August 26, 2024 • 38 mins
Brian Noe & Jason Martin fill in for the guys and talk about the return of football with a slew of impressive performances from underdogs in college football over the weekend, the QB situation in Pittsburgh, and much more!
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way tire buying should be. Man, it gives me great pleasure,
Jason Martin, not just to do a show with you,
but to talk ball. Ball is finally back. We had
(01:08):
some actual, real counting games. Not that I'm against the
NFL preseason because I've been profiting on the NFL preseason, Jason,
I kind of hate saying it go, but there were real,
regular season games that counted in college football, and man,
the underdogs they came to play Georgia Tech with the
outright win as a ten and a half point underdog
(01:31):
against Florida State, and there were some other underdogs. They
all covered in these four main games on Saturday, and
it's just great to have ball back.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I know you're bouncing off the walls with football officially
being back here.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
No doubt. You know.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
I know how you feel about the two words game seven.
We've had this discussion before.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
But I feel it's an overrated two words compared to others.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Like I love Game set.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I just think super Bowl, Well, those are the two
biggest words in sports, biggest thing west, but not best.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
But I don't want to bring I don't want Eddie
Garcia to rip your head off again last time. But
I think there are four words that we can agree on,
and those would be football games that count. Saturday was
just glorious, Like even though you know it's not like
you had a bunch of marquee matchups, but you did
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get one very compelling game that already provided a storyline.
Then you see the end of the preseason. Sorry for
your bank account. As we move into the regular season.
But we're so close to all of football being one back,
and it just this is the best time of year.
It's the best time of year for what we do,
but because of what football means in the United States,
(02:50):
it's the best time of year pretty much for all
of us. Yes, you may have to come back and
go to work because the vacation season may be coming
to a rest, But man, the weekends get a lot
for the right kind of reasons, don't they.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, no doubt about that.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
And you hit on this where Look, man, the week
zero slate not the most desirable, you know, I I
changed it from week zero like w.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Eek, Week two, w eak.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
The week zero is like, what are we doing over here?
We got Montana State, we got FCS and Delaware State,
these are major windows.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
But these games turned out to be really good. Like
that SMU Nevada game that's nearly a four touchdown spread
and all of a sudden, SMU was in a dogfight.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
They barely won that game.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Last year.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Brian Nevada had two games last year and there they
were with the ball at the end of the games.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
SMU escaped that one.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
They did absolutely they did so, even though those weren't
marquee matchups at all, the games were all good. Those
were all close games. Delaware State got the doors blown
off them. I don't know what it is, Jason. Can
you watch Hawaii games? It seems like every year I'm like,
do I get that channel?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Can I see Hawaii?
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Game? Went on TV?
Speaker 6 (04:08):
At all?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
So crazy? Many we got everything on TV. How do
we not have Hawaii on TV? What's going on with that?
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Like we were doing the show tours and I were
doing a regular Saturday slot and Steve Seger was giving
us the updates because no one could see the game,
and She's like, well, this seems unnecessary in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Very strange. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
And but the biggest storyline was Georgia Tech with the
outright win. It was number ten Florida State. They went down.
I thought it was an epic call on ESPN by
Joe tessititur as the final field goal went through the
uprights for Georgia Tech. I thought this was beautiful. Flora
(05:12):
s Yeah, Testa's fired up, right, you know why I'm
gonna mention something you might not know.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
He was fired up, not just at the end.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
He was fired up throughout the game, like even more
so than he usually is, and he was like Jesse
Palmer's pretty good, but like Jesse Palmer's kind of more
subdued in the way that he does his color. So
for Testa Tour to be that way, I was trying
to trying to think about it, because it hit me
almost immediately, Oh yeah, he signed with WWE. Testa Tour
(05:44):
is gonna be you know, voice on Mondays and Fridays
or one of those two shows, and then in January.
I think he's gonna flip over and do the other one. Well,
that's that's the kind of over the topness that WWE
fans are gonna want and are gonna expect, and are
quite frankly a little skeptical he's going to be able
to provide. Not that he's not capable of that, but like,
(06:05):
can you make that sound genuine? Can you make that
sound natural? I was listening to him with dual Ears
on Saturday for that very reason, and the way he
was kind of going even more testaitur than usual, Like
this wasn't even maction stuff like back when he used
to do the Friday night games. It would go seemingly
into seven overtimes every week and things like that. But
(06:27):
he he sounded like a pro wrestling announcer, like, yeah,
I feel like his voice. He's doing something. And I
don't know if he was speaking to the wrestling fans
that are a little skeptical because this hasn't worked out
bringing people in from sports in the past. But that's
what it felt like to me, is that that's that's
the testa tour that is kind of being developed to
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also be serving.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
The role in pro wrestling.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
No, I hear you on that and listen. I think
he'll do a great job with the pro wrestling stuff.
I know you're huge into pro wrestling, and I think
test I don't think he's gonna be you know, not
excited enough or not amped up enough for that. He
seems like he's been drinking you know, espresso. He taken
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expresso shots with his coffee for a while. And you're right,
he was totally fired up in that game. And that's
the thing. Man with Florida State. Think about these last
couple of games for Florida State, Jay mart where you know,
going back to last season, they didn't have Jordan Travis,
they didn't make it to the playoff. They didn't have
most of their guys, and they got absolutely waxed in
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the bowl game by Georgia. And then the next time
we see them play, they're a number ten team and
they get worked by Georgia Tech. It's a completely different
team than last year. They lost ten players to the
draft in the offseason. There were thirty three players that
entered the portal, So this is a completely different team.
But I think it's the same old story with dj U.
(07:54):
I'm really surprised where man I go back. I know
you do too, Jason. Where remember when you had dj
uy unga la lay he filled in for Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I think Trevor Lawrence had COVID at.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
The time, and they were on the road and they
were going to play Notre Dame, and so you're like, Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Who's this guy Dju?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Oh, he's the guy throwing for four hundred and thirty
nine yards and two touchdowns against Notre Dame and oh,
by the way, he ran for another touchdown. Clemson lost.
It was a double overtime thriller, but Dju was unbelievable
that last that night, he looked like he was going
to be a star, and it just hasn't happened. He
transferred from Clemson to Oregon State. Now he's at Florida
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State and he can make some plays at times, but
at missing open receivers, bad reads, and it's just like
he never developed even close to the star that he
looked like he was destined to be.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
It just never happened for him.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Yeah, it really was.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
That performance you just mentioned was the best of his
career and he has never been able to kind of
get back to that spot. And because of where he
was and the kind of quarterbacks that were seemingly coming
out a year after year at Clemson, you just thought, oh, well,
he's the next one in line, and it just didn't
work out that way and he ended up losing the job.
(09:13):
And you mentioned going to Oregon State, which he did fine,
and now he's at FSU and it's a big step
down for Florida State considering what they had last year.
The thing about Dju is he's perfectly serviceable, which sounds
like a horrible thing to say about a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
She's got a great personality, Yeah, exactly, exactly, but he's
not dynamic.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
He's not a guy that's a game changing quarterback. He
can make a couple of plays, like you said, but
I saw two or three different times where he threw
way too far in front of his receiver who actually had,
you know, some kind of momentum forward that could have
led to a big gain. His stats looked good except
for the fact that he couldn't get it. He didn't
seemingly attempt anything past five yards much at all all
(10:01):
through the game. And credit to Georgia Tech. I understand.
But you know, a lot of this story comes down
to Florida State, and there's there's really I think two
takeaways here. One is, if you're a team that has
some question marks, you're kind of ranked a lot of
people have you picked in the college football playoff. I
don't want to play in Dublin. I don't want to
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play in Week zero and go across, you know, across
the sea, still trying to figure a couple of things out.
I'm playing earlier in everybody else. It's the only game
on to watch at that point in time. It's weird.
Who knows what's going on on the plane. There's distractions.
That's just not how I want my season to start.
But the second takeaway is the painful thing about last year.
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The thing that was just devastating to Florida State fans,
whether they knew it in the moment or not, was
everything had aligned for them last year because they had
really worked the portal well. They had a ton of time,
They had a game changer, one of those guys at quarterback,
they had Keon Coleman, they had all these guys you
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mentioned ten into the draft. That was the shot, like
it wasn't something that necessarily was going to be there
for them going forward. Everything was there and then they
lost Travis and then there was just nothing there. There
was nothing left for them. But unlike an NFL team
that comes back with everybody the next year outside of
free agency or whatever, they lost everybody and that team
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on Saturday. I don't think that was just getting caught
off guard. I just don't think they're anywhere near the
team that they were last year. And it might be
a rough go for them.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And it's an interesting thought about not playing in Week
zero again.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Weak week zero.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Now you can play in Week zero. I just don't
want to go way.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Overseas to start my season. There's something about that that
just seems like you're asking for trouble. There's no benefit.
If they win the game, who cares you beat Georgia Tech.
But if you lose the game, I know, man, you
lost to Georgia Tech.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, that's a rough way to start the season, right.
You don't have many more mulligans. Maybe you have one
other mulligan to still have a real shot to make
the playoff, and that's it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
You got to be nearly perfect from here on out.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
But I'm just surprised college football, man, I don't know
why they haven't taken a lesson from the NFL. The
NFL starts their season in style. Man. Think about the
games that you have, the marquee games, the primetime games.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You've got you've got the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
The defending the back to back defending champs taking.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
On the Ravens.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
The next night it's they're over in Brazil with the
Eagles and the Packers. Then the primetime Sunday game, you've
got the Rams and the Lions. Stafford goes back to Detroit.
Then oh, we're just gonna close it with Aaron Rodgers
and the Jets taking on the forty nine ers. Those
are huge matchups. The NFL isn't like football is back.
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Let's highlight the Patriots and the Panthers, and it's like, dude,
they're getting out the big boys, you know. I don't
know why college football hasn't figured that out. You can't
have someone start in week zero. But whatever the games were,
fun ball is back. We're all excited and they more
than make up for it. I think in week one
there are some great matchups in week one. If you
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give us Clemson and Georgia, we're talking number fourteen against
number one Notre Dame in Texas, A and M. There
are some great matchups. I just don't know why. You know,
this is supposed to be the headlining act in week zero.
This could be months of anticipation. It's gonna be Clemson
and Georgia circle it, you know, the date, the whole thing,
And instead it's, oh, by the way, we're gonna start
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off with a Georgia Tech, a middling ACC team against
Florida State. I just don't know why college football does
that every single year.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Yeah, I guess it's yeah, it is weird. It's like
a soft launch for a restaurant or something like that. Yeah,
it just feels like it should be bigger. It feels
like it should be a giant party, a giant celebration,
and it still kind of is just because it is football.
But to your point, usually sports come out, you know,
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on day one, doing something big, and college football kind
of goes the opposite way.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And of course, yes, you're right.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
We're gonna make up for it this coming weekend where
we're just gonna be wall to wall ball and then
we're gonna be off and running and there's gonna be
a myriad of storylines. But you know, there's a reason
why you know, NASCAR would start their season with Daytona
or the Masters was the first golf major of the
year for a long time.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
And things like that.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
It's just that first time where you have the audience
that's really paying attention. You need just something on the marquee,
even if it's you have some things that are still
pretty small, but you do have one gigantic game. I
also just think you remember when it felt like college
football season would start the Thursday before, which it will
this week, but there's not another there's still not a
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great game like that. Thursday should just be a big
time matchup, the same way that the NFL is gonna
do it the week after. You have the audience, and
you don't really have any competition that night, so you
should just go, you know, all the way to the
wall with that and put two big time programs out
there so that everybody knows get home from work because
Thursday night is ball night.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, you can own that.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Real estate and college football is like, eh, no, maybe not.
Let's just let's throw uh, let's throw the hornets of
Delaware State out there and not televise it.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It's like, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Man?
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Are they the Hornets?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
They are?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I looked it up. I said, you know that? Or
you're checking the score?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
No, I didn't know. I'm like, man, I don't even
know their nickname. That's a bad sign.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
When you don't know the nickname of a team, you know,
it's it's never a good sign. All right, we got
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Speaker 3 (17:13):
Okay, chasing.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
So a couple of teams have yet to name starting quarterbacks.
The Patriots are one of them. Drake May was in
action last night. You saw Jacoby Brissett for a series
against the Washington Commanders, and.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Drake May looked good. He played pretty well.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Now, it was mostly against backups, But the question is
who would you start.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I would go with Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Myself and Chris Collinsworth talked about this a little bit
last night. If you start Drake May and you start
the season like one in five or something like that,
it's like where do you go from there?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You just have to ride it out.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I think it would be better if you look at
these first six games for the Patriots. They are tough
games Like the six are at the Bengals, Seahawks, at
the Jets on Thursday night, at the forty nine Ers,
you host the Dolphins and host the Texans. Where are
the wins right there? And then it gets more manageable
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where they played Jacksonville in London, they play the Jets
at home, and then they're at the Titans.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
At the Bears.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I think that window makes a lot more sense for
Drake May. I was higher than most on Drake May
coming out of North Carolina. He seemed to be like
the Will Levis of this year's draft, where people are
just like, hey, he's an accurate a he's not a
finished product today, and it was just followed the leader.
He was a really good quarterback in college. We'll see
about the NFL, but I'm optimistic. I just think there's
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such a lack of talent around the guy, and there's
such a hard launch to the season. I would just
wait until after those first six games because they're gonna suck,
They're not gonna have a good record. That's when I
would look to start Drake May. What do you think
who would be your QB.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
One in Fivet's pretty much over there.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Sorry, I pretty much agree with you. I think that
there's no reason to throw him to the Lions because
your team's going to be one of the worst in
the league. So there's no reason to put him out
there against teams they're going to dominate them, destroy his
confidence and also get the fans on the wrong side
of things. I look at that game in London and say,
not before then, and or not until you get back
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from that trip. Give him some time. Either put him
out there against the Jets in that division game at home,
where you're gonna have your crowd there, and maybe you
watch the Jets a little bit, but you will have
already seen them once also, or you play him in
Nashville the next week on November. There's no rush here.
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He's just gonna get a little bit better during the
practice weeks, learning from Jacoby Brissett, who's a flat out
pro and a really good guy, somebody that everybody in
the league likes. He's kind of got that like he's
the Tyrod Taylor, the Alex Smith, that kind of guy
that you can learn from.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
And Drake May has plenty of time.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
The one thing you don't want people thinking is that
Drake May is another Sam Howell coming out of North Carolina.
And I still think you have that risk. I think
your comparison is really good. And by the way, if
you're the Patriots might want to be, you would be
pretty happy if that turned out to be true, because
I think Levis has silenced a lot of people. I'm
not suggesting he's the greatest quarterback in the world, but
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he is way better, way faster than I expected based
on his final season at Kentucky. And similarly, Drake May
was not very good in his last year. Now, he
didn't have a ton around him, but he wasn't making
a whole lot of people that much better from my
vantage point, But yeah, put the veteran out there, get
the season off to more of just sort of a Yeah,
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the record's not going to be good, but you have
something stable there and you're not forcing Drake May. If
you were a contender and you felt like you had
to play him in order to make the playoffs or something,
then maybe you have a different story there.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
But you don't.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
You don't have a roster that's going to be competitive,
especially on the offensive side of the football, so there
is really no reason to put him out there to
get destroyed.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah, now I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
How about the other team that hasn't made a decision
yet at QB it would be the Steelers. It's between
Russell Wilson and Justin Fields. I don't think this is difficult.
I know that Russell Wilson doesn't walk on quarterback water anymore.
I think he used to. That was a time where
he was absolutely dynamic. He's not as good anymore, but
he's better than Justin Fields. Jason, come on, like, what
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are we doing here? I would start Russell Wilson. I
would use Justin Fields as a here and there type guy,
because that's what he is. He's a here and there
type player. He's got a passer rating of eighty two
point three in his three year career, just to give
you an idea of how bad that is. A passer
rating of eighty two point three last season. Would slot
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between Desmond Ritter and Kenny Pickett, like, that's what Justin
Fields has done as a passer in three years.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
We know how dynamic he is running the ball.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
He's exciting, he's he's the sexier player, but he's totally inconsistent.
He's an accurate way too often, he doesn't read defenses.
He holds onto the ball way too long. His passing
numbers have sucked for three straight years. I'm not starting
Justin Fields. I would look to work him into the offense.
Maybe if you get within the ten yard line or something.
You bring in Justin Fields, you do some creative things.
(22:21):
You get him on the field here and there to
give the defense a different look. I'm not saying give
him a whole series, but just give him a few
plays here and there. I think that makes way more
sense to start the season with Russ instead of Fields.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
I hear what you're saying. All your critiques about justin
Fields to this point are accurate. I completely disagree with you. Okay,
I think Russ is done. I don't think that you
get anything out of him. I mean, you didn't pay
much for him. But and I do think I don't
know if it were me, I would start Fields, but
you could be right that they are going to start Russ.
(22:56):
Fields is the guy that you need to figure out
what you got in this year. Now it seems like
you already know in your opinion, But I look at
the situation he came from.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
With the Bears.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Okay, he came from a bad spot where they didn't
have a ton they were building in that last year.
But they also had a head coach that you weren't
sure needed to be, a head coach who wasn't an
offensive mastermind, that was a very incomplete unit. Now you
bring him to one of the real iconic franchises and
iconic culture spots in the NFL, in Pittsburgh, where he
(23:28):
is going to have a lot more around him. He
has a ton more weapons already, and he has an
offensive coordinator in Arthur Smith, who is used to rehabilitation projects.
Let's not forget that he inherited Ryan Tannehill as offensive
coordinator in Nashville after Ryan Tannehill didn't go that great
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for him in his first spot and he was an
early pick as well. And Ryan Tannehill, if you end
up getting that out of Pittsburgh, you're gonna be pretty
good because Ryan Tannehill ended up flourishing big time because
Arthur Smith knew how to play his strengths. So if
it's me, I'm giving Justin Fields the keys because the
Russell Wilson experience appears to be over. I know what
Mike Tomlin said. Yes, he let a touchdown drive. He
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was also two of two passing. I don't know what
you learn from that. I have no idea other than
just being kind and nice. And maybe it's an ego
thing where you have to play Russ to try and
help him maintain his dignity. But to me, you go
with Justin Fields because he has the much bigger upside
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at this stage in his career, and at the very
least you need to make sure he's not your guy,
because there was a team that thought he was just
a few years ago. And I'm not completely cutting bait
on that guy.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Yet you go from let Russ cook to Russ is cooked?
Is what you gave him?
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Maybe I'm biased in the wrong direction because of what
I saw for my franchise for the last two years
when he was our quarterback, which, by the way, I'm
pretty excited about who our quarterback is now.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah to that little bo Nicks you're bo lever already.
But uh yeah, I get that. Hey, if you're a
Broncos guy and you had such high hopes for Russell Wilson,
and why wouldn't you right and then it turned out
to be what it was. Yeah, I could see how
that would impact the way you look at the whole situation.
I look at justin Fields like that's a great comparison
(25:20):
right there. He's the black Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
That's what he is.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
He's a guy who can move around. Ryan Tannehill had
some mobility. He stunk for my Dolphins for the better
part of the time he was there, and then he
went to the Titans and he was surrounded by a
little bit more, little better philosophy and you saw glimpses,
glimpses of like, Wow, this guy is playing better right now.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I think you would see glimpses.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Of that with Justin Fields, but there's no way it
would go from where it's been to he has realized
his potential. I just don't understand the utter fascination with
the ceiling for Justin Fields and some players like that
that flashed their ability at times, and there's just this
laser focus of if he realizes his full potential spoiler alert,
(26:07):
that's never going to happen. He's not nearly consistent enough
for that to ever be the case. It's a little
bit like Sam Darnald with the Jets where the cupboard
was bear and you're like, man, he doesn't have a
whole lot to work with. If you get him to
a much better environment and much better situation, he's gonna
look moderately better. But he's not gonna be just ripping
(26:28):
up the NFL with Justin Jefferson as a teammate in
a much better supporting cast, because he's, at the end
of the day, he's still Sam Darnald, you know what
I mean. That's how I feel about Justin Fields. So
this isn't like. Oh, I still think Russ is dynamic.
He's just better than Justin Fields. Like, the bar isn't
that high If this is pole vaulting, the Justin Fields
bar is not that high for Russ to have to
(26:51):
pull vault over. That's why I would go with him.
But I think at the end of the day, we
can argue until we're blue in the face. I just
don't think the quarterback with either guy, it's gonna be
good enough for them to get anywhere of great note.
It's just it's not gonna be stellar with either guy.
I don't think.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
I mean, I don't disagree with that. I mean, I
don't think this is a championship. You hear anything for
the Steelers, but Tomlin just he finds a way to
win games every year.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Man, I disagree at this point, I.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
Think Fields is better than Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
But really, yeah, I do right right here, dude.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
You I just I think he can do more for you.
I think that he's.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Much more dynamic player for sure, and he creates a
problem for defenses that Russell Wilson at this stage in
his career flat.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Out does not.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
I just I'm not gonna say you're gonna eat your
words on Justin Fields, because that would be me saying
that he's gonna send to these magic heights. But I
don't think that we are out of the woods of
him becoming a pretty special player if he's in the
right circumstances. And he went from one of the worst
It was just the morale was bad. Everything was bad.
Last year they started to turn it around. They brought
in DJ Moore, and then at the trade deadline they
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were able to bring in some pieces because they did
have to tank in order to get the first pick,
because they already possessed the pick of the worst team
in the league last year with the Carolina Panthers, so
they were able to actually play some football. But this
is a completely different Sometimes a change of scenery is
all you need. And I actually am betting on Justin
Field's surprising you and other detractors this season more than
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the opposite.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
I'll believe it if I ever see it, and I
don't think I will. This guy, he's granted, he's had
many wow plays. He's delivered a lot of wow plays
when he was with the Bears, But I don't know
if what that is I think Wow is overvalued where yeah,
(28:44):
he might do some jaw dropping things, but the consistency
is just not there and there are drawbacks with I mean,
I love that he's a dynamic runner of the football,
but that's led to a lot of injuries. He's missed
a lot of time. I just don't know why that.
You get information year in and year out, and there's
(29:04):
still this thing with a lot of people that are
like I still think he's an ascending player.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
It's like, oh my gosh, just watch the guy.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
But we'll we'll see change of environment, We'll see how
it works out.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
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Speaker 3 (29:26):
Wow, how about the White Sox, j Mart. You look
for the record right there, one hundred. That's amazing.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Speaking of terrible Anthony Edwards from the Minnesota Timberwolves. He
had a horrible statement a week or two ago. He
said that he told the Wall Street Journal, I don't
think anybody had skill back then. He's talking about basketball
players from a previous era. We're talking like nineties basketball said,
I don't think anybody had skill back then. Michael Jordan
(29:54):
was the only one that really had skill. So that's
why when they saw Kobe, they were like, oh my god.
But now everybody has skill. So he had that horrible
statement and Magic. Johnson was asked to chime in what
he thought. He did a sit down interview with Stephen A.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Smith. Here's how some of it sounded.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
And was just saying the other day.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
That there really wasn't any skilled players.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
In the NBA back in the day outside of Michael Jordan.
Your response to that, Irvin and magis, you know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Never respond to a guy that's never won a championship.
There's not nothing to really say.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
He didn't win a college championship. I don't know if
you even want.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
A high school.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
That's that's a magic double negatives in consecutive sentences. Yeah
he did, but whatever he is like that, No, that's
that's magic being off the cuff, Like, that's not the
Twitter account, that's right, yeah, Jick Johnson, that's him, like
all right, this this child needs to be put in
his place.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
That was real, Yes, no doubt, man, It's just what
Anthony Edwards said, makes absolutely zero sense.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Man.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I know you go back in the day with the NBA,
your big hoops head as am I, but to say
only Michael Jordan had skill back that really, come on, man,
like magic it Think about a chem Elijah One, how
much skill that guy had with the dream shake moves
upon moves. It makes no sense. Anthony should have said,
(31:35):
I didn't watch. I don't know what I'm.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Talking about that, right, I mean really that's I mean,
tell us that you're young without telling us you're young.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Yeah, I mean, I mean to say that.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
The guys in the nineties didn't have skill is absolute
insanity on every level, especially down in the post. As
you just mentioned, all those guys have moves. All of
a sudden, there weren't any moves around the time Dwight
Howard started playing basketball.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
I remember every year he would recruit one of the guys.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
From the nineties who had skill underneath to try and
teach him that part of the game to go with
his out of the world athleticism. Yeah, that's just I
like Anthony Edwards. I think he's a good guy. He
sometimes his mouth gets him in trouble a little bit
because he's young and impulsive, and he just says some
things sometimes that one was just not well thought out
(32:22):
and it just kind of belied in a lack of experience.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
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So Colorado, Oh, they're gonna be taking on the Bison.
Don't say bison, Chason Bison over there North Dakota State.
Don't know why that's the thing, but whatever, we move on.
(34:09):
That'll be on Thursday night the big news with.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Colorado, Is that right?
Speaker 6 (34:13):
Because yeah, look Torres said that Saturday night on our program.
He said bison, and I was going to correct him
and be like, wait a second, yeah, bison.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Nope, bison with a Z. I don't know why that's
their thing.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
They actually use a Z.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
That's how they say, and that you were supposed to
pronounce bison as bison.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
That's all my whole life. No, that's exactly what you're
supposed to do. With North Dakota State. I'm pretty sure
they've got a bunch of T shirts and gear with
you know, like a literal Z because that's how they
pronounce it.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Okay, Yeah, whatever, that's.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Just I had to cut you off because I needed clarification.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Our guy, uh Trey Lance from the Cowboys right throwing
five picks. He's an alum. He's a bison over there, right,
like Carson Wentz Bison. Weird but whatever. But the story
with Colorado, Jason is that Dion Sanders aka Coach Prime,
is not taking any questions.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
You don't say right.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
From a specific columnist, Sean Keeler from the Denver Post,
He's had some critical things to write. He's had certain
phrases like Bruce Lee of BS how he's referred to
Dion Sanders, he said something else. He has written this before, Jason,
(35:30):
this cuts deep, you know, I can see how Dion
would say no questions. Sean Keeller referred to the Colorado
program as a circus, which I mean, man, that really
just kind of harms your soul when you read something
as cold as that, Like.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
How weak is this?
Speaker 4 (35:50):
You're gonna freeze a guy out because you dislike some
of the things that he's written.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
This is so thin skinned.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
It's just so, that's the thing, Jay, mart I try
to consider the other side, and there's another side to
every argument, every point of view, and I try to
consider the other side, and I'm.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Still like, now, this is just weak and lame in
thin skinned.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
This is not Deon Sanders gaining attention if he can't attention.
I don't want to be known as the thin skinned
Week coach that can't take some criticism. That's not how
I want to make a name for myself. But here
we are with Colorado and Dion Sanders.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Yeah, the optics are terrible here, Like, you can't do
this if you're Deon Sanders, you don't want to give
him a one on one sit down. I get it right,
Like he doesn't necessarily he's not necessarily.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Entitled to that.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
And I know some people try to defend Dion and say, well, no,
none of these media people are entitled to anything. Well,
I mean, they're covering your team. That is their job.
But their job is to just describe what they see.
And there are some merchants that are bad actors when
it comes to you know, what they pedal and what
they actually believe.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
I understand that.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
But if you're Deon Sanders, the way to get people
to quiet down is just treat him with dignity, Like
this dude, he might have been beneath you and he
might have really ruffled your feathers, but you can't let
him know that, And you definitely can't let anybody else
know that you're Dion Sanders, the guy's name that you mentioned.
I just knew he was with the Denver Post until
you said that. Right, It's not like he's a household guy.
(37:23):
You're not going after somebody that's you are punching down
in the worst way imaginable, and you're a head football
coach and a Hall of Fame level NFL player, and
you've had this wild career and you're this giant celebrity, Like,
how could.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
He get under your skin?
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Like you can't let the world know that that bothered
you so much. You want to privately have your guy say, hey,
We're not gonna do a sit down with you right now,
maybe later in the season, but just call on him,
let him ask his question and answer it. Yeah, and
it's not a story no one even has to know.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
I know it, man.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
That's the perfect phrase, is punching down. This is the
ultimate story of punching down from a coach toward a columnist.
Is most people didn't know Sean Keeler before this whole thing, right,
Dion just made him famous. Uh So, I just don't
get that, man, I don't see the value in that.
And this happened at Jackson State also he punched down.
(38:19):
There was a reporter that Writt wrote something that writted something.
He wrote something that Dion didn't like, and that guy
got frozen out as well. So this is not his
first rodeo. It's just come on, man, I think you
gotta be bigger than that. And that comes with the territory.
Like you could go back in time. Think about Chris
Weber after calling time out and losing a championship and
(38:40):
he was sat there and faced the music and Deon
Sanders can't. I think that's weak, all right, j mart
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Jason Martin, not just to do a show with you,
but to talk ball. Ball is finally back. We had
(01:08):
some actual, real counting games. Not that I'm against the
NFL preseason because I've been profiting on the NFL preseason, Jason,
I kind of hate saying it go, but there were real,
regular season games that counted in college football, and man,
the underdogs they came to play Georgia Tech with the
outright win as a ten and a half point underdog
(01:31):
against Florida State, and there were some other underdogs. They
all covered in these four main games on Saturday, and
it's just great to have ball back.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I know you're bouncing off the walls with football officially
being back here.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
No doubt. You know.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
I know how you feel about the two words game seven.
We've had this discussion before.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
But I feel it's an overrated two words compared to others.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Like I love Game set.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I just think super Bowl, Well, those are the two
biggest words in sports, biggest thing west, but not best.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
But I don't want to bring I don't want Eddie
Garcia to rip your head off again last time. But
I think there are four words that we can agree on,
and those would be football games that count. Saturday was
just glorious, Like even though you know it's not like
you had a bunch of marquee matchups, but you did
(02:25):
get one very compelling game that already provided a storyline.
Then you see the end of the preseason. Sorry for
your bank account. As we move into the regular season.
But we're so close to all of football being one back,
and it just this is the best time of year.
It's the best time of year for what we do,
but because of what football means in the United States,
(02:50):
it's the best time of year pretty much for all
of us. Yes, you may have to come back and
go to work because the vacation season may be coming
to a rest, But man, the weekends get a lot
for the right kind of reasons, don't they.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, no doubt about that.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
And you hit on this where Look, man, the week
zero slate not the most desirable, you know, I I
changed it from week zero like w.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Eek, Week two, w eak.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
The week zero is like, what are we doing over here?
We got Montana State, we got FCS and Delaware State,
these are major windows.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
But these games turned out to be really good. Like
that SMU Nevada game that's nearly a four touchdown spread
and all of a sudden, SMU was in a dogfight.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
They barely won that game.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Last year.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Brian Nevada had two games last year and there they
were with the ball at the end of the games.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
SMU escaped that one.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
They did absolutely they did so, even though those weren't
marquee matchups at all, the games were all good. Those
were all close games. Delaware State got the doors blown
off them. I don't know what it is, Jason. Can
you watch Hawaii games? It seems like every year I'm like,
do I get that channel?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Can I see Hawaii?
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Game? Went on TV?
Speaker 6 (04:08):
At all?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
So crazy? Many we got everything on TV. How do
we not have Hawaii on TV? What's going on with that?
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Like we were doing the show tours and I were
doing a regular Saturday slot and Steve Seger was giving
us the updates because no one could see the game,
and She's like, well, this seems unnecessary in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Very strange. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
And but the biggest storyline was Georgia Tech with the
outright win. It was number ten Florida State. They went down.
I thought it was an epic call on ESPN by
Joe tessititur as the final field goal went through the
uprights for Georgia Tech. I thought this was beautiful. Flora
(05:12):
s Yeah, Testa's fired up, right, you know why I'm
gonna mention something you might not know.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
He was fired up, not just at the end.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
He was fired up throughout the game, like even more
so than he usually is, and he was like Jesse
Palmer's pretty good, but like Jesse Palmer's kind of more
subdued in the way that he does his color. So
for Testa Tour to be that way, I was trying
to trying to think about it, because it hit me
almost immediately, Oh yeah, he signed with WWE. Testa Tour
(05:44):
is gonna be you know, voice on Mondays and Fridays
or one of those two shows, and then in January.
I think he's gonna flip over and do the other one. Well,
that's that's the kind of over the topness that WWE
fans are gonna want and are gonna expect, and are
quite frankly a little skeptical he's going to be able
to provide. Not that he's not capable of that, but like,
(06:05):
can you make that sound genuine? Can you make that
sound natural? I was listening to him with dual Ears
on Saturday for that very reason, and the way he
was kind of going even more testaitur than usual, Like
this wasn't even maction stuff like back when he used
to do the Friday night games. It would go seemingly
into seven overtimes every week and things like that. But
(06:27):
he he sounded like a pro wrestling announcer, like, yeah,
I feel like his voice. He's doing something. And I
don't know if he was speaking to the wrestling fans
that are a little skeptical because this hasn't worked out
bringing people in from sports in the past. But that's
what it felt like to me, is that that's that's
the testa tour that is kind of being developed to
(06:49):
also be serving.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
The role in pro wrestling.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
No, I hear you on that and listen. I think
he'll do a great job with the pro wrestling stuff.
I know you're huge into pro wrestling, and I think
test I don't think he's gonna be you know, not
excited enough or not amped up enough for that. He
seems like he's been drinking you know, espresso. He taken
(07:12):
expresso shots with his coffee for a while. And you're right,
he was totally fired up in that game. And that's
the thing. Man with Florida State. Think about these last
couple of games for Florida State, Jay mart where you know,
going back to last season, they didn't have Jordan Travis,
they didn't make it to the playoff. They didn't have
most of their guys, and they got absolutely waxed in
(07:34):
the bowl game by Georgia. And then the next time
we see them play, they're a number ten team and
they get worked by Georgia Tech. It's a completely different
team than last year. They lost ten players to the
draft in the offseason. There were thirty three players that
entered the portal, So this is a completely different team.
But I think it's the same old story with dj U.
(07:54):
I'm really surprised where man I go back. I know
you do too, Jason. Where remember when you had dj
uy unga la lay he filled in for Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I think Trevor Lawrence had COVID at.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
The time, and they were on the road and they
were going to play Notre Dame, and so you're like, Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Who's this guy Dju?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Oh, he's the guy throwing for four hundred and thirty
nine yards and two touchdowns against Notre Dame and oh,
by the way, he ran for another touchdown. Clemson lost.
It was a double overtime thriller, but Dju was unbelievable
that last that night, he looked like he was going
to be a star, and it just hasn't happened. He
transferred from Clemson to Oregon State. Now he's at Florida
(08:36):
State and he can make some plays at times, but
at missing open receivers, bad reads, and it's just like
he never developed even close to the star that he
looked like he was destined to be.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
It just never happened for him.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Yeah, it really was.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
That performance you just mentioned was the best of his
career and he has never been able to kind of
get back to that spot. And because of where he
was and the kind of quarterbacks that were seemingly coming
out a year after year at Clemson, you just thought, oh, well,
he's the next one in line, and it just didn't
work out that way and he ended up losing the job.
(09:13):
And you mentioned going to Oregon State, which he did fine,
and now he's at FSU and it's a big step
down for Florida State considering what they had last year.
The thing about Dju is he's perfectly serviceable, which sounds
like a horrible thing to say about a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
She's got a great personality, Yeah, exactly, exactly, but he's
not dynamic.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
He's not a guy that's a game changing quarterback. He
can make a couple of plays, like you said, but
I saw two or three different times where he threw
way too far in front of his receiver who actually had,
you know, some kind of momentum forward that could have
led to a big gain. His stats looked good except
for the fact that he couldn't get it. He didn't
seemingly attempt anything past five yards much at all all
(10:01):
through the game. And credit to Georgia Tech. I understand.
But you know, a lot of this story comes down
to Florida State, and there's there's really I think two
takeaways here. One is, if you're a team that has
some question marks, you're kind of ranked a lot of
people have you picked in the college football playoff. I
don't want to play in Dublin. I don't want to
(10:23):
play in Week zero and go across, you know, across
the sea, still trying to figure a couple of things out.
I'm playing earlier in everybody else. It's the only game
on to watch at that point in time. It's weird.
Who knows what's going on on the plane. There's distractions.
That's just not how I want my season to start.
But the second takeaway is the painful thing about last year.
(10:47):
The thing that was just devastating to Florida State fans,
whether they knew it in the moment or not, was
everything had aligned for them last year because they had
really worked the portal well. They had a ton of time,
They had a game changer, one of those guys at quarterback,
they had Keon Coleman, they had all these guys you
(11:07):
mentioned ten into the draft. That was the shot, like
it wasn't something that necessarily was going to be there
for them going forward. Everything was there and then they
lost Travis and then there was just nothing there. There
was nothing left for them. But unlike an NFL team
that comes back with everybody the next year outside of
free agency or whatever, they lost everybody and that team
(11:30):
on Saturday. I don't think that was just getting caught
off guard. I just don't think they're anywhere near the
team that they were last year. And it might be
a rough go for them.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And it's an interesting thought about not playing in Week
zero again.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Weak week zero.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Now you can play in Week zero. I just don't
want to go way.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Overseas to start my season. There's something about that that
just seems like you're asking for trouble. There's no benefit.
If they win the game, who cares you beat Georgia Tech.
But if you lose the game, I know, man, you
lost to Georgia Tech.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, that's a rough way to start the season, right.
You don't have many more mulligans. Maybe you have one
other mulligan to still have a real shot to make
the playoff, and that's it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
You got to be nearly perfect from here on out.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
But I'm just surprised college football, man, I don't know
why they haven't taken a lesson from the NFL. The
NFL starts their season in style. Man. Think about the
games that you have, the marquee games, the primetime games.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You've got you've got the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
The defending the back to back defending champs taking.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
On the Ravens.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
The next night it's they're over in Brazil with the
Eagles and the Packers. Then the primetime Sunday game, you've
got the Rams and the Lions. Stafford goes back to Detroit.
Then oh, we're just gonna close it with Aaron Rodgers
and the Jets taking on the forty nine ers. Those
are huge matchups. The NFL isn't like football is back.
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Let's highlight the Patriots and the Panthers, and it's like, dude,
they're getting out the big boys, you know. I don't
know why college football hasn't figured that out. You can't
have someone start in week zero. But whatever the games were,
fun ball is back. We're all excited and they more
than make up for it. I think in week one
there are some great matchups in week one. If you
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give us Clemson and Georgia, we're talking number fourteen against
number one Notre Dame in Texas, A and M. There
are some great matchups. I just don't know why. You know,
this is supposed to be the headlining act in week zero.
This could be months of anticipation. It's gonna be Clemson
and Georgia circle it, you know, the date, the whole thing,
And instead it's, oh, by the way, we're gonna start
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off with a Georgia Tech, a middling ACC team against
Florida State. I just don't know why college football does
that every single year.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Yeah, I guess it's yeah, it is weird. It's like
a soft launch for a restaurant or something like that. Yeah,
it just feels like it should be bigger. It feels
like it should be a giant party, a giant celebration,
and it still kind of is just because it is football.
But to your point, usually sports come out, you know,
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on day one, doing something big, and college football kind
of goes the opposite way.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And of course, yes, you're right.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
We're gonna make up for it this coming weekend where
we're just gonna be wall to wall ball and then
we're gonna be off and running and there's gonna be
a myriad of storylines. But you know, there's a reason
why you know, NASCAR would start their season with Daytona
or the Masters was the first golf major of the
year for a long time.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
And things like that.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
It's just that first time where you have the audience
that's really paying attention. You need just something on the marquee,
even if it's you have some things that are still
pretty small, but you do have one gigantic game. I
also just think you remember when it felt like college
football season would start the Thursday before, which it will
this week, but there's not another there's still not a
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great game like that. Thursday should just be a big
time matchup, the same way that the NFL is gonna
do it the week after. You have the audience, and
you don't really have any competition that night, so you
should just go, you know, all the way to the
wall with that and put two big time programs out
there so that everybody knows get home from work because
Thursday night is ball night.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, you can own that.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Real estate and college football is like, eh, no, maybe not.
Let's just let's throw uh, let's throw the hornets of
Delaware State out there and not televise it.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It's like, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Man?
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Are they the Hornets?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
They are?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I looked it up. I said, you know that? Or
you're checking the score?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
No, I didn't know. I'm like, man, I don't even
know their nickname. That's a bad sign.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
When you don't know the nickname of a team, you know,
it's it's never a good sign. All right, we got
a lot to do. We are often running here. He's
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Speaker 3 (17:13):
Okay, chasing.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
So a couple of teams have yet to name starting quarterbacks.
The Patriots are one of them. Drake May was in
action last night. You saw Jacoby Brissett for a series
against the Washington Commanders, and.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Drake May looked good. He played pretty well.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Now, it was mostly against backups, But the question is
who would you start.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I would go with Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Myself and Chris Collinsworth talked about this a little bit
last night. If you start Drake May and you start
the season like one in five or something like that,
it's like where do you go from there?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You just have to ride it out.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I think it would be better if you look at
these first six games for the Patriots. They are tough
games Like the six are at the Bengals, Seahawks, at
the Jets on Thursday night, at the forty nine Ers,
you host the Dolphins and host the Texans. Where are
the wins right there? And then it gets more manageable
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where they played Jacksonville in London, they play the Jets
at home, and then they're at the Titans.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
At the Bears.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I think that window makes a lot more sense for
Drake May. I was higher than most on Drake May
coming out of North Carolina. He seemed to be like
the Will Levis of this year's draft, where people are
just like, hey, he's an accurate a he's not a
finished product today, and it was just followed the leader.
He was a really good quarterback in college. We'll see
about the NFL, but I'm optimistic. I just think there's
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such a lack of talent around the guy, and there's
such a hard launch to the season. I would just
wait until after those first six games because they're gonna suck,
They're not gonna have a good record. That's when I
would look to start Drake May. What do you think
who would be your QB.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
One in Fivet's pretty much over there.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Sorry, I pretty much agree with you. I think that
there's no reason to throw him to the Lions because
your team's going to be one of the worst in
the league. So there's no reason to put him out
there against teams they're going to dominate them, destroy his
confidence and also get the fans on the wrong side
of things. I look at that game in London and say,
not before then, and or not until you get back
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from that trip. Give him some time. Either put him
out there against the Jets in that division game at home,
where you're gonna have your crowd there, and maybe you
watch the Jets a little bit, but you will have
already seen them once also, or you play him in
Nashville the next week on November. There's no rush here.
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He's just gonna get a little bit better during the
practice weeks, learning from Jacoby Brissett, who's a flat out
pro and a really good guy, somebody that everybody in
the league likes. He's kind of got that like he's
the Tyrod Taylor, the Alex Smith, that kind of guy
that you can learn from.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
And Drake May has plenty of time.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
The one thing you don't want people thinking is that
Drake May is another Sam Howell coming out of North Carolina.
And I still think you have that risk. I think
your comparison is really good. And by the way, if
you're the Patriots might want to be, you would be
pretty happy if that turned out to be true, because
I think Levis has silenced a lot of people. I'm
not suggesting he's the greatest quarterback in the world, but
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he is way better, way faster than I expected based
on his final season at Kentucky. And similarly, Drake May
was not very good in his last year. Now, he
didn't have a ton around him, but he wasn't making
a whole lot of people that much better from my
vantage point, But yeah, put the veteran out there, get
the season off to more of just sort of a Yeah,
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the record's not going to be good, but you have
something stable there and you're not forcing Drake May. If
you were a contender and you felt like you had
to play him in order to make the playoffs or something,
then maybe you have a different story there.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
But you don't.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
You don't have a roster that's going to be competitive,
especially on the offensive side of the football, so there
is really no reason to put him out there to
get destroyed.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah, now I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
How about the other team that hasn't made a decision
yet at QB it would be the Steelers. It's between
Russell Wilson and Justin Fields. I don't think this is difficult.
I know that Russell Wilson doesn't walk on quarterback water anymore.
I think he used to. That was a time where
he was absolutely dynamic. He's not as good anymore, but
he's better than Justin Fields. Jason, come on, like, what
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are we doing here? I would start Russell Wilson. I
would use Justin Fields as a here and there type guy,
because that's what he is. He's a here and there
type player. He's got a passer rating of eighty two
point three in his three year career, just to give
you an idea of how bad that is. A passer
rating of eighty two point three last season. Would slot
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between Desmond Ritter and Kenny Pickett, like, that's what Justin
Fields has done as a passer in three years.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
We know how dynamic he is running the ball.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
He's exciting, he's he's the sexier player, but he's totally inconsistent.
He's an accurate way too often, he doesn't read defenses.
He holds onto the ball way too long. His passing
numbers have sucked for three straight years. I'm not starting
Justin Fields. I would look to work him into the offense.
Maybe if you get within the ten yard line or something.
You bring in Justin Fields, you do some creative things.
(22:21):
You get him on the field here and there to
give the defense a different look. I'm not saying give
him a whole series, but just give him a few
plays here and there. I think that makes way more
sense to start the season with Russ instead of Fields.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
I hear what you're saying. All your critiques about justin
Fields to this point are accurate. I completely disagree with you. Okay,
I think Russ is done. I don't think that you
get anything out of him. I mean, you didn't pay
much for him. But and I do think I don't
know if it were me, I would start Fields, but
you could be right that they are going to start Russ.
(22:56):
Fields is the guy that you need to figure out
what you got in this year. Now it seems like
you already know in your opinion, But I look at
the situation he came from.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
With the Bears.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Okay, he came from a bad spot where they didn't
have a ton they were building in that last year.
But they also had a head coach that you weren't
sure needed to be, a head coach who wasn't an
offensive mastermind, that was a very incomplete unit. Now you
bring him to one of the real iconic franchises and
iconic culture spots in the NFL, in Pittsburgh, where he
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is going to have a lot more around him. He
has a ton more weapons already, and he has an
offensive coordinator in Arthur Smith, who is used to rehabilitation projects.
Let's not forget that he inherited Ryan Tannehill as offensive
coordinator in Nashville after Ryan Tannehill didn't go that great
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for him in his first spot and he was an
early pick as well. And Ryan Tannehill, if you end
up getting that out of Pittsburgh, you're gonna be pretty
good because Ryan Tannehill ended up flourishing big time because
Arthur Smith knew how to play his strengths. So if
it's me, I'm giving Justin Fields the keys because the
Russell Wilson experience appears to be over. I know what
Mike Tomlin said. Yes, he let a touchdown drive. He
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was also two of two passing. I don't know what
you learn from that. I have no idea other than
just being kind and nice. And maybe it's an ego
thing where you have to play Russ to try and
help him maintain his dignity. But to me, you go
with Justin Fields because he has the much bigger upside
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at this stage in his career, and at the very
least you need to make sure he's not your guy,
because there was a team that thought he was just
a few years ago. And I'm not completely cutting bait
on that guy.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Yet you go from let Russ cook to Russ is cooked?
Is what you gave him?
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Maybe I'm biased in the wrong direction because of what
I saw for my franchise for the last two years
when he was our quarterback, which, by the way, I'm
pretty excited about who our quarterback is now.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah to that little bo Nicks you're bo lever already.
But uh yeah, I get that. Hey, if you're a
Broncos guy and you had such high hopes for Russell Wilson,
and why wouldn't you right and then it turned out
to be what it was. Yeah, I could see how
that would impact the way you look at the whole situation.
I look at justin Fields like that's a great comparison
(25:20):
right there. He's the black Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
That's what he is.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
He's a guy who can move around. Ryan Tannehill had
some mobility. He stunk for my Dolphins for the better
part of the time he was there, and then he
went to the Titans and he was surrounded by a
little bit more, little better philosophy and you saw glimpses,
glimpses of like, Wow, this guy is playing better right now.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I think you would see glimpses.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Of that with Justin Fields, but there's no way it
would go from where it's been to he has realized
his potential. I just don't understand the utter fascination with
the ceiling for Justin Fields and some players like that
that flashed their ability at times, and there's just this
laser focus of if he realizes his full potential spoiler alert,
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that's never going to happen. He's not nearly consistent enough
for that to ever be the case. It's a little
bit like Sam Darnald with the Jets where the cupboard
was bear and you're like, man, he doesn't have a
whole lot to work with. If you get him to
a much better environment and much better situation, he's gonna
look moderately better. But he's not gonna be just ripping
(26:28):
up the NFL with Justin Jefferson as a teammate in
a much better supporting cast, because he's, at the end
of the day, he's still Sam Darnald, you know what
I mean. That's how I feel about Justin Fields. So
this isn't like. Oh, I still think Russ is dynamic.
He's just better than Justin Fields. Like, the bar isn't
that high If this is pole vaulting, the Justin Fields
bar is not that high for Russ to have to
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pull vault over. That's why I would go with him.
But I think at the end of the day, we
can argue until we're blue in the face. I just
don't think the quarterback with either guy, it's gonna be
good enough for them to get anywhere of great note.
It's just it's not gonna be stellar with either guy.
I don't think.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
I mean, I don't disagree with that. I mean, I
don't think this is a championship. You hear anything for
the Steelers, but Tomlin just he finds a way to
win games every year.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Man, I disagree at this point, I.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
Think Fields is better than Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
But really, yeah, I do right right here, dude.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
You I just I think he can do more for you.
I think that he's.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Much more dynamic player for sure, and he creates a
problem for defenses that Russell Wilson at this stage in
his career flat.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Out does not.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
I just I'm not gonna say you're gonna eat your
words on Justin Fields, because that would be me saying
that he's gonna send to these magic heights. But I
don't think that we are out of the woods of
him becoming a pretty special player if he's in the
right circumstances. And he went from one of the worst
It was just the morale was bad. Everything was bad.
Last year they started to turn it around. They brought
in DJ Moore, and then at the trade deadline they
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were able to bring in some pieces because they did
have to tank in order to get the first pick,
because they already possessed the pick of the worst team
in the league last year with the Carolina Panthers, so
they were able to actually play some football. But this
is a completely different Sometimes a change of scenery is
all you need. And I actually am betting on Justin
Field's surprising you and other detractors this season more than
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the opposite.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
I'll believe it if I ever see it, and I
don't think I will. This guy, he's granted, he's had
many wow plays. He's delivered a lot of wow plays
when he was with the Bears, But I don't know
if what that is I think Wow is overvalued where yeah,
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he might do some jaw dropping things, but the consistency
is just not there and there are drawbacks with I mean,
I love that he's a dynamic runner of the football,
but that's led to a lot of injuries. He's missed
a lot of time. I just don't know why that.
You get information year in and year out, and there's
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still this thing with a lot of people that are
like I still think he's an ascending player.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
It's like, oh my gosh, just watch the guy.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
But we'll we'll see change of environment, We'll see how
it works out.
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Speaker 3 (29:26):
Wow, how about the White Sox, j Mart. You look
for the record right there, one hundred. That's amazing.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Speaking of terrible Anthony Edwards from the Minnesota Timberwolves. He
had a horrible statement a week or two ago. He
said that he told the Wall Street Journal, I don't
think anybody had skill back then. He's talking about basketball
players from a previous era. We're talking like nineties basketball said,
I don't think anybody had skill back then. Michael Jordan
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was the only one that really had skill. So that's
why when they saw Kobe, they were like, oh my god.
But now everybody has skill. So he had that horrible
statement and Magic. Johnson was asked to chime in what
he thought. He did a sit down interview with Stephen A.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Smith. Here's how some of it sounded.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
And was just saying the other day.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
That there really wasn't any skilled players.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
In the NBA back in the day outside of Michael Jordan.
Your response to that, Irvin and magis, you know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Never respond to a guy that's never won a championship.
There's not nothing to really say.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
He didn't win a college championship. I don't know if
you even want.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
A high school.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
That's that's a magic double negatives in consecutive sentences. Yeah
he did, but whatever he is like that, No, that's
that's magic being off the cuff, Like, that's not the
Twitter account, that's right, yeah, Jick Johnson, that's him, like
all right, this this child needs to be put in
his place.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
That was real, Yes, no doubt, man, It's just what
Anthony Edwards said, makes absolutely zero sense.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Man.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I know you go back in the day with the NBA,
your big hoops head as am I, but to say
only Michael Jordan had skill back that really, come on, man,
like magic it Think about a chem Elijah One, how
much skill that guy had with the dream shake moves
upon moves. It makes no sense. Anthony should have said,
(31:35):
I didn't watch. I don't know what I'm.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Talking about that, right, I mean really that's I mean,
tell us that you're young without telling us you're young.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Yeah, I mean, I mean to say that.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
The guys in the nineties didn't have skill is absolute
insanity on every level, especially down in the post. As
you just mentioned, all those guys have moves. All of
a sudden, there weren't any moves around the time Dwight
Howard started playing basketball.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
I remember every year he would recruit one of the guys.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
From the nineties who had skill underneath to try and
teach him that part of the game to go with
his out of the world athleticism. Yeah, that's just I
like Anthony Edwards. I think he's a good guy. He
sometimes his mouth gets him in trouble a little bit
because he's young and impulsive, and he just says some
things sometimes that one was just not well thought out
(32:22):
and it just kind of belied in a lack of experience.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
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So Colorado, Oh, they're gonna be taking on the Bison.
Don't say bison, Chason Bison over there North Dakota State.
Don't know why that's the thing, but whatever, we move on.
(34:09):
That'll be on Thursday night the big news with.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Colorado, Is that right?
Speaker 6 (34:13):
Because yeah, look Torres said that Saturday night on our program.
He said bison, and I was going to correct him
and be like, wait a second, yeah, bison.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Nope, bison with a Z. I don't know why that's
their thing.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
They actually use a Z.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
That's how they say, and that you were supposed to
pronounce bison as bison.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
That's all my whole life. No, that's exactly what you're
supposed to do. With North Dakota State. I'm pretty sure
they've got a bunch of T shirts and gear with
you know, like a literal Z because that's how they
pronounce it.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Okay, Yeah, whatever, that's.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Just I had to cut you off because I needed clarification.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Our guy, uh Trey Lance from the Cowboys right throwing
five picks. He's an alum. He's a bison over there, right,
like Carson Wentz Bison. Weird but whatever. But the story
with Colorado, Jason is that Dion Sanders aka Coach Prime,
is not taking any questions.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
You don't say right.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
From a specific columnist, Sean Keeler from the Denver Post,
He's had some critical things to write. He's had certain
phrases like Bruce Lee of BS how he's referred to
Dion Sanders, he said something else. He has written this before, Jason,
(35:30):
this cuts deep, you know, I can see how Dion
would say no questions. Sean Keeller referred to the Colorado
program as a circus, which I mean, man, that really
just kind of harms your soul when you read something
as cold as that, Like.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
How weak is this?
Speaker 4 (35:50):
You're gonna freeze a guy out because you dislike some
of the things that he's written.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
This is so thin skinned.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
It's just so, that's the thing, Jay, mart I try
to consider the other side, and there's another side to
every argument, every point of view, and I try to
consider the other side, and I'm.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Still like, now, this is just weak and lame in
thin skinned.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
This is not Deon Sanders gaining attention if he can't attention.
I don't want to be known as the thin skinned
Week coach that can't take some criticism. That's not how
I want to make a name for myself. But here
we are with Colorado and Dion Sanders.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Yeah, the optics are terrible here, Like, you can't do
this if you're Deon Sanders, you don't want to give
him a one on one sit down. I get it right,
Like he doesn't necessarily he's not necessarily.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Entitled to that.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
And I know some people try to defend Dion and say, well, no,
none of these media people are entitled to anything. Well,
I mean, they're covering your team. That is their job.
But their job is to just describe what they see.
And there are some merchants that are bad actors when
it comes to you know, what they pedal and what
they actually believe.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
I understand that.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
But if you're Deon Sanders, the way to get people
to quiet down is just treat him with dignity, Like
this dude, he might have been beneath you and he
might have really ruffled your feathers, but you can't let
him know that, And you definitely can't let anybody else
know that you're Dion Sanders, the guy's name that you mentioned.
I just knew he was with the Denver Post until
you said that. Right, It's not like he's a household guy.
(37:23):
You're not going after somebody that's you are punching down
in the worst way imaginable, and you're a head football
coach and a Hall of Fame level NFL player, and
you've had this wild career and you're this giant celebrity, Like,
how could.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
He get under your skin?
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Like you can't let the world know that that bothered
you so much. You want to privately have your guy say, hey,
We're not gonna do a sit down with you right now,
maybe later in the season, but just call on him,
let him ask his question and answer it. Yeah, and
it's not a story no one even has to know.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
I know it, man.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
That's the perfect phrase, is punching down. This is the
ultimate story of punching down from a coach toward a columnist.
Is most people didn't know Sean Keeler before this whole thing, right,
Dion just made him famous. Uh So, I just don't
get that, man, I don't see the value in that.
And this happened at Jackson State also he punched down.
(38:19):
There was a reporter that Writt wrote something that writted something.
He wrote something that Dion didn't like, and that guy
got frozen out as well. So this is not his
first rodeo. It's just come on, man, I think you
gotta be bigger than that. And that comes with the territory.
Like you could go back in time. Think about Chris
Weber after calling time out and losing a championship and
(38:40):
he was sat there and faced the music and Deon
Sanders can't. I think that's weak, all right, j mart
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