August 19, 2024 • 42 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Caleb Williams impresses in another week of preseason but what did we learn and does it really matter? Jayden Daniels is in the doghouse for not protecting himself. Raheem Morris defends not playing Michael Penix Jr. The Steelers have an awful QB situation going on. Plus, an update from Lee on the “FSR IR.”
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Arrington, Rady Win and Jonas Knots on
Fox Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feel here in a Monday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Happy Monday, Yeah, Hey Monday. Yeah, everybody's fired up? Mean
why not?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I mean everybody's excited.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I mean, listen, I know you're excited Jonas well.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Look, I'm just glad that we have a preseason so
that we can actually get a glimpse at some of
the talent that takes the field in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
See, this is why I don't write notes. What are
you talking? This is exactly why I don't write y'all.
This is why you guys.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
You know why, because you guys are going to debate
what I say. So I wait for the show to
say what it is I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
No, I don't. I'm just I just could not.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
I just my dismay for the preseason and and how
I feel about it is so strong that I just
decided to put it in, knowing knowing that this was
going to lead to you guys debating me in the
email and then it being you you and I knew
you were going like like like an instant instigator of
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it as soon as we got into the show.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
That's why I don't do it, No, because I do
the decision.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
That's right, That's why the decision. Well, why do you
think it is cute?
Speaker 5 (01:27):
I mean there's there's like it sounds like you guys
have had a conversation about it.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
There could be a Marrio out of reasons. That doesn't
matter at the end of the day. I guess I'm
just curious because here's the thing is, our audience doesn't
understand why. So why do you dislike the NFL preseason
so much?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
It's boring.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
It's boring, and I think it's a waste of time
outside of outside of it just being a a spectacle
to put on television or a spectacle for the fans
to ten. I mean, you could do that as a practice.
It does feel like it's like a practice.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
It does beg the question because it is one thing
where during the summertime, when you're talking to coaching staffs,
and especially talking to coaching staffs in college that have
a big Week one matchup, one of the comments that
I always make is like, we don't have a preseason.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
So when you're going through.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
Training camp, Like there's elements of intensity you have to
have and you try to protect players, but you've got
to hit. You've got a bang, you've got a scrimmage
because we might be opening up Week one with the
game that could ultimately deter our season, Like it could
help elevate us and springboard us, it could literally cause
us to collapse where we over that.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Pros don't have that.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
And so there's an element of like, I understand what
you're saying in the sense of they are meaningless where
there's nothing on the line, Like what it's the fourth
quarter and both teams are time, you know, like it's
not like any team's really pushing to go get the
win one way or another that would like to see
their young guys or a backup or someone go get
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a win. But at the end of the day, they
just want to get back on the bus as many
healthy players as possible and make it back home safe.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Like that's the reality of Marvin Harrison Junior made the
comment I think last week where he said, yeah, I
wish we did have a pre like at least one
preseason game in college.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Well, most big schools used to have that because they
have like a cupcake exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, I just listen. I know you.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
You made the statement, well, what mint you have been
able to win the starting job?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, and my answer, the answer would be this, I'm
messing with you.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
The answer would be yes, because they would have been
warded to them through practice.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Just do whatever, I know, different than they do it
in college.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
So figure you wanted to debate me, but okay, I figured, okay,
I'm glad you were being set way too seriously, come on,
We're just sometimes I'm so super literal, and sometimes it
just depends on the mood that I'm in. You know,
I'm a pairent of five, and sometimes you can have
one of those days where they pluck your nerves so
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good that you don't you're not sure what you know,
where you're at, you know, emotionally so and then throw
marriage into that too, by the way, it could be
a part of it. So it's you, no, don't. No
one needs to turn this into a controversy. You know,
I'm not wearing a Packers jersey or jacket out of
Bear's game or anything anything like that. There's no controversies.
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I'm just saying it just depends my mood. Sometimes can
vary depending on you know what I got going on.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
So see, I thought you were not happy about your
guy ap going with Minshew as opposed to as.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
No, Listen, I think he's in a tough position because
he did not get a quarterback. And I think everyone
who's onlooking is probably you don't even have to be
an astute fan or person that understands football. I think
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we all know that they don't have a quarterback. I mean,
they're going to have to figure it out with out
a quarterback, and and and listen. I don't want to
sound like because to be a pro quarterback if you're Minshew,
if you're O'Connell, like God bless, you're in the pros
and you're playing, so you are a quarterback, I don't.
I don't mean to say it that way, and to
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you know, kind of be insulting to the fact that
they've accomplished what they've accomplished.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I don't want to be dismissive of who they are
as people, because that's wrong. But to the point of
do you have a guy like we we're watching guys
out there playing and listen, I don't. I don't pretend
to know if if Caleb Williams is going to be
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the guy, but it damn sure looks like he's going
to be, you know, one of the guys that that
is in this National Football League. And I think you
realize when you don't have a guy like look at
the New York Giants, look no further than the g Men.
If you think that they think they have a guy
at the quarterback position, I would probably debate it.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
And again on that point.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
On that point, I do find it interesting how preseason
it could either stoke the fires of expectations for franchises
or boy, it could already start that sea getting hot.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Because really, I mean, I mean just I hate to
jump on you, but but really, you can only.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Hurt yourself in preseason. That's what I think.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
You can only hurt yourself in preseason, like, because if
you do well, it's like, oh, it's preseason. You're not
going up against starters, you're not showing anything, it's preseason like,
it doesn't matter. But if you stink it up, if
you stink up preseason, then like Daniel Jones, like people
are jumping all on Daniel Jones, Daniel Jones, Daniel Jones,
Daniel Jones, like like all he has done has hurt himself.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Like if he didn't play, if they.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Weren't playing him, we wouldn't even know to hate him
so much or to not like how he's playing.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
We had still Hey, dude.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
I remember in two thousand and nine and we were
literally in preseason. It was Eric Manngini's first year. Brian
Dable was calling plays, and we were running stuff that
like trying to like scheme up, trying to like win,
trying to like look good in preseason. And we two
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we got to Denver and I know this say I
traded there the next year, and we get blown out
by the Broncos, not even I mean, we couldn't do
anything offense. And I remember talking to one of the
Broncos dbs and they were like, Bro, you guys did
everything you were doing in preseason like that like in
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our game. He's like, we knew everything you guys were
gonna do because y'all didn't change anything.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
It's like, why do you guys do that?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Go?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
I was like, honestly, our coaching staff like wanted to
like really look good in preseason, and so they showed
a lot of concepts.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
They showed a lot of things they.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Were doing, and we had a young team that year,
so it wasn't like a lot of new pieces, so
it wasn't like you could adjust and adapt and do a.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Ton of things.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
And I just I thought to myself at that moment, like, Yeah,
that's the difference. Like when I'm in year seven, when
I got to Seattle and that was a team that
ended up going on to win the Super Bowl, they
were just running vanilla basic concepts and they you know,
a lot oftentimes it was like if it was man
to man, they want you to go basically find a
matchup you like and give that guy a shot. And
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then there was actually, in particular, one moment when we
call a time out, Pete Carroll walks over and I
walked over to him and he goes, what are you think?
And I was like, I'm gonna throw to so and
so if he's matched up one on one again, and
he goes, exactly, He's like, that's exactly what I want
you to do.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I go perfect. So we go back out there literally
throw up a bomb to him.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
He ends up catching it for a touchdown, And that
was like, it was such an eye opening difference between
how a team that would eventually move on to win
a Super Bowl wanted to operate, wanted to put guys
in positions to compete, versus a coaching staff that was
just like trying to look good. And so to your point,
like I would actually say, you could there's really no
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upside in the sense of if you're a bad football
team that's trying to look good and you do look good,
you kind of set false expectations because a lot of
other teams are looking at the game the same way
you are, and if you do have a four pre season,
it can only then snowball effect, which it's funny, like
the Colts, remember the Colts Jonas with Peyton, I want
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to say the store work, they were off on the
preseason and would always like ball out. Obviously during his
time with the Colts, you could you could check the area,
go back and check that. But I want to say
that was one of the things that I used to
always look at and bring up and be like, the
Colts really never cared that much about preseason. They just
wanted to get to the regular season healthy and feel
good about where they were at.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
We went undefeated one year, five and o five and
oh wasn't fact keep saying fave and I think it
was five, and oh we went and the Hall of
Fame game, then Hall of Fame game. Maybe it was Osaka,
I don't know either was four?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Was five? And oh Osaka? Okay, we went to OCCA Japan.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Anyway, Uh, we've won like five games in the regular season.
I mean we went undefeated, whatever the number of games were.
We went undefeated in the preseason with coach Sperry or
his first year, and everybody was like, he he has arrived.
He he has brought that Florida Gators style to the
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NFL and it is a raft. I mean we got
to the regular season and we won five games.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Five Now was that during Like how many rounds of
golf do you think Spurrier got in a week?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I don't know, but he told you he was hitting there. Y'all.
Get the gym, y'all, y'all, get some some weights in,
you know, Uh, get home, get some rest. I'm I'm
gonna go. I'm gonna go hit them greens and a
couple of balls. Well, how would players are My line that.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I always felt like if we had enough pros, we
would have been a winning team. I just thought we
were young, we were immature, and and I just didn't
think that we handled how how I felt like Steve
Coach Spurrier respected us as pros.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Like he was always like, you know, we're all pros there.
That was his thing.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
He'd always say, we're all pros here, like you know,
it's gonna show. It's gonna show on film. You know,
if you're not there, if you don't end up being here,
it's because you put it on film or you didn't like,
we're all pros like hey, and I was. I was like, man, like,
this is the greatest coach ever of all time. Like
I love Coach Burrier because he allowed us to be
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who we wanted to be.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
To a fault. It was to a fault because there
was enough.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
There wasn't enough dudes that like dudes were going to
the club the night before games and stuff like.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
It was just bad.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
It was just a bad environment. But I mean, I
liked him. I thought his his schemes were were dope.
I just we didn't have a quarterback either. Back to
the original point, we never had a quarterback. He brought
in Shane Matthews. Love you bro, Like Shane dope dude,
brought in Danny Warfle love you, bro, dope dude. But
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we didn't have a guy. We didn't have a guy
at quarterback. We just did not have a guy. My
rookie year, we had two guys and they couldn't figure
it out. North couldn't figure it out. We you know,
we knows that. I really don't even think it was
that bad. We just didn't have a kicker. We just
we were losing games by like one point like every week.
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But we had Brad Johnson and Jeff George on the
same team and and that you know, that didn't even
work out.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
But you gotta have a guy, man, you gotta have
a guy. And I don't I don't know.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
I just think preseason preseason says that that the New
York Giants don't have a guy. Preseason says that the
Las Vegas Raiders they don't have a guy. I just
feel like you can figure out all of those things.
Whatever you're going to figure out, you can figure it
out in practice. All those things you want to work
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out on that, like you said, trying to look good
in a preseason game versus you know, getting the reads
and different things and the discussion points from the coach
and stuff like that. Like I get dress rehearsals, so
when you have those enter you know, those those two
squad dual squad scrimmages and practices and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I like the idea of that, I really do.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
I like the idea of two teams coming together, practicing together,
and then getting out of there instead of sitting all
of the starters or deciding to play a couple of them,
a couple of them get judged. What if what if
what if one of these other quarterbacks came out? What
if Pat Mahomes didn't do the behind the back? What
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if we didn't see Caleb play the way that he played.
Generally speaking, I was thinking this too, and I was
going to ask you about this. And I know we're
running a long, well, at least I'm running long because
I just don't hate I hate the preseason, But like,
when did you make some of your best play, your
best football? Your best football came in like the se
second quarter or the third quarter of a game because
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you were able to get a feel for what was
going on. You got the information. This is what they're
trying to do to me. This is what they're running.
Here's here are the adjustments, here's the feel of the game,
here's a feel of the speed of the game. All
these different elements that go into being able to make plays,
the plays that people want to see. Some of those plays,
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some of that solid play, a lot of times don't
come until later in the game.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
And if you're only playing one or two series in
a game, you can't.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
For me, I would hate to be judged on one
or two series of a game where it's a game
of getting into the flow of the game, feeling what's
going on in the game, looking at your coaches, looking
at your teammates, what are they doing out there? What
can we do to be better? Making the adjustment. I
just feel like, what is the point of it? And
(15:54):
I'm done, I'm off my soapbox.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Well, I think the quick answer to that is is
it used to be kind of the warm up for
guys before the real thing would happen. Obviously, as you know,
I know now, I think it's transitioned to help younger players,
rookies back into the roster, guys get their shot. So
I will say this for some of the guys, and
I've always got a soft spot by heart who weren't
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going to make it to the regular season roster, some
of the last football they may ever play, and in
the NFL putting on an NFL uniform, NFL field and
all that.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
So there's a soft spot in my heart for those guys.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
There's a soft spot in my heart for some of
those guys that that might be the only playing they
ever really get and they bounce around for a few
years and that's it. So I understand it's purpose to
your point of you know how many games and all that,
because I think you maybe called for one preseason game,
maybe one or two, probably one. I think they'll go
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to two at some point soon once they're go to eighteen.
But it, you know, it does seem like there is
some big time downside with potential injury risk. Except but
I look, I know Jonas loves it because the Bears
are hot right now.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Johnny, Oh listen, then you've got all the momentum. But uh,
don't wait, Williams lighting the world on front.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Whatever you do, don't you make comparisons because he does
not seem to be a fan of that. We will
get to hear from that and from Kaylen Williams on
all that coming up here shortly.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
It is maybe it was that he was throwing that day.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
I mean, I don't want to give it away on
the air, but LeVar made a point off the air
which I don't think you can actually say light on
light crime.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yes, yeah, said on air, Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Wow, all yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
We like Star Wars. Yes, yeah, you got, you got.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
It's perfectly like Star Wars. You got, you got the
light side, you got the dark side.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Wom like Sam won't won't won't like that. That's that's
wh w won That's the dark side.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Lee watches Star Wars too, He's on the dark side.
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Speaker 2 (18:53):
These rapid radios are.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Sweet, sweet, They're awesome. It just thinks that I'm not
actually home to actually use it right now.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Well, don't worry, the missus has got yours.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I know, I know, No, that was on the phone.
Where are you at, I'm I'm down in Florida.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Oh, I mean this is Yeah, it's gonna be way
too much fun, way too much fun. So we will
put those aside before we get everybody in trouble here
and be off and running here for hour two of
the program. Now, speaking of getting in trouble, jayde Daniels
might get in trouble all right, Dan Quinn, the head
(19:36):
coach of the Washington Commandos. You know, apparently last week
Jade and Daniels checked out of a play ended up
completing like a forty yard pass, but they were worried
because he nearly got hammered on the play and the
play that was initially called, I believe was a run play.
So he checked out. But why do that in the
(19:57):
preseason They're worried about Khim getting hit it. The latest
is he did not get down and slide properly, so
they want him to learn how to slide and get
down to protect his body. And so dan Quinn was
asked about all of that after the game this past weekend.
Speaker 8 (20:11):
Double secret probation. He is on all right, and uh
but no for him, I thought he had another really
good outing. Honestly, I don't know passing wise what it was,
but the accuracy, the decision making of where to go.
He really is a unique competitor. And uh so, but yes,
he was definitely in trouble again with the head coach.
(20:34):
That's exactly right. So he does not have a zero
poys zero. I would absolutely assure you of that. But yeah,
I don't did that come out on the TV? I
was telling him to slide or get down?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Is that? Okay? There we go.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Why has he not been named the starter yet? What
are we doing here? Like they've just not like there's
been no announcement.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
You need him to be I mean, I feel like
it's almost so obvious that I don't know that you
need him to be named the starter.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Do you. I mean you would just like it to
be like, oh I checked that off the box, Johnson.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
No, I mean I would just like it because we
need we need an official announcement.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Okay, so we don't. All right, here's the thing is,
the game is gonna be played week one. We're gonna
watch them trot out onto the field. We're gonna go, hey,
there's Jane Daniels, just like we thought.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Okay, well then I'm gonna stir up a quarterback controversy.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, let's go through this.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I believe.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
That Sam Hartman should get the job. Brady, what are
your thoughts on that. I think Sam Hartman should be
the starting quarterback for the w I think.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
They drafted Jade Daniels number two for all to be
their quarterback, so that seems pretty apparent. I think even
Sam Hartman would probably understand that.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Too, right, Like, by the way, ye're to the day
almost that we got to see Sam Hartman and Notre
Dame play in Dublin, Ireland.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's a good time. I don't know why you didn't want.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
To go back.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Marcus Mariota as the second string, by the way, and
drist Wold they have your boy Sam Hartman fourth.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Yeah, he'll be there though. I mean they paid him
a good amount for you know, for where he was taken.
I guess that's how you put it.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
So any concern or any problem with his inability to
get down or him checking out of that play that
dan Quinn has talked about.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
No, I think this is an awful topic for us
to focus on and spend any time on today. I
would rather talk about Lee's weekend. Uh, you know, extracurricular activities.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
All right, give me one second here, hold on, give
me one second, leash for moving on from that topic,
over and out?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
All right.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Oh, worst mistake I was I made was turning it
on and leaving the rapid radio on. I was like,
oh no, this is not a good idea.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So oh man, all right, So do you want to one?
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Do you want to transition smoothly over to the Steelers
quarterback conversation?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
You want to.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Russell Wilson Levar's guy.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
It is a controversy.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Is it a controversy?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yes? It is so.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Russ made his first appearance with the Steelers that did
not go all that smooth for Pittsburgh, which by the end,
I think their starting center towards Rotator Cuff, so goes
from bad to worse for Pittsburgh. But Mike Tomlin, the
head coach of the Steelers, spoke over the weekend after
the game. Obviously he's got a situation going on with
(23:37):
Russell Wilson, he's got a situation going on with Justin Fields.
You know, he's having a vamp through this whole thing,
just like we heard on the show. And so here
was Mike Tomlin post game.
Speaker 9 (23:47):
It's somewhat of an incomplete study because you just don't
get a chance to see him operate or us operate,
or us established rhythm and personality when you're not winning
possession downs and we weren't, you know, the first three
so a series of the game, it was, you know,
three and out, and that's you're not gonna get an
opportunity to establish rhythm or or played the way that
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you would like as an individual or collective.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
It's gonna be the first year they go sub five
hundred under Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
I thought, here's the thing is LeVar gave this very
passionate pitch about the preseason and how much he dislikes it.
To start the show, I'm gonna say, my part of
the preseason that I can't stand is us reading too
much into it. So I am not one giving up
on the Steelers being a sub five hundred football team
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because of what we've seen so far in the quarterback play,
and we've seen other quarterbacks get off the slow starts
in general in the regular season and turn it on.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Let's just give this time.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
The first thing I'll point out, by the way, is
because I saw some you know when I was watching
the game that I went back and saw some clips.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
The offensive line is the biggest concern talk about it.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
I Mean, when you go back and watch them of
the plays people are dogging Russell Wilson, I'm like, okay,
are we not going to talk about the right tackle though,
getting absolutely bullied back into his lap? Like that's the
first issue. If you're in the Pittsburgh Steelers and you
don't have your offensive line right, it doesn't matter what.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Russell Wilson or Justin Fields does.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
It doesn't matter what your backfield looks like, or Jalen Warren,
who's banged up now, is gonna miss a little bit
of time, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if pickets can
separate and could be the best receiving in the league,
You're not gonna have enough time.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
To get into football.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Like This team to me, has been built on defense
and been built on nasty offensive lines, physicality on offense,
and then the ability to create big play. That's their
their mo that's their history throughout time. That's correct, but
they do not have that right now, at least in
my opinion. That's a greater concern than the quarterback situation is.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
In my mind, yeah, the O line is a concern.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
And that's why I felt like this is a conversation
because what we did not see Russell Wilson do was
move around. And obviously you know he we've talked or
it's been talked about him having the calf injury. I mean,
is he to the age now where what he did
in that game is what he's going to do, which
is he's going to dump that thing off quickly. I'm
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going to check it down very quickly. And then now
that that begs the question whether he has thrown for
more yardage then justin fields or not, whether he's been
a more impactful player in ways that he's played, even
in Denver more than Justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Is Justin Fields the.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Better option because of the offensive line not being very
you know, very good. I mean, the running game does
not look like it's going to be able to sustain
if the offensive line is getting collapsed as easily as
they were in this last game. So does that now
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beg the question Justin Fields is willing to run. He's
willing to be an extra running back out of that
backfield and go get extra yards.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I just wonder is.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
There should there be the consideration as they move forward,
because again I hate preseason, so I don't know if
what is taking place is going to happen in the
regular season. I don't know if there's a direct correlation. So,
but if it does turn out that this offensive line
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isn't very good once they get into the regular season,
then are you going to as you heard coach talk
about winning those possession those possession plays? How are you
going to win those possession plays if you can't complete
those passes because you don't have enough time. Are you
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going to just resign to the fact that you're going
to be punting the ball and you got to play defense,
which their defense is going to be pretty sick this year.
I think they're going to be really, really good. So
if their defense is playing up to standard. To answer
your question, Jonas, no, they will not be a sub
five hundred team. But will they be a team that's
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above five hundred that has been kind of looked at
the same way that they've been looked at in previous years,
which is in a lot of ways not good enough.
That's not good enough anymore to just be above five
hundred or to make it to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
That's just not good enough anymore. So how is this
going to play out?
Speaker 5 (28:43):
I think there is going to be a quarterbacks controversy,
and I think it's going to be because Russell Wilson
is going to be the starter. But Russell Wilson is
going to try to win the games with his arms
and I don't know how much he's going to use
his legs and his feet. And that is going to
become more of a conversation, I believe as we get
deeper into the regular season getting started.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
So Stefanski said that, you know, on the subject of
offensive line health, the Browns, Yeah, well, the Browns are
butchered on the.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Offensive right right there, really bad.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
And so Stefanski, you guys were talking about the offensive
line play. He's basically he's basically said, now like, look,
I don't know if we're going to play Deshaun Watson
in the final preseason game. That was the plan, but
with all the injuries and the health and performance of
the offensive line, now he's second guessing it, Like, you know,
I mean, that's the plan, but you know, I take
it day by day, week by week. Wouldn't you say, like,
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if that's the case, just table that as well too,
if they're dealing with offensive line issues, much like Pittsburgh
is on the case of Cleveland, Like, wouldn't you just say,
all right, let's just wait.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
To the regular sharp transition to Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Well, no, I'm just saying it was a subject of
offensive line play.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I get that, But I mean I thought were talking
about the quarterbacks there in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
First, leash, not into the offensive line talk either over
and out over and now our.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Kids have school, so no one's listening to the radio
right now. Back to the original conversation. I'm not sure
why we transitioned so abruptly to Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
It was offensive line play. You were talking about the
poor play of the about.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
The quarterbacks, we're talking about Russell Wilson. Okayjana.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
And it was also the offensive line play, and so
I brought up Deshaun Watson because it's the same division.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
You just want to bring up to Sean Watts some
sort of hand cannon, Joe.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
I know I'm trying to I have run down, I
have rundown in integrity here look on the rundown it
says Deshaun Watson right there.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Up at the time. You want us to go.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Back to how you transitioned into this topic and talking
about quarterbacks, because we went from Jane Daniels in Washington
and why haven't they announcing the starter to then you
pivoted to the quarterback situation in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
That's correct, Okay. So we were still trying to hang
on that part of it.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
And yes, the offensive line has been bad, but it
was more in regards to the quarterback play that was
not good that we saw from Pitts.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Could you guys finish that topic for us?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Could you guys not see the thread there?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
So we started in Washington where LeVar started his career.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Then we transitioned over to Pittsburgh, Levar's favorite team growing up,
and then we got to.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Cleveland, which was I mean, I'm just trying. I'm trying
to weave it all together here and.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
A question get him out of here, Lee, Lee, get
him out of here. So the old line is an issue.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
But the other concern would be I would have I'm
a Pittsburgh Steelers fan, is if you watched the Matt
Kenneda offense all last season and then really even for
the years before that, and then you.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Were watching this now in the preseason.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
I think that's the other person that's got to be
concerned is Arthur Smith. Like he's the guy who's supposed
to come and fix all of this, and yet he's
got an offensive line that feels like, at least right now,
has some holes. He's got a quarterback situation that no
one's running away with it. They essentially given it to
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Russell Wilson to be the starter and then maybe Fields
could come in. But it's not like Field is lighting
the world up either. I mean, outside of a couple
of runs which were great, like that was that was it.
So you've got a thing too that if if you're
Arthur Smith. Now again it's a new offense there in
Pittsburgh with Arthur Smith. Maybe he's holding stuff back. Maybe
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he doesn't want to show everything in preseason like good
o C's you know do they don't show all their stuff.
They just run a few basic concepts. Oh guys respond.
Maybe that's more of it. But he's also a guy
that I think, more than any other offensive coordinator in
the league, immediately jumps into a situation where people are
going to be talking about him.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
It's not just going to be the quarterback player, you know,
the play on the field.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
It's going to be the play calling and that's going
to be dissected purely because of how bad Matt Canada
won was the previous few years. And everyone knows that
this defense is holding its own. It's it's been able
to hold up its end of the bargain. It's not
really up to the offense. I think that's the interesting
thing about Pittsburgh to me is they've got a lot
of moving parts in regards to who's going to take
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the blame for when things don't go wrong there.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
If they don't go well, Mike, Mike Tomlin is going
to take the blame for certain, and that's that's a
big deal because I think he doesn't get out of
the way of it this year, Like you can't if
if it was Matt Canada and now you've got Arthur
Smith doing it now, It's it's like you can't keep
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saying Okay, it's so crazy because it's like kind of
the same storyline in State College. You know, just two hours,
hour and a half, you know, going what east, northwest, Eastern.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Anyway Central. Uh, It's just you can't get out of
the way of it. College, Yeah, go on there next week.
You can't put out a way of it.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
To answer your question, though, in regards to how to
I like you see the division. This will be the
most fun division to follow this year. I can promise
you that. I think every single team there is a question.
Like when we heard Albert Breer talk about the Bengals
and his visit there, He's like, well, if everyone's on
the field, okay, kind of a big if, right, Like
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Burrow's dealt with health issues. Jamar Chase wants a new contract.
We hear Chadow chose Singo say he thinks they're gonna
get one done with this week. But if they don't
get one done this week, Like he ain't gonna be
on the field unless he has a new contract. That's
a problem. We already know the t Higgins, you know,
stuff that's been going on there. They don't have a
deep roster. So if they do, you know, suffer some injuries,
that could be some there could be some issues there.
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You go to Baltimore, if they lose Mike McDonald out
to Seattle to become the head coach, how does the
defense adjust that's been one of the most consistent, you know,
parts of that team.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
And what does Lamar look like?
Speaker 6 (34:57):
You know in year two in this offense is as
they can and you to grow in a Todd munkin
you know, I think I think they're the favorite still.
Like if I was a betting man, I'd be putting
all my money on Baltimore to win that division. But
then you've got Cleveland that's got this ridiculously talented roster
that's not healthy right now, and that's a problem. And
you're looking at like, all right, how does Deshaun Watson
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look in this offense? Does he finally you know, have
the type of year they've hoped he was going to have.
Since he's gotten there and can he stay healthy at
Every single one of these teams has questions, and I
think you can make a case any single one of
those four teams could win it. You know, I think
Tomlin's the best coach, right Stefanski won Coach of the
Year last year based on what he dealt with with
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all their adversity. But that's not to take anything away
from you know, John Harball, and he's probably to me
right there, you know, next to next to Tomlin, like
those two. And then you've got, you know, obviously a
Cincinnati Bengals team that I think has a solid staff.
But it just you could you could pick any one
of those teams to emerge to win the division.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
I think way to be that tight, that much fun,
Way more unknowns than knowns in terms of why it
would turn out to be one team's division versus the other.
I think that that's to me what I would say,
just too many unknowns.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
But could you name another division where you feel like
all four teams could win it? Like I was trying
to think through that, Like I don't feel about that
way about.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
The a f C West, not just I don't feel
that way about the a f C South. I don't
feel that way about the AFC East.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, there's one team usually in every division that you.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
The NFC South.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
Yeah, but then the NFC South it's like everyone's I
guess we're just right off the Saints at this point.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
The Panthers.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
If Sam Darnold plays as well as there hoping he does,
then the NFC North could be wide open.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Cut it. I mean, I mean, I just I think
it's Detroit's division.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I wanted it to be wide Why do I want
it to be wide open?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah? I think the Bears have a lot more room
than people think that.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
Vikings are in rebuild mode and now they've got a backup,
you know, essentially starting for them.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
That's gonna be a lot tougher than people think. I'm not.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
I think you've got you've got two good teams that
are going to be playoff teams in Green Bay and Detroit,
and the other two is we'll kind of see.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Where they're at.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
I don't think you can make a legitimate case for
either of those two teams winning it like you could
in NFC North. What if I said the NFC West,
though I still don't, that'd probably be the closest. But
is anyone making a legitimate shot for the Cardinals.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
I would I say, the Cardinals could be a decent
team this year, man, but they're not gonna win the division.
I think they could compete for the division this year,
I don't think so. I think they can healthy Kyler
Murray the addition of Marvin Harrison junior. See if it
was the opposite die, if it was a quarterback that
was coming in as a newbie, I would say, I
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would say that, I think they've been such a competitive
team when they have Kyler Murray on the field.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
So when it comes to the odds on DraftKings, the
Steelers amongst all teams that are the biggest long shot
in the division, the Steelers have the shortest odds, followed
by Minnesota. So Pittsburgh is eight to one to win
the division. Minnesota's plus nine fifty, so a little over
nine to one to win the division. So I mean
it seems like those two are at least the most plausible.
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But you know, in Arizona plus thirteen hundred, which means
you throw down ten bucks, you'll want a lyric. Yet
if they win the division over that, yeah, it's basically
basically hid cloud.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
You guys got it. I'm telling you got to get
all these things leash.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
We're wrapping up now over so much fun, man, We're
gonna have so much fun with easily.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
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Speaker 2 (39:18):
All right, Lee, what do we got?
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Lee?
Speaker 2 (39:22):
What do we got?
Speaker 10 (39:23):
I was owned with you guys on Friday.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, but that days ago.
Speaker 10 (39:28):
Well, I've been doing a lot of walking lately. Oh
too much walking.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Your chevar legs.
Speaker 10 (39:34):
Yeah, a little uh, a little chaffon.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Why have you been walking so much? Because some of
our listeners and who don't know, oh yeah, so uh.
Speaker 10 (39:42):
Last week, of course, we had all heard about the
uh I don't think so, the neighbors and the you know,
my neighborhood, my friendly neighborhood bumps who decided to break
into my car and steal my nomadic bag along with
my laptop and all my forms of ID. So that's
that's a whole fun, hass and a half that I
have to deal with. I got to go get a
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new driver's license and a new passport. And on top
of all that, my car decided to die outside of
a liquor store. Ah yeah, uly Luckily it was outside
of a liquor store, so I could immediately start self medicating.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
But now that I have to get a new car,
by the way, starting interrupt.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
But if Lee were to say to you, guys, hey,
my car died, you have to you have to guess
what kind of place it was out in front of.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Wouldn't you all say the liquor store.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
That would be the most I mean, the most feasible
place for it to be.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Well, you got your valuables out, though not all of
them know they're all still in the trunk.
Speaker 10 (40:42):
I got to go today, make my way to go
get my golf clubs and other stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
You got your alcohol out?
Speaker 10 (40:48):
Oh that's true. Yes, I did get that stuff out,
that most important, most important thing. But now that I
got to go find a new car, I can't even
test drive a car because I have no form of
identification to prove who I am or that to allow
me to drive a car. Because of the freaking bums,
stole my identity, stole my identity. Do you need to
ride home today?
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Lee?
Speaker 10 (41:08):
I was gonna ask you for a right today, Laury,
and I appreciate that. I might take you up on
that later in the week.
Speaker 6 (41:13):
Hey, Lee, I would try to hold in some of
those parts you've got just you know, kind of brewing
up there.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
I tried to.
Speaker 10 (41:19):
Yeah, I know, I got I know, she's she's not
gonna offer me right anymore. I try to go, uh,
use the restroom today, but you know, after a weekend
mondays are a little hard.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
To use the h that's too much, I mean, Lee,
I are okay, Now, your foul movements.
Speaker 10 (41:33):
I'm not talking about my movements. I'm talking about other
people's pallet movement.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Oh god, what why are you speaking for other people
in their power movements?
Speaker 10 (41:39):
I'm saying I can't even use the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
It's unuseful, oh, because other people are already in there.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (41:45):
But it's a long weekend without uh, without without being served.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Who who are you throwing shit at?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
I don't know, I don't tell this, ain't me.
Speaker 10 (41:53):
No, I'm saying it's a whole weekend full of crew crew. Well,
weekend Crew. Oh it doesn't get it doesn't get clean
between Friday and.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Monday Mondays during football season. When Berdo was here, it's rough.
I mean, you and him had this place.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
I got some nerve talking about a clean, nice, fresh smelling.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Why is that bar?
Speaker 5 (42:16):
I mean, come on, come on, what are you talking about?
What you're talking about, Willis? I keep talking about what
you're talking about.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Arrington, Rady Win and Jonas Knots on
Fox Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feel here in a Monday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Happy Monday, Yeah, Hey Monday. Yeah, everybody's fired up? Mean
why not?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I mean everybody's excited.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I mean, listen, I know you're excited Jonas well.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Look, I'm just glad that we have a preseason so
that we can actually get a glimpse at some of
the talent that takes the field in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
See, this is why I don't write notes. What are
you talking? This is exactly why I don't write y'all.
This is why you guys.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
You know why, because you guys are going to debate
what I say. So I wait for the show to
say what it is I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
No, I don't. I'm just I just could not.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
I just my dismay for the preseason and and how
I feel about it is so strong that I just
decided to put it in, knowing knowing that this was
going to lead to you guys debating me in the
email and then it being you you and I knew
you were going like like like an instant instigator of
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it as soon as we got into the show.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
That's why I don't do it, No, because I do
the decision.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
That's right, That's why the decision. Well, why do you
think it is cute?
Speaker 5 (01:27):
I mean there's there's like it sounds like you guys
have had a conversation about it.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
There could be a Marrio out of reasons. That doesn't
matter at the end of the day. I guess I'm
just curious because here's the thing is, our audience doesn't
understand why. So why do you dislike the NFL preseason
so much?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
It's boring.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
It's boring, and I think it's a waste of time
outside of outside of it just being a a spectacle
to put on television or a spectacle for the fans
to ten. I mean, you could do that as a practice.
It does feel like it's like a practice.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
It does beg the question because it is one thing
where during the summertime, when you're talking to coaching staffs,
and especially talking to coaching staffs in college that have
a big Week one matchup, one of the comments that
I always make is like, we don't have a preseason.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
So when you're going through.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
Training camp, Like there's elements of intensity you have to
have and you try to protect players, but you've got
to hit. You've got a bang, you've got a scrimmage
because we might be opening up Week one with the
game that could ultimately deter our season, Like it could
help elevate us and springboard us, it could literally cause
us to collapse where we over that.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Pros don't have that.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
And so there's an element of like, I understand what
you're saying in the sense of they are meaningless where
there's nothing on the line, Like what it's the fourth
quarter and both teams are time, you know, like it's
not like any team's really pushing to go get the
win one way or another that would like to see
their young guys or a backup or someone go get
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a win. But at the end of the day, they
just want to get back on the bus as many
healthy players as possible and make it back home safe.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Like that's the reality of Marvin Harrison Junior made the
comment I think last week where he said, yeah, I
wish we did have a pre like at least one
preseason game in college.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Well, most big schools used to have that because they
have like a cupcake exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, I just listen. I know you.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
You made the statement, well, what mint you have been
able to win the starting job?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, and my answer, the answer would be this, I'm
messing with you.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
The answer would be yes, because they would have been
warded to them through practice.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Just do whatever, I know, different than they do it
in college.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
So figure you wanted to debate me, but okay, I figured, okay,
I'm glad you were being set way too seriously, come on,
We're just sometimes I'm so super literal, and sometimes it
just depends on the mood that I'm in. You know,
I'm a pairent of five, and sometimes you can have
one of those days where they pluck your nerves so
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good that you don't you're not sure what you know,
where you're at, you know, emotionally so and then throw
marriage into that too, by the way, it could be
a part of it. So it's you, no, don't. No
one needs to turn this into a controversy. You know,
I'm not wearing a Packers jersey or jacket out of
Bear's game or anything anything like that. There's no controversies.
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I'm just saying it just depends my mood. Sometimes can
vary depending on you know what I got going on.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
So see, I thought you were not happy about your
guy ap going with Minshew as opposed to as.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
No, Listen, I think he's in a tough position because
he did not get a quarterback. And I think everyone
who's onlooking is probably you don't even have to be
an astute fan or person that understands football. I think
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we all know that they don't have a quarterback. I mean,
they're going to have to figure it out with out
a quarterback, and and and listen. I don't want to
sound like because to be a pro quarterback if you're Minshew,
if you're O'Connell, like God bless, you're in the pros
and you're playing, so you are a quarterback, I don't.
I don't mean to say it that way, and to
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you know, kind of be insulting to the fact that
they've accomplished what they've accomplished.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I don't want to be dismissive of who they are
as people, because that's wrong. But to the point of
do you have a guy like we we're watching guys
out there playing and listen, I don't. I don't pretend
to know if if Caleb Williams is going to be
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the guy, but it damn sure looks like he's going
to be, you know, one of the guys that that
is in this National Football League. And I think you
realize when you don't have a guy like look at
the New York Giants, look no further than the g Men.
If you think that they think they have a guy
at the quarterback position, I would probably debate it.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
And again on that point.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
On that point, I do find it interesting how preseason
it could either stoke the fires of expectations for franchises
or boy, it could already start that sea getting hot.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Because really, I mean, I mean just I hate to
jump on you, but but really, you can only.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Hurt yourself in preseason. That's what I think.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
You can only hurt yourself in preseason, like, because if
you do well, it's like, oh, it's preseason. You're not
going up against starters, you're not showing anything, it's preseason like,
it doesn't matter. But if you stink it up, if
you stink up preseason, then like Daniel Jones, like people
are jumping all on Daniel Jones, Daniel Jones, Daniel Jones,
Daniel Jones, like like all he has done has hurt himself.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Like if he didn't play, if they.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Weren't playing him, we wouldn't even know to hate him
so much or to not like how he's playing.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
We had still Hey, dude.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
I remember in two thousand and nine and we were
literally in preseason. It was Eric Manngini's first year. Brian
Dable was calling plays, and we were running stuff that
like trying to like scheme up, trying to like win,
trying to like look good in preseason. And we two
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we got to Denver and I know this say I
traded there the next year, and we get blown out
by the Broncos, not even I mean, we couldn't do
anything offense. And I remember talking to one of the
Broncos dbs and they were like, Bro, you guys did
everything you were doing in preseason like that like in
(08:12):
our game. He's like, we knew everything you guys were
gonna do because y'all didn't change anything.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
It's like, why do you guys do that?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Go?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
I was like, honestly, our coaching staff like wanted to
like really look good in preseason, and so they showed
a lot of concepts.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
They showed a lot of things they.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Were doing, and we had a young team that year,
so it wasn't like a lot of new pieces, so
it wasn't like you could adjust and adapt and do a.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Ton of things.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
And I just I thought to myself at that moment, like, Yeah,
that's the difference. Like when I'm in year seven, when
I got to Seattle and that was a team that
ended up going on to win the Super Bowl, they
were just running vanilla basic concepts and they you know,
a lot oftentimes it was like if it was man
to man, they want you to go basically find a
matchup you like and give that guy a shot. And
(08:57):
then there was actually, in particular, one moment when we
call a time out, Pete Carroll walks over and I
walked over to him and he goes, what are you think?
And I was like, I'm gonna throw to so and
so if he's matched up one on one again, and
he goes, exactly, He's like, that's exactly what I want
you to do.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I go perfect. So we go back out there literally
throw up a bomb to him.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
He ends up catching it for a touchdown, And that
was like, it was such an eye opening difference between
how a team that would eventually move on to win
a Super Bowl wanted to operate, wanted to put guys
in positions to compete, versus a coaching staff that was
just like trying to look good. And so to your point,
like I would actually say, you could there's really no
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upside in the sense of if you're a bad football
team that's trying to look good and you do look good,
you kind of set false expectations because a lot of
other teams are looking at the game the same way
you are, and if you do have a four pre season,
it can only then snowball effect, which it's funny, like
the Colts, remember the Colts Jonas with Peyton, I want
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to say the store work, they were off on the
preseason and would always like ball out. Obviously during his
time with the Colts, you could you could check the area,
go back and check that. But I want to say
that was one of the things that I used to
always look at and bring up and be like, the
Colts really never cared that much about preseason. They just
wanted to get to the regular season healthy and feel
good about where they were at.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
We went undefeated one year, five and o five and
oh wasn't fact keep saying fave and I think it
was five, and oh we went and the Hall of
Fame game, then Hall of Fame game. Maybe it was Osaka,
I don't know either was four?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Was five? And oh Osaka? Okay, we went to OCCA Japan.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Anyway, Uh, we've won like five games in the regular season.
I mean we went undefeated, whatever the number of games were.
We went undefeated in the preseason with coach Sperry or
his first year, and everybody was like, he he has arrived.
He he has brought that Florida Gators style to the
(11:08):
NFL and it is a raft. I mean we got
to the regular season and we won five games.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Five Now was that during Like how many rounds of
golf do you think Spurrier got in a week?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I don't know, but he told you he was hitting there. Y'all.
Get the gym, y'all, y'all, get some some weights in,
you know, Uh, get home, get some rest. I'm I'm
gonna go. I'm gonna go hit them greens and a
couple of balls. Well, how would players are My line that.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I always felt like if we had enough pros, we
would have been a winning team. I just thought we
were young, we were immature, and and I just didn't
think that we handled how how I felt like Steve
Coach Spurrier respected us as pros.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Like he was always like, you know, we're all pros there.
That was his thing.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
He'd always say, we're all pros here, like you know,
it's gonna show. It's gonna show on film. You know,
if you're not there, if you don't end up being here,
it's because you put it on film or you didn't like,
we're all pros like hey, and I was. I was like, man, like,
this is the greatest coach ever of all time. Like
I love Coach Burrier because he allowed us to be
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who we wanted to be.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
To a fault. It was to a fault because there
was enough.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
There wasn't enough dudes that like dudes were going to
the club the night before games and stuff like.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
It was just bad.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
It was just a bad environment. But I mean, I
liked him. I thought his his schemes were were dope.
I just we didn't have a quarterback either. Back to
the original point, we never had a quarterback. He brought
in Shane Matthews. Love you bro, Like Shane dope dude,
brought in Danny Warfle love you, bro, dope dude. But
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we didn't have a guy. We didn't have a guy
at quarterback. We just did not have a guy. My
rookie year, we had two guys and they couldn't figure
it out. North couldn't figure it out. We you know,
we knows that. I really don't even think it was
that bad. We just didn't have a kicker. We just
we were losing games by like one point like every week.
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But we had Brad Johnson and Jeff George on the
same team and and that you know, that didn't even
work out.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
But you gotta have a guy, man, you gotta have
a guy. And I don't I don't know.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
I just think preseason preseason says that that the New
York Giants don't have a guy. Preseason says that the
Las Vegas Raiders they don't have a guy. I just
feel like you can figure out all of those things.
Whatever you're going to figure out, you can figure it
out in practice. All those things you want to work
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out on that, like you said, trying to look good
in a preseason game versus you know, getting the reads
and different things and the discussion points from the coach
and stuff like that. Like I get dress rehearsals, so
when you have those enter you know, those those two
squad dual squad scrimmages and practices and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I like the idea of that, I really do.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
I like the idea of two teams coming together, practicing together,
and then getting out of there instead of sitting all
of the starters or deciding to play a couple of them,
a couple of them get judged. What if what if
what if one of these other quarterbacks came out? What
if Pat Mahomes didn't do the behind the back? What
(14:40):
if we didn't see Caleb play the way that he played.
Generally speaking, I was thinking this too, and I was
going to ask you about this. And I know we're
running a long, well, at least I'm running long because
I just don't hate I hate the preseason, But like,
when did you make some of your best play, your
best football? Your best football came in like the se
second quarter or the third quarter of a game because
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you were able to get a feel for what was
going on. You got the information. This is what they're
trying to do to me. This is what they're running.
Here's here are the adjustments, here's the feel of the game,
here's a feel of the speed of the game. All
these different elements that go into being able to make plays,
the plays that people want to see. Some of those plays,
(15:25):
some of that solid play, a lot of times don't
come until later in the game.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
And if you're only playing one or two series in
a game, you can't.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
For me, I would hate to be judged on one
or two series of a game where it's a game
of getting into the flow of the game, feeling what's
going on in the game, looking at your coaches, looking
at your teammates, what are they doing out there? What
can we do to be better? Making the adjustment. I
just feel like, what is the point of it? And
(15:54):
I'm done, I'm off my soapbox.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Well, I think the quick answer to that is is
it used to be kind of the warm up for
guys before the real thing would happen. Obviously, as you know,
I know now, I think it's transitioned to help younger players,
rookies back into the roster, guys get their shot. So
I will say this for some of the guys, and
I've always got a soft spot by heart who weren't
(16:18):
going to make it to the regular season roster, some
of the last football they may ever play, and in
the NFL putting on an NFL uniform, NFL field and
all that.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
So there's a soft spot in my heart for those guys.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
There's a soft spot in my heart for some of
those guys that that might be the only playing they
ever really get and they bounce around for a few
years and that's it. So I understand it's purpose to
your point of you know how many games and all that,
because I think you maybe called for one preseason game,
maybe one or two, probably one. I think they'll go
(16:51):
to two at some point soon once they're go to eighteen.
But it, you know, it does seem like there is
some big time downside with potential injury risk. Except but
I look, I know Jonas loves it because the Bears
are hot right now.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Johnny, Oh listen, then you've got all the momentum. But uh,
don't wait, Williams lighting the world on front.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Whatever you do, don't you make comparisons because he does
not seem to be a fan of that. We will
get to hear from that and from Kaylen Williams on
all that coming up here shortly.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
It is maybe it was that he was throwing that day.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
I mean, I don't want to give it away on
the air, but LeVar made a point off the air
which I don't think you can actually say light on
light crime.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yes, yeah, said on air, Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Wow, all yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
We like Star Wars. Yes, yeah, you got, you got.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
It's perfectly like Star Wars. You got, you got the
light side, you got the dark side.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Wom like Sam won't won't won't like that. That's that's
wh w won That's the dark side.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Lee watches Star Wars too, He's on the dark side.
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Speaker 2 (18:53):
These rapid radios are.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Sweet, sweet, They're awesome. It just thinks that I'm not
actually home to actually use it right now.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Well, don't worry, the missus has got yours.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I know, I know, No, that was on the phone.
Where are you at, I'm I'm down in Florida.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Oh, I mean this is Yeah, it's gonna be way
too much fun, way too much fun. So we will
put those aside before we get everybody in trouble here
and be off and running here for hour two of
the program. Now, speaking of getting in trouble, jayde Daniels
might get in trouble all right, Dan Quinn, the head
(19:36):
coach of the Washington Commandos. You know, apparently last week
Jade and Daniels checked out of a play ended up
completing like a forty yard pass, but they were worried
because he nearly got hammered on the play and the
play that was initially called, I believe was a run play.
So he checked out. But why do that in the
(19:57):
preseason They're worried about Khim getting hit it. The latest
is he did not get down and slide properly, so
they want him to learn how to slide and get
down to protect his body. And so dan Quinn was
asked about all of that after the game this past weekend.
Speaker 8 (20:11):
Double secret probation. He is on all right, and uh
but no for him, I thought he had another really
good outing. Honestly, I don't know passing wise what it was,
but the accuracy, the decision making of where to go.
He really is a unique competitor. And uh so, but yes,
he was definitely in trouble again with the head coach.
(20:34):
That's exactly right. So he does not have a zero
poys zero. I would absolutely assure you of that. But yeah,
I don't did that come out on the TV? I
was telling him to slide or get down?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Is that? Okay? There we go.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Why has he not been named the starter yet? What
are we doing here? Like they've just not like there's
been no announcement.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
You need him to be I mean, I feel like
it's almost so obvious that I don't know that you
need him to be named the starter.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Do you. I mean you would just like it to
be like, oh I checked that off the box, Johnson.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
No, I mean I would just like it because we
need we need an official announcement.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Okay, so we don't. All right, here's the thing is,
the game is gonna be played week one. We're gonna
watch them trot out onto the field. We're gonna go, hey,
there's Jane Daniels, just like we thought.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Okay, well then I'm gonna stir up a quarterback controversy.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, let's go through this.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I believe.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
That Sam Hartman should get the job. Brady, what are
your thoughts on that. I think Sam Hartman should be
the starting quarterback for the w I think.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
They drafted Jade Daniels number two for all to be
their quarterback, so that seems pretty apparent. I think even
Sam Hartman would probably understand that.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Too, right, Like, by the way, ye're to the day
almost that we got to see Sam Hartman and Notre
Dame play in Dublin, Ireland.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's a good time. I don't know why you didn't want.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
To go back.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Marcus Mariota as the second string, by the way, and
drist Wold they have your boy Sam Hartman fourth.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Yeah, he'll be there though. I mean they paid him
a good amount for you know, for where he was taken.
I guess that's how you put it.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
So any concern or any problem with his inability to
get down or him checking out of that play that
dan Quinn has talked about.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
No, I think this is an awful topic for us
to focus on and spend any time on today. I
would rather talk about Lee's weekend. Uh, you know, extracurricular activities.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
All right, give me one second here, hold on, give
me one second, leash for moving on from that topic,
over and out?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
All right.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Oh, worst mistake I was I made was turning it
on and leaving the rapid radio on. I was like,
oh no, this is not a good idea.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So oh man, all right, So do you want to one?
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Do you want to transition smoothly over to the Steelers
quarterback conversation?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
You want to.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Russell Wilson Levar's guy.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
It is a controversy.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Is it a controversy?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yes? It is so.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Russ made his first appearance with the Steelers that did
not go all that smooth for Pittsburgh, which by the end,
I think their starting center towards Rotator Cuff, so goes
from bad to worse for Pittsburgh. But Mike Tomlin, the
head coach of the Steelers, spoke over the weekend after
the game. Obviously he's got a situation going on with
(23:37):
Russell Wilson, he's got a situation going on with Justin Fields.
You know, he's having a vamp through this whole thing,
just like we heard on the show. And so here
was Mike Tomlin post game.
Speaker 9 (23:47):
It's somewhat of an incomplete study because you just don't
get a chance to see him operate or us operate,
or us established rhythm and personality when you're not winning
possession downs and we weren't, you know, the first three
so a series of the game, it was, you know,
three and out, and that's you're not gonna get an
opportunity to establish rhythm or or played the way that
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you would like as an individual or collective.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
It's gonna be the first year they go sub five
hundred under Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
I thought, here's the thing is LeVar gave this very
passionate pitch about the preseason and how much he dislikes it.
To start the show, I'm gonna say, my part of
the preseason that I can't stand is us reading too
much into it. So I am not one giving up
on the Steelers being a sub five hundred football team
(24:38):
because of what we've seen so far in the quarterback play,
and we've seen other quarterbacks get off the slow starts
in general in the regular season and turn it on.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Let's just give this time.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
The first thing I'll point out, by the way, is
because I saw some you know when I was watching
the game that I went back and saw some clips.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
The offensive line is the biggest concern talk about it.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
I Mean, when you go back and watch them of
the plays people are dogging Russell Wilson, I'm like, okay,
are we not going to talk about the right tackle though,
getting absolutely bullied back into his lap? Like that's the
first issue. If you're in the Pittsburgh Steelers and you
don't have your offensive line right, it doesn't matter what.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Russell Wilson or Justin Fields does.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
It doesn't matter what your backfield looks like, or Jalen Warren,
who's banged up now, is gonna miss a little bit
of time, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if pickets can
separate and could be the best receiving in the league,
You're not gonna have enough time.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
To get into football.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Like This team to me, has been built on defense
and been built on nasty offensive lines, physicality on offense,
and then the ability to create big play. That's their
their mo that's their history throughout time. That's correct, but
they do not have that right now, at least in
my opinion. That's a greater concern than the quarterback situation is.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
In my mind, yeah, the O line is a concern.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
And that's why I felt like this is a conversation
because what we did not see Russell Wilson do was
move around. And obviously you know he we've talked or
it's been talked about him having the calf injury. I mean,
is he to the age now where what he did
in that game is what he's going to do, which
is he's going to dump that thing off quickly. I'm
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going to check it down very quickly. And then now
that that begs the question whether he has thrown for
more yardage then justin fields or not, whether he's been
a more impactful player in ways that he's played, even
in Denver more than Justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Is Justin Fields the.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Better option because of the offensive line not being very
you know, very good. I mean, the running game does
not look like it's going to be able to sustain
if the offensive line is getting collapsed as easily as
they were in this last game. So does that now
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beg the question Justin Fields is willing to run. He's
willing to be an extra running back out of that
backfield and go get extra yards.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I just wonder is.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
There should there be the consideration as they move forward,
because again I hate preseason, so I don't know if
what is taking place is going to happen in the
regular season. I don't know if there's a direct correlation. So,
but if it does turn out that this offensive line
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isn't very good once they get into the regular season,
then are you going to as you heard coach talk
about winning those possession those possession plays? How are you
going to win those possession plays if you can't complete
those passes because you don't have enough time. Are you
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going to just resign to the fact that you're going
to be punting the ball and you got to play defense,
which their defense is going to be pretty sick this year.
I think they're going to be really, really good. So
if their defense is playing up to standard. To answer
your question, Jonas, no, they will not be a sub
five hundred team. But will they be a team that's
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above five hundred that has been kind of looked at
the same way that they've been looked at in previous years,
which is in a lot of ways not good enough.
That's not good enough anymore to just be above five
hundred or to make it to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
That's just not good enough anymore. So how is this
going to play out?
Speaker 5 (28:43):
I think there is going to be a quarterbacks controversy,
and I think it's going to be because Russell Wilson
is going to be the starter. But Russell Wilson is
going to try to win the games with his arms
and I don't know how much he's going to use
his legs and his feet. And that is going to
become more of a conversation, I believe as we get
deeper into the regular season getting started.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
So Stefanski said that, you know, on the subject of
offensive line health, the Browns, Yeah, well, the Browns are
butchered on the.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Offensive right right there, really bad.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
And so Stefanski, you guys were talking about the offensive
line play. He's basically he's basically said, now like, look,
I don't know if we're going to play Deshaun Watson
in the final preseason game. That was the plan, but
with all the injuries and the health and performance of
the offensive line, now he's second guessing it, Like, you know,
I mean, that's the plan, but you know, I take
it day by day, week by week. Wouldn't you say, like,
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if that's the case, just table that as well too,
if they're dealing with offensive line issues, much like Pittsburgh
is on the case of Cleveland, Like, wouldn't you just say,
all right, let's just wait.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
To the regular sharp transition to Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Well, no, I'm just saying it was a subject of
offensive line play.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I get that, But I mean I thought were talking
about the quarterbacks there in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
First, leash, not into the offensive line talk either over
and out over and now our.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Kids have school, so no one's listening to the radio
right now. Back to the original conversation. I'm not sure
why we transitioned so abruptly to Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
It was offensive line play. You were talking about the
poor play of the about.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
The quarterbacks, we're talking about Russell Wilson. Okayjana.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
And it was also the offensive line play, and so
I brought up Deshaun Watson because it's the same division.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
You just want to bring up to Sean Watts some
sort of hand cannon, Joe.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
I know I'm trying to I have run down, I
have rundown in integrity here look on the rundown it
says Deshaun Watson right there.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Up at the time. You want us to go.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Back to how you transitioned into this topic and talking
about quarterbacks, because we went from Jane Daniels in Washington
and why haven't they announcing the starter to then you
pivoted to the quarterback situation in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
That's correct, Okay. So we were still trying to hang
on that part of it.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
And yes, the offensive line has been bad, but it
was more in regards to the quarterback play that was
not good that we saw from Pitts.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Could you guys finish that topic for us?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Could you guys not see the thread there?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
So we started in Washington where LeVar started his career.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Then we transitioned over to Pittsburgh, Levar's favorite team growing up,
and then we got to.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Cleveland, which was I mean, I'm just trying. I'm trying
to weave it all together here and.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
A question get him out of here, Lee, Lee, get
him out of here. So the old line is an issue.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
But the other concern would be I would have I'm
a Pittsburgh Steelers fan, is if you watched the Matt
Kenneda offense all last season and then really even for
the years before that, and then you.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Were watching this now in the preseason.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
I think that's the other person that's got to be
concerned is Arthur Smith. Like he's the guy who's supposed
to come and fix all of this, and yet he's
got an offensive line that feels like, at least right now,
has some holes. He's got a quarterback situation that no
one's running away with it. They essentially given it to
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Russell Wilson to be the starter and then maybe Fields
could come in. But it's not like Field is lighting
the world up either. I mean, outside of a couple
of runs which were great, like that was that was it.
So you've got a thing too that if if you're
Arthur Smith. Now again it's a new offense there in
Pittsburgh with Arthur Smith. Maybe he's holding stuff back. Maybe
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he doesn't want to show everything in preseason like good
o C's you know do they don't show all their stuff.
They just run a few basic concepts. Oh guys respond.
Maybe that's more of it. But he's also a guy
that I think, more than any other offensive coordinator in
the league, immediately jumps into a situation where people are
going to be talking about him.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
It's not just going to be the quarterback player, you know,
the play on the field.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
It's going to be the play calling and that's going
to be dissected purely because of how bad Matt Canada
won was the previous few years. And everyone knows that
this defense is holding its own. It's it's been able
to hold up its end of the bargain. It's not
really up to the offense. I think that's the interesting
thing about Pittsburgh to me is they've got a lot
of moving parts in regards to who's going to take
(33:15):
the blame for when things don't go wrong there.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
If they don't go well, Mike, Mike Tomlin is going
to take the blame for certain, and that's that's a
big deal because I think he doesn't get out of
the way of it this year, Like you can't if
if it was Matt Canada and now you've got Arthur
Smith doing it now, It's it's like you can't keep
(33:39):
saying Okay, it's so crazy because it's like kind of
the same storyline in State College. You know, just two hours,
hour and a half, you know, going what east, northwest, Eastern.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Anyway Central. Uh, It's just you can't get out of
the way of it. College, Yeah, go on there next week.
You can't put out a way of it.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
To answer your question, though, in regards to how to
I like you see the division. This will be the
most fun division to follow this year. I can promise
you that. I think every single team there is a question.
Like when we heard Albert Breer talk about the Bengals
and his visit there, He's like, well, if everyone's on
the field, okay, kind of a big if, right, Like
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Burrow's dealt with health issues. Jamar Chase wants a new contract.
We hear Chadow chose Singo say he thinks they're gonna
get one done with this week. But if they don't
get one done this week, Like he ain't gonna be
on the field unless he has a new contract. That's
a problem. We already know the t Higgins, you know,
stuff that's been going on there. They don't have a
deep roster. So if they do, you know, suffer some injuries,
that could be some there could be some issues there.
(34:47):
You go to Baltimore, if they lose Mike McDonald out
to Seattle to become the head coach, how does the
defense adjust that's been one of the most consistent, you know,
parts of that team.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
And what does Lamar look like?
Speaker 6 (34:57):
You know in year two in this offense is as
they can and you to grow in a Todd munkin
you know, I think I think they're the favorite still.
Like if I was a betting man, I'd be putting
all my money on Baltimore to win that division. But
then you've got Cleveland that's got this ridiculously talented roster
that's not healthy right now, and that's a problem. And
you're looking at like, all right, how does Deshaun Watson
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look in this offense? Does he finally you know, have
the type of year they've hoped he was going to have.
Since he's gotten there and can he stay healthy at
Every single one of these teams has questions, and I
think you can make a case any single one of
those four teams could win it. You know, I think
Tomlin's the best coach, right Stefanski won Coach of the
Year last year based on what he dealt with with
(35:39):
all their adversity. But that's not to take anything away
from you know, John Harball, and he's probably to me
right there, you know, next to next to Tomlin, like
those two. And then you've got, you know, obviously a
Cincinnati Bengals team that I think has a solid staff.
But it just you could you could pick any one
of those teams to emerge to win the division.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
I think way to be that tight, that much fun,
Way more unknowns than knowns in terms of why it
would turn out to be one team's division versus the other.
I think that that's to me what I would say,
just too many unknowns.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
But could you name another division where you feel like
all four teams could win it? Like I was trying
to think through that, Like I don't feel about that
way about.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
The a f C West, not just I don't feel
that way about the a f C South. I don't
feel that way about the AFC East.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, there's one team usually in every division that you.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
The NFC South.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
Yeah, but then the NFC South it's like everyone's I
guess we're just right off the Saints at this point.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
The Panthers.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
If Sam Darnold plays as well as there hoping he does,
then the NFC North could be wide open.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Cut it. I mean, I mean, I just I think
it's Detroit's division.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I wanted it to be wide Why do I want
it to be wide open?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah? I think the Bears have a lot more room
than people think that.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
Vikings are in rebuild mode and now they've got a backup,
you know, essentially starting for them.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
That's gonna be a lot tougher than people think. I'm not.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
I think you've got you've got two good teams that
are going to be playoff teams in Green Bay and Detroit,
and the other two is we'll kind of see.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Where they're at.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
I don't think you can make a legitimate case for
either of those two teams winning it like you could
in NFC North. What if I said the NFC West,
though I still don't, that'd probably be the closest. But
is anyone making a legitimate shot for the Cardinals.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
I would I say, the Cardinals could be a decent
team this year, man, but they're not gonna win the division.
I think they could compete for the division this year,
I don't think so. I think they can healthy Kyler
Murray the addition of Marvin Harrison junior. See if it
was the opposite die, if it was a quarterback that
was coming in as a newbie, I would say, I
(38:04):
would say that, I think they've been such a competitive
team when they have Kyler Murray on the field.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
So when it comes to the odds on DraftKings, the
Steelers amongst all teams that are the biggest long shot
in the division, the Steelers have the shortest odds, followed
by Minnesota. So Pittsburgh is eight to one to win
the division. Minnesota's plus nine fifty, so a little over
nine to one to win the division. So I mean
it seems like those two are at least the most plausible.
(38:34):
But you know, in Arizona plus thirteen hundred, which means
you throw down ten bucks, you'll want a lyric. Yet
if they win the division over that, yeah, it's basically
basically hid cloud.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
You guys got it. I'm telling you got to get
all these things leash.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
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Speaker 2 (39:18):
All right, Lee, what do we got?
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Lee?
Speaker 2 (39:22):
What do we got?
Speaker 10 (39:23):
I was owned with you guys on Friday.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, but that days ago.
Speaker 10 (39:28):
Well, I've been doing a lot of walking lately. Oh
too much walking.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Your chevar legs.
Speaker 10 (39:34):
Yeah, a little uh, a little chaffon.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Why have you been walking so much? Because some of
our listeners and who don't know, oh yeah, so uh.
Speaker 10 (39:42):
Last week, of course, we had all heard about the
uh I don't think so, the neighbors and the you know,
my neighborhood, my friendly neighborhood bumps who decided to break
into my car and steal my nomadic bag along with
my laptop and all my forms of ID. So that's
that's a whole fun, hass and a half that I
have to deal with. I got to go get a
(40:03):
new driver's license and a new passport. And on top
of all that, my car decided to die outside of
a liquor store. Ah yeah, uly Luckily it was outside
of a liquor store, so I could immediately start self medicating.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
But now that I have to get a new car,
by the way, starting interrupt.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
But if Lee were to say to you, guys, hey,
my car died, you have to you have to guess
what kind of place it was out in front of.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Wouldn't you all say the liquor store.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
That would be the most I mean, the most feasible
place for it to be.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Well, you got your valuables out, though not all of
them know they're all still in the trunk.
Speaker 10 (40:42):
I got to go today, make my way to go
get my golf clubs and other stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
You got your alcohol out?
Speaker 10 (40:48):
Oh that's true. Yes, I did get that stuff out,
that most important, most important thing. But now that I
got to go find a new car, I can't even
test drive a car because I have no form of
identification to prove who I am or that to allow
me to drive a car. Because of the freaking bums,
stole my identity, stole my identity. Do you need to
ride home today?
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Lee?
Speaker 10 (41:08):
I was gonna ask you for a right today, Laury,
and I appreciate that. I might take you up on
that later in the week.
Speaker 6 (41:13):
Hey, Lee, I would try to hold in some of
those parts you've got just you know, kind of brewing
up there.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
I tried to.
Speaker 10 (41:19):
Yeah, I know, I got I know, she's she's not
gonna offer me right anymore. I try to go, uh,
use the restroom today, but you know, after a weekend
mondays are a little hard.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
To use the h that's too much, I mean, Lee,
I are okay, Now, your foul movements.
Speaker 10 (41:33):
I'm not talking about my movements. I'm talking about other
people's pallet movement.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Oh god, what why are you speaking for other people
in their power movements?
Speaker 10 (41:39):
I'm saying I can't even use the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
It's unuseful, oh, because other people are already in there.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (41:45):
But it's a long weekend without uh, without without being served.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Who who are you throwing shit at?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
I don't know, I don't tell this, ain't me.
Speaker 10 (41:53):
No, I'm saying it's a whole weekend full of crew crew. Well,
weekend Crew. Oh it doesn't get it doesn't get clean
between Friday and.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Monday Mondays during football season. When Berdo was here, it's rough.
I mean, you and him had this place.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
I got some nerve talking about a clean, nice, fresh smelling.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Why is that bar?
Speaker 5 (42:16):
I mean, come on, come on, what are you talking about?
What you're talking about, Willis? I keep talking about what
you're talking about.
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