September 13, 2023 • 49 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Aaron Rodgers future is up in the air after a confirmed Achilles tear. Deion Sanders and Colorado continue to dominate the ratings and The Old P, Petros Papadakis stops by to Deion, Caleb Williams and fire alarms.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Airings and Rady Quinn and Jonas Knox
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
He's back, Lat's back, Brady Quinn back in the house,
back in the building.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
It's been too long. It took some time to you know,
do a little charity work to kind of something special
there and uh a memory of nine to eleven. So
pretty pretty neat deal. I got the chance to be
a part of UH in New York. Uh just you know,
obviously for all those who lost someone and I remember
(00:40):
back to nine to eleven, it was it was a
day that it was important to me to kind of
go back and support a cause and a charity that
was again you know, wanting to make sure we always
remember that day. And uh, you know, for me it
was it was a ton of fun being around in a
different community, a golf community. I'm afraid to say who
was around because LeVar is not the biggest fan of him.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So, I mean, what do you do you want to
give like a hint or.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I mean someone someone says the greatest of all time, you.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Know, I mean David, Yeah, David.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
They're both lights. Can je.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I mean we're already going there.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Wow, that came out quick.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Can I go with Tiger Woods? Oh wow, look at
you hanging out?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Do not dislike Tiger Woods.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
It seems like every time I just don't like golf. Okay,
and he's included in that category.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Personal here Tiger, Wind him up, wind them up, get
him going.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Well, no, that's uh. I know you were out there
for a couple of days. So to get to hang
out with Tiger and obviously more important, that's.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Pretty cool talk. Can you want to talk about that?
I mean, I think that's pretty.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I would just say this. I mean, you know, him
him coming back from from the leg injury, the car acident,
everything else, you know, seeing him, you know, and how
it's still impacting him if he could come back. And
I was saying this to Uh, there's a number of
other PGA Tour players who are out there. Will Zalatoris,
Ricky Fowler, Kevin Kissner, Uh, some others as well. Justin
(02:23):
Thomas was out there, I said, I said to will
zala Taurus. I was like that, it's incredible he was
able to make cuts like not just like get I mean,
get out there and play but make cuts. If you
were if you saw him just walking around, you'd be like,
no way, that guy's need to be able to compete
with some of the best to ever do it, uh,
in the game right now. And it's just you know,
(02:47):
he's It's sad because I think for a lot of
us that remember how great he was in his prime.
You know, when you see him walk around now, you're like,
there's no way he's gonna be able to get back
to that. So you know, he's the ambassador for golf
you'll will be and he's a he's a tremendous guy
when you talk to him and pick his brain about stuff.
But it's, uh, you know, he's battled through a lot
(03:08):
of physical you know, ailments, and it's gonna be hard
to ever you know, see him back even close to
what he wants to used to be.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, it sucks.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Did it break your heart? Like seeing him look like
physically frail there? Honestly you ever had you ever seen
either before?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Now, i'd seen him before, but I hadn't seen him
and talked to him in person since you know, he's
been through all that, the car actsident everything else, and
you know, seeing seeing him in that light. Yet like, yeah,
there was an element of that. I mean, obviously he's built.
You know, his upper body's fine, it's just his his
lower body with that one leg, and you see that.
You see the way he moves around and walks around.
(03:47):
You're like, man, I don't know how he'll ever be
able to. You know, you're you're out there walking eighteen
holes for at least a couple of days to make
a cut, let alone over the course of a weekend,
and trying to play a seventy two holes. It was
just it would be a lot, I think for him
to be able to. I mean, if he misssteps one
way or another, you know he's gonna feel it in
that leg, in that you know, foot, knee, ankle, everything. Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well listen, not the smoothest transition here on this one.
But speaking of injuries, Aaron Rodgers, lots changed since the
last time you were with us there, Brady Quinn Rogers,
I mean, oh my god, man.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I'll say this. We were sitting and listening to you know,
Michael Strahan who was hosting you know, Tiger and Ricky
and these guys up on stage talking about, you know,
doing a different little game show and Monday night football
is on. And when that happened, you could feel in
the room like there was a collective like everyone started
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looking their phone. People kind of started looking around, whispering,
talking to each other at the tables, and there was
like something was going on. I looked at my phone.
I was like, I had no way, you cannot I
cannot believe this happened. I mean, only to Jets fans
was something like this would happen.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It's an awful situation. And it was confirmed yesterday Rogers
is going to miss the remainder of the year with
the torn achilles tendon. That, you know, not a surprise
for anybody. You saw the reports that came out, you
saw the video that came out of the pop in
the back of the leg, so it was to be expected.
Head coach Robert Sala of the New York Jets spoke
yesterday not only about how he felt about Rogers and
(05:23):
just his heartbreak for Rogers himself, but what the future
could be like for Number eight.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
He's invested so much into this organization, so much into
this journey that he's embarked on, and wanting to be
a part of what we've got going here. And I
have a lot of emotions for him. He's down, you know,
I'll let him answer those questions. I did not get
into the future of what he's expecting. I think that's
(05:49):
a conversation lets for another day. But as you can imagine,
with everything that he's invested and at lasting four plays,
he's obviously a little disappointing. I think speak for everyone
in the organization.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
We all want him here, we all want.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Him to be connected, and I think he wants to
be here. But again that's something that will continue to
talk about, just trying to let him breathe and give
him some time to digest everything that's happening.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
So thirty nine years old now everything's sort of up
in the air for Rogers and what his playing career
looks like moving forward. Can't imagine he walks away though,
I mean going out on that note. I just can't
imagine that would be the move for him.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
That's the question, right, like, does he say, you know,
maybe this wasn't meant to be, Maybe this is a
sign I don't know. Far he seems to be one
of those guys who's a little more into that sort
of thing, you know.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Spiritually tapped in Huh, what do you think are you?
I don't see for the reasons why he went to
New York in the first place would most likely be
the reasons why the same reasons why he would be
willing to go through the painful, long process of healing
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and rehabbing from a rupture achilles tended. I don't think
his I don't think his motivations have changed.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
In fact, I.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Would assume that his motivation maybe is larger now just
for the simple fact that he wasn't able to get
out there and show improve whatever it was that he
wanted to show improve coming to New York. So I
think that chip is bigger.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
I don't think he looks at it as I wasn't
meant to be. Let me just fade into the you know,
to the darkness. I think he rehabs it. I think
he comes back, and I think he tries it again.
But my question is timeline wise, can he pull that
off to be effective by next season.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I know, I know he did it.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I know there's ample amount of time because he did
it and it's the first part.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Of the year.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
But I just that is a difficult injury to come
back from. Man, it's a difficult injury. I would say
probably again, it took it took me over a year
to fill somewhat normal from from rupturing my achilles tenant
like over a year, and.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
And I think you played a position that would be
much more difficult to come back from. And that's fair,
you know. And I mean ideally, I mean it's I
don't want to speak out of both sides of my mouth,
but ideally, I think there's enough time. I think he'll
be he'll be full go, ready to go by fall,
you know. I mean, if you look at the timeline
now being September, you know, six months now is kind
(08:37):
of the time frame where he should be one hundred
percent full go after that time, I mean since you've
since you did yours, there's been a lot of advancements. Now,
oh absolutely, I mean the surgery itself is less invasive
that you know, he's gonna have surgery probably here in
the next seven days. They'll get that thing going and
they'll start, you know, he'll start rehabbing here in the
next couple of weeks. So it's a lot's changed since
(08:59):
since you suffered that and had to deal with that.
Six to the only thing I was gonna say was like, yes,
his position is different than yours, and ideally he's just
playing for the pocket. He's not, you know, I have
to worry about someone hanging on him. But how he
got injured. When I went back and was watch the game,
watching the play, I was thinking to myself, you know,
(09:20):
one of the reasons why Tom Brady was able to
play for so long so successfully was he got the
ball out of his hand. You guys recall when he
went to Tampa, he usually led the league in getting
the ball out of his hand faster than anyone, was
like two point five seconds. So think about that, like
from snap to throw two point five seconds. I mean,
if you've got like guy like LeVar, you've got like
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an edge rusher enough time. Hell no, I mean it's
ten If you look at the ten yards split at
the combine every year, right, the fastest guys who are
edge rushers are like a one point five zero for
their ten yards, and that's they're impeded the underpead, no pads.
(10:01):
They're in a track outfit sprinting off the ball, let alone,
having to work around a three hundred pound offensive line
and trying to stop them. So let's so you got
one point five seconds at the fastest case off the line,
then you got another second you gotta get you got
to get to the quarterback. And that was one of
the things that I think, you know, Tom Brady was
able to play so long so successfully. Kurt Warner did
(10:22):
that really, really well. I mean, if you look at
guys who are able to play up as they get
older in age, it has a lot to do with,
you know, get rid of the football. Watching that play,
I was kind of like, man, if he just gets
rid of the ball and we're not having this conversation
right now, are we? Probably not.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
He also was under siege and they at least not today.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, yeah, that's it. It would have taken longer. But
the general point is, yeah, he can come back. He'll
be full go. He'll be ready to go if he
wants to by next year. But there's there's gonna have
to be an element of, you know, get rid of
the football and making sure he understands like the offense
may look and feel a little different and some of
(11:02):
the stuff that he's done in the past. I think
at least if he's he's going to be able to
at that age play and play successfully and not have
to worry.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
About any sort of and can he be successful without
holding the ball and moving around? That's been a part
of his game, That's right, you know, and you change
the essence of somebody's DNA of where their success comes from.
Some guys can do it, you know, but sometimes, I
mean at his age, would it be feasible to think
that he could have that level of success without having
(11:33):
or thinking subscribing to what has made him great in
the past. Yeah, I think that would be a tremendously
large question to be answered if if I'm Aaron Rodgers
and if I'm the ones that are coaching them.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I mean, we were talking about this, Brady yesterday. There
were some people I know, David Baktiari and some others
that throughout well, you know, it's the turf, met life
turf and right, I mean Robert Sala even said, Look,
I understand the argument for grass over turf. I think
all players would like to play on natural grass, but
that wasn't a turf issue. That was a Leonard Floyd
(12:06):
landed on you and your achilles exploded like that wasn't
really a turf issue. Do you fall on the same
line at that to a degree.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I mean, I think people feel like even the way
his cleek got cut underneath when Leonard Floyd landed on that,
if it was grass, it would have given out, you know.
I think that's the general consensuses. When those cleats get
dug in the turf, they're not going anywhere, you know,
the ground and all the force of Floyd and Rogers
(12:35):
on top of it, it's not pushing the ground to
give way. And there is an element of that. I mean,
I think i'd said, you guys, some stats like so
far this year, in my notes, there's been fourteen Achilles
ruptures after one week in the NFL are something along
those lines, which it seemed like it was a little high.
(12:57):
But I think last year in general, there was like
eight team throughout the entire NFL season. And some people,
you know, use stats like that and they try to
point to, Oh, it's got to be the artificial turf,
and maybe there's something to do with that. It could
honestly be, you know, the amount of you know, training
that's required to prepare your body for playing an NFL game.
(13:19):
I mean, one of the things we're seeing with a
lot of these soft tissue injuries is guys aren't playing
the preseason, so I don't I don't care if it's
from a workout perspective, preparing your body for the load,
the forest, the strain it's gonna get when you get
in these you know, these you know, precarious situations, or
if you're talking about just not getting the reps and
(13:42):
the intensity in the preseason. Maybe I just don't remember
this as much. But I feel like when guys used
to play in the preseason, when it started, used to play,
you saw like guys who weren't facing this sort of thing.
Come week one, week two, week three, it feels like
we're singing more and more because guys aren't in that situation.
You know, this is really the first, you know, true
level of high intensity playing they're doing.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
I just for me, I just recall again the conversations
that I had, and I had a lot of them
because I was trying to base what I was going
to do in the future moving forward off of the
information I gathered from other guys that had to go
through and endure the injury. I just recalled there there
(14:25):
were a lot of similarities in the things that were
discussed as as I mentioned on the show yesterday, and
one of those things that were discussed was leading up
to rupturing your achilles tended. There were there were signs,
really were signs. Yeah, he take calf or something like
tight calf. Like for me, I had like a there
(14:46):
was like a vibrating like if if I if I
ever touched my heel or anything like the wrong way,
my my heel would vibrate like there was like weird
or something. Yeah, you son of a gun. Yeah something
like that. No, not viborate like like a valin string.
But but maybe you know, I meant like you and
(15:07):
like you know, I guess what you think about it? Yeah,
I guess so yeah, not that I was going to
relate to you because I was not at not that
I visualize what you said.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah yeah maybe yeah, yeah, like a Vallin string plucked
plucked or no, because like camp when you when you
drop back it's on right like if you're right handed,
your push off your back leg my right achilles the same.
It would be like the same thing. And depending on
the type of shoe I was wearing. I actually said
(15:36):
this to a Nike rap recently. Uh, when we were bolder,
you know, they're they're all they're obviously with coach Prime
and all that, and he's like, hey, man, you're a
Nike anymore. I'm like, no, I'm not. I was like
every foot injury and I ever had it was in
your shoes. Thanks for that. I'm being honest. Damn I
make those damn things and sweat and so I always
(15:59):
felt like depending on the tape of shoetwear, and once
we got towards Enna camp Man, that thing felt like
it was gonna my VI was gonna blow out, like
it's so tight, and it was like, man, I couldn't
even walk down the hall.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
So we are relating because I felt all of those things.
I can remember. I can recall the game before I
or one of the games. I know we were playing
in Atlanta and I was running after Michael Vick and
I put my foot down or something happened, and the
vibration in the heel of my foot was so wild
(16:32):
that I lost the feeling in my foot and actually
like like pulled my foot up and started limping off
the field just came off, had to come off for
a minute.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
It subsided. It was almost you know what it would
feel like.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
It would probably be the equivalent of maybe you're getting
your funny bone hit.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
That's what it felt like.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
And I just recalled like for the longest time i'd
used the stretching board, I'd be on the stretching board
all the time. I'm stretching board, stretching, and next week
you show yeah, not stretching table.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
So it was stretched was the table?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
No, that this one was more for your achilles tendant
and your calves.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
About that little like half roller thing, No, No, it's
like a it's like a plane.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
It's like a like a piece of wood, you know
that you can adjust from hype. Oh yeah, I said
that thing. Yeah, stretch your stretch your calf out. It
did feel good.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah. I used to do that though, and just want
to go to sleep, Like, man, this feels really nice.
I don't know why I stretched my calves would make
me feel sleepy, but it felt really nice.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
And then I didn't and I was standing there literally,
you know, me and Jason Whitten were engaged and we
were dancing and my my achilles tended just fully ruptured.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Boom didn't even do anything crazy. He's a dancer, yeah,
dancer for money.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Yeah, to what you want him to do. I mean,
the way I dropped to the ground, he could have
threw someones at.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Me like I was a geez.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Well it makes you feel any better. You're a better
broadcaster in Jason Witten. So there's that. I don't know
about all that, well I do. I mean, it's it's
it's not hard to be team bar here.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
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Speaker 2 (18:27):
There's been a lot of discussion about how this whole
thing was going to go with Deon Sanders in Colorado.
Apparently things have gone all right because the ratings are
out and the Colorado Nebraska game was the highest viewed
college football game of the weekend, and that even beat
out the Alabama Texas game, which was in quote unquote
(18:49):
primetime where Quinn Ewers was, you know, pulling a Johnny
Manzel and Tusca loos and throwing all over the field
in that game. But Colorado Nebraska the highest rated college
football game of the weekend, and I don't know who's
who's calling the shots over there at a big noon kickoff.
But to me, I just go back to Boulder, And
in fact, I wouldn't even like break down any of
(19:11):
the production or any of the stuff that's already there.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Relaxed. They got a pretty good game this week.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Well, I'm just saying, like, if it were me, if
I were calling the shots here, I would just say,
you know what, everybody, even though we were just here,
and even though it's Colorado State and it's a night game,
I'd get our asses back out to Boulder and make
this happen again. But again, I'm just throwing out ideas here.
I don't actually call the shots there for big new kickoffs.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Well, hey, ask and you shall receive. We're back at
mood this way. Yeah serious, Coach Prime, are you serious? Yeah? Yeah?
Penn State game. There was an audible h Joel Klatt,
Gus Johnson will be calling Penn State Illinois. We will
hopefully us as many things as you know in the
(19:54):
TV business can kind of happen on the fly, hopefully
covering a lot of penns State because they're a really
good football team and Drew Drew Aller is a legit,
legit you know, college QB, and we'll be a top
ten prospect. And I'm I'm like, I think this is
Penn State's here, I really do. So we'll be covering
(20:16):
it from afar. We'll be up in the Rocky Mountains
as we're hanging around Coach fra Yeah, I don't know
if I should give you a little bit of a
tweaker announcement. Maybe I'll tease it, but uh, we're gonna
have a performance from Lil Wayne while we're out there.
It is pulling out all the stops, all right. There'd
(20:36):
be some a lot of celebrities. Gronk's gonna be out
there as well as a part of it. Gonna have
one of the other I'll say, greatest dual sport athletes.
I'll say, although I don't know what the acam, who's that?
Bob Jackson, not Bo, not Bo, but well, I'll put
it in he never played the other sport, but I
believe he guy drafted relatively very high.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Oh Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
No sar as someone who's had some success out there
in those Rocky mountains. Oh Russell Wilson, Well, he'll be busy.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Okay, trying to make dual sport athletes here.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Dual sports.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Oh John Elway, come on, that's idiot.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
That's John Elway. Did get drafted. Damn.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
You guys are bringing out all the stops there.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Well, I and the Wu Tang was there last week.
I mean they had Bruh Dion got everybody and their
mother coming.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We saw Shannon Sharp, Michael Irvin, t O, There's a
bunch of NBA players. Uh. Wu Tang was there. It
was crazy. But I mean literally, there will be a
low Wayne performance during our show. Yeah. I'm not even
sure what I'll be talking about are doing, but they'll
be that.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So I mean you'll be a grooving to a little weazy.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah. I'll be the white guy in a suit, which
was gonna feel so appropriate for a basically a party,
right Like, I'm gonna be the guy who walks to
the party over dress, going huh, what's going on here? Now?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Are you going to have David Anderson little wine?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Does anyone have a prosecco? I get does? Please? God?
I just saw that bottle of prosecco and it just
don't stay in that living room rug over there? What's happening?
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Look at him, Johns, where did that bottle of prosucco go?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Hale loves it? So now are you gonna you invite
David Anderson out there? He's a Colorado State alone, he
can watch his team get the doors blown off him.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, I'm not sure how much we're much love we're
giving to Colorado State, although they do have. It's really interesting.
So Travis Hunter, right, the wide receiver, defensive back, cornerback
for CU. It plays like one hundred and twenty plus
snaps on average per game, maybe like one hundred and thirty.
And there's a player for Colorado State that's up there.
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He's he's probably top five as far as both snaps
per game between defense and then special teams. He doesn't
play offense, but he's a he's a safety. His name
was Henry Blackburn. But it's just interesting, like we always
talk about like snaps playing the game, and everyone's always
you know, pointing to like a two way player on
offense and defense. But there's some dudes who battle out
there on special teams too, uh, that are playing either
(23:12):
offense or defense that are out there on the field
a lot. So kind of interesting storyline. But you know
CSU's zero to one. They had a couple of weeks
to prepare for this one, so it is a rivalry game. Well,
we'll see if if they have any shot of stopping
what's been a prolific passing attack of Colorado.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
All right, so Lil Wayne performances aside.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
By the way, var can I ask you a question? Sure,
I feel like he's called himself a number of things
over time. Is it like, like I don't even know?
How do I approach him? Do I call him like
mister Wayne? Is it mister Weezy? Is it like little
wee Like? Do I call him like Wayanne?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Like you calling Wayne? I would say Wayne would be
the best one, really, yeah, on a respectable level, Like
you know.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
That's the thing, is like when you meet someone for
the first time, I don't want to come off as disrespectful,
So like I don't even.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Know, there's no way I don't unless you meant to
be disrespectful. I don't think you could be disrespectful calling
him by any of his the names that he's gone by.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, but what's he going by? Now?
Speaker 2 (24:12):
What's his real name? By the way, you guys want
to guess what his real name is. I don't know
what it is. But let's you just want to take
some guesses on this. I'll take it. I'll take a
couple of.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Cracks Sean Carter, Carter or something like that. I'm gonna
go car something Carter.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Oh, yeah, it's Wayne. He's Wayne. So let's go with
I don't know Wayne Carter.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
It's you know, I was gonna go with like Jonathan
Steinberg or something like that.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Jeez, what what's wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I can't take that, Like I can't take a real.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Sim Do you know Little Wayne's real name?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
No, you don't know Little Wayezy's name there, because I
think he's got an al called the Carter.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Yeah, like a few of them. I think you got
to assume that it's the Wayne. You have to assume
that it's Dwayne because his nickname is Wayne.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Stupid.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
We're just using like like so we don't sound like
total morons to the world out.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
There, Like his name is Dwayne Michael Carter Jr. Okay,
we know it's that, all right. I'm sure Twitter wants
to pop off. Yeah, you know, you know it's radio
just stick. Okay, we know what we're doing here.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
We're professionals. I will say this though, but.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I would call him way.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
I mean me and Wayne have talked on the phone
like at times like we do you guys talk talked
about projects, like working on things like the business.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I thought, maybe like a long day. You're like, weezy,
what's up man? And he's like a million a million,
a million a million million. You're like, all right, I'm
back into this. You dig a little Wayne bro that though,
like that that might be my next intro and into
our show. That might be my my my next PICKT.
(25:59):
Now that's really you're gonna disgrace Jimmy HENDRICKX like that.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
It's not a great open. What do you want from me?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yours? Just the worst? Every I'm gonna be honest with you.
Quick change up the order because every time I hear
them like.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Ah Jesus, that gets people ready.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
It doesn't. It makes me. I would want to give
someone a baseball bat and say just hit me in the.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Head edge crusher from Fear Factory at three Pacific time.
That'll get you going.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Man, No, it doesn't. It makes people probably want to
like make do violent crimes.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
All right, stop, well, let's put let's put the violence
down for a second. Can I just give credit where
credit's due that the backdrop for when you guys were
in Boulder last week was unbelievable, man. And I don't
know what time of year it snows there, but if
you're doing a game there later in the season and
you get those snow cap mountains, oh my god, yeah,
(26:49):
it's it's It is an awesome setup. It's an awesome scene.
And and that's why I highly recommended you guys go
back there for a second.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
At all. Yeah, no, I gotta work, dude, We're all live.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
But you guys, when you're done, like you guys finished up,
like when I was with you guys, you guys finished
up at a certain point in time. Yeah, the difference,
but you guys get up out of there soon as
soon as it's over though.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
No, no, no, no, no, no no, here's the misconception. So
the difference was that was the first time we ever
did a game that wasn't in the noon window. So
there was a game on that we threw a toss to,
and then we hung around for that Penn State Iowa game,
which was our three thirty Eastern time kick. Gotcha so
that was the first for us. This is a first
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in the sense of not only is it a night game,
but it's that game we don't have. We've never done
this before, so it'll be interesting to see what the
numbers look like coming off of for our show, specifically,
since we're not, you know, going to a game that
we have. We'll be tossing to Champagne Illinois for Penn State.
You know, fighting a line on right. Well, yeah, by
(27:58):
the way, eight, you're on set by like seven, seven thirty.
I'm like, we trust me. There was much time to tailgate.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
I tailgate crashed after the game. Hell yeah, I was crashing.
I crashed at least six seven eight tailgates.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, but at that time, if you think about it,
you guys had that game rolling, Clifford got hurt, and
then it was frustrating for you for Penn State fans
from that to point moving forward, but I'm talking about
this past Saturday. Oh this pas Oh yeah, how'd that go? They,
I mean, Penn State took care of business. I watched
some of the table so my son Refern too. But
(28:35):
you know, we we I wanted the tailgates. They they
bid open a hole into the can. We shot We
shot gunned a couple of bears. You know what you're doing. Uh, yeah,
I could.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
I'm not the greatest, like guzzler of liquids that way.
I'm just not not building this way, you know, yeah,
that way. But but I will say I was in
a festive mood and I actually did very well.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
You know, I did well. I kept up with those
young whipper snappers. Now, were you on the Penn State
or Delaware sideline for the game both? I was on both.
I was with the well. I was with Penn State
the majority, John, did you split halves? Like? Were you
on Penn States the first?
Speaker 5 (29:25):
No, I was on Delawares If I'm being fully honest,
I was on Delaware side for warm ups, warm ups.
That was the time I gave the Delaware on on
and my son on the side was the warm ups.
And then as soon as the warm ups were coming
to an end, then I stood with the A D
the rest of the time and then went to his
suite and went and visited the other suite, you know,
(29:46):
shook hands, kissed babies, you know, hung out with the
president of the universities. Did you say the whole game,
I did Okay, you told us before you the first
Hopefully hopefully I got my my holiday pitcher that I'll
be sending to you guys.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Hopefully we pulled it off.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
You know, it's not going to look the most professional
like we do every year, but this was a special occasion.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
You know, than there it is. I mean, so, can
we also just address something because there was some conversation
about because I would like to defend l bar here,
there was some conversation about him being bold in his
prediction that he believed that Nebraska might pull off the show.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
That was why we needed to bring it up. And
I'm glad you're paying off. The t's at four fourteen,
seven fourteen on East Coast Standard time.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I mean, you know, but I just think it's important.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
He said they would molly wopp him, but I said
that it would be a different type of game.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
But like got called. I said it, but I stand
on it.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
You got screwed because Jeff Simms decided he didn't know
which team he played for. That's that's really what happened.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I've never seen a team like struggle the way Nebraska
has in some spots. And then and I'll it's sad
like watching film of Jeff Simms is really difficult because
I try to see the good. I try to try
to be optimistic about players, and I know during his
time Georgia Tech, he turned the football over a ton,
(31:12):
Like if there was one thing when you saw him
play and you watched, you said, he's got to clean
up mistakes. He's got to stop turning the football over.
But he's got a strong arm. When he knows where
he's going with the football. He's accurate. He tends to
stare down the target, hence some of the interceptions because
the defense is watching where he's thrown two. But the
ball gets there on time, pretty accurate. He's a tremendous athlete,
(31:34):
like he's got all of the tools and in tangibles.
But then you watch that game and you're like, holy cow,
Like just the operations of it. You know, he couldn't
get a shotgun snap. The shotgun snap hits the tight
end and there's these crazy things that Stemy drives. And
then another fumble in an exchange on like a zone read.
It looked like it's just you can't make this stuff up.
(31:56):
And so it's if I'm a Nebraska fan, I'm very
frustrated by the results so far. And if I was
a staff I'm frustrated because I probably brought this young
man in thinking, man, we could turn him into the
player that I think he can be, and he's just
not displaying it. And their defense played well enough to
give them a chance. But yes, I mean it was
(32:17):
it was like time and time beginning. You're like, this
is backbreaking for a team. So we'll see what Nebraska
is moving forward. But look, Shador Sanders, this offense, their
skill position players, they can put up points versus anyone,
they really can, and this is not going to be
a matchup this week. They'll beat the doors off Colorado State.
It's gonna be organ next week, and that's when they're
(32:39):
gonna get a good sense for what they're capable of
versus a more formidable opponent, especially in the Pac twelve
as far as those standards go.
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There's that fire alarm again. All right, so you guys
want to welcome in Petros Papavegas.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
We will ap where further ado?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, I don't know, just they're doing a test here
in the studio, So Petros, we're working through in the studio. Yeah, yeah,
at the studio.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
I mean usually, I mean the fire alarm goes off
at the other studio, but usually they don't have them
in the studio, so we'll just burn.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
But we'll still do the show. Yeah, not us the show.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
Well, that's good. You know they care about your well
being more. That's that National radio.
Speaker 9 (34:07):
Yeah, maybe you're in our opening of the show. Now,
Petro's I wouldn't know. It really makes the opener really
really good. Go you know, you do your.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Two pays and a cup of the Jamaican accident.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Oh no, okay, to help us.
Speaker 8 (34:24):
It was good though, well good. I'm glad that I
can contribute. That is what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 9 (34:30):
I mean, it's made all the difference in the growth
of our show, so I appreciate you doing it.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, Petro's what do you think because you mentioned last.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Day free go ahead?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Well do I think I was just gonna say you
mentioned last week and I don't think you can say
what you said last week as it got dumped for
some reason. But you talked about.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Jesus want to get get to the point.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
What did I say, the Eiffel Tower over Colorado football? Yeah,
you apparently can't. But I mean Big Neon kickoffs go
going back to Boulder this week?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (35:04):
Is growing, Petros? Yeah, yeah, sure is. They continue to build.
I mean I think Fox and Brady could tell you
a lot better since he actually works on that show.
And I just sit in a studio and somebody comes
and say, hey, guess where Big Noon's going. But uh, yeah,
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we have as far as we I mean, Fox has
the Organ game and the SC game coming up, so
they just are gonna park it, you know, with Colorado
seriously for the entire month and just ride the train.
There's no other They can get to Michigan and Ohio
State when it's time. They can get even to Texas
(35:48):
or Oklahoma if they're any good when it's time. But
right now, it's all about coach Prime and they're going
to ride the train until the boiler breaks and everybody
gets scalded to death, which might never even happen. I mean,
I don't think they're gonna win out. But Brady said
something when we were talking about it before the season started,
(36:10):
and he said, look at this, Shadur can play. If
Shador can do it, then they're gonna be pretty good.
And Chadur seems to be more than capable of doing
battle with anybody. I mean, I just can't wait to
see these wild ass games in the conference coming up.
(36:30):
You know, Oregon, Colorado, SC Washington, you know Washington, Oregon
just a crazy year, and Oregon State is great. You know,
I have them this week. I mean, they're balanced and
really good. Oregon is Oregon with a good quarterback. Bo Nicks.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I mean they're really good. Colorado's now good.
Speaker 8 (36:51):
I mean Arizona's okay, Stanford's improved, even though they got
destroyed by.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
SC I think their offense is a lot better. Believe
it or not. Utah, you're not even mentioning and they
don't have cam Rising back in the right now.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
Utah doesn't have Cam Rising, but they're the defending champs
and and everybody kind of likes to discount them. But
I think they're gonna win the conference. If cam Rising
ever comes back, it's it's a great conference and it's
going away. But this year is very I went on
the radio in Oregon State yesterday and it was so
sad because we didn't talk about football. You know, they
(37:26):
wanted to talk to me about antitrust stuff and lawsuits.
Yeah right, I'm mister lawyer, macroeconomics. I got it all
figured out. I I don't even do my own finances.
It's like, but they can't, you know, they can't concentrate
on the year and how great things are because of
(37:47):
the chip on their shoulder is the size of the
Rock of Gibraltar. Same with same with Washington State, who's
playing really well. So it's it's gonna be a great
year in West Coast football. But those two teams have
a cloud looming over them and they don't know what's next.
I think that it's gonna work out for them, But
telling somebody that when they're in the midst of uncertainty,
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I guess they don't want to hear.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
What's crazy to me? Petros is any other year, and
I was obviously played against Matt and Reggie dur an
era where they were, you know, one back to back
national championships trying to repeat it was, I mean, arguably
the greatest era, one of the greatest airs of USC football.
You know, Caleb is doing something special. Yeah, he's the
best shows he's the best player in college football. He
(38:35):
may win a second Heisman in an era where like
we hate to give back to back MVPs, we hate
to give back to back Heisman's. He should be the guy.
They look better, they're better defensively up front, they're more stout,
they're as explosive as ever, and he seems unstoppable. Like
I remember watching Reggie and thinking every time he touches
(38:57):
the football, he has a chance to score. I feel
the same way with Caleb Williams where I watch him
on tape and I'm like, God, every time he's out there,
they're going to score.
Speaker 8 (39:09):
When it's the old Barry Sanders right where everybody in
the crowd is scared to get a hot dog because
something might happen with this guy on the field. And
I mean that's the best possible scenario you can have
for your football team.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Offensively, we're not talking about it because of Colorado and Dion, Right.
Speaker 8 (39:28):
If you want to be marketable, look the one thing
in college football that is constant. And I think we
all realize that as players. As an analyst, it's kind
of annoying.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
I think for fans it's their life's blood.
Speaker 8 (39:42):
And I think it goes in with an American kind
of vibe and the culture of of our country, which
is we are obsessed with what's new. You know, we
want to know what's coming up. We want to know
the next thing. Why do you think all those recruiting
websites blew up? I mean, everybody wants the new shiny toy,
(40:04):
and even if something is excellent and fabulous and consistent,
you're not thinking that much about it because you're thinking
about something else that is brand new, you know, And
I mean it happens in relationships, it happens with cars,
it happens.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
With football players who are faceless to most people. Anyway.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
The Colorado thing is interesting because everybody thought they were
going to be a laughingstock. Dion his brash, and he
is a loudmouth, and he is inappropriate in some people's eyes,
and he is going to buck the system, and a
lot of people love it, and they're having success. USC
has played San Jose State and Nevada and a huge
(40:46):
lopsided game against Stanford, And I guess that doesn't really
move the needle for people when they play organ When
they play Colorado, you guys are gonna everybody is going
to freak out.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
You know. Can I ask you this about the Dion
Colorado deal? Sure? Do you think it's as much about
people who are rooting for him or curious or do
you think it's just as much about people who are
looking to see if he fails. It's an interesting question.
Speaker 8 (41:19):
I mean, after the first game, I was like, well, damn,
you know they can compete, right, I mean the question
was answered for me. You know, I don't know if
they're going to be five hundred I don't know if
they're going to win out, you know, but they can compete,
which is what we thought they weren't going to be
able to do with that much turnover. I saw a
team with the second most turnover or think third most
(41:41):
turnover behind Texas State in Colorado on Saturday night last
Arizona State. You know what they looked like. A team
that had a lot of turnover. You know, they probing
for their identity, trying to get a handle on who
their playmakers are going to be. And they're very thin
on offense, on upfront and on defense, and they got
(42:02):
tired and they lost. You know, a lot of people
thought that that's what Colorado was going to look like.
When they didn't look like that right off the bat,
I thought, okay, well, this is a legitimate thing that
we have to take seriously. And I mean that's just
me as a football analyst. If you double down and
say they're going to lose every week for the rest
of the year, you know you're wrong, and you know
(42:22):
you're wrong, you know, I mean, you'll be right at
some point, but you just look bitter, right because they
I mean, after you saw them against TCU whatever, TCU
is or isn't this year and you saw Nebraska play,
I mean you had to think, well, I don't know
if Nebraska can generate enough points to beat this team
with the way their quarterback has been playing. And that's
(42:43):
what came to Fruition on Saturday. So yeah, I think
there's a lot of people rooting against them. I mean,
let's be honest, most Colorado people that went to school
there are annoying, right. I mean, have you ever met
somebody that went to Colorado, you know, other than Joel
not talking about football.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Players, well he would counting that group though.
Speaker 8 (43:01):
Well yeah, I mean, you know he's I mean, he's
part of the infrastructure.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
But there is that sense of like, you know, they
and I was there for the twenty sixteen seasons, so
they had success that year. They went to the Patchwork
Championship game, they won the South like that was a
really special moment. No one really bought into it the
way they're buying into this, and it feels different.
Speaker 8 (43:20):
Well, I can say this just as a when I
growing up on the West coast like I did, and
this was the way even for my father, Colorado was
a sexy pick for people that played in California when
McCartney was there, they had a lot of success, right,
and we all remember Cordell Stewart and Salo Lessi before that.
(43:41):
That was the big McCartney story and then Rick new
heisl and blah blah blah, and we enjoyed those teams.
I mean, it was always kind of a fun deal
and they were good. I mean they won a part
of a national championship back in my day. So it's
not like, I don't know, I mean, I don't know
(44:01):
who you would compare it to. I mean, it's not
like this is, uh, I don't know, cal suddenly having
a wild success and getting back to the Rose Bowl
and doing all this different stuff and then we're not
even we haven't even seen them do that yet. Anyway,
this isn't the first time Colorado football has been any good.
But the hype machine and the fact that there's a
(44:25):
lot of crossover people that are like, I mean, I
go to yoga class and there's you know, moms who
don't ever ask me about anything football related and they're.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Like, hey, Dionne, you know.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
I mean that's when you know that something's crossing over
and it has massive appeal. So I applaud Fox for
riding the boat, and I'm sure it'll look a little
bit different in October as far as what we're all
concentrating on. But you're right, Caleb Williams is the best
show in football, and right now it feels like maybe
his consistency is working against him. But we're all curious
(44:59):
to see what happen with Colorado. I'm curious about a
lot of teams. I mean, that's kind of the nature of.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
The job coach Prime.
Speaker 9 (45:06):
Does that put extra pressure on SC to perform that
all of this attention in the Swan song of the
conference is based around a person and a team in
a program that is you know, they're eventually leaving.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
I mean even USC is leaving as well. But does
that put more pressure on USC to kind of stake
a less where we are the PAC twelve before we
leave the PAC twelve type of deal.
Speaker 8 (45:39):
Well, I think SC proved that they were the PAC
twelve that when they left and the thing collapsed, I
think that was pretty I think that was the moment
that they proved that they that they were the bell
cow in the conference. Now that being said, I think
you're right to a certain degree as far as just
the public goes. But I think, as you know, when
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you're inside a program, you know you're not like, wow.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
We better do something else. Look what Colorado.
Speaker 8 (46:05):
I mean, they're going to play each other soon, relatively
soon in context of the football season, and we'll get
an answer, and we'll get all the excitement leading up
to that. But no, I think a lot of what
we're talking about is just a reaction to September and
the schedule. And I think September is a time no
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matter who you have. I mean, we just saw an
Alabama team lose no matter who you have, if you're
a college football team, just because of the way the
teams are built and how old everybody is, and of
course the lack of a preseason, you really are probing
for your identity in the first month. And by the time,
(46:51):
I mean, we've all done it right, you play a
football season and some highlight or something comes up from
the first game of the year in October and November,
and you feel almost like your team is unrecognizable and like, wow,
we were so different in that game. We thought that
this was going to be different, this was going to
be different, this was going to be different. So watching
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Colorado probe for their identity, I guess has been the
biggest story in college football in month one. I expect
that to change. But once they proved that they could compete,
you know, I had to eat my words and making
fun of them and calling them a seven on seventeen
and all that, and take what they're doing seriously.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Well, if you want to probe for Petros's identity on Twitter,
it's at the old p Yeah.
Speaker 8 (47:35):
I lost my real Twitter at Petroson money. My phone
broke and I couldn't access the new I know there's
all kinds of things you can do, but we've exhausted
a lot of those options and we are desperate to
get at Petroson money back on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
But maybe coach prime Ki help you. Yeah, and if
there's somebody that could it's fraud.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, it's coach prime Pee.
Speaker 8 (48:03):
We appreciate called Jenny Taft pumpkin this week? Did he
thanks a lot Pumpkins? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:08):
He called her something. Uh, but Jenny's.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Working in my dad's restaurant around That's beautiful.
Speaker 8 (48:19):
Again at the conversation. It's a great moment in uh
in the movie.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (48:25):
I think it's the Big Sleep with Humphrey Bogart and
he's sitting in a uh in a like somewhere with
a woman and they're about to have, you know, some
kind of interaction and he goes, he puts a cigarette
in his mouth and he goes, you got a light, Angel.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Smooth.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
He is the co host of the Petros and Money
Show that you can hear on the Blowtorch, A five
seventy l a sports and a Fox College Football analyst. Pee,
we appreciate it. Let's do it again next.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Gotta go forgotten. Last week
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Airings and Rady Quinn and Jonas Knox
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
He's back, Lat's back, Brady Quinn back in the house,
back in the building.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
It's been too long. It took some time to you know,
do a little charity work to kind of something special
there and uh a memory of nine to eleven. So
pretty pretty neat deal. I got the chance to be
a part of UH in New York. Uh just you know,
obviously for all those who lost someone and I remember
(00:40):
back to nine to eleven, it was it was a
day that it was important to me to kind of
go back and support a cause and a charity that
was again you know, wanting to make sure we always
remember that day. And uh, you know, for me it
was it was a ton of fun being around in a
different community, a golf community. I'm afraid to say who
was around because LeVar is not the biggest fan of him.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So, I mean, what do you do you want to
give like a hint or.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I mean someone someone says the greatest of all time, you.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Know, I mean David, Yeah, David.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
They're both lights. Can je.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I mean we're already going there.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Wow, that came out quick.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Can I go with Tiger Woods? Oh wow, look at
you hanging out?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Do not dislike Tiger Woods.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
It seems like every time I just don't like golf. Okay,
and he's included in that category.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Personal here Tiger, Wind him up, wind them up, get
him going.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Well, no, that's uh. I know you were out there
for a couple of days. So to get to hang
out with Tiger and obviously more important, that's.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Pretty cool talk. Can you want to talk about that?
I mean, I think that's pretty.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I would just say this. I mean, you know, him
him coming back from from the leg injury, the car acident,
everything else, you know, seeing him, you know, and how
it's still impacting him if he could come back. And
I was saying this to Uh, there's a number of
other PGA Tour players who are out there. Will Zalatoris,
Ricky Fowler, Kevin Kissner, Uh, some others as well. Justin
(02:23):
Thomas was out there, I said, I said to will
zala Taurus. I was like that, it's incredible he was
able to make cuts like not just like get I mean,
get out there and play but make cuts. If you
were if you saw him just walking around, you'd be like,
no way, that guy's need to be able to compete
with some of the best to ever do it, uh,
in the game right now. And it's just you know,
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he's It's sad because I think for a lot of
us that remember how great he was in his prime.
You know, when you see him walk around now, you're like,
there's no way he's gonna be able to get back
to that. So you know, he's the ambassador for golf
you'll will be and he's a he's a tremendous guy
when you talk to him and pick his brain about stuff.
But it's, uh, you know, he's battled through a lot
(03:08):
of physical you know, ailments, and it's gonna be hard
to ever you know, see him back even close to
what he wants to used to be.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, it sucks.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Did it break your heart? Like seeing him look like
physically frail there? Honestly you ever had you ever seen
either before?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Now, i'd seen him before, but I hadn't seen him
and talked to him in person since you know, he's
been through all that, the car actsident everything else, and
you know, seeing seeing him in that light. Yet like, yeah,
there was an element of that. I mean, obviously he's built.
You know, his upper body's fine, it's just his his
lower body with that one leg, and you see that.
You see the way he moves around and walks around.
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You're like, man, I don't know how he'll ever be
able to. You know, you're you're out there walking eighteen
holes for at least a couple of days to make
a cut, let alone over the course of a weekend,
and trying to play a seventy two holes. It was
just it would be a lot, I think for him
to be able to. I mean, if he misssteps one
way or another, you know he's gonna feel it in
that leg, in that you know, foot, knee, ankle, everything. Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well listen, not the smoothest transition here on this one.
But speaking of injuries, Aaron Rodgers, lots changed since the
last time you were with us there, Brady Quinn Rogers,
I mean, oh my god, man.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I'll say this. We were sitting and listening to you know,
Michael Strahan who was hosting you know, Tiger and Ricky
and these guys up on stage talking about, you know,
doing a different little game show and Monday night football
is on. And when that happened, you could feel in
the room like there was a collective like everyone started
(04:45):
looking their phone. People kind of started looking around, whispering,
talking to each other at the tables, and there was
like something was going on. I looked at my phone.
I was like, I had no way, you cannot I
cannot believe this happened. I mean, only to Jets fans
was something like this would happen.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It's an awful situation. And it was confirmed yesterday Rogers
is going to miss the remainder of the year with
the torn achilles tendon. That, you know, not a surprise
for anybody. You saw the reports that came out, you
saw the video that came out of the pop in
the back of the leg, so it was to be expected.
Head coach Robert Sala of the New York Jets spoke
yesterday not only about how he felt about Rogers and
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just his heartbreak for Rogers himself, but what the future
could be like for Number eight.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
He's invested so much into this organization, so much into
this journey that he's embarked on, and wanting to be
a part of what we've got going here. And I
have a lot of emotions for him. He's down, you know,
I'll let him answer those questions. I did not get
into the future of what he's expecting. I think that's
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a conversation lets for another day. But as you can imagine,
with everything that he's invested and at lasting four plays,
he's obviously a little disappointing. I think speak for everyone
in the organization.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
We all want him here, we all want.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Him to be connected, and I think he wants to
be here. But again that's something that will continue to
talk about, just trying to let him breathe and give
him some time to digest everything that's happening.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
So thirty nine years old now everything's sort of up
in the air for Rogers and what his playing career
looks like moving forward. Can't imagine he walks away though,
I mean going out on that note. I just can't
imagine that would be the move for him.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
That's the question, right, like, does he say, you know,
maybe this wasn't meant to be, Maybe this is a
sign I don't know. Far he seems to be one
of those guys who's a little more into that sort
of thing, you know.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Spiritually tapped in Huh, what do you think are you?
I don't see for the reasons why he went to
New York in the first place would most likely be
the reasons why the same reasons why he would be
willing to go through the painful, long process of healing
(06:57):
and rehabbing from a rupture achilles tended. I don't think
his I don't think his motivations have changed.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
In fact, I.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Would assume that his motivation maybe is larger now just
for the simple fact that he wasn't able to get
out there and show improve whatever it was that he
wanted to show improve coming to New York. So I
think that chip is bigger.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
I don't think he looks at it as I wasn't
meant to be. Let me just fade into the you know,
to the darkness. I think he rehabs it. I think
he comes back, and I think he tries it again.
But my question is timeline wise, can he pull that
off to be effective by next season.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I know, I know he did it.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I know there's ample amount of time because he did
it and it's the first part.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Of the year.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
But I just that is a difficult injury to come
back from. Man, it's a difficult injury. I would say
probably again, it took it took me over a year
to fill somewhat normal from from rupturing my achilles tenant
like over a year, and.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
And I think you played a position that would be
much more difficult to come back from. And that's fair,
you know. And I mean ideally, I mean it's I
don't want to speak out of both sides of my mouth,
but ideally, I think there's enough time. I think he'll
be he'll be full go, ready to go by fall,
you know. I mean, if you look at the timeline
now being September, you know, six months now is kind
(08:37):
of the time frame where he should be one hundred
percent full go after that time, I mean since you've
since you did yours, there's been a lot of advancements. Now,
oh absolutely, I mean the surgery itself is less invasive
that you know, he's gonna have surgery probably here in
the next seven days. They'll get that thing going and
they'll start, you know, he'll start rehabbing here in the
next couple of weeks. So it's a lot's changed since
(08:59):
since you suffered that and had to deal with that.
Six to the only thing I was gonna say was like, yes,
his position is different than yours, and ideally he's just
playing for the pocket. He's not, you know, I have
to worry about someone hanging on him. But how he
got injured. When I went back and was watch the game,
watching the play, I was thinking to myself, you know,
(09:20):
one of the reasons why Tom Brady was able to
play for so long so successfully was he got the
ball out of his hand. You guys recall when he
went to Tampa, he usually led the league in getting
the ball out of his hand faster than anyone, was
like two point five seconds. So think about that, like
from snap to throw two point five seconds. I mean,
if you've got like guy like LeVar, you've got like
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an edge rusher enough time. Hell no, I mean it's
ten If you look at the ten yards split at
the combine every year, right, the fastest guys who are
edge rushers are like a one point five zero for
their ten yards, and that's they're impeded the underpead, no pads.
(10:01):
They're in a track outfit sprinting off the ball, let alone,
having to work around a three hundred pound offensive line
and trying to stop them. So let's so you got
one point five seconds at the fastest case off the line,
then you got another second you gotta get you got
to get to the quarterback. And that was one of
the things that I think, you know, Tom Brady was
able to play so long so successfully. Kurt Warner did
(10:22):
that really, really well. I mean, if you look at
guys who are able to play up as they get
older in age, it has a lot to do with,
you know, get rid of the football. Watching that play,
I was kind of like, man, if he just gets
rid of the ball and we're not having this conversation
right now, are we? Probably not.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
He also was under siege and they at least not today.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, yeah, that's it. It would have taken longer. But
the general point is, yeah, he can come back. He'll
be full go. He'll be ready to go if he
wants to by next year. But there's there's gonna have
to be an element of, you know, get rid of
the football and making sure he understands like the offense
may look and feel a little different and some of
(11:02):
the stuff that he's done in the past. I think
at least if he's he's going to be able to
at that age play and play successfully and not have
to worry.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
About any sort of and can he be successful without
holding the ball and moving around? That's been a part
of his game, That's right, you know, and you change
the essence of somebody's DNA of where their success comes from.
Some guys can do it, you know, but sometimes, I
mean at his age, would it be feasible to think
that he could have that level of success without having
(11:33):
or thinking subscribing to what has made him great in
the past. Yeah, I think that would be a tremendously
large question to be answered if if I'm Aaron Rodgers
and if I'm the ones that are coaching them.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I mean, we were talking about this, Brady yesterday. There
were some people I know, David Baktiari and some others
that throughout well, you know, it's the turf, met life
turf and right, I mean Robert Sala even said, Look,
I understand the argument for grass over turf. I think
all players would like to play on natural grass, but
that wasn't a turf issue. That was a Leonard Floyd
(12:06):
landed on you and your achilles exploded like that wasn't
really a turf issue. Do you fall on the same
line at that to a degree.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I mean, I think people feel like even the way
his cleek got cut underneath when Leonard Floyd landed on that,
if it was grass, it would have given out, you know.
I think that's the general consensuses. When those cleats get
dug in the turf, they're not going anywhere, you know,
the ground and all the force of Floyd and Rogers
(12:35):
on top of it, it's not pushing the ground to
give way. And there is an element of that. I mean,
I think i'd said, you guys, some stats like so
far this year, in my notes, there's been fourteen Achilles
ruptures after one week in the NFL are something along
those lines, which it seemed like it was a little high.
(12:57):
But I think last year in general, there was like
eight team throughout the entire NFL season. And some people,
you know, use stats like that and they try to
point to, Oh, it's got to be the artificial turf,
and maybe there's something to do with that. It could
honestly be, you know, the amount of you know, training
that's required to prepare your body for playing an NFL game.
(13:19):
I mean, one of the things we're seeing with a
lot of these soft tissue injuries is guys aren't playing
the preseason, so I don't I don't care if it's
from a workout perspective, preparing your body for the load,
the forest, the strain it's gonna get when you get
in these you know, these you know, precarious situations, or
if you're talking about just not getting the reps and
(13:42):
the intensity in the preseason. Maybe I just don't remember
this as much. But I feel like when guys used
to play in the preseason, when it started, used to play,
you saw like guys who weren't facing this sort of thing.
Come week one, week two, week three, it feels like
we're singing more and more because guys aren't in that situation.
You know, this is really the first, you know, true
level of high intensity playing they're doing.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
I just for me, I just recall again the conversations
that I had, and I had a lot of them
because I was trying to base what I was going
to do in the future moving forward off of the
information I gathered from other guys that had to go
through and endure the injury. I just recalled there there
(14:25):
were a lot of similarities in the things that were
discussed as as I mentioned on the show yesterday, and
one of those things that were discussed was leading up
to rupturing your achilles tended. There were there were signs,
really were signs. Yeah, he take calf or something like
tight calf. Like for me, I had like a there
(14:46):
was like a vibrating like if if I if I
ever touched my heel or anything like the wrong way,
my my heel would vibrate like there was like weird
or something. Yeah, you son of a gun. Yeah something
like that. No, not viborate like like a valin string.
But but maybe you know, I meant like you and
(15:07):
like you know, I guess what you think about it? Yeah,
I guess so yeah, not that I was going to
relate to you because I was not at not that
I visualize what you said.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah yeah maybe yeah, yeah, like a Vallin string plucked
plucked or no, because like camp when you when you
drop back it's on right like if you're right handed,
your push off your back leg my right achilles the same.
It would be like the same thing. And depending on
the type of shoe I was wearing. I actually said
(15:36):
this to a Nike rap recently. Uh, when we were bolder,
you know, they're they're all they're obviously with coach Prime
and all that, and he's like, hey, man, you're a
Nike anymore. I'm like, no, I'm not. I was like
every foot injury and I ever had it was in
your shoes. Thanks for that. I'm being honest. Damn I
make those damn things and sweat and so I always
(15:59):
felt like depending on the tape of shoetwear, and once
we got towards Enna camp Man, that thing felt like
it was gonna my VI was gonna blow out, like
it's so tight, and it was like, man, I couldn't
even walk down the hall.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
So we are relating because I felt all of those things.
I can remember. I can recall the game before I
or one of the games. I know we were playing
in Atlanta and I was running after Michael Vick and
I put my foot down or something happened, and the
vibration in the heel of my foot was so wild
(16:32):
that I lost the feeling in my foot and actually
like like pulled my foot up and started limping off
the field just came off, had to come off for
a minute.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
It subsided. It was almost you know what it would
feel like.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
It would probably be the equivalent of maybe you're getting
your funny bone hit.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
That's what it felt like.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
And I just recalled like for the longest time i'd
used the stretching board, I'd be on the stretching board
all the time. I'm stretching board, stretching, and next week
you show yeah, not stretching table.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
So it was stretched was the table?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
No, that this one was more for your achilles tendant
and your calves.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
About that little like half roller thing, No, No, it's
like a it's like a plane.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
It's like a like a piece of wood, you know
that you can adjust from hype. Oh yeah, I said
that thing. Yeah, stretch your stretch your calf out. It
did feel good.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah. I used to do that though, and just want
to go to sleep, Like, man, this feels really nice.
I don't know why I stretched my calves would make
me feel sleepy, but it felt really nice.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
And then I didn't and I was standing there literally,
you know, me and Jason Whitten were engaged and we
were dancing and my my achilles tended just fully ruptured.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Boom didn't even do anything crazy. He's a dancer, yeah,
dancer for money.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Yeah, to what you want him to do. I mean,
the way I dropped to the ground, he could have
threw someones at.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Me like I was a geez.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Well it makes you feel any better. You're a better
broadcaster in Jason Witten. So there's that. I don't know
about all that, well I do. I mean, it's it's
it's not hard to be team bar here.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
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Speaker 2 (18:27):
There's been a lot of discussion about how this whole
thing was going to go with Deon Sanders in Colorado.
Apparently things have gone all right because the ratings are
out and the Colorado Nebraska game was the highest viewed
college football game of the weekend, and that even beat
out the Alabama Texas game, which was in quote unquote
(18:49):
primetime where Quinn Ewers was, you know, pulling a Johnny
Manzel and Tusca loos and throwing all over the field
in that game. But Colorado Nebraska the highest rated college
football game of the weekend, and I don't know who's
who's calling the shots over there at a big noon kickoff.
But to me, I just go back to Boulder, And
in fact, I wouldn't even like break down any of
(19:11):
the production or any of the stuff that's already there.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Relaxed. They got a pretty good game this week.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Well, I'm just saying, like, if it were me, if
I were calling the shots here, I would just say,
you know what, everybody, even though we were just here,
and even though it's Colorado State and it's a night game,
I'd get our asses back out to Boulder and make
this happen again. But again, I'm just throwing out ideas here.
I don't actually call the shots there for big new kickoffs.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Well, hey, ask and you shall receive. We're back at
mood this way. Yeah serious, Coach Prime, are you serious? Yeah? Yeah?
Penn State game. There was an audible h Joel Klatt,
Gus Johnson will be calling Penn State Illinois. We will
hopefully us as many things as you know in the
(19:54):
TV business can kind of happen on the fly, hopefully
covering a lot of penns State because they're a really
good football team and Drew Drew Aller is a legit,
legit you know, college QB, and we'll be a top
ten prospect. And I'm I'm like, I think this is
Penn State's here, I really do. So we'll be covering
(20:16):
it from afar. We'll be up in the Rocky Mountains
as we're hanging around Coach fra Yeah, I don't know
if I should give you a little bit of a
tweaker announcement. Maybe I'll tease it, but uh, we're gonna
have a performance from Lil Wayne while we're out there.
It is pulling out all the stops, all right. There'd
(20:36):
be some a lot of celebrities. Gronk's gonna be out
there as well as a part of it. Gonna have
one of the other I'll say, greatest dual sport athletes.
I'll say, although I don't know what the acam, who's that?
Bob Jackson, not Bo, not Bo, but well, I'll put
it in he never played the other sport, but I
believe he guy drafted relatively very high.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Oh Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
No sar as someone who's had some success out there
in those Rocky mountains. Oh Russell Wilson, Well, he'll be busy.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Okay, trying to make dual sport athletes here.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Dual sports.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Oh John Elway, come on, that's idiot.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
That's John Elway. Did get drafted. Damn.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
You guys are bringing out all the stops there.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Well, I and the Wu Tang was there last week.
I mean they had Bruh Dion got everybody and their
mother coming.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We saw Shannon Sharp, Michael Irvin, t O, There's a
bunch of NBA players. Uh. Wu Tang was there. It
was crazy. But I mean literally, there will be a
low Wayne performance during our show. Yeah. I'm not even
sure what I'll be talking about are doing, but they'll
be that.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So I mean you'll be a grooving to a little weazy.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah. I'll be the white guy in a suit, which
was gonna feel so appropriate for a basically a party,
right Like, I'm gonna be the guy who walks to
the party over dress, going huh, what's going on here? Now?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Are you going to have David Anderson little wine?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Does anyone have a prosecco? I get does? Please? God?
I just saw that bottle of prosecco and it just
don't stay in that living room rug over there? What's happening?
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Look at him, Johns, where did that bottle of prosucco go?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Hale loves it? So now are you gonna you invite
David Anderson out there? He's a Colorado State alone, he
can watch his team get the doors blown off him.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, I'm not sure how much we're much love we're
giving to Colorado State, although they do have. It's really interesting.
So Travis Hunter, right, the wide receiver, defensive back, cornerback
for CU. It plays like one hundred and twenty plus
snaps on average per game, maybe like one hundred and thirty.
And there's a player for Colorado State that's up there.
(22:50):
He's he's probably top five as far as both snaps
per game between defense and then special teams. He doesn't
play offense, but he's a he's a safety. His name
was Henry Blackburn. But it's just interesting, like we always
talk about like snaps playing the game, and everyone's always
you know, pointing to like a two way player on
offense and defense. But there's some dudes who battle out
there on special teams too, uh, that are playing either
(23:12):
offense or defense that are out there on the field
a lot. So kind of interesting storyline. But you know
CSU's zero to one. They had a couple of weeks
to prepare for this one, so it is a rivalry game. Well,
we'll see if if they have any shot of stopping
what's been a prolific passing attack of Colorado.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
All right, so Lil Wayne performances aside.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
By the way, var can I ask you a question? Sure,
I feel like he's called himself a number of things
over time. Is it like, like I don't even know?
How do I approach him? Do I call him like
mister Wayne? Is it mister Weezy? Is it like little
wee Like? Do I call him like Wayanne?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Like you calling Wayne? I would say Wayne would be
the best one, really, yeah, on a respectable level, Like
you know.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
That's the thing, is like when you meet someone for
the first time, I don't want to come off as disrespectful,
So like I don't even.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Know, there's no way I don't unless you meant to
be disrespectful. I don't think you could be disrespectful calling
him by any of his the names that he's gone by.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, but what's he going by? Now?
Speaker 2 (24:12):
What's his real name? By the way, you guys want
to guess what his real name is. I don't know
what it is. But let's you just want to take
some guesses on this. I'll take it. I'll take a
couple of.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Cracks Sean Carter, Carter or something like that. I'm gonna
go car something Carter.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Oh, yeah, it's Wayne. He's Wayne. So let's go with
I don't know Wayne Carter.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
It's you know, I was gonna go with like Jonathan
Steinberg or something like that.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Jeez, what what's wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I can't take that, Like I can't take a real.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Sim Do you know Little Wayne's real name?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
No, you don't know Little Wayezy's name there, because I
think he's got an al called the Carter.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Yeah, like a few of them. I think you got
to assume that it's the Wayne. You have to assume
that it's Dwayne because his nickname is Wayne.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Stupid.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
We're just using like like so we don't sound like
total morons to the world out.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
There, Like his name is Dwayne Michael Carter Jr. Okay,
we know it's that, all right. I'm sure Twitter wants
to pop off. Yeah, you know, you know it's radio
just stick. Okay, we know what we're doing here.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
We're professionals. I will say this though, but.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I would call him way.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
I mean me and Wayne have talked on the phone
like at times like we do you guys talk talked
about projects, like working on things like the business.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I thought, maybe like a long day. You're like, weezy,
what's up man? And he's like a million a million,
a million a million million. You're like, all right, I'm
back into this. You dig a little Wayne bro that though,
like that that might be my next intro and into
our show. That might be my my my next PICKT.
(25:59):
Now that's really you're gonna disgrace Jimmy HENDRICKX like that.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
It's not a great open. What do you want from me?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yours? Just the worst? Every I'm gonna be honest with you.
Quick change up the order because every time I hear
them like.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Ah Jesus, that gets people ready.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
It doesn't. It makes me. I would want to give
someone a baseball bat and say just hit me in the.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Head edge crusher from Fear Factory at three Pacific time.
That'll get you going.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Man, No, it doesn't. It makes people probably want to
like make do violent crimes.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
All right, stop, well, let's put let's put the violence
down for a second. Can I just give credit where
credit's due that the backdrop for when you guys were
in Boulder last week was unbelievable, man. And I don't
know what time of year it snows there, but if
you're doing a game there later in the season and
you get those snow cap mountains, oh my god, yeah,
(26:49):
it's it's It is an awesome setup. It's an awesome scene.
And and that's why I highly recommended you guys go
back there for a second.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
At all. Yeah, no, I gotta work, dude, We're all live.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
But you guys, when you're done, like you guys finished up,
like when I was with you guys, you guys finished
up at a certain point in time. Yeah, the difference,
but you guys get up out of there soon as
soon as it's over though.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
No, no, no, no, no, no no, here's the misconception. So
the difference was that was the first time we ever
did a game that wasn't in the noon window. So
there was a game on that we threw a toss to,
and then we hung around for that Penn State Iowa game,
which was our three thirty Eastern time kick. Gotcha so
that was the first for us. This is a first
(27:33):
in the sense of not only is it a night game,
but it's that game we don't have. We've never done
this before, so it'll be interesting to see what the
numbers look like coming off of for our show, specifically,
since we're not, you know, going to a game that
we have. We'll be tossing to Champagne Illinois for Penn State.
You know, fighting a line on right. Well, yeah, by
(27:58):
the way, eight, you're on set by like seven, seven thirty.
I'm like, we trust me. There was much time to tailgate.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
I tailgate crashed after the game. Hell yeah, I was crashing.
I crashed at least six seven eight tailgates.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, but at that time, if you think about it,
you guys had that game rolling, Clifford got hurt, and
then it was frustrating for you for Penn State fans
from that to point moving forward, but I'm talking about
this past Saturday. Oh this pas Oh yeah, how'd that go? They,
I mean, Penn State took care of business. I watched
some of the table so my son Refern too. But
(28:35):
you know, we we I wanted the tailgates. They they
bid open a hole into the can. We shot We
shot gunned a couple of bears. You know what you're doing. Uh, yeah,
I could.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
I'm not the greatest, like guzzler of liquids that way.
I'm just not not building this way, you know, yeah,
that way. But but I will say I was in
a festive mood and I actually did very well.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
You know, I did well. I kept up with those
young whipper snappers. Now, were you on the Penn State
or Delaware sideline for the game both? I was on both.
I was with the well. I was with Penn State
the majority, John, did you split halves? Like? Were you
on Penn States the first?
Speaker 5 (29:25):
No, I was on Delawares If I'm being fully honest,
I was on Delaware side for warm ups, warm ups.
That was the time I gave the Delaware on on
and my son on the side was the warm ups.
And then as soon as the warm ups were coming
to an end, then I stood with the A D
the rest of the time and then went to his
suite and went and visited the other suite, you know,
(29:46):
shook hands, kissed babies, you know, hung out with the
president of the universities. Did you say the whole game,
I did Okay, you told us before you the first
Hopefully hopefully I got my my holiday pitcher that I'll
be sending to you guys.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Hopefully we pulled it off.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
You know, it's not going to look the most professional
like we do every year, but this was a special occasion.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
You know, than there it is. I mean, so, can
we also just address something because there was some conversation
about because I would like to defend l bar here,
there was some conversation about him being bold in his
prediction that he believed that Nebraska might pull off the show.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
That was why we needed to bring it up. And
I'm glad you're paying off. The t's at four fourteen,
seven fourteen on East Coast Standard time.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I mean, you know, but I just think it's important.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
He said they would molly wopp him, but I said
that it would be a different type of game.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
But like got called. I said it, but I stand
on it.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
You got screwed because Jeff Simms decided he didn't know
which team he played for. That's that's really what happened.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I've never seen a team like struggle the way Nebraska
has in some spots. And then and I'll it's sad
like watching film of Jeff Simms is really difficult because
I try to see the good. I try to try
to be optimistic about players, and I know during his
time Georgia Tech, he turned the football over a ton,
(31:12):
Like if there was one thing when you saw him
play and you watched, you said, he's got to clean
up mistakes. He's got to stop turning the football over.
But he's got a strong arm. When he knows where
he's going with the football. He's accurate. He tends to
stare down the target, hence some of the interceptions because
the defense is watching where he's thrown two. But the
ball gets there on time, pretty accurate. He's a tremendous athlete,
(31:34):
like he's got all of the tools and in tangibles.
But then you watch that game and you're like, holy cow,
Like just the operations of it. You know, he couldn't
get a shotgun snap. The shotgun snap hits the tight
end and there's these crazy things that Stemy drives. And
then another fumble in an exchange on like a zone read.
It looked like it's just you can't make this stuff up.
(31:56):
And so it's if I'm a Nebraska fan, I'm very
frustrated by the results so far. And if I was
a staff I'm frustrated because I probably brought this young
man in thinking, man, we could turn him into the
player that I think he can be, and he's just
not displaying it. And their defense played well enough to
give them a chance. But yes, I mean it was
(32:17):
it was like time and time beginning. You're like, this
is backbreaking for a team. So we'll see what Nebraska
is moving forward. But look, Shador Sanders, this offense, their
skill position players, they can put up points versus anyone,
they really can, and this is not going to be
a matchup this week. They'll beat the doors off Colorado State.
It's gonna be organ next week, and that's when they're
(32:39):
gonna get a good sense for what they're capable of
versus a more formidable opponent, especially in the Pac twelve
as far as those standards go.
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There's that fire alarm again. All right, so you guys
want to welcome in Petros Papavegas.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
We will ap where further ado?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, I don't know, just they're doing a test here
in the studio, So Petros, we're working through in the studio. Yeah, yeah,
at the studio.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
I mean usually, I mean the fire alarm goes off
at the other studio, but usually they don't have them
in the studio, so we'll just burn.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
But we'll still do the show. Yeah, not us the show.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
Well, that's good. You know they care about your well
being more. That's that National radio.
Speaker 9 (34:07):
Yeah, maybe you're in our opening of the show. Now,
Petro's I wouldn't know. It really makes the opener really
really good. Go you know, you do your.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Two pays and a cup of the Jamaican accident.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Oh no, okay, to help us.
Speaker 8 (34:24):
It was good though, well good. I'm glad that I
can contribute. That is what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 9 (34:30):
I mean, it's made all the difference in the growth
of our show, so I appreciate you doing it.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, Petro's what do you think because you mentioned last.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Day free go ahead?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Well do I think I was just gonna say you
mentioned last week and I don't think you can say
what you said last week as it got dumped for
some reason. But you talked about.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Jesus want to get get to the point.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
What did I say, the Eiffel Tower over Colorado football? Yeah,
you apparently can't. But I mean Big Neon kickoffs go
going back to Boulder this week?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (35:04):
Is growing, Petros? Yeah, yeah, sure is. They continue to build.
I mean I think Fox and Brady could tell you
a lot better since he actually works on that show.
And I just sit in a studio and somebody comes
and say, hey, guess where Big Noon's going. But uh, yeah,
(35:24):
we have as far as we I mean, Fox has
the Organ game and the SC game coming up, so
they just are gonna park it, you know, with Colorado
seriously for the entire month and just ride the train.
There's no other They can get to Michigan and Ohio
State when it's time. They can get even to Texas
(35:48):
or Oklahoma if they're any good when it's time. But
right now, it's all about coach Prime and they're going
to ride the train until the boiler breaks and everybody
gets scalded to death, which might never even happen. I mean,
I don't think they're gonna win out. But Brady said
something when we were talking about it before the season started,
(36:10):
and he said, look at this, Shadur can play. If
Shador can do it, then they're gonna be pretty good.
And Chadur seems to be more than capable of doing
battle with anybody. I mean, I just can't wait to
see these wild ass games in the conference coming up.
(36:30):
You know, Oregon, Colorado, SC Washington, you know Washington, Oregon
just a crazy year, and Oregon State is great. You know,
I have them this week. I mean, they're balanced and
really good. Oregon is Oregon with a good quarterback. Bo Nicks.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I mean they're really good. Colorado's now good.
Speaker 8 (36:51):
I mean Arizona's okay, Stanford's improved, even though they got
destroyed by.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
SC I think their offense is a lot better. Believe
it or not. Utah, you're not even mentioning and they
don't have cam Rising back in the right now.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
Utah doesn't have Cam Rising, but they're the defending champs
and and everybody kind of likes to discount them. But
I think they're gonna win the conference. If cam Rising
ever comes back, it's it's a great conference and it's
going away. But this year is very I went on
the radio in Oregon State yesterday and it was so
sad because we didn't talk about football. You know, they
(37:26):
wanted to talk to me about antitrust stuff and lawsuits.
Yeah right, I'm mister lawyer, macroeconomics. I got it all
figured out. I I don't even do my own finances.
It's like, but they can't, you know, they can't concentrate
on the year and how great things are because of
(37:47):
the chip on their shoulder is the size of the
Rock of Gibraltar. Same with same with Washington State, who's
playing really well. So it's it's gonna be a great
year in West Coast football. But those two teams have
a cloud looming over them and they don't know what's next.
I think that it's gonna work out for them, But
telling somebody that when they're in the midst of uncertainty,
(38:10):
I guess they don't want to hear.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
What's crazy to me? Petros is any other year, and
I was obviously played against Matt and Reggie dur an
era where they were, you know, one back to back
national championships trying to repeat it was, I mean, arguably
the greatest era, one of the greatest airs of USC football.
You know, Caleb is doing something special. Yeah, he's the
best shows he's the best player in college football. He
(38:35):
may win a second Heisman in an era where like
we hate to give back to back MVPs, we hate
to give back to back Heisman's. He should be the guy.
They look better, they're better defensively up front, they're more stout,
they're as explosive as ever, and he seems unstoppable. Like
I remember watching Reggie and thinking every time he touches
(38:57):
the football, he has a chance to score. I feel
the same way with Caleb Williams where I watch him
on tape and I'm like, God, every time he's out there,
they're going to score.
Speaker 8 (39:09):
When it's the old Barry Sanders right where everybody in
the crowd is scared to get a hot dog because
something might happen with this guy on the field. And
I mean that's the best possible scenario you can have
for your football team.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Offensively, we're not talking about it because of Colorado and Dion, Right.
Speaker 8 (39:28):
If you want to be marketable, look the one thing
in college football that is constant. And I think we
all realize that as players. As an analyst, it's kind
of annoying.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
I think for fans it's their life's blood.
Speaker 8 (39:42):
And I think it goes in with an American kind
of vibe and the culture of of our country, which
is we are obsessed with what's new. You know, we
want to know what's coming up. We want to know
the next thing. Why do you think all those recruiting
websites blew up? I mean, everybody wants the new shiny toy,
(40:04):
and even if something is excellent and fabulous and consistent,
you're not thinking that much about it because you're thinking
about something else that is brand new, you know, And
I mean it happens in relationships, it happens with cars,
it happens.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
With football players who are faceless to most people. Anyway.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
The Colorado thing is interesting because everybody thought they were
going to be a laughingstock. Dion his brash, and he
is a loudmouth, and he is inappropriate in some people's eyes,
and he is going to buck the system, and a
lot of people love it, and they're having success. USC
has played San Jose State and Nevada and a huge
(40:46):
lopsided game against Stanford, And I guess that doesn't really
move the needle for people when they play organ When
they play Colorado, you guys are gonna everybody is going
to freak out.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
You know. Can I ask you this about the Dion
Colorado deal? Sure? Do you think it's as much about
people who are rooting for him or curious or do
you think it's just as much about people who are
looking to see if he fails. It's an interesting question.
Speaker 8 (41:19):
I mean, after the first game, I was like, well, damn,
you know they can compete, right, I mean the question
was answered for me. You know, I don't know if
they're going to be five hundred I don't know if
they're going to win out, you know, but they can compete,
which is what we thought they weren't going to be
able to do with that much turnover. I saw a
team with the second most turnover or think third most
(41:41):
turnover behind Texas State in Colorado on Saturday night last
Arizona State. You know what they looked like. A team
that had a lot of turnover. You know, they probing
for their identity, trying to get a handle on who
their playmakers are going to be. And they're very thin
on offense, on upfront and on defense, and they got
(42:02):
tired and they lost. You know, a lot of people
thought that that's what Colorado was going to look like.
When they didn't look like that right off the bat,
I thought, okay, well, this is a legitimate thing that
we have to take seriously. And I mean that's just
me as a football analyst. If you double down and
say they're going to lose every week for the rest
of the year, you know you're wrong, and you know
(42:22):
you're wrong, you know, I mean, you'll be right at
some point, but you just look bitter, right because they
I mean, after you saw them against TCU whatever, TCU
is or isn't this year and you saw Nebraska play,
I mean you had to think, well, I don't know
if Nebraska can generate enough points to beat this team
with the way their quarterback has been playing. And that's
(42:43):
what came to Fruition on Saturday. So yeah, I think
there's a lot of people rooting against them. I mean,
let's be honest, most Colorado people that went to school
there are annoying, right. I mean, have you ever met
somebody that went to Colorado, you know, other than Joel
not talking about football.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Players, well he would counting that group though.
Speaker 8 (43:01):
Well yeah, I mean, you know he's I mean, he's
part of the infrastructure.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
But there is that sense of like, you know, they
and I was there for the twenty sixteen seasons, so
they had success that year. They went to the Patchwork
Championship game, they won the South like that was a
really special moment. No one really bought into it the
way they're buying into this, and it feels different.
Speaker 8 (43:20):
Well, I can say this just as a when I
growing up on the West coast like I did, and
this was the way even for my father, Colorado was
a sexy pick for people that played in California when
McCartney was there, they had a lot of success, right,
and we all remember Cordell Stewart and Salo Lessi before that.
(43:41):
That was the big McCartney story and then Rick new
heisl and blah blah blah, and we enjoyed those teams.
I mean, it was always kind of a fun deal
and they were good. I mean they won a part
of a national championship back in my day. So it's
not like, I don't know, I mean, I don't know
(44:01):
who you would compare it to. I mean, it's not
like this is, uh, I don't know, cal suddenly having
a wild success and getting back to the Rose Bowl
and doing all this different stuff and then we're not
even we haven't even seen them do that yet. Anyway,
this isn't the first time Colorado football has been any good.
But the hype machine and the fact that there's a
(44:25):
lot of crossover people that are like, I mean, I
go to yoga class and there's you know, moms who
don't ever ask me about anything football related and they're.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Like, hey, Dionne, you know.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
I mean that's when you know that something's crossing over
and it has massive appeal. So I applaud Fox for
riding the boat, and I'm sure it'll look a little
bit different in October as far as what we're all
concentrating on. But you're right, Caleb Williams is the best
show in football, and right now it feels like maybe
his consistency is working against him. But we're all curious
(44:59):
to see what happen with Colorado. I'm curious about a
lot of teams. I mean, that's kind of the nature of.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
The job coach Prime.
Speaker 9 (45:06):
Does that put extra pressure on SC to perform that
all of this attention in the Swan song of the
conference is based around a person and a team in
a program that is you know, they're eventually leaving.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
I mean even USC is leaving as well. But does
that put more pressure on USC to kind of stake
a less where we are the PAC twelve before we
leave the PAC twelve type of deal.
Speaker 8 (45:39):
Well, I think SC proved that they were the PAC
twelve that when they left and the thing collapsed, I
think that was pretty I think that was the moment
that they proved that they that they were the bell
cow in the conference. Now that being said, I think
you're right to a certain degree as far as just
the public goes. But I think, as you know, when
(46:00):
you're inside a program, you know you're not like, wow.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
We better do something else. Look what Colorado.
Speaker 8 (46:05):
I mean, they're going to play each other soon, relatively
soon in context of the football season, and we'll get
an answer, and we'll get all the excitement leading up
to that. But no, I think a lot of what
we're talking about is just a reaction to September and
the schedule. And I think September is a time no
(46:27):
matter who you have. I mean, we just saw an
Alabama team lose no matter who you have, if you're
a college football team, just because of the way the
teams are built and how old everybody is, and of
course the lack of a preseason, you really are probing
for your identity in the first month. And by the time,
(46:51):
I mean, we've all done it right, you play a
football season and some highlight or something comes up from
the first game of the year in October and November,
and you feel almost like your team is unrecognizable and like, wow,
we were so different in that game. We thought that
this was going to be different, this was going to
be different, this was going to be different. So watching
(47:12):
Colorado probe for their identity, I guess has been the
biggest story in college football in month one. I expect
that to change. But once they proved that they could compete,
you know, I had to eat my words and making
fun of them and calling them a seven on seventeen
and all that, and take what they're doing seriously.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Well, if you want to probe for Petros's identity on Twitter,
it's at the old p Yeah.
Speaker 8 (47:35):
I lost my real Twitter at Petroson money. My phone
broke and I couldn't access the new I know there's
all kinds of things you can do, but we've exhausted
a lot of those options and we are desperate to
get at Petroson money back on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
But maybe coach prime Ki help you. Yeah, and if
there's somebody that could it's fraud.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, it's coach prime Pee.
Speaker 8 (48:03):
We appreciate called Jenny Taft pumpkin this week? Did he
thanks a lot Pumpkins? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:08):
He called her something. Uh, but Jenny's.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Working in my dad's restaurant around That's beautiful.
Speaker 8 (48:19):
Again at the conversation. It's a great moment in uh
in the movie.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (48:25):
I think it's the Big Sleep with Humphrey Bogart and
he's sitting in a uh in a like somewhere with
a woman and they're about to have, you know, some
kind of interaction and he goes, he puts a cigarette
in his mouth and he goes, you got a light, Angel.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Smooth.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
He is the co host of the Petros and Money
Show that you can hear on the Blowtorch, A five
seventy l a sports and a Fox College Football analyst. Pee,
we appreciate it. Let's do it again next.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
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