October 25, 2023 • 37 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar returns from the IR. Deion Sanders agrees with Brady, that Michigan sign stealing isn’t the difference maker everyone makes it out to be. Mike Vrabel has no qualms about playing two quarterbacks this week. All that and much more on “ICYMI.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. That's right,
let's back. Levar's back. We talk about where the hell
he's been. We're also gonna talk about what's going on
with this Michigan sign stealing scandal. Dion Sanders coach Prime
ways in, he's got some thoughts. We're gonna discuss what
went down on social media yesterday. Because Brady Quinn is
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Shoovar's back. I tried to last back. I tried to
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call you last night.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
You probably all right, I was.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
I had my son. I was given on one of
those those perception versus reality. Even though your perception becomes
your reality, your perception that became reality could be very
far apart from reality. Yes, we had that conversation yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Those are some like grown adult converse.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, and that was why I had to bring in
Like I called you, I called TJ. Who else did
I talk? Jesse Loketta like just so he could hear
you know, like you can't expect yourself you can't look
at yourself as an elite when your preparation and your
habits and your production is an elite. Can't. You can't.
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You can't think in your mind, You can't walk around
in your mind like I'm elite. You just can't do it.
So anyway, I was I was testing him, and I
just wanted him to see that I wasn't picking on
him when I asked him, when you played how much
film do you think you watched a day outside of
the facility.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
I mean, well, I'll say this, it was harder when
we were you know, when we were at that age.
I watched a ton at the facility, But I used
to get VHS tapes and watch a ton in my
in my dorm room, like game after game after game.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
So yeah, I mean it was still a lot.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I used to fall asleep with the cassette or DVD
you know in my hand, the remote in my hand.
That's how much film I used to watch. I got
fall asleep, I said. I basically said, you you can
look at guys that make things look easy, and you
can see the end product. But the one thing that
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you can never do is think that you're the end product.
And not really put in the work, in the time
and the sacrifice to make it look easy the way
that guys make it it look easy. I said, you
look at your dad and you're like, oh, oh, he
does this, that and the other like, look at the
way he did that. It's like, man, I studied that
guy at nauseum at nauseum and knew if I did
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certain things. I said, when you're playing chess, when you
get pretty good at chess, you start to realize that
you're making moves off of strategy, but you're also making
moves off of anticipation. If I make a move and
you move two or three pieces that I want you
to move that I want you to put your hand on.
I know your move pattern, so I can almost predict
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what I need to do. Once I know that you're
moving the pieces, I want you to move right. I said,
you got to study your opponent and you got to
study yourself so well that when you have those moments
you make big plays. Production. You gotta have good habits,
you gotta have production, you gotta have preparation. So we
had that talk last night. I was like, who better
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to call? I called? I actually called you first.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It was it was around midnight, which usually.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Was it around midnight? It might have been Yeah, I
just looked, Yeah, it might have been. Uh, it wasn't
appropriate for you at that moment in time, that's all.
It was just more of a more appropriate conversation for
Q this one time. You know, if I got to
talk about oxico and diets and stuff like that, you know,
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I'm gonna hit you up.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
JA. How are you feeling them? You feel better?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I'm definitely back. I should I went to my specialist
to begin with. Like, he's right there, he's ten minutes away.
I should have went. I thought I could. I thought
I could just knock it out with some leave and
some ice and some stem y'all saw me stemming. Y'all
saw me ice, and like I thought, I could just
knock it out and it would go away. But it
was pretty This last one was pretty intense. So thanks
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for asking. Thanks for everybody out there. I got a
lot of well wishes. I appreciate it. I'm not dying,
not that I know of, even though we're all dying.
But in the end, yeah, if I'm walking, I'm not.
I'm not on crutches anymore. I'm not on I bought
a scooter in Columbus.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I don't have the scooter, so I'm good. I'm back.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Well you bought a scooter in Columbus. Oh yeah I did,
like you've read it or bought one. No, I bought
it like you know, like put your knee on it scooter.
Oh yeah, yeah, not like a driving scooter or a
stand on it, like like you know type scooter, but
like the knee scooter.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Yeah. I was on a knee scooter. Yeah, got me through.
My adrenaline had me walking. I mean, y'all saw me
on set. I was standing on set with with nothing.
You know, I walked pretty normal because I just didn't
want to not look like I was walking normal.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Well, I mean you also might have been like filming
the other sideline or something like that.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
You know, you know, when you when you really want
to have better results than the results that you're possibly
going to have, you just want to or and sure
that you're going to continue to get the results that
you want, you know, you still signs. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I mean, because you know, there's some people that are
not happy with the assumption that you know, it's commonplace
that you know, Michigan, what they're doing with this sign
stealing situation and a guy going to games and filming
the sideline. They don't want, they don't want to deal
with the reality that this might actually happen in other places,
that Michigan didn't have the genius idea of having somebody
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buying tickets really and sitting, uh, sitting in the crowd
and looking at Yeah, there's a lot of little bit
of blowback yesterday following the conversation and the one that
we had on Friday while in Columbus, is you mentioned
and so who better to discuss this than somebody who
has been the most talked about program and the most
talked about coach in college football all season long, Deon Sanders. So,
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Deon Sanders weighed in on the Michigan sign stealing controversy.
Here was his take.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Everyone's trying to get edge. I mean everyone's trying to
get whatever edge they can. You could have someone's whole
game plan, they can mail it to you. You still got
to stop it. You still got to stop it. So
in football is not as pronounced as baseball. If I
know a curveball is coming, I'm I'm I got you.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
You know wood football, I don't give it, Durnym.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
You know a sweep is coming, you still got to
stop it physically.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
It's a physical game. You got to stop it. So
that that's a little tough.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
I don't buy into a lot of this stuff that
someone's stealing it still in that, I don't. I don't
buy into a lot of that.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Still got to play the game.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
So that was deon Sanders. You do still have to
play the game, but there is something to know. What's
I'm in your way.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Though, So I'm sure you guys saw this if you've
been following the story and I it just it made
me laugh. So did you guys see the clip that
was going around social media? It was Ohio State on
Offense CJ stroads last year the Ohio State Michigan game,
and it was a clip of basically Ohio State looking
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back to their sideline and then it shows Connor Stallion's
the gentleman at Michigan. He's been accused of all of
this on Michigan sideline and he's pointing up giving a
signal real quick, you know, looking across the field after
he sees Ohio State signal. And the funny thing is
is like everyone's oh cee cee, like look at which
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I'm like, well, that's that's actually legal. Like what he's
doing is a hundred percent legal. Happens on every field,
every team across the country.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
The irony to it, though, is the result of the
play of that particular play was a touchdown pass for
Ohio State a Mecca a BUCA. So it's like we're
making such a big deal about whatever was taking place
or happening in Michigan.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Even though it goes on everywhere else.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Maybe they're not as slick as everyone to hide it,
or maybe it's they're doing more advanced scouting in regards
to other teams that they're they're watching and stealing signs
for and all that. Yet we're finally getting someone who
is probably the best in Deon Sanders to talk about
because he played baseball, he played football, he can kind
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of tell you, like what kind of impact does this have,
and he's like, yeah, it's you still gonna go out
and stop the play.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
This is a prime example of that. Like you're looking
at this clip and everyone's like, oh, look what they did.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Look at this and it's like, you know, Ohio State
throw a touchdown pass the next play.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
So whatever Michigan's doing, clearly they're not.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Doing it effectively.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, stopped working like now.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Obviously, the result of the game was Ohio State losing
to Michigan, which a lot of people will point you
at much signs stealing.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
About you, man, When I go back and watch the tape,
I mean, the Michigan is running between the tackles.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Hos State had an extra guy in the box. They
just weren't making plays.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Like when you go back and look at the last
two years of High State Michigan, I don't think it's
a sign stealing problem, you know. I don't look at
Michigan's success and go, yeah, that's because they're stealing signs.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
They're just they're a good football team.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
They've been building towards this for a while, and I
think it almost diminishes what those players have done because
we've now gotten to the point where we want to
try to find a reason for like their success over
the past couple of years, and you're taking away.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
From what they're actually doing on the field. So again,
this goes on all over college football.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
They could fix it rather quickly, and there's a reason
when you talk to other people who are insiders in
college football, and they go to these afcas.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And they talk to coaches.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
There's a reason why they don't push for it because
there's a lot of coaches who are really good at this,
and there's a lot of coaches who make their name
off of this and how they go about calling games
offensively and defensively. So if you take it away and
you go back to coach the quarterback, it doesn't give
them that same advantage that they've had, so that a
lot of them aren't pushing so hard to get this
change to college football. So I still think the whole
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conversation around this is being a little bit overblown. I
understand if they're doing something that was illegal that was
a rule put in back in the nineties, fine, but
we're in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
We probably need to go to a system similar to
the NFL.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Anyway, and maybe this is the actually way of pushing
it forward and pushing the game forward in that respect.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
I just still feel like there's some type of agenda
against Harball. I don't know what direction it's coming from.
I don't know if it's the university. I don't know
if it's the Big Ten. I don't know if it's
anything else someone else. Is it Anonymous? You know Anonymous
has been known to get people on social media, you
know what I mean, Like Anonymous has made fools of
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people before. I just don't know where it's coming from.
But I feel there is no coincidence that it's Michigan,
and it's like always seems to be Michigan lately as
of late, and I just don't I think that whatever
it is, if something else were to come up out
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of this, like if there was something more that comes
to Michigan's way, I just think it's one hundred percent.
You know, it's horrible.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
When Jimbo Fisher got upset because Nick Saban called him
out last year and made some comments about buying his
athletes or buying his players. I think part of what
was so upsetting to Jimbo Fisher is because he knew
he probably had some stuff on Nick Saban in Alabama
and he couldn't believe that another coach would call him
out for doing something that other coaches are doing. And
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it feels like this is kind of in that scene,
another coach is calling out horrible. Yeah, like they probably
complained and went to and you know, people within Michigan,
because Deon Sanders is saying, look, I don't necessarily buy
into that, because you know, he probably knows in talking
with people, yeah, this is kind of commonplace. But you
just don't rat out somebody else just because you're pissed,
Like I don't get pulled over and then call nine
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to one and say what about that guy? He was
speeding too, Like, yeah, we get it. Everybody's kind of
doing the same thing. You're just the one that got
the blame. And it feels like with Michigan and just
sort of the pushback and everybody coming after him. I'll
bet if you pulled coaches anonymously around the country and said, hey,
how commonplace is this maturity of them would say, wonder
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why I wasn't Toledo?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Why wasn't it Akron?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
It's not true.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Why wasn't Enough? Why wasn't it the University of Delaware?
It's not ru see enough? You know what I'm saying,
like like this just it stinks of something. There's there's
an agenda here, you know, an agenda. I just you
know when you study. We talked about I talked about
talking to my son and study film and putting in
the time. If you put in the time to study film,
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and and I know us as Penn State fans, we
know this, you can you can decipher the DNA of
an offense. There's only so many things alignment can do.
So if you're if you're watching film, you're studying alignment.
There's only so many things alignment can do. And oftentimes
what they do pre snap, how they line up. Like
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if you got a very very good pass rusher that
is quick off the edge, I don't care what you
think that that tackle is not going to be heavy
on their hand. They're going to be sitting back three
point stance right or two point excuse me, two point
stance most likely, or super light hand three point stands
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with their hand down, and they're going to escape. They're
going to retreat to get back. There's certain things that
if you watch the film, like okay, you see the sign,
you still know Okay, this this this person, this split
by this receiver. It shows play action, it shows possible reverse,
it shows a possible jet sweep, it shows a crosser
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or a bootleg. You can get all of that by
watching the film. Regardless. Now, if they put wrinkles in.
They put wrinkles in, and you stay true to your keys.
But to say you're stealing signs, if you're watching film
of teams, you're still going to get an opportunity to
put together a game plan as to what you want
to do. And if you're doing it for the defense,
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well that's stupid because a defense is going to run
generally the same type of stuff. They may start with man.
They might be man heavy or they might be a
zone heavy team, and all you have to do is
watch the film to see where they're aligning and what
they want to take away based off of what the
game plan is like. So instilling signs, I'm not I'm
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not certainly sure as to what the distinct. I would
need somebody to educate me on what the distinct. You know,
if advantages that you received by stealing the.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Sign I also think that, and we've talked about this
a little bit yesterday, that you know there were there
have been teams that have suspected Michigan of doing this
and so they switched to risk bands. A lot of
teams this year switched to risk bands, and the result
is they've lost by like thirty five.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
A game and also how's that worked out?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah, that worked out. And I also saw that Ohio
State actually suspected this last year before the game and
they were using majority of their calls on the wristband
and guess what, they still got their ass beats so long.
I just but what are we doing here?
Speaker 5 (16:33):
We're making a big deal about something because of what
LeVar said, it is it's Jim Harbaugh, it's Michigan, and
he's already ticked off the NCAA like the whole investigation
during the recruiting dead period where you know, he wasn't
helpful or cooperative in the investigation. He took some people off,
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and so then there was that, and then he ticked
off the athletic director like there is right now.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
There's not a great relationship.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Between the athletic director in Jim Harbaugh because of how
things were handled last offseason when he was potentially looking
at NFL jobs. So there's a lot of things that
are fishy to me about this. To Levar's point as
far as well, why is it now? Why is it
Michigan If people have known this for years, why is
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this coming out right now? Why Why have teams allowed
this to go on I said one because they're probably
doing it. Two and then two because there's something else
at hand here, someone's behind the scenes trying.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
To do something.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Because the other thing is is, if you've got a
guy who's supposedly so renowned for his decoding skills, how
could you be so blatant and how could you be
this poort covering up your tracks if you're doing something
that you know is illegal or trying to do it,
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and and a lot of other people do this, mind you,
it's it all comes off as incredibly fishy, like there's
much more to this that we're really not getting the
full story. Either way, though, I hope it advances the
game to a point where like I've been critical of
this when people ask, hey, why scoring down in the NFL,
and I've said, well, how much time you got?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Because there's a number of things you can point to.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
But my perspective only comes from the quarterback position, and
even though that position looks at things from a higher level,
I still just say, Okay, let's just look from the
quarterback perspective. Nowadays, since junior high, potentially these young men
are not being taught to look at what's in front
of them. They clap their hands, they say their cadence.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
They look to the sidelines.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
It's like in our society, it's what we look at.
We always we're looking to something else to give us
the answer, Like we don't experience life. First, we go
google something and that's like kind of what this is.
We look out at the field and then we look
over the sideline and get the play what we need
to run instead of teaching kids like, hey, they're in
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a four down front or a three down front. This
is what we want to do from a run blocking standpoint.
This is who the middle linebacker is that sets up
the blocking scheme.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
This is what you do, and don't tell me you
can't do it.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Because we had an elaborate playbook when I was in
junior high. We had checked with me as, we had
audibles all that stuff. Like when you start thinking like
young people aren't capable of.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Doing more, that's your problem, not their problem.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
You young people are incredibly capable of learning a lot
and doing a lot, and yet we want to take
the decision making out of the quarterback's hands, out of players'
hands at a young age, and so junior high, high school, college,
now they get there and they just look at the sideline.
They're always looking to someone else to give them the
answer instead of coaching them during the week to when
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they walk out there on the field, they've got the answers.
I still remember when Charlie Weiss got to Notre Dame
and it was a New England Patriots playbook. My senior year,
we went no hud we had a risk band and
all what a heat throwing a play and I'd look
at it and I'd be like, yeah, no, we run
this because we got we got the technique. We went
on this side, we got three man's side. We can
run this inside zone. Run, or we can run this
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outside zone. Run over here, we got seven technique. We
can reach out, you know, or hey, we're gonna run
a play. Actually that extra guy in the box, you know,
we're gonna fake right out that guy. We're gonna throw
a little post in behind him, and we could do
whatever we want. It was the coolest thing in the world.
And yet nowadays coaches take that out of quarterbacks and players' hands,
and so to me, hopefully this leads to coaches then
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preparing players to then actually go out there and play
the game of football. And understand the game of football,
so they don't need to look to the sideline anymore.
They could just go in there and go out there
and execute, and they can understand coverages and fronts and
everything else.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Because if that happens, then you get these.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Quarterbacks, these young men, when you get the NFL level,
they're much more prepared for what they're at to do
at that level as a professional because they're being treated
like their professional.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
He's at the college level.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Now, it's two pros and a cup of Joe. Here
on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox
with you. So we are going to have the usuals
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It's all yours until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific.
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But one team may have saved an entire game in
the NFL this weekend, and we'll tell you who that
is next.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 1 (21:52):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you. So coming
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Shout out to the Tennessee Titans and our friends listening
on the zone in Nashville. I want to give a
shout out to what is happening there in Tennessee. Yeah, listen,
it's just tremendous what they've done because they've actually saved
the day. They're considering a two quarterback system. Coming up
this Sunday, Malik Willis and Will Levis with Ryan Tannehill
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banged up and to me, that made that game against
Atlanta actually watchable now. So now it actually makes it
a little bit more interesting. So congratulations with the Tennessee
Titans for making this happen. Oh and by the way,
there are some rumblings out there that following the trade
of Kevin Byerd that you're also seeing, you know, DeAndre
(22:58):
Hopkins and Derek Kent, we could also be on the
block as well too. So it feels like we're going
to go ahead and wrap things up here on this
era of Tennessee Titans filter the hop.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Just got there though, Yeah, you know that'd be I mean.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
I guess if you if you're getting traded to a contender,
which you'd assume, I mean, Bayer just got traded to
a contender, right like my Phil is gonna be trying
to play for a Super Bowl. If you're Hopkins and
Dereck Henry, I'm not sure you could be upset about it.
But you know, some of those guys like obviously Hopkins
just got there, so clearly he chose to to want
to be there, and then Derrick Henry, that's all he knows.
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It's it's tough when you then get traded somewhere else
and it's the middle of the season, you're trying to
go in there and you know, learn the system and
and you know develop you know, a rapport with all
the guys you're playing with.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
That's not easy to do.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
But again, if it's if it's your future, it's if
it's for a Super Bowl. I think a lot of
players are obviously willing to do that. But it's just
it's not an easy thing to deal with from a
personal standpoint.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
I mean, maybe it works. What the two quarterback system, Yeah,
maybe it'll work. You know, you got will Levis who
has you know, the Brady Quinn body and can chuck it.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
We're still doing this.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
You got Malik Willis who can chuck it. Chuck it
at least the last we saw Brady Quinn body.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Just break it down. What are we talking about here?
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Well, ripped up from the toes up, even the toenails,
got muscles, man, would you say? Ripped up like a
bad report card? Like horrible report card? Like yep, not
taking that home, it's too ripped up. Yeah, you know
I have to get another one.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, Like you could iron clothes on his abs is
what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Well, you wouldn't want to iron the clothes on his abs,
but you certainly could wash the clothes on.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
The sake of our listeners to to get off this
conversation is two and four at this point in time
in the season, they're owen one of the division.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
By the way, it's not like they've played a ton
of divisional games.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Yeah, no, they're not like that.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Not far out of it.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
They're not far out of it. They're not far out
of it. There are a lot of teams that are
ourselves like.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
This is a decision you make though when you're looking
towards next year, right.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Yeah, or just looking at the fact that I mean,
you've heard rumors come up that they're willing to trade
try Derrick Henry now and and and they may move
on from him. So maybe it is a start of
a rebuild. And I know this. They haven't given him
at his highest peak moments of what he's been able
to do and performance for the Titans. They haven't really
(25:37):
given him any more support they had. I mean, you
don't you didn't help by getting rid of aj Brown,
So I mean it doesn't look and I know you
add d Hot, but I don't know that that moves
the needle like you needed the needle to be moved.
I think he's a fine receiver and I respect his
game for certain, but I think you still need a
(26:00):
someone who could be more of a threat. I think
we are seeing now that the NFL is truly a
speed driven, you know, quick moving type of league now,
so you know, Tennessee just doesn't look like they're built
to be able to do that right now. And so
(26:21):
I think them doing what they're doing right now with
this dual quarterback system, I mean, it could very easily
be them trying to interview who it is that they
are going to keep. This could be an open quarterbacks
competition that's playing out in Tennessee to see, you know,
what direction do we we think about going. These are
(26:42):
two draft pick quarterbacks that you have Little Levis versus Willis. Yeah,
but you've already yeah. I mean, it may seem like
it's evident, you know, they just traded the safety their wholesale.
It may seem like they're kind of whole selling, you know,
or they're just, like like you said, preparing for the future.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Well, I mean, let's and if you just go through
their schedule. They lost the opener against New Orleans that
was a close game, and then they beat the Chargers
in overtime, then they got ripped in half at Cleveland,
and then yeah, but I mean, you know they It's
not like like if that game against Baltimore in London,
you know, if Malik Willis just makes a couple of
(27:19):
different decisions late in that game, we could be having
a completely different conversation, because it was there for the taking,
or at least to make it exciting at the end.
And it said they ended up settling for a field goal,
and they showed Rabel on the sideline after Malik Will's
got sacked for like the thirtieth time in a row
on that final drive inside the red zone, and Rabel
(27:39):
was just kind of like, good God, what are we
doing here. Let's just kick the field goal and let's
just try and figure this out another way. And I
wonder if going into the bye week they had some
conversations there and just said what are we and Rabel
just said, not any good. So let's just let's see
we got in these two guys and then move forward.
(28:00):
We were talking about this a little bit yesterday. There
are teams out there that are going to be seriously
interested in adding to Derrick Henry and I would imagine
a DeAndre Hopkins as well too. And if you've got
an opportunity and you know this is the direction you're heading,
why wouldn't you make a deal before the deadline on
the thirty first, Like, it just feels like that would
(28:21):
be the smart play here of this.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
They're already dealing. Yeah, they're already dealing. So you know,
I have to wait and see what happens. But it
doesn't I'm with you on this. I don't know. I
don't know that it's time to punt on your season.
If that's indeed what may be going on, You're still
you're still in position to be able to be competitive,
(28:44):
if not win your division. Yeah, so I mean are
you looking at I mean, but with that being said,
do you want to win it with a guy that
you're going to plan on moving into the future with
or do you sit there and you say, well, we
need to see if one of these guys can do it,
or we may get rid of them too. We may
wholesale one of them, we may ship them off.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
It's a tough thing to do in season, And like
in college, I think there's a lot of people who
can sit back and say, well, we're playing for the future.
We're gonna play the young guy and go through our
bumps and bruises this year and hopes of being better
next year. The hard thing in the NFL is none
of those veterans want to hear that those guys are
putting their their livelihood on the line and their and
(29:28):
their reputation the resume on the line every week.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah, like, that's up what I feel.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I got kids at home Playboy, so.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I'm sure Mike Rabin all of them know that.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
And they're just trying to do at this moment because
Ryan Tannehill is out, you know what they can do
to be competitive and put the best team out there.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Like That's That's one thing.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
That as I sit there and look at the record
and say, well the only played one division game, but
two and four, they're not out of it.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Out of it.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
So it's like they're just trying to do whatever they
think is in their best interest to win. And I
don't think there's any thought whatsoever in Mike Rabel's head
that they're trying to just see what the future looks like.
Like he strikes me as the type that he'd love
to be able to use a two quarterback system and
win and prove everyone who doubts that wrong.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Like he's got that kind.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Of mentality about him, you know, where like you don't
think we win, Okay, I'll show you. We're just gonna
beat the crap up out of every team we play.
And if we have to win seventeen fourteen, so be it.
You know, ten to seven, so be it. Like that's
how we'll win this game. You know, he's just got
one of those sorts of mentalities that you have to
appreciate as a player, former player, or a fan of
(30:38):
how he looks at things. But I mean, look, I'm
not going to count them out, and we'll see what
happens before the trade deadline. The reality is it's hard
to move on from a player like Derrick Henry who
has done so much for your organization and you're just
gonna let him go out there for some late round picks.
I mean, I don't know, Yeah, it'd be tough to
(31:00):
it'd be tough to move on from a player like that,
even DeAndre Hopkins for that matter.
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Speaker 8 (32:48):
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Speaker 3 (32:50):
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Speaker 1 (32:53):
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Speaker 8 (32:55):
A number of announcements in the NFL LA.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
And He's back, and he's back.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Number of announcements in and beyond, Hey Brady.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
First coming from Colts owner Jim Mersay, who took to
Twitter to announce that Anthony Richardson had a successful surgery
on his shoulder as ac joint, but also adding more
importantly that the NFL had admitted to him and understands
that they did not make the correct call at the
end of the Colts Browns game last Sunday, Jim adding
that he believes we need to institute instant replay for
all calls including penalties in the last two minutes of
(33:29):
all games. Only controversy here is that it was made.
If it was made, it was made to Jim er
Say and the Colts privately, not public.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I mean, is what is the NFL acknowledging they missed
a blatant call or there was a blatant miss in
that game.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
We've always done that. I don't know what. No, I
don't know what comes of it. Cool.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I don't mind the idea though, like to make everything
reviewable in the final two minutes. Like, I don't have
a problem with that. But this doesn't change the fact
that they got screwed. Just like you know, if the
NFL had made it, Hey, we screwed up the spot
in that Ram Steelers game, Sean McVay will be like, cool,
can I have the win back? Or can I have
that playback? It doesn't doesn't change anything.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
It definitely doesn't. Yeah, but elfully, guys, in case you
miss it.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Late announcement from the UFC apparently John Jones versus Steve A.
Jocic is no longer the UFC two ninety five main
event in Madison Square Garden after John Jones tour his
pectoral in training last night.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I want to read fought. Yeah, did you see the
video too? They showed him it just like he was
wrestling and he just kind of screamed and then he felt, Yeah,
just like ripped off the bone.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Apparently hurt's pretty painful.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, gone eight months.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yep, eight months. He'll need surgery, of course.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
What a bummer. That was a great fight, the greatest
of all time and the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Jones, ver A, steep A, How would you have handicapped?
That would have been the favorite?
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Well?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Me, I would have bet Jones would have been the favorite,
and I think he he was the favorite. I would
have bet on steep A.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Because I just because he's got more experience at that
weight class.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yes, And I also I didn't see enough from John Jones.
He looked a little bit sluggish in that fight that
he won at heavyweight. I didn't see enough from him
to be like, Okay, well he's handling the weight game
in an appropriate manner. I would have bet on steep A,
which means Steve A probably would would have lost. By
the way, Steve A is an Ohio guy. Yeah, yeah,
(35:26):
he's a full time firefighter now. By the way, he
does this part time. Yeah, so it's pretty cool to watch.
What else you got Staying with the UFC in case
you missed it.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
In what is being described as the biggest sponsorship deal
in UFC history, bud Light is now signed on to
become the official beer of UFC, taking place January first.
It is worth an excess of a one hundred million dollars,
replacing Modilla.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
They're back, bud Light's back.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
They're back.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
They're trying to It's funny, like you could spend money
like this and he'll just be like, yep, everyone's gonna
forget about what happened.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I won't look at that anymore.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I wonder how much they had to overspend to make
this happen.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Talk about going in the opposite direction though.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
No, kid like, Hey, what's the most masculine thing we
can get involved with? Cage fighting? Off, let's go with this.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Good.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
What do you think Let's throw darts out of board.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
You got NFL, you got baseball, you got MBA, you
got m m A, you got track and field, powder
puff football, flag football. Let's just throw Let's throw these darts.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
What a pr disaster they've gone through the past year.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
So you're basically admitting you're wrong for what you did.
Is what you're you're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
That's a U turn, That's what that is. You know.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
They also signed Travis Kelcey is one of their big
promoters this year.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Go figure. They signed who Travis Kelcey?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
But light did?
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Yeah's deal with.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
So he's butt light and Pfizer Hu. Well, okay, I
mean it's.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Not wrong with having a drink with a Pfizer shot.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
All right, Like, what would you call that, Lee? What
would they call that at a at a bar? What
would they call it? A COVID bombing?
Speaker 4 (37:15):
That once? If your Travis Kelsey
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Shoovar's back. I tried to last back. I tried to
(01:33):
call you last night.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
You probably all right, I was.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
I had my son. I was given on one of
those those perception versus reality. Even though your perception becomes
your reality, your perception that became reality could be very
far apart from reality. Yes, we had that conversation yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Those are some like grown adult converse.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, and that was why I had to bring in
Like I called you, I called TJ. Who else did
I talk? Jesse Loketta like just so he could hear
you know, like you can't expect yourself you can't look
at yourself as an elite when your preparation and your
habits and your production is an elite. Can't. You can't.
(02:23):
You can't think in your mind, You can't walk around
in your mind like I'm elite. You just can't do it.
So anyway, I was I was testing him, and I
just wanted him to see that I wasn't picking on
him when I asked him, when you played how much
film do you think you watched a day outside of
the facility.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
I mean, well, I'll say this, it was harder when
we were you know, when we were at that age.
I watched a ton at the facility, But I used
to get VHS tapes and watch a ton in my
in my dorm room, like game after game after game.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
So yeah, I mean it was still a lot.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I used to fall asleep with the cassette or DVD
you know in my hand, the remote in my hand.
That's how much film I used to watch. I got
fall asleep, I said. I basically said, you you can
look at guys that make things look easy, and you
can see the end product. But the one thing that
(03:22):
you can never do is think that you're the end product.
And not really put in the work, in the time
and the sacrifice to make it look easy the way
that guys make it it look easy. I said, you
look at your dad and you're like, oh, oh, he
does this, that and the other like, look at the
way he did that. It's like, man, I studied that
guy at nauseum at nauseum and knew if I did
(03:46):
certain things. I said, when you're playing chess, when you
get pretty good at chess, you start to realize that
you're making moves off of strategy, but you're also making
moves off of anticipation. If I make a move and
you move two or three pieces that I want you
to move that I want you to put your hand on.
I know your move pattern, so I can almost predict
(04:06):
what I need to do. Once I know that you're
moving the pieces, I want you to move right. I said,
you got to study your opponent and you got to
study yourself so well that when you have those moments
you make big plays. Production. You gotta have good habits,
you gotta have production, you gotta have preparation. So we
had that talk last night. I was like, who better
(04:27):
to call? I called? I actually called you first.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It was it was around midnight, which usually.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Was it around midnight? It might have been Yeah, I
just looked, Yeah, it might have been. Uh, it wasn't
appropriate for you at that moment in time, that's all.
It was just more of a more appropriate conversation for
Q this one time. You know, if I got to
talk about oxico and diets and stuff like that, you know,
(04:52):
I'm gonna hit you up.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
JA. How are you feeling them? You feel better?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I'm definitely back. I should I went to my specialist
to begin with. Like, he's right there, he's ten minutes away.
I should have went. I thought I could. I thought
I could just knock it out with some leave and
some ice and some stem y'all saw me stemming. Y'all
saw me ice, and like I thought, I could just
knock it out and it would go away. But it
was pretty This last one was pretty intense. So thanks
(05:19):
for asking. Thanks for everybody out there. I got a
lot of well wishes. I appreciate it. I'm not dying,
not that I know of, even though we're all dying.
But in the end, yeah, if I'm walking, I'm not.
I'm not on crutches anymore. I'm not on I bought
a scooter in Columbus.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I don't have the scooter, so I'm good. I'm back.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Well you bought a scooter in Columbus. Oh yeah I did,
like you've read it or bought one. No, I bought
it like you know, like put your knee on it scooter.
Oh yeah, yeah, not like a driving scooter or a
stand on it, like like you know type scooter, but
like the knee scooter.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Yeah. I was on a knee scooter. Yeah, got me through.
My adrenaline had me walking. I mean, y'all saw me
on set. I was standing on set with with nothing.
You know, I walked pretty normal because I just didn't
want to not look like I was walking normal.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Well, I mean you also might have been like filming
the other sideline or something like that.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
You know, you know, when you when you really want
to have better results than the results that you're possibly
going to have, you just want to or and sure
that you're going to continue to get the results that
you want, you know, you still signs. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I mean, because you know, there's some people that are
not happy with the assumption that you know, it's commonplace
that you know, Michigan, what they're doing with this sign
stealing situation and a guy going to games and filming
the sideline. They don't want, they don't want to deal
with the reality that this might actually happen in other places,
that Michigan didn't have the genius idea of having somebody
(06:49):
buying tickets really and sitting, uh, sitting in the crowd
and looking at Yeah, there's a lot of little bit
of blowback yesterday following the conversation and the one that
we had on Friday while in Columbus, is you mentioned
and so who better to discuss this than somebody who
has been the most talked about program and the most
talked about coach in college football all season long, Deon Sanders. So,
(07:11):
Deon Sanders weighed in on the Michigan sign stealing controversy.
Here was his take.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Everyone's trying to get edge. I mean everyone's trying to
get whatever edge they can. You could have someone's whole
game plan, they can mail it to you. You still got
to stop it. You still got to stop it. So
in football is not as pronounced as baseball. If I
know a curveball is coming, I'm I'm I got you.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
You know wood football, I don't give it, Durnym.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
You know a sweep is coming, you still got to
stop it physically.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
It's a physical game. You got to stop it. So
that that's a little tough.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
I don't buy into a lot of this stuff that
someone's stealing it still in that, I don't. I don't
buy into a lot of that.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Still got to play the game.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
So that was deon Sanders. You do still have to
play the game, but there is something to know. What's
I'm in your way.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Though, So I'm sure you guys saw this if you've
been following the story and I it just it made
me laugh. So did you guys see the clip that
was going around social media? It was Ohio State on
Offense CJ stroads last year the Ohio State Michigan game,
and it was a clip of basically Ohio State looking
(08:22):
back to their sideline and then it shows Connor Stallion's
the gentleman at Michigan. He's been accused of all of
this on Michigan sideline and he's pointing up giving a
signal real quick, you know, looking across the field after
he sees Ohio State signal. And the funny thing is
is like everyone's oh cee cee, like look at which
(08:42):
I'm like, well, that's that's actually legal. Like what he's
doing is a hundred percent legal. Happens on every field,
every team across the country.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
The irony to it, though, is the result of the
play of that particular play was a touchdown pass for
Ohio State a Mecca a BUCA. So it's like we're
making such a big deal about whatever was taking place
or happening in Michigan.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Even though it goes on everywhere else.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Maybe they're not as slick as everyone to hide it,
or maybe it's they're doing more advanced scouting in regards
to other teams that they're they're watching and stealing signs
for and all that. Yet we're finally getting someone who
is probably the best in Deon Sanders to talk about
because he played baseball, he played football, he can kind
(09:32):
of tell you, like what kind of impact does this have,
and he's like, yeah, it's you still gonna go out
and stop the play.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
This is a prime example of that. Like you're looking
at this clip and everyone's like, oh, look what they did.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Look at this and it's like, you know, Ohio State
throw a touchdown pass the next play.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
So whatever Michigan's doing, clearly they're not.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Doing it effectively.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, stopped working like now.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Obviously, the result of the game was Ohio State losing
to Michigan, which a lot of people will point you
at much signs stealing.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
About you, man, When I go back and watch the tape,
I mean, the Michigan is running between the tackles.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Hos State had an extra guy in the box. They
just weren't making plays.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Like when you go back and look at the last
two years of High State Michigan, I don't think it's
a sign stealing problem, you know. I don't look at
Michigan's success and go, yeah, that's because they're stealing signs.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
They're just they're a good football team.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
They've been building towards this for a while, and I
think it almost diminishes what those players have done because
we've now gotten to the point where we want to
try to find a reason for like their success over
the past couple of years, and you're taking away.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
From what they're actually doing on the field. So again,
this goes on all over college football.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
They could fix it rather quickly, and there's a reason
when you talk to other people who are insiders in
college football, and they go to these afcas.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And they talk to coaches.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
There's a reason why they don't push for it because
there's a lot of coaches who are really good at this,
and there's a lot of coaches who make their name
off of this and how they go about calling games
offensively and defensively. So if you take it away and
you go back to coach the quarterback, it doesn't give
them that same advantage that they've had, so that a
lot of them aren't pushing so hard to get this
change to college football. So I still think the whole
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conversation around this is being a little bit overblown. I
understand if they're doing something that was illegal that was
a rule put in back in the nineties, fine, but
we're in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
We probably need to go to a system similar to
the NFL.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Anyway, and maybe this is the actually way of pushing
it forward and pushing the game forward in that respect.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
I just still feel like there's some type of agenda
against Harball. I don't know what direction it's coming from.
I don't know if it's the university. I don't know
if it's the Big Ten. I don't know if it's
anything else someone else. Is it Anonymous? You know Anonymous
has been known to get people on social media, you
know what I mean, Like Anonymous has made fools of
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people before. I just don't know where it's coming from.
But I feel there is no coincidence that it's Michigan,
and it's like always seems to be Michigan lately as
of late, and I just don't I think that whatever
it is, if something else were to come up out
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of this, like if there was something more that comes
to Michigan's way, I just think it's one hundred percent.
You know, it's horrible.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
When Jimbo Fisher got upset because Nick Saban called him
out last year and made some comments about buying his
athletes or buying his players. I think part of what
was so upsetting to Jimbo Fisher is because he knew
he probably had some stuff on Nick Saban in Alabama
and he couldn't believe that another coach would call him
out for doing something that other coaches are doing. And
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it feels like this is kind of in that scene,
another coach is calling out horrible. Yeah, like they probably
complained and went to and you know, people within Michigan,
because Deon Sanders is saying, look, I don't necessarily buy
into that, because you know, he probably knows in talking
with people, yeah, this is kind of commonplace. But you
just don't rat out somebody else just because you're pissed,
Like I don't get pulled over and then call nine
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to one and say what about that guy? He was
speeding too, Like, yeah, we get it. Everybody's kind of
doing the same thing. You're just the one that got
the blame. And it feels like with Michigan and just
sort of the pushback and everybody coming after him. I'll
bet if you pulled coaches anonymously around the country and said, hey,
how commonplace is this maturity of them would say, wonder
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why I wasn't Toledo?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Why wasn't it Akron?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
It's not true.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Why wasn't Enough? Why wasn't it the University of Delaware?
It's not ru see enough? You know what I'm saying,
like like this just it stinks of something. There's there's
an agenda here, you know, an agenda. I just you
know when you study. We talked about I talked about
talking to my son and study film and putting in
the time. If you put in the time to study film,
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and and I know us as Penn State fans, we
know this, you can you can decipher the DNA of
an offense. There's only so many things alignment can do.
So if you're if you're watching film, you're studying alignment.
There's only so many things alignment can do. And oftentimes
what they do pre snap, how they line up. Like
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if you got a very very good pass rusher that
is quick off the edge, I don't care what you
think that that tackle is not going to be heavy
on their hand. They're going to be sitting back three
point stance right or two point excuse me, two point
stance most likely, or super light hand three point stands
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with their hand down, and they're going to escape. They're
going to retreat to get back. There's certain things that
if you watch the film, like okay, you see the sign,
you still know Okay, this this this person, this split
by this receiver. It shows play action, it shows possible reverse,
it shows a possible jet sweep, it shows a crosser
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or a bootleg. You can get all of that by
watching the film. Regardless. Now, if they put wrinkles in.
They put wrinkles in, and you stay true to your keys.
But to say you're stealing signs, if you're watching film
of teams, you're still going to get an opportunity to
put together a game plan as to what you want
to do. And if you're doing it for the defense,
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well that's stupid because a defense is going to run
generally the same type of stuff. They may start with man.
They might be man heavy or they might be a
zone heavy team, and all you have to do is
watch the film to see where they're aligning and what
they want to take away based off of what the
game plan is like. So instilling signs, I'm not I'm
(15:51):
not certainly sure as to what the distinct. I would
need somebody to educate me on what the distinct. You know,
if advantages that you received by stealing the.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Sign I also think that, and we've talked about this
a little bit yesterday, that you know there were there
have been teams that have suspected Michigan of doing this
and so they switched to risk bands. A lot of
teams this year switched to risk bands, and the result
is they've lost by like thirty five.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
A game and also how's that worked out?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah, that worked out. And I also saw that Ohio
State actually suspected this last year before the game and
they were using majority of their calls on the wristband
and guess what, they still got their ass beats so long.
I just but what are we doing here?
Speaker 5 (16:33):
We're making a big deal about something because of what
LeVar said, it is it's Jim Harbaugh, it's Michigan, and
he's already ticked off the NCAA like the whole investigation
during the recruiting dead period where you know, he wasn't
helpful or cooperative in the investigation. He took some people off,
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and so then there was that, and then he ticked
off the athletic director like there is right now.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
There's not a great relationship.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Between the athletic director in Jim Harbaugh because of how
things were handled last offseason when he was potentially looking
at NFL jobs. So there's a lot of things that
are fishy to me about this. To Levar's point as
far as well, why is it now? Why is it
Michigan If people have known this for years, why is
(17:19):
this coming out right now? Why Why have teams allowed
this to go on I said one because they're probably
doing it. Two and then two because there's something else
at hand here, someone's behind the scenes trying.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
To do something.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Because the other thing is is, if you've got a
guy who's supposedly so renowned for his decoding skills, how
could you be so blatant and how could you be
this poort covering up your tracks if you're doing something
that you know is illegal or trying to do it,
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and and a lot of other people do this, mind you,
it's it all comes off as incredibly fishy, like there's
much more to this that we're really not getting the
full story. Either way, though, I hope it advances the
game to a point where like I've been critical of
this when people ask, hey, why scoring down in the NFL,
and I've said, well, how much time you got?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Because there's a number of things you can point to.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
But my perspective only comes from the quarterback position, and
even though that position looks at things from a higher level,
I still just say, Okay, let's just look from the
quarterback perspective. Nowadays, since junior high, potentially these young men
are not being taught to look at what's in front
of them. They clap their hands, they say their cadence.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
They look to the sidelines.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
It's like in our society, it's what we look at.
We always we're looking to something else to give us
the answer, Like we don't experience life. First, we go
google something and that's like kind of what this is.
We look out at the field and then we look
over the sideline and get the play what we need
to run instead of teaching kids like, hey, they're in
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a four down front or a three down front. This
is what we want to do from a run blocking standpoint.
This is who the middle linebacker is that sets up
the blocking scheme.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
This is what you do, and don't tell me you
can't do it.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Because we had an elaborate playbook when I was in
junior high. We had checked with me as, we had
audibles all that stuff. Like when you start thinking like
young people aren't capable of.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Doing more, that's your problem, not their problem.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
You young people are incredibly capable of learning a lot
and doing a lot, and yet we want to take
the decision making out of the quarterback's hands, out of players'
hands at a young age, and so junior high, high school, college,
now they get there and they just look at the sideline.
They're always looking to someone else to give them the
answer instead of coaching them during the week to when
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they walk out there on the field, they've got the answers.
I still remember when Charlie Weiss got to Notre Dame
and it was a New England Patriots playbook. My senior year,
we went no hud we had a risk band and
all what a heat throwing a play and I'd look
at it and I'd be like, yeah, no, we run
this because we got we got the technique. We went
on this side, we got three man's side. We can
run this inside zone. Run, or we can run this
(20:17):
outside zone. Run over here, we got seven technique. We
can reach out, you know, or hey, we're gonna run
a play. Actually that extra guy in the box, you know,
we're gonna fake right out that guy. We're gonna throw
a little post in behind him, and we could do
whatever we want. It was the coolest thing in the world.
And yet nowadays coaches take that out of quarterbacks and players' hands,
and so to me, hopefully this leads to coaches then
(20:39):
preparing players to then actually go out there and play
the game of football. And understand the game of football,
so they don't need to look to the sideline anymore.
They could just go in there and go out there
and execute, and they can understand coverages and fronts and
everything else.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Because if that happens, then you get these.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Quarterbacks, these young men, when you get the NFL level,
they're much more prepared for what they're at to do
at that level as a professional because they're being treated
like their professional.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
He's at the college level.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
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(22:14):
Shout out to the Tennessee Titans and our friends listening
on the zone in Nashville. I want to give a
shout out to what is happening there in Tennessee. Yeah, listen,
it's just tremendous what they've done because they've actually saved
the day. They're considering a two quarterback system. Coming up
this Sunday, Malik Willis and Will Levis with Ryan Tannehill
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banged up and to me, that made that game against
Atlanta actually watchable now. So now it actually makes it
a little bit more interesting. So congratulations with the Tennessee
Titans for making this happen. Oh and by the way,
there are some rumblings out there that following the trade
of Kevin Byerd that you're also seeing, you know, DeAndre
(22:58):
Hopkins and Derek Kent, we could also be on the
block as well too. So it feels like we're going
to go ahead and wrap things up here on this
era of Tennessee Titans filter the hop.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Just got there though, Yeah, you know that'd be I mean.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
I guess if you if you're getting traded to a contender,
which you'd assume, I mean, Bayer just got traded to
a contender, right like my Phil is gonna be trying
to play for a Super Bowl. If you're Hopkins and
Dereck Henry, I'm not sure you could be upset about it.
But you know, some of those guys like obviously Hopkins
just got there, so clearly he chose to to want
to be there, and then Derrick Henry, that's all he knows.
(23:32):
It's it's tough when you then get traded somewhere else
and it's the middle of the season, you're trying to
go in there and you know, learn the system and
and you know develop you know, a rapport with all
the guys you're playing with.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
That's not easy to do.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
But again, if it's if it's your future, it's if
it's for a Super Bowl. I think a lot of
players are obviously willing to do that. But it's just
it's not an easy thing to deal with from a
personal standpoint.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
I mean, maybe it works. What the two quarterback system, Yeah,
maybe it'll work. You know, you got will Levis who
has you know, the Brady Quinn body and can chuck it.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
We're still doing this.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
You got Malik Willis who can chuck it. Chuck it
at least the last we saw Brady Quinn body.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Just break it down. What are we talking about here?
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Well, ripped up from the toes up, even the toenails,
got muscles, man, would you say? Ripped up like a
bad report card? Like horrible report card? Like yep, not
taking that home, it's too ripped up. Yeah, you know
I have to get another one.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, Like you could iron clothes on his abs is
what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Well, you wouldn't want to iron the clothes on his abs,
but you certainly could wash the clothes on.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
The sake of our listeners to to get off this
conversation is two and four at this point in time
in the season, they're owen one of the division.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
By the way, it's not like they've played a ton
of divisional games.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Yeah, no, they're not like that.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Not far out of it.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
They're not far out of it. They're not far out
of it. There are a lot of teams that are
ourselves like.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
This is a decision you make though when you're looking
towards next year, right.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Yeah, or just looking at the fact that I mean,
you've heard rumors come up that they're willing to trade
try Derrick Henry now and and and they may move
on from him. So maybe it is a start of
a rebuild. And I know this. They haven't given him
at his highest peak moments of what he's been able
to do and performance for the Titans. They haven't really
(25:37):
given him any more support they had. I mean, you
don't you didn't help by getting rid of aj Brown,
So I mean it doesn't look and I know you
add d Hot, but I don't know that that moves
the needle like you needed the needle to be moved.
I think he's a fine receiver and I respect his
game for certain, but I think you still need a
(26:00):
someone who could be more of a threat. I think
we are seeing now that the NFL is truly a
speed driven, you know, quick moving type of league now,
so you know, Tennessee just doesn't look like they're built
to be able to do that right now. And so
(26:21):
I think them doing what they're doing right now with
this dual quarterback system, I mean, it could very easily
be them trying to interview who it is that they
are going to keep. This could be an open quarterbacks
competition that's playing out in Tennessee to see, you know,
what direction do we we think about going. These are
(26:42):
two draft pick quarterbacks that you have Little Levis versus Willis. Yeah,
but you've already yeah. I mean, it may seem like
it's evident, you know, they just traded the safety their wholesale.
It may seem like they're kind of whole selling, you know,
or they're just, like like you said, preparing for the future.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Well, I mean, let's and if you just go through
their schedule. They lost the opener against New Orleans that
was a close game, and then they beat the Chargers
in overtime, then they got ripped in half at Cleveland,
and then yeah, but I mean, you know they It's
not like like if that game against Baltimore in London,
you know, if Malik Willis just makes a couple of
(27:19):
different decisions late in that game, we could be having
a completely different conversation, because it was there for the taking,
or at least to make it exciting at the end.
And it said they ended up settling for a field goal,
and they showed Rabel on the sideline after Malik Will's
got sacked for like the thirtieth time in a row
on that final drive inside the red zone, and Rabel
(27:39):
was just kind of like, good God, what are we
doing here. Let's just kick the field goal and let's
just try and figure this out another way. And I
wonder if going into the bye week they had some
conversations there and just said what are we and Rabel
just said, not any good. So let's just let's see
we got in these two guys and then move forward.
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We were talking about this a little bit yesterday. There
are teams out there that are going to be seriously
interested in adding to Derrick Henry and I would imagine
a DeAndre Hopkins as well too. And if you've got
an opportunity and you know this is the direction you're heading,
why wouldn't you make a deal before the deadline on
the thirty first, Like, it just feels like that would
(28:21):
be the smart play here of this.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
They're already dealing. Yeah, they're already dealing. So you know,
I have to wait and see what happens. But it
doesn't I'm with you on this. I don't know. I
don't know that it's time to punt on your season.
If that's indeed what may be going on, You're still
you're still in position to be able to be competitive,
(28:44):
if not win your division. Yeah, so I mean are
you looking at I mean, but with that being said,
do you want to win it with a guy that
you're going to plan on moving into the future with
or do you sit there and you say, well, we
need to see if one of these guys can do it,
or we may get rid of them too. We may
wholesale one of them, we may ship them off.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
It's a tough thing to do in season, And like
in college, I think there's a lot of people who
can sit back and say, well, we're playing for the future.
We're gonna play the young guy and go through our
bumps and bruises this year and hopes of being better
next year. The hard thing in the NFL is none
of those veterans want to hear that those guys are
putting their their livelihood on the line and their and
(29:28):
their reputation the resume on the line every week.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah, like, that's up what I feel.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I got kids at home Playboy, so.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I'm sure Mike Rabin all of them know that.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
And they're just trying to do at this moment because
Ryan Tannehill is out, you know what they can do
to be competitive and put the best team out there.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Like That's That's one thing.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
That as I sit there and look at the record
and say, well the only played one division game, but
two and four, they're not out of it.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Out of it.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
So it's like they're just trying to do whatever they
think is in their best interest to win. And I
don't think there's any thought whatsoever in Mike Rabel's head
that they're trying to just see what the future looks like.
Like he strikes me as the type that he'd love
to be able to use a two quarterback system and
win and prove everyone who doubts that wrong.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Like he's got that kind.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Of mentality about him, you know, where like you don't
think we win, Okay, I'll show you. We're just gonna
beat the crap up out of every team we play.
And if we have to win seventeen fourteen, so be it.
You know, ten to seven, so be it. Like that's
how we'll win this game. You know, he's just got
one of those sorts of mentalities that you have to
appreciate as a player, former player, or a fan of
(30:38):
how he looks at things. But I mean, look, I'm
not going to count them out, and we'll see what
happens before the trade deadline. The reality is it's hard
to move on from a player like Derrick Henry who
has done so much for your organization and you're just
gonna let him go out there for some late round picks.
I mean, I don't know, Yeah, it'd be tough to
(31:00):
it'd be tough to move on from a player like that,
even DeAndre Hopkins for that matter.
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Speaker 8 (32:48):
Good morning everybody, Morning Jonas, Morning.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
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Speaker 1 (32:53):
Good morning guys.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
A number of announcements in the NFL LA.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
And He's back, and he's back.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Number of announcements in and beyond, Hey Brady.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
First coming from Colts owner Jim Mersay, who took to
Twitter to announce that Anthony Richardson had a successful surgery
on his shoulder as ac joint, but also adding more
importantly that the NFL had admitted to him and understands
that they did not make the correct call at the
end of the Colts Browns game last Sunday, Jim adding
that he believes we need to institute instant replay for
all calls including penalties in the last two minutes of
(33:29):
all games. Only controversy here is that it was made.
If it was made, it was made to Jim er
Say and the Colts privately, not public.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I mean, is what is the NFL acknowledging they missed
a blatant call or there was a blatant miss in
that game.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
We've always done that. I don't know what. No, I
don't know what comes of it. Cool.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I don't mind the idea though, like to make everything
reviewable in the final two minutes. Like, I don't have
a problem with that. But this doesn't change the fact
that they got screwed. Just like you know, if the
NFL had made it, Hey, we screwed up the spot
in that Ram Steelers game, Sean McVay will be like, cool,
can I have the win back? Or can I have
that playback? It doesn't doesn't change anything.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
It definitely doesn't. Yeah, but elfully, guys, in case you
miss it.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Late announcement from the UFC apparently John Jones versus Steve A.
Jocic is no longer the UFC two ninety five main
event in Madison Square Garden after John Jones tour his
pectoral in training last night.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I want to read fought. Yeah, did you see the
video too? They showed him it just like he was
wrestling and he just kind of screamed and then he felt, Yeah,
just like ripped off the bone.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Apparently hurt's pretty painful.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, gone eight months.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yep, eight months. He'll need surgery, of course.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
What a bummer. That was a great fight, the greatest
of all time and the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Jones, ver A, steep A, How would you have handicapped?
That would have been the favorite?
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Well?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Me, I would have bet Jones would have been the favorite,
and I think he he was the favorite. I would
have bet on steep A.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Because I just because he's got more experience at that
weight class.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yes, And I also I didn't see enough from John Jones.
He looked a little bit sluggish in that fight that
he won at heavyweight. I didn't see enough from him
to be like, Okay, well he's handling the weight game
in an appropriate manner. I would have bet on steep A,
which means Steve A probably would would have lost. By
the way, Steve A is an Ohio guy. Yeah, yeah,
(35:26):
he's a full time firefighter now. By the way, he
does this part time. Yeah, so it's pretty cool to watch.
What else you got Staying with the UFC in case
you missed it.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
In what is being described as the biggest sponsorship deal
in UFC history, bud Light is now signed on to
become the official beer of UFC, taking place January first.
It is worth an excess of a one hundred million dollars,
replacing Modilla.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
They're back, bud Light's back.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
They're back.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
They're trying to It's funny, like you could spend money
like this and he'll just be like, yep, everyone's gonna
forget about what happened.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I won't look at that anymore.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I wonder how much they had to overspend to make
this happen.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Talk about going in the opposite direction though.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
No, kid like, Hey, what's the most masculine thing we
can get involved with? Cage fighting? Off, let's go with this.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Good.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
What do you think Let's throw darts out of board.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
You got NFL, you got baseball, you got MBA, you
got m m A, you got track and field, powder
puff football, flag football. Let's just throw Let's throw these darts.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
What a pr disaster they've gone through the past year.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
So you're basically admitting you're wrong for what you did.
Is what you're you're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
That's a U turn, That's what that is. You know.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
They also signed Travis Kelcey is one of their big
promoters this year.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Go figure. They signed who Travis Kelcey?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
But light did?
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Yeah's deal with.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
So he's butt light and Pfizer Hu. Well, okay, I
mean it's.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Not wrong with having a drink with a Pfizer shot.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
All right, Like, what would you call that, Lee? What
would they call that at a at a bar? What
would they call it? A COVID bombing?
Speaker 4 (37:15):
That once? If your Travis Kelsey
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