August 8, 2024 • 37 mins
The NCAA hands down punishment on Jim Harbaugh but what is the big picture? TheMMQB’s Albert Breer joins the guys from the end of his training camp tour. Plus, a revamped offense in Buffalo and much more!
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Speaker 3 (01:40):
I do.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I'm gonna give Lee a second to look this up
because I don't have the notes right in front of me.
In regards to the Jim Harbaugh punishment that was laid
down yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
We've talked about this at length.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
However, we keep each as each day passes by this week,
we keep getting.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
A little bit more, a little bit more, a little
bit more.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
The NCAA is now handed down their punishment to Jim Harbaugh.
And again, these are four offenses that were committed last season.
In regards to the Connor Stallions saga or controversy where
he was advanced scouting opponents, which is illegal. You can't
advance scout with video footage, which is what he's being
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accused of. I will remind people you are in game
allowed to steal signals, steal signs. That's one of the
reasons that's prompted the NCAA to adopt the coach the quarterback,
where now both the offense and defense will have a
designated player with the radio system very similar to what
we see in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
So that should eliminate all of the signs stealing that's
been going on.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And it wasn't just Michigan, however, Michigan got caught and
now we've kind of seen some of the punishment from that. Lee,
do you have the exact punishment that was strucking down
on Jim Harbaugh, who was now the head coach of
the Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yes, this is quote the punishment. Harbaugh is sanctioned with
a four four year what is called a show cause order.
The NCAAA said during the show cause huh show show no, yeah, yeah,
during this show cause, the hardball will be barred from
all athletically related activities, including team travel, practice, video study, recruiting,
and team meetings at any NCAAA school that employed him.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Right for for uh, that's that's more of the difficulty, right.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
If he came back to college football, this would be
a concern, but he's got his national championship. He's now
coaching the Chargers trying to win a Super Bowl. I
don't think he's going to be back anytime soon. So
probably can come back, he.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Just can't come back to like any type of official capacity.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
And if he is hired during this four years, he
will be suspended for one hundred percent of the first
season of employment.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, so that's that's more of the concern there. Thank
you for the note there, Lee, thank you for looking
that up.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I'm glad the wi FI is working again in the studio.
Here's here's the issue with all of this. So there's
a lot of fans out there of some of the
rivals of Michigan that are celebrating this is there Ah
got you moment. And I've been at him and telling
people this has been going on to other schools too.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Connor Stallions was caught with his hand in the cookie jar,
and they're, you know, now, punishing Michigan for this. In
most cases, the NCAA is always reactive instead of proactive
with these matters, and they try to create punishment that
really never hurts the individuals during the period of time.
In which whatever cheating is going on, it only hurts
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the future players, the future coaches.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
But one narrative that has come out from all this LeVar.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Is that you know, Michigan had improved so much when
Connor Stallions was there was all about Connor Stallions And
I just want to take people through the period of
time coming out of COVID where you know, Michigan didn't
play Ohio State, they had somewhat of a whole hum year.
That was interesting year, I think for a lot of
people who were around college sports because you know, for example,
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we were going out on location and there's no fans
and it was the oddest time of being out broadcasting
live from a destination where you've got cardboard cutouts.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
In the stands, absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I mean, it's just the weirdest type of atmosphere you
could imagine.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
And you know, we talked to coaching staffs about the.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Challenge of getting the players up because you know, whether
or not people want to admit it, like the fan,
the twelfth Man a lot of cases plays a factor,
even helping to give you a little extra juice that
maybe creating that home field advantage, but either way, it
creates the difficulty that creates that home field advantage and
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or advantage. And you know that year was an interesting
year because what never gets talked about enough is the
staff changes that Jim Harball went through in getting to
where they became a team that was a national title contender.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
That was one element of it. The other element of
it is JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I don't think he gets his due as a college
quarterback for the job that he did during his time there.
But I want to go back to well he is now,
and that's what I'll kind of get to.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
But I'm saying he's dealing in practice right now from
all reports I've seen on him.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
So yeah, the fact that when you get drafted in
the first round, I think that goes to show you, like,
this is how the NFL feels about him, as far
as his talent, his leadership skills, all those and tools
and intangibles they're looking for. So clearly there was more
to it than just hey, it's Connor Stallion's it's this
advantage they've got from all of this. I go back
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and look at the staff changes he made. For example,
back in twenty twenty one, they bring Hi Mike McDonald,
Mike McDonald, who ends up being their defensive coordinator, does
an unbelievable job during his time There's so much so
that he ends up getting hired as the Baltimore Ravens
defensive coordinator after that, and then now hires the.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Head Coach'donald for the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So Mike McDonald who then leads to Jesse Minter that
leads to again this defensive performance that becomes up there
with the top in college football.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
The other thing is he.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Moved on from Josh Gaddis, Josh Gaddis, who I felt
like at times was holding back the Michigan offense, and he,
you know, brought in Shron Moore in that twenty twenty
one offseason. Shron Moore, who eventually now becomes the head coach,
but was a co offensive coordinator to begin with, and
during his time there became a co offensive coordinator with
Matt Weiss, and they've you know, you've seen that, you know,
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remarkable improvement, but also Jaj McCarthy coming along as well
and being able to lead them to an essence almost
an undefeated record with the exception of one game. And
so as much as you want to make it about
the Connor Stallion saga. The truth in the reality of
it is it doesn't have really anything to do with
that one thing. I mean, as we talked about before
with Stallions, he wasn't a part of this program at
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all in the second half of last year where they
played their most important games versus Penn State, versus Ohio
State into the College Football Playoff to win a national championship.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Had nothing to do with Connor Stallions.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
So I'm just tired of this false narrative that's put
out there about Michigan. And I'm like surprised I'm defending
Michigan in this case, but I'm so.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Tired of hearing it.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
It's like, look, take the ls folks, and if you
think your team wasn't doing something, whether it's through recruiting
or whether it's through you know, scouting and all this stuff,
you're probably wrong. Everyone's trying to bend the rules in
some way. That's just the life in college football right now.
It is a very, very crazy world, the wild wide
West that we're all living in. I don't know how
you see it, but I had to get that off
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my chest because I'm so tired of hearing it and
seeing it on social media and all these different bloggers
and whatnot.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
I'm glad you got it off of your chest. I'm
not that passionate about it, I will say it. It
is intriguing to me to think that you could come
to the conclusion that anyone could come to the inclusion
that if you watched this Michigan team play, that the
sign stealing was the reason why they had a competitive advantage.
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I mean, if you're trying to say, Okay, they were
in a position to put a personnel grouping out there
to give them an unfair advantage, I mean, is that
based off of stealing a sign, or is that the
people that are above looking down and supposed to have
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the personnel groupings that are coming into the game and
different things like that, how they're playing. Listen, I watched
in person the dismantling of one of the best defenses
in college football last year, and it was a run.
They ran the ball and we could not Penn State
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could not stop the run, just couldn't stop the run.
I can't attribute success and people can say, well, that
was post that was post Connor Stallions, escallions, you know
that was posed to him.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I don't care. I don't care.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
If you look at that Michigan team and the run
that they went on, it was run heavy and it
was play defense. They had guys like Aiden Hutchinson on
their teams. They had what was Rashad Berry? Was it
during that time period? Like, they've had some pretty phenomenal
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football players come off of that. They have a phenomenal
player number two. That where's Charles's number right now? They
have some phenomenal players on the defense side of the ball,
Johnson Will Johnson. They've had some amazing Quorum is an
amazing running back. The running back that backed him up,
he's an amazing running back. Their offensive line they shorted
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up through the portal. It was just if you're going
to look at it from a critical standpoint, they had
a superior team.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Q they have had a superior team.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And I think there's a huge correlation between quarterbacks and
I know some people who are purist in college football
hate hearing the comparison of projecting what they'll be at
the NFL level. But if you have a quarterback who
is either a first round talent or can play at
the NFL level, he's one of the best at college football.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I think we can agree upon that.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And if you look at the run, especially the recent
run for Alabama, and you go through the Bryce Young
who won a Heisman Trophy, was a first round pick,
number one overall pick. You go to the mac Jones,
the tula tongue of Baila, and even Jalen Hurts was
there for a period of time ends up being a
high second round pick.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
But I think you get my point.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Your talent and even McElroy who got drafted, a Jim
mcchaerron who got drafted, Like you go through the years
Obama's success. There's a correlation between the most important position
in college sports in my opinion, the quarterback, and success.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So let me ask you this, When was the last time, okay,
the last time a quarterback who was recruited to Michigan
got drafted before J. J. McCarthy. That's a good one. Probably.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Ooh, was it the kid that didn't tie his shoes?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
No, No, I think you're talking about Alan Bowman, who
might by the way, Jesse just now, I think he's
still actually playing. He's still a quarterback for Oklahoma State.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But it was Chad Henny in two thousand and eight
that is the last quarterback they have had that was
recruited there and drafted, and that he was a second
round pick. Now people were gonna say, well, what about
Jake Rudok in twenty sixteen. Jake Rudock wasn't recruited in Michigan.
He transferred there. He was originally an Iowa quarterback and
then he eventually came for his final season and got
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drafted in the sixth round by the Detroit Lions. But
I have always said this Michigan and their return to
glory was going to have everything to do about finally
getting a talented quarterback. The second they got JJ McCarthy,
who finished his high school ball at IMG Academy and
is now a first round pick, was going to give
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them a shot at winning a national championship, combined with
the other pieces that they have.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
But that, to me, I don't think he had to
win that job. And he had to win that job.
Somebody was who was the other guy that was they
were looking at kind of like it could go either
way for a moment there. It wasn't just McCarthy had
the job and came in as this like, you know,
the franchise guy. He had to win that job. Out.
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I can't remember. I can't recall.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
The other quarterback, Allan Bowman who's now at Oklahoma State,
did transfer in from Texas Tech. He was one of
the other quarterbacks. They had a bunch of quarterbacks on
their roster. But to your point, he had to win
a quarterback competition. He had to win it. Yeah, he
ended up being the guy. But to the greater point
is just stop with this whole thing. It was just
Connor Stallions. It wasn't They had a first round quality
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drafted quarterback. They had thirteen players drafted. They did a
good job recruiting and developing. They made staff changes that
ended up leading to Mike McDonald's now a head coach
in the NFL. Other coaches who Harbaugh took along with
them to the NFL, Schroanmore.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Who's become now a head coach. It didn't have just
to do with Connor Stallions.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
This was a university that under Jim Harbaugh kind of
found its way after COVID of what they needed to
do in order to win. And so as much as
we want to sit there and use the punishment that's
thrown down on Jim Horrbaugh as a reason for you
know this is the only reason they want a nast Chapions.
It's just not true. It's just not true. You know,
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they were able to build this thing up to really
put all their chips in this past season, and when
they needed to the most, without their head coach, without
the help of Connor Stallions, they showed.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Up the biggest and the biggest games.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
So please stop stop with what the stupid conversation around
it only being about Connor Stiens.
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Now it's time for our guy, Albert Breer joining us.
I have no idea where Albert is at at the
current moment.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Albert, where are you in your trees? Oh?
Speaker 8 (15:59):
Give me our seven can's camp. I'm in Minneapolis and
I go home tonight. So you guys are catching me
at the tail end of the first thing. At least,
how do you.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Pack for this? Do you have like a huge shuitcare?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Are you at this point like going to laundry mats
and washing your clothes?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
How does that?
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (16:16):
Well you can't really you can't really pack for seventeen days.
So yeah, laundry is, like I would say, like the
most stressful part of it is figuring out where I'm
going to do it. Like you know, I spent the
first week in la and so I was going out
to dinner with a high school buddy of mine out there,
and uh, I'm calling him to figure out what we're
going to meet up or whatever and I and I
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said to him, he lives in Santa Monica. I said
to him, like, got a weird question for You's like,
what's that? I'm like, can I do a little laundry
in your house? So you have to be creative sometimes,
you know, but uh but yeah, yeah, it's uh, that's
probably like actually the most complicated part of the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I hope you at least bought him dinner in exchange
for you to laundry.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
I did. I did. I can extense that that's easy.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Any surprises thus far along your training camp tour where
you're like, I did not think I was going to
think that or feel this way or hear that from
a player coach?
Speaker 8 (17:17):
Yeah, you know, I think one of the things that
kind of jumps out of me across the board, Brady
is I may have said this to you guys over
the last couple of weeks, but you know, I think
where like for the last fifteen years, there's been like
scaling back, scaling back, scaling back, saved the player's legs
that swung back around.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Now, so you know, I've really noticed.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
More two and a half hour practices across the league,
more contact, and that's probably at least partially a function
of you know.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Who's winning.
Speaker 8 (17:48):
The four teams that were alive at the end. You know,
San Francisco, Detroit, Baltimore, and Kansas City all operate that
way in the summer, so it's probably some element of that.
They had an interesting conversation what Sean Payton about it
where he talked about how he wants to call us
his team. And the other practice I was at, you know,
with the Broncos was two and a half hours and
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they ran gassers at the end. That's not to say
everybody's doing updowns like the Lions do, but I'd say,
you know, tougher camps across the board, you know. And
then I think one thing that's kind of cool is
to figure out, you know, which teams have you know,
like kind of interesting, exciting young cores. And so, you know,
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two teams that kind of jumped out in that regard
to me that you know, you you probably wouldn't be
taking a contact ton of attention to this year would
be Arizona in Seattle, where you know, they both have
like big, big classes of of of young guys. Right,
So for Arizona's their rookies and their second year guys.
For Seattle it's their second and third year.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Guys, and so you can see the young talent there.
Speaker 8 (18:55):
And those teams are always intriguing me because it's like, okay,
like how quickly is it going to come together, and
how are those guys going to come along? Because you know,
it's always easy in August to say how excited you
are about a guy, what they look like in October
November is a lot of times a different story. But
you know, both those teams, you know, I think feel
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like in the division's got two powerhouses in San Francisco
on the Rams, maybe can punch a little bit above
what is perceived as their white class.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
ABI.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
We've been talking about what's going on in Pittsburgh, so
let's let's attack it into two parts or questions.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
What are you seeing?
Speaker 5 (19:36):
You know, we we had the conversation about Russell Wilson
still being considered the first the first guy up and
be the one that they want to use. And obviously
how close are they too getting you how how close
to a deal is it that that could happen.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
Well, I think, you know, on the first part of it,
I think just Field has played well enough in practice
to at least make Russell Wilson have a sense of urgency.
I better get healthy fasts coming back from the cap,
and I want to show what I can do. And
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you heard how he outwardly said the other day, how
he wants to, you know, how he wants to, how
he wants to play. In the preseason, I think they've
at least been able to create enough competition in that
room where Russell Wilson has to operate with.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
A sense of urgency.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
Now, now the calf injury, lingers, I think Fields might
have a shot, you know. So, like I think that's
where the quarterback situation is. I'm not saying they're swinging
open the competition, but I think Justin has at least
made a case that that that that he should get
playing time this year.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
He's played well enough to do that.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
As for IU, this is interesting, you know, because this
is a different, I would say, a different sort of acquisition.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
They've The last time they had a.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Receiver, a leading receiver who wasn't homegrown was during World
War Two, believe it or not. So it's been a
long time since they've had a guy as their leading
receiver who has not drafted and developed inside the building.
On that sit, I used a really good sit for them.
He's a really good blocker, ditetor he's a good route runner.
He's a pure receiver, you know, so he is in
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a lot of different ways a good fit for what
the Steelers have always been with, for what other Smith
has always wanted in his receivers. So you know, I
think going and getting him is enticing to them for
that reason. But they've been disciplined, which is you know
why I think we are where we are and what
San francisc is not going to get him away either.
You know, I know a couple of teams have been
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involved here believe that San Francisco is doing this to
try to force Brandon back to the table because they
really do want to keep them and they're a little
frustrated with the taste of things and they'd like to
drive it towards the conclusion. Conclusion one way or the other,
they had to trade, and they has to trade him,
but they'd like to make another run at re signing
him and at least get some closure on this whole
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thing at some point soon. So Pittsburgh still I think
the team is the front of the line. I know
Cleveland doesn't think it's going to happen for them, and
obviously New Englands where they were at at on it.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
So that's the interesting thing about this, and we talked
about it earlier, like the grass might not be greener
in Pittsburgh, right, they don't sign their players to big
signing bonuses that you know, you could have a scenario
where who knows who the quarterback is? Who knows of
Mike Tomlin depending on how things go as the head coach,
and yeah, and leaving a situation with a team that's
a super Bowl contender with all that stability, I just
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you know, maybe the grass isn't always green on this case.
Do you think there's anything that would change Brendan and
Iyuk's tune outside of the forty nine Ers coming up
significantly in their offer.
Speaker 8 (22:47):
Yeah, I mean that's it's interesting you say that, Brady,
because I think you're right, and I think your instinction
correct that because the number I heard this is a
few days ago, but the number I heard so Pittsburgh
was right around twenty eight, which like is right in
the ballpark of like where you know, I'm an Ross
Saint Brown and and Jalen Waddell and Devause Smith work right,
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so like it's not a crazy number.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
And I think then the question becomes, you.
Speaker 8 (23:13):
Know, if that was still the number and the Steelers
don't get to thirty, and maybe they will, but you know,
do you want out that badly? Because it's not that
different from what San Francisco is offering. And I think
part of the strategy I remember how remember how smart
the Tiners are about how the how the they do
business and how experienced they are in these matters. Haven't
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dealt with it with Nick Boso last year and de
Bout two years ago.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
You know.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
Part of it, you know for San Francisco is, you know, like,
what can we do to push the negotiation along?
Speaker 6 (23:47):
What can we do to.
Speaker 8 (23:49):
Move Brandon I use a little bit, And I think
part of it is showing in that It's part of it.
It's like, Okay, buddy, go out, go look, go see
what's out there, you know. And then when you get
closer to act having to pull the trigger. I'm going
to a New England or going to a Cleveland or
going to a Pittsburgh, then you actually have to consider
is this what.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
I really want?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Right?
Speaker 8 (24:08):
Do I really want to leave here? And you know,
I think a lot of times players getting those spots,
especially with when they're with a team that's win one
so consistently. I mean, Brandon Ayuk has been four years
in the league, three NFC title games, in the super Bowl.
You know, when you actually come to have to make
that decision, it can be sometimes sometimes it's a little
bit harder than than asking for a trade in the
first place.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Abe, I'm hearing a lot of interesting things I'll say
coming out of out of Dallas camp. Yeah, and I'm
gonna say this, I'm gonna make it more specified to
Michael Parsons, I'm not sure what's true and what isn't
true at this point. Are are the Are the Cowboys
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in love with Micah or not? Are they running tired
of this? There's this narrative that's that's yeah coming out
that they're tired of the type of person he is
or something to that effect, Like, have you gotten any
type of entail that we give any color to how
this is looking with Micah and the Cowboys?
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Well, Michael a little bit of a different person. Yes, absolutely,
he is a little bit of a different person. I
do they love the player, of course they do. And
you know, I I don't know if that's going to
delay whether or not they signed him to a long
term deal. You know, certainly they've had to work through
some things with him. But you know, I think part
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of it too of are in these situations. I talked
to Stephen Jones about this, and it's you know, I
think players are, especially guys who are first round picks, like,
have been more willing to wait an extra year, you know,
over the last few years so they can get top dollar.
And if you look at it, like Justin Jefferson waited
(26:00):
a year, Nick Bosa waited a year, and those guys
wound up at thirty four and thirty five as a result.
You know, I'm sure, you know, Micah, he's got a
He's got one of the best agents in football, right,
like who's done a lot of huge deals.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
I'm sure for Micah.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
You know, a big part of the part of the
equation is if I wait.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
A year, I can ask for.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
Forty you know, and you know, you don't know where
the market is going to go, But it wouldn't be
crazy for Michael Parsons to ask for forty million dollars
a year. If he waits a year and say he
has seventeen or eighteen sacks, he's acting a player.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
So like I I think part.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
Of it, yeah, is like he is a little bit
of a different personality, and you know that.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Can sometimes you know, make teams.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
Want to wait and like, let's let this play out
for another year, you know. At the same time, like,
you know, I think part of this could be Micah.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Saying like I like, I think what's.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Best for me financially, it might be to wait extra year.
I might wind up getting a big bump most both
in the average per year and the amount of guarantees
that I'm about to get. If you know, I don't
do a deal until the spring or summer of twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I'm going to ask you about the Cowboys in general,
because you have Ceedee Lamb, you have Dak Prescott, Zeke
Elliott seems to be there RB one who has a
rush out for one thousand yards since twenty twenty one.
I mean, what is going on in Dallas.
Speaker 8 (27:24):
I think a lot of the bills are coming due
for you know, like pushing money into the future the
way that they have. You know, I think a piece
of this is for the Joneses frustration with you know,
like the last few years. And you know you heard
a lot of it last year, Brady, with the situation
with Mike McCarthy and that, like I kept hearing in December,
(27:48):
just making the playoffs isn't enough, right, Like, that's not
going to be enough. They need to look good in
the playoffs, and then they get just blown off the
field by Packers and they.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Don't make a move in the coach you know, so.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I think coach and lose a coach.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they lost a klan of course.
And you know, I like, I think where they're at
right now is like, let's see what we can do
this year with this group, but we're not going to
sell out and mortgage our future anymore than we already have,
you know. And they know they've got the big contracts
on the horizon with CD, which I think that gets
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done in the next couple of weeks, and you know,
and then obviously Dak and Micah they've got a huge,
huge contract coming down the pike with maybe there's three
best players. But I do think that there's part of it.
They've reached the level of frustration where it's like, you know,
if we have to if in a year or two
we have to shake things up a little bit, we
(28:47):
want to give ourselves the freedom to do that.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
M Man.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Well, I'll say this, it seems like there have been
different philosophies, ab and approaching how you handle things with
with your players. Obviously, Detroit paid their receiver. You know,
you've had other receivers and other situations getting paid, but
(29:16):
you still have Jamar Chase, C d Lamb I UK
has has dominated the headlines, but I guess because of
the trade situation. But how do you see it playing out?
But that would be my last question, how do you
see this playing out with C. D Lamb and Jamar Chase?
Because again I feel it's a game of chicken going
on right now.
Speaker 8 (29:34):
Yep, yep, yeah, And I would say CD, I think
that gets done now. Doesn't get what Justin Jefferson got.
I don't know, but that's sort of the issue here.
And you know, I got, like I said all off season,
like there's a reason why the Dolphins in the count
the Dolphins and the Lions, you know, and the Eagles
and the Texas moved as aggressively as they did with
the receivers.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Right.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
They did it because they knew that Jefferson project was coming.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
And sure enough.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
There's this there's this massive yeah, you know, thirty five
to twenty eight, right, and the ap y from what
Justin's making to what the next group of young receivers
is making. So how do you amend that If you're
a negotiating deal for cdee Lamb, if you're negotiating to
deal with Jamar Chase, do you think Chase is in
the class?
Speaker 6 (30:18):
I think you make that.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
Case that Jamar Chase is in the class of Justin
Jefferson and he deserves to get what Jefferson got. So
you know, I think CD is one that can kind
of jar this loose a little bit. And when we
see what CD gets, I think that pushes Jamar Chase
back the table and maybe close to the season they
get something done.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
But I can tell you this, like he's held.
Speaker 8 (30:38):
In right, There's been not much movement on that at all,
and not much talk at all. And I think to
the degree where what I just talked about about players
be patient and waiting sometimes for a market to crystallize
or for things to change a little bit, and how
play players are paid. You know, I think Chase just
to he waited for Jefferson like looks at and says, well,
(31:00):
if you're not going to tame me with Jefferson got,
then I'm going to wait to see a couple other
what a couple other guys got got and maybe that'll
prove my point that I'm worth what I'm saying I'm worth.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Albert, last one for me before I let you go.
Where are you heading to next? You said home?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Are you going to any other training camps? I mean
most of us?
Speaker 8 (31:18):
Right, Yeah, I'm going to go back out next week.
I got to figure that out. The Jets will be
somewhere on that list. Buffalo, I think will be somewhere
on that list. So that's what I usually do. I
don't I leave the East Coast out at the beginning
because I know I'm not going to want to get
on my five hour flights at the end of training camp.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
So get all the.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
Longer trip out, the longer trip out of the way first,
and then I'll probably be in Florida for a little
bit and then uh then then then through the Northeast
a little bit here over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yeah, well, you'll have to let me know when you're
down in Miami. But also save travels. My friend.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
You know you've been through the ringer. You've been washing
your dirty underwear and other people's.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Uh both washing tryer.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, it's kind of odd. It's kind of awkward, but hey, we.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
We appreciate my buddy ste Monica for letting that happen.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
You know what's crazy.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
That's right, it's Steven Santa Monica, the skid marked underware that.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
You were washing for.
Speaker 8 (32:15):
Albert, thank you, thank you for I apologize.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
We appreciate Albert.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
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the air. One storyline is the absence of Stefan Diggs
with the Buffalo Bills. That was one of the bigger
off season or the trade down to the Houston Texans
and Diggs gets the restructured contract. Kind of a proved
(35:05):
year for him on a team that I think is
very much on the rise, but it still calls into
question what the Buffalo Bill's gonna look like and a
younger group of receivers, maybe no legitimate number one anymore,
and maybe a lot more pressure on Josh Allen at
the quarterback spot. Take a listen to the sound we
have on Josh Allen talking about the absence of Stephan
(35:28):
Digs at.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Any point during cannon. Miss Stefan.
Speaker 9 (35:34):
I mean, I think Steph's a great player and what
he brought to this team was was special.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
So miss is is.
Speaker 9 (35:43):
I don't know if i'd say miss you know, he
was a guy that was reliable, you can you can
look to. He's gonna have the juice each and every day.
I'm sure he's bringing over there in Houston. So definitely, yeah,
you can't say that you don't miss that. But I
am very happy with what we got going on here
and how hard the guys have been working and.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
A tough spot for Josh Allen to be in because
in one instance, obviously I'm sure he missed them. That's
a number one wide receiver, a guy who when you need,
you know, to a conversion on third down, a big
play in the final moments.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
That's who you're looking for when things break down. That's
who you're trying to find.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
And now you've got, you know, Kean Coleman, who's a rookie,
Corasamo who they signed in the off season, and Khalil Shakur,
Matt Collins, Marquez Valdez Scaling who hasn't been having a
great camp. There's a number of players who are on
this roster that now have to prove themselves as either
becoming that number one guy or by committee they can
overcome what they're losing and stuff on Diggs.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
I just I feel like you handle that well. But
the reality is this offense is gonna look very different
this year, LeVar.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
It is going to look different Q and they probably
do miss Stefan Diggs, but you know, you got to
move on.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
You don't have them anymore.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
So there's just the idea of knowing that, why why
cry or or worry about spilt milk? Right, it's already
gone spilled. You got to move on to the next glass.
Fill it up again with some more milk. I hope
you don't spill it this time. So they got to
figure it out. Josh Allen's got to figure it out.
(37:13):
He's talented. They traded him, so clearly they had an
idea what direction they wanted to go in.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
They just got to stay the course.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be more the two tight
end sets that it's been. The first round pick on
Dolton Kincaid last year. Him and Dawson Knox together is
a nice tandem. You saw that a little bit last year.
And also I saw the utilization of James Cook out
of the backfield when Joe Briddy took over his offensive coordinator.
So I think all those things are some of the
adjustments you're gonna see if you're a Bills fan. Either way,
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be a contender in the AFC and try to get
back to challenging the top of the conference. In the
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Speaker 3 (01:40):
I do.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I'm gonna give Lee a second to look this up
because I don't have the notes right in front of me.
In regards to the Jim Harbaugh punishment that was laid
down yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
We've talked about this at length.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
However, we keep each as each day passes by this week,
we keep getting.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
A little bit more, a little bit more, a little
bit more.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
The NCAA is now handed down their punishment to Jim Harbaugh.
And again, these are four offenses that were committed last season.
In regards to the Connor Stallions saga or controversy where
he was advanced scouting opponents, which is illegal. You can't
advance scout with video footage, which is what he's being
(02:19):
accused of. I will remind people you are in game
allowed to steal signals, steal signs. That's one of the
reasons that's prompted the NCAA to adopt the coach the quarterback,
where now both the offense and defense will have a
designated player with the radio system very similar to what
we see in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
So that should eliminate all of the signs stealing that's
been going on.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And it wasn't just Michigan, however, Michigan got caught and
now we've kind of seen some of the punishment from that. Lee,
do you have the exact punishment that was strucking down
on Jim Harbaugh, who was now the head coach of
the Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yes, this is quote the punishment. Harbaugh is sanctioned with
a four four year what is called a show cause order.
The NCAAA said during the show cause huh show show no, yeah, yeah,
during this show cause, the hardball will be barred from
all athletically related activities, including team travel, practice, video study, recruiting,
and team meetings at any NCAAA school that employed him.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Right for for uh, that's that's more of the difficulty, right.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
If he came back to college football, this would be
a concern, but he's got his national championship. He's now
coaching the Chargers trying to win a Super Bowl. I
don't think he's going to be back anytime soon. So
probably can come back, he.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Just can't come back to like any type of official capacity.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
And if he is hired during this four years, he
will be suspended for one hundred percent of the first
season of employment.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, so that's that's more of the concern there. Thank
you for the note there, Lee, thank you for looking
that up.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I'm glad the wi FI is working again in the studio.
Here's here's the issue with all of this. So there's
a lot of fans out there of some of the
rivals of Michigan that are celebrating this is there Ah
got you moment. And I've been at him and telling
people this has been going on to other schools too.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Connor Stallions was caught with his hand in the cookie jar,
and they're, you know, now, punishing Michigan for this. In
most cases, the NCAA is always reactive instead of proactive
with these matters, and they try to create punishment that
really never hurts the individuals during the period of time.
In which whatever cheating is going on, it only hurts
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the future players, the future coaches.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
But one narrative that has come out from all this LeVar.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Is that you know, Michigan had improved so much when
Connor Stallions was there was all about Connor Stallions And
I just want to take people through the period of
time coming out of COVID where you know, Michigan didn't
play Ohio State, they had somewhat of a whole hum year.
That was interesting year, I think for a lot of
people who were around college sports because you know, for example,
(05:05):
we were going out on location and there's no fans
and it was the oddest time of being out broadcasting
live from a destination where you've got cardboard cutouts.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
In the stands, absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I mean, it's just the weirdest type of atmosphere you
could imagine.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
And you know, we talked to coaching staffs about the.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Challenge of getting the players up because you know, whether
or not people want to admit it, like the fan,
the twelfth Man a lot of cases plays a factor,
even helping to give you a little extra juice that
maybe creating that home field advantage, but either way, it
creates the difficulty that creates that home field advantage and
(05:43):
or advantage. And you know that year was an interesting
year because what never gets talked about enough is the
staff changes that Jim Harball went through in getting to
where they became a team that was a national title contender.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
That was one element of it. The other element of
it is JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I don't think he gets his due as a college
quarterback for the job that he did during his time there.
But I want to go back to well he is now,
and that's what I'll kind of get to.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
But I'm saying he's dealing in practice right now from
all reports I've seen on him.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
So yeah, the fact that when you get drafted in
the first round, I think that goes to show you, like,
this is how the NFL feels about him, as far
as his talent, his leadership skills, all those and tools
and intangibles they're looking for. So clearly there was more
to it than just hey, it's Connor Stallion's it's this
advantage they've got from all of this. I go back
(06:42):
and look at the staff changes he made. For example,
back in twenty twenty one, they bring Hi Mike McDonald,
Mike McDonald, who ends up being their defensive coordinator, does
an unbelievable job during his time There's so much so
that he ends up getting hired as the Baltimore Ravens
defensive coordinator after that, and then now hires the.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Head Coach'donald for the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So Mike McDonald who then leads to Jesse Minter that
leads to again this defensive performance that becomes up there
with the top in college football.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
The other thing is he.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Moved on from Josh Gaddis, Josh Gaddis, who I felt
like at times was holding back the Michigan offense, and he,
you know, brought in Shron Moore in that twenty twenty
one offseason. Shron Moore, who eventually now becomes the head coach,
but was a co offensive coordinator to begin with, and
during his time there became a co offensive coordinator with
Matt Weiss, and they've you know, you've seen that, you know,
(07:33):
remarkable improvement, but also Jaj McCarthy coming along as well
and being able to lead them to an essence almost
an undefeated record with the exception of one game. And
so as much as you want to make it about
the Connor Stallion saga. The truth in the reality of
it is it doesn't have really anything to do with
that one thing. I mean, as we talked about before
with Stallions, he wasn't a part of this program at
(07:55):
all in the second half of last year where they
played their most important games versus Penn State, versus Ohio
State into the College Football Playoff to win a national championship.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Had nothing to do with Connor Stallions.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
So I'm just tired of this false narrative that's put
out there about Michigan. And I'm like surprised I'm defending
Michigan in this case, but I'm so.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Tired of hearing it.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
It's like, look, take the ls folks, and if you
think your team wasn't doing something, whether it's through recruiting
or whether it's through you know, scouting and all this stuff,
you're probably wrong. Everyone's trying to bend the rules in
some way. That's just the life in college football right now.
It is a very, very crazy world, the wild wide
West that we're all living in. I don't know how
you see it, but I had to get that off
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my chest because I'm so tired of hearing it and
seeing it on social media and all these different bloggers
and whatnot.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
I'm glad you got it off of your chest. I'm
not that passionate about it, I will say it. It
is intriguing to me to think that you could come
to the conclusion that anyone could come to the inclusion
that if you watched this Michigan team play, that the
sign stealing was the reason why they had a competitive advantage.
(09:11):
I mean, if you're trying to say, Okay, they were
in a position to put a personnel grouping out there
to give them an unfair advantage, I mean, is that
based off of stealing a sign, or is that the
people that are above looking down and supposed to have
(09:31):
the personnel groupings that are coming into the game and
different things like that, how they're playing. Listen, I watched
in person the dismantling of one of the best defenses
in college football last year, and it was a run.
They ran the ball and we could not Penn State
(09:54):
could not stop the run, just couldn't stop the run.
I can't attribute success and people can say, well, that
was post that was post Connor Stallions, escallions, you know
that was posed to him.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I don't care. I don't care.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
If you look at that Michigan team and the run
that they went on, it was run heavy and it
was play defense. They had guys like Aiden Hutchinson on
their teams. They had what was Rashad Berry? Was it
during that time period? Like, they've had some pretty phenomenal
(10:34):
football players come off of that. They have a phenomenal
player number two. That where's Charles's number right now? They
have some phenomenal players on the defense side of the ball,
Johnson Will Johnson. They've had some amazing Quorum is an
amazing running back. The running back that backed him up,
he's an amazing running back. Their offensive line they shorted
(10:57):
up through the portal. It was just if you're going
to look at it from a critical standpoint, they had
a superior team.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Q they have had a superior team.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And I think there's a huge correlation between quarterbacks and
I know some people who are purist in college football
hate hearing the comparison of projecting what they'll be at
the NFL level. But if you have a quarterback who
is either a first round talent or can play at
the NFL level, he's one of the best at college football.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I think we can agree upon that.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And if you look at the run, especially the recent
run for Alabama, and you go through the Bryce Young
who won a Heisman Trophy, was a first round pick,
number one overall pick. You go to the mac Jones,
the tula tongue of Baila, and even Jalen Hurts was
there for a period of time ends up being a
high second round pick.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
But I think you get my point.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Your talent and even McElroy who got drafted, a Jim
mcchaerron who got drafted, Like you go through the years
Obama's success. There's a correlation between the most important position
in college sports in my opinion, the quarterback, and success.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So let me ask you this, When was the last time, okay,
the last time a quarterback who was recruited to Michigan
got drafted before J. J. McCarthy. That's a good one. Probably.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Ooh, was it the kid that didn't tie his shoes?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
No, No, I think you're talking about Alan Bowman, who
might by the way, Jesse just now, I think he's
still actually playing. He's still a quarterback for Oklahoma State.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But it was Chad Henny in two thousand and eight
that is the last quarterback they have had that was
recruited there and drafted, and that he was a second
round pick. Now people were gonna say, well, what about
Jake Rudok in twenty sixteen. Jake Rudock wasn't recruited in Michigan.
He transferred there. He was originally an Iowa quarterback and
then he eventually came for his final season and got
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drafted in the sixth round by the Detroit Lions. But
I have always said this Michigan and their return to
glory was going to have everything to do about finally
getting a talented quarterback. The second they got JJ McCarthy,
who finished his high school ball at IMG Academy and
is now a first round pick, was going to give
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them a shot at winning a national championship, combined with
the other pieces that they have.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
But that, to me, I don't think he had to
win that job. And he had to win that job.
Somebody was who was the other guy that was they
were looking at kind of like it could go either
way for a moment there. It wasn't just McCarthy had
the job and came in as this like, you know,
the franchise guy. He had to win that job. Out.
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I can't remember. I can't recall.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
The other quarterback, Allan Bowman who's now at Oklahoma State,
did transfer in from Texas Tech. He was one of
the other quarterbacks. They had a bunch of quarterbacks on
their roster. But to your point, he had to win
a quarterback competition. He had to win it. Yeah, he
ended up being the guy. But to the greater point
is just stop with this whole thing. It was just
Connor Stallions. It wasn't They had a first round quality
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drafted quarterback. They had thirteen players drafted. They did a
good job recruiting and developing. They made staff changes that
ended up leading to Mike McDonald's now a head coach
in the NFL. Other coaches who Harbaugh took along with
them to the NFL, Schroanmore.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Who's become now a head coach. It didn't have just
to do with Connor Stallions.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
This was a university that under Jim Harbaugh kind of
found its way after COVID of what they needed to
do in order to win. And so as much as
we want to sit there and use the punishment that's
thrown down on Jim Horrbaugh as a reason for you
know this is the only reason they want a nast Chapions.
It's just not true. It's just not true. You know,
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they were able to build this thing up to really
put all their chips in this past season, and when
they needed to the most, without their head coach, without
the help of Connor Stallions, they showed.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Up the biggest and the biggest games.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
So please stop stop with what the stupid conversation around
it only being about Connor Stiens.
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Speaker 1 (15:47):
Now it's time for our guy, Albert Breer joining us.
I have no idea where Albert is at at the
current moment.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Albert, where are you in your trees? Oh?
Speaker 8 (15:59):
Give me our seven can's camp. I'm in Minneapolis and
I go home tonight. So you guys are catching me
at the tail end of the first thing. At least,
how do you.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Pack for this? Do you have like a huge shuitcare?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Are you at this point like going to laundry mats
and washing your clothes?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
How does that?
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (16:16):
Well you can't really you can't really pack for seventeen days.
So yeah, laundry is, like I would say, like the
most stressful part of it is figuring out where I'm
going to do it. Like you know, I spent the
first week in la and so I was going out
to dinner with a high school buddy of mine out there,
and uh, I'm calling him to figure out what we're
going to meet up or whatever and I and I
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said to him, he lives in Santa Monica. I said
to him, like, got a weird question for You's like,
what's that? I'm like, can I do a little laundry
in your house? So you have to be creative sometimes,
you know, but uh but yeah, yeah, it's uh, that's
probably like actually the most complicated part of the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I hope you at least bought him dinner in exchange
for you to laundry.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
I did. I did. I can extense that that's easy.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Any surprises thus far along your training camp tour where
you're like, I did not think I was going to
think that or feel this way or hear that from
a player coach?
Speaker 8 (17:17):
Yeah, you know, I think one of the things that
kind of jumps out of me across the board, Brady
is I may have said this to you guys over
the last couple of weeks, but you know, I think
where like for the last fifteen years, there's been like
scaling back, scaling back, scaling back, saved the player's legs
that swung back around.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Now, so you know, I've really noticed.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
More two and a half hour practices across the league,
more contact, and that's probably at least partially a function
of you know.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Who's winning.
Speaker 8 (17:48):
The four teams that were alive at the end. You know,
San Francisco, Detroit, Baltimore, and Kansas City all operate that
way in the summer, so it's probably some element of that.
They had an interesting conversation what Sean Payton about it
where he talked about how he wants to call us
his team. And the other practice I was at, you know,
with the Broncos was two and a half hours and
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they ran gassers at the end. That's not to say
everybody's doing updowns like the Lions do, but I'd say,
you know, tougher camps across the board, you know. And
then I think one thing that's kind of cool is
to figure out, you know, which teams have you know,
like kind of interesting, exciting young cores. And so, you know,
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two teams that kind of jumped out in that regard
to me that you know, you you probably wouldn't be
taking a contact ton of attention to this year would
be Arizona in Seattle, where you know, they both have
like big, big classes of of of young guys. Right,
So for Arizona's their rookies and their second year guys.
For Seattle it's their second and third year.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Guys, and so you can see the young talent there.
Speaker 8 (18:55):
And those teams are always intriguing me because it's like, okay,
like how quickly is it going to come together, and
how are those guys going to come along? Because you know,
it's always easy in August to say how excited you
are about a guy, what they look like in October
November is a lot of times a different story. But
you know, both those teams, you know, I think feel
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like in the division's got two powerhouses in San Francisco
on the Rams, maybe can punch a little bit above
what is perceived as their white class.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
ABI.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
We've been talking about what's going on in Pittsburgh, so
let's let's attack it into two parts or questions.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
What are you seeing?
Speaker 5 (19:36):
You know, we we had the conversation about Russell Wilson
still being considered the first the first guy up and
be the one that they want to use. And obviously
how close are they too getting you how how close
to a deal is it that that could happen.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
Well, I think, you know, on the first part of it,
I think just Field has played well enough in practice
to at least make Russell Wilson have a sense of urgency.
I better get healthy fasts coming back from the cap,
and I want to show what I can do. And
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you heard how he outwardly said the other day, how
he wants to, you know, how he wants to, how
he wants to play. In the preseason, I think they've
at least been able to create enough competition in that
room where Russell Wilson has to operate with.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
A sense of urgency.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
Now, now the calf injury, lingers, I think Fields might
have a shot, you know. So, like I think that's
where the quarterback situation is. I'm not saying they're swinging
open the competition, but I think Justin has at least
made a case that that that that he should get
playing time this year.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
He's played well enough to do that.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
As for IU, this is interesting, you know, because this
is a different, I would say, a different sort of acquisition.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
They've The last time they had a.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Receiver, a leading receiver who wasn't homegrown was during World
War Two, believe it or not. So it's been a
long time since they've had a guy as their leading
receiver who has not drafted and developed inside the building.
On that sit, I used a really good sit for them.
He's a really good blocker, ditetor he's a good route runner.
He's a pure receiver, you know, so he is in
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a lot of different ways a good fit for what
the Steelers have always been with, for what other Smith
has always wanted in his receivers. So you know, I
think going and getting him is enticing to them for
that reason. But they've been disciplined, which is you know
why I think we are where we are and what
San francisc is not going to get him away either.
You know, I know a couple of teams have been
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involved here believe that San Francisco is doing this to
try to force Brandon back to the table because they
really do want to keep them and they're a little
frustrated with the taste of things and they'd like to
drive it towards the conclusion. Conclusion one way or the other,
they had to trade, and they has to trade him,
but they'd like to make another run at re signing
him and at least get some closure on this whole
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thing at some point soon. So Pittsburgh still I think
the team is the front of the line. I know
Cleveland doesn't think it's going to happen for them, and
obviously New Englands where they were at at on it.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
So that's the interesting thing about this, and we talked
about it earlier, like the grass might not be greener
in Pittsburgh, right, they don't sign their players to big
signing bonuses that you know, you could have a scenario
where who knows who the quarterback is? Who knows of
Mike Tomlin depending on how things go as the head coach,
and yeah, and leaving a situation with a team that's
a super Bowl contender with all that stability, I just
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you know, maybe the grass isn't always green on this case.
Do you think there's anything that would change Brendan and
Iyuk's tune outside of the forty nine Ers coming up
significantly in their offer.
Speaker 8 (22:47):
Yeah, I mean that's it's interesting you say that, Brady,
because I think you're right, and I think your instinction
correct that because the number I heard this is a
few days ago, but the number I heard so Pittsburgh
was right around twenty eight, which like is right in
the ballpark of like where you know, I'm an Ross
Saint Brown and and Jalen Waddell and Devause Smith work right,
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so like it's not a crazy number.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
And I think then the question becomes, you.
Speaker 8 (23:13):
Know, if that was still the number and the Steelers
don't get to thirty, and maybe they will, but you know,
do you want out that badly? Because it's not that
different from what San Francisco is offering. And I think
part of the strategy I remember how remember how smart
the Tiners are about how the how the they do
business and how experienced they are in these matters. Haven't
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dealt with it with Nick Boso last year and de
Bout two years ago.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
You know.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
Part of it, you know for San Francisco is, you know, like,
what can we do to push the negotiation along?
Speaker 6 (23:47):
What can we do to.
Speaker 8 (23:49):
Move Brandon I use a little bit, And I think
part of it is showing in that It's part of it.
It's like, Okay, buddy, go out, go look, go see
what's out there, you know. And then when you get
closer to act having to pull the trigger. I'm going
to a New England or going to a Cleveland or
going to a Pittsburgh, then you actually have to consider
is this what.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
I really want?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Right?
Speaker 8 (24:08):
Do I really want to leave here? And you know,
I think a lot of times players getting those spots,
especially with when they're with a team that's win one
so consistently. I mean, Brandon Ayuk has been four years
in the league, three NFC title games, in the super Bowl.
You know, when you actually come to have to make
that decision, it can be sometimes sometimes it's a little
bit harder than than asking for a trade in the
first place.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Abe, I'm hearing a lot of interesting things I'll say
coming out of out of Dallas camp. Yeah, and I'm
gonna say this, I'm gonna make it more specified to
Michael Parsons, I'm not sure what's true and what isn't
true at this point. Are are the Are the Cowboys
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in love with Micah or not? Are they running tired
of this? There's this narrative that's that's yeah coming out
that they're tired of the type of person he is
or something to that effect, Like, have you gotten any
type of entail that we give any color to how
this is looking with Micah and the Cowboys?
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Well, Michael a little bit of a different person. Yes, absolutely,
he is a little bit of a different person. I
do they love the player, of course they do. And
you know, I I don't know if that's going to
delay whether or not they signed him to a long
term deal. You know, certainly they've had to work through
some things with him. But you know, I think part
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of it too of are in these situations. I talked
to Stephen Jones about this, and it's you know, I
think players are, especially guys who are first round picks, like,
have been more willing to wait an extra year, you know,
over the last few years so they can get top dollar.
And if you look at it, like Justin Jefferson waited
(26:00):
a year, Nick Bosa waited a year, and those guys
wound up at thirty four and thirty five as a result.
You know, I'm sure, you know, Micah, he's got a
He's got one of the best agents in football, right,
like who's done a lot of huge deals.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
I'm sure for Micah.
Speaker 8 (26:16):
You know, a big part of the part of the
equation is if I wait.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
A year, I can ask for.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
Forty you know, and you know, you don't know where
the market is going to go, But it wouldn't be
crazy for Michael Parsons to ask for forty million dollars
a year. If he waits a year and say he
has seventeen or eighteen sacks, he's acting a player.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
So like I I think part.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
Of it, yeah, is like he is a little bit
of a different personality, and you know that.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Can sometimes you know, make teams.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
Want to wait and like, let's let this play out
for another year, you know. At the same time, like,
you know, I think part of this could be Micah.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Saying like I like, I think what's.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Best for me financially, it might be to wait extra year.
I might wind up getting a big bump most both
in the average per year and the amount of guarantees
that I'm about to get. If you know, I don't
do a deal until the spring or summer of twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I'm going to ask you about the Cowboys in general,
because you have Ceedee Lamb, you have Dak Prescott, Zeke
Elliott seems to be there RB one who has a
rush out for one thousand yards since twenty twenty one.
I mean, what is going on in Dallas.
Speaker 8 (27:24):
I think a lot of the bills are coming due
for you know, like pushing money into the future the
way that they have. You know, I think a piece
of this is for the Joneses frustration with you know,
like the last few years. And you know you heard
a lot of it last year, Brady, with the situation
with Mike McCarthy and that, like I kept hearing in December,
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just making the playoffs isn't enough, right, Like, that's not
going to be enough. They need to look good in
the playoffs, and then they get just blown off the
field by Packers and they.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Don't make a move in the coach you know, so.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I think coach and lose a coach.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they lost a klan of course.
And you know, I like, I think where they're at
right now is like, let's see what we can do
this year with this group, but we're not going to
sell out and mortgage our future anymore than we already have,
you know. And they know they've got the big contracts
on the horizon with CD, which I think that gets
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done in the next couple of weeks, and you know,
and then obviously Dak and Micah they've got a huge,
huge contract coming down the pike with maybe there's three
best players. But I do think that there's part of it.
They've reached the level of frustration where it's like, you know,
if we have to if in a year or two
we have to shake things up a little bit, we
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want to give ourselves the freedom to do that.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
M Man.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Well, I'll say this, it seems like there have been
different philosophies, ab and approaching how you handle things with
with your players. Obviously, Detroit paid their receiver. You know,
you've had other receivers and other situations getting paid, but
(29:16):
you still have Jamar Chase, C d Lamb I UK
has has dominated the headlines, but I guess because of
the trade situation. But how do you see it playing out?
But that would be my last question, how do you
see this playing out with C. D Lamb and Jamar Chase?
Because again I feel it's a game of chicken going
on right now.
Speaker 8 (29:34):
Yep, yep, yeah, And I would say CD, I think
that gets done now. Doesn't get what Justin Jefferson got.
I don't know, but that's sort of the issue here.
And you know, I got, like I said all off season,
like there's a reason why the Dolphins in the count
the Dolphins and the Lions, you know, and the Eagles
and the Texas moved as aggressively as they did with
the receivers.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Right.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
They did it because they knew that Jefferson project was coming.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
And sure enough.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
There's this there's this massive yeah, you know, thirty five
to twenty eight, right, and the ap y from what
Justin's making to what the next group of young receivers
is making. So how do you amend that If you're
a negotiating deal for cdee Lamb, if you're negotiating to
deal with Jamar Chase, do you think Chase is in
the class?
Speaker 6 (30:18):
I think you make that.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
Case that Jamar Chase is in the class of Justin
Jefferson and he deserves to get what Jefferson got. So
you know, I think CD is one that can kind
of jar this loose a little bit. And when we
see what CD gets, I think that pushes Jamar Chase
back the table and maybe close to the season they
get something done.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
But I can tell you this, like he's held.
Speaker 8 (30:38):
In right, There's been not much movement on that at all,
and not much talk at all. And I think to
the degree where what I just talked about about players
be patient and waiting sometimes for a market to crystallize
or for things to change a little bit, and how
play players are paid. You know, I think Chase just
to he waited for Jefferson like looks at and says, well,
(31:00):
if you're not going to tame me with Jefferson got,
then I'm going to wait to see a couple other
what a couple other guys got got and maybe that'll
prove my point that I'm worth what I'm saying I'm worth.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Albert, last one for me before I let you go.
Where are you heading to next? You said home?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Are you going to any other training camps? I mean
most of us?
Speaker 8 (31:18):
Right, Yeah, I'm going to go back out next week.
I got to figure that out. The Jets will be
somewhere on that list. Buffalo, I think will be somewhere
on that list. So that's what I usually do. I
don't I leave the East Coast out at the beginning
because I know I'm not going to want to get
on my five hour flights at the end of training camp.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
So get all the.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
Longer trip out, the longer trip out of the way first,
and then I'll probably be in Florida for a little
bit and then uh then then then through the Northeast
a little bit here over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yeah, well, you'll have to let me know when you're
down in Miami. But also save travels. My friend.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
You know you've been through the ringer. You've been washing
your dirty underwear and other people's.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Uh both washing tryer.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, it's kind of odd. It's kind of awkward, but hey, we.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
We appreciate my buddy ste Monica for letting that happen.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
You know what's crazy.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
That's right, it's Steven Santa Monica, the skid marked underware that.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
You were washing for.
Speaker 8 (32:15):
Albert, thank you, thank you for I apologize.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
We appreciate Albert.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
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the air. One storyline is the absence of Stefan Diggs
with the Buffalo Bills. That was one of the bigger
off season or the trade down to the Houston Texans
and Diggs gets the restructured contract. Kind of a proved
(35:05):
year for him on a team that I think is
very much on the rise, but it still calls into
question what the Buffalo Bill's gonna look like and a
younger group of receivers, maybe no legitimate number one anymore,
and maybe a lot more pressure on Josh Allen at
the quarterback spot. Take a listen to the sound we
have on Josh Allen talking about the absence of Stephan
(35:28):
Digs at.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Any point during cannon. Miss Stefan.
Speaker 9 (35:34):
I mean, I think Steph's a great player and what
he brought to this team was was special.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
So miss is is.
Speaker 9 (35:43):
I don't know if i'd say miss you know, he
was a guy that was reliable, you can you can
look to. He's gonna have the juice each and every day.
I'm sure he's bringing over there in Houston. So definitely, yeah,
you can't say that you don't miss that. But I
am very happy with what we got going on here
and how hard the guys have been working and.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
A tough spot for Josh Allen to be in because
in one instance, obviously I'm sure he missed them. That's
a number one wide receiver, a guy who when you need,
you know, to a conversion on third down, a big
play in the final moments.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
That's who you're looking for when things break down. That's
who you're trying to find.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
And now you've got, you know, Kean Coleman, who's a rookie,
Corasamo who they signed in the off season, and Khalil Shakur,
Matt Collins, Marquez Valdez Scaling who hasn't been having a
great camp. There's a number of players who are on
this roster that now have to prove themselves as either
becoming that number one guy or by committee they can
overcome what they're losing and stuff on Diggs.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
I just I feel like you handle that well. But
the reality is this offense is gonna look very different
this year, LeVar.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
It is going to look different Q and they probably
do miss Stefan Diggs, but you know, you got to
move on.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
You don't have them anymore.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
So there's just the idea of knowing that, why why
cry or or worry about spilt milk? Right, it's already
gone spilled. You got to move on to the next glass.
Fill it up again with some more milk. I hope
you don't spill it this time. So they got to
figure it out. Josh Allen's got to figure it out.
(37:13):
He's talented. They traded him, so clearly they had an
idea what direction they wanted to go in.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
They just got to stay the course.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be more the two tight
end sets that it's been. The first round pick on
Dolton Kincaid last year. Him and Dawson Knox together is
a nice tandem. You saw that a little bit last year.
And also I saw the utilization of James Cook out
of the backfield when Joe Briddy took over his offensive coordinator.
So I think all those things are some of the
adjustments you're gonna see if you're a Bills fan. Either way,
(37:43):
it's gonna be fascinating to see if they could still
be a contender in the AFC and try to get
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