October 23, 2023 • 42 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys list issues with officiating in Sunday Night Football between the Dolphins and Eagles. A preview of 49ers at Vikings on Monday Night Football. The guys recap their time in Columbus for Ohio State’s big win over Penn State. What the hell is going on with the Bills? And Brady denounces the movement for flag football and wants to make football physical again.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Arrington, Rady Win and Jonas Knox on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So I think, uh, so, I think seven weeks, I
think so. I think God seven weeks in Okay and
I think so.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I think Fox Sports Radio, So I think on Fox,
I can't do.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
It like I can do it.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Like the AFC North is the best division in football?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Is it? Yes?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, all the precincts are closed and we were reporting
the AFC North is the best division.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Definitely. I know bullying on people, don't.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
They When the Bengals are the worst team in your division,
you're the best division in football?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Definitely. Well think about it too, Like it's not like
the Browns of that stellar quarterback play. It is Miles
Garrett who is a one man wrecking the hell a
little bit of a ground game the Stealers. Still can
I say this about the Steelers, by the way, that
was Matt Canada's best offensive performance of the year as
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far as play calling it now, they're coming off the
bias that two weeks to do it. But I've been
critical of him, A lot of people have been critical
of him. That was the best game plan they've had
all year offensively, so he deserves a lot of credit
to for getting that win, even as good as their
defense played. But that was that was a fun one
to watch. But then Baltimore, my goodness.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I knew they were due for one. I didn't know
it'd be like that, but I knew they were due
for a game where they put it together. It's just
that's classic Baltimore. That's what they did is classic Baltimore.
You'd be like where we got here?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Oh, I feel like I learned more about Detroit though,
than I did Baltimore in that one.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Tell me, I mean you didn't. I mean, I'll say this.
Sometimes sometimes you the biggest, baddest on the block until
you run up on a different block and thought that
you was that same dude on that block, and then
you realize that somebody else was maybe bigger and badder
than you on that block. So maybe you should just
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stay on yours where it's safe.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, it did. It did feel like I came I
came away from that going all right. So Detroit's not
one of those if we get down by a lot,
we can get back in this game a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Just by Detroit's one of those that apparently just won't
show up. Yeah, they never got off the bus.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, they weren't there, which is odd because they've been
great on the road all year. They've been great on
the road, and then out the gate, Yeah, got smashed
twenty eight not the.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Four straight drives allowed. Toddy right, Toddy Tuddy heart.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Left hook by everybody, everybody in Baltimore kicking while they
laid the hammer.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I mean, that was the team that That was the
moment that Matt was was talking about. It is press
conference when they we get knocked down, we're gonna punch
you in the knees. I mean they knee punching yesterday,
you know Detroit. Yeah, I mean I guess again, I
did say that that was vintage Baltimore right there, So yeah,
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I guess I did learn a little bit more about
about Detroit.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It was the most complete Baltimore Raven win we've seen.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
H Yes, it was like that, And that's kind of
scary because they look like the best team in the
AFC North yesterday and looked like a true contender in
the AFC yesterday.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I mean, Brady brought it up man Miles Garrett, he's
a beast.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
He is unreal and he's so flexible, Like you see
how low he comes off the ground, but then can
can jump like literally is just jump over you all
quickly and then get back up in the air to
block a field. Dude is like he's a pretty he's
like built to do the things that he does. It's
like weird, he's built like but he's tall, but he'd
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be low to the ground when he be coming off
that age. Is that a field goal block?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
That was?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
It's unbelievable because if you touch, if you touch somebody
on the line of screaming, if you touch the long snapper,
it's a penalty. And he got all the way up over.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Made a block, all that body up and over that
quickly from from as low as he was on the ground.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
That's man, That's it. And you need signature moments like
that and signature games to really get in the conversation.
And right now he's tied on DraftKings with Micah Parsons
for defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Well, he definitely gave himself some some real, some real
momentum with that game. Yeah, that was a good.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
One, And I mean listen, you know PJ. Walker I mean,
it feels like they've really found something at quarterback. I mean,
doesn't does Deshaun Watson want to play? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I mean, does he want to play?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I mean at some point, I mean, I guess he
can't say he doesn't want to play because then they
probably be able to go after his money. But does
he want to play? How could you not want to
play with the defense like that that you're going to
have a shot to win.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You get two hundred and thirty million guaranteed, no matter what.
It's kind of that. I mean, now he does it
if he retires, But as long as he just eats
this thing out the next five I mean, they cut him,
they can do whatever they want. Like he plays bad enough,
they can't cut me. They still them two hundred thirty
million dollars.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
That's what I'm saying. Like the dude goes down and
then they say to report after the game. Was he
The coaches said he was fine, They were just monitoring it,
being safe, but he was like more a little down
on it. Like I'm praying and I'm hoping that it
isn't as bad as I thought it was. Like, yeah,
he's he's actually the one that's basically reporting on his
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health to the media, which was everyone else peculiar.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Everyone else was a medical opinion. Just clears them pretty much.
I mean, it's like, well, it's kind of similar to this.
You get to kill it gets a trust fund, right,
two hundred and thirty million dollars, and he's like, hey,
you want to go out and get a job. He's
like not really, no, no, no, I've got two hundred
thirty million coming. I'm good. That's what it kind of
feels like. Like it's it's human nature, by the way, too.
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For if someone wants if you want to the lotto
and you end up netting two hundred and thirty million,
because we always talk about the Powerball and all that, like,
you'd probably be like, I'm good. Probably not, I'm probably
not gonna do this anymore, right.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
So you're saying I don't have to really play anymore.
That's what we're saying to Sean.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
And look, Stefanski was saying afterwards that you know, he
was cleared of the concussion proto you know, they checked
him for concussion, he was cleared, and then it was
Stefanski that just decided not to put him in the
game because he wanted to protect his franchise quarterback. Which
were which were the words, I want to protect my
franchise quarterback. Say, okay, then why why did he suit up?
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Like if that's the case, why is he playing at all?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
The Browns are going to make a run with PJ.
Walker starting as their quarterback for the majority of this year,
and they're two hundred and thirty million dollars starting quarterback
on the bench, chilling.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
The trust the trust fund. Baby, that's chilling.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
That's an expensive backup quarterback.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Hey wow, wow, you can have whatever opinion you may
want to have on it. He has made me single
handedly ruined the opportunity of any other player.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Every ever again, I mean, ever, ever, ever, ever ever,
every owner is like exhibit A, this is exactly why
we're not giving you guaranteed money. But I said, don't
ever come around here again, like never, never, ever, ever,
ever ever come around here again asking for a guarantee contract.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I mean, listen, you know, Brady Quinn's been pounding the
table for years on Fox Sports Radio. I wish they
would take the backup quarterback job a little bit more seriously,
start paying these guys and really invest in this. Well,
Cleveland's investing two hundred and thirty million dollars in a
backup quarterback, so clearly, I mean that's an important position. Yeah,
so give me good for Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I told you all, like I talked with some folks
before the season and they were trying to convince me
as a top five quarterback. I was like, top five
when no, way, I go, at what point do you
think he It was the four and twelve season when
he put up great stats, a lot of that in
garbage time, and it is like, was that the year
you saw that? Like, I don't know that he had
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ever at any point in time during his career been
at top five quarterback, but like that was their their
tagline with the top five, top five. I'm like, he's
not a top five quarter He's never been a top
five quarterback. So not sure where you get that from.
And now you've incentivized him to not play because he's
just paid. I mean, the whole situation is incredibly frustrating
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as a Browns fan. It's incredibly frustrating as a former
Browns player, because they don't need to do much more
at the quarterback spot in order to make a run
because their defense is so good, because they've got such
a great offensive line and are able to run the football,
and they've got weapons outside too. If you just he's
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got average quarterback play and didn't turn the football over,
this team would be like we look at him and say, yeah,
they're may be not the Chiefs, but they can sure
as compete with the Chiefs. And I'll put him in
a one game playoff scenario. I give him a shot
with that defensive running game. If you just had a
quarterback who didn't turn it over and made a few
throws a few plays, man, it's frustrating to me. Man,
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I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
The saw Watson speaking of a few throws and a
few plays complete it one pass for five yards, which
match his interception total.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Look, interceptions were the same even before he left the game.
He wasn't good like they weren't. He wasn't playing well.
They actually got better quarterback play from PJ. Walker.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
When he came in and said, you look at the
way he was playing, Jodas is like, does he want
to play?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
So he did speak afterwards. So here he was Sean
Watson talking about the decision to not go back in
the game during the game yesterday between the Browns and
the Colts.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
I want to go out there and try to have
the team as much as possible and go out there
and play and perform with your pet. But the decision
was was best for you know, the team, and I
thought that was the best. And you know PJ did
a great job of finishing the game, and everyone else
played having the job to get the game.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
That might be a horrible person because ever since everything
that's happened, why does it always sound like he's sitting
on a on.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
A sales stand.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Yes, why does it always sound like he's sitting on
the stand.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Do you do you got a guilty conscious? You sound
like testify and everybody on the advice.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Return to the game for a minute.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
All right, now I've played other Now play what he
just said yesterday.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, right, what he just said.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I know, I.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Want to go out there and try to have the
team as much as sponsible. Lawyer rights on the decision
that was best for you know, the team, And.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It just all sounds it just sounds like you, you
know what. I can't help but think of when he
decides that you know, he's medically clear. This is now
twice that he's been cleared and has not played. For
whoever's reasoning or or the reason why he's not played,
but this is now twice that we know of documented
that he's been cleared medically to play and just doesn't play.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
He's guilty of not being the person that they thought
they brought it well, that's why he's interviewing the way that.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I can't help but think Nick Chubb's got to be
watching this, going, I do anything to be out there
like I would do, like I almost lost my career
on that play, and who knows how I'm going to
recover from this knee injury that I suffered that was gruci.
It was another knee injury to the same knee. If
I'm not mistaken, He's gonna be watching something like that
going seriously, man Like, if they were to tell me
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right now, hey, listen, you're cleared, but it's up to you,
you think Nick Chubb or ninety nine percent of players
are going to be like, no, no, no, no, Now,
I'm gonna go ahead and set this one out. It's
for the why, it's what's best for the team. I
may not be wait, wait, you make how much money?
It's it's best for the team that you be off
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the field, even if you're not one hundred percent. Okay, yeah,
it's uh, that's a weird one.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
I don't think he wants to play anymore. I think
we've seen the last of Deshaun Watson, and he's going
to play. He's going to stay on the roster. What
I'm saying is is you're not going to see an
elite level caliber quarterback ever again out of him. I
just don't see it. I agree, I just don't see it.
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Like it ain't there, Like did.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
We see it in the first place at any point?
Like that's the thing that I'd say that I know
he was good in Houston, right, but like I think
you could contend, like, really was he up there amongst
the top? Like, I don't think it was ever the case. Like,
and I understand people we went to the Pro Bowl.
It's like and the year he led the league in
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in yards and all that that was where like if
you really dissect through some of that garbage, a lot
of that stuff came in some blowout losses.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think he was impressive in some
of the things that he was able to do. But
to justify some of the conversations in terms of what
he represented in comparison to other quarterbacks. It's not you
can't do it.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
He was never a top five quarterback. He was viewed
as somebody who had the potential that you would want
to build your organ or your roster around that he
was young, and that's somebody that for the next ten years,
you know, if he continues to send he could get
to that point. And it just never happened. And that's
the intrigue of it. When you have the situation where
it's kind of turbulent with what's going on, and I
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think it was turbulent times in Houston, and people are
looking at it like he's still performing. So there there
was some merits to it, Like you think about what's
going on and uh with the Chargers right now, you know, like, no,
I'm not I'm not going to downgrade Herbert.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Are we going to downgrade him?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Man?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I mean I mean, I mean not yet? Yeah, we
tell her not yet.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
We'll do that now, damn.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
But it's just it's not well, yeah, it's not. It's
just not it's not anything that they thought that they
were they were buying or purchasing, and Kevin Stefanski's got
to sit up there and have to answer these questions
over and over again.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
One completion and one interception, and that one completion that
he gave you was for five yards.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, that's I mean, on the season. On the season,
he's basically getting paid a little over five hundred thousands
so far per completion.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Oh what a bargain.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
That's in essence what he's got sixty six completions. He's
he's getting paid like forty six million this year in essence.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yes, you are, Yes, you are.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Well.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Listen, still a damn good division. We'll say that.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
And you know it's t tell you by the.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Way, Yeah, damn right, it is tell you vah way
to believe it.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
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Speaker 2 (15:56):
LaVar you alluded to it. We were there in come
but so Ohio. We were at the Graduate in Columbus, which,
by the way, it was awesome having everybody hang out.
That was a last getting.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Really hung out man.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, I mean had a great time. Yeah, all weekend long.
Yeah not a Columbus.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, we were there for about eleven hours. But hey,
the show was fun. We had a good time, and
everybody who came out and watched the show really appreciate it.
That was that was a turn out too, Like there
was a there was the gentleman and I hope he's
listening because I wanted to say bye to him before
he left. But he was listening, and you pointed out LeVar.
He was in the front row. He had the flannel
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on and he was listening to the show on yea,
all watching the show And that was really awesome and
really cool to see everybody. So that was a good time.
And then you know, Saturday rolled around.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Yeah I didn't even see Q on set. It's like weird.
I was like, where's my dude?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I know, I know, so a little behind the scenes
when we go into the stadium. In order to be
able to make it work because it takes a few
minutes to do it, they usually have me go host
a segment and I did that with Klatt and Linert,
So then it allows everyone else to be able to
make it their way in otherwise we wouldn't really be
able to do it. So we're constantly kind of juggling
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how you transition from one set outside to one set
inside the stadium.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
By the way, did production Levey hung out to dry
on some of the like the video they're showing the shoes, yes,
this tweet like, yes, that's what a nerd I am.
I'm watching for that stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And I'm like, come on, man, yeah, yeah, there was
like a card that I there was they were supposed
to roll that didn't did roll in for a preview
or a bump and then they just go straight to
the shoe and I was like okay, which by the way,
I've never even seen the shoe.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And I was just like, okay, anyway, but you've got
to wear it, because.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, you've gotta wear it, like you're gonna wear this
awkwardness that goes on TV. And then and I'm like,
why why is this, like because something that happens every
flipping week, Like we had to get in Lebron James
shoe that it's designed for the game, like this was
such a big deal and they throw it in there like.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
That, Well, I heard you said some very kind words
about me on the telecast, A whole bunch of people
hit me up. I was like, that's my baby, bro. Man,
Like everybody's little brother should have that type of love
for their guy. But I appreciated it, man. Like a
lot of people was like, man, like you, Q was
talking good.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I was like, well, okay, but I'm gonna be real
with you right now. I did not like our text
conversation after the game because I seemed more upset with
the loss than you seemed after the loss.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yeah, well, cause for me, I looked at it like this,
Like I talked to Drew like immediately after the game,
and then we talked a little bit after it, and
you know what I felt like. I felt like we
were good enough to win the game in spite of
and I won't even go into criticisms of of what
in spite of would be take It was obvious, Yeah,
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I think it was pretty obvious. But our defense play, well,
our defense actually turned the tie to that game. And
who knows what happens if if that that play isn't
called back. But you know, we ended up losing by eight,
and it wasn't a real eight. Like I won't say
it was a real eight because we couldn't We could
not move the ball consistently. But the DF played their
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hearts out.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I thought, you guys went for a fourth down rather early.
That was unnecessary. They kind of gave them, you know,
field position and points to there. But the only thing
I'd say about the fumble recovery that was returned for
a touchdown was it was defensive holding. I believe. I
believe it was on Hardy.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Gee it was.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
It was. We we went back and watched it, and
what didn't make sense was he had outside leverage. He
was kind of funneling Harrison to the safety. It really
wasn't needed, Like I mean, I although I guess I
say that, And like every single time a Penn State
player was in perfect position covering margin areas, he's still
made the catch.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yeah, I still got it. I mean, he made his
money in that game. I'll tell you that he is special.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
He might have made a case for the Heisman if
he keeps doing that. I'll be real with you. Where
hasn't been Michael Penix hasn't didn't play great and especially
if they drop a game, there hasn't been anyone who's
been overly dominanting I know people are going to challenge like, oh, well,
what about you know, Michael Pennix or Bo Nicks or
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you know, Dylan Gabriels. The other one too, I think
has carried Oklahoma so far this year. But the person
you don't want to be critical of, but I will
be critical of, is Mike Garsich, the offense coordinator at
Penn State. I have thought this for a while. I said,
I kind of said this to a lot of folks
coming into the game. There's two concerns. The interior of
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Penn State's defense has been light. How State might be
able to get push, which they did and run the football.
And Mike Geersich, well, you were one out of two.
I mean, the reality is he just he cannot come
up with any sort of scheme or plan to get
guys open, because look, I get you don't have Marvin
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Harrison junior wide receiver. But that doesn't mean like KeAndre
Lambert Smith isn't capable that that doesn't mean like the
Sefist kid, and they go, who's a transfer? Like he
had all this production in the mac, all this production
that can stay under Sean Lewis, by the way, who's
now out of Colorado, all this production right, and you
can't figure out ways of getting him the football to
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the very end with a two minute drive, which you
should in that case because you have to, Like I
just I really struggle to think that Drew Aller will
be maximized or his abilities will be maximized if James
Franklin doesn't go have to go out and look for
a better offensive coordinator. Like I'm sorry, I'm not trying
to call for someone's head or job, but that was
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in this entire year. They've thrown eight balls coming into
this in this last week's game over twenty five yards.
Eight balls. That's it. That's it. And they had one
play over forty yards coming into the game. Guess how
many they have now? One play. And you can't sit
there and just put it on players. As a coach.
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It's your job to still be able to throw the
football downfield and be able to stress defenses like that.
It was incredibly difficult to watch and sit there and say,
I don't know how Penn State can get to where
they ultimate need to get there. Because they got the quarterback,
they got an old line, they got a running game,
they got defense.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
You have all of it.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It's all of it, but the offensive side of the
ball is a glaring, glaring miss right now schematically what
they're doing.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I just hope it was a wake up call. That's
what I'm hoping for. Like, and you know, your chich
has to be honest with himself, you know, because I
do think that this was not this was not a
player's loss, and that pains me. But I'll say this,
I guess you're honest coached his ass off and I don't.
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And I honestly I don't put it on Frank either.
Like I just think that that's you. You're the CEO,
and when those things happen, they happen, and I just
you know, that's I could have been pissed off, and
I could have been irate after after the game. Back
to your original point, but I was. I'm a defensive dude,
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and I was standing with I still with our defense.
Imagine this, like as sore as my ankle is, I
stood and was running around. My adrenaline was on high,
and I was with our defense all game long. And
let me tell you something. Outside of a couple runs
and a couple of good plays by the quarterback to
QB Marvin Harrison Junior was a freak. He was a
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man amongst boys and not Listen, Kayln King is a
grown ass man that cornerback. I was proud of our
defense and what they did. I was they stepped up.
They stepped up all game long to give them the
opportunities that that they needed to win the game. Let
me let me ask you this, Q, when when you
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were watching the game, did you feel as though I
felt as though when I was watching our offense out there.
The reason why it was so difficult for for our
receivers to get open, but it wasn't very difficult for
Ohio States to get open is we were overloading on defense,
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so we were going straight man coverage. We were not
doing any type of zoning on them at all unless
it was like long, long yardage situations. We were manning
them boys up. But we on on offense, we're we're
so we're so dependent on our our our tight ends,
which we weren't really using. We weren't utilizing them the
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way that we, in my opinion, should have if you're
going to have them in the game, and it was
allowing for Ohio State to have to coverage two safeties
to add into the coverage scenario, scenarios over over them.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I'll put it this way. That wasn't the that wasn't
the issue. There was times they were playing zero coverage
and you just had a man a man. That's it.
On the outside, there has to be more of a
willingness to throw something other than a slant. I mean,
we made we joked about it at halftime. It became
a slantthon and honestly it was more Penn State than
anything else. It was almost a joke at one point,
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like what you could expect. And I think the coverage
was tight on Penn State, especially when they did decide
to play man, but it's because they were never threatened
down the field. I don't care if you don't think
that's a high percentage throw for your offense. It's no
different than times when you see a team run between
the tackles versus a really good team with good defensive tackles.
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You still have to test it and do it because
it makes play action, it makes an RPO, it makes
all these things off of it still work. And sometimes
people say, well they analytics toles say you that, It's like, no,
no trust me. I ask any defensive player. If you
have to run some of that, do they have to
respect it? Of course they do because they still have
to do their job every play. If you never threaten
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a cornerback on a go route, on a deep post
route the entire time, they never feel threatened by it. Yeah,
Like they always feel like they're coming forward. They always
feel like they can have hands on the wide receiver
and make a play on the football. Like the scariest
thing you can do to a cornerback is get him
into his backpedal and have a dude run by his ass.
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And I don't even care if you complete the ball,
because you know what that DB's thinking. Few got away
with one. Man got away with one. Or sometimes when
there's someone else who's targeted and he gets run by,
he's like, few, he went somewhere somewhere else, didn't go
to my thank god, right Like that that's how they think.
That's how they think. And at no point did Penn
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State really try to threaten anything down the field. And
if they want to try to be Michigan, because that's
the next big one coming up for them, that's their
only hope and shot. As they moved through the Big Ten,
of trying to still make it to the playoff for
the Big Ten championship game. They've got to learn to
flip that switch quick. And you know, look at their
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wide receiver group. That group is better than I think
people are giving credit. So we get to talk about
how they don't have Marvin Harrison Junior, but the reality
is they don't have a coordinator who's designing plays to
push the ball downfield like Ryan Day did for Marvin Harrison,
or even Katee Stover for that matter, who had seven years.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yes, he was balling.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Tell me, tell me, if you guys came away think
of the same thing. I came away being more disappointed
in Penn State than I was impressed by Ohio State.
Same like, I just it was kind of like, oh, man,
really just as the game.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Was our year to get him, Man like that we're
so complete. I just knew this was the year to
get him.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
And you lost one of your best edge rushers in
Chop Robinson earlier in that game, and it's like you
still would have had a shot, and it's just it
was almost like they were just wasted series and drafts.
And look, I'll be the first to say too, I
didn't think Drew Aller had a good game. He seemed rattled,
He didn't seem like he ever really found his rhythm
until the very very end. But I always feel like
for a quarterback who's on the road his first really
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true big game of his career, it helps to take
some shots down field. It does. It helps to take
some shots downfield and loosen them up a little bit.
And I'll go a step further. I mean if you
look at by the way, how I think teams maybe
felt in the NFL about Penn State's offense and what
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the Sean Clifford was a fourth round draft pick. And
I'm gonna ask you this, did you think he was
gonna get drafted by Green Bay or draft have to
at all? LeVar Wow.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
I mean if you wanted a quarterback that could run
quarterback draw, I'm just saying no, I didn't think he
get drafted.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
There's people who didn't think he gets drafted. He got
draft in the fourth round Packers and it is their backup.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Yes, he's their backup.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, And so it gives you a sense of clearly
at the NFL level, some teams saw something in Sean
Clifford of his capabilities that within the offense. Yeah, and again,
I know it sounds like a being really really critical,
but when you're talking about a team that has a
chance to play for a national championship, you have to be.
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Penn State fans and a lums should be because I've
seen this for years now and they have not one
to make a change at OC to figure out a
way of getting more out of the piece they have.
This team's too talented. I feel like they're wasting the
talent that they've got on this roster right now.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
No, but it's it's fair to be critical because who's
going to be the one that gets all the criticism
nationally and from a general standpoint, it's gonna be James Franklin.
What in nine versus Ohio State? He can't be top
twenty five, And it's going to be the quarterback. It's
gonna be Drew Rowler. So like, if there's if there's
other issues going on there, like those guys are almost
covering up for what could be problematic moving forward for
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them and what has been problematic all along.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
I hope that they do a good self scout of
the gang because we still have a chance. They're still really.
I still contend that this is a special group and
it would be a shame if if it was wasted
on not just self scouting how you could do things better.
I mean, that's just what this is all about. And
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sometimes you gotta, you know, you gotta put maybe what's
comfortable to the side. You know, maybe he feels like
he's trying to protect Drew, but sometimes you just gotta
let guys, you know. I mean, it's like that first
time when your kid doesn't have their training wheels on
their bike right, like, they could go down, but I'd
rather see I'd rather see him go down with you
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knowing that I'm trusting that in this process he's either
going to sink or he's going to swim. But either way,
it's going to give him the much needed experience. I
would have rather had the experience of pushing the ball
downfield in games prior than start trying to push the
ball downfield in a game like Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
You know, I'll say this, Columbus is awesome.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Oh I enjoyed myself. It is awesome, and people in
Columbus I appreciate you guys. I was on my scooter,
so I went and got a scooter. I was on
my scooter and nobody gave me any problems, like you know, yeah,
nobody messed with me. Everybody was kind of cordial, like
are you okay? Like are you getting around? So thank
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you guys for that.
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Speaker 2 (32:35):
Congratulations to Bill Belichick career win number three hundred yesterday,
so one of three coaches in NFL history, George Allis,
Don Shula being the other two. So rarefied air for
Bill Belichick and the New England past.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
What a team to do it again.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
To Yeah, well, that's kind of they gave him a
fighting chance to get that one. That's kind of the
bigger story here. The hell's going on with the Buffalo
bill Man, it feels like we have this conversation at
least every other week or something along those lines. This
is a weird team that should not have lost that
game yesterday, yet here we are. What the hell is
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going on with the Bills. We got to figure this out.
Let's diagnose something here before we're done with this topic.
What do you think it is?
Speaker 4 (33:19):
If? If I'm being honest and I'm looking at it,
it's they have to find a way to be more consistent.
I just think looking at how that game went yesterday,
they very easily could have won, probably should have won
that game, and they turned it on at the end
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to turn it turn it into an interesting one. It
got away from them, but you allowed you allowed the
emotions of the Patriots to really carry them through the
majority of that game. And you know, they play physical,
they played hard, but you could clearly see that Buffalo
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had the ability and the opportunity to be able to
to do much better than what they did. And then
by the time they did it, it was a little too
late for them to do it, and then came down
to the last moments of the game. But you know,
I don't know, man, that they're just wildly inconsistent if
you ask me, like, this.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Is why though, I think when people go, have they
hit their ceiling? When you watch a game like this,
you're like, Okay, out the gated divisional game on the road.
I mean, I don't think they You look at any
Bill Belichick coach team and go, it's gonna be a
layup right and out the gate. The Patriots came out
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and just kind of were from the jump, were the
better team. And I look at them, I'm just like, Okay,
they've lost the Jets basically without Rogers, they've lost the Bills,
all right, excuse me? The Patriots, Like how how really
good are they? And I know, like if you look
at their losses, you look at you know, their their
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schedule the season. I just think they're so different than
how we look at the Chiefs. I mean the Chiefs.
Chiefs have ripped off what's six straight? Yeah, now, no,
I mean, it's just it's hard to think that they
can compete on that level. It feels like it's Kansas
City and everyone else in the AFC right now, and
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Baltimore looked great, but you know, they've had their moments
where they struggled. And maybe with with Manka now calling plays,
and if that's what we can we can expect based
on what we saw this past week, we can expect
them to be in the mix. But man, I just it,
the questions about Buffalo and if they hit their ceiling
are only legitimized when you go and watch a game
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like this. And maybe it's the defense being as banged
up as they are, they've suffered a lot of injuries.
Maybe it's that, you know, maybe it's just the inconsistency sometimes,
you know, with the offense in the passing game, whatever
the case may be. It's why it's hard to buy
into the Bills being a Super Bowl contender. Outside of
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the fact that Josh Allen's a tremendous talent. That's really
the only thing that you always come away saying why
they have a chance of it. After that, I'm not
sure howse you would be able to make a case
based on how this team's played so far this year.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
When buff when New Englan, when Buffalo went down and
scored and took the lead late in that game. I thought, Okay,
that's it, because there's no way this Patriots offense, with
the way it's looked all year long, is going to
be able to go seventy five yards with the amount
of time that was left.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
We're not stopping them.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
And man, they went down the eight plays seventy five
yards in a minute forty six went down the field
and scored, and it's like it was almost like the
AFC Divisional game where there's no way.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
The Chiefs the difference.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
It wasn't Mahomes right, You're like, this is the offense
everybody's been making jokes about for weeks, Like they were
outscored what was it like seventy nine to three or
something over a two game stretch, Like they were awful
and went right down the field on the bills, like
right down the field with the game on the line.
And I was happy to see the Patriots win. But
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I just come away from that going I just don't
get it. And maybe maybe you're right, Maybe that moment
in the AFC Divisional game where they blew that lead
was their chance and the window just started to slowly close,
and maybe people within that organization knew it, which is
why you had guys like Stefan Diggs have the offseason
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that he had. I mean, look, Leslie Frazier just kind
of disappeared. He's doing TV. It's not like he just
took time away to he just kind of walked away.
And yeah, they've got the injuries. It just feels like
there's something. There's something off there, and I just I
do wonder is this the type of year if they
don't end up going places? Is this when they start
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kicking the tires and maybe making a head coaching change
because somebody's got to be held accountable, and Josh Allen's
already been paid. Like, I just wonder, are they gonna
look at that and go, we got to get somebody
else in here, because maybe this team is just not
responding to Sean McDermott anymore. If that's a real conversation,
I'm just saying, like, wow, what what is the other answer?
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What's the other solution? And then you just what tear
it all down? They got pieces there.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
They got more than just pieces. They have what they need.
It's just not that they went healthy healthy.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Their defense is pretty decimated, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
How much do you guys put in that. I mean
not to switch change subjects, but you did have your
two top cornerbacks out in that Miami game, like does
that and and I guess foreseeably they're coming back.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yeah, perhaps you should be back. Except that's what That's
why I think I would love to see if that
ended up being the Super Bowl. I wouldn't mind seeing
it because I'd love to see how those two quarterbacks
match up with Javonte Smith and A J. Brown, If
xavieron Howard and Jalen Ramsey were back and healthy and
all that they made that run, I would love to
see it. But it's I felt like last night's game,
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not to segue into that, was an exist example of
how football is still won. Like we're all happy promoting hey,
flag football to the Olympics suite awesome seven on seven,
like oh cool man, yeah's that's not football, all right,
that's not football, that's not American football. This game is
still one with the physicality and the trenches. And last
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night was an example of that. The way Philly I
thought dominated the offensive and defensive line for Miami, and
that's that's still how games are won and lost and
championships are still won and lost in.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
This league at Taylor. Swift to that list too, please.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
I mean, brit what's your problem with the flag football stuff?
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Like?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Why can't you just be happy for these people? They
want to go win a gold medal.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
This is the sort of thing though, and I'm not
trying to be a conspiracy theorist of all this, but
this is the sort of thing when when they are
pushing certain narratives early on, they're trying to pave the
ground roads for what it may become in the future.
Like that's what this is. They're trying to condition people
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to be okay with the different type of football that
they're trying to play in seven on seven in flag
football all that because because they know for a fact,
you don't have to deal with the head injury concerned,
You don't have to deal with all that stuff. The
gruesomeness of what it could look like when you've got
to do is laid out on the field. It has
to be taken off in an ambulance.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Do you think they're trying to attack the.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Game that you grew with the NFL?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Right again, do you feel like they're Are they trying
to modify part of your childhood, the thing that you
delivered you and brought you so much happiness and joy
and competitiveness in your life. Do you feel like that's
why flag football is such a such a problem.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I think people are trying to take away masculinity and
like physicality, That's what I think. If you want to
be a real sound I'm sorry, Like I'm not standing
for that. Okay. We need strong people, we need strong men,
We need strong leaders. And the game of football that
I know and love and with is what this country needs.
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That's what we need. None of these sissy flags flags,
none of this seven on seven all way through the air.
I want air. I want by ground, I want by
any means necessary, an it means that's right, that's what
I want.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Tell me.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
We will bring physicality back to football again.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
Talking about Bright and Gwinn for president of the National Football.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Man, I would chew epos right now.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
You imagine if they just let me go in for
Roger Goodell and US three would just sit up there
in the office and come up with ways just making
football just what football used to be. Like LeVar would
be like, yep, I'm in charge of uh the competition.
Just what. It's all on the table again, all right.
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None of this defenseless receivers crap across the book, none
of this protection for quarterbacks. It's all back.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
I'm hiring by Way.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Taylor and Jack Tatums. I would literally be expanding rosters.
I'd make it so they could have, you know, eighty
players on the on the roster. I'd be like, look,
you're gonna need five quarterbacks. Just we're gonna run.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
Through these guys.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Take it a part
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with Lamar Arrington, Rady Win and Jonas Knox on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So I think, uh, so, I think seven weeks, I
think so. I think God seven weeks in Okay and
I think so.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I think Fox Sports Radio, So I think on Fox,
I can't do.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
It like I can do it.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Like the AFC North is the best division in football?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Is it? Yes?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, all the precincts are closed and we were reporting
the AFC North is the best division.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Definitely. I know bullying on people, don't.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
They When the Bengals are the worst team in your division,
you're the best division in football?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Definitely. Well think about it too, Like it's not like
the Browns of that stellar quarterback play. It is Miles
Garrett who is a one man wrecking the hell a
little bit of a ground game the Stealers. Still can
I say this about the Steelers, by the way, that
was Matt Canada's best offensive performance of the year as
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far as play calling it now, they're coming off the
bias that two weeks to do it. But I've been
critical of him, A lot of people have been critical
of him. That was the best game plan they've had
all year offensively, so he deserves a lot of credit
to for getting that win, even as good as their
defense played. But that was that was a fun one
to watch. But then Baltimore, my goodness.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I knew they were due for one. I didn't know
it'd be like that, but I knew they were due
for a game where they put it together. It's just
that's classic Baltimore. That's what they did is classic Baltimore.
You'd be like where we got here?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Oh, I feel like I learned more about Detroit though,
than I did Baltimore in that one.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Tell me, I mean you didn't. I mean, I'll say this.
Sometimes sometimes you the biggest, baddest on the block until
you run up on a different block and thought that
you was that same dude on that block, and then
you realize that somebody else was maybe bigger and badder
than you on that block. So maybe you should just
(02:11):
stay on yours where it's safe.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, it did. It did feel like I came I
came away from that going all right. So Detroit's not
one of those if we get down by a lot,
we can get back in this game a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Just by Detroit's one of those that apparently just won't
show up. Yeah, they never got off the bus.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, they weren't there, which is odd because they've been
great on the road all year. They've been great on
the road, and then out the gate, Yeah, got smashed
twenty eight not the.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Four straight drives allowed. Toddy right, Toddy Tuddy heart.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Left hook by everybody, everybody in Baltimore kicking while they
laid the hammer.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I mean, that was the team that That was the
moment that Matt was was talking about. It is press
conference when they we get knocked down, we're gonna punch
you in the knees. I mean they knee punching yesterday,
you know Detroit. Yeah, I mean I guess again, I
did say that that was vintage Baltimore right there, So yeah,
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I guess I did learn a little bit more about
about Detroit.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It was the most complete Baltimore Raven win we've seen.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
H Yes, it was like that, And that's kind of
scary because they look like the best team in the
AFC North yesterday and looked like a true contender in
the AFC yesterday.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I mean, Brady brought it up man Miles Garrett, he's
a beast.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
He is unreal and he's so flexible, Like you see
how low he comes off the ground, but then can
can jump like literally is just jump over you all
quickly and then get back up in the air to
block a field. Dude is like he's a pretty he's
like built to do the things that he does. It's
like weird, he's built like but he's tall, but he'd
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be low to the ground when he be coming off
that age. Is that a field goal block?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
That was?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
It's unbelievable because if you touch, if you touch somebody
on the line of screaming, if you touch the long snapper,
it's a penalty. And he got all the way up over.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Made a block, all that body up and over that
quickly from from as low as he was on the ground.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
That's man, That's it. And you need signature moments like
that and signature games to really get in the conversation.
And right now he's tied on DraftKings with Micah Parsons
for defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Well, he definitely gave himself some some real, some real
momentum with that game. Yeah, that was a good.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
One, And I mean listen, you know PJ. Walker I mean,
it feels like they've really found something at quarterback. I mean,
doesn't does Deshaun Watson want to play? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I mean, does he want to play?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I mean at some point, I mean, I guess he
can't say he doesn't want to play because then they
probably be able to go after his money. But does
he want to play? How could you not want to
play with the defense like that that you're going to
have a shot to win.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You get two hundred and thirty million guaranteed, no matter what.
It's kind of that. I mean, now he does it
if he retires, But as long as he just eats
this thing out the next five I mean, they cut him,
they can do whatever they want. Like he plays bad enough,
they can't cut me. They still them two hundred thirty
million dollars.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
That's what I'm saying. Like the dude goes down and
then they say to report after the game. Was he
The coaches said he was fine, They were just monitoring it,
being safe, but he was like more a little down
on it. Like I'm praying and I'm hoping that it
isn't as bad as I thought it was. Like, yeah,
he's he's actually the one that's basically reporting on his
(05:35):
health to the media, which was everyone else peculiar.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Everyone else was a medical opinion. Just clears them pretty much.
I mean, it's like, well, it's kind of similar to this.
You get to kill it gets a trust fund, right,
two hundred and thirty million dollars, and he's like, hey,
you want to go out and get a job. He's
like not really, no, no, no, I've got two hundred
thirty million coming. I'm good. That's what it kind of
feels like. Like it's it's human nature, by the way, too.
(06:00):
For if someone wants if you want to the lotto
and you end up netting two hundred and thirty million,
because we always talk about the Powerball and all that, like,
you'd probably be like, I'm good. Probably not, I'm probably
not gonna do this anymore, right.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
So you're saying I don't have to really play anymore.
That's what we're saying to Sean.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
And look, Stefanski was saying afterwards that you know, he
was cleared of the concussion proto you know, they checked
him for concussion, he was cleared, and then it was
Stefanski that just decided not to put him in the
game because he wanted to protect his franchise quarterback. Which
were which were the words, I want to protect my
franchise quarterback. Say, okay, then why why did he suit up?
(06:42):
Like if that's the case, why is he playing at all?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
The Browns are going to make a run with PJ.
Walker starting as their quarterback for the majority of this year,
and they're two hundred and thirty million dollars starting quarterback
on the bench, chilling.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
The trust the trust fund. Baby, that's chilling.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
That's an expensive backup quarterback.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Hey wow, wow, you can have whatever opinion you may
want to have on it. He has made me single
handedly ruined the opportunity of any other player.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Every ever again, I mean, ever, ever, ever, ever ever,
every owner is like exhibit A, this is exactly why
we're not giving you guaranteed money. But I said, don't
ever come around here again, like never, never, ever, ever,
ever ever come around here again asking for a guarantee contract.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I mean, listen, you know, Brady Quinn's been pounding the
table for years on Fox Sports Radio. I wish they
would take the backup quarterback job a little bit more seriously,
start paying these guys and really invest in this. Well,
Cleveland's investing two hundred and thirty million dollars in a
backup quarterback, so clearly, I mean that's an important position. Yeah,
so give me good for Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I told you all, like I talked with some folks
before the season and they were trying to convince me
as a top five quarterback. I was like, top five
when no, way, I go, at what point do you
think he It was the four and twelve season when
he put up great stats, a lot of that in
garbage time, and it is like, was that the year
you saw that? Like, I don't know that he had
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ever at any point in time during his career been
at top five quarterback, but like that was their their
tagline with the top five, top five. I'm like, he's
not a top five quarter He's never been a top
five quarterback. So not sure where you get that from.
And now you've incentivized him to not play because he's
just paid. I mean, the whole situation is incredibly frustrating
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as a Browns fan. It's incredibly frustrating as a former
Browns player, because they don't need to do much more
at the quarterback spot in order to make a run
because their defense is so good, because they've got such
a great offensive line and are able to run the football,
and they've got weapons outside too. If you just he's
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got average quarterback play and didn't turn the football over,
this team would be like we look at him and say, yeah,
they're may be not the Chiefs, but they can sure
as compete with the Chiefs. And I'll put him in
a one game playoff scenario. I give him a shot
with that defensive running game. If you just had a
quarterback who didn't turn it over and made a few
throws a few plays, man, it's frustrating to me. Man,
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I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
The saw Watson speaking of a few throws and a
few plays complete it one pass for five yards, which
match his interception total.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Look, interceptions were the same even before he left the game.
He wasn't good like they weren't. He wasn't playing well.
They actually got better quarterback play from PJ. Walker.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
When he came in and said, you look at the
way he was playing, Jodas is like, does he want
to play?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
So he did speak afterwards. So here he was Sean
Watson talking about the decision to not go back in
the game during the game yesterday between the Browns and
the Colts.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
I want to go out there and try to have
the team as much as possible and go out there
and play and perform with your pet. But the decision
was was best for you know, the team, and I
thought that was the best. And you know PJ did
a great job of finishing the game, and everyone else
played having the job to get the game.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
That might be a horrible person because ever since everything
that's happened, why does it always sound like he's sitting
on a on.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
A sales stand.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Yes, why does it always sound like he's sitting on
the stand.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Do you do you got a guilty conscious? You sound
like testify and everybody on the advice.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Return to the game for a minute.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
All right, now I've played other Now play what he
just said yesterday.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, right, what he just said.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I know, I.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Want to go out there and try to have the
team as much as sponsible. Lawyer rights on the decision
that was best for you know, the team, And.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It just all sounds it just sounds like you, you
know what. I can't help but think of when he
decides that you know, he's medically clear. This is now
twice that he's been cleared and has not played. For
whoever's reasoning or or the reason why he's not played,
but this is now twice that we know of documented
that he's been cleared medically to play and just doesn't play.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
He's guilty of not being the person that they thought
they brought it well, that's why he's interviewing the way that.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I can't help but think Nick Chubb's got to be
watching this, going, I do anything to be out there
like I would do, like I almost lost my career
on that play, and who knows how I'm going to
recover from this knee injury that I suffered that was gruci.
It was another knee injury to the same knee. If
I'm not mistaken, He's gonna be watching something like that
going seriously, man Like, if they were to tell me
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right now, hey, listen, you're cleared, but it's up to you,
you think Nick Chubb or ninety nine percent of players
are going to be like, no, no, no, no, Now,
I'm gonna go ahead and set this one out. It's
for the why, it's what's best for the team. I
may not be wait, wait, you make how much money?
It's it's best for the team that you be off
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the field, even if you're not one hundred percent. Okay, yeah,
it's uh, that's a weird one.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
I don't think he wants to play anymore. I think
we've seen the last of Deshaun Watson, and he's going
to play. He's going to stay on the roster. What
I'm saying is is you're not going to see an
elite level caliber quarterback ever again out of him. I
just don't see it. I agree, I just don't see it.
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Like it ain't there, Like did.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
We see it in the first place at any point?
Like that's the thing that I'd say that I know
he was good in Houston, right, but like I think
you could contend, like, really was he up there amongst
the top? Like, I don't think it was ever the case. Like,
and I understand people we went to the Pro Bowl.
It's like and the year he led the league in
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in yards and all that that was where like if
you really dissect through some of that garbage, a lot
of that stuff came in some blowout losses.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think he was impressive in some
of the things that he was able to do. But
to justify some of the conversations in terms of what
he represented in comparison to other quarterbacks. It's not you
can't do it.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
He was never a top five quarterback. He was viewed
as somebody who had the potential that you would want
to build your organ or your roster around that he
was young, and that's somebody that for the next ten years,
you know, if he continues to send he could get
to that point. And it just never happened. And that's
the intrigue of it. When you have the situation where
it's kind of turbulent with what's going on, and I
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think it was turbulent times in Houston, and people are
looking at it like he's still performing. So there there
was some merits to it, Like you think about what's
going on and uh with the Chargers right now, you know, like, no,
I'm not I'm not going to downgrade Herbert.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Are we going to downgrade him?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Man?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I mean I mean, I mean not yet? Yeah, we
tell her not yet.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
We'll do that now, damn.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
But it's just it's not well, yeah, it's not. It's
just not it's not anything that they thought that they
were they were buying or purchasing, and Kevin Stefanski's got
to sit up there and have to answer these questions
over and over again.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
One completion and one interception, and that one completion that
he gave you was for five yards.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, that's I mean, on the season. On the season,
he's basically getting paid a little over five hundred thousands
so far per completion.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Oh what a bargain.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
That's in essence what he's got sixty six completions. He's
he's getting paid like forty six million this year in essence.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yes, you are, Yes, you are.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Well.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Listen, still a damn good division. We'll say that.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
And you know it's t tell you by the.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Way, Yeah, damn right, it is tell you vah way
to believe it.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
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Speaker 2 (15:56):
LaVar you alluded to it. We were there in come
but so Ohio. We were at the Graduate in Columbus, which,
by the way, it was awesome having everybody hang out.
That was a last getting.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Really hung out man.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, I mean had a great time. Yeah, all weekend long.
Yeah not a Columbus.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, we were there for about eleven hours. But hey,
the show was fun. We had a good time, and
everybody who came out and watched the show really appreciate it.
That was that was a turn out too, Like there
was a there was the gentleman and I hope he's
listening because I wanted to say bye to him before
he left. But he was listening, and you pointed out LeVar.
He was in the front row. He had the flannel
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on and he was listening to the show on yea,
all watching the show And that was really awesome and
really cool to see everybody. So that was a good time.
And then you know, Saturday rolled around.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Yeah I didn't even see Q on set. It's like weird.
I was like, where's my dude?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I know, I know, so a little behind the scenes
when we go into the stadium. In order to be
able to make it work because it takes a few
minutes to do it, they usually have me go host
a segment and I did that with Klatt and Linert,
So then it allows everyone else to be able to
make it their way in otherwise we wouldn't really be
able to do it. So we're constantly kind of juggling
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how you transition from one set outside to one set
inside the stadium.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
By the way, did production Levey hung out to dry
on some of the like the video they're showing the shoes, yes,
this tweet like, yes, that's what a nerd I am.
I'm watching for that stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And I'm like, come on, man, yeah, yeah, there was
like a card that I there was they were supposed
to roll that didn't did roll in for a preview
or a bump and then they just go straight to
the shoe and I was like okay, which by the way,
I've never even seen the shoe.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And I was just like, okay, anyway, but you've got
to wear it, because.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, you've gotta wear it, like you're gonna wear this
awkwardness that goes on TV. And then and I'm like,
why why is this, like because something that happens every
flipping week, Like we had to get in Lebron James
shoe that it's designed for the game, like this was
such a big deal and they throw it in there like.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
That, Well, I heard you said some very kind words
about me on the telecast, A whole bunch of people
hit me up. I was like, that's my baby, bro. Man,
Like everybody's little brother should have that type of love
for their guy. But I appreciated it, man. Like a
lot of people was like, man, like you, Q was
talking good.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I was like, well, okay, but I'm gonna be real
with you right now. I did not like our text
conversation after the game because I seemed more upset with
the loss than you seemed after the loss.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yeah, well, cause for me, I looked at it like this,
Like I talked to Drew like immediately after the game,
and then we talked a little bit after it, and
you know what I felt like. I felt like we
were good enough to win the game in spite of
and I won't even go into criticisms of of what
in spite of would be take It was obvious, Yeah,
(18:56):
I think it was pretty obvious. But our defense play, well,
our defense actually turned the tie to that game. And
who knows what happens if if that that play isn't
called back. But you know, we ended up losing by eight,
and it wasn't a real eight. Like I won't say
it was a real eight because we couldn't We could
not move the ball consistently. But the DF played their
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hearts out.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I thought, you guys went for a fourth down rather early.
That was unnecessary. They kind of gave them, you know,
field position and points to there. But the only thing
I'd say about the fumble recovery that was returned for
a touchdown was it was defensive holding. I believe. I
believe it was on Hardy.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Gee it was.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
It was. We we went back and watched it, and
what didn't make sense was he had outside leverage. He
was kind of funneling Harrison to the safety. It really
wasn't needed, Like I mean, I although I guess I
say that, And like every single time a Penn State
player was in perfect position covering margin areas, he's still
made the catch.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yeah, I still got it. I mean, he made his
money in that game. I'll tell you that he is special.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
He might have made a case for the Heisman if
he keeps doing that. I'll be real with you. Where
hasn't been Michael Penix hasn't didn't play great and especially
if they drop a game, there hasn't been anyone who's
been overly dominanting I know people are going to challenge like, oh, well,
what about you know, Michael Pennix or Bo Nicks or
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you know, Dylan Gabriels. The other one too, I think
has carried Oklahoma so far this year. But the person
you don't want to be critical of, but I will
be critical of, is Mike Garsich, the offense coordinator at
Penn State. I have thought this for a while. I said,
I kind of said this to a lot of folks
coming into the game. There's two concerns. The interior of
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Penn State's defense has been light. How State might be
able to get push, which they did and run the football.
And Mike Geersich, well, you were one out of two.
I mean, the reality is he just he cannot come
up with any sort of scheme or plan to get
guys open, because look, I get you don't have Marvin
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Harrison junior wide receiver. But that doesn't mean like KeAndre
Lambert Smith isn't capable that that doesn't mean like the
Sefist kid, and they go, who's a transfer? Like he
had all this production in the mac, all this production
that can stay under Sean Lewis, by the way, who's
now out of Colorado, all this production right, and you
can't figure out ways of getting him the football to
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the very end with a two minute drive, which you
should in that case because you have to, Like I
just I really struggle to think that Drew Aller will
be maximized or his abilities will be maximized if James
Franklin doesn't go have to go out and look for
a better offensive coordinator. Like I'm sorry, I'm not trying
to call for someone's head or job, but that was
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in this entire year. They've thrown eight balls coming into
this in this last week's game over twenty five yards.
Eight balls. That's it. That's it. And they had one
play over forty yards coming into the game. Guess how
many they have now? One play. And you can't sit
there and just put it on players. As a coach.
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It's your job to still be able to throw the
football downfield and be able to stress defenses like that.
It was incredibly difficult to watch and sit there and say,
I don't know how Penn State can get to where
they ultimate need to get there. Because they got the quarterback,
they got an old line, they got a running game,
they got defense.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
You have all of it.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It's all of it, but the offensive side of the
ball is a glaring, glaring miss right now schematically what
they're doing.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I just hope it was a wake up call. That's
what I'm hoping for. Like, and you know, your chich
has to be honest with himself, you know, because I
do think that this was not this was not a
player's loss, and that pains me. But I'll say this,
I guess you're honest coached his ass off and I don't.
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And I honestly I don't put it on Frank either.
Like I just think that that's you. You're the CEO,
and when those things happen, they happen, and I just
you know, that's I could have been pissed off, and
I could have been irate after after the game. Back
to your original point, but I was. I'm a defensive dude,
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and I was standing with I still with our defense.
Imagine this, like as sore as my ankle is, I
stood and was running around. My adrenaline was on high,
and I was with our defense all game long. And
let me tell you something. Outside of a couple runs
and a couple of good plays by the quarterback to
QB Marvin Harrison Junior was a freak. He was a
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man amongst boys and not Listen, Kayln King is a
grown ass man that cornerback. I was proud of our
defense and what they did. I was they stepped up.
They stepped up all game long to give them the
opportunities that that they needed to win the game. Let
me let me ask you this, Q, when when you
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were watching the game, did you feel as though I
felt as though when I was watching our offense out there.
The reason why it was so difficult for for our
receivers to get open, but it wasn't very difficult for
Ohio States to get open is we were overloading on defense,
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so we were going straight man coverage. We were not
doing any type of zoning on them at all unless
it was like long, long yardage situations. We were manning
them boys up. But we on on offense, we're we're
so we're so dependent on our our our tight ends,
which we weren't really using. We weren't utilizing them the
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way that we, in my opinion, should have if you're
going to have them in the game, and it was
allowing for Ohio State to have to coverage two safeties
to add into the coverage scenario, scenarios over over them.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I'll put it this way. That wasn't the that wasn't
the issue. There was times they were playing zero coverage
and you just had a man a man. That's it.
On the outside, there has to be more of a
willingness to throw something other than a slant. I mean,
we made we joked about it at halftime. It became
a slantthon and honestly it was more Penn State than
anything else. It was almost a joke at one point,
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like what you could expect. And I think the coverage
was tight on Penn State, especially when they did decide
to play man, but it's because they were never threatened
down the field. I don't care if you don't think
that's a high percentage throw for your offense. It's no
different than times when you see a team run between
the tackles versus a really good team with good defensive tackles.
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You still have to test it and do it because
it makes play action, it makes an RPO, it makes
all these things off of it still work. And sometimes
people say, well they analytics toles say you that, It's like, no,
no trust me. I ask any defensive player. If you
have to run some of that, do they have to
respect it? Of course they do because they still have
to do their job every play. If you never threaten
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a cornerback on a go route, on a deep post
route the entire time, they never feel threatened by it. Yeah,
Like they always feel like they're coming forward. They always
feel like they can have hands on the wide receiver
and make a play on the football. Like the scariest
thing you can do to a cornerback is get him
into his backpedal and have a dude run by his ass.
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And I don't even care if you complete the ball,
because you know what that DB's thinking. Few got away
with one. Man got away with one. Or sometimes when
there's someone else who's targeted and he gets run by,
he's like, few, he went somewhere somewhere else, didn't go
to my thank god, right Like that that's how they think.
That's how they think. And at no point did Penn
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State really try to threaten anything down the field. And
if they want to try to be Michigan, because that's
the next big one coming up for them, that's their
only hope and shot. As they moved through the Big Ten,
of trying to still make it to the playoff for
the Big Ten championship game. They've got to learn to
flip that switch quick. And you know, look at their
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wide receiver group. That group is better than I think
people are giving credit. So we get to talk about
how they don't have Marvin Harrison Junior, but the reality
is they don't have a coordinator who's designing plays to
push the ball downfield like Ryan Day did for Marvin Harrison,
or even Katee Stover for that matter, who had seven years.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yes, he was balling.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Tell me, tell me, if you guys came away think
of the same thing. I came away being more disappointed
in Penn State than I was impressed by Ohio State.
Same like, I just it was kind of like, oh, man,
really just as the game.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Was our year to get him, Man like that we're
so complete. I just knew this was the year to
get him.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
And you lost one of your best edge rushers in
Chop Robinson earlier in that game, and it's like you
still would have had a shot, and it's just it
was almost like they were just wasted series and drafts.
And look, I'll be the first to say too, I
didn't think Drew Aller had a good game. He seemed rattled,
He didn't seem like he ever really found his rhythm
until the very very end. But I always feel like
for a quarterback who's on the road his first really
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true big game of his career, it helps to take
some shots down field. It does. It helps to take
some shots downfield and loosen them up a little bit.
And I'll go a step further. I mean if you
look at by the way, how I think teams maybe
felt in the NFL about Penn State's offense and what
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the Sean Clifford was a fourth round draft pick. And
I'm gonna ask you this, did you think he was
gonna get drafted by Green Bay or draft have to
at all? LeVar Wow.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
I mean if you wanted a quarterback that could run
quarterback draw, I'm just saying no, I didn't think he
get drafted.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
There's people who didn't think he gets drafted. He got
draft in the fourth round Packers and it is their backup.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Yes, he's their backup.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, And so it gives you a sense of clearly
at the NFL level, some teams saw something in Sean
Clifford of his capabilities that within the offense. Yeah, and again,
I know it sounds like a being really really critical,
but when you're talking about a team that has a
chance to play for a national championship, you have to be.
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Penn State fans and a lums should be because I've
seen this for years now and they have not one
to make a change at OC to figure out a
way of getting more out of the piece they have.
This team's too talented. I feel like they're wasting the
talent that they've got on this roster right now.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
No, but it's it's fair to be critical because who's
going to be the one that gets all the criticism
nationally and from a general standpoint, it's gonna be James Franklin.
What in nine versus Ohio State? He can't be top
twenty five, And it's going to be the quarterback. It's
gonna be Drew Rowler. So like, if there's if there's
other issues going on there, like those guys are almost
covering up for what could be problematic moving forward for
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them and what has been problematic all along.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
I hope that they do a good self scout of
the gang because we still have a chance. They're still really.
I still contend that this is a special group and
it would be a shame if if it was wasted
on not just self scouting how you could do things better.
I mean, that's just what this is all about. And
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sometimes you gotta, you know, you gotta put maybe what's
comfortable to the side. You know, maybe he feels like
he's trying to protect Drew, but sometimes you just gotta
let guys, you know. I mean, it's like that first
time when your kid doesn't have their training wheels on
their bike right, like, they could go down, but I'd
rather see I'd rather see him go down with you
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knowing that I'm trusting that in this process he's either
going to sink or he's going to swim. But either way,
it's going to give him the much needed experience. I
would have rather had the experience of pushing the ball
downfield in games prior than start trying to push the
ball downfield in a game like Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
You know, I'll say this, Columbus is awesome.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Oh I enjoyed myself. It is awesome, and people in
Columbus I appreciate you guys. I was on my scooter,
so I went and got a scooter. I was on
my scooter and nobody gave me any problems, like you know, yeah,
nobody messed with me. Everybody was kind of cordial, like
are you okay? Like are you getting around? So thank
(31:54):
you guys for that.
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Speaker 2 (32:35):
Congratulations to Bill Belichick career win number three hundred yesterday,
so one of three coaches in NFL history, George Allis,
Don Shula being the other two. So rarefied air for
Bill Belichick and the New England past.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
What a team to do it again.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
To Yeah, well, that's kind of they gave him a
fighting chance to get that one. That's kind of the
bigger story here. The hell's going on with the Buffalo
bill Man, it feels like we have this conversation at
least every other week or something along those lines. This
is a weird team that should not have lost that
game yesterday, yet here we are. What the hell is
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going on with the Bills. We got to figure this out.
Let's diagnose something here before we're done with this topic.
What do you think it is?
Speaker 4 (33:19):
If? If I'm being honest and I'm looking at it,
it's they have to find a way to be more consistent.
I just think looking at how that game went yesterday,
they very easily could have won, probably should have won
that game, and they turned it on at the end
(33:42):
to turn it turn it into an interesting one. It
got away from them, but you allowed you allowed the
emotions of the Patriots to really carry them through the
majority of that game. And you know, they play physical,
they played hard, but you could clearly see that Buffalo
(34:04):
had the ability and the opportunity to be able to
to do much better than what they did. And then
by the time they did it, it was a little too
late for them to do it, and then came down
to the last moments of the game. But you know,
I don't know, man, that they're just wildly inconsistent if
you ask me, like, this.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Is why though, I think when people go, have they
hit their ceiling? When you watch a game like this,
you're like, Okay, out the gated divisional game on the road.
I mean, I don't think they You look at any
Bill Belichick coach team and go, it's gonna be a
layup right and out the gate. The Patriots came out
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and just kind of were from the jump, were the
better team. And I look at them, I'm just like, Okay,
they've lost the Jets basically without Rogers, they've lost the Bills,
all right, excuse me? The Patriots, Like how how really
good are they? And I know, like if you look
at their losses, you look at you know, their their
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schedule the season. I just think they're so different than
how we look at the Chiefs. I mean the Chiefs.
Chiefs have ripped off what's six straight? Yeah, now, no,
I mean, it's just it's hard to think that they
can compete on that level. It feels like it's Kansas
City and everyone else in the AFC right now, and
(35:30):
Baltimore looked great, but you know, they've had their moments
where they struggled. And maybe with with Manka now calling plays,
and if that's what we can we can expect based
on what we saw this past week, we can expect
them to be in the mix. But man, I just it,
the questions about Buffalo and if they hit their ceiling
are only legitimized when you go and watch a game
(35:52):
like this. And maybe it's the defense being as banged
up as they are, they've suffered a lot of injuries.
Maybe it's that, you know, maybe it's just the inconsistency sometimes,
you know, with the offense in the passing game, whatever
the case may be. It's why it's hard to buy
into the Bills being a Super Bowl contender. Outside of
(36:13):
the fact that Josh Allen's a tremendous talent. That's really
the only thing that you always come away saying why
they have a chance of it. After that, I'm not
sure howse you would be able to make a case
based on how this team's played so far this year.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
When buff when New Englan, when Buffalo went down and
scored and took the lead late in that game. I thought, Okay,
that's it, because there's no way this Patriots offense, with
the way it's looked all year long, is going to
be able to go seventy five yards with the amount
of time that was left.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
We're not stopping them.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
And man, they went down the eight plays seventy five
yards in a minute forty six went down the field
and scored, and it's like it was almost like the
AFC Divisional game where there's no way.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
The Chiefs the difference.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
It wasn't Mahomes right, You're like, this is the offense
everybody's been making jokes about for weeks, Like they were
outscored what was it like seventy nine to three or
something over a two game stretch, Like they were awful
and went right down the field on the bills, like
right down the field with the game on the line.
And I was happy to see the Patriots win. But
(37:17):
I just come away from that going I just don't
get it. And maybe maybe you're right, Maybe that moment
in the AFC Divisional game where they blew that lead
was their chance and the window just started to slowly close,
and maybe people within that organization knew it, which is
why you had guys like Stefan Diggs have the offseason
(37:39):
that he had. I mean, look, Leslie Frazier just kind
of disappeared. He's doing TV. It's not like he just
took time away to he just kind of walked away.
And yeah, they've got the injuries. It just feels like
there's something. There's something off there, and I just I
do wonder is this the type of year if they
don't end up going places? Is this when they start
(38:00):
kicking the tires and maybe making a head coaching change
because somebody's got to be held accountable, and Josh Allen's
already been paid. Like, I just wonder, are they gonna
look at that and go, we got to get somebody
else in here, because maybe this team is just not
responding to Sean McDermott anymore. If that's a real conversation,
I'm just saying, like, wow, what what is the other answer?
(38:20):
What's the other solution? And then you just what tear
it all down? They got pieces there.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
They got more than just pieces. They have what they need.
It's just not that they went healthy healthy.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Their defense is pretty decimated, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
How much do you guys put in that. I mean
not to switch change subjects, but you did have your
two top cornerbacks out in that Miami game, like does
that and and I guess foreseeably they're coming back.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yeah, perhaps you should be back. Except that's what That's
why I think I would love to see if that
ended up being the Super Bowl. I wouldn't mind seeing
it because I'd love to see how those two quarterbacks
match up with Javonte Smith and A J. Brown, If
xavieron Howard and Jalen Ramsey were back and healthy and
all that they made that run, I would love to
see it. But it's I felt like last night's game,
(39:16):
not to segue into that, was an exist example of
how football is still won. Like we're all happy promoting hey,
flag football to the Olympics suite awesome seven on seven,
like oh cool man, yeah's that's not football, all right,
that's not football, that's not American football. This game is
still one with the physicality and the trenches. And last
(39:39):
night was an example of that. The way Philly I
thought dominated the offensive and defensive line for Miami, and
that's that's still how games are won and lost and
championships are still won and lost in.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
This league at Taylor. Swift to that list too, please.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
I mean, brit what's your problem with the flag football stuff?
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Like?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Why can't you just be happy for these people? They
want to go win a gold medal.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
This is the sort of thing though, and I'm not
trying to be a conspiracy theorist of all this, but
this is the sort of thing when when they are
pushing certain narratives early on, they're trying to pave the
ground roads for what it may become in the future.
Like that's what this is. They're trying to condition people
(40:24):
to be okay with the different type of football that
they're trying to play in seven on seven in flag
football all that because because they know for a fact,
you don't have to deal with the head injury concerned,
You don't have to deal with all that stuff. The
gruesomeness of what it could look like when you've got
to do is laid out on the field. It has
to be taken off in an ambulance.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Do you think they're trying to attack the.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Game that you grew with the NFL?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Right again, do you feel like they're Are they trying
to modify part of your childhood, the thing that you
delivered you and brought you so much happiness and joy
and competitiveness in your life. Do you feel like that's
why flag football is such a such a problem.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I think people are trying to take away masculinity and
like physicality, That's what I think. If you want to
be a real sound I'm sorry, Like I'm not standing
for that. Okay. We need strong people, we need strong men,
We need strong leaders. And the game of football that
I know and love and with is what this country needs.
(41:29):
That's what we need. None of these sissy flags flags,
none of this seven on seven all way through the air.
I want air. I want by ground, I want by
any means necessary, an it means that's right, that's what
I want.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Tell me.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
We will bring physicality back to football again.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
Talking about Bright and Gwinn for president of the National Football.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Man, I would chew epos right now.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
You imagine if they just let me go in for
Roger Goodell and US three would just sit up there
in the office and come up with ways just making
football just what football used to be. Like LeVar would
be like, yep, I'm in charge of uh the competition.
Just what. It's all on the table again, all right.
(42:29):
None of this defenseless receivers crap across the book, none
of this protection for quarterbacks. It's all back.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
I'm hiring by Way.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Taylor and Jack Tatums. I would literally be expanding rosters.
I'd make it so they could have, you know, eighty
players on the on the roster. I'd be like, look,
you're gonna need five quarterbacks. Just we're gonna run.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
Through these guys.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Take it a part
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