November 6, 2023 • 38 mins
Poor officiating rears its ugly head with an intentional grounding on Josh Allen. The Raiders look like they have new life after Josh McDaniels, but is it too early to heap praise? Plus, the daily edition of “You In or Out?”
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up the show talking about the Philadelphia Eagles going to
eight and one, a two game lead in the division
and the number one seed in the NFC with their
win over the Dallas Cowboys. Dallas played well, Dak played well,
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but people are gonna be feasting on that. And then
we also talked about the Cincinnati Bengals and their win
over the Buffalo Bills on Sunday Night Football. The AFC
North a perfect four to zero record this week. Every
team would be in the playoffs in the AFC from
the North if the playoffs started today. And then on
the flip side of that, you got the Buffalo Bills,
who are banged up on defense. It just feels like
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something's a little bit off there. And on top of that,
they can't they don't exactly get a whole lot of
help from the officials last night, most notably in the
first half of the game, there was an intentional grounding
call late in the first half on Josh Allen, so
much so and very confusing in that Chris collins Worth
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and Terry McCauley were arguing about it on the broadcast.
Josh Allen was even asked about it postgame and had
this to say.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
I've never seen that call in my life. That's an
option route gave considered down or go. I wasn't pressured.
They decided to make that call, and you know, unfortunately
didn't allow us to to get points there. I literally
I wouldn't do anything different. You know, I'm expecting him
to run a go. He made the read to stop,
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you know, and that's that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That may Or made.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
So that was Josh Allen talking about the very questionable
call last night in that game.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So it seemed like the most of the discussion was
about the option route portion of it and the intent
of what Josh Allen was looking at doing and what
Gave Davis was doing, and then where the ball landed.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
The thing that if you actually read the rules.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And on how they define intentional grounding, it's a foul
if a passer's facing imminent loss of yardage. There was
no pressure, he was in the pocket, there wasn't a
free runner, he wasn't under duress. That's the first thing
that if I was Chris Collinsworth, I would have pointed
out to Terry McCauley, forget where the ball landed, forget
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about the conversation about the intent of what they were
trying to accomplish in that play. He wasn't under pressure,
there wasn't imminent loss of yardage that he was facing
a while in the pocket. And so this was probably
the most next to rough in the passers and however
we saw that, but next to that the most egregious
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miscall that I saw the entire day. And because based
on what Terry McCauley said and based on how they're
officiating that, and then every single spike to stop a
clock is intentional grounding. If you're gonna use the logic
that Terry McCauley used or the officials used in that game,
every single stop clock spike would be considered that intentional grounding. Now,
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it's specifically under the rules in item three if you
go through the rule book states that stop in the
clock a play under center is permitted to stop the
game legally to save time, So it permits you the
opportunity to do that. But in this case, like it
falls under the same exact logic in which they were
trying to use in that instance. So I sit there
and just say, you know, would it ultimately have matter
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at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I don't know. I would have been nice to.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
See Tyler basket a shot at a field goal and
if he makes it, all right, what they lost by six?
So maybe it's by three, and who knows how the
end of the game, you know, looks. But I just
I can't believe that the NFL continues to escape by
with as poor officiating as it has, with as big
of gambling as it's become in the NFL, and they're
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just they're not going to do anything about it, Like
they're not going to figure out a way of improving
the calls that are made on the field.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It is unbelievable to me.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
That you've got by far the best game, in my opinion,
in the world, and yet we can't make the fixes
that we need to make to get the officiating to
be more consistent. I mean, all you can say right
now is it's inconsistent and it's bad.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
And this was a glaring.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Example in prime time of that, in a call that
should never have been made. The case, like, forget about
the optionality of the route and the throw and the
decision there, just the rule itself the way it's described
doesn't make any sense then, because he was never under pressure.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
They don't care, and they don't care enough to do
anything of significance to try and make the changes necessary
to make it to where this league is better officiated
because they know, no matter what, people are still going
to come back and watch, and they know, no matter what,
conversations like this are interesting after the fact, and we
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could have one every single week over bad officiating in
the NFL, and they don't care enough, Like they look
at it and go, yeah, what are you gonna do? Like,
are you gonna go not watch the NFL? Absolutely not.
It opens them up to people questioning the validity of
some of these games, especially when you bring up the
gambling aspect of it, because people are gonna look around
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and go, wait a second, is this turning into the
NBA when Tim Donahey was inofficial and butchered some calls
and cost teams games and then you find out after
the fact he had money on it. Like, if you're
the NFL, you hope it doesn't go down that road.
You've already seen players that have gambled on games from
time to time and been.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Popped for it. I just don't.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I think the NFL sees any conversation as good conversation
and as long as they get nah, you know, ninety
ninety five percent of the calls, right, We'll let a couple.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Of these pass.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
You could call a penalty pretty much on every place.
I mean, let's start there. You can call a penalty
on every single play. There's most likely going to be
a hold on every single play. Now, in terms of
looking at some of the fairness of what the calls
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are or the consistency of what some of the calls are,
I mean, the rules are constantly changing. And to me,
I mean when I look at the Josh Allen pass,
I thought it was exactly what he said. He thought
that he was going to be on a go route.
He sat down on it and didn't go. That doesn't
to me, that doesn't equate calling for like you guys
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saying he needed to rescue himself from an imminent sack
or there was pressure there and he was trying to
save himself on the down. I mean it was third down.
I will say I raised this question in the offices
when I was in offices as well, was you know,
is this like how bad is it in terms of
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the feedback on on referees. And I mean it was
kind of stated to me that this is one of
the better years in terms of how the referees are
grading out on calling the games like period. So I
don't I don't know what the evidence is.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Keep this in mind.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
They're grided on the calls they make, not always the
calls they don't.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Make, and that's fair. That's that's fair. I just think
that they're again and my whole point of the whole
conversation even beginning was I feel like there's so many
inconsistencies in big moments of games, like the one game
with Kansas City. I still look at that and I say,
how do you not see that this guy is illegally
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to the face of the offensive lineman. If you miss
one call, you could have called the other one. The
guy took his helmet off that should have been unsportsmanlike.
It just there's so many things that are being missed
that I think the moments in time that they're being missed,
like for for it to happen with you know, with
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the game being in the bounds. I was going in
the halftime. It was a second quarter call on on
Josh Allen. It wasn't like it was it You're you're
going to lose the game because of that call, were
taking points off? But it was it was probably taking
points off the board. And that's that's where I was
getting to like, if it's if it's having an impact
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on what the score is going to be, then there's
something to that.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
There really is something to that.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I just don't know how you don't understand like the
initial part of the rule. I mean, even the officials
when they announced it, like they could have made it
clear like we thought he was under imminent loss of yardage.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Which he wasn't. He wasn't.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
He wasn't at no point like there was. I think
there was a blitz.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
However it was picked up and so in that instance,
I'm like, well, any blitz, then when a quarterback's in
the pocket and the throw and this happens, you can
make that case.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
And by the way, a small nuance to it.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
So if you look at the covers on the outside
on Gabe Davis, sometimes you'll get like guys playing off
man or like a match zone where it turns into man.
And every once in a while you get dbs who
play off to the point where there it's not like
off coverage, like hey, you're seven or more yards off
of him, you know, it's somewhere in between where you're
like being like four to six yards something like that,
and it looks like it might be cover two the
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way he's kind of playing or you're in that area
as opposed to it being like a cover three, cover four,
or even like an off man. And one of the
things that most offenses do to eliminate any sort of
I guess confusion because at the snap of the ball
right and LaVar you know this, like guys are gonna
bail out they or they might like be off at
seven yards and they might actually come up to bump
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and actually widen him if it's cover two. So in
order to eliminate any sort of potential miscommunication or like
not really sure what's happening with these option routes, we
would have a device where you could look out him
just lock it. You like literally made a little signal
like you're turning a key into a lock and say
lock the route. So whatever that route is, whether it
was like a comeback route, or if it was just
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a go route with an option to stop, we'd be
saying no, no, no, lock it.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
So if you're running to go, you go.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Doesn't matter what coverage it is, if he bails, if
he tries to play a cloud coverage, if he tries
to come up and bump like whatever it is. That way,
I know as a quarterback, I'm gonna try to look
everyone else off and I'll try to come back to
you and throw a ball where it might be back
shoulder if he's up high or if you are able
to get past them, that I can throw you upfield.
But that was always one of the things too, like
in those situations, and it's tough when you're at the
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end of a half two minute drive to be able
to operate like that. But it does alleviate any sort
of like miscommunication or potential of that with some of
those option routes.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
I think what's most interesting on the Josh Allen intentional
grounding was he let the ball go while the guy
was still in his route. He hadn't broke off the route,
So he breaks off the route after the ball has
been released, and clearly if he continues to run, he
might have overthrown him, maybe a little bit, but he might.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Have got to that ball. It's common sense he might
have got to that ball.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
Like, so if I'm throwing that flag, you gotta look
at don't you look at intent as well? Like the
intent means he could have got to that ball if
he kept running he broke his route off. The ball
was in the air when the receiver broke his route off.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
All right, Well, let me give you some numbers by
the way, too, because this is always fun to do.
So if I was going to say the average go
ball right like you got to go route nine round,
We're gonna call it the outside.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
How far downfield.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Do you think it's completed on a go route? It's
probably it's it's twenty thirty plus yards on a.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Goal forty to forty four yards you take five steps,
he hitch throw a ball on a go route forty
to forty four yards on average.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Let's just say forty to two. We'll pick somewhere in
the middle.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Okay, where do you think the wide receiver is on
average when that ball was released?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
How far downfield do you think he is?
Speaker 6 (13:02):
I would say at least fifteen to twenty yards ten
to twelve yards.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, So that's like we used to always do these
studies because a lot of offensive play is timing in rhythm. Right,
you take your three steps, you hitch, you're gonna look
off that middlefield safety.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You got your one one match up.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You're taking a shot or looking off whoever it may be,
because you know when you've.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Got to go right like that, that's where you're going
with the football.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
But more often than not, like that's where when you're
trying to drop the ball in the bucket. You're trying
to throw that ball somewhere outside the numbers, outside the
red line, right at forty two yards downfield, dropping in
the bucket, Like that's what we talk about as quarterbacks.
On average, that's about where it goes. But think about that,
the receiver's only ten twelve yards downfield before you're releasing
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that and they're gonna climb the rest of the way
to get downfield to that football. So oftentimes, like you
could see, it kind of lends you to understanding why
sometimes go balls downfield throws are off because the ball
is released so far are before the receiver even gets there.
But even more than that, like you could see how
there could be miscommunication because a lot of times, like
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the receiver is still trying to make a decision if
he does have an option around that move area of
typically ten to twelve yards. Like as quarterbacks, you talk
about the move area as the area to gain, so
around the sticks. So if it's like third nine, third
and ten, and Lavarn knows this, like DB's are squatting
on that because they think that the wide.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Receiver come out, he's gonna go.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
He's gonna break somewhere around the sticks one way or
another in out or make a move, And so quarterbacks
are obviously aware of that, and usual your option routes
are usually breaking somewhere around that, so you kind of
know that, like that's where that decision is going to
roughly be made.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
But that ball's based out.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Of your hand at that point, and so that's more
the timing and rhythm NFL offenses. But it's kind of
crazy when you watch it on film.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
And you break it all down when you talk about
covering that type of yardage the ball being thrown and
they're only ten to fifteen yards off the ball and
then they catch it forty some yards. Then that puts
that puts that receiver under that ball.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
And by the way, how about the fact that the
average is forty to forty four whatever it was, and
I was guessing twenty, so I was just you know,
about twenty yards off.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Pretty impressive now, I was just saying, so like, when
you're down in the red zone and obviously you're putting
air underneath the ball, that's the sort of trajectory that
you want to allow.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
The receiver to get there to it.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
But you're when you're down in the red zone, right,
so you're inside the twenty yard line in those areas
of the field, it's really hard actually from gun at least,
I always felt like it was harder because your footwork
you really don't do much. I mean, you're basically catching
the shotgun staff taking a step and you're putting a
ball to the back of the end zone and it's
gonna be pretty flat. You're not gonna have much of
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an arc to it. And it was always like, I mean,
you can't really miss, right. The more trajectory you have
on the ball, the more room for air you have.
You got to throw a flat ball, and if that
receiver wants to, he can scream to that back pilot
on and get there.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I mean, think about it. Coming out of a track stance.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
You know they're getting they're gonna be able to run
a four four forty and you're down inside the red
zone like that, that guy can get to the back
of the end zone in half that time. If he
wants right flying twenties, you know, like was is the
top end once they get run in a lot of
times those are blow two seconds. If it's their initial
start in their first twenty, that takes a little longer.
So when you're looking at like how you you know
the timing of it.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Man.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It's that's why when you see a guy like Josh
Dobbs and how he played when he just got there
with the team and he can execute in the red zone,
you're wowed by it because you understand everything is condensed
and everything has to be made such that much quicker
as far as the decision making, the accuracy of it,
and it's just it's fun to watch when you see
teams that are at that high of a level executing
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at that high.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Of a level.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
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Speaker 6 (17:34):
Funny, why are you laughing in your voice right now?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
What's going on? Just Sam haha? Just play some interesting
music personal file ahoo ah oh wow.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
This is actually Zzy Top not Elvis.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
All right, so wow, the Raiders are back.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
And if you don't believe us, they were smoking victory
cigars in the locker room after their big win over
the Juggernaut, that is, the New York Giants, who were
down a starting quarterback because Daniel Jones reportedly may have
torn his acl in that game yesterday. So Tommy Laruso
or whatever his name is, de Vido LaRusso came in
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did better than he did the previous week, but nonetheless
Aidan O'Connell and the Raiders, in Antonio Pierce's debut as
head coach for.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
The Raiders, get it done there in law Stoit.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Do you think the celebration was like some on wicket
with which of the West is the type?
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Stuff?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Oh? Wow?
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Happy the Josh is gone? I mean, do you think?
Speaker 6 (18:48):
Because I mean the way that locker room looked, it
almost seemed as though there was a relief, more of
a relief that he was gone more than anything else.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Jay Glazer had a report on Fox Before the Before
Channel on Fox.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Fox Today, he had a report yesterday.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Now I start saying it like him, like I'll be
saying like Fox.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And my god, what am I like that?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Because real Fox when I have to host stuff, Now,
I'm like on Fox app the Fox and every time
I say it, I start to like be like, why
am I doing that?
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah? That is fuddy.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Look, we spend more time together than we do with
our own families, so we're gonna end up saying the
same thing.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Like I'll technically true, I don't say what I say
away from.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Here, man.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Yeah, I mean thanks, no worries. Thanks man, It's okay,
there's no that's no shots. I'm just saying I don't
talk like Fox. No, I don't.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
You don't say Fox, no Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
You know what he does?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
I say, say.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Lose?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I do that too. Is that you? Or is that Sam?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Got Sam?
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Oh? I thought that was you?
Speaker 9 (19:58):
Lose?
Speaker 4 (19:59):
That is that's me?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Isn't it that was you? Yeah? Three times?
Speaker 8 (20:03):
Okay lose.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Yeah that sounds like me. Yeah, I don't even say
that all my own thing. Come on, I will say that,
get loose.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Not so much.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
I said, come on, come on, I will do that.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah, I'll do that on my
spare time.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Well, Jay Glazier did have a little bit more detail
on the falling out of Josh McDaniels with the Raiders.
So this was Glazier yesterday on Fox talking about the decision,
what went into it and how things fell apart Towards
the end there.
Speaker 10 (20:41):
Was such a big disconnect with the players there and
Josh McDaniels that players recently be going upstairs to uh
the owner Mark Davis, to tell them what their problems were. However,
the big thing was is last Thursday there was this
big airing of the grievance meeting and players just unloaded
on Josh McDaniels, from captain to captain, to player to player,
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and finally Josh McDaniels actually had Antonio Piers get up
and speak on behalf of him and the coaches. When
Antonio Pierce got up there, he said, look, guys, we
have to have our own culture. It's got to be
about culture here and we also have to look at it.
And he brought up the old Giants team that beat
the Patriots Josh McDaniel's team in the Super Bowl in two.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Thousand and seven season.
Speaker 10 (21:22):
He said, no matter who we played, we thought we
could beat them. We had a game plan that we
could beat them. We had to believe that, and that's
not here. We have to believe it here at the Raiders.
We could beat anybody. Well, he finishes up that speech.
Everybody thinks they're great, except for Josh McDaniels. Josh McDaniels
then goes over to him and says, don't ever talk
about the Patriots like that.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
And then you're really so how divided that building got.
Speaker 10 (21:41):
That got up to Mark Davis, and I think Mark
Davis looked at it and go, Okay, I'm gonna choose
the guy who believes that we can win every single week,
and that's what his plan is going to be. And
by the way, this is not just a throwaway for
Antonio Peers where you know he's just going to coach
out the rest of the season.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
He has a shot to keep this job, I hope.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
So the way they played, I mean, grant, I know,
the Giants lost Daniel Jones and that's it was the
Giants do they struggle this year?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
But man like that that.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Team that's I'm telling you, the defense is playing well.
They've got Adams, they got Jacobs, they got you know, playmakers,
and O'Connell can get Adams the football. He's accurate, he's
a smart kid. You saw him handle the operations yesterday.
And the Giants defense actually been all right this year.
I just I hope they give Antonio Piers a legit shot.
I hope Mark Davis learned from his mistake of not
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going with rich Pasacia and then this time around says,
you know what, I'm not gonna let this one out
the door. If things go the way they went yesterday
the rest of the season, this team climbs back into
the hunt. You gotta give Antonio Peers some serious consideration
or look at him as the guy to potentially get
the job. So look, it's a it's a people person business.
You know, we act like football is all scheme. It's
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still finding ways of motivating players to play well for
each other and for you as a coach.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
He's got one win down, He's got the Jets up next.
That'll be a tough game, but it's a winnable game
because they can get it done on the defensive side
of the ball against the Jets offense, so they can
get they can get two wins under their belt. Like
I said, I believe it's four to five wins. Four
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to five wins for fr Antonio Pierce, I would assume
locks him in for being a serious, serious consideration or
decision to be the head coach moving forward. I can't
see how you take a coach that can go under
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the circumstances of what they're they're under right now and
get a team to turn it around to the effect
of being able to win four to five games if
you're not really really good at leading men, I.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Mean smoking cigars after beating the Giants. Though the Giants again,
I don't think that. I don't think that it's about
beating the Giants. Yes, it was about the win, but
I think it was more so about how they felt.
I mean, if you're listening to what Jay and Jay
Glazer built his career off of all of the information
that you know, who gave him, right the New York Giants.
(24:19):
That's why his best friend is Mike straight hand, Like
Jay Glazer has always gotten a he got his his
career really really lifted up and off the ground by
getting information in New York City and ap was a
part of that New York culture, right. So you're you're
talking about he's going to have support from certain people
and they're going to get real accurate like Jay's going
(24:42):
to have accurate information on this topic. Jshra Daniels getting
getting frustrated with him bringing up the Patriots.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
I know AP Man, and I know if he said that,
the AP AP was looking at him like, we beat
your ass in the Super Bowl, and I'll beat your
ass right here right now. Real talk like man, the man,
like put all this other stuff aside, like, don't ever
talk to me about not don't bring up the Patriots. Well,
I was the captain of that team that beat your team.
I'm on your coaching staff. You want me, you're gonna
(25:11):
call me up here to talk, I'm gonna talk, and
I'm gonna tell you what I'm feeling. Don't don't get
all soft and moist when when everything that is it
doesn't necessarily fit what you would would like for me
to say.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Right Well, yeah, Another thing is like you asked them
to stand up and speak on your behalf.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Once you pass the mic.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
It's over.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Give up ball control, Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Like whatever someone's gonna say if you're annoying them is
speaking on your behalf you've co signed on to.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
You can't be upset about that. But I mean, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I look at it and think this team has the
chance and has the ability to win a string of games.
Now I know that's that's putting a lot on a
rookie quarterback and Aidan O'Connell, and you're expecting a lot.
But I mean, look, they played the Chats. That's a
tough one. They get them at home though, like I
still think, and then, by the way, on the short week,
(26:01):
Jets played to Night.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Then after that it gets tough.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
You got to go to Miami and you've got to
play Kansas City, but then you got to buy before Minnesota,
and then you got the Chargers, Kansas City, Indianapolis, Denver.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I mean, they've got more wins on.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
This schedule, Like if they play the way they're capable of,
the defense keeps playing well, they feed Jacobs, they get
the ball to Adams and Myers, and like it wasn't
even like that game was perfect and they won in
a dominant fashion. So they've got a shot they really
do of I think winning enough to keep Antonio Pierce
in a position and where he'll be the head coach
next season.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Look ahead to that Jets Raiders matchup, which I'm sure
Josh McDaniels will not be watching. That's prime time too,
by the way, right Sunday night, Yeah, Jets minus two
and a half. That's the line we got right now
in that game.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
So all Jets minus two and a half, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
God give me the two points in the Raiders right now.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
So I think the Raiders is going to be a
different team, like Cinderella man out this bad boy.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I feel like they're gonna look like they're all gonna
look like Max Crosby's look the entire year motive that
two plays with his hair on fire.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Motivated every single snap.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I'm watching him like damn, like he just he's flying around,
like even.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Hitting dudes after the line of scrimmage. I'm like, he's
bringing bad intentions.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Did you see the postgame speech that that Ap was
giving and like how everybody was like looking at AP's
eyes and then you saw DeVante Adams in the background
like looking at him and shaking his head and stuff
like that. Like, bro, that's why that do got the
head coaching jobs.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
It was the Giants there. It doesn't matter they're a
vomit bucket. First of all, that's that's AP's former team
for one. So there was a lot of connection decisions there.
That's an outside opinion of the man. You win in
a game in the NFL you want to get us.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
That's how I look at it.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
And under the circumstances, you would have thought that the
Giants would have been able to take advantage of a.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Rookie head coach and a rookie quarterback and a.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Rookie quarterback like you would have thought they would have
been able to take advantge.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I just can't believe about what I'm hearing that you guys,
I mean more less than a year removed from dump
truck nuts, Ryan Daball being the guy, and you guys
are selling him out so you can go join forces
with the Raiders, go have a stogy after beating it.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Till first off, no one's sewing him out.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
But I'll say this, I mean the whole Daniel Jones
extension all that I never really saw it. I've said
that I don't really I think after the season especially,
I mean, you fear for him if he tore his
ACL you know what that means long term and with
the contract. But I felt like sa Quan was the
player they should have focused on extending. And I know
(28:34):
that's not a popular opinion because he's a running back,
but to me, he's a difference maker. And then you
go back, and you look for that quarterback in the draft.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And they just they they thought last year was enough
from Daniel Jones. And it felt like in the.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
League where were watching like what we saw last night
or yesterday with Dak and Jalen and Josh Allen and
and uh you know Joe Burrow and all these other
you know, Patrick mahomes Atoa. You look at last year
with that offense is doing, You're like, this is what
you want to invest into.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I just it didn't it didn't make as much sense
to me.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Man.
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Speaker 7 (31:54):
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Speaker 4 (32:03):
All right, lead to a lot.
Speaker 8 (32:04):
What do we got will, guys? Is November sixth.
Speaker 11 (32:07):
It's less than a week since Halloween, and I'm sure
you've noticed it. We're already being bombarded with advertisements for
Christmas and Black Friday deals.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
Are you guys in or out on that?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
First off, it's Chopper's birthday today. Happy seventy birthday Chopper
before a league got into whoever the hell.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Else is seventy tyrone?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And it's also my aunt Lynn. They both actually share
the b Yeah, a couple of family members in the house.
I'm fully in on anything Christmas related and all that.
I just think it's a great time of year. It
(32:49):
really is, especially the season's change and all that.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
I'm out. I don't like that. I don't like the
Thanksgiving is getting skipped over.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
It's not thanks what they talked about Black Frank you though.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
I mean, don't you guys have the debate, don't don't
Quill and Sam have the eternal warfare of when is
it proper to start playing Christmas music?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
It's the day after Thanksgiving?
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Yes, isn't that a thing that's correct?
Speaker 8 (33:13):
We agree on that though, I think, yeah, I know,
I have no problem with that.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Oh it was somebody up top was saying not to
do it or something.
Speaker 8 (33:21):
Right, Well, well, we start playing some holiday music right
after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Here, right after.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
But what happened?
Speaker 8 (33:26):
We're back in October and I'm hearing like home depot
commercials for like inflatable Christmas stuff, and I'm like, come on,
what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Hold on?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
First off, I saw that stuff before even Halloween.
Speaker 8 (33:36):
Yeah, that's a bit much. That's a bit much. It's
it's too soon, too soon, way too soon.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
The other thing is then you.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Get people who start buying that stuff early and there's
none nothing left by the time you're after Thanksgiving, when the.
Speaker 13 (33:46):
Normal deal there's now app Is that what you guys
are talking about? That you can now Black Black Friday
shot with the app early earlier?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Now, yeah, Lee, doesn't.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
I think you are out of control, Jonas knocks that
might be the most reckless, out of control statement you've
made towards.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Wow, smart shopper. What what else you got?
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Yeah? Yeah, Jonas ruined it.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
We got Mondy Night football tonight, Chargers at Jets. You
guys in a row?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Hell yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (34:30):
Who do you got tonight?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Winning?
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Well, the Chargers half but a half three and a half.
I might you can get it at three at some places,
by the way.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, I think if you want the Chargers you can
go three. But I think if you actually want to
play the other side, the Jets can give maybe keep
this thing close. They can keep it close for certain,
that defense, the ground game, Zach Wilson's been if he
takes care of the football.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
And look, the Chargers are talented, but they have a
knack for finding a way to screw up opportunities and
tough games.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
You mean like going forth on fourth ouns field goals?
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, you know that thing pops up from time to time. Interesting.
Speaker 11 (35:10):
What else we got, Lee, If you're not into Monday
night football, you got MLS Cup playoffs between Salt Lake
and Houston Western Conference.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I'm out there, thanks, Wait what channels it on? You know?
Speaker 8 (35:22):
It's actually you have to have a subscription on app out.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Now.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
The first game is hard no, yeah, dog, yeah, it's
a hard no dog.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
Guys, is National Nacho's Day? First off? What do you
like nachos? What meat do you like on your nachos?
And who do you nachos with?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Who?
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Who do you not spliting? Okay, well this is uh.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
For for me.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
You gotta go steak or ground beef.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Round being what thinks the way to go? Yeah, it's
better with the melted cheese.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
You can't go wrong with chicken sometimes.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
What about what about like ald pork?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Or you can't go wrong with get like either like
a barbacot type of beef or like a like a
shredded like almost like a brisket like ground it up.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yeah, that'll work, that'll work. I don't like shredded meat,
of course you don't. I don't. I just I don't
like stringing me.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
No, you like it like you like that string all
the way together barbecue jonas what?
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Yeah? Come on, my wife Mexican like Barbara all that stuff? Please?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
What does that?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Guys aren't even in my league when it comes to this.
All right, your rookies, let me be the pro.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
I'm married to a Mexican Like that makes it all
better because I.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Know what goes on nachos, and you don't want any
sort of shredded meat to go on a nacho.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
I don't agree.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
I say, that's the only place I do like shredded
meat is nachos.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
But you're with me, right, you don't like shredded meat.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, but he just said that's the only place you
would put that's correct.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Yeah, Well, that's the only place he's wrong.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Is right back in your face, Jonas, and your face like,
man ma, man, I screwed you, guys, man no, no, no,
screw you?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
What else are we down?
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Are we finished?
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Always for you?
Speaker 11 (37:18):
For Well, we're at the beginning of the month, so
I always look up, like, what's the new fast food
items out there? So Chick fil A has got a
spicy chicken biscuit, So basically your spicy chicken sandwich with
sandwich in a biscuit.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Biscuits are overrated. It's tough to get a good biscuit.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
It's it's you make it hard for people to relate
to you.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I'm just saying it's tough to get a good biscuit.
They're dry a lot of times.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
If they had Jonas, I think got second. I think
got second that what do you mean? I hate on
that one, Jonas, but I'm out on you right. He's
just you dog, you know, like anything.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
It's hard no for me to come on Jonas, what happened?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
We are no, not with you. You are You're out.
You are out.
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eight and one, a two game lead in the division
and the number one seed in the NFC with their
win over the Dallas Cowboys. Dallas played well, Dak played well,
(01:26):
but people are gonna be feasting on that. And then
we also talked about the Cincinnati Bengals and their win
over the Buffalo Bills on Sunday Night Football. The AFC
North a perfect four to zero record this week. Every
team would be in the playoffs in the AFC from
the North if the playoffs started today. And then on
the flip side of that, you got the Buffalo Bills,
who are banged up on defense. It just feels like
(01:50):
something's a little bit off there. And on top of that,
they can't they don't exactly get a whole lot of
help from the officials last night, most notably in the
first half of the game, there was an intentional grounding
call late in the first half on Josh Allen, so
much so and very confusing in that Chris collins Worth
(02:12):
and Terry McCauley were arguing about it on the broadcast.
Josh Allen was even asked about it postgame and had
this to say.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
I've never seen that call in my life. That's an
option route gave considered down or go. I wasn't pressured.
They decided to make that call, and you know, unfortunately
didn't allow us to to get points there. I literally
I wouldn't do anything different. You know, I'm expecting him
to run a go. He made the read to stop,
(02:42):
you know, and that's that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That may Or made.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
So that was Josh Allen talking about the very questionable
call last night in that game.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So it seemed like the most of the discussion was
about the option route portion of it and the intent
of what Josh Allen was looking at doing and what
Gave Davis was doing, and then where the ball landed.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
The thing that if you actually read the rules.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And on how they define intentional grounding, it's a foul
if a passer's facing imminent loss of yardage. There was
no pressure, he was in the pocket, there wasn't a
free runner, he wasn't under duress. That's the first thing
that if I was Chris Collinsworth, I would have pointed
out to Terry McCauley, forget where the ball landed, forget
(03:28):
about the conversation about the intent of what they were
trying to accomplish in that play. He wasn't under pressure,
there wasn't imminent loss of yardage that he was facing
a while in the pocket. And so this was probably
the most next to rough in the passers and however
we saw that, but next to that the most egregious
(03:50):
miscall that I saw the entire day. And because based
on what Terry McCauley said and based on how they're
officiating that, and then every single spike to stop a
clock is intentional grounding. If you're gonna use the logic
that Terry McCauley used or the officials used in that game,
every single stop clock spike would be considered that intentional grounding. Now,
(04:14):
it's specifically under the rules in item three if you
go through the rule book states that stop in the
clock a play under center is permitted to stop the
game legally to save time, So it permits you the
opportunity to do that. But in this case, like it
falls under the same exact logic in which they were
trying to use in that instance. So I sit there
and just say, you know, would it ultimately have matter
(04:37):
at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I don't know. I would have been nice to.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
See Tyler basket a shot at a field goal and
if he makes it, all right, what they lost by six?
So maybe it's by three, and who knows how the
end of the game, you know, looks. But I just
I can't believe that the NFL continues to escape by
with as poor officiating as it has, with as big
of gambling as it's become in the NFL, and they're
(05:00):
just they're not going to do anything about it, Like
they're not going to figure out a way of improving
the calls that are made on the field.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It is unbelievable to me.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
That you've got by far the best game, in my opinion,
in the world, and yet we can't make the fixes
that we need to make to get the officiating to
be more consistent. I mean, all you can say right
now is it's inconsistent and it's bad.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
And this was a glaring.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Example in prime time of that, in a call that
should never have been made. The case, like, forget about
the optionality of the route and the throw and the
decision there, just the rule itself the way it's described
doesn't make any sense then, because he was never under pressure.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
They don't care, and they don't care enough to do
anything of significance to try and make the changes necessary
to make it to where this league is better officiated
because they know, no matter what, people are still going
to come back and watch, and they know, no matter what,
conversations like this are interesting after the fact, and we
(06:07):
could have one every single week over bad officiating in
the NFL, and they don't care enough, Like they look
at it and go, yeah, what are you gonna do? Like,
are you gonna go not watch the NFL? Absolutely not.
It opens them up to people questioning the validity of
some of these games, especially when you bring up the
gambling aspect of it, because people are gonna look around
(06:27):
and go, wait a second, is this turning into the
NBA when Tim Donahey was inofficial and butchered some calls
and cost teams games and then you find out after
the fact he had money on it. Like, if you're
the NFL, you hope it doesn't go down that road.
You've already seen players that have gambled on games from
time to time and been.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Popped for it. I just don't.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I think the NFL sees any conversation as good conversation
and as long as they get nah, you know, ninety
ninety five percent of the calls, right, We'll let a couple.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Of these pass.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
You could call a penalty pretty much on every place.
I mean, let's start there. You can call a penalty
on every single play. There's most likely going to be
a hold on every single play. Now, in terms of
looking at some of the fairness of what the calls
(07:16):
are or the consistency of what some of the calls are,
I mean, the rules are constantly changing. And to me,
I mean when I look at the Josh Allen pass,
I thought it was exactly what he said. He thought
that he was going to be on a go route.
He sat down on it and didn't go. That doesn't
to me, that doesn't equate calling for like you guys
(07:40):
saying he needed to rescue himself from an imminent sack
or there was pressure there and he was trying to
save himself on the down. I mean it was third down.
I will say I raised this question in the offices
when I was in offices as well, was you know,
is this like how bad is it in terms of
(08:03):
the feedback on on referees. And I mean it was
kind of stated to me that this is one of
the better years in terms of how the referees are
grading out on calling the games like period. So I
don't I don't know what the evidence is.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Keep this in mind.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
They're grided on the calls they make, not always the
calls they don't.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Make, and that's fair. That's that's fair. I just think
that they're again and my whole point of the whole
conversation even beginning was I feel like there's so many
inconsistencies in big moments of games, like the one game
with Kansas City. I still look at that and I say,
how do you not see that this guy is illegally
(08:50):
to the face of the offensive lineman. If you miss
one call, you could have called the other one. The
guy took his helmet off that should have been unsportsmanlike.
It just there's so many things that are being missed
that I think the moments in time that they're being missed,
like for for it to happen with you know, with
(09:11):
the game being in the bounds. I was going in
the halftime. It was a second quarter call on on
Josh Allen. It wasn't like it was it You're you're
going to lose the game because of that call, were
taking points off? But it was it was probably taking
points off the board. And that's that's where I was
getting to like, if it's if it's having an impact
(09:31):
on what the score is going to be, then there's
something to that.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
There really is something to that.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I just don't know how you don't understand like the
initial part of the rule. I mean, even the officials
when they announced it, like they could have made it
clear like we thought he was under imminent loss of yardage.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Which he wasn't. He wasn't.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
He wasn't at no point like there was. I think
there was a blitz.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
However it was picked up and so in that instance,
I'm like, well, any blitz, then when a quarterback's in
the pocket and the throw and this happens, you can
make that case.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
And by the way, a small nuance to it.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
So if you look at the covers on the outside
on Gabe Davis, sometimes you'll get like guys playing off
man or like a match zone where it turns into man.
And every once in a while you get dbs who
play off to the point where there it's not like
off coverage, like hey, you're seven or more yards off
of him, you know, it's somewhere in between where you're
like being like four to six yards something like that,
and it looks like it might be cover two the
(10:29):
way he's kind of playing or you're in that area
as opposed to it being like a cover three, cover four,
or even like an off man. And one of the
things that most offenses do to eliminate any sort of
I guess confusion because at the snap of the ball
right and LaVar you know this, like guys are gonna
bail out they or they might like be off at
seven yards and they might actually come up to bump
(10:50):
and actually widen him if it's cover two. So in
order to eliminate any sort of potential miscommunication or like
not really sure what's happening with these option routes, we
would have a device where you could look out him
just lock it. You like literally made a little signal
like you're turning a key into a lock and say
lock the route. So whatever that route is, whether it
was like a comeback route, or if it was just
(11:12):
a go route with an option to stop, we'd be
saying no, no, no, lock it.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
So if you're running to go, you go.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Doesn't matter what coverage it is, if he bails, if
he tries to play a cloud coverage, if he tries
to come up and bump like whatever it is. That way,
I know as a quarterback, I'm gonna try to look
everyone else off and I'll try to come back to
you and throw a ball where it might be back
shoulder if he's up high or if you are able
to get past them, that I can throw you upfield.
But that was always one of the things too, like
in those situations, and it's tough when you're at the
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end of a half two minute drive to be able
to operate like that. But it does alleviate any sort
of like miscommunication or potential of that with some of
those option routes.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
I think what's most interesting on the Josh Allen intentional
grounding was he let the ball go while the guy
was still in his route. He hadn't broke off the route,
So he breaks off the route after the ball has
been released, and clearly if he continues to run, he
might have overthrown him, maybe a little bit, but he might.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Have got to that ball. It's common sense he might
have got to that ball.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
Like, so if I'm throwing that flag, you gotta look
at don't you look at intent as well? Like the
intent means he could have got to that ball if
he kept running he broke his route off. The ball
was in the air when the receiver broke his route off.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
All right, Well, let me give you some numbers by
the way, too, because this is always fun to do.
So if I was going to say the average go
ball right like you got to go route nine round,
We're gonna call it the outside.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
How far downfield.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Do you think it's completed on a go route? It's
probably it's it's twenty thirty plus yards on a.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Goal forty to forty four yards you take five steps,
he hitch throw a ball on a go route forty
to forty four yards on average.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Let's just say forty to two. We'll pick somewhere in
the middle.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Okay, where do you think the wide receiver is on
average when that ball was released?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
How far downfield do you think he is?
Speaker 6 (13:02):
I would say at least fifteen to twenty yards ten
to twelve yards.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, So that's like we used to always do these
studies because a lot of offensive play is timing in rhythm. Right,
you take your three steps, you hitch, you're gonna look
off that middlefield safety.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You got your one one match up.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You're taking a shot or looking off whoever it may be,
because you know when you've.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Got to go right like that, that's where you're going
with the football.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
But more often than not, like that's where when you're
trying to drop the ball in the bucket. You're trying
to throw that ball somewhere outside the numbers, outside the
red line, right at forty two yards downfield, dropping in
the bucket, Like that's what we talk about as quarterbacks.
On average, that's about where it goes. But think about that,
the receiver's only ten twelve yards downfield before you're releasing
(13:46):
that and they're gonna climb the rest of the way
to get downfield to that football. So oftentimes, like you
could see, it kind of lends you to understanding why
sometimes go balls downfield throws are off because the ball
is released so far are before the receiver even gets there.
But even more than that, like you could see how
there could be miscommunication because a lot of times, like
(14:07):
the receiver is still trying to make a decision if
he does have an option around that move area of
typically ten to twelve yards. Like as quarterbacks, you talk
about the move area as the area to gain, so
around the sticks. So if it's like third nine, third
and ten, and Lavarn knows this, like DB's are squatting
on that because they think that the wide.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Receiver come out, he's gonna go.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
He's gonna break somewhere around the sticks one way or
another in out or make a move, And so quarterbacks
are obviously aware of that, and usual your option routes
are usually breaking somewhere around that, so you kind of
know that, like that's where that decision is going to
roughly be made.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
But that ball's based out.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Of your hand at that point, and so that's more
the timing and rhythm NFL offenses. But it's kind of
crazy when you watch it on film.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
And you break it all down when you talk about
covering that type of yardage the ball being thrown and
they're only ten to fifteen yards off the ball and
then they catch it forty some yards. Then that puts
that puts that receiver under that ball.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
And by the way, how about the fact that the
average is forty to forty four whatever it was, and
I was guessing twenty, so I was just you know,
about twenty yards off.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Pretty impressive now, I was just saying, so like, when
you're down in the red zone and obviously you're putting
air underneath the ball, that's the sort of trajectory that
you want to allow.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
The receiver to get there to it.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
But you're when you're down in the red zone, right,
so you're inside the twenty yard line in those areas
of the field, it's really hard actually from gun at least,
I always felt like it was harder because your footwork
you really don't do much. I mean, you're basically catching
the shotgun staff taking a step and you're putting a
ball to the back of the end zone and it's
gonna be pretty flat. You're not gonna have much of
(15:47):
an arc to it. And it was always like, I mean,
you can't really miss, right. The more trajectory you have
on the ball, the more room for air you have.
You got to throw a flat ball, and if that
receiver wants to, he can scream to that back pilot
on and get there.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I mean, think about it. Coming out of a track stance.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
You know they're getting they're gonna be able to run
a four four forty and you're down inside the red
zone like that, that guy can get to the back
of the end zone in half that time. If he
wants right flying twenties, you know, like was is the
top end once they get run in a lot of
times those are blow two seconds. If it's their initial
start in their first twenty, that takes a little longer.
So when you're looking at like how you you know
the timing of it.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Man.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It's that's why when you see a guy like Josh
Dobbs and how he played when he just got there
with the team and he can execute in the red zone,
you're wowed by it because you understand everything is condensed
and everything has to be made such that much quicker
as far as the decision making, the accuracy of it,
and it's just it's fun to watch when you see
teams that are at that high of a level executing
(16:44):
at that high.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Of a level.
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Speaker 6 (17:34):
Funny, why are you laughing in your voice right now?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
What's going on? Just Sam haha? Just play some interesting
music personal file ahoo ah oh wow.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
This is actually Zzy Top not Elvis.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
All right, so wow, the Raiders are back.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
And if you don't believe us, they were smoking victory
cigars in the locker room after their big win over
the Juggernaut, that is, the New York Giants, who were
down a starting quarterback because Daniel Jones reportedly may have
torn his acl in that game yesterday. So Tommy Laruso
or whatever his name is, de Vido LaRusso came in
(18:29):
did better than he did the previous week, but nonetheless
Aidan O'Connell and the Raiders, in Antonio Pierce's debut as
head coach for.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
The Raiders, get it done there in law Stoit.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Do you think the celebration was like some on wicket
with which of the West is the type?
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Stuff?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Oh? Wow?
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Happy the Josh is gone? I mean, do you think?
Speaker 6 (18:48):
Because I mean the way that locker room looked, it
almost seemed as though there was a relief, more of
a relief that he was gone more than anything else.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Jay Glazer had a report on Fox Before the Before
Channel on Fox.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Fox Today, he had a report yesterday.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Now I start saying it like him, like I'll be
saying like Fox.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And my god, what am I like that?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Because real Fox when I have to host stuff, Now,
I'm like on Fox app the Fox and every time
I say it, I start to like be like, why
am I doing that?
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah? That is fuddy.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Look, we spend more time together than we do with
our own families, so we're gonna end up saying the
same thing.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Like I'll technically true, I don't say what I say
away from.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Here, man.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Yeah, I mean thanks, no worries. Thanks man, It's okay,
there's no that's no shots. I'm just saying I don't
talk like Fox. No, I don't.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
You don't say Fox, no Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
You know what he does?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
I say, say.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Lose?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I do that too. Is that you? Or is that Sam?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Got Sam?
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Oh? I thought that was you?
Speaker 9 (19:58):
Lose?
Speaker 4 (19:59):
That is that's me?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Isn't it that was you? Yeah? Three times?
Speaker 8 (20:03):
Okay lose.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Yeah that sounds like me. Yeah, I don't even say
that all my own thing. Come on, I will say that,
get loose.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Not so much.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
I said, come on, come on, I will do that.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah, I'll do that on my
spare time.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Well, Jay Glazier did have a little bit more detail
on the falling out of Josh McDaniels with the Raiders.
So this was Glazier yesterday on Fox talking about the decision,
what went into it and how things fell apart Towards
the end there.
Speaker 10 (20:41):
Was such a big disconnect with the players there and
Josh McDaniels that players recently be going upstairs to uh
the owner Mark Davis, to tell them what their problems were. However,
the big thing was is last Thursday there was this
big airing of the grievance meeting and players just unloaded
on Josh McDaniels, from captain to captain, to player to player,
(21:02):
and finally Josh McDaniels actually had Antonio Piers get up
and speak on behalf of him and the coaches. When
Antonio Pierce got up there, he said, look, guys, we
have to have our own culture. It's got to be
about culture here and we also have to look at it.
And he brought up the old Giants team that beat
the Patriots Josh McDaniel's team in the Super Bowl in two.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Thousand and seven season.
Speaker 10 (21:22):
He said, no matter who we played, we thought we
could beat them. We had a game plan that we
could beat them. We had to believe that, and that's
not here. We have to believe it here at the Raiders.
We could beat anybody. Well, he finishes up that speech.
Everybody thinks they're great, except for Josh McDaniels. Josh McDaniels
then goes over to him and says, don't ever talk
about the Patriots like that.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
And then you're really so how divided that building got.
Speaker 10 (21:41):
That got up to Mark Davis, and I think Mark
Davis looked at it and go, Okay, I'm gonna choose
the guy who believes that we can win every single week,
and that's what his plan is going to be. And
by the way, this is not just a throwaway for
Antonio Peers where you know he's just going to coach
out the rest of the season.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
He has a shot to keep this job, I hope.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
So the way they played, I mean, grant, I know,
the Giants lost Daniel Jones and that's it was the
Giants do they struggle this year?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
But man like that that.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Team that's I'm telling you, the defense is playing well.
They've got Adams, they got Jacobs, they got you know, playmakers,
and O'Connell can get Adams the football. He's accurate, he's
a smart kid. You saw him handle the operations yesterday.
And the Giants defense actually been all right this year.
I just I hope they give Antonio Piers a legit shot.
I hope Mark Davis learned from his mistake of not
(22:30):
going with rich Pasacia and then this time around says,
you know what, I'm not gonna let this one out
the door. If things go the way they went yesterday
the rest of the season, this team climbs back into
the hunt. You gotta give Antonio Peers some serious consideration
or look at him as the guy to potentially get
the job. So look, it's a it's a people person business.
You know, we act like football is all scheme. It's
(22:53):
still finding ways of motivating players to play well for
each other and for you as a coach.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
He's got one win down, He's got the Jets up next.
That'll be a tough game, but it's a winnable game
because they can get it done on the defensive side
of the ball against the Jets offense, so they can
get they can get two wins under their belt. Like
I said, I believe it's four to five wins. Four
(23:21):
to five wins for fr Antonio Pierce, I would assume
locks him in for being a serious, serious consideration or
decision to be the head coach moving forward. I can't
see how you take a coach that can go under
(23:44):
the circumstances of what they're they're under right now and
get a team to turn it around to the effect
of being able to win four to five games if
you're not really really good at leading men, I.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Mean smoking cigars after beating the Giants. Though the Giants again,
I don't think that. I don't think that it's about
beating the Giants. Yes, it was about the win, but
I think it was more so about how they felt.
I mean, if you're listening to what Jay and Jay
Glazer built his career off of all of the information
that you know, who gave him, right the New York Giants.
(24:19):
That's why his best friend is Mike straight hand, Like
Jay Glazer has always gotten a he got his his
career really really lifted up and off the ground by
getting information in New York City and ap was a
part of that New York culture, right. So you're you're
talking about he's going to have support from certain people
and they're going to get real accurate like Jay's going
(24:42):
to have accurate information on this topic. Jshra Daniels getting
getting frustrated with him bringing up the Patriots.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
I know AP Man, and I know if he said that,
the AP AP was looking at him like, we beat
your ass in the Super Bowl, and I'll beat your
ass right here right now. Real talk like man, the man,
like put all this other stuff aside, like, don't ever
talk to me about not don't bring up the Patriots. Well,
I was the captain of that team that beat your team.
I'm on your coaching staff. You want me, you're gonna
(25:11):
call me up here to talk, I'm gonna talk, and
I'm gonna tell you what I'm feeling. Don't don't get
all soft and moist when when everything that is it
doesn't necessarily fit what you would would like for me
to say.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Right Well, yeah, Another thing is like you asked them
to stand up and speak on your behalf.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Once you pass the mic.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
It's over.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Give up ball control, Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Like whatever someone's gonna say if you're annoying them is
speaking on your behalf you've co signed on to.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
You can't be upset about that. But I mean, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I look at it and think this team has the
chance and has the ability to win a string of games.
Now I know that's that's putting a lot on a
rookie quarterback and Aidan O'Connell, and you're expecting a lot.
But I mean, look, they played the Chats. That's a
tough one. They get them at home though, like I
still think, and then, by the way, on the short week,
(26:01):
Jets played to Night.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Then after that it gets tough.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
You got to go to Miami and you've got to
play Kansas City, but then you got to buy before Minnesota,
and then you got the Chargers, Kansas City, Indianapolis, Denver.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I mean, they've got more wins on.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
This schedule, Like if they play the way they're capable of,
the defense keeps playing well, they feed Jacobs, they get
the ball to Adams and Myers, and like it wasn't
even like that game was perfect and they won in
a dominant fashion. So they've got a shot they really
do of I think winning enough to keep Antonio Pierce
in a position and where he'll be the head coach
next season.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Look ahead to that Jets Raiders matchup, which I'm sure
Josh McDaniels will not be watching. That's prime time too,
by the way, right Sunday night, Yeah, Jets minus two
and a half. That's the line we got right now
in that game.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
So all Jets minus two and a half, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
God give me the two points in the Raiders right now.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
So I think the Raiders is going to be a
different team, like Cinderella man out this bad boy.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I feel like they're gonna look like they're all gonna
look like Max Crosby's look the entire year motive that
two plays with his hair on fire.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Motivated every single snap.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I'm watching him like damn, like he just he's flying around,
like even.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Hitting dudes after the line of scrimmage. I'm like, he's
bringing bad intentions.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Did you see the postgame speech that that Ap was
giving and like how everybody was like looking at AP's
eyes and then you saw DeVante Adams in the background
like looking at him and shaking his head and stuff
like that. Like, bro, that's why that do got the
head coaching jobs.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
It was the Giants there. It doesn't matter they're a
vomit bucket. First of all, that's that's AP's former team
for one. So there was a lot of connection decisions there.
That's an outside opinion of the man. You win in
a game in the NFL you want to get us.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
That's how I look at it.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
And under the circumstances, you would have thought that the
Giants would have been able to take advantage of a.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Rookie head coach and a rookie quarterback and a.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Rookie quarterback like you would have thought they would have
been able to take advantge.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I just can't believe about what I'm hearing that you guys,
I mean more less than a year removed from dump
truck nuts, Ryan Daball being the guy, and you guys
are selling him out so you can go join forces
with the Raiders, go have a stogy after beating it.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Till first off, no one's sewing him out.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
But I'll say this, I mean the whole Daniel Jones
extension all that I never really saw it. I've said
that I don't really I think after the season especially,
I mean, you fear for him if he tore his
ACL you know what that means long term and with
the contract. But I felt like sa Quan was the
player they should have focused on extending. And I know
(28:34):
that's not a popular opinion because he's a running back,
but to me, he's a difference maker. And then you
go back, and you look for that quarterback in the draft.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And they just they they thought last year was enough
from Daniel Jones. And it felt like in the.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
League where were watching like what we saw last night
or yesterday with Dak and Jalen and Josh Allen and
and uh you know Joe Burrow and all these other
you know, Patrick mahomes Atoa. You look at last year
with that offense is doing, You're like, this is what
you want to invest into.
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I just it didn't it didn't make as much sense
to me.
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Man.
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Speaker 7 (31:54):
We News, two pros and a cup of shoe want
you to know. If they're in, please, if they're out?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
All right, lead to a lot.
Speaker 8 (32:04):
What do we got will, guys? Is November sixth.
Speaker 11 (32:07):
It's less than a week since Halloween, and I'm sure
you've noticed it. We're already being bombarded with advertisements for
Christmas and Black Friday deals.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
Are you guys in or out on that?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
First off, it's Chopper's birthday today. Happy seventy birthday Chopper
before a league got into whoever the hell.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Else is seventy tyrone?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And it's also my aunt Lynn. They both actually share
the b Yeah, a couple of family members in the house.
I'm fully in on anything Christmas related and all that.
I just think it's a great time of year. It
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really is, especially the season's change and all that.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
I'm out. I don't like that. I don't like the
Thanksgiving is getting skipped over.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
It's not thanks what they talked about Black Frank you though.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
I mean, don't you guys have the debate, don't don't
Quill and Sam have the eternal warfare of when is
it proper to start playing Christmas music?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
It's the day after Thanksgiving?
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Yes, isn't that a thing that's correct?
Speaker 8 (33:13):
We agree on that though, I think, yeah, I know,
I have no problem with that.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Oh it was somebody up top was saying not to
do it or something.
Speaker 8 (33:21):
Right, Well, well, we start playing some holiday music right
after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Here, right after.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
But what happened?
Speaker 8 (33:26):
We're back in October and I'm hearing like home depot
commercials for like inflatable Christmas stuff, and I'm like, come on,
what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Hold on?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
First off, I saw that stuff before even Halloween.
Speaker 8 (33:36):
Yeah, that's a bit much. That's a bit much. It's
it's too soon, too soon, way too soon.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
The other thing is then you.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Get people who start buying that stuff early and there's
none nothing left by the time you're after Thanksgiving, when the.
Speaker 13 (33:46):
Normal deal there's now app Is that what you guys
are talking about? That you can now Black Black Friday
shot with the app early earlier?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Now, yeah, Lee, doesn't.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
I think you are out of control, Jonas knocks that
might be the most reckless, out of control statement you've
made towards.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Wow, smart shopper. What what else you got?
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Yeah? Yeah, Jonas ruined it.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
We got Mondy Night football tonight, Chargers at Jets. You
guys in a row?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Hell yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (34:30):
Who do you got tonight?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Winning?
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Well, the Chargers half but a half three and a half.
I might you can get it at three at some places,
by the way.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, I think if you want the Chargers you can
go three. But I think if you actually want to
play the other side, the Jets can give maybe keep
this thing close. They can keep it close for certain,
that defense, the ground game, Zach Wilson's been if he
takes care of the football.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
And look, the Chargers are talented, but they have a
knack for finding a way to screw up opportunities and
tough games.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
You mean like going forth on fourth ouns field goals?
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, you know that thing pops up from time to time. Interesting.
Speaker 11 (35:10):
What else we got, Lee, If you're not into Monday
night football, you got MLS Cup playoffs between Salt Lake
and Houston Western Conference.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I'm out there, thanks, Wait what channels it on? You know?
Speaker 8 (35:22):
It's actually you have to have a subscription on app out.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Now.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
The first game is hard no, yeah, dog, yeah, it's
a hard no dog.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
Guys, is National Nacho's Day? First off? What do you
like nachos? What meat do you like on your nachos?
And who do you nachos with?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Who?
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Who do you not spliting? Okay, well this is uh.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
For for me.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
You gotta go steak or ground beef.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Round being what thinks the way to go? Yeah, it's
better with the melted cheese.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
You can't go wrong with chicken sometimes.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
What about what about like ald pork?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Or you can't go wrong with get like either like
a barbacot type of beef or like a like a
shredded like almost like a brisket like ground it up.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yeah, that'll work, that'll work. I don't like shredded meat,
of course you don't. I don't. I just I don't
like stringing me.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
No, you like it like you like that string all
the way together barbecue jonas what?
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Yeah? Come on, my wife Mexican like Barbara all that stuff? Please?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
What does that?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Guys aren't even in my league when it comes to this.
All right, your rookies, let me be the pro.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
I'm married to a Mexican Like that makes it all
better because I.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Know what goes on nachos, and you don't want any
sort of shredded meat to go on a nacho.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
I don't agree.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
I say, that's the only place I do like shredded
meat is nachos.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
But you're with me, right, you don't like shredded meat.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, but he just said that's the only place you
would put that's correct.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Yeah, Well, that's the only place he's wrong.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Is right back in your face, Jonas, and your face like,
man ma, man, I screwed you, guys, man no, no, no,
screw you?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
What else are we down?
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Are we finished?
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Always for you?
Speaker 11 (37:18):
For Well, we're at the beginning of the month, so
I always look up, like, what's the new fast food
items out there? So Chick fil A has got a
spicy chicken biscuit, So basically your spicy chicken sandwich with
sandwich in a biscuit.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Biscuits are overrated. It's tough to get a good biscuit.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
It's it's you make it hard for people to relate
to you.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I'm just saying it's tough to get a good biscuit.
They're dry a lot of times.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
If they had Jonas, I think got second. I think
got second that what do you mean? I hate on
that one, Jonas, but I'm out on you right. He's
just you dog, you know, like anything.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
It's hard no for me to come on Jonas, what happened?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
We are no, not with you. You are You're out.
You are out.
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