (42:29):
I mean, it's the same as we used to do
for decades under the table. As far as football competition, yeah,
I'm interested as hell. I want to see what USC
is like playing at Northwestern or something in October. You know,
it's going to be very interesting. And I think there's
going to be more and more of that in college football.
(42:49):
And to be honest, there's been that in college football
our entire lifetimes. In before change has been the constant.
The Southwest Conference was something that people used to adore,
you know, and it's gone. Oklahoma Nebraska don't play anymore.
You know, BYU and Utah didn't play every year, so
(43:10):
there's always change, seismic change happening. But it is awful
hard to say goodbye to USC at Washington State.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
You know, on a Thursday night in November, lamb to
the slaughter.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
You know, Dion is recovering and is back in the saddle,
and he seems to be the kind of the lone
lightning rod of I don't know attention for the PAC
twelve outside of talking about its demise right now, but
I mean, what would happen if he wasn't able to coach?
(43:50):
Like I started thinking this the other week the other.
Speaker 6 (43:52):
Day, like if he can't coach, well, you got to
get him the Hugh Freeze Dennis bed and then put
him up in the moods.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 6 (44:02):
I mean it's interesting, you know, LeVar, because we talked
a lot about Dion and the question that you asked
her a statement you made within the question about how
he's the lightning rod of publicity right now for the conference,
and I would say, yes, that's absolutely true right now,
right yeah. And and Fox is going to take advantage
(44:25):
of that. They are going to use that, They're going
to put Colorado on. I think the first two weeks,
two of the first three games they have on will
be big Noon, not just Fox. You know, it's not
just it's not like I'm showing up calling the game.
I mean they're going to do the whole thing. Brady
Quinn and mark ingram now so that they'll promote the
(44:45):
hell out of that. And and Colorado has throwing one
gigantic off season party. It reminds me of like when
the Lakers drafted Lonzo Ball, right, you know, you throw,
you throw like a three month party. You talk about
his shoes, you talk about, oh, look at a co
Prime sweatshirt and all this stuff. Water is going to
find its level and they're probably not going to be
as interesting to watch during the season as they were
(45:09):
in the offseason, would be my prediction. And during the season,
pac twelve storylines will be Cam Rising at Utah, Michael
Pennix at Washington, Caleb Williams at USC, Heisman winner, you know,
probably the best player in college football. And can USC
(45:32):
play better on defense? Can they create more of an
amalgamated team vibe. That's a tall task for Lincoln Riley.
So I think the storylines will shift to kind of
the more proven entities, and for the last year of
the Pac twelve as we know it, it's a hell
(45:52):
of a sendoff, right, I forgot bo Nicks at Oregon,
you know, I mean so, I mean that's going to
be the storyline when the season and starts, I think.
And the off season parties that were thrown. I mean,
I remember the off season parties that es He used
to throw when Kiffen was the coach, or Sark or Helton,
(46:13):
and they'd be like, well, yeah, the guys terrible and
the West Coast Football's in disarray because USC is a mess.
But hey, did you see this recruiting class. It's like, God, guys,
we've been through this before. You know, when the season starts,
it feels a lot different. So off season parties, and
I think those parties will end in September.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Lust for me very quickly. On your Trojans, Yeah, they
have more talent on defense, but besides you know, one
defensive line, they don't have much depth on their defense, right,
and we've seen now history of Alex Gringe defenses. They
had talent Oklahoma, two guys, they weren't just like an
untalented bunch.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
There No one wants to think about that.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
In LA.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
No one wants to look at you.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
I know, so do you.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
I can't believe that Lincoln Riley teams give up points.
They can't believe it out here.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
I think I saw the number that give up like
four points, like eighteen times. And since it's ridiculous, do
you see USC being any better on defense? I think
they play much tougher schedule. I think turnovers. You're not
going to force twenty seven turnovers. Again, I am not
as high on USC winning the conference as others might be.
Speaker 6 (47:16):
Well, USC's turnover thing masked an issue that really caught
up later in the year. Right, they forced dtr into
three interceptions. Otherwise they were losing that UCLA game. Yes,
and obviously we saw what Utah did to him twice.
Tulane scored at Will. I mean at Will, I mean
(47:37):
I did the Colorado game. Colorado ran the ball well,
I mean he did. It's interesting because there's something about
offensive coaches. There's something about these very special offensive coaches
that the other side of the ball gets left out there. Now,
(47:57):
what happened at SC last year is hard to imagine.
I mean, I do know how quickly that team was
slapped together, and I think the real miracle, like you said,
is the twenty seven turnovers, the offense they put together
and the success they had. You juxtaposed that with one
of the most embarrassing moments in USC football history. I mean,
(48:19):
this is USC football, and they could barely field a
team against Cal that last game with the interim coach
and all that, and that was really ugly. Guys didn't
want to play. People were disgruntled, and that should not
ever happen fielding a team in a USC uniform. But
(48:41):
it did. And privately, Lincoln Riley does cite that. He says,
you know, to USC people, he says, you know, you
saw what we were up against, and you saw what
we've done.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
Now watch us build it. With the lack of.
Speaker 6 (48:54):
Depth and the way they leave the offense, the way
the offense leaves the defense out there, Jeff, it's hard
not to feel the same. But it's hard to imagine
them being worse defensively too. I mean, you would expect
them to be a little bit better, since it's a
point of emphasis, but you know, with the transfer portal
and the way things go, there's no way to know
(49:16):
unless we start playing right. So I can't wait to
see how they've addressed it. And maybe if they run
the ball a little more, try to keep Caleb on
the field a little longer, take some air out of
the ball in situations to help the defense out.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
We'll see how that plays out.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Well, there you have it. That's the Old P. Thank
you guys, OLDP on Twitter, Petro Papadecaz you could catch
them on the Petro Some Money Show and a superior
super dope analyst for Fox College Football. We appreciate you. Pe.
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