April 25, 2024 • 39 mins
Reggie Bush gets his Heisman back but was that the right decision? NFL Reporter Albert Breer joins the guys to preview the NFL Draft. Plus, another edition of “You In or Out?
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tonight in Detroit, which is interesting because Detroit, you could argue,
is also where Reggie Bush had his best season of
his career in the NFL with the Lions. Played there
a couple of years and was pretty good for Detroit
back then. And Reggie Bush is in the news now
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because he's getting his Heisman trophy back after fourteen years.
As it was announced yesterday. The Heisman Trust cited fundamental
changes and college athletics in their decision. And I got
to be honest with you, I didn't know that this
was that important of a thing that we had to
have people pound the table for Reggie Bush to get
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his Heisman back. Because it ain't like he was just
innocent and was accused of a bunch of stuff that
didn't happen. It happened. It's just the rules of change.
But apparently Reggie Bush needed to get his Heisman back,
and that was the outcry on social media from a
lot of people, including Johnny Manziel. I just didn't know
it was that important, don't He's.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Not wrong, I mean it's not like, but yeah, this
doesn't negate him for whatever happened back then.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It's just here's the reality of the award.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
They shouldn't take into consideration anything other than what's happening
on the field.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
That's that's always been my stance on these awards.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
This is not a good Samaritan award, and not saying
that Reggie is not a good Samaritan.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
He is.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I've worked with him, played against him. He's deserving of
this award. It never should have been taken away from him,
because the award never should be anything more than who's
the best player in college football.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
The reality is college football is.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You can't write the story of college football without including
Reggie Bush like he was that special of a player.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
He was.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I'll say it, as far as my lifetime playing against
and since then watching players, he was the best college football.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I've never seen anyone who at that position in my
time playing and playing against him and afterwards be able
to impact the game the way he could, and so
he was deserving of it. He probably would have won
two if he went to Notre Dame. I'll just I've
told him that a number of times, because I think
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he would have played earlier on in his career and
gotten the ball more, and people would have seen what
he was capable of even earlier in his career, and
not just the five season and really even some D
four season, So very deserving that he won the award,
and then.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
He's finally gotten it back.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
You know, I'd make the case it's the criteria of
the Heisman Trust that has led us to this point.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Like a lot of people look back on.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
The NCAA and so, what's the NCAA that, Well, the
Heisman Trust is the one that made the de decision.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
This isn't the NCAAA.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's the Heisman Trust that then changed their tune as
to saying, well, the changing landscape. By the way, this
has happened for years, Like and I always been a
part of college football for years, So why now, Like
what makes this quick change of judgment as to awarding
Reggie Bush the Heisman Trophy?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Now? And you know, is there a pending lawsuit?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
You know, was there something that was coming up maybe
that led to this, you know who ultimately knows. But
I'm happy to see him get it back because working
with him, I know how much it meant to him,
and I know how much it hurt.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Him when when it was taken away.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
We had talked a lot about his legacy and what
it meant to him in that regard, and so again,
it doesn't absolve him of what he was doing back
then or what had taken place back then, but that
doesn't mean that he ever should have been taken away
in the first place.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
In my opinion, some what the award really represents.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I feel like there are complications to it because he
wasn't It's like people were acting on behalf of what
in all of this that took place. They were acting
on behalf of the school, like everything that was taking
place was to benefit USC. So to me, when I
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look at this, this is something that should have fallen
on the feet of who was monitoring, measuring what was
taking place with the school, because everybody out here has
something that would probably fall below the lines of it's legal.
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Like there's something out there on every school, everyone, every
single one. There's not one school that probably isn't culpable
in some way, shape or form someone who's related to
the program that's working to make their program the best
program in the country. So to me, when I looked
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at why his his heisman was taken from them. Okay,
the rules are the rules. Take his heisman, but take
the victories away. Return all the money back to all
of the ticket holders that went to those games. Return
the TV money back to the advertisers who advertised for
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those games. Like, just my whole thing is, don't stop
with one thing, don't pinpoint one thing, because it's too
complex to say Reggie Bush was the problem. So take
Reggie Bush's take his heisman from him in the scenario
that played out, I just feel as though he.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Was, but he wasn't the only one who suffered that, right,
Like you could actually make the case that you know,
outside of the heisman being taken away, which which again
was the heisman trust decision, and it was their trust,
their decision to give it back.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It's the NCAA that ended up then punishing USC after
Pete Carroll left, after you know, Reggie had left. Where
those future players are the ones that really suffered and
with the lack of scholarships and everything else that came
along with it, which I mean, look, and that's that's
one of the issues with the nca in any sort
of punishment that they delve out it's always retroactive, and
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so it hurts the future generations even though they had
nothing to do with it. But what you're touching on is, look,
was their institutional instability, Yes, and that's what really went rampant,
And as far as you know what was going on,
you know, it could have been more than one. And
maybe he did unfortunately become you know, one of in
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a way, right like Pete Carroll obviously was overseeing all
of it. He just goes up to Seattle Seahawks and
now he's a head coach in the NFL. It's like, well,
you're not going to face the burden of.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Any of this. There's nothing this regard, right, he got up.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
All I'm saying is the NCAA came and did what
they were going to do the mount. I mean, hell,
throw the throw throw the Heisman trust in there, throw
the Heisman trophy. You don't think that they were able
to generate a ton of money off of Reggie Bush's
brand being attached to the Heisman in the end, give
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all the money back. If you're disqualifying him as as
to what he is, then then return it all. Don't
just say okay, there's no retroactive because you're retroactively punishing him.
But but everybody has reaped the benefits of what Reggie
Bush brought to the table.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
My understanding was if the money was returned from what
was allegedly taken, that he would have gotten it back.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
He's never even acknowledged he did anything wrong, really, and
and like the school, like they lost thirty scholarships. They
I mean they, I mean, they've been a disaster since then.
And he's never really like stepped up and said or
apologized or anything like that. It's just been kind of
people have been pounding the table form. I just wish
people would be a little bit honest and just say, look,
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it's not actually his heisman trophy, it's OJ's that we refurbished.
If they would just say that, I think we can
all be on.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
The same page right now.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Never took away they didn't take away ojs by the way, well,
because it all happened obviously, absolutely the fact.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
But imagine that, Imagine that it says juice on this,
I don't worry about it. That'll come off.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah. I just that's pretty deep. I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
I just I'm happy he got his his award back
because at the end of the day, did what happened
have any bearing on what he what he earned on
the field.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Look, I think to Brady's points.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Selfishly, I'll say this, if that's how he got to USC,
then yeah, did because if he was at Notre Dame, maybe.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
We win some national championships. I mean, that's the reality is.
He was that special of a player.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And I remember calling him back in high school and
trying to recruit him and like trying to get him
to come to Notre Dame because it was supposedly between Southern.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Cal and Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And at that time, you know, obviously he wanted to
stay closer to home.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
That was one of the things.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
But the reality is, I'll say it again, I think
when you talk about brand, you know, and his brand,
you know, his his brand became what it was because
of his style of play and how unique it was
in the sense of his change in direction and his
highlight play making ability. I just felt like if he
would have came to Notre Dame, he probably would have
won too. I really do believe that he would have
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been the you know, the second after Archie Griffin because
of the highlights because of the national exposure he would
have received, and especially early on in his career, that's
he would have been thrust it into play, probably as
a freshman, you know, probably as a true freshman.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
It's time.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Can I ask you guys this, who's the greatest baseball
player you've ever seen? For me, it's very bonds. Yeah,
And and like, I know, he's not going to get
in the Hall of Fame, but I know what I saw,
and I don't need him getting to the Hall of
Fame to justify or to sort of put a cap
on an incredible career. With all this stuff behind the
scenes and the allegations and scandals and steroids and all
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that stuff, Reggie Bush, whether he had his Heisman or not,
still one of the best football players I've ever seen
in the villa. I'll say this as I was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
As a trophy winner.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I won the Buckets and the beanerk and those aren't
anywhere close to being as as as reverenced then as
respected as the Heisman. But nonetheless that's our heisman. The
Baneric is the defensive player of the year, that's our heisman.
Uh getting the buckets to me as a linebacker that's
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a Heisman, and that's a part of my ultimate legace.
I get to say that I want the Buckets. I
represent what would be considered the best linebacker in the country.
I would not want to leave here based upon my
legacy and what that means to like, generations upon generations
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of my family.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
When I'm long gone from here, will have.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
The ability to go to the College Football Hall of Fame,
to go to Penn State's Hall of Fame, to go
through the Penn State Football building, multiple places where they
can see what somebody who is a part of them
directly from years and years ago, is there yea like
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to me, that's he I feel like he was fighting
for his legacy to have that heisman, like shore people
acknowledge it. But the fact that it was not being
acknowledged by the Heisman Trust the high in itself.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
To me, I feel like.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
That that would hurt, and I know it would hurt
because I felt like I was in jeopardy when all
of this, the Sandusky scandal that took place at Penn State.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
They wiped our record clean.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Sot my Mike Buckets year would have been wiped clean
had they vacated the victories and kept it that way, it.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Would have gone that far to where they would take
away individually.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
It goes back to my freshman year. Yeah, it would
have went back. My freshman year would have been the
only year that counted and I didn't even play. So
the idea of it is I would have literally never
had a career at Penn State, you know what I mean?
So I know it from from a more intimate, a
more intimate level, or I didn't break any rules, but
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somebody else's actions dictated what the ultimate you know, legacy
and the history of of what I was able to
accomplish as a player with my teammates, and it was
it was a very intense feeling to know that everything
that we did, all the hard work, all the preparation,
the off season, the winner workouts, the training camps, the
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leading up to the games, all of it was for
not It's just that that's you know, for what it's worth.
You took the money, you broke the rules. Okay, if
that's what it is, then then stand on that's that's
I have no problem with that, the idea of the
rules being broken.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
But when you're.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Talking about if you're looking at it from any other perspective,
and I know for me, I didn't break any rules,
So I'm looking at it from a perspective of it's
purely about my legacy. So if Reggie Bush felt as
though it was someone else that was more culpable, even
if it was a family member, if it was not
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me that was doing this rule breaking, which I don't
know the the exact details, I don't know if Reggie
Bush took the money, it could have been. I always
was under the impression that it was a family member
that took the money.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
That was what I had gotten. But if I'm wrong,
I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
But if that is the case, and that's the scenario
where a family member was benefiting from somebody else during
the course of this time, and I'm Reggie Bush, I
do not want my legacy being ruined based off of
somebody else's decisions that were connected to me.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, And it goes back to the initial point. It's
it's why it makes it much simpler. You just say,
what did you guy do on the field? Was he
the best player?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah? There you go, Like.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
It doesn't need to get more complicated than that. And
that's unfortunately where I think some of these awards have
gotten is they try. I mean even the Hall of Fame,
you know, the the NFL Hall of Fame, Like you
see guys who should get in, but.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Well how they treat to me? How are they?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
And it's like, well, that's not really like how we
viewed that point.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I still don't get it.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
It's just he's the case figure for a guy that,
no doubt was one of the greatest wide receivers ever
do it and yet you know people, well you know
how he treated to me. It's like, what because he
was doing abs, because he's got a twelve pack and
he was doing abs outside of.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
His home, Like what do you mean? Like, like, what,
what's there not to what's that Hall of Fame worthy?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, it's uh. I just I look at it and
I go best player, one of the best players I've
ever seen. That run Reggie Bush had against was it
a passage? Oh my god?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Man?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Like he was so good. Sorry Eddie, Yes, sorry Eddie,
Sorry Eddie. Sorry to reminisce on Reggie Bush's run against
Fresno State.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I'm sorry, bro, I'll never forget he was so good.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Man. Did I tell you?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
We like we watched like as an entire team, we
watched their Arizona Stake game before we played him in
OH five and and Charlie Weis was our head coach
at the time. The reason why he did it was
because he wanted our entire offense to understand how good
Reggie was, Like how like what are our defense had
to go up against, and so in order for us
to even have a chance at winning, it wasn't just
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us playing the defense.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
We were playing their offense.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Like we had to run the ball, we had to
control the clock, we had to limit their possessions, like
he wanted us to see it.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And I've always said this to people.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
He was one of the only players where when I
was watching it, every time he touched the ball against
Arizona State that year and we're watching this game.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
It like would take your breath away.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
You were like, oh, we could take it, Like like
every single time, You're like, he's gonna take the house.
There was never another player, at least that I played
against or afterwards where I felt like every single time
he touched the ball he could make eleven dudes mess
and take it to the house.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Mine is Peter Warck.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I mean, I just got to put it out there
greatest greatest college ballplayer in terms of that element, Peter
Warck was mine. I've never seen anything like it, and
I probably i'd say, I mean, Reggie Bush was as
close as it came to to seeing that. But just
just since we're having the conversation, I gotta make sure
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because I you know, oh, he's got to make sure
I put it out there, because that's.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Put it out there, you know, it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Well, the other thing is, like I was, I was
almost gonna stay in my lifetime. But you know, Barry
Sanders was at Oklahoma State. Yeah, when when I was
like boy, like I was, he's.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Really really young.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
So I don't recall Barry Sanders as a Oklahoma State cowboy.
I remember him as a Detroit lion. But when you
go back and look at what he was able to accomplish, crazy,
it's silly, Like it is silly for a few games
as he played, and the production that he had in
an era too where back then it wasn't like they
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weren't loading up the box to stop the run. Things
weren't spread out, it wasn't like that, and he was
still having the production he had that it was just ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
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Thank you, Brady Quinn and lebar Arrington.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Oh that's sweet, very much and still until my nephew
starts playing in Middle Tennessee next year. That you guys
can kiss my ass one or or or that one
whether if you can spell that, I'll buy your rolls voice.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, but it's funny.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
I got it. I got a lion that's named Mondevu.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
So yeah, well look and we.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Both named them from the same program. So there you go.
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at Albert Breer ABU. So it's happening. Happy Draft day
to you.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Hey, what's up, Jonas? How you doing?
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I'm good now. I am curious because you put out
your I do like the fact that you let it
be known you're one and only mock draft. All right,
you're too good for this version two point zero three
point zero. You can't be bothered with that crap because
you're Albert Breer. So I got to know.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
I don't know. I don't know if you uh, I
don't know if you've paid attention to the media news
over the last couple of months. But it's been tumultuous,
uh most of the time for sports illustrating. I have
aver I may I may have been able to may
have been able to slide through without doing two or
three mocks either.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Is there a is there a pick or a prediction
in your mock draft that you look at and you go,
I feel like that's the one that's that's going to
be a surprise or going to go elsewhere that now
that you look back on it, out it it's all completed.
You're waiting for tonight.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yeah, I mean I feel like a little uncomfortable. I'll
give you a few things I feel a little uncomfortable about.
I feel a little uncomfortable about not giving the Broncos
bon nicks, just because I think like the more I
think about it, the more it's like, are they going
to go into the season with Chared Sinnam and Zach Wilson?
You know. Now, I think if they do wind up
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with bone Nicks, like it'll be some sort of creative
solution because they don't have a second round pick. So,
you know, could they move down, maybe a team comes
up for a tackle, try to get in front of
New Orleans to go and get you know, one of
the top tackles. You know, that's possible. And I think
if they move down, then maybe I feel okay, like
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now they're probably now now now Knicks is really in
play for them, you know, leaving the Vikings at eleven
to be a gamble for them to stay at eleven
and not move up. But I think they'd really like
to keep the twenty third pick and use it on
a defensive player if they can, and still you know,
get JJ McCarthy. So you know, I certainly think, you know, like,
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could they move up with the Giants and six of
the Giants are looking to move down? Could they move
up with the you know, with the with the with
the Titans, you know the relationship between the general managers there,
I think that that's possible too. Yeah, but I feel
pretty good about the top. I'd say the top seven.
I feel pretty good about like the way that that's
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gonna play out, you know, with the three quarterbacks going
at the top. I think Drake may will go third. Overall,
I think it will either be to the Patriots the
Giants of the Vikings, but I think ultimately the Patriots
will stick at three and take them. Would be my guest,
you know, Marvin at four. Feel pretty solid about that.
I don't know if anybody's gonna bowl over Arizona was
an offer. I think that the Chargers and Titans will
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take tackles at five and seven if they stick, and
I think one will get all the other one will
get lath them, and then my guess is the Giants
would take a receiver at six.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Hey, Albert, do you feel like you guys missed out
an opportunity at s I. I mean, you guys could
have done like your mock versus a I, you know,
stay comparison, right, Yeah, that's a good way that it's
not familiar with AI, you know.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Yeah, yeah, oh, I I uh yeah, I'm just glad.
I'm just glad that I could help fuel the betting
on now you know what I mean, because there's a
lot of aie happening over there, and uh, you know,
apparently like I've had to hear how all the sharks
have all their all the sharks have all their their
sources and everything else. And h my guess is they're
doing what everybody else is, which is reading people like
me and getting all their information that way.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Wow, all right for you.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
There you go, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I'm not going to take any jabs at you. Av
don't worry. I'm just going to ask you.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
I'm not bitter morning. I'm not bitter Moor now this morning.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I'm all right, all right.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
In terms of looking at the conversation surrounding the quarterbacks,
does it does it get more intensified the closer we
get to the draft starting or does it kind of
relatively stay the same. Because there's some people that are
saying that Drake May versus Jake and Daniels, or Jake
and Daniels versus as Drake May, then you you're hearing
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JJ McCarthy's name kind of entering into the mix to
be a higher draft pick. Does does that intensify like
or is it kind of just kind of overstate it
right now.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Yeah. I mean I think I think for most of
these teams, well all of them, the Hayes in the
barn now, you know. And you know, look like the
Giants went out to a Yankees game the other night,
the the Dolphins brought their scouts to a Panthers playoff game.
You know. I had one team like had their had
the completion of their weight loss challenge for coaches and scouts,
(25:35):
you know, on Wednesdays. So I think, you know, what
the last week has been, but what the last few
days have been is sort of you know, starting to
work the phones and working through trades scenarios, but the
evaluations are done, you know, and and and this week
in a lot of ways, it is sort of a
celebration for for the scouts and the personnel departments and
(25:56):
in the completion of you know.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
What is their year.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
You know, like this is the same way like you know,
coaches work here kind of ends at the end of
the season, you know, scouts work here ends at the draft.
So you know, I don't think that there's much movement
on boards, you know, on on Wednesday and Thursday of
Draft week, all of that stuff is done. Teams know
where they're at with their quarterbacks, they know where they're
(26:19):
at with the receivers, at the tackles, and you know,
I think what's left now is what's going to happen
from a trade standpoint. So the Patriots, for example, I
think really like Drake May at three, I think the
Giants and Vikings have some motivation to go up and
and see if they can get them, and so you
know that still needs to play out a little bit.
I think the Patriots stick Arizona. Like I said, like
(26:41):
they've sort of put out the signal the teams like,
we're not going to move until we're on the clock.
So is there a team that is desperate enough to
go up and get JJ McCarthy at four? I don't
think that's going to happen. I think the Cardinals wind
up sticking. But you know, that's where I think, like
the tension of draft, they can kind of get dig
and affect the trade market. But I don't the good
effects of evaluation as much.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, senior
NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB. So the
Bears second pick in the top ten is sitting at nine.
In your mock draft, you have them going with the
leak Neighbors, but they only have four picks in the draft.
Is there the potential that they could try and acquire
more capital by moving back with a team trying to
(27:22):
get aggressive?
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Yes, now, and I think I think Ryan pol said
it publicly. The trade positions are sort of focused on,
you know, the quarterback taking care of it one are
offensive line, pass rusher, and receiver, Like they'd like to
come away with one of each. And if you look
at it, they've only got you know, two additional picks
past one in the top one hundred, and that's the
ninth pick and the seventy fifth pick, And so I
(27:44):
think they'd like to spin that ninth pick into more
unless there's a special opportunity there. And the way I
have it playing out is that special opportunity arise, you know,
with Moleague Neighbors slipping the nine. You know, I think
ultimately the approach that the Ryan Poles you've already seen it,
but the appos approach Ryan Poles is going to take
(28:05):
in building around Caleb Williams is going to be similar
to you know, what he was a part of in
Kansas City, when Patrick Mahomes was young, and when they
were really aggressive and you know, going and getting guys
like Sammy Watkins on the market to add to what
they already had drafting Nicole Hartman high adding to what
they already had with Tyreek Hill and Kareem Hunt, those guys.
(28:27):
I think you'll see them take a similar approach. And
if there's an opportunity to add somebody the view who's
really special at nine, then they don't move. If they
look at it to you, like let's say Neighbors is gone,
and you know they don't few Bowers or a Dundee
as that sort of player, then I certainly think they
would look at at moving down, picking up more capital
and and maybe addressing the offensive line, you know, later
(28:50):
in the first round. And then if they can pick
up a Day two pick, that would give them an
opportunity to address receiver there.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
But we don't have much time. So I got a
couple quick questions for you.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
What team that maybe isn't from the outside in need
of a quarterback that could take one in your mind?
And then the other question is we heard Trade Hendrickson
say he wants to be traded. Now there was what
was that Brendan Ayuk was gonna be traded at some point?
What veteran player gets traded tonight? Do you think you're
(29:20):
gonna say this is the guy who I think it's
dealt tonight.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Okay, So well, first of all, the teams that that
I that I think could you should keep an eye
on for quarterbacks like Seattle with Tennis potentially and the
Rams with UH with bone Nicks, Like that's a connection
I've heard from a few different people over the last
couple of weeks.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
You know.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
I here's the thing, Brady, It's really interesting about it
to me is I pay attention to who likes who,
you know what I mean? Like, and I think it's
interesting like on Drake May that the Vikings and the
Giants are teams that are in on him because it's
Brian Dabon and Kevin O'Connell. Right. I sort of feel
the same way about bone Knicks. Now I look at
who's in on bone Knicks. Well, it's the Broncos and
(30:05):
the Rams. That's Sean Payton and Sean McVay. Like I
sort of think that that might mean something about who
the player is you know what I mean. So I
think that sort of thing's worth paying attention to. I say,
the Rams could be one curveball team that takes a
quarterback higher than you might think, you know. And then
just as far as veteran players being moved, you know,
(30:26):
like Henderson makes more sense to me. Here's the thing, Like,
I think it's going to be hard with the receivers now,
and this is the development of the last forty of
the over the last forty eight hours, right, So with
your Higgins, with your you know, with your Brandon Ayuk,
with your like like a J. Brown, I think will
be a little bit more, a little bit different because
he's under contract. But look at what I'm on ros
(30:47):
Saint Brown got, Like, if you look at the real
money in that deal, he's getting about twenty eight million
dollars a year. So if you're a team potentially trading
for Ayuk, trading for Higgins, right, they're only under contract
for another year. How much harder did it get to
resign those guys? Now, you know what I mean? Like,
because if you're one of those guys, if your Higgins
(31:07):
or Ayuk, then Saint Brown just got twenty eight Well,
you're not going for less than thirty, right, So I
think that that could complicate a trade. And that's why
I would say like a Hendrickson might be a little
bit more likely, or even like again, like an AJ
Brown is the egos word to stumble into a receiver solution.
Would they listen a little bit more on AJ Brown?
(31:28):
I wouldn't totally rule that out, although I don't think
it's likely because teams have called an acquired and they've
shut them down up until now.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Get them on Twitter or ex at Albert Breer. He'll
have everything and all everything set and covered for you
when it comes to the NFL Draft, and he trades
updates and either reporting out there. Alberbreer is the guy
to go to on that ab We appreciate it. Enjoy tonight.
We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Thanks Aby, Thanks guys.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
There is Alberbreer, Senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at
the MMQB.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Oh, come on, AI, I was just a friendly labar.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
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Speaker 4 (32:06):
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that matter in football. I don't know when it comes
down to your nutrition though, that's super simple and well,
we're talking about silk and the flavors, the nutrition, the recipes.
One thing that doesn't get enough attention like some of
(32:28):
the things being talked about in the draft. Uh, well,
it's the shelf stable options. I wonder if some of
these prospects have that because they will be waiting and
you know what, you can stay fresh without refrigeration until opened.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio
we close up shop here on a Thursday morning with
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Speaker 6 (32:59):
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Speaker 3 (33:10):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas knocks with you here. So
we'll be back on the air coming up tomorrow six
am Eastern time, three o'clock Pacific we're going to take
a look back at the NFL Draft. Of course, any surprises,
I agree.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Wow, I just want to see you he was gonna
go there, No, I was joking it socks brutal.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
You're a weirdo, Jonas.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, how are you gonna just take a dump on
YouTube like that?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, you can't do that?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Oh no, why not? They can get it too for
the can then anybody can get it.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Hey, you know what you can get then later broken hose,
you know.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, by the way, if you're wondering why this has
been a show about broken hose, just listen to the podcast.
It'll be posted shortly after we go off the air.
Also a friendly reminder, our good friend LeVar Arrington is
going to be the star of Fox Sports Ratings Draft
Night Live on tonight. So a PM Eastern, five o'clock Pacific,
(34:14):
LeVar is gonna be telling Jay Glaze Pa five o'clock Pacific. Yeah,
five o'clock, five Pacific. So that's where you can find
LeVar later on tonight with Fox Sports Radios Draft coverage here.
Always a fun event and just going to.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Stay there and wait for us to do our show.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah, I was gonna say you're just gonna driving back home?
What's the point just stick around?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Isn't that crazy? It's literally only like three four hours
after I would take a blow up, Mattress. Yeah, what
else would you blow up with? You? Jeez?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
With the well, I would have one of my car
anyway in California just to drive in the hov line.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
With the brand be called broken Hoe.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
By Jonas Jonas and by Jonas.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Well.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
That said it, it's time to close up shop with
another edition of this.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Two pros and a cup of Joe. What even and
know if they're in at least or if they're out?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
All right, lead to lab what do we got?
Speaker 7 (35:19):
Well, guys, you never hear this, but uh are you
in or out? On the NFL drafts official name? The
Annual Player Selection Meeting?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Out?
Speaker 5 (35:26):
What?
Speaker 8 (35:27):
Yeah, that's the official name of the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I'm sorry say that again.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
The Annual Players Selection Meeting is the official title.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
Of the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Who the hell calls it that?
Speaker 8 (35:38):
Nobody?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Have you get? Did you guys know that?
Speaker 5 (35:42):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And don't care me neither? All right out out on that.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
I think everybody is collectively all right, guys, hey, uh
iowah Hawkeye cornerback ow Cooper because he's white.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
The Unicorn I said, Iowa, I will and even yeah,
I felt like I made a horrible decision when I
knew he was going to white corner.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
My bad. I take it back. I'm in well.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
The Unicorn was asked if he.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
If he thinks he could beat fellow Iowah guy Caitlyn
Clark in a one on one. He said, yeah, probably,
she could probably get a few buckets, but I think
I could get it done.
Speaker 8 (36:20):
You guys enter out on that proclamation.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
And by the way, for people who haven't seen him
play basketball, and granted it was.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
In high school, uh, that dude can play. He does,
he can throw it down.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
He reminds me of Mac McClung a little bit from
some of the highlights I saw.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
So I would, I would take him.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Why why can't even remind you of somebody who's not white?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Guy could Yeah, like yep, yeah, I'm just remembering the
last white dude I saw a hops like that?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
What about Harold Miner? What about Harold Miners? Remind me
of Harold Minor?
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Baby Jordan's baby Jordan's Yeah.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
Moving on well, keeping it kind of with Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 7 (36:57):
Details emerged from the Big Three contract that was offered
to her. It apparently included ten million dollars over two years,
a percentage of team ownership, fifty percent revenue share on
merchandise containing her name and likeness, and ownership of Big
Three documentary with a seven figure advance would have come
out to about fifteen million dollars plus the offer would
have allowed her to play in the WNBA.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
Would you have been in or out on that deal?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
And you know what's crazy about that deal? She could
have been rich man.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Man, I'd be in on that deal. And so they're
thinking that she never saw the actual offer.
Speaker 7 (37:32):
That is what the co founder of the Big Three
believes because of what she said saying that she had
never seen the deal, that she'd let other people kind
of handle that stuff for and he thinks that's a
conflict of interest.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Well, yeah, wouldn't you if you were her, wouldn't you
pull your representative side and be like, Okay.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
More rich that's the only thing.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I does Nike give her the deal she got if
she's not playing in the WNBA, because that's a lot
of money too.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
But she's still playing in the WNBA, So that's not
I get it was.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, she's still away, but that's not a lot of money.
So wait, so she could have played it both. Yeah, yes,
I don't know why she didn't that.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
So you stacking fifteen million on top of the twenty
eight you're you're already getting by Come on, Mandy to
play three on three.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Caitlin, you got to fire their ass and hire us.
We'll get it, We'll get it done.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
Guys, Zeko Elliott's reps met with the Cowboys, I believe
would you have come hit her out on a reunion
between Zeke and the Cans?
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Oh man, especially on Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Watch them jump in that little uh salvation army.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Oh no, LeVar, No, no, Levar's gotta like he's one
of the cast members of Cocoon. But what is he
like twenty seven?
Speaker 2 (38:47):
He's a running back.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, listen, I don't know. I'm in on it, Lee,
I'm in no hate here.
Speaker 7 (38:53):
And guys, five game threes between the NBA Playoffs and
Stanley Cup playoffs.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Ours, All right, that's right? Ow drafted Come on, man,
all apologies priorities here on this shows.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Nice try Lee, geez f you Lee, unbelievable broken hoe,
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(01:11):
tonight in Detroit, which is interesting because Detroit, you could argue,
is also where Reggie Bush had his best season of
his career in the NFL with the Lions. Played there
a couple of years and was pretty good for Detroit
back then. And Reggie Bush is in the news now
(01:31):
because he's getting his Heisman trophy back after fourteen years.
As it was announced yesterday. The Heisman Trust cited fundamental
changes and college athletics in their decision. And I got
to be honest with you, I didn't know that this
was that important of a thing that we had to
have people pound the table for Reggie Bush to get
(01:51):
his Heisman back. Because it ain't like he was just
innocent and was accused of a bunch of stuff that
didn't happen. It happened. It's just the rules of change.
But apparently Reggie Bush needed to get his Heisman back,
and that was the outcry on social media from a
lot of people, including Johnny Manziel. I just didn't know
it was that important, don't He's.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Not wrong, I mean it's not like, but yeah, this
doesn't negate him for whatever happened back then.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It's just here's the reality of the award.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
They shouldn't take into consideration anything other than what's happening
on the field.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
That's that's always been my stance on these awards.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
This is not a good Samaritan award, and not saying
that Reggie is not a good Samaritan.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
He is.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I've worked with him, played against him. He's deserving of
this award. It never should have been taken away from him,
because the award never should be anything more than who's
the best player in college football.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
The reality is college football is.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You can't write the story of college football without including
Reggie Bush like he was that special of a player.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
He was.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I'll say it, as far as my lifetime playing against
and since then watching players, he was the best college football.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I've never seen anyone who at that position in my
time playing and playing against him and afterwards be able
to impact the game the way he could, and so
he was deserving of it. He probably would have won
two if he went to Notre Dame. I'll just I've
told him that a number of times, because I think
(03:31):
he would have played earlier on in his career and
gotten the ball more, and people would have seen what
he was capable of even earlier in his career, and
not just the five season and really even some D
four season, So very deserving that he won the award,
and then.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
He's finally gotten it back.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
You know, I'd make the case it's the criteria of
the Heisman Trust that has led us to this point.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Like a lot of people look back on.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
The NCAA and so, what's the NCAA that, Well, the
Heisman Trust is the one that made the de decision.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
This isn't the NCAAA.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's the Heisman Trust that then changed their tune as
to saying, well, the changing landscape. By the way, this
has happened for years, Like and I always been a
part of college football for years, So why now, Like
what makes this quick change of judgment as to awarding
Reggie Bush the Heisman Trophy?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Now? And you know, is there a pending lawsuit?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
You know, was there something that was coming up maybe
that led to this, you know who ultimately knows. But
I'm happy to see him get it back because working
with him, I know how much it meant to him,
and I know how much it hurt.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Him when when it was taken away.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
We had talked a lot about his legacy and what
it meant to him in that regard, and so again,
it doesn't absolve him of what he was doing back
then or what had taken place back then, but that
doesn't mean that he ever should have been taken away
in the first place.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
In my opinion, some what the award really represents.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I feel like there are complications to it because he
wasn't It's like people were acting on behalf of what
in all of this that took place. They were acting
on behalf of the school, like everything that was taking
place was to benefit USC. So to me, when I
(05:25):
look at this, this is something that should have fallen
on the feet of who was monitoring, measuring what was
taking place with the school, because everybody out here has
something that would probably fall below the lines of it's legal.
(05:48):
Like there's something out there on every school, everyone, every
single one. There's not one school that probably isn't culpable
in some way, shape or form someone who's related to
the program that's working to make their program the best
program in the country. So to me, when I looked
(06:09):
at why his his heisman was taken from them. Okay,
the rules are the rules. Take his heisman, but take
the victories away. Return all the money back to all
of the ticket holders that went to those games. Return
the TV money back to the advertisers who advertised for
(06:31):
those games. Like, just my whole thing is, don't stop
with one thing, don't pinpoint one thing, because it's too
complex to say Reggie Bush was the problem. So take
Reggie Bush's take his heisman from him in the scenario
that played out, I just feel as though he.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Was, but he wasn't the only one who suffered that, right,
Like you could actually make the case that you know,
outside of the heisman being taken away, which which again
was the heisman trust decision, and it was their trust,
their decision to give it back.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It's the NCAA that ended up then punishing USC after
Pete Carroll left, after you know, Reggie had left. Where
those future players are the ones that really suffered and
with the lack of scholarships and everything else that came
along with it, which I mean, look, and that's that's
one of the issues with the nca in any sort
of punishment that they delve out it's always retroactive, and
(07:28):
so it hurts the future generations even though they had
nothing to do with it. But what you're touching on is, look,
was their institutional instability, Yes, and that's what really went rampant,
And as far as you know what was going on,
you know, it could have been more than one. And
maybe he did unfortunately become you know, one of in
(07:51):
a way, right like Pete Carroll obviously was overseeing all
of it. He just goes up to Seattle Seahawks and
now he's a head coach in the NFL. It's like, well,
you're not going to face the burden of.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Any of this. There's nothing this regard, right, he got up.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
All I'm saying is the NCAA came and did what
they were going to do the mount. I mean, hell,
throw the throw throw the Heisman trust in there, throw
the Heisman trophy. You don't think that they were able
to generate a ton of money off of Reggie Bush's
brand being attached to the Heisman in the end, give
(08:26):
all the money back. If you're disqualifying him as as
to what he is, then then return it all. Don't
just say okay, there's no retroactive because you're retroactively punishing him.
But but everybody has reaped the benefits of what Reggie
Bush brought to the table.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
My understanding was if the money was returned from what
was allegedly taken, that he would have gotten it back.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
He's never even acknowledged he did anything wrong, really, and
and like the school, like they lost thirty scholarships. They
I mean they, I mean, they've been a disaster since then.
And he's never really like stepped up and said or
apologized or anything like that. It's just been kind of
people have been pounding the table form. I just wish
people would be a little bit honest and just say, look,
(09:13):
it's not actually his heisman trophy, it's OJ's that we refurbished.
If they would just say that, I think we can
all be on.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
The same page right now.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Never took away they didn't take away ojs by the way, well,
because it all happened obviously, absolutely the fact.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
But imagine that, Imagine that it says juice on this,
I don't worry about it. That'll come off.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah. I just that's pretty deep. I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
I just I'm happy he got his his award back
because at the end of the day, did what happened
have any bearing on what he what he earned on
the field.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Look, I think to Brady's points.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Selfishly, I'll say this, if that's how he got to USC,
then yeah, did because if he was at Notre Dame, maybe.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
We win some national championships. I mean, that's the reality is.
He was that special of a player.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And I remember calling him back in high school and
trying to recruit him and like trying to get him
to come to Notre Dame because it was supposedly between Southern.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Cal and Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And at that time, you know, obviously he wanted to
stay closer to home.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
That was one of the things.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
But the reality is, I'll say it again, I think
when you talk about brand, you know, and his brand,
you know, his his brand became what it was because
of his style of play and how unique it was
in the sense of his change in direction and his
highlight play making ability. I just felt like if he
would have came to Notre Dame, he probably would have
won too. I really do believe that he would have
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been the you know, the second after Archie Griffin because
of the highlights because of the national exposure he would
have received, and especially early on in his career, that's
he would have been thrust it into play, probably as
a freshman, you know, probably as a true freshman.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
It's time.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Can I ask you guys this, who's the greatest baseball
player you've ever seen? For me, it's very bonds. Yeah,
And and like, I know, he's not going to get
in the Hall of Fame, but I know what I saw,
and I don't need him getting to the Hall of
Fame to justify or to sort of put a cap
on an incredible career. With all this stuff behind the
scenes and the allegations and scandals and steroids and all
(11:21):
that stuff, Reggie Bush, whether he had his Heisman or not,
still one of the best football players I've ever seen
in the villa. I'll say this as I was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
As a trophy winner.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I won the Buckets and the beanerk and those aren't
anywhere close to being as as as reverenced then as
respected as the Heisman. But nonetheless that's our heisman. The
Baneric is the defensive player of the year, that's our heisman.
Uh getting the buckets to me as a linebacker that's
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a Heisman, and that's a part of my ultimate legace.
I get to say that I want the Buckets. I
represent what would be considered the best linebacker in the country.
I would not want to leave here based upon my
legacy and what that means to like, generations upon generations
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of my family.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
When I'm long gone from here, will have.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
The ability to go to the College Football Hall of Fame,
to go to Penn State's Hall of Fame, to go
through the Penn State Football building, multiple places where they
can see what somebody who is a part of them
directly from years and years ago, is there yea like
(12:46):
to me, that's he I feel like he was fighting
for his legacy to have that heisman, like shore people
acknowledge it. But the fact that it was not being
acknowledged by the Heisman Trust the high in itself.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
To me, I feel like.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
That that would hurt, and I know it would hurt
because I felt like I was in jeopardy when all
of this, the Sandusky scandal that took place at Penn State.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
They wiped our record clean.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Sot my Mike Buckets year would have been wiped clean
had they vacated the victories and kept it that way, it.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Would have gone that far to where they would take
away individually.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
It goes back to my freshman year. Yeah, it would
have went back. My freshman year would have been the
only year that counted and I didn't even play. So
the idea of it is I would have literally never
had a career at Penn State, you know what I mean?
So I know it from from a more intimate, a
more intimate level, or I didn't break any rules, but
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somebody else's actions dictated what the ultimate you know, legacy
and the history of of what I was able to
accomplish as a player with my teammates, and it was
it was a very intense feeling to know that everything
that we did, all the hard work, all the preparation,
the off season, the winner workouts, the training camps, the
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leading up to the games, all of it was for
not It's just that that's you know, for what it's worth.
You took the money, you broke the rules. Okay, if
that's what it is, then then stand on that's that's
I have no problem with that, the idea of the
rules being broken.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
But when you're.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Talking about if you're looking at it from any other perspective,
and I know for me, I didn't break any rules,
So I'm looking at it from a perspective of it's
purely about my legacy. So if Reggie Bush felt as
though it was someone else that was more culpable, even
if it was a family member, if it was not
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me that was doing this rule breaking, which I don't
know the the exact details, I don't know if Reggie
Bush took the money, it could have been. I always
was under the impression that it was a family member
that took the money.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
That was what I had gotten. But if I'm wrong,
I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
But if that is the case, and that's the scenario
where a family member was benefiting from somebody else during
the course of this time, and I'm Reggie Bush, I
do not want my legacy being ruined based off of
somebody else's decisions that were connected to me.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, And it goes back to the initial point. It's
it's why it makes it much simpler. You just say,
what did you guy do on the field? Was he
the best player?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah? There you go, Like.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
It doesn't need to get more complicated than that. And
that's unfortunately where I think some of these awards have
gotten is they try. I mean even the Hall of Fame,
you know, the the NFL Hall of Fame, Like you
see guys who should get in, but.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Well how they treat to me? How are they?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
And it's like, well, that's not really like how we
viewed that point.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I still don't get it.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
It's just he's the case figure for a guy that,
no doubt was one of the greatest wide receivers ever
do it and yet you know people, well you know
how he treated to me. It's like, what because he
was doing abs, because he's got a twelve pack and
he was doing abs outside of.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
His home, Like what do you mean? Like, like, what,
what's there not to what's that Hall of Fame worthy?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, it's uh. I just I look at it and
I go best player, one of the best players I've
ever seen. That run Reggie Bush had against was it
a passage? Oh my god?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Man?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Like he was so good. Sorry Eddie, Yes, sorry Eddie,
Sorry Eddie. Sorry to reminisce on Reggie Bush's run against
Fresno State.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I'm sorry, bro, I'll never forget he was so good.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Man. Did I tell you?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
We like we watched like as an entire team, we
watched their Arizona Stake game before we played him in
OH five and and Charlie Weis was our head coach
at the time. The reason why he did it was
because he wanted our entire offense to understand how good
Reggie was, Like how like what are our defense had
to go up against, and so in order for us
to even have a chance at winning, it wasn't just
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us playing the defense.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
We were playing their offense.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Like we had to run the ball, we had to
control the clock, we had to limit their possessions, like
he wanted us to see it.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And I've always said this to people.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
He was one of the only players where when I
was watching it, every time he touched the ball against
Arizona State that year and we're watching this game.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
It like would take your breath away.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
You were like, oh, we could take it, Like like
every single time, You're like, he's gonna take the house.
There was never another player, at least that I played
against or afterwards where I felt like every single time
he touched the ball he could make eleven dudes mess
and take it to the house.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Mine is Peter Warck.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I mean, I just got to put it out there
greatest greatest college ballplayer in terms of that element, Peter
Warck was mine. I've never seen anything like it, and
I probably i'd say, I mean, Reggie Bush was as
close as it came to to seeing that. But just
just since we're having the conversation, I gotta make sure
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because I you know, oh, he's got to make sure
I put it out there, because that's.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Put it out there, you know, it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Well, the other thing is, like I was, I was
almost gonna stay in my lifetime. But you know, Barry
Sanders was at Oklahoma State. Yeah, when when I was
like boy, like I was, he's.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Really really young.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
So I don't recall Barry Sanders as a Oklahoma State cowboy.
I remember him as a Detroit lion. But when you
go back and look at what he was able to accomplish, crazy,
it's silly, Like it is silly for a few games
as he played, and the production that he had in
an era too where back then it wasn't like they
(18:40):
weren't loading up the box to stop the run. Things
weren't spread out, it wasn't like that, and he was
still having the production he had that it was just ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Well, my two favorite college football players of all time.
Thank you, Brady Quinn and lebar Arrington.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Oh that's sweet, very much and still until my nephew
starts playing in Middle Tennessee next year. That you guys
can kiss my ass one or or or that one
whether if you can spell that, I'll buy your rolls voice.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, but it's funny.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
I got it. I got a lion that's named Mondevu.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
So yeah, well look and we.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Both named them from the same program. So there you go.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
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(19:43):
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You Any You out? But right now he is Albert
Breer and he is in senior NFL reporter, lead content
strategist at the MMQB. You can get him on X
at Albert Breer ABU. So it's happening. Happy Draft day
to you.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Hey, what's up, Jonas? How you doing?
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I'm good now. I am curious because you put out
your I do like the fact that you let it
be known you're one and only mock draft. All right,
you're too good for this version two point zero three
point zero. You can't be bothered with that crap because
you're Albert Breer. So I got to know.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
I don't know. I don't know if you uh, I
don't know if you've paid attention to the media news
over the last couple of months. But it's been tumultuous,
uh most of the time for sports illustrating. I have
aver I may I may have been able to may
have been able to slide through without doing two or
three mocks either.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Is there a is there a pick or a prediction
in your mock draft that you look at and you go,
I feel like that's the one that's that's going to
be a surprise or going to go elsewhere that now
that you look back on it, out it it's all completed.
You're waiting for tonight.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yeah, I mean I feel like a little uncomfortable. I'll
give you a few things I feel a little uncomfortable about.
I feel a little uncomfortable about not giving the Broncos
bon nicks, just because I think like the more I
think about it, the more it's like, are they going
to go into the season with Chared Sinnam and Zach Wilson?
You know. Now, I think if they do wind up
(22:15):
with bone Nicks, like it'll be some sort of creative
solution because they don't have a second round pick. So,
you know, could they move down, maybe a team comes
up for a tackle, try to get in front of
New Orleans to go and get you know, one of
the top tackles. You know, that's possible. And I think
if they move down, then maybe I feel okay, like
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now they're probably now now now Knicks is really in
play for them, you know, leaving the Vikings at eleven
to be a gamble for them to stay at eleven
and not move up. But I think they'd really like
to keep the twenty third pick and use it on
a defensive player if they can, and still you know,
get JJ McCarthy. So you know, I certainly think, you know, like,
(22:57):
could they move up with the Giants and six of
the Giants are looking to move down? Could they move
up with the you know, with the with the with
the Titans, you know the relationship between the general managers there,
I think that that's possible too. Yeah, but I feel
pretty good about the top. I'd say the top seven.
I feel pretty good about like the way that that's
(23:18):
gonna play out, you know, with the three quarterbacks going
at the top. I think Drake may will go third. Overall,
I think it will either be to the Patriots the
Giants of the Vikings, but I think ultimately the Patriots
will stick at three and take them. Would be my guest,
you know, Marvin at four. Feel pretty solid about that.
I don't know if anybody's gonna bowl over Arizona was
an offer. I think that the Chargers and Titans will
(23:41):
take tackles at five and seven if they stick, and
I think one will get all the other one will
get lath them, and then my guess is the Giants
would take a receiver at six.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Hey, Albert, do you feel like you guys missed out
an opportunity at s I. I mean, you guys could
have done like your mock versus a I, you know,
stay comparison, right, Yeah, that's a good way that it's
not familiar with AI, you know.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Yeah, yeah, oh, I I uh yeah, I'm just glad.
I'm just glad that I could help fuel the betting
on now you know what I mean, because there's a
lot of aie happening over there, and uh, you know,
apparently like I've had to hear how all the sharks
have all their all the sharks have all their their
sources and everything else. And h my guess is they're
doing what everybody else is, which is reading people like
me and getting all their information that way.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Wow, all right for you.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
There you go, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I'm not going to take any jabs at you. Av
don't worry. I'm just going to ask you.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
I'm not bitter morning. I'm not bitter Moor now this morning.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I'm all right, all right.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
In terms of looking at the conversation surrounding the quarterbacks,
does it does it get more intensified the closer we
get to the draft starting or does it kind of
relatively stay the same. Because there's some people that are
saying that Drake May versus Jake and Daniels, or Jake
and Daniels versus as Drake May, then you you're hearing
(25:02):
JJ McCarthy's name kind of entering into the mix to
be a higher draft pick. Does does that intensify like
or is it kind of just kind of overstate it
right now.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Yeah. I mean I think I think for most of
these teams, well all of them, the Hayes in the
barn now, you know. And you know, look like the
Giants went out to a Yankees game the other night,
the the Dolphins brought their scouts to a Panthers playoff game.
You know. I had one team like had their had
the completion of their weight loss challenge for coaches and scouts,
(25:35):
you know, on Wednesdays. So I think, you know, what
the last week has been, but what the last few
days have been is sort of you know, starting to
work the phones and working through trades scenarios, but the
evaluations are done, you know, and and and this week
in a lot of ways, it is sort of a
celebration for for the scouts and the personnel departments and
(25:56):
in the completion of you know.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
What is their year.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
You know, like this is the same way like you know,
coaches work here kind of ends at the end of
the season, you know, scouts work here ends at the draft.
So you know, I don't think that there's much movement
on boards, you know, on on Wednesday and Thursday of
Draft week, all of that stuff is done. Teams know
where they're at with their quarterbacks, they know where they're
(26:19):
at with the receivers, at the tackles, and you know,
I think what's left now is what's going to happen
from a trade standpoint. So the Patriots, for example, I
think really like Drake May at three, I think the
Giants and Vikings have some motivation to go up and
and see if they can get them, and so you
know that still needs to play out a little bit.
I think the Patriots stick Arizona. Like I said, like
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they've sort of put out the signal the teams like,
we're not going to move until we're on the clock.
So is there a team that is desperate enough to
go up and get JJ McCarthy at four? I don't
think that's going to happen. I think the Cardinals wind
up sticking. But you know, that's where I think, like
the tension of draft, they can kind of get dig
and affect the trade market. But I don't the good
effects of evaluation as much.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, senior
NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB. So the
Bears second pick in the top ten is sitting at nine.
In your mock draft, you have them going with the
leak Neighbors, but they only have four picks in the draft.
Is there the potential that they could try and acquire
more capital by moving back with a team trying to
(27:22):
get aggressive?
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Yes, now, and I think I think Ryan pol said
it publicly. The trade positions are sort of focused on,
you know, the quarterback taking care of it one are
offensive line, pass rusher, and receiver, Like they'd like to
come away with one of each. And if you look
at it, they've only got you know, two additional picks
past one in the top one hundred, and that's the
ninth pick and the seventy fifth pick, And so I
(27:44):
think they'd like to spin that ninth pick into more
unless there's a special opportunity there. And the way I
have it playing out is that special opportunity arise, you know,
with Moleague Neighbors slipping the nine. You know, I think
ultimately the approach that the Ryan Poles you've already seen it,
but the appos approach Ryan Poles is going to take
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in building around Caleb Williams is going to be similar
to you know, what he was a part of in
Kansas City, when Patrick Mahomes was young, and when they
were really aggressive and you know, going and getting guys
like Sammy Watkins on the market to add to what
they already had drafting Nicole Hartman high adding to what
they already had with Tyreek Hill and Kareem Hunt, those guys.
(28:27):
I think you'll see them take a similar approach. And
if there's an opportunity to add somebody the view who's
really special at nine, then they don't move. If they
look at it to you, like let's say Neighbors is gone,
and you know they don't few Bowers or a Dundee
as that sort of player, then I certainly think they
would look at at moving down, picking up more capital
and and maybe addressing the offensive line, you know, later
(28:50):
in the first round. And then if they can pick
up a Day two pick, that would give them an
opportunity to address receiver there.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
But we don't have much time. So I got a
couple quick questions for you.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
What team that maybe isn't from the outside in need
of a quarterback that could take one in your mind?
And then the other question is we heard Trade Hendrickson
say he wants to be traded. Now there was what
was that Brendan Ayuk was gonna be traded at some point?
What veteran player gets traded tonight? Do you think you're
(29:20):
gonna say this is the guy who I think it's
dealt tonight.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Okay, So well, first of all, the teams that that
I that I think could you should keep an eye
on for quarterbacks like Seattle with Tennis potentially and the
Rams with UH with bone Nicks, Like that's a connection
I've heard from a few different people over the last
couple of weeks.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
You know.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
I here's the thing, Brady, It's really interesting about it
to me is I pay attention to who likes who,
you know what I mean? Like, and I think it's
interesting like on Drake May that the Vikings and the
Giants are teams that are in on him because it's
Brian Dabon and Kevin O'Connell. Right. I sort of feel
the same way about bone Knicks. Now I look at
who's in on bone Knicks. Well, it's the Broncos and
(30:05):
the Rams. That's Sean Payton and Sean McVay. Like I
sort of think that that might mean something about who
the player is you know what I mean. So I
think that sort of thing's worth paying attention to. I say,
the Rams could be one curveball team that takes a
quarterback higher than you might think, you know. And then
just as far as veteran players being moved, you know,
(30:26):
like Henderson makes more sense to me. Here's the thing, Like,
I think it's going to be hard with the receivers now,
and this is the development of the last forty of
the over the last forty eight hours, right, So with
your Higgins, with your you know, with your Brandon Ayuk,
with your like like a J. Brown, I think will
be a little bit more, a little bit different because
he's under contract. But look at what I'm on ros
(30:47):
Saint Brown got, Like, if you look at the real
money in that deal, he's getting about twenty eight million
dollars a year. So if you're a team potentially trading
for Ayuk, trading for Higgins, right, they're only under contract
for another year. How much harder did it get to
resign those guys? Now, you know what I mean? Like,
because if you're one of those guys, if your Higgins
(31:07):
or Ayuk, then Saint Brown just got twenty eight Well,
you're not going for less than thirty, right, So I
think that that could complicate a trade. And that's why
I would say like a Hendrickson might be a little
bit more likely, or even like again, like an AJ
Brown is the egos word to stumble into a receiver solution.
Would they listen a little bit more on AJ Brown?
(31:28):
I wouldn't totally rule that out, although I don't think
it's likely because teams have called an acquired and they've
shut them down up until now.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Get them on Twitter or ex at Albert Breer. He'll
have everything and all everything set and covered for you
when it comes to the NFL Draft, and he trades
updates and either reporting out there. Alberbreer is the guy
to go to on that ab We appreciate it. Enjoy tonight.
We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Thanks Aby, Thanks guys.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
There is Alberbreer, Senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at
the MMQB.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Oh, come on, AI, I was just a friendly labar.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
You know how this works. Not every interview we do
can be silky, Okay, Sometimes you gotta let it fly
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
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that matter in football. I don't know when it comes
down to your nutrition though, that's super simple and well,
we're talking about silk and the flavors, the nutrition, the recipes.
One thing that doesn't get enough attention like some of
(32:28):
the things being talked about in the draft. Uh, well,
it's the shelf stable options. I wonder if some of
these prospects have that because they will be waiting and
you know what, you can stay fresh without refrigeration until opened.
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Speaker 6 (32:59):
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Speaker 3 (33:10):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
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I agree.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Wow, I just want to see you he was gonna
go there, No, I was joking it socks brutal.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
You're a weirdo, Jonas.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, how are you gonna just take a dump on
YouTube like that?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, you can't do that?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Oh no, why not? They can get it too for
the can then anybody can get it.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Hey, you know what you can get then later broken hose,
you know.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, by the way, if you're wondering why this has
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It'll be posted shortly after we go off the air.
Also a friendly reminder, our good friend LeVar Arrington is
going to be the star of Fox Sports Ratings Draft
Night Live on tonight. So a PM Eastern, five o'clock Pacific,
(34:14):
LeVar is gonna be telling Jay Glaze Pa five o'clock Pacific. Yeah,
five o'clock, five Pacific. So that's where you can find
LeVar later on tonight with Fox Sports Radios Draft coverage here.
Always a fun event and just going to.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Stay there and wait for us to do our show.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah, I was gonna say you're just gonna driving back home?
What's the point just stick around?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Isn't that crazy? It's literally only like three four hours
after I would take a blow up, Mattress. Yeah, what
else would you blow up with? You? Jeez?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
With the well, I would have one of my car
anyway in California just to drive in the hov line.
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That's right.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
With the brand be called broken Hoe.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
By Jonas Jonas and by Jonas.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Well.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
That said it, it's time to close up shop with
another edition of this.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Two pros and a cup of Joe. What even and
know if they're in at least or if they're out?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
All right, lead to lab what do we got?
Speaker 7 (35:19):
Well, guys, you never hear this, but uh are you
in or out? On the NFL drafts official name? The
Annual Player Selection Meeting?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Out?
Speaker 5 (35:26):
What?
Speaker 8 (35:27):
Yeah, that's the official name of the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I'm sorry say that again.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
The Annual Players Selection Meeting is the official title.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
Of the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Who the hell calls it that?
Speaker 8 (35:38):
Nobody?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Have you get? Did you guys know that?
Speaker 5 (35:42):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And don't care me neither? All right out out on that.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
I think everybody is collectively all right, guys, hey, uh
iowah Hawkeye cornerback ow Cooper because he's white.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
The Unicorn I said, Iowa, I will and even yeah,
I felt like I made a horrible decision when I
knew he was going to white corner.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
My bad. I take it back. I'm in well.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
The Unicorn was asked if he.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
If he thinks he could beat fellow Iowah guy Caitlyn
Clark in a one on one. He said, yeah, probably,
she could probably get a few buckets, but I think
I could get it done.
Speaker 8 (36:20):
You guys enter out on that proclamation.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
And by the way, for people who haven't seen him
play basketball, and granted it was.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
In high school, uh, that dude can play. He does,
he can throw it down.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
He reminds me of Mac McClung a little bit from
some of the highlights I saw.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
So I would, I would take him.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Why why can't even remind you of somebody who's not white?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Guy could Yeah, like yep, yeah, I'm just remembering the
last white dude I saw a hops like that?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
What about Harold Miner? What about Harold Miners? Remind me
of Harold Minor?
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Baby Jordan's baby Jordan's Yeah.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
Moving on well, keeping it kind of with Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 7 (36:57):
Details emerged from the Big Three contract that was offered
to her. It apparently included ten million dollars over two years,
a percentage of team ownership, fifty percent revenue share on
merchandise containing her name and likeness, and ownership of Big
Three documentary with a seven figure advance would have come
out to about fifteen million dollars plus the offer would
have allowed her to play in the WNBA.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
Would you have been in or out on that deal?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
And you know what's crazy about that deal? She could
have been rich man.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Man, I'd be in on that deal. And so they're
thinking that she never saw the actual offer.
Speaker 7 (37:32):
That is what the co founder of the Big Three
believes because of what she said saying that she had
never seen the deal, that she'd let other people kind
of handle that stuff for and he thinks that's a
conflict of interest.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Well, yeah, wouldn't you if you were her, wouldn't you
pull your representative side and be like, Okay.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
More rich that's the only thing.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I does Nike give her the deal she got if
she's not playing in the WNBA, because that's a lot
of money too.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
But she's still playing in the WNBA, So that's not
I get it was.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, she's still away, but that's not a lot of money.
So wait, so she could have played it both. Yeah, yes,
I don't know why she didn't that.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
So you stacking fifteen million on top of the twenty
eight you're you're already getting by Come on, Mandy to
play three on three.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Caitlin, you got to fire their ass and hire us.
We'll get it, We'll get it done.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
Guys, Zeko Elliott's reps met with the Cowboys, I believe
would you have come hit her out on a reunion
between Zeke and the Cans?
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Oh man, especially on Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Watch them jump in that little uh salvation army.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Oh no, LeVar, No, no, Levar's gotta like he's one
of the cast members of Cocoon. But what is he
like twenty seven?
Speaker 2 (38:47):
He's a running back.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, listen, I don't know. I'm in on it, Lee,
I'm in no hate here.
Speaker 7 (38:53):
And guys, five game threes between the NBA Playoffs and
Stanley Cup playoffs.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Ours, All right, that's right? Ow drafted Come on, man,
all apologies priorities here on this shows.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Nice try Lee, geez f you Lee, unbelievable broken hoe,
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