April 25, 2024 • 41 mins
Reggie Bush gets his Heisman back but was that the right decision? A special Draft Day Edition of “Over/Unders" and NFL Reporter Albert Breer joins the guys with some bold mock predictions.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
So the draft is later on tonight in Detroit, which
is interesting because Detroit, you could argue, is also where
Reggie Bush had his best season of his career in
the NFL with the Lions. Played there a couple of
years and was pretty good for Detroit back then. And
Reggie Bush is in the news now because he's getting
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his Heisman trophy back after fourteen years. As it was
announced yesterday. The Heisman Trust cited fundamental changes and college
athletics in their decision, and I got to be honest
with you, I didn't know that this was that important
of a thing that we had to have people pound
the table for Reggie Bush to get his Heisman back,
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because it ain't like he was just innocent and was
accused of a bunch of stuff that didn't happen. It happened.
It's just the rules of change. But apparently Reggie Bush
needed to get his Heisman back, and that was the
outcry on social media from a lot of people, including
Johnny Manziel. I just didn't know it was that important.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
He's not wrong.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
I mean, it's not like, but yeah, this doesn't negate
him for whatever happened back then. It's just here's the
reality of the award. They shouldn't take into consideration anything
other than what's happening on the field. That's that's always
been my stance on these awards. This is not a
good Samaritan award, and not saying that Reggie is not
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a good Samaritan.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
He is.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I've worked with him, played against him. He's deserving of
this award. It never should have been taken away from him,
because the award never should be anything more than who's the.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Best player in college football. The reality is.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
College football is you can't write the story of college
football without including Reggie Bush like he was that special
of a player.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
He was.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
I'll say it, as far as my lifetime playing against
and since then watching players, he was the best college football.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I've never seen anyone who at that position in my
time playing and playing against him and afterwards be able
to impact the game the way he could, and so
he was deserving of it. He probably would have won
two if he went to Notre Dame. I'll just I've
told him that a number of times, because I think
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he would have played earlier on in his career and
gotten the ball more, and people would have seen what
he was capable of even earlier in his career, and
not just the five season and really even some of
the four season. So very deserving that he won the
award and then he's finally gotten it back. You know,
I'd make the case it's the criteria of the Heisman
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Trust that has led to this point. Like a lot
of people look back on the NCAA, and so it's
the NCAA that held well, the Heisman Trust is the
one that made the decision.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
This isn't the NCAAA.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
It's the Heisman Trust that then changed their tune as
to saying, well with the changing landscape. By the way,
this has happened for years, like and I always been
a part of college football for years, So why now?
Like what makes this quick change of judgment as to
awarding Reggie Bush.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
The Heisman Trophy?
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Now?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
And you know, is there a pending lawsuit? You know,
was there something that was coming up maybe that that
led to this. You know, who.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Ultimately knows, But I'm happy to see him get it
back because working with him, I know how much it
meant to him, and I know how much it hurt
him when when it was taken away. We had talked
a lot about his legacy and what it meant to
him in that regard, and so again, it doesn't absolve
him of what he was doing back then or what
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had taken place back then, but that doesn't mean that
he ever should have been taken away in the first place.
In my opinion, based on what the award really represents.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
I feel like there are complications to it because he
wasn't It's like people were acting on behalf of what
in all of this that took place. They were acting
on behalf of the school, like everything that was taking
place was to benefit USC. So to me, when I
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look at this, this is something that should have fallen
on the feet of who was monitoring, measuring what was
taking place with the school, because everybody out here has
something that would probably fall below the lines of it's legal,
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Like there's something out there on every school, everyone, every
single one. There's not one school that probably isn't culpable
in some way, shape or form of someone who's related
to the program that's working to make their program the
best program in the country. So to me, when I
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looked at why his heisman was taken from them, Okay,
the rules are the rules. Take his heisman, but take
the victories away. Return all the money back to all
of the ticket holders that went to those games, Return
the TV money back to the advertisers who advertised for
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those games. Like, just my whole thing is, don't stop
with one thing, don't pinpoint one thing, because it's too
complex to say Reggie Bush was the problem. So take
Reggie Bush's take his heisman from him. In the scenario
that played out, I just feel as though I was,
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but he wasn't the.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Only one who suffered that, right, Like you could actually
make the case that you know, outside of the heisman
being taken away, which which again was the heisman trust decision,
and it was their trust, their decision to give it back. Yep,
it's the NCAA that ended up then punishing USC after
Pete Carroll left, after you know, Reggie had left. Where
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those future players are the ones that really suffered, and
with the lack of scholarships and everything else that came
along with it, which I mean, look, and that's that's
one of the issues with the nca and any sort
of punishment that they delve out, it's always retroactive, and
so it hurts the future generations even though they had
nothing to do with it. But what you're touching on is, look,
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was their institutional instability, Yes, and that's what really went rampant.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And as far as you know what was going on,
you know, it could have been more than one.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
And maybe he did unfortunately become you know, one of
in a way, right, Like Pete Carroll obviously was overseeing
all of it. He just goes up to Seattle Seahawk.
Now he's a head coach in the NFL. It's like, well,
you're not going to face the burden.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Of any of this, Like there's nothing to this regard,
right he got up.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
All I'm saying is the NCAA came and did what
they were going to do the Mount I mean, hell,
throw the throw throw the Heisman trust in there, throw
the Heisman trophy. You don't think that they were able
to generate a ton of money off of Reggie Bush's
brand being attached to the Heisman in the end, give
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all the money back if if you're disqualifying him as
as to what he is. Then then return it all.
Don't just say okay, there's no retroactive because you're retroactively
punishing him. But everybody has reaped the benefits of what
Reggie Bush brought to the table.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
My understanding was if the money was returned from what
was allegedly taken, that he would.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Have gotten it back.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
He's never even acknowledged he did anything wrong, really, and
and like the school, like they lost thirty scholarships. They
I mean they, I mean, they've been a disaster since then.
And he's never really like stepped up and said or
apologized or anything like that. It's just been kind of
people have been pounding the table form. I just wish
people would be a little bit honest and just say, look,
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it's not actually his heisman trophy, it's OJ's that we refurbished.
If they would just say that, I think we can
all be on the same page.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Air took away.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
They didn't take away OJ's, by the way, well.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Because it all happened obviously after the fact, But.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Imagine that.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Imagine that it says juice on this, I don't worry
about it.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That'll come off.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Yeah. I just that's deep. I just I don't know.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
I just I'm happy he got is his award back
because at the end of the day, did what happened
have any bearing on what he what he earned on
the field.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Look, I think to Brady's points, Elpfishly, I'll say this,
I mean, if that's how he got to USC, then yeah,
it did because if he was at Notre Dame, maybe
we win some national championships.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I mean, that's the reality is. He was that special
of a player.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And I remember calling him back in high school and
trying to recruit him and like trying to get him
to come to Notre Dame because it was supposedly between
Southern cal and Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
And at that time, you know, obviously he wanted to
stay closer to home. That was one of the things.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
But the reality is, I'll say it again, I think
when you talk about brand, you know, and his brand,
you know, his his brand became what it was because
of his style of play and how unique it was
in the sense of his change in direction and his
highlight play making ability. I just felt like if he
would have came to Notre Dame, he probably would have
won two. I really do believe that he would have
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been the you know, the second after Archie Griffin because
of the highlights, because of the national exposure he would
have received, and especially early on in his career, that's
he would have been rusted into play. Uh, probably as
a freshman, you know, probably as a true freshman at
some times.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Can I ask you guys this, who's the greatest baseball
player you've ever seen? For me, it's very bonds. Yeah,
And and like I know, he's not going to get
in the Hall of Fame, but I know what I saw,
and I don't need him getting to the Hall of
Fame to justify or to sort of put a put
a cap on an incredible career. With all this stuff
behind the scenes and the allegations and scandals and steroids
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and all that stuff, Reggie Bush, whether he had his
Heisman or not, still one of the best football players
I've ever seen them. I'll say this as guy was unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
As a trophy winner.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
I won the buckets and and the beanerk and those
aren't anywhere close to being as as as reverence than
as respected as the Heisman. But nonetheless that's our heisman.
The Baneric is the defensive player of the year. That's
our heisman. Uh getting the buckets to me as a linebacker,
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that's a high and that's a part of my ultimate legacy.
I get to say that I want the buckets. I
represent what would be considered the best linebacker in the country.
I would not want to leave here based upon my
legacy and what that means to like, generations upon generations
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of my family.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
When I'm long gone from here, will.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
Have the ability to go to the College Football Hall
of Fame, to go to Penn State's Hall of Fame,
to go through the Penn State Football Building, multiple places
where they can see what somebody who is a part
of them directly from years and years ago, is there
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yea like to me, that's he I feel like he
was fighting for his legacy to have that heisman like
shore people acknowledge it. But the fact that it was
not being acknowledged by the Heisman Trust, the heisman itself,
to me, I.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Feel like that that would hurt.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
And I know it would hurt because I felt like
I was in jeopardy when all of this, the Sandusky
scandal that took place at Penn State.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
They wiped our record clean. So my.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Mike buckets year would have been wiped clean. Had they
vacated the victories and kept it that way, it would.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Have gone that far to where they would take away individually.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
It goes back to my freshman year. Yeah, it would
have went back. My freshman year would have been the
only year that counted and I didn't even play. So
the idea of it is I would have literally never
had a career at Penn State, you know what I mean.
So I know it from from a more intimate, a
more intimate level. Or I didn't break any rules, but
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somebody else's actions dictated what the ultimate you know, legacy
and the history of what I was able to accomplish
as a player with my teammates, and it was it was.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
A very intense feeling to know that everything that we did.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
All the hard work, all the preparation, the off season,
the winner workouts, the training camps, the leading up to
the games, all of it was for not It's just that's,
you know, for what it's worth. You took the money,
you broke the rules. Okay, if that's what it is,
then then stand on. That's that's I have no problem
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with that. The idea of the rules being broken but
when you're talking about if you're looking at it from
any other perspective, and I know, for me, I didn't
break any rules, So I'm looking at it from a
perspective of it's purely about my legacy. So if Reggie
Bush felt as though it was someone else that was
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more culpable, even if it was a family member, if
it was not me that was doing this rule breaking,
which I don't know the exact details, I don't know
if Reggie Bush took the money, it could have been.
I always was under the impression that it was a
family member that took the money.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
That was what I had gotten. But if I'm wrong,
I'm wrong.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
But if that is the case, and that's the scenario
where a family member was benefiting from somebody else during
the course of this time, and I'm Reggie Bush, I
do not want my legacy being ruined based off of
somebody else's decisions that were connected to me.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Look at it.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, and it goes back to the initial point. It's
why it makes it much simpler. You just say, what
did the guy do on the field? Was he the
best player?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
There you go, Like it doesn't need to get more
complicated than that, and that's unfortunately, where I think some
of these awards have gotten is they try. I mean
even the Hall of Fame, you know, the NFL Hall
of Fame, Like you see guys who should get in,
but well how they treat to me?
Speaker 5 (14:58):
How are they?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
And it's like, well, that's not really like how we
viewed that point.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I still don't get it.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
It's just he's the case figure for a guy that,
no doubt was one of the greatest wide receivers ever
do it.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And yet you know people, well you know how he
treated the me.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
It's like what because he was doing abs, because he's
got a twelve pack and he was doing abs outside
of his home, Like what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Like like, what what's there not to what's that Hall
of Fame worthy?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, it's uh. I just I look at it and
I go best player, one of the best players I've
ever seen. That run Reggie Bush had against was it
a pass? Oh my god?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Man?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Like he was so good?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Sorry Eddie, Yes, sorry Eddie, Sorry Eddie. Sorry to reminisce
on Reggie Bush's run against Fresno State. I'm sorry, bro,
I'll never forget he was so good.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Man.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Did I tell you we like we watched, like as
an entire team, we watched their Arizona Stake game before
we played him in OH five and and Charlie Weis
was our head coach at the time. The reason why
he did it was because he wanted our entire offense
to understand how good Reggie was, like, how like what
our defense had to go up against, and so in
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order for us to even have a chance at winning,
it wasn't just us playing the defense.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
We were playing their offense.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Like we had to run the ball, we had to
control the clock, we had to limit their possessions, like
he wanted us to see it. And I've always said
this to people. He was one of the only players
where when I was watching it, every time he touched
the ball against Arizona State that year, when we're watching
this game, it like would take your breath away.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
You were like, oh, we could take it, Like like
every single time, You're like, he's gonna take the house.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
There was never another player, at least that I played
against or afterwards where I felt like, every single time
he touched the ball, he can make eleven dudes mess
and take it.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
To the house.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Mine is Peter Ward I mean, I just got to
put it out there. Greatest greatest college ballplayer in terms
of that element, Peter Warck was mine. I've never seen
anything like it, and I probably probably i'd say, I mean,
Reggie Bush was as close as it came to seeing that.
But just just since we're having the conversation, I got
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to make sure because I you know, oh, he's got
to make sure I put it out there, because that's
put it out there, you know.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
It's yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Well, the other thing is like I almost I was
almost going to stay in my lifetime. But you know,
Barry Sanders was at Oklahoma State. Yeah, when when I
was like boy, like I was, he's really really young.
So I don't recall Barry Sanders as a Oklahoma State cowboy.
I remember him as a Detroit lion. But when you
go back and look at what he was able to accomplish, crazy,
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it's silly, Like it is silly for a few games
as he played, and the production that he had in
an era too where back then it wasn't like they
weren't loaded up the box to stop the run. Things
weren't spread out, it wasn't like that, and he was
still having the production he had as it was just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Well, my two favorite college football players of all time,
Thank you, Brady Quinn and Lebar Arrington.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Oh that's sweet very much, until.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Until my nephew starts playing in Middle Tennessee next year.
Then you guys can kiss my ass or or or.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Melee.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah that one. Whether if you could spell that, I'll
buy your rolls voice.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Yeah I can't even, but it's funny. I got it.
I got a lion that's named Mondevu, so yeah, well
look and we both named them from the same program.
So there you go.
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Speaker 2 (19:37):
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Speaker 8 (19:38):
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Speaker 2 (19:42):
It's over, under and away we go. Come get this
smoke in the first round?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Ten and oh.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Is that what you think you're gonna go?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Hell, yes, that's what I usually do.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Okay, you don't it's usually oh and ten? What are
we And oh that's got an exaggeration.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
No, that's uh, that's definitely more more so the case
that's I'm bringing up old stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Let's go, Lee, I'm ready to.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Let's go to a new draft.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
New draft.
Speaker 8 (20:09):
Well, guys, all these odds are you can find all
these on our friends site at DraftKings. But let's start
off with this one draft day trades over under six
and a half round one, Round one, Yes, under, I.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Think under, but it might be close, man, I think
there might be six six.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Yeah, I'm I'm gonna take the over on this.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
LeVar.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Let's let's kind of middle Jonas just to make sure
that he doesn't win.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, I got your middle right here. I'm ready to go.
Let's rock that might that.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
Might allude to this next one. JJ McCarthy draft position
five and a half.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Over over, So he's gonna go beyond five? Is what? Yes?
Six or six or later? Yeah, I'm gonna take the over.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
All right, guys, how about this Michael Pennix Junior? Is
that thirty two and a half under under?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Ooh ooh, I'm gonna take the over.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Like, by the way, are you sid with thirty two
and a half feels really high? Like I can't imagine
he gets past the teams. Like if JJ McCarthy's gone,
say it's six and Michael Pennock Junior is the next
guy on the board, I mean, Denver is gonna be
sitting there if Minnesota hasn't been able to pull off
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a move to get up to for JJ McCarthy, the
Raiders will be there like thirty two and a half.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You have to look at it this way. If he
makes it past some of.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Those teams, oh yeah, over yeah, there have to be
something to trade up to take him at that point.
So all the draft, you know, quarterback needy teams at
the top of the draft, the ones in the middle,
you know they you can make the case. Obviously, you
know Denver lost Vegas Minnesota, but you know Minnesota would
have taken him.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
But they even their.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Second first round pick if they don't take them with
their first. So it's kind of like once you get
past a certain point, like there's no teams that need
a quarterback, so they would take a trade up.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That's right.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
Fun fun fact, bo Nix is also at thirty two
and a half. But if you did take the under
on either of those, you probably gonna take the over
on this. Total number of quarterbacks in the first round
on DraftKings is at four and a.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Half over over like five.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Think it's gonna be fi I mean, I haven't lost
one year.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
But Pennix could fall to the second. I think he could.
I think he could fall to the second.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I don't think he's gonna fall, but that's just me.
You know Bo Nicks might bo next.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Night, but I'm gonna take the I'm gonna take the over.
I'm gonna take the over.
Speaker 8 (22:47):
All, right, guys, drafts that cry on stage today one
and a.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Half the players, Yes, over, oh under, we'll be too happy.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Well, Caleb Williams my cry twice over over. Yeah, I
was gonna say.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
No, I'm gonna say under on this, I'll take. I'm
gonna take that. Listen.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
This is emotional, man, these are dreams coming true.
Speaker 9 (23:12):
All right.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Not everybody's so cold. Some people have a heart.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Are you taking the over?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Hell? Yeah, I'm taking.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Let's move on.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
What else we got, guys, Brock Power, Brock Powers draft
positions at twelve and a half Bowers Powers, that's it's powers. Yeah,
this is a Powers position position.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Leave the Dave Chappelle jokes alone. I will take the underly.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Well that's the difference that it starts with a W.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
But I hear you Rock Powers, I'll be I'll take
the underly.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Oh man, what is it again? What's the.
Speaker 8 (23:59):
Twelve and a half for brock Bauers twelve.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
And a half.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
I'm gonna take the I'm gonna take the over.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I'm gonna take the under. Then middling Jonas.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
Fellows running backs selected in the first round?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Is that a half.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Under? I'm gonna take.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
There's no no runbacks taking yeah, so under.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Means not in the first first round? Correct?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
And by the way, I think I think the money
on the over is at like plus eight hundred.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Oh, Jonas, take it, do it, do it.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Now, Lee, I'm gonna take the under. I don't think
a running back goes in the first round.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
Lame well, guys, offensive players drafted in the first round
is the highest we've we've seen twenty one and a half.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Over.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It's a new it's a new era of football.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Over.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
A lot of people would say defense doesn't even matter anymore.
I'll say the over.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
That's a lot day.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Twenty one and a half. M LeVar, where are you going?
Speaker 5 (25:03):
I'm gonna take the under, all right, I'll take the over.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
That way one has a chance against Jonas.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
How do I know why? It's not like Jonas is
good at picking this stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
So you know that I haven't lost one yet. That's
the problem.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
That's not sure.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
This is fear like Brady's hedging his bets. No pun
intended because he knows. Damn he's on a heater right now.
And you know when I go on heaters, watch out, Yeah,
you might crap your pants.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
How about the SEC guys SEC players drafted in the
first round nine and a half.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I will take the under.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Under nine and a half.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
I'm gonna take the under.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I will take the do this is include though Texas?
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I was just gonna ask that, all right, thank you?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Under?
Speaker 4 (25:59):
So they're not included, okay, because they got a couple
of guys that can add to that mix.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
But you know, somebody, you know that, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
It's like noted that they're not included.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
Well, when I look at they have, you know, the
Big ten, Big twelve, PAC twelve, So the fact that
they have seven and a half for the PAC twelve.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, I think it's it's yeah, but it's gotta be
clearly indicated in like the bet, it'll say contingent on
if Texas or Oklahoma's in it. But you know, if
there's a loophole in this, somebody's gonna lose and complain
about it and they're gonna bitch and moan on Twitch.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I will say under. I'll say under.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
Last one fellas dogs that we see in the first
round of the Draft.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Two and a half god and commercials.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
No at residences of the draftees.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Oh god man, what over?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
I'm gonna take the under.
Speaker 8 (26:50):
You can find it. You can find it out there.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
What do you take under?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
LeVar?
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Yeah, I'm gonna take the under.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I mean, so they just have to be in the
room with a crowded room of people.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I'm so sick of people's dogs.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
I think I'm taking under. I just I don't think
there's maybe dogs in the picture. I think fortunately the
dogs probably the last thought.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
I think there's gonna be at least one.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Who let the dog out of the bat?
Speaker 8 (27:19):
Oh man, I think there's at least one one drafty
with two dogs. What there's gonna be at least one
family room that has like two dogs running around.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I don't doubt that there's gonna be players with families
that have multiple dogs. It's the fact that there's gonna
be so many people that are on camera instead of
the dogs. Like, I don't think that the dogs are
gonna be fighting for camera.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
Tan No, And everyone gets excited and yelling and jumping
up and down.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
So does the dog.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
And by the way, you know somebody's gonna put their
draft hat on the dog and do some cheesy cornball
picture to try and go viral. I'm tired of people's dogs.
If it's not mister Styx, it doesn't count. Damn.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
How is mister Styx far?
Speaker 5 (28:01):
He's getting big, He's getting really big.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Is he potty Training's all good? Yeah, he's pretty close.
He says he's had a couple accidents, but not nothing major.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
But he's yeah, he's doing really well, doing really well.
Cool dog. You guys, you meet him, you'll really like
pretty dog. Yeah, he's pretty good looking. He's a good
looking dog. Good looking dog.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I'm gonna take the under I love do. I just
feel like again.
Speaker 8 (28:27):
Now funny enough, there's a prop out there for cats
as well.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
That's that a half oh got cats would take the
over taking on that one too, No, man, I actually
I think cats are starting to get phased out because
people realize, like one big cat is they're just an
a hole. Like I don't want to deal with an
a hole who I feed and try and butter up
to every single day only to get clawed at. So
it's like it's I think there's probably cats are on
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the decline to be honest with you, Sully getting phased out.
They'll be the Dodo bird, gone bird, more cayo these
less cats. That's how this works, all right.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
So there it is.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
That'll be ten and oh for me? Uh so, Lee,
you don't even have to keep count of this.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
We have a separate bet on Jonas not.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
We need to do an over under on how many
Jonas gets right at?
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Uh what was just to know he claims to going.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I went odds. I'm taking the under.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, I'm taking a bunch of haters.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Man.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
What by the way, if I lose, because I'll give
you four to one odds, let me tell you something.
If I lose because of the damn dogs, I'm out
on mister sticks too. Wo Yeah. If I'm nine and
oh and I lose that one and it's on the
dog prop, I'm out on mister sticks. Sorry. Decisions have
to be made here.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
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Speaker 2 (29:55):
Right now, he is Albert Breer and he is in
Senior NFL reporter lead content strategist at the MMQB. You
can get them on x at Albert Breer, AB what's happening?
Happy draft?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Ay to you?
Speaker 9 (30:06):
Hey, what's up?
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Jonas?
Speaker 9 (30:07):
How you doing?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I'm good now. I am curious because you put out
your I do like the fact that you let it
be known you're one and only mock draft. All right,
you're too good for this version two point zero three
point zher. You can't be bothered with that crap because
you're Albert Breer. So I got to know.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (30:26):
I don't know if you uh, I don't know if
you've paid attention to the media news over the last
couple of months. But it's been tumultuous, uh, most of
the time for sports illustrating. I have aver I may
I may have been able to may have been able
to fly through without.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Doing two or three mocks.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Here is there a Is there a pick or a
prediction in your mock draft that you look at and
you go, I feel like that's the one that's that's
going to be a surprise. You're going to go elsewhere
that now that you look back on it out that
it's all completed, you're waiting for tonight.
Speaker 9 (30:59):
Yeah, I mean, I I feel like a little uncomfortable.
I'll give you a few things I feel a little
uncomfortable about. I feel a little uncomfortable about not giving
the Broncos bone Nicks, just because I think, like the
more I think about it, the more it's like, are
they going to go into the season with Jared'skinnam and
Zach Wilson? You know. Now, I think if they do
wind up with bone Nicks, like it'll be some sort
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of creative solution because they don't have a second round pick,
so you could they move down. Maybe a team comes
up for a tackle, tries to get in front of
New Orleans to go and get you know, one of
the top tackles. You know, that's possible. And I think
if they move down, then maybe I feel okay, Like
now they're probably now now and now Nicks is really
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in play for them, you know, leaving the Vikings at
eleven and be a gamble for them to stay at
eleven and not move up. But I think they'd really
like to keep the twenty third pick and use it
on a defensive player if they can, and still you know,
get JJ McCarthy. So you know, I certainly think, you know, like,
could they move up with the Giants, and six of
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the Giants are looking to move down? Could they move
up with the you know, with the with the with
the Titans, you know, the relationship between the general managers there.
I think that that's possible too, you know, But I
feel pretty good about the top. I'd say the top seven.
I feel pretty good about like the way that that's
gonna play out, you know, with the three quarterbacks going
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at the top. I think Drake may will go third. Overall,
I think it will either be to the Patriots the
Giants of the Vikings, but I think ultimately the Patriots
will stick at three and take them. Would be my guest,
you know, Marvin at four. Feel pretty solid about that.
I don't know if anybody's gonna bowl over arizon'ta what
an offer. I think that the Chargers and Titans will
take tackles at five and seven if they stick, and
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I think one will get all the other one I'll
get lay them. And then my guess is the Giants
will take a receiver at six.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Awesome, Hey, Albert, do you feel like you guys missed
out on an opportunity at s I.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I mean, you guys could have done like your versus
a I. You know, that would comparison, right, Yeah, that's
a good way that it's not familiar with AI, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (33:10):
Yeah, well I I uh yeah, I'm just glad. I'm
just glad that I could help fuel the betting on now,
you know what I mean, because there's a lot of
AI happening over there, and uh, you know, apparently, like
I've had to hear how all the sharks have all
the all the sharks have all their their sources and
everything else. But uh, my guess is they're doing what
everybody else is, which is reading people like me and
getting all their information that way. Wow, all right for
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you there you go.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Yeah, I'm not going to take any jabs at you,
ab don't worry. I'm just going to ask you.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
I'm not bitter morning, I'm not fitter worn now this morning?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
All right?
Speaker 5 (33:45):
All right?
Speaker 6 (33:46):
In terms of looking at the conversation surrounding the quarterbacks,
does it does it get more intensified the closer we
get to the draft starting or does it kind of
relatively stay the same. Because there's some people that are
saying that Drake may versus Jake Daniels or Jake Daniels
versus Drake May then you you're hearing JJ McCarthy's name
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kind of entering into the mix to be a higher
draft pick. Does does that intensify like or is it
kind of just kind of overstate.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
It right now?
Speaker 8 (34:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (34:17):
I mean I think I think for most of these teams,
well all of them, the Hayes in the barn now,
you know. And you know, look like the Giants went
out to a Yankees game the other night, the the
Dolphins brought their scouts to a Panthers playoff game. You know.
I had one team like had their had the completion
of their weight loss challenge for coaches and scouts, you know,
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on Wednesdays. So I think, you know, what the last
week has been, but what the last few days have
been is sort of you know, starting to work the
phones and working through trades scenarios, but the evaluations are done,
you know, and and and this week in a lot
of ways, it's sort of a celebration for for the
scouts and the personnel department and in the completion of
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you know, what is their year. You know, like this
is the same way, like you know, coaches work here
kind of ends at the end of the season. You know,
scouts work here, ends at the draft. So you know,
I don't think that there's much movement on boards. You know,
on on Wednesday and Thursday of Draft week, all of
that stuff is done. Teams know where they're at with
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their quarterbacks, they know where they're at with the receivers
of the tackles, and you know, I think what's left
now is what's going to happen for a trade standpoint.
So the Patriots, for example, I think really like Drake
May at three. I think the Giants and Vikings have
some motivation to go up and and and see if
they can get them, and so you know, that still
needs to play out a little bit. I think the
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Patriots stick Arizona. Like I said, like they've sort of
put out the signal to teams like we're not going
to move until we're on the clock. So is there
a team that is desperate enough to go up and
get JJ McCarthy at four. I don't think that's going
to happen. I think the Cardinals wind up sticking. But
you know, that's where I think, like the tension of draft,
it can kind of get you. It can affect the
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trade market, but I don't think it affects the evaluation
as much.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, senior
NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB. So the
Bears second pick in the top ten is sitting at
nine in your mock draft, you have them going with
the leak neighbors, but they only have four picks in
the draft. Is there the potential that they could try
and acquire more capital by moving back with a team
trying to get aggressive?
Speaker 9 (36:27):
Yes, now, And I think I think Ryan Poul said
it publicly. The trade positions are sort of focused on,
you know, the quarterback taking care of it. One are
offensive line, pass rusher, and receiver, Like they'd like to
come away with one of each. And if you look
at it, they've only got you know, two additional picks
past one in the top one hundred, and that's the
ninth pick and the seventy fifth pick, And so I
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think they'd like to spin that ninth pick into more
unless there's a special opportunity there. And the way I
have it playing out is that special opportunity right just
you know, with Molakue Neighbors slipping nine. You know, I
think ultimately the approach that the Ryan Poles you've already
seen it, but the appos approach Ryan Poles is going
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to take in building around Caleb Williams is going to
be similar to you know what he was a part
of in Kansas City when Patrick Mahomes was young and
when they were really aggressive and you know, going and
getting guys like Sammy Watkins on the market to add
to what they already had drafting Nicole Hartman high adding
to what they already had with Tyreek Hill and Kareem Hunt,
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those guys. I think you'll see them take a similar approach.
And if there's an opportunity to add somebody the view
who's really special at nine, then they don't move. If
they look at it to like let's say Neighbors has
gone and you know they don't few Bowers or a
Dunde as that sort of player, then I certainly think
they would look at at moving down, picking up more
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capital and and maybe addressing the offensive line, you know,
later in the first round. And and then if they
can pick up a Day two pick that would give
them an opportunity to address receiver.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
There but we don't have much time. So I got
a couple quick questions for you.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
What team that maybe isn't from the outside in need
of a quarterback that could take one in your mind?
And then the other question is we heard Trey Hendrickson
say he wants to be traded. Now there is ms
of Brendan Ayuk was gonna be traded at some point.
What veteran player gets traded tonight? Do you think you're
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gonna say this is the guy who I think it's
dealt tonight?
Speaker 9 (38:27):
Okay, So well, first of all, the teams that I
that I think could you should keep an eye on
for quarterback, like Seattle with Tennis potentially and the Rams
with UH with bone Nicks. Like that's a connection. I've
heard from a few different people over the last couple
of weeks.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
You know.
Speaker 9 (38:47):
I here's the thing, Brady. It's really interesting about it
to me is I pay attention to who likes too,
you know what I mean? Like, and I think it's
interesting like on Drake May that the Vikings and the
Giants are teams that are in on him, because that's
Brian Davell and Kevin O'Connell, right, I sort of feel
the same way about bone Knicks. Now, I look at
who's in on bon Nicks, Well, it's the Broncos and
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the Rams. That's Sean Payton and Sean McVay. Like, I
sort of think that that might mean something about who
the player is, you know what I mean. So I
think that sort of thing's worth paying attention to. I say,
the Rams could be one curveball team that takes a
quarterback higher than you might think, you know. And then
just as far as veteran players being moved, you know,
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like Henderson makes more sense to me. Here's the thing, Like,
I think it's going to be hard with the receivers now,
and then there's the development of the last forty of
the over the last forty eight hours. Right, So with
your Higgins, with your you know, with your Brandon Ayuk,
with your like like a J. Brown, I think will
be a little bit more, a little bit different because
he's under contract. But look at what I'm on ros
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Saint Brown got, Like, if you look at the real
money in that deal, he's getting about twenty eight million
dollars a year. So if you're a team potentially trading
for IU, trading for Higgins, right, they're only under contract
for another year. How much harder did it get to
resign those guys? Now? You know what I mean? Like
because if you're one of those guys, if you're Higgins
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or Ayuk, then Saint Brown just got twenty eight. Well
you're not going for less than thirty, right, So I
think that that could complicate a trade. And that's why
I would say like a Hendrickson might be a little
bit more likely, or even like again, like an AJ Brown,
is the egos were to stumble into a receiver solution,
would they listen a little bit more on AJ Brown?
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I wouldn't totally rule that out, although I don't think
it's likely because teams have called an acquired and they've
shut them down up until now.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Get them on Twitter or ex at Albert Breer. He'll
have everything and all everything set and covered for you
when it comes to the NFL Draft and he trades
updates and either reporting out there. Albert Breer is the
guy to go to on that ab. We appreciate it,
enjoy tonight. We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
Thanks Aby, Thanks guy.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
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Speaker 3 (41:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
So the draft is later on tonight in Detroit, which
is interesting because Detroit, you could argue, is also where
Reggie Bush had his best season of his career in
the NFL with the Lions. Played there a couple of
years and was pretty good for Detroit back then. And
Reggie Bush is in the news now because he's getting
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his Heisman trophy back after fourteen years. As it was
announced yesterday. The Heisman Trust cited fundamental changes and college
athletics in their decision, and I got to be honest
with you, I didn't know that this was that important
of a thing that we had to have people pound
the table for Reggie Bush to get his Heisman back,
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because it ain't like he was just innocent and was
accused of a bunch of stuff that didn't happen. It happened.
It's just the rules of change. But apparently Reggie Bush
needed to get his Heisman back, and that was the
outcry on social media from a lot of people, including
Johnny Manziel. I just didn't know it was that important.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
He's not wrong.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
I mean, it's not like, but yeah, this doesn't negate
him for whatever happened back then. It's just here's the
reality of the award. They shouldn't take into consideration anything
other than what's happening on the field. That's that's always
been my stance on these awards. This is not a
good Samaritan award, and not saying that Reggie is not
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a good Samaritan.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
He is.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I've worked with him, played against him. He's deserving of
this award. It never should have been taken away from him,
because the award never should be anything more than who's the.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Best player in college football. The reality is.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
College football is you can't write the story of college
football without including Reggie Bush like he was that special
of a player.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
He was.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
I'll say it, as far as my lifetime playing against
and since then watching players, he was the best college football.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I've never seen anyone who at that position in my
time playing and playing against him and afterwards be able
to impact the game the way he could, and so
he was deserving of it. He probably would have won
two if he went to Notre Dame. I'll just I've
told him that a number of times, because I think
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he would have played earlier on in his career and
gotten the ball more, and people would have seen what
he was capable of even earlier in his career, and
not just the five season and really even some of
the four season. So very deserving that he won the
award and then he's finally gotten it back. You know,
I'd make the case it's the criteria of the Heisman
(02:58):
Trust that has led to this point. Like a lot
of people look back on the NCAA, and so it's
the NCAA that held well, the Heisman Trust is the
one that made the decision.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
This isn't the NCAAA.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
It's the Heisman Trust that then changed their tune as
to saying, well with the changing landscape. By the way,
this has happened for years, like and I always been
a part of college football for years, So why now?
Like what makes this quick change of judgment as to
awarding Reggie Bush.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
The Heisman Trophy?
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Now?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
And you know, is there a pending lawsuit? You know,
was there something that was coming up maybe that that
led to this. You know, who.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Ultimately knows, But I'm happy to see him get it
back because working with him, I know how much it
meant to him, and I know how much it hurt
him when when it was taken away. We had talked
a lot about his legacy and what it meant to
him in that regard, and so again, it doesn't absolve
him of what he was doing back then or what
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had taken place back then, but that doesn't mean that
he ever should have been taken away in the first place.
In my opinion, based on what the award really represents.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
I feel like there are complications to it because he
wasn't It's like people were acting on behalf of what
in all of this that took place. They were acting
on behalf of the school, like everything that was taking
place was to benefit USC. So to me, when I
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look at this, this is something that should have fallen
on the feet of who was monitoring, measuring what was
taking place with the school, because everybody out here has
something that would probably fall below the lines of it's legal,
(04:52):
Like there's something out there on every school, everyone, every
single one. There's not one school that probably isn't culpable
in some way, shape or form of someone who's related
to the program that's working to make their program the
best program in the country. So to me, when I
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looked at why his heisman was taken from them, Okay,
the rules are the rules. Take his heisman, but take
the victories away. Return all the money back to all
of the ticket holders that went to those games, Return
the TV money back to the advertisers who advertised for
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those games. Like, just my whole thing is, don't stop
with one thing, don't pinpoint one thing, because it's too
complex to say Reggie Bush was the problem. So take
Reggie Bush's take his heisman from him. In the scenario
that played out, I just feel as though I was,
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but he wasn't the.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Only one who suffered that, right, Like you could actually
make the case that you know, outside of the heisman
being taken away, which which again was the heisman trust decision,
and it was their trust, their decision to give it back. Yep,
it's the NCAA that ended up then punishing USC after
Pete Carroll left, after you know, Reggie had left. Where
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those future players are the ones that really suffered, and
with the lack of scholarships and everything else that came
along with it, which I mean, look, and that's that's
one of the issues with the nca and any sort
of punishment that they delve out, it's always retroactive, and
so it hurts the future generations even though they had
nothing to do with it. But what you're touching on is, look,
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was their institutional instability, Yes, and that's what really went rampant.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And as far as you know what was going on,
you know, it could have been more than one.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
And maybe he did unfortunately become you know, one of
in a way, right, Like Pete Carroll obviously was overseeing
all of it. He just goes up to Seattle Seahawk.
Now he's a head coach in the NFL. It's like, well,
you're not going to face the burden.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Of any of this, Like there's nothing to this regard,
right he got up.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
All I'm saying is the NCAA came and did what
they were going to do the Mount I mean, hell,
throw the throw throw the Heisman trust in there, throw
the Heisman trophy. You don't think that they were able
to generate a ton of money off of Reggie Bush's
brand being attached to the Heisman in the end, give
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all the money back if if you're disqualifying him as
as to what he is. Then then return it all.
Don't just say okay, there's no retroactive because you're retroactively
punishing him. But everybody has reaped the benefits of what
Reggie Bush brought to the table.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
My understanding was if the money was returned from what
was allegedly taken, that he would.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Have gotten it back.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
He's never even acknowledged he did anything wrong, really, and
and like the school, like they lost thirty scholarships. They
I mean they, I mean, they've been a disaster since then.
And he's never really like stepped up and said or
apologized or anything like that. It's just been kind of
people have been pounding the table form. I just wish
people would be a little bit honest and just say, look,
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it's not actually his heisman trophy, it's OJ's that we refurbished.
If they would just say that, I think we can
all be on the same page.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Air took away.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
They didn't take away OJ's, by the way, well.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Because it all happened obviously after the fact, But.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Imagine that.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Imagine that it says juice on this, I don't worry
about it.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That'll come off.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Yeah. I just that's deep. I just I don't know.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
I just I'm happy he got is his award back
because at the end of the day, did what happened
have any bearing on what he what he earned on
the field.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Look, I think to Brady's points, Elpfishly, I'll say this,
I mean, if that's how he got to USC, then yeah,
it did because if he was at Notre Dame, maybe
we win some national championships.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I mean, that's the reality is. He was that special
of a player.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And I remember calling him back in high school and
trying to recruit him and like trying to get him
to come to Notre Dame because it was supposedly between
Southern cal and Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
And at that time, you know, obviously he wanted to
stay closer to home. That was one of the things.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
But the reality is, I'll say it again, I think
when you talk about brand, you know, and his brand,
you know, his his brand became what it was because
of his style of play and how unique it was
in the sense of his change in direction and his
highlight play making ability. I just felt like if he
would have came to Notre Dame, he probably would have
won two. I really do believe that he would have
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been the you know, the second after Archie Griffin because
of the highlights, because of the national exposure he would
have received, and especially early on in his career, that's
he would have been rusted into play. Uh, probably as
a freshman, you know, probably as a true freshman at
some times.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Can I ask you guys this, who's the greatest baseball
player you've ever seen? For me, it's very bonds. Yeah,
And and like I know, he's not going to get
in the Hall of Fame, but I know what I saw,
and I don't need him getting to the Hall of
Fame to justify or to sort of put a put
a cap on an incredible career. With all this stuff
behind the scenes and the allegations and scandals and steroids
(10:25):
and all that stuff, Reggie Bush, whether he had his
Heisman or not, still one of the best football players
I've ever seen them. I'll say this as guy was unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
As a trophy winner.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
I won the buckets and and the beanerk and those
aren't anywhere close to being as as as reverence than
as respected as the Heisman. But nonetheless that's our heisman.
The Baneric is the defensive player of the year. That's
our heisman. Uh getting the buckets to me as a linebacker,
(10:59):
that's a high and that's a part of my ultimate legacy.
I get to say that I want the buckets. I
represent what would be considered the best linebacker in the country.
I would not want to leave here based upon my
legacy and what that means to like, generations upon generations
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of my family.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
When I'm long gone from here, will.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
Have the ability to go to the College Football Hall
of Fame, to go to Penn State's Hall of Fame,
to go through the Penn State Football Building, multiple places
where they can see what somebody who is a part
of them directly from years and years ago, is there
(11:50):
yea like to me, that's he I feel like he
was fighting for his legacy to have that heisman like
shore people acknowledge it. But the fact that it was
not being acknowledged by the Heisman Trust, the heisman itself,
to me, I.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Feel like that that would hurt.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
And I know it would hurt because I felt like
I was in jeopardy when all of this, the Sandusky
scandal that took place at Penn State.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
They wiped our record clean. So my.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Mike buckets year would have been wiped clean. Had they
vacated the victories and kept it that way, it would.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Have gone that far to where they would take away individually.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
It goes back to my freshman year. Yeah, it would
have went back. My freshman year would have been the
only year that counted and I didn't even play. So
the idea of it is I would have literally never
had a career at Penn State, you know what I mean.
So I know it from from a more intimate, a
more intimate level. Or I didn't break any rules, but
(12:55):
somebody else's actions dictated what the ultimate you know, legacy
and the history of what I was able to accomplish
as a player with my teammates, and it was it was.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
A very intense feeling to know that everything that we did.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
All the hard work, all the preparation, the off season,
the winner workouts, the training camps, the leading up to
the games, all of it was for not It's just that's,
you know, for what it's worth. You took the money,
you broke the rules. Okay, if that's what it is,
then then stand on. That's that's I have no problem
(13:34):
with that. The idea of the rules being broken but
when you're talking about if you're looking at it from
any other perspective, and I know, for me, I didn't
break any rules, So I'm looking at it from a
perspective of it's purely about my legacy. So if Reggie
Bush felt as though it was someone else that was
(13:55):
more culpable, even if it was a family member, if
it was not me that was doing this rule breaking,
which I don't know the exact details, I don't know
if Reggie Bush took the money, it could have been.
I always was under the impression that it was a
family member that took the money.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
That was what I had gotten. But if I'm wrong,
I'm wrong.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
But if that is the case, and that's the scenario
where a family member was benefiting from somebody else during
the course of this time, and I'm Reggie Bush, I
do not want my legacy being ruined based off of
somebody else's decisions that were connected to me.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Look at it.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, and it goes back to the initial point. It's
why it makes it much simpler. You just say, what
did the guy do on the field? Was he the
best player?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
There you go, Like it doesn't need to get more
complicated than that, and that's unfortunately, where I think some
of these awards have gotten is they try. I mean
even the Hall of Fame, you know, the NFL Hall
of Fame, Like you see guys who should get in,
but well how they treat to me?
Speaker 5 (14:58):
How are they?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
And it's like, well, that's not really like how we
viewed that point.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I still don't get it.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
It's just he's the case figure for a guy that,
no doubt was one of the greatest wide receivers ever
do it.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And yet you know people, well you know how he
treated the me.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
It's like what because he was doing abs, because he's
got a twelve pack and he was doing abs outside
of his home, Like what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Like like, what what's there not to what's that Hall
of Fame worthy?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, it's uh. I just I look at it and
I go best player, one of the best players I've
ever seen. That run Reggie Bush had against was it
a pass? Oh my god?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Man?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Like he was so good?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Sorry Eddie, Yes, sorry Eddie, Sorry Eddie. Sorry to reminisce
on Reggie Bush's run against Fresno State. I'm sorry, bro,
I'll never forget he was so good.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Man.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Did I tell you we like we watched, like as
an entire team, we watched their Arizona Stake game before
we played him in OH five and and Charlie Weis
was our head coach at the time. The reason why
he did it was because he wanted our entire offense
to understand how good Reggie was, like, how like what
our defense had to go up against, and so in
(16:07):
order for us to even have a chance at winning,
it wasn't just us playing the defense.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
We were playing their offense.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Like we had to run the ball, we had to
control the clock, we had to limit their possessions, like
he wanted us to see it. And I've always said
this to people. He was one of the only players
where when I was watching it, every time he touched
the ball against Arizona State that year, when we're watching
this game, it like would take your breath away.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
You were like, oh, we could take it, Like like
every single time, You're like, he's gonna take the house.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
There was never another player, at least that I played
against or afterwards where I felt like, every single time
he touched the ball, he can make eleven dudes mess
and take it.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
To the house.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Mine is Peter Ward I mean, I just got to
put it out there. Greatest greatest college ballplayer in terms
of that element, Peter Warck was mine. I've never seen
anything like it, and I probably probably i'd say, I mean,
Reggie Bush was as close as it came to seeing that.
But just just since we're having the conversation, I got
(17:08):
to make sure because I you know, oh, he's got
to make sure I put it out there, because that's
put it out there, you know.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
It's yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Well, the other thing is like I almost I was
almost going to stay in my lifetime. But you know,
Barry Sanders was at Oklahoma State. Yeah, when when I
was like boy, like I was, he's really really young.
So I don't recall Barry Sanders as a Oklahoma State cowboy.
I remember him as a Detroit lion. But when you
go back and look at what he was able to accomplish, crazy,
(17:35):
it's silly, Like it is silly for a few games
as he played, and the production that he had in
an era too where back then it wasn't like they
weren't loaded up the box to stop the run. Things
weren't spread out, it wasn't like that, and he was
still having the production he had as it was just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Well, my two favorite college football players of all time,
Thank you, Brady Quinn and Lebar Arrington.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Oh that's sweet very much, until.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Until my nephew starts playing in Middle Tennessee next year.
Then you guys can kiss my ass or or or.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Melee.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah that one. Whether if you could spell that, I'll
buy your rolls voice.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Yeah I can't even, but it's funny. I got it.
I got a lion that's named Mondevu, so yeah, well
look and we both named them from the same program.
So there you go.
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Speaker 2 (19:37):
I have been loading.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
Your aligning low life game.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It's over, under and away we go. Come get this
smoke in the first round?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Ten and oh.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Is that what you think you're gonna go?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Hell, yes, that's what I usually do.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Okay, you don't it's usually oh and ten? What are
we And oh that's got an exaggeration.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
No, that's uh, that's definitely more more so the case
that's I'm bringing up old stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Let's go, Lee, I'm ready to.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Let's go to a new draft.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
New draft.
Speaker 8 (20:09):
Well, guys, all these odds are you can find all
these on our friends site at DraftKings. But let's start
off with this one draft day trades over under six
and a half round one, Round one, Yes, under, I.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Think under, but it might be close, man, I think
there might be six six.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Yeah, I'm I'm gonna take the over on this.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
LeVar.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Let's let's kind of middle Jonas just to make sure
that he doesn't win.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, I got your middle right here. I'm ready to go.
Let's rock that might that.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
Might allude to this next one. JJ McCarthy draft position
five and a half.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Over over, So he's gonna go beyond five? Is what? Yes?
Six or six or later? Yeah, I'm gonna take the over.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
All right, guys, how about this Michael Pennix Junior? Is
that thirty two and a half under under?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Ooh ooh, I'm gonna take the over.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Like, by the way, are you sid with thirty two
and a half feels really high? Like I can't imagine
he gets past the teams. Like if JJ McCarthy's gone,
say it's six and Michael Pennock Junior is the next
guy on the board, I mean, Denver is gonna be
sitting there if Minnesota hasn't been able to pull off
(21:36):
a move to get up to for JJ McCarthy, the
Raiders will be there like thirty two and a half.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You have to look at it this way. If he
makes it past some of.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Those teams, oh yeah, over yeah, there have to be
something to trade up to take him at that point.
So all the draft, you know, quarterback needy teams at
the top of the draft, the ones in the middle,
you know they you can make the case. Obviously, you
know Denver lost Vegas Minnesota, but you know Minnesota would
have taken him.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
But they even their.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Second first round pick if they don't take them with
their first. So it's kind of like once you get
past a certain point, like there's no teams that need
a quarterback, so they would take a trade up.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That's right.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
Fun fun fact, bo Nix is also at thirty two
and a half. But if you did take the under
on either of those, you probably gonna take the over
on this. Total number of quarterbacks in the first round
on DraftKings is at four and a.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Half over over like five.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Think it's gonna be fi I mean, I haven't lost
one year.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
But Pennix could fall to the second. I think he could.
I think he could fall to the second.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I don't think he's gonna fall, but that's just me.
You know Bo Nicks might bo next.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Night, but I'm gonna take the I'm gonna take the over.
I'm gonna take the over.
Speaker 8 (22:47):
All, right, guys, drafts that cry on stage today one
and a.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Half the players, Yes, over, oh under, we'll be too happy.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Well, Caleb Williams my cry twice over over. Yeah, I
was gonna say.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
No, I'm gonna say under on this, I'll take. I'm
gonna take that. Listen.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
This is emotional, man, these are dreams coming true.
Speaker 9 (23:12):
All right.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Not everybody's so cold. Some people have a heart.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Are you taking the over?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Hell? Yeah, I'm taking.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Let's move on.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
What else we got, guys, Brock Power, Brock Powers draft
positions at twelve and a half Bowers Powers, that's it's powers. Yeah,
this is a Powers position position.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Leave the Dave Chappelle jokes alone. I will take the underly.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Well that's the difference that it starts with a W.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
But I hear you Rock Powers, I'll be I'll take
the underly.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Oh man, what is it again? What's the.
Speaker 8 (23:59):
Twelve and a half for brock Bauers twelve.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
And a half.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
I'm gonna take the I'm gonna take the over.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I'm gonna take the under. Then middling Jonas.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
Fellows running backs selected in the first round?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Is that a half.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Under? I'm gonna take.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
There's no no runbacks taking yeah, so under.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Means not in the first first round? Correct?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
And by the way, I think I think the money
on the over is at like plus eight hundred.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Oh, Jonas, take it, do it, do it.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Now, Lee, I'm gonna take the under. I don't think
a running back goes in the first round.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
Lame well, guys, offensive players drafted in the first round
is the highest we've we've seen twenty one and a half.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Over.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It's a new it's a new era of football.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Over.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
A lot of people would say defense doesn't even matter anymore.
I'll say the over.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
That's a lot day.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Twenty one and a half. M LeVar, where are you going?
Speaker 5 (25:03):
I'm gonna take the under, all right, I'll take the over.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
That way one has a chance against Jonas.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
How do I know why? It's not like Jonas is
good at picking this stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
So you know that I haven't lost one yet. That's
the problem.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
That's not sure.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
This is fear like Brady's hedging his bets. No pun
intended because he knows. Damn he's on a heater right now.
And you know when I go on heaters, watch out, Yeah,
you might crap your pants.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
How about the SEC guys SEC players drafted in the
first round nine and a half.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I will take the under.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Under nine and a half.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
I'm gonna take the under.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I will take the do this is include though Texas?
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I was just gonna ask that, all right, thank you?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Under?
Speaker 4 (25:59):
So they're not included, okay, because they got a couple
of guys that can add to that mix.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
But you know, somebody, you know that, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
It's like noted that they're not included.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
Well, when I look at they have, you know, the
Big ten, Big twelve, PAC twelve, So the fact that
they have seven and a half for the PAC twelve.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, I think it's it's yeah, but it's gotta be
clearly indicated in like the bet, it'll say contingent on
if Texas or Oklahoma's in it. But you know, if
there's a loophole in this, somebody's gonna lose and complain
about it and they're gonna bitch and moan on Twitch.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I will say under. I'll say under.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
Last one fellas dogs that we see in the first
round of the Draft.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Two and a half god and commercials.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
No at residences of the draftees.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Oh god man, what over?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
I'm gonna take the under.
Speaker 8 (26:50):
You can find it. You can find it out there.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
What do you take under?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
LeVar?
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Yeah, I'm gonna take the under.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I mean, so they just have to be in the
room with a crowded room of people.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I'm so sick of people's dogs.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
I think I'm taking under. I just I don't think
there's maybe dogs in the picture. I think fortunately the
dogs probably the last thought.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
I think there's gonna be at least one.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Who let the dog out of the bat?
Speaker 8 (27:19):
Oh man, I think there's at least one one drafty
with two dogs. What there's gonna be at least one
family room that has like two dogs running around.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I don't doubt that there's gonna be players with families
that have multiple dogs. It's the fact that there's gonna
be so many people that are on camera instead of
the dogs. Like, I don't think that the dogs are
gonna be fighting for camera.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
Tan No, And everyone gets excited and yelling and jumping
up and down.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
So does the dog.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
And by the way, you know somebody's gonna put their
draft hat on the dog and do some cheesy cornball
picture to try and go viral. I'm tired of people's dogs.
If it's not mister Styx, it doesn't count. Damn.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
How is mister Styx far?
Speaker 5 (28:01):
He's getting big, He's getting really big.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Is he potty Training's all good? Yeah, he's pretty close.
He says he's had a couple accidents, but not nothing major.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
But he's yeah, he's doing really well, doing really well.
Cool dog. You guys, you meet him, you'll really like
pretty dog. Yeah, he's pretty good looking. He's a good
looking dog. Good looking dog.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I'm gonna take the under I love do. I just
feel like again.
Speaker 8 (28:27):
Now funny enough, there's a prop out there for cats
as well.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
That's that a half oh got cats would take the
over taking on that one too, No, man, I actually
I think cats are starting to get phased out because
people realize, like one big cat is they're just an
a hole. Like I don't want to deal with an
a hole who I feed and try and butter up
to every single day only to get clawed at. So
it's like it's I think there's probably cats are on
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the decline to be honest with you, Sully getting phased out.
They'll be the Dodo bird, gone bird, more cayo these
less cats. That's how this works, all right.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
So there it is.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
That'll be ten and oh for me? Uh so, Lee,
you don't even have to keep count of this.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
We have a separate bet on Jonas not.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
We need to do an over under on how many
Jonas gets right at?
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Uh what was just to know he claims to going.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I went odds. I'm taking the under.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, I'm taking a bunch of haters.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Man.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
What by the way, if I lose, because I'll give
you four to one odds, let me tell you something.
If I lose because of the damn dogs, I'm out
on mister sticks too. Wo Yeah. If I'm nine and
oh and I lose that one and it's on the
dog prop, I'm out on mister sticks. Sorry. Decisions have
to be made here.
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Speaker 3 (30:05):
Ay to you?
Speaker 9 (30:06):
Hey, what's up?
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Jonas?
Speaker 9 (30:07):
How you doing?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I'm good now. I am curious because you put out
your I do like the fact that you let it
be known you're one and only mock draft. All right,
you're too good for this version two point zero three
point zher. You can't be bothered with that crap because
you're Albert Breer. So I got to know.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (30:26):
I don't know if you uh, I don't know if
you've paid attention to the media news over the last
couple of months. But it's been tumultuous, uh, most of
the time for sports illustrating. I have aver I may
I may have been able to may have been able
to fly through without.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Doing two or three mocks.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Here is there a Is there a pick or a
prediction in your mock draft that you look at and
you go, I feel like that's the one that's that's
going to be a surprise. You're going to go elsewhere
that now that you look back on it out that
it's all completed, you're waiting for tonight.
Speaker 9 (30:59):
Yeah, I mean, I I feel like a little uncomfortable.
I'll give you a few things I feel a little
uncomfortable about. I feel a little uncomfortable about not giving
the Broncos bone Nicks, just because I think, like the
more I think about it, the more it's like, are
they going to go into the season with Jared'skinnam and
Zach Wilson? You know. Now, I think if they do
wind up with bone Nicks, like it'll be some sort
(31:22):
of creative solution because they don't have a second round pick,
so you could they move down. Maybe a team comes
up for a tackle, tries to get in front of
New Orleans to go and get you know, one of
the top tackles. You know, that's possible. And I think
if they move down, then maybe I feel okay, Like
now they're probably now now and now Nicks is really
(31:43):
in play for them, you know, leaving the Vikings at
eleven and be a gamble for them to stay at
eleven and not move up. But I think they'd really
like to keep the twenty third pick and use it
on a defensive player if they can, and still you know,
get JJ McCarthy. So you know, I certainly think, you know, like,
could they move up with the Giants, and six of
(32:03):
the Giants are looking to move down? Could they move
up with the you know, with the with the with
the Titans, you know, the relationship between the general managers there.
I think that that's possible too, you know, But I
feel pretty good about the top. I'd say the top seven.
I feel pretty good about like the way that that's
gonna play out, you know, with the three quarterbacks going
(32:26):
at the top. I think Drake may will go third. Overall,
I think it will either be to the Patriots the
Giants of the Vikings, but I think ultimately the Patriots
will stick at three and take them. Would be my guest,
you know, Marvin at four. Feel pretty solid about that.
I don't know if anybody's gonna bowl over arizon'ta what
an offer. I think that the Chargers and Titans will
take tackles at five and seven if they stick, and
(32:48):
I think one will get all the other one I'll
get lay them. And then my guess is the Giants
will take a receiver at six.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Awesome, Hey, Albert, do you feel like you guys missed
out on an opportunity at s I.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I mean, you guys could have done like your versus
a I. You know, that would comparison, right, Yeah, that's
a good way that it's not familiar with AI, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (33:10):
Yeah, well I I uh yeah, I'm just glad. I'm
just glad that I could help fuel the betting on now,
you know what I mean, because there's a lot of
AI happening over there, and uh, you know, apparently, like
I've had to hear how all the sharks have all
the all the sharks have all their their sources and
everything else. But uh, my guess is they're doing what
everybody else is, which is reading people like me and
getting all their information that way. Wow, all right for
(33:33):
you there you go.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Yeah, I'm not going to take any jabs at you,
ab don't worry. I'm just going to ask you.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
I'm not bitter morning, I'm not fitter worn now this morning?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
All right?
Speaker 5 (33:45):
All right?
Speaker 6 (33:46):
In terms of looking at the conversation surrounding the quarterbacks,
does it does it get more intensified the closer we
get to the draft starting or does it kind of
relatively stay the same. Because there's some people that are
saying that Drake may versus Jake Daniels or Jake Daniels
versus Drake May then you you're hearing JJ McCarthy's name
(34:08):
kind of entering into the mix to be a higher
draft pick. Does does that intensify like or is it
kind of just kind of overstate.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
It right now?
Speaker 8 (34:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (34:17):
I mean I think I think for most of these teams,
well all of them, the Hayes in the barn now,
you know. And you know, look like the Giants went
out to a Yankees game the other night, the the
Dolphins brought their scouts to a Panthers playoff game. You know.
I had one team like had their had the completion
of their weight loss challenge for coaches and scouts, you know,
(34:39):
on Wednesdays. So I think, you know, what the last
week has been, but what the last few days have
been is sort of you know, starting to work the
phones and working through trades scenarios, but the evaluations are done,
you know, and and and this week in a lot
of ways, it's sort of a celebration for for the
scouts and the personnel department and in the completion of
(35:01):
you know, what is their year. You know, like this
is the same way, like you know, coaches work here
kind of ends at the end of the season. You know,
scouts work here, ends at the draft. So you know,
I don't think that there's much movement on boards. You know,
on on Wednesday and Thursday of Draft week, all of
that stuff is done. Teams know where they're at with
(35:22):
their quarterbacks, they know where they're at with the receivers
of the tackles, and you know, I think what's left
now is what's going to happen for a trade standpoint.
So the Patriots, for example, I think really like Drake
May at three. I think the Giants and Vikings have
some motivation to go up and and and see if
they can get them, and so you know, that still
needs to play out a little bit. I think the
(35:42):
Patriots stick Arizona. Like I said, like they've sort of
put out the signal to teams like we're not going
to move until we're on the clock. So is there
a team that is desperate enough to go up and
get JJ McCarthy at four. I don't think that's going
to happen. I think the Cardinals wind up sticking. But
you know, that's where I think, like the tension of draft,
it can kind of get you. It can affect the
(36:03):
trade market, but I don't think it affects the evaluation
as much.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, senior
NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB. So the
Bears second pick in the top ten is sitting at
nine in your mock draft, you have them going with
the leak neighbors, but they only have four picks in
the draft. Is there the potential that they could try
and acquire more capital by moving back with a team
trying to get aggressive?
Speaker 9 (36:27):
Yes, now, And I think I think Ryan Poul said
it publicly. The trade positions are sort of focused on,
you know, the quarterback taking care of it. One are
offensive line, pass rusher, and receiver, Like they'd like to
come away with one of each. And if you look
at it, they've only got you know, two additional picks
past one in the top one hundred, and that's the
ninth pick and the seventy fifth pick, And so I
(36:48):
think they'd like to spin that ninth pick into more
unless there's a special opportunity there. And the way I
have it playing out is that special opportunity right just
you know, with Molakue Neighbors slipping nine. You know, I
think ultimately the approach that the Ryan Poles you've already
seen it, but the appos approach Ryan Poles is going
(37:08):
to take in building around Caleb Williams is going to
be similar to you know what he was a part
of in Kansas City when Patrick Mahomes was young and
when they were really aggressive and you know, going and
getting guys like Sammy Watkins on the market to add
to what they already had drafting Nicole Hartman high adding
to what they already had with Tyreek Hill and Kareem Hunt,
(37:29):
those guys. I think you'll see them take a similar approach.
And if there's an opportunity to add somebody the view
who's really special at nine, then they don't move. If
they look at it to like let's say Neighbors has
gone and you know they don't few Bowers or a
Dunde as that sort of player, then I certainly think
they would look at at moving down, picking up more
(37:50):
capital and and maybe addressing the offensive line, you know,
later in the first round. And and then if they
can pick up a Day two pick that would give
them an opportunity to address receiver.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
There but we don't have much time. So I got
a couple quick questions for you.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
What team that maybe isn't from the outside in need
of a quarterback that could take one in your mind?
And then the other question is we heard Trey Hendrickson
say he wants to be traded. Now there is ms
of Brendan Ayuk was gonna be traded at some point.
What veteran player gets traded tonight? Do you think you're
(38:24):
gonna say this is the guy who I think it's
dealt tonight?
Speaker 9 (38:27):
Okay, So well, first of all, the teams that I
that I think could you should keep an eye on
for quarterback, like Seattle with Tennis potentially and the Rams
with UH with bone Nicks. Like that's a connection. I've
heard from a few different people over the last couple
of weeks.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
You know.
Speaker 9 (38:47):
I here's the thing, Brady. It's really interesting about it
to me is I pay attention to who likes too,
you know what I mean? Like, and I think it's
interesting like on Drake May that the Vikings and the
Giants are teams that are in on him, because that's
Brian Davell and Kevin O'Connell, right, I sort of feel
the same way about bone Knicks. Now, I look at
who's in on bon Nicks, Well, it's the Broncos and
(39:09):
the Rams. That's Sean Payton and Sean McVay. Like, I
sort of think that that might mean something about who
the player is, you know what I mean. So I
think that sort of thing's worth paying attention to. I say,
the Rams could be one curveball team that takes a
quarterback higher than you might think, you know. And then
just as far as veteran players being moved, you know,
(39:30):
like Henderson makes more sense to me. Here's the thing, Like,
I think it's going to be hard with the receivers now,
and then there's the development of the last forty of
the over the last forty eight hours. Right, So with
your Higgins, with your you know, with your Brandon Ayuk,
with your like like a J. Brown, I think will
be a little bit more, a little bit different because
he's under contract. But look at what I'm on ros
(39:52):
Saint Brown got, Like, if you look at the real
money in that deal, he's getting about twenty eight million
dollars a year. So if you're a team potentially trading
for IU, trading for Higgins, right, they're only under contract
for another year. How much harder did it get to
resign those guys? Now? You know what I mean? Like
because if you're one of those guys, if you're Higgins
(40:12):
or Ayuk, then Saint Brown just got twenty eight. Well
you're not going for less than thirty, right, So I
think that that could complicate a trade. And that's why
I would say like a Hendrickson might be a little
bit more likely, or even like again, like an AJ Brown,
is the egos were to stumble into a receiver solution,
would they listen a little bit more on AJ Brown?
(40:33):
I wouldn't totally rule that out, although I don't think
it's likely because teams have called an acquired and they've
shut them down up until now.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Get them on Twitter or ex at Albert Breer. He'll
have everything and all everything set and covered for you
when it comes to the NFL Draft and he trades
updates and either reporting out there. Albert Breer is the
guy to go to on that ab. We appreciate it,
enjoy tonight. We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
Thanks Aby, Thanks guy.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
There is Alberbreer, Senior NFL reporter, Lead Content Strategies that
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Speaker 3 (41:02):
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