August 30, 2024 • 48 mins
It’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and we got actual football to break down! The Brandon Aiyuk holdout saga comes to an end. Jets GM Joe Douglas addresses the Haason Reddick holdout and an anonymous agent rips Aaron Rodgers.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Rings, Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on Box Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
College football is back, Yeah, and it put on a
show last night. Now should we start with Colorado and
Prime and that whole scene?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I mean that's the headline, right, Yeah, of course it is.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Everybody's going to watch because Shudor is fun as hell
to watch man and.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Makes place man.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Travis Hunter is fun.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
A hell to watch makes place.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
I just hope those guys make it through healthy. That's it.
It's all I'm wondering.
Speaker 6 (00:45):
If one of them goes down. I don't know that.
I mean horn Horn bawled out to Horn Horn Junior
Horn Junior Ye, Jimmy Horn j Jimmy Orton.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yeah, and he bawled out too.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
But I guess you always can. We can always give
props to where the props are doing. And the stars
showed up for Colorado in that game. But I still
think the concerns of last year are still some of
the concerns of this year.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Right. The quarterback for North Dakota.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
Had too much time at times, he was too elusive
for the defense. I say that was an issue. They
were able to make plays when they needed to make
plays against Colorado's defense. I just think the biggest storyline
in that game coming out of that game is one
(01:44):
if Shador. If Shador can do what he did in
this opening game, which you assume them taking a tougher opponent,
even though it's not a big, big opponent. As a
tougher opponent, they did go on a competitive opponent. First
games are going to be difficult. But if Shador and
(02:06):
Travis Hunter and Horn, if they can deliver that way,
this team should be in pretty much every game that
they play in. They need a running game. They definitely
need to find their running game because that's going to
be something that's important in the Big twelve. And their
defense has to be better. I mean that those were
(02:28):
my takeaways from the game.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Well, I'll say this quickly.
Speaker 7 (02:34):
They will always have a shot because of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I mean, I'll continue to keep saying this.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
The quarterback position at the college level will always give
your team a chance, and he's one of the best
in college football. We kind of talked about this. I
don't know if it was earlier this week or maybe
last week, but it'll be Carson back, it'll be him,
and maybe there'll be some others that we talk about
in regards to the top of the first.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Round, but you know that that's the time of talent.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
He is and Travis Hunter and Jimmy Horn Junior, and
I fear the players too on their roster are good
enough of the skill possession to help them win some
football games.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
But as you're basically touching on.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Is this team hasn't really changed a ton from last year.
It's a team that's built off of Shador Sanders carrying
them and then being able to do enough defensively to
win a game. And that was a game where I
think every single weakness you saw in Colorado last year
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is still there.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
The protection at times wasn't great.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
I mean that was North Dakota State, it's not Nebraska
who they played next week. North Dakota State and the
great that's a really good program at that level.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
But they're going to be in it for a big
time challenge if.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
The offensive line doesn't improve, and on the outside, Nebraska
will be able to match up Betterscar should be able
to take away certain pieces of of that offense.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So all the things you touched on, they're gonna.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
Have to do if they want to continue, continue to
keep building momentum, because that's the one thing I'd say
that's so big in college football is momentum, and you
see it throughout games. You know, I really thought Colorado
in the fourth quarter starting to take away the momentum.
But the thing that stood out too, that's a bit
of an issue, is what the hell were.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
They doing throwing on first intent?
Speaker 7 (04:32):
They could have kneeled the ball three times the game
was over, and North dakost State when you had a
shot at the very end, it was I mean, it's
those sorts of decisions that we could talk about the glitz,
the glamour and what of the program, and then there's
just talking ball and you leave people scratching their heads
(04:53):
going why they do that. They literally had the game
in hand. They never had to punt the ball back.
That's the sort of thing that maybe maybe North Dakota
State won't beat you, someone will beat you if you
give them another opportunity like that, if they're able to
handle it better. So you know, look, Colorado is going
to be a team that's boy eligible. I think they'll
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win more than six games, But if they really want
to be one of the top of the Big twelve,
they've got to do a better job coaching. They got
some help, I thought from the refs for some no calls.
At the end of the game, they spotted the ball
and the clock was stopped at fifteen seconds.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
The ref then picks it up to move it back.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
It takes another six seconds off the clock from North
Dakota State then to snap.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
The ball and spike it.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
It was one of the most egregious things I've seen
an official do amongst a bunch of the miscalls. So
there's a lot of things that helped Colorado get that
win last night. At the end, it doesn't matter, but
they need some big time improvement from week one to
week two.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Deon Sanders spoke afterwards about the decision to throw on
that final drive.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
I mean, you got to understand you gotta take what
people give you. You can't take what you want and it's
not there.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I mean, what is it? What do you throw it for?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Five yards? You think we upset? Right? Who upset? See?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
They ever run a game?
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
The passing game look pretty.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Darn good today.
Speaker 8 (06:17):
So let's let's let's be appreciative and thankful that we
got one of the premier guys in college footballs spending it.
We're gonna run the ball. We're gonna do that. We're
gonna have a lot more battles. Today was just that
type of day. You gotta take what they give you.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
But in that situation like too and stuff, you want
to run a clock down, you won't.
Speaker 8 (06:33):
For no, no, you want first downs, right if you
want to run a clock down, they got a five
man box. I mean they got five five down. Like
you gotta look up there and say, okay, I got
one on one right here. I haven't seen one on
one the whole game.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
So I gotta do what I gotta do. The move
these changes, and that's what that is.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Well, I mean, I'll let you have that cute. I mean,
I understand what he's saying. I do understand, like getting
a first down the game is over, but uh, I'll let.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
You have a Q. I'll let you have it.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
I mean, it's just it's math. It's it's not complicated,
it's math. I mean they could have ran the clock out.
Everyone understands the objective, but you still could have ran
the clock out given their lack of timeout to give
it where you had the football.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Yeah, I mean if your reasoning is is five man
down because you know they're going to try there in
Victory's formation. Yeah, and that's that's that's what I would say.
And he's right, he spends it. And then Q you
you mentioned it. Chador Schador spends the ball. I mean
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he he can, he can play.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
He can also run too, right, he's alright running.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I mean he can. He can buy himself some time.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
I mean, the one thing that really stood out to me,
that really jumped out at me about Shador Sanders is
that he's he was delivering. He was delivering some beautiful
under some serious duress. Like he was getting hit, Like
a couple of the big plays he made during this game,
he was getting hit the same time he was releasing
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the ball.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
He looks bigger, doesn't he. He bulked up, right, he
looks a little bigger. He was growing a little bit.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Yeah, I mean I thought they were impressive. I thought
the offense in the passing game was impressive.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I was not in and Prime said it.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Coach Prime said, listen that they need to improve their
running game. I looked at some of the plays. I
looked over him again, a little bit some of the
plays that and it was interesting being in I'm here
in State.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
College and I was with some of my you know, some.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Of the old heads. Yeah, yeah, we are. Matter of fact,
you know, Q will talk about that Ques and Morgan Town,
so he's.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Going to see my dudes. Well yeah, but there were
some former players.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
And I was at a Spikes baseball game yesterday, shouts
out to the State College Spikes, And the first thing
that guys were saying, which I thought was an interesting observation,
was once they if you want to see the difference
or understand the difference between a major and a mid
like a Power five versus like a mid major, and
(09:19):
like lower levels, you'd see like plays where there be
they were taking advantage of one on one situations and
the defender would actually be close enough for it to
be a non factor play, but they were still turning
into bigger plays. And you're looking at and you're like,
see that linebacker right there, if that's if that's a
(09:42):
power five linebacker, that's a that's a catch, and that's
a tackle, And that wasn't happening in the game last evening.
There were catches, there were plays, and those linebackers or
those corners they weren't able to they were they were
in position like give give South Dakota their their props.
They were in North North North. Wow, I keep missing
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mixing them up. They were in position to make the plays.
They were just meant they they were minting. This is
why you're here and not at a power five school.
And that was like Now that became the debate was
when you get into the bigger games and the coverages
are the coverages, and the plays are the plays.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
And Deon said it, look, you're gonna take what the
defense gives you.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
If you got linebackers that can handle the matchups and
you're able to drop it off to them and the
flares as a check a checkdown, and they're able to
make bigger plays out of that because you can't make
that tackle or you're throwing quick screens out to the
out into the the you know, the edges of the defense.
If they can't make those tackles, then you you take
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what they're going to give you. But I just think
that those were certain things that popped out and that
were being discussed. When defenses have the guys that can
match up, are they going to be able to Are
they going to have enough offense? Are they going to
have enough you know, good calls in order to be
able to have the success? And again, can the defensive
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front can can the defense as a whole can they
put can they put more pressure on the quarterback? And
can they make bigger plays you know versus you know,
stopping stopping quarterbacks from being able to run and stopping
the run altogether? Their defensive front has a lot to prove.
There was a kind of a lot left on the
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table in terms of saying, Okay, they came out, this
was a dominant performance. This guy, you know, kind of
established himself as the go to guy. That's something that
you're still going to look for out of Buffalo moving forward.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
I mean, at least they were thinking about the people.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Who had money on Colorado at the end. You know,
I'm throwing the ball like that, giving them a chance,
you know, like everyone thinking, oh this pant's over.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Then they're slinging it.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
We want we do realize Colorado call a time out
with thirty eight seconds left, right with that fourth down
like that. Like That's what I'm trying to say is
the reporters should have followed up and said, no, we
understand the first first down you got in that drive,
but you then had the opportunity, had you not thrown
on first down, to be able to have run the
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clock out, just to see what the follow up was.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Because that's the reality of it.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
And like for all the things you just said, LeVar,
here's the truth is is this team any different from
last year?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
My answer is no.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
Offensive line was still issue, didn't have a running game,
defense struggle. Like we already know knew that Shader Sanders
was one of the top quarterbacks. We know that Travis
Hunter is one of the best players in college football.
We know Jimmy Horn Junior is one of their playmakers,
like we know they have weapons on the outside. There's
nothing that's really changed for them. They're still gonna be
(12:56):
fun to watch. They're gonna be fun to watch the
entire season because they're gonna be a dogfight and they're
gonna be able to come back in games because their
passing game and because their skilled players. Because they if
you look at Travis Hunter and Jimmy Horn Jr. Those
are two of the better players in college football. So
it doesn't matter what defenses do, what the matchups are
they're still going to get theirs. It just comes down to, like,
(13:19):
can this team help those guys out enough? And on
the point of Shador, the best thing about his game,
and this is something that I felt watching him last
year and was talked about and discussed a ton. He's accurate,
He's all the things you're looking for in a quarterback.
His poise when you talk about the ability to deliver
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a ball while getting hit and by the way happening
time and time again, his poise is what always just
stood out to me. Most quarterbacks, when they get hit
as often as he does, they eventually start to feel
it their pocket presence, how they play throughout the course
of a game or a season.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
They start to not us that offensive.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Line, he continually hangs in there, hangs in there, and
he'll he'll wait until someone gets open. He'll wait till
someone separates, delivers a strike, take take a shot, get
right back up. I mean, it's pretty impressive to watch.
That's the one thing that you know, I think if
you look at him compared to any other quarterback in
college football, he's got that over everyone. We watched it
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all last year and so far it looks like it's
going to be that way this year.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So if they're the same team they were last year,
but the competition's a lot stiffer this year than last year,
then the results are going to be worse than last year.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Ultimately, I don't I.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Don't think it's stiffer, you know, I think it's about
the same.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
But I think there's elements where you feel like they
they'll be able to win to me, at least six
or more games because of Shador. Like I just I
think if you if you're matching up whoever they're playing
at quarterback, you know Dylan Ryol who they play next
week as a freshman, talented player, he could go off
this year.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Baby.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
But that's a guy that I think if you're saying
who would you take right now, you take s Door Sanders.
That that quarterback matchup every single week, he's gonna have
the advantage, and there's gonna be a few times. I
mean maybe outside of Utah you might say, Okay, Cam
Rising has been playing college football for everything. He's twenty
five now, Like outside of maybe that matchup, you'd say, yeah,
(15:23):
I take Shor Sanders.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So if that's the case, they always have a punching chance.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
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Speaker 3 (17:35):
Just oh no, singer Jonas, Oh no.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
We tracked this story the best for weeks upon weeks.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
The contract that didn't get done for.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
So got us through a lot of lean times.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Jonas irritating.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
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Speaker 5 (18:07):
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Speaker 3 (18:08):
But I guess those days.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
We're arguing about breakdancing in the Olympics is so home.
We were giving you daily updates goodbye on the drama
involving Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Talk and.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
And here we are.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
The end of the road. Oh no, it's so hard
to say goodbye.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Man.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
It is not end of the road. That's a different group.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Oh no, I mean no, same group, same group, different song,
but it applies here.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
It does because it's the end of the road for
this topic.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Okay, Brandon Ayuk four years, one hundred and twenty million
dollar extension with the Niners, seventy six million dollars guaranteed, just.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
A hell of a run.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Then I think we're going to look back on and
be like, you know what the summer of twenty twenty
four was. It wasn't an anthem, it wasn't a song.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
It was the summer a Yuk.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
It was Ayuk?
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
His deal is done and he's in San Fran for
the Four Seas? Are you kidding me? The deal is
done and he's on san Fran.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
What it's supposed to be?
Speaker 5 (19:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
The deal is done.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I'm thinking Italian mobster family, just a little distressed.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
But like East Coast, like New York? Is that sounded?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Joy was he's talking about he's using that joys. It's done.
Forget about it, forget about it?
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Are you kidding me? The deal is done? One more years.
Speaker 9 (19:50):
Now?
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Let him get him some chicken palm?
Speaker 5 (19:52):
There was a done.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
There was a little bit of a drama attached to
the contract, because of course there was, yeah, asked me.
Adam Schefter sent out a tweet saying yeah. In essence,
this was the same deal that they balked at a
couple of weeks ago. But they came back and decided
to accept the offer from the Niners, and Brandon Ayuk's
agent pushed back and said, well, that's not factually correct,
(20:15):
trying to make it seem like, well, no, we played
hardball and we ended up winning in the end.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Who knows.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Here's what I love about this too. When agents are
willing to put out something public like that, I went.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Ahead and send him a message.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
I said, oh, okay, what changed, Like, if you want
to put it out there, that's something changed, tell us, like,
helps someone else communicate your message to what changed? Because clearly,
if you look how Adam Schefter put out his tweet,
he talked about league sources, so he obviously got his
information from the forty nine ers, whereas you know that
(20:50):
the Brendon and i Yu side didn't get there like
play out their side the messaging at least based on
what Schefter reported. So you know, Ryan Williams, if you
listen like we're here to support you, and brendan Ayuk
just tell us what changed the deal and will gladly
help share your message. But this is the difference between
when you know chefter has ties to a certain agent
(21:12):
or a certain team.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
You see the.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Difference in the messaging because now this looks like a
win for San Francisco, does it not? Yes, when in
reality it's probably more of a win for a brendan
Ayuk staying in San Francisco and brought per win than
Deebo Samuel who now most likely this will be his
final year in San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
And it was pretty obvious when he was turning down
trade destinations like Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
This is where he ultimately always wanted to end up.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
And they got it done and it's a nice contract
and he gets paid and everybody's happy, and now they
focus on Trent Williams. But like the back and forth
of like yeah, but but it was on our terms, No,
we get It's like, dude, who cares the guy got paid?
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Like he got paid and it's over.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Your new money averages thirty million a year, like like,
be happy with it, be happy with where we're at,
You're who the team is gonna compete for Super Bowls.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
I mean, you gotta feed your family, man. You know,
you gotta be mindful of the fact that when you're
going for these new contracts, you just gotta make enough
money to be able to you know, you got to
keep food on the table, man.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
That's that's you.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
It just you just got to make sure that you're
keeping those things in the proper context and in the
proper perspective, because if you ain't doing it the right way, man,
you end up hungry.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Man.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
That's all I'm gonna say. Close mouths, don't get fad.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
You know what I mean far is has he got
enough to feed his family?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
You think you know, I'm gonna just say he needed
to make sure. Yes, yes, yep.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
I'm not even going to try to pontificate on it
or try to bring in any type of real intellectual
type of knowledge that the simple answer is, yeah, he
got that money.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Dog man.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
What a run we had with this though, So that's
a scratch. What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Hey, I don't included as part of that.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Look, come on, we're a team here, all right. We
all did this together.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
You can't have good without evil. You gotta have both sides.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
You can't have heads.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Without tails, you know what I mean. You was on
that coin, you, you was on that conversational coin.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
We're all doing this together.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
I don't think y'all were together. I don't think you
were technically together. Jonas, you were hits and Q was tails.
You know, he didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
You did.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
It made for interesting radio. It was very entertaining to
me first as as a very close up observer and
spectator of what was taking place.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
And now I don't get to do it anymore.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
I knew how uncomfortable this topic MADEQ, and I enjoyed it,
not because it made him uncomfort or I want to
see Q uncomfortable. It's just that it's fun listening to
him have a problem with you, and and you thinking
that it's fun him having a problem with you.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It is just entertaining.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Here's here's the real real that's.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
The real story that's coming to an end. That's that's
the real song that should be sung.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
But here's the real battle.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Like we've been doing this for so long that if
we've if either one of us gives an indication that
we're fed up with something. The other guy's going to
show it to death, like into the dirt. Oh yeah,
and that's how this is, Like, that's how this is
gonna go.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Or just don't show up at all, you know, geez.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I thought of the second song, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Or just don't deal with it. Just I'm just not
dealing with y'all at all. I'm taking a your break.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Now, y'all don't pay me enough to deal with this.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Thankfully, we do have some one left over, Jamar Chase.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Step right up. Oh no, is this going to bleed
into the season? Okay? Is this going to happen?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Because he's our only hope if we want to hold
out to bleed into the season.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Your hope, that hour your hope.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
There was a report that came out I think it
was Ian Rappaport who said that Jamar Chase wants either
the exact dollar amount of Justin Jefferson or a penny
more like that's his goal.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Whether or not he gets that goal and reaches that
goal with the Cincinnati Bengals, who the hell knows, But
that was a report that came out. Obviously, you know,
their teammates, their friends and maybe he looks at that
as an opportunity to kind of have a one up
on him. But that's at least the latest on Jamar
Chase still not practicing the team.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
I will be honest, I would know exactly how I'd
try to handle this. If I was the Bengals organization,
I would give him that. But the reality is he's
got to play this year and next year still in
his rookie deal.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
So I would.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
I would make sure that the whole new deal and
all this stuff talks about this, you know, four year
average Annuel salary of thirty five million per year, right,
and I would.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I would keep preaching that, but in.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Reality, it would really be a six year deal and
spread it over that period of time.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
And that's that's how I would get around it.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
If I was the Bengals, it would just be all
messaging all, you know, making sure my agent and I
got it, and then see if anyone actually checks out
the contract once it's filed, because that's the only way
I think they'll be able to kind of make it work.
Outside of again and talking about that infusion of cash
a private equity company could bring. If the Bengals were
looking at trying to give a big signing bonus to
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help reduce the cap hit in the short term. But
you can go put on some Dubbie years in the
back of a contract.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
For some of these.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Contracts, you can make a look however you want, because
the truth is in two or thre three years that
contract probably will get restructured. You either have a player
who's playing as a number one wide receiver, one of
the best in the league, and he's gonna want more,
or he's gonna want you're gonna want a restructure for
cap purposes, or you're gonna be reducing it or cutting them.
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That's just the truth of it, because typically you don't
have guarantees in a contract past two years. If you're
a quarterback, yeah, usually it would go into year three.
But for the most part, for why even wide receivers
hard to find it going into year three very very rare.
So if that's the case, you can, yeah, sign them up,
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doesn't matter. I mean, it's funny money at some point
in the back end and end of it, especially if
it's not guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
I just wonder, with all things given, if Jamar Chase
and his representation carry this into the season, what is
is there is the impact of it positively in his favor, Like,
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I just wonder what his representation is telling him.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
And you know, I feel like I feel like when you.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Get into contract situations, it gets uncomfortable, right, It gets
uncomfortable when you talk business amongst what you call yourself.
At least you try to convince yourself once you get
to the pros that this is about family, not about business.
It's about us being a family to win ball games
and not about it really being a business. But when
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the business becomes a part of that, how does that uncomfortable?
You know, conversation and that feeling, How does how does
that play out? More often than not, the player isn't there,
so it's uncomfortable without it being there. Jamar Chase has
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been there. He's walking on the practice field, he's walking
amongst his teammates. Sometimes you'll have in scenarios like this,
a teammate will come out and listen. It's not that
they're necessarily against you. It's just that they want to
win and they want to see their teammate back on
the team, especially a teammate that's good enough to be
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in a situation where they're in a contract, you know,
situation with with the franchise. They generally may shame you
a little bit, like you need to get back in Okay,
play times over, we're getting to regular season. Okay, let's
wrap this thing up, Da dada. And usually you'll you'll
hear a few, you know, guys that kind of come
out and say, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
It'll work out, you know, and and but you need
to get back.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
You know, you need to get back into practice, you
need to get back into camp, you need to get
back with the team. He's amongst the team, and he's
walking around in street clothes, and I just wonder what's
the feeling and listen, I think I think athletes are
a lot different. I think the the approach I'm talking
about is a more old school approach, like guys that
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were probably born, you know, in the early seventies and
in the sixties. That's probably the type of guys that
would have those things to say. Doesn't seem like that's
how guys are now. And so I would be curious
to know what is the mood of it with Jamar
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Chase as it gets closer and closer to regular season,
what is the mood of it, especially when you have
a head coach that he's thinking it's one thing and
it wasn't that it's something totally different. He has to
come back and clean up and clear up what it
is that he thought it was and what he said.
And it just seems as though guys are on different
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pages somewhat on where this is all supposed to end
up and where it's supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
How do you get through this? You know, how do
you get through this?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
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Speaker 2 (31:08):
We are fastly approaching the NFL season. A team that's
been discussed at nauseum are the New York Jets, and
a lot of it is about Aaron Rodgers, and a
lot of it is about Robert Sala And meanwhile, lurking
in the distance is a son Reddick who they made
a deal to acquire this offseason and their GM Joe
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Douglas spoke about the status of a son Rettick, who
reported took his physical after being traded and then just decided, yeah,
I ain't coming unless I get a new contract here
was the Jets GM.
Speaker 11 (31:45):
I mean, in simple terms, we did we did talk
about an extension once that.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Once one wasn't agreed upon.
Speaker 11 (31:57):
You know, we had the conversation and we felt good
about about making the trade, and so you know, obviously
game here, reported had a great day here, and again
we just uh, we're just waiting his arrival. From our standpoint,
you know, we've been really clear and direct with with
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our communication and a lot of respect for for for
the agent, a lot of respect for the player.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
And I have faith that this all give results.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, So I don't know what faith that would be.
It seems pretty clear he's not getting paid.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
It's not the same faith. This is his song reddicks though.
That's what I say. They have different different.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Faith are a faith off between faith.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
That's exactly what this is, because they ain't on the
same faith frequency.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Yeah, do you guys get the sense they're just trying
to get through this year. They know ultimately their faith,
their their faith. It's going to be one or two things.
Either they're gonna win with Rogers or it's not going
to work out and the whole thing gets blown up.
Is that is that fair to say?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yes, okay, then, but this is my big issue with
their thinking is that they don't want to set a precedent.
And we talked about this before, Like their thing is, well,
we have other players in the building. We don't want
to set a precedent that we're going to do contracts
with guys who don't show up to work. It's like, okay, well,
what about the fact that if you know he doesn't
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show up to work, your team's not as good. And
if your team's not as good and not good enough
to make the playoffs this year, everybody's gone. So why
would you not look past whatever this roadblock is that
you have this invisible and make believe precedent that you've
set and realize if they don't produce, Douglas is gone,
Rogers is gone, Sala's gone. Who cares unless what he
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Johnson is directing him to not operate under anything other
than don't negotiate with guys who aren't in the building.
What does it matter whether or not you set a
precedent Now, as long as you guys are maintained and
you keep your jobs for next year because you had
a good season.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Listen, listen to what you are saying, listen, listen to
what we're saying and what has been said. Let me
ask you guys this, has there been a storyline of
uh non I guess a lack of continuity or a
lack of high I guess high accomplishment or or whatever
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it may be.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
I don't know what that is that I'm here.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
What do you mean? Oh?
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Is that what it was?
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Yeah? No, I wasn't playing. That's that's weird, j Ray, Ray,
what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (34:46):
All I'm saying is have we had any conversations about
the New York Jets where there was not any drama
connected to it?
Speaker 11 (34:53):
Like?
Speaker 6 (34:54):
How many have we had like in comparison to drama?
Speaker 7 (34:58):
Are you asking this because this is feeding into your
theory they will not be good this year.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
It's feeding into my theory that they will not be
good this year.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Wait for this season, man, I can't wait to see.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
I just have never heard have you ever heard in
your time? I'm trying to think.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I feel like that always has drug.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Dallas popped into my head.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Dallas pied the White House and all that stuff, like
when they were they had the three headed minds.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
But even now, what was the drama.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
But they don't win.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
What was the White House?
Speaker 4 (35:29):
But they don't they don't win. What do you mean
by win it all?
Speaker 5 (35:32):
What do you mean by white House?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Well, you know what I meant by the White House,
like all the girls that were in there. No, I
don't know. It was more so about drugs. Actually, what
I think I was just being funny either.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Figure.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
I figured I just deliver girls. I figured out, oh
there's one of those up top.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
Brady, did you say snow buddies? What do you what
did you say and say that? I did say snow bunnies.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I thought I heard snow buddies from there.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
No, but that's what they were saying was up in there.
Snow bunnies is the reason why I got labeled the
White House. Damn it was snowing values in there. Magical
bunnies is what they were referenced as. I would say,
that's maybe the one team that you can look at
and see. But I don't even think that they were
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dysfunctional as an organization. They were just you know, they
was getting it in a few of the guys was
just partying really hard. I've never The point I'm making
is I've never heard of an organization that's a dysfunctional
organization and how things are done, and that every turn
there's some type of confusion or something going on that
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that team wins. I've never heard of it, no matter
how much talent they've had or how good they are,
And dysfunction doesn't get turned around this quickly. You're not
going to write the dysfunction quickly enough for your team
to have success.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
You know, since we're on the topic, which team in
the NFL would you say.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Has the least drama? A good question because I'm like,
what teams do we not.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Talk about at all? What teams don't get brought up? Well,
I feel like, I mean Kansas City doesn't. I mean
outside of maybe like one one player here and there
that does.
Speaker 7 (37:23):
Something, there are dramas like Travis Kelcey and Taylor Swift.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
Which is not that's not you know, that's not organizational drama.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I mean after a bounty gate, squeaky clean operation.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Don't talk about him, We don't talk about them.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
I mean some of it may have to do with relevance,
I guess, but the drum, like Aaron Rodgers is in
the media all the time. He says something. It's going viral.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
He's there.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Whatever, Robert Salah has something to say, it's it's being
talked about. Hassan Reddick has become a household name off
of this. Nobody really knew who Hassan Redick was. Now
we know who Hassan Redik is.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
What do you mean good year?
Speaker 6 (38:08):
We had a good year. He's had some good years,
good years, he said. But people he wasn't a household name.
Now people know who Son Reddick is because of the
New York Jets.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
I think he won a super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Okay, I think he won. I think he won a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Good player, Okay, I mean, are you saying the Jets.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I'm saying he's not a good player.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Are you saying the Jets have poisoned the reputation of
a Son Redick?
Speaker 5 (38:31):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
I'm not saying that at all.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
I'm saying that he's in the media and his his
name is constantly circulating around because of his situation that's
playing out with the New York Jets.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
I mean, look, you know, I don't I don't think
he's unknown though. I mean, he's been the Pro Bowl
last two years.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
I don't care. He's not He's not a household.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Although I would say this if I were to ask you, guys, hey,
can you name which franchise in the end had a
quarterback where panteose and a coach with a foot fetish.
There's only one answer, and that's the New York Jets.
So to your point, there is some drama and some
stuff that always seems to reside with the Jets always.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
I don't I just don't see them.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
I just don't see how you can have success this way.
I just don't see how, and maybe I can be
proven wrong. I'm not the authority on if you're going
to have success or not. I just know in my time,
you don't see this type of dysfunction play out as
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much as it does with an organization and they win.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
It's hard enough to win. You have all the talent
in the world.
Speaker 6 (39:46):
But it's still hard to win even with all the
talent that you have. I don't see when you have
all these distractions a team being able to focus in
on what they need to do to have a successful year.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
It does blow my mind that they traded for him,
and I don't care what he said.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I don't care if he said he'd play out the
cod whatever his agent said.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
He said, it's crazy that the team didn't think this
was a possibility. I mean, with every decision you make
of this magnitude, when you're bringing in a player like that,
I mean, you have.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
To be figuring to yourself.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
First off, why does Philly not want them?
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Right?
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Like?
Speaker 7 (40:31):
Did that ever dawn on Joe Douglas or the New
York Jets? Why are they willing to trade away Hassan
Reddick given the production that he's had, given the fact
that he's been.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
A Pro Bowl, Like, is there not something more there?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, Like if Howie Roseman's on the other end of
the phone, don't you have to take a second look?
Speaker 3 (40:48):
That's fine, But that's fine.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
But let's just think logically, why would a team want
to get rid of a guy who's been a two
time Pro bowler who's been really helpful.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
On your roster?
Speaker 7 (40:59):
Right, Like, you have to ask yourself that question and
then and then go, huh, did they know something we
don't know? Like maybe he does want a new contract,
Maybe maybe there's something else going on. There's a Jets
team that traded for him and it gave up a
young pass rusher that the Eagles found valuing. I mean,
would you be like thinking to yourself, so, what do
you guys want to return? Oh, you guys want Brice
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uf Uh. Okay, that's odd, younger one, like you're they're
either telling you there's something going on here, either his contract.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Health wise, his age, attitude.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
Something, and yet they're willing to replace them with the
younger guys not as proven but maybe has a lot
of upside, Like, doesn't that strike you as odd?
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I just it boggles my mind.
Speaker 7 (41:42):
How Joe Douglas could make that decision and then not
think that there wasn't gonna be something on the other
side of this trade, whether it's a contract extension, maybe
something with an injury or or physical they find out
that they weren't aware of, which I mean technically would
make the trade and all if they wanted to. But
it just it does make any sense how they wouldn't
have seen this coming and then wanted to.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Address it right away.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
So we're not having a conversation about this as we
head into Week one of.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
The NFL season.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
That's the bigger point, maybe the biggest point of it all.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
You have all this on the line Joe Douglas, Robert Salah.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
Hell, even the ownership Woody Johnson, y'all have so much
at stake as it applies to the reputation. If this
doesn't work this year, what would ever give you the
inclination that this franchise can put together a team that
can win.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
If they don't win this year.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Do you think they should just have wood y'all's sell
a team?
Speaker 6 (42:46):
Then no, I mean, it wouldn't be the first time
that that would be my conclusion. It wouldn't be the
first time. There are just some people that should not
be running a sports franchise.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (43:04):
In that category, he would never need to run a franchise.
He would not need to run a franchise, not a
successful one.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
He stepped away from it, exactly exactly.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
That's the point. That's the point that I'm making. That's
the point that I'm making. All I'm saying is to
answer your question. You give the fans in the city
that the people that support the franchise, give them the
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opportunity to have success, give them the opportunity to be
happy about where they like. I'll say this, things have changed.
So maybe business is business. It used to be like
for me, I'm saying I'm saying it like this, Right,
I'm from Pittsburgh. Generally the old days, you're from Ohio,
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you're and your team was the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
My team was the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
Now Jonahs doesn't fall into this category because you're not
like traditional, like you like a team that's from not
where you're from, but me historical.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Mom Illinois, not near Chicago.
Speaker 6 (44:19):
Historically speaking, where you're from is the team you cheered for.
Like if you come to Pittsburgh and we whoop your ass,
that meant that I'm looking at the city that we
beat and it's like, that's what we would do to
you as a city.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
Right, That's that's what we represent.
Speaker 6 (44:40):
Like our team, our team was an extension of us.
That's where to me, that's where fandom comes from. You
want to know where I go nuts over if we
have a big hit or if we have Jerome Bettist
plowing through people and stuff, because that represents me when
I walk around, I'm a Steeler, I'm a fan. That
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represents my mentality. It turned into the way I played
the game. It actually ultimately produces what you are.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
To me.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
It's like that's being a fan.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
So if you ask me should have should a owner
that doesn't embrace what the city represents? I don't even
know really what the like if you look at their
fan base, do we even know what their fan base represents?
And I'm sure the Jets fans would say yes. And
if the Jets fans that are saying yes to the
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question of what do you represent? What is the identity
of your fan base? You should ultimately be able to
look at your team and say you are an extension
of your fan base and they are an extension of you.
And if you don't have ownership group that actually can
embrace that and can can bring a value to that
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and protect that and represent that in the ultimate team sport,
let that team go, man and find somebody who at
least I don't care if you're from there, find somebody
who has the business acumen to be able to own
the team and put the people in the proper positions
that understand, we have to put a product in front
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of our extension of us that represents them so that
our business will flourish because our captive audience are our fans.
We grow our community through wins, through representing the interests
of what our fans' interests are.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
We align that way.
Speaker 6 (46:40):
I feel like that gets lost a lot of times,
and it's decentralized in a lot of ways, but that's
what it should be. I don't feel like that's what
some of these teams represent.
Speaker 7 (46:53):
Yeah, it's well said, and I think we've come to
two conclusions. One LeVar believes what Johnson should sell to
get rid of them, to lead to Lap shouldn't run
the team.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
That's well, yes, that was yes, that's yes. I agree
with that. I support that. Would you want would you
want Lee to run the company you work for? Q?
Speaker 7 (47:17):
I mean, I think if if there's a lot of
drama on Chaos, it'd be interesting to see if you
throw Lee into the mix, if that helps or hurts it.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
That's what I'd be curious to see.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Oh boy, I'll yeah right.
Speaker 7 (47:33):
That's what I'm saying, is like, maybe it's one of
those things where like you throw Lee in the mix
and it seems like it could be more chaotic, but
maybe he calms it down.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
You could fix the New York Jets Lee, Maybe Lee could.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
I don't think it make it worse.
Speaker 7 (47:48):
Get him a white Russian and Uh, thats me, He'll
walk around there.
Speaker 6 (47:53):
The fact that lead to lap just said on national
radio that I don't think I could make it any
worse tells you everything that.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
You need to know. Oh Man, good luck New York Jets.
Good luck.
Speaker 5 (48:07):
You know what's great about this show?
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Like if you cannot handle it, stay as far away
from this crew as possible, because you are gonna get it.
Everybody's gonna get it at one point or another here
on this show.
Speaker 5 (48:22):
There's a rough crowd.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Man.
Speaker 5 (48:25):
By the way.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Also, if you want to add a little drama to
the story, maybe Woody Johnson just sell the team to Fauci.
Just see how that works out. For everything you think
Rogers will stick around. If that's the case, there's no.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Does Fouci have enough money to be able to buy it?
Speaker 5 (48:37):
I mean, you know, go through his resume. Apparently so
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
College football is back, Yeah, and it put on a
show last night. Now should we start with Colorado and
Prime and that whole scene?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I mean that's the headline, right, Yeah, of course it is.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Everybody's going to watch because Shudor is fun as hell
to watch man and.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Makes place man.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Travis Hunter is fun.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
A hell to watch makes place.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
I just hope those guys make it through healthy. That's it.
It's all I'm wondering.
Speaker 6 (00:45):
If one of them goes down. I don't know that.
I mean horn Horn bawled out to Horn Horn Junior
Horn Junior Ye, Jimmy Horn j Jimmy Orton.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yeah, and he bawled out too.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
But I guess you always can. We can always give
props to where the props are doing. And the stars
showed up for Colorado in that game. But I still
think the concerns of last year are still some of
the concerns of this year.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Right. The quarterback for North Dakota.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
Had too much time at times, he was too elusive
for the defense. I say that was an issue. They
were able to make plays when they needed to make
plays against Colorado's defense. I just think the biggest storyline
in that game coming out of that game is one
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if Shador. If Shador can do what he did in
this opening game, which you assume them taking a tougher opponent,
even though it's not a big, big opponent. As a
tougher opponent, they did go on a competitive opponent. First
games are going to be difficult. But if Shador and
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Travis Hunter and Horn, if they can deliver that way,
this team should be in pretty much every game that
they play in. They need a running game. They definitely
need to find their running game because that's going to
be something that's important in the Big twelve. And their
defense has to be better. I mean that those were
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my takeaways from the game.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Well, I'll say this quickly.
Speaker 7 (02:34):
They will always have a shot because of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I mean, I'll continue to keep saying this.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
The quarterback position at the college level will always give
your team a chance, and he's one of the best
in college football. We kind of talked about this. I
don't know if it was earlier this week or maybe
last week, but it'll be Carson back, it'll be him,
and maybe there'll be some others that we talk about
in regards to the top of the first.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Round, but you know that that's the time of talent.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
He is and Travis Hunter and Jimmy Horn Junior, and
I fear the players too on their roster are good
enough of the skill possession to help them win some
football games.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
But as you're basically touching on.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Is this team hasn't really changed a ton from last year.
It's a team that's built off of Shador Sanders carrying
them and then being able to do enough defensively to
win a game. And that was a game where I
think every single weakness you saw in Colorado last year
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is still there.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
The protection at times wasn't great.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
I mean that was North Dakota State, it's not Nebraska
who they played next week. North Dakota State and the
great that's a really good program at that level.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
But they're going to be in it for a big
time challenge if.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
The offensive line doesn't improve, and on the outside, Nebraska
will be able to match up Betterscar should be able
to take away certain pieces of of that offense.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So all the things you touched on, they're gonna.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
Have to do if they want to continue, continue to
keep building momentum, because that's the one thing I'd say
that's so big in college football is momentum, and you
see it throughout games. You know, I really thought Colorado
in the fourth quarter starting to take away the momentum.
But the thing that stood out too, that's a bit
of an issue, is what the hell were.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
They doing throwing on first intent?
Speaker 7 (04:32):
They could have kneeled the ball three times the game
was over, and North dakost State when you had a
shot at the very end, it was I mean, it's
those sorts of decisions that we could talk about the glitz,
the glamour and what of the program, and then there's
just talking ball and you leave people scratching their heads
(04:53):
going why they do that. They literally had the game
in hand. They never had to punt the ball back.
That's the sort of thing that maybe maybe North Dakota
State won't beat you, someone will beat you if you
give them another opportunity like that, if they're able to
handle it better. So you know, look, Colorado is going
to be a team that's boy eligible. I think they'll
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win more than six games, But if they really want
to be one of the top of the Big twelve,
they've got to do a better job coaching. They got
some help, I thought from the refs for some no calls.
At the end of the game, they spotted the ball
and the clock was stopped at fifteen seconds.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
The ref then picks it up to move it back.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
It takes another six seconds off the clock from North
Dakota State then to snap.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
The ball and spike it.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
It was one of the most egregious things I've seen
an official do amongst a bunch of the miscalls. So
there's a lot of things that helped Colorado get that
win last night. At the end, it doesn't matter, but
they need some big time improvement from week one to
week two.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Deon Sanders spoke afterwards about the decision to throw on
that final drive.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
I mean, you got to understand you gotta take what
people give you. You can't take what you want and it's
not there.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I mean, what is it? What do you throw it for?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Five yards? You think we upset? Right? Who upset? See?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
They ever run a game?
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
The passing game look pretty.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Darn good today.
Speaker 8 (06:17):
So let's let's let's be appreciative and thankful that we
got one of the premier guys in college footballs spending it.
We're gonna run the ball. We're gonna do that. We're
gonna have a lot more battles. Today was just that
type of day. You gotta take what they give you.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
But in that situation like too and stuff, you want
to run a clock down, you won't.
Speaker 8 (06:33):
For no, no, you want first downs, right if you
want to run a clock down, they got a five
man box. I mean they got five five down. Like
you gotta look up there and say, okay, I got
one on one right here. I haven't seen one on
one the whole game.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
So I gotta do what I gotta do. The move
these changes, and that's what that is.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Well, I mean, I'll let you have that cute. I mean,
I understand what he's saying. I do understand, like getting
a first down the game is over, but uh, I'll let.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
You have a Q. I'll let you have it.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
I mean, it's just it's math. It's it's not complicated,
it's math. I mean they could have ran the clock out.
Everyone understands the objective, but you still could have ran
the clock out given their lack of timeout to give
it where you had the football.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Yeah, I mean if your reasoning is is five man
down because you know they're going to try there in
Victory's formation. Yeah, and that's that's that's what I would say.
And he's right, he spends it. And then Q you
you mentioned it. Chador Schador spends the ball. I mean
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he he can, he can play.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
He can also run too, right, he's alright running.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I mean he can. He can buy himself some time.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
I mean, the one thing that really stood out to me,
that really jumped out at me about Shador Sanders is
that he's he was delivering. He was delivering some beautiful
under some serious duress. Like he was getting hit, Like
a couple of the big plays he made during this game,
he was getting hit the same time he was releasing
(08:10):
the ball.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
He looks bigger, doesn't he. He bulked up, right, he
looks a little bigger. He was growing a little bit.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Yeah, I mean I thought they were impressive. I thought
the offense in the passing game was impressive.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I was not in and Prime said it.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Coach Prime said, listen that they need to improve their
running game. I looked at some of the plays. I
looked over him again, a little bit some of the
plays that and it was interesting being in I'm here
in State.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
College and I was with some of my you know, some.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Of the old heads. Yeah, yeah, we are. Matter of fact,
you know, Q will talk about that Ques and Morgan Town,
so he's.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Going to see my dudes. Well yeah, but there were
some former players.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
And I was at a Spikes baseball game yesterday, shouts
out to the State College Spikes, And the first thing
that guys were saying, which I thought was an interesting observation,
was once they if you want to see the difference
or understand the difference between a major and a mid
like a Power five versus like a mid major, and
(09:19):
like lower levels, you'd see like plays where there be
they were taking advantage of one on one situations and
the defender would actually be close enough for it to
be a non factor play, but they were still turning
into bigger plays. And you're looking at and you're like,
see that linebacker right there, if that's if that's a
(09:42):
power five linebacker, that's a that's a catch, and that's
a tackle, And that wasn't happening in the game last evening.
There were catches, there were plays, and those linebackers or
those corners they weren't able to they were they were
in position like give give South Dakota their their props.
They were in North North North. Wow, I keep missing
(10:04):
mixing them up. They were in position to make the plays.
They were just meant they they were minting. This is
why you're here and not at a power five school.
And that was like Now that became the debate was
when you get into the bigger games and the coverages
are the coverages, and the plays are the plays.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
And Deon said it, look, you're gonna take what the
defense gives you.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
If you got linebackers that can handle the matchups and
you're able to drop it off to them and the
flares as a check a checkdown, and they're able to
make bigger plays out of that because you can't make
that tackle or you're throwing quick screens out to the
out into the the you know, the edges of the defense.
If they can't make those tackles, then you you take
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what they're going to give you. But I just think
that those were certain things that popped out and that
were being discussed. When defenses have the guys that can
match up, are they going to be able to Are
they going to have enough offense? Are they going to
have enough you know, good calls in order to be
able to have the success? And again, can the defensive
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front can can the defense as a whole can they
put can they put more pressure on the quarterback? And
can they make bigger plays you know versus you know,
stopping stopping quarterbacks from being able to run and stopping
the run altogether? Their defensive front has a lot to prove.
There was a kind of a lot left on the
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table in terms of saying, Okay, they came out, this
was a dominant performance. This guy, you know, kind of
established himself as the go to guy. That's something that
you're still going to look for out of Buffalo moving forward.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
I mean, at least they were thinking about the people.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Who had money on Colorado at the end. You know,
I'm throwing the ball like that, giving them a chance,
you know, like everyone thinking, oh this pant's over.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Then they're slinging it.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
We want we do realize Colorado call a time out
with thirty eight seconds left, right with that fourth down
like that. Like That's what I'm trying to say is
the reporters should have followed up and said, no, we
understand the first first down you got in that drive,
but you then had the opportunity, had you not thrown
on first down, to be able to have run the
(12:19):
clock out, just to see what the follow up was.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Because that's the reality of it.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
And like for all the things you just said, LeVar,
here's the truth is is this team any different from
last year?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
My answer is no.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
Offensive line was still issue, didn't have a running game,
defense struggle. Like we already know knew that Shader Sanders
was one of the top quarterbacks. We know that Travis
Hunter is one of the best players in college football.
We know Jimmy Horn Junior is one of their playmakers,
like we know they have weapons on the outside. There's
nothing that's really changed for them. They're still gonna be
(12:56):
fun to watch. They're gonna be fun to watch the
entire season because they're gonna be a dogfight and they're
gonna be able to come back in games because their
passing game and because their skilled players. Because they if
you look at Travis Hunter and Jimmy Horn Jr. Those
are two of the better players in college football. So
it doesn't matter what defenses do, what the matchups are
they're still going to get theirs. It just comes down to, like,
(13:19):
can this team help those guys out enough? And on
the point of Shador, the best thing about his game,
and this is something that I felt watching him last
year and was talked about and discussed a ton. He's accurate,
He's all the things you're looking for in a quarterback.
His poise when you talk about the ability to deliver
(13:40):
a ball while getting hit and by the way happening
time and time again, his poise is what always just
stood out to me. Most quarterbacks, when they get hit
as often as he does, they eventually start to feel
it their pocket presence, how they play throughout the course
of a game or a season.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
They start to not us that offensive.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Line, he continually hangs in there, hangs in there, and
he'll he'll wait until someone gets open. He'll wait till
someone separates, delivers a strike, take take a shot, get
right back up. I mean, it's pretty impressive to watch.
That's the one thing that you know, I think if
you look at him compared to any other quarterback in
college football, he's got that over everyone. We watched it
(14:24):
all last year and so far it looks like it's
going to be that way this year.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So if they're the same team they were last year,
but the competition's a lot stiffer this year than last year,
then the results are going to be worse than last year.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Ultimately, I don't I.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Don't think it's stiffer, you know, I think it's about
the same.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
But I think there's elements where you feel like they
they'll be able to win to me, at least six
or more games because of Shador. Like I just I
think if you if you're matching up whoever they're playing
at quarterback, you know Dylan Ryol who they play next
week as a freshman, talented player, he could go off
this year.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Baby.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
But that's a guy that I think if you're saying
who would you take right now, you take s Door Sanders.
That that quarterback matchup every single week, he's gonna have
the advantage, and there's gonna be a few times. I
mean maybe outside of Utah you might say, Okay, Cam
Rising has been playing college football for everything. He's twenty
five now, Like outside of maybe that matchup, you'd say, yeah,
(15:23):
I take Shor Sanders.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So if that's the case, they always have a punching chance.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
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Yea, you know, guys, uh, all good things? What must
come to an end? And what it's tell us? Oh no, it's.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Just oh no, singer Jonas, Oh no.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
We tracked this story the best for weeks upon weeks.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
The contract that didn't get done for.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
So got us through a lot of lean times.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Jonas irritating.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Q two No, aig.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
You know some people.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
But I guess those days.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
We're arguing about breakdancing in the Olympics is so home.
We were giving you daily updates goodbye on the drama
involving Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Talk and.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
And here we are.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
The end of the road. Oh no, it's so hard
to say goodbye.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Man.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
It is not end of the road. That's a different group.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Oh no, I mean no, same group, same group, different song,
but it applies here.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
It does because it's the end of the road for
this topic.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Okay, Brandon Ayuk four years, one hundred and twenty million
dollar extension with the Niners, seventy six million dollars guaranteed, just.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
A hell of a run.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Then I think we're going to look back on and
be like, you know what the summer of twenty twenty
four was. It wasn't an anthem, it wasn't a song.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
It was the summer a Yuk.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
It was Ayuk?
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
His deal is done and he's in San Fran for
the Four Seas? Are you kidding me? The deal is
done and he's on san Fran.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
What it's supposed to be?
Speaker 5 (19:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
The deal is done.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I'm thinking Italian mobster family, just a little distressed.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
But like East Coast, like New York? Is that sounded?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Joy was he's talking about he's using that joys. It's done.
Forget about it, forget about it?
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Are you kidding me? The deal is done? One more years.
Speaker 9 (19:50):
Now?
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Let him get him some chicken palm?
Speaker 5 (19:52):
There was a done.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
There was a little bit of a drama attached to
the contract, because of course there was, yeah, asked me.
Adam Schefter sent out a tweet saying yeah. In essence,
this was the same deal that they balked at a
couple of weeks ago. But they came back and decided
to accept the offer from the Niners, and Brandon Ayuk's
agent pushed back and said, well, that's not factually correct,
(20:15):
trying to make it seem like, well, no, we played
hardball and we ended up winning in the end.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Who knows.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Here's what I love about this too. When agents are
willing to put out something public like that, I went.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Ahead and send him a message.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
I said, oh, okay, what changed, Like, if you want
to put it out there, that's something changed, tell us, like,
helps someone else communicate your message to what changed? Because clearly,
if you look how Adam Schefter put out his tweet,
he talked about league sources, so he obviously got his
information from the forty nine ers, whereas you know that
(20:50):
the Brendon and i Yu side didn't get there like
play out their side the messaging at least based on
what Schefter reported. So you know, Ryan Williams, if you
listen like we're here to support you, and brendan Ayuk
just tell us what changed the deal and will gladly
help share your message. But this is the difference between
when you know chefter has ties to a certain agent
(21:12):
or a certain team.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
You see the.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Difference in the messaging because now this looks like a
win for San Francisco, does it not? Yes, when in
reality it's probably more of a win for a brendan
Ayuk staying in San Francisco and brought per win than
Deebo Samuel who now most likely this will be his
final year in San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
And it was pretty obvious when he was turning down
trade destinations like Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
This is where he ultimately always wanted to end up.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
And they got it done and it's a nice contract
and he gets paid and everybody's happy, and now they
focus on Trent Williams. But like the back and forth
of like yeah, but but it was on our terms, No,
we get It's like, dude, who cares the guy got paid?
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Like he got paid and it's over.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Your new money averages thirty million a year, like like,
be happy with it, be happy with where we're at,
You're who the team is gonna compete for Super Bowls.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
I mean, you gotta feed your family, man. You know,
you gotta be mindful of the fact that when you're
going for these new contracts, you just gotta make enough
money to be able to you know, you got to
keep food on the table, man.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
That's that's you.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
It just you just got to make sure that you're
keeping those things in the proper context and in the
proper perspective, because if you ain't doing it the right way, man,
you end up hungry.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Man.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
That's all I'm gonna say. Close mouths, don't get fad.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
You know what I mean far is has he got
enough to feed his family?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
You think you know, I'm gonna just say he needed
to make sure. Yes, yes, yep.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
I'm not even going to try to pontificate on it
or try to bring in any type of real intellectual
type of knowledge that the simple answer is, yeah, he
got that money.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Dog man.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
What a run we had with this though, So that's
a scratch. What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Hey, I don't included as part of that.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Look, come on, we're a team here, all right. We
all did this together.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
You can't have good without evil. You gotta have both sides.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
You can't have heads.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Without tails, you know what I mean. You was on
that coin, you, you was on that conversational coin.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
We're all doing this together.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
I don't think y'all were together. I don't think you
were technically together. Jonas, you were hits and Q was tails.
You know, he didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
You did.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
It made for interesting radio. It was very entertaining to
me first as as a very close up observer and
spectator of what was taking place.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
And now I don't get to do it anymore.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
I knew how uncomfortable this topic MADEQ, and I enjoyed it,
not because it made him uncomfort or I want to
see Q uncomfortable. It's just that it's fun listening to
him have a problem with you, and and you thinking
that it's fun him having a problem with you.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It is just entertaining.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Here's here's the real real that's.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
The real story that's coming to an end. That's that's
the real song that should be sung.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
But here's the real battle.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Like we've been doing this for so long that if
we've if either one of us gives an indication that
we're fed up with something. The other guy's going to
show it to death, like into the dirt. Oh yeah,
and that's how this is, Like, that's how this is
gonna go.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Or just don't show up at all, you know, geez.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I thought of the second song, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Or just don't deal with it. Just I'm just not
dealing with y'all at all. I'm taking a your break.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Now, y'all don't pay me enough to deal with this.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Thankfully, we do have some one left over, Jamar Chase.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Step right up. Oh no, is this going to bleed
into the season? Okay? Is this going to happen?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Because he's our only hope if we want to hold
out to bleed into the season.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Your hope, that hour your hope.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
There was a report that came out I think it
was Ian Rappaport who said that Jamar Chase wants either
the exact dollar amount of Justin Jefferson or a penny
more like that's his goal.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Whether or not he gets that goal and reaches that
goal with the Cincinnati Bengals, who the hell knows, But
that was a report that came out. Obviously, you know,
their teammates, their friends and maybe he looks at that
as an opportunity to kind of have a one up
on him. But that's at least the latest on Jamar
Chase still not practicing the team.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
I will be honest, I would know exactly how I'd
try to handle this. If I was the Bengals organization,
I would give him that. But the reality is he's
got to play this year and next year still in
his rookie deal.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
So I would.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
I would make sure that the whole new deal and
all this stuff talks about this, you know, four year
average Annuel salary of thirty five million per year, right,
and I would.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I would keep preaching that, but in.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Reality, it would really be a six year deal and
spread it over that period of time.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
And that's that's how I would get around it.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
If I was the Bengals, it would just be all
messaging all, you know, making sure my agent and I
got it, and then see if anyone actually checks out
the contract once it's filed, because that's the only way
I think they'll be able to kind of make it work.
Outside of again and talking about that infusion of cash
a private equity company could bring. If the Bengals were
looking at trying to give a big signing bonus to
(26:48):
help reduce the cap hit in the short term. But
you can go put on some Dubbie years in the
back of a contract.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
For some of these.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Contracts, you can make a look however you want, because
the truth is in two or thre three years that
contract probably will get restructured. You either have a player
who's playing as a number one wide receiver, one of
the best in the league, and he's gonna want more,
or he's gonna want you're gonna want a restructure for
cap purposes, or you're gonna be reducing it or cutting them.
(27:16):
That's just the truth of it, because typically you don't
have guarantees in a contract past two years. If you're
a quarterback, yeah, usually it would go into year three.
But for the most part, for why even wide receivers
hard to find it going into year three very very rare.
So if that's the case, you can, yeah, sign them up,
(27:38):
doesn't matter. I mean, it's funny money at some point
in the back end and end of it, especially if
it's not guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
I just wonder, with all things given, if Jamar Chase
and his representation carry this into the season, what is
is there is the impact of it positively in his favor, Like,
(28:07):
I just wonder what his representation is telling him.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
And you know, I feel like I feel like when you.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Get into contract situations, it gets uncomfortable, right, It gets
uncomfortable when you talk business amongst what you call yourself.
At least you try to convince yourself once you get
to the pros that this is about family, not about business.
It's about us being a family to win ball games
and not about it really being a business. But when
(28:35):
the business becomes a part of that, how does that uncomfortable?
You know, conversation and that feeling, How does how does
that play out? More often than not, the player isn't there,
so it's uncomfortable without it being there. Jamar Chase has
(28:56):
been there. He's walking on the practice field, he's walking
amongst his teammates. Sometimes you'll have in scenarios like this,
a teammate will come out and listen. It's not that
they're necessarily against you. It's just that they want to
win and they want to see their teammate back on
the team, especially a teammate that's good enough to be
(29:17):
in a situation where they're in a contract, you know,
situation with with the franchise. They generally may shame you
a little bit, like you need to get back in Okay,
play times over, we're getting to regular season. Okay, let's
wrap this thing up, Da dada. And usually you'll you'll
hear a few, you know, guys that kind of come
out and say, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
It'll work out, you know, and and but you need
to get back.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
You know, you need to get back into practice, you
need to get back into camp, you need to get
back with the team. He's amongst the team, and he's
walking around in street clothes, and I just wonder what's
the feeling and listen, I think I think athletes are
a lot different. I think the the approach I'm talking
about is a more old school approach, like guys that
(30:03):
were probably born, you know, in the early seventies and
in the sixties. That's probably the type of guys that
would have those things to say. Doesn't seem like that's
how guys are now. And so I would be curious
to know what is the mood of it with Jamar
(30:24):
Chase as it gets closer and closer to regular season,
what is the mood of it, especially when you have
a head coach that he's thinking it's one thing and
it wasn't that it's something totally different. He has to
come back and clean up and clear up what it
is that he thought it was and what he said.
And it just seems as though guys are on different
(30:46):
pages somewhat on where this is all supposed to end
up and where it's supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
How do you get through this? You know, how do
you get through this?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
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Speaker 2 (31:08):
We are fastly approaching the NFL season. A team that's
been discussed at nauseum are the New York Jets, and
a lot of it is about Aaron Rodgers, and a
lot of it is about Robert Sala And meanwhile, lurking
in the distance is a son Reddick who they made
a deal to acquire this offseason and their GM Joe
(31:30):
Douglas spoke about the status of a son Rettick, who
reported took his physical after being traded and then just decided, yeah,
I ain't coming unless I get a new contract here
was the Jets GM.
Speaker 11 (31:45):
I mean, in simple terms, we did we did talk
about an extension once that.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Once one wasn't agreed upon.
Speaker 11 (31:57):
You know, we had the conversation and we felt good
about about making the trade, and so you know, obviously
game here, reported had a great day here, and again
we just uh, we're just waiting his arrival. From our standpoint,
you know, we've been really clear and direct with with
(32:17):
our communication and a lot of respect for for for
the agent, a lot of respect for the player.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
And I have faith that this all give results.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, So I don't know what faith that would be.
It seems pretty clear he's not getting paid.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
It's not the same faith. This is his song reddicks though.
That's what I say. They have different different.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Faith are a faith off between faith.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
That's exactly what this is, because they ain't on the
same faith frequency.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Yeah, do you guys get the sense they're just trying
to get through this year. They know ultimately their faith,
their their faith. It's going to be one or two things.
Either they're gonna win with Rogers or it's not going
to work out and the whole thing gets blown up.
Is that is that fair to say?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yes, okay, then, but this is my big issue with
their thinking is that they don't want to set a precedent.
And we talked about this before, Like their thing is, well,
we have other players in the building. We don't want
to set a precedent that we're going to do contracts
with guys who don't show up to work. It's like, okay, well,
what about the fact that if you know he doesn't
(33:25):
show up to work, your team's not as good. And
if your team's not as good and not good enough
to make the playoffs this year, everybody's gone. So why
would you not look past whatever this roadblock is that
you have this invisible and make believe precedent that you've
set and realize if they don't produce, Douglas is gone,
Rogers is gone, Sala's gone. Who cares unless what he
(33:49):
Johnson is directing him to not operate under anything other
than don't negotiate with guys who aren't in the building.
What does it matter whether or not you set a
precedent Now, as long as you guys are maintained and
you keep your jobs for next year because you had
a good season.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Listen, listen to what you are saying, listen, listen to
what we're saying and what has been said. Let me
ask you guys this, has there been a storyline of
uh non I guess a lack of continuity or a
lack of high I guess high accomplishment or or whatever
(34:28):
it may be.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
I don't know what that is that I'm here.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
What do you mean? Oh?
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Is that what it was?
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Yeah? No, I wasn't playing. That's that's weird, j Ray, Ray,
what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (34:46):
All I'm saying is have we had any conversations about
the New York Jets where there was not any drama
connected to it?
Speaker 11 (34:53):
Like?
Speaker 6 (34:54):
How many have we had like in comparison to drama?
Speaker 7 (34:58):
Are you asking this because this is feeding into your
theory they will not be good this year.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
It's feeding into my theory that they will not be
good this year.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Wait for this season, man, I can't wait to see.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
I just have never heard have you ever heard in
your time? I'm trying to think.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I feel like that always has drug.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Dallas popped into my head.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Dallas pied the White House and all that stuff, like
when they were they had the three headed minds.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
But even now, what was the drama.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
But they don't win.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
What was the White House?
Speaker 4 (35:29):
But they don't they don't win. What do you mean
by win it all?
Speaker 5 (35:32):
What do you mean by white House?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Well, you know what I meant by the White House,
like all the girls that were in there. No, I
don't know. It was more so about drugs. Actually, what
I think I was just being funny either.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Figure.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
I figured I just deliver girls. I figured out, oh
there's one of those up top.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
Brady, did you say snow buddies? What do you what
did you say and say that? I did say snow bunnies.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I thought I heard snow buddies from there.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
No, but that's what they were saying was up in there.
Snow bunnies is the reason why I got labeled the
White House. Damn it was snowing values in there. Magical
bunnies is what they were referenced as. I would say,
that's maybe the one team that you can look at
and see. But I don't even think that they were
(36:21):
dysfunctional as an organization. They were just you know, they
was getting it in a few of the guys was
just partying really hard. I've never The point I'm making
is I've never heard of an organization that's a dysfunctional
organization and how things are done, and that every turn
there's some type of confusion or something going on that
(36:43):
that team wins. I've never heard of it, no matter
how much talent they've had or how good they are,
And dysfunction doesn't get turned around this quickly. You're not
going to write the dysfunction quickly enough for your team
to have success.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
You know, since we're on the topic, which team in
the NFL would you say.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Has the least drama? A good question because I'm like,
what teams do we not.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Talk about at all? What teams don't get brought up? Well,
I feel like, I mean Kansas City doesn't. I mean
outside of maybe like one one player here and there
that does.
Speaker 7 (37:23):
Something, there are dramas like Travis Kelcey and Taylor Swift.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
Which is not that's not you know, that's not organizational drama.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I mean after a bounty gate, squeaky clean operation.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Don't talk about him, We don't talk about them.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
I mean some of it may have to do with relevance,
I guess, but the drum, like Aaron Rodgers is in
the media all the time. He says something. It's going viral.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
He's there.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Whatever, Robert Salah has something to say, it's it's being
talked about. Hassan Reddick has become a household name off
of this. Nobody really knew who Hassan Redick was. Now
we know who Hassan Redik is.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
What do you mean good year?
Speaker 6 (38:08):
We had a good year. He's had some good years,
good years, he said. But people he wasn't a household name.
Now people know who Son Reddick is because of the
New York Jets.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
I think he won a super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Okay, I think he won. I think he won a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Good player, Okay, I mean, are you saying the Jets.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I'm saying he's not a good player.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Are you saying the Jets have poisoned the reputation of
a Son Redick?
Speaker 5 (38:31):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
I'm not saying that at all.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
I'm saying that he's in the media and his his
name is constantly circulating around because of his situation that's
playing out with the New York Jets.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
I mean, look, you know, I don't I don't think
he's unknown though. I mean, he's been the Pro Bowl
last two years.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
I don't care. He's not He's not a household.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Although I would say this if I were to ask you, guys, hey,
can you name which franchise in the end had a
quarterback where panteose and a coach with a foot fetish.
There's only one answer, and that's the New York Jets.
So to your point, there is some drama and some
stuff that always seems to reside with the Jets always.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
I don't I just don't see them.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
I just don't see how you can have success this way.
I just don't see how, and maybe I can be
proven wrong. I'm not the authority on if you're going
to have success or not. I just know in my time,
you don't see this type of dysfunction play out as
(39:37):
much as it does with an organization and they win.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
It's hard enough to win. You have all the talent
in the world.
Speaker 6 (39:46):
But it's still hard to win even with all the
talent that you have. I don't see when you have
all these distractions a team being able to focus in
on what they need to do to have a successful year.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
It does blow my mind that they traded for him,
and I don't care what he said.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I don't care if he said he'd play out the
cod whatever his agent said.
Speaker 7 (40:11):
He said, it's crazy that the team didn't think this
was a possibility. I mean, with every decision you make
of this magnitude, when you're bringing in a player like that,
I mean, you have.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
To be figuring to yourself.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
First off, why does Philly not want them?
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Right?
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Like?
Speaker 7 (40:31):
Did that ever dawn on Joe Douglas or the New
York Jets? Why are they willing to trade away Hassan
Reddick given the production that he's had, given the fact
that he's been.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
A Pro Bowl, Like, is there not something more there?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, Like if Howie Roseman's on the other end of
the phone, don't you have to take a second look?
Speaker 3 (40:48):
That's fine, But that's fine.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
But let's just think logically, why would a team want
to get rid of a guy who's been a two
time Pro bowler who's been really helpful.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
On your roster?
Speaker 7 (40:59):
Right, Like, you have to ask yourself that question and
then and then go, huh, did they know something we
don't know? Like maybe he does want a new contract,
Maybe maybe there's something else going on. There's a Jets
team that traded for him and it gave up a
young pass rusher that the Eagles found valuing. I mean,
would you be like thinking to yourself, so, what do
you guys want to return? Oh, you guys want Brice
(41:20):
uf Uh. Okay, that's odd, younger one, like you're they're
either telling you there's something going on here, either his contract.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Health wise, his age, attitude.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
Something, and yet they're willing to replace them with the
younger guys not as proven but maybe has a lot
of upside, Like, doesn't that strike you as odd?
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I just it boggles my mind.
Speaker 7 (41:42):
How Joe Douglas could make that decision and then not
think that there wasn't gonna be something on the other
side of this trade, whether it's a contract extension, maybe
something with an injury or or physical they find out
that they weren't aware of, which I mean technically would
make the trade and all if they wanted to. But
it just it does make any sense how they wouldn't
have seen this coming and then wanted to.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Address it right away.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
So we're not having a conversation about this as we
head into Week one of.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
The NFL season.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
That's the bigger point, maybe the biggest point of it all.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
You have all this on the line Joe Douglas, Robert Salah.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
Hell, even the ownership Woody Johnson, y'all have so much
at stake as it applies to the reputation. If this
doesn't work this year, what would ever give you the
inclination that this franchise can put together a team that
can win.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
If they don't win this year.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Do you think they should just have wood y'all's sell
a team?
Speaker 6 (42:46):
Then no, I mean, it wouldn't be the first time
that that would be my conclusion. It wouldn't be the
first time. There are just some people that should not
be running a sports franchise.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (43:04):
In that category, he would never need to run a franchise.
He would not need to run a franchise, not a
successful one.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
He stepped away from it, exactly exactly.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
That's the point. That's the point that I'm making. That's
the point that I'm making. All I'm saying is to
answer your question. You give the fans in the city
that the people that support the franchise, give them the
(43:41):
opportunity to have success, give them the opportunity to be
happy about where they like. I'll say this, things have changed.
So maybe business is business. It used to be like
for me, I'm saying I'm saying it like this, Right,
I'm from Pittsburgh. Generally the old days, you're from Ohio,
(44:02):
you're and your team was the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
My team was the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
Now Jonahs doesn't fall into this category because you're not
like traditional, like you like a team that's from not
where you're from, but me historical.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Mom Illinois, not near Chicago.
Speaker 6 (44:19):
Historically speaking, where you're from is the team you cheered for.
Like if you come to Pittsburgh and we whoop your ass,
that meant that I'm looking at the city that we
beat and it's like, that's what we would do to
you as a city.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
Right, That's that's what we represent.
Speaker 6 (44:40):
Like our team, our team was an extension of us.
That's where to me, that's where fandom comes from. You
want to know where I go nuts over if we
have a big hit or if we have Jerome Bettist
plowing through people and stuff, because that represents me when
I walk around, I'm a Steeler, I'm a fan. That
(45:03):
represents my mentality. It turned into the way I played
the game. It actually ultimately produces what you are.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
To me.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
It's like that's being a fan.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
So if you ask me should have should a owner
that doesn't embrace what the city represents? I don't even
know really what the like if you look at their
fan base, do we even know what their fan base represents?
And I'm sure the Jets fans would say yes. And
if the Jets fans that are saying yes to the
(45:37):
question of what do you represent? What is the identity
of your fan base? You should ultimately be able to
look at your team and say you are an extension
of your fan base and they are an extension of you.
And if you don't have ownership group that actually can
embrace that and can can bring a value to that
(45:58):
and protect that and represent that in the ultimate team sport,
let that team go, man and find somebody who at
least I don't care if you're from there, find somebody
who has the business acumen to be able to own
the team and put the people in the proper positions
that understand, we have to put a product in front
(46:20):
of our extension of us that represents them so that
our business will flourish because our captive audience are our fans.
We grow our community through wins, through representing the interests
of what our fans' interests are.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
We align that way.
Speaker 6 (46:40):
I feel like that gets lost a lot of times,
and it's decentralized in a lot of ways, but that's
what it should be. I don't feel like that's what
some of these teams represent.
Speaker 7 (46:53):
Yeah, it's well said, and I think we've come to
two conclusions. One LeVar believes what Johnson should sell to
get rid of them, to lead to Lap shouldn't run
the team.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
That's well, yes, that was yes, that's yes. I agree
with that. I support that. Would you want would you
want Lee to run the company you work for? Q?
Speaker 7 (47:17):
I mean, I think if if there's a lot of
drama on Chaos, it'd be interesting to see if you
throw Lee into the mix, if that helps or hurts it.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
That's what I'd be curious to see.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Oh boy, I'll yeah right.
Speaker 7 (47:33):
That's what I'm saying, is like, maybe it's one of
those things where like you throw Lee in the mix
and it seems like it could be more chaotic, but
maybe he calms it down.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
You could fix the New York Jets Lee, Maybe Lee could.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
I don't think it make it worse.
Speaker 7 (47:48):
Get him a white Russian and Uh, thats me, He'll
walk around there.
Speaker 6 (47:53):
The fact that lead to lap just said on national
radio that I don't think I could make it any
worse tells you everything that.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
You need to know. Oh Man, good luck New York Jets.
Good luck.
Speaker 5 (48:07):
You know what's great about this show?
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Like if you cannot handle it, stay as far away
from this crew as possible, because you are gonna get it.
Everybody's gonna get it at one point or another here
on this show.
Speaker 5 (48:22):
There's a rough crowd.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Man.
Speaker 5 (48:25):
By the way.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Also, if you want to add a little drama to
the story, maybe Woody Johnson just sell the team to Fauci.
Just see how that works out. For everything you think
Rogers will stick around. If that's the case, there's no.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Does Fouci have enough money to be able to buy it?
Speaker 5 (48:37):
I mean, you know, go through his resume. Apparently so
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