August 31, 2024 • 55 mins
This week on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, CeeDee Lamb & the Cowboys agree to a massive contract extension ending his hold out before the start of the regular season. College Football Week 1 kicks-off, highlighted by Deion Sanders and Colorado holding off North Dakota State. Plus, the weekly visit from Petros Papadakis.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with LaVar Arrington rating Win and Jonas Knox
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We we do have a breaking news, a story that
has lasted the entirety of the NFL offseason.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We know it.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
We was calling for it for this show has now
reached its conclusion, as reports are now saying that the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
LeVar, the Cowboys crusted it.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
The Cowboys and Ceedee Lamb have reached an agreement on
a four year, one hundred and thirty six million dollar contract.
It makes him the according to Adam Schefter, the second
highest paid. That's not accurate non QB and NFL history,
you know all that stuff. But nonetheless, the deal has done.
He gets thirty four million dollars a year annually. I
(00:54):
don't know why Schefter does this. I don't know why
he does this. He knows he's not gonna make as
much as Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson's new deal is a four.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Year, one hundred and forty million dollar deal, which comes
out to thirty five million per year. This deal is
a four year, one or thirty six million dollar deal,
which is thirty four million per year.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I don't know why he says this.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
I mean, it's it's almost like he's copying and pasting
immediately from the agent, like hey, put this out there,
because if you say just everyone won't believe it.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
He's got to true.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
By the way, it doesn't make it a bad deal.
I'm just saying I don't know why they get like
it's a great deal. And by the way, Ceedee Lamb
is probably right up there next to Justin Jefferson. But
I don't think anyone would make the case that Ceedee
Lamb has been better than Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Up top, Jones's up top.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Now, if you listen earlier in the show, Lebar and
I we were trying to predict how this was going
to turn out.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
What a sound like?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Do we have the sound from that?
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Well we don't need to. We could probably turn Can
we use the sound?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah we have Let's do the sound, all right, take
it away?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well, I don't know, Brady, I mean, I disagree. I
think this deal will probably get done, and it'll get
done by.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
I'll tell you what, Jonas, I think you're correct.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
What is Q talking about?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Seems like he's taking crazy pills. Ha ha.
Speaker 8 (02:15):
Well, I'll tell you what, Lamb, he's going to get
the deal done before this year.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
Guys are going.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And I think that I'm going to double down on that.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I'm going to triple down.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It'll be thirty four million dollars a year for CD Lamb.
Speaker 7 (02:29):
I think you're right, Jonas, there you go.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
You're not earlier. That's from early yeah. From you act
like your robots that you're talking.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
What is wrong? Why you mad?
Speaker 5 (02:49):
I don't know why you guys need to go to
such a legs. Would you guys get something wrong? I
really wanted to bleed into the season.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I thought he was.
Speaker 8 (02:58):
I didn't think it was will get done. I didn't
think it was gonna get done. But but you know what,
Jamar Chase, you're on the clock because I don't think
you ain't got it, because you ain't gonna get it.
So I was just gonna say I actually would make
the case Ayuke's next, because it's a clear statement that
if Ceedee Lamb wasn't gonna surpass it with that deal,
he needs to take whatever offers on the table from
(03:21):
San Francisco unless Washington now has a better chance of
signing him and give them the dots in trade and
maybe they're back involved in the mixed given the connection
to the staff.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Says that being discussed.
Speaker 8 (03:35):
Is that being tossed around like we talked about I
know we talked about it, but is that being tossed around?
Because I think that would be one hell of a
move for the Commanders to pull that off, to get
Ayyuk and to get him back with Jayden Daniels. If
people don't know they're connected through ASU when they were
both playing at Arizona State University, I think that would
(03:57):
be a tremendous move.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
That thing is when you have a front office that
knows the front office well in Washington, typically it helps
get these deals done if there's a deal to be made, right,
So so whatever the forty nine ers asking prices, and
if the Washington Commandos have that draft capital or want
to trade, you know, trade whatever it is. Maybe it's
(04:20):
player compensation, you know, that helps to get it done.
When you know John Lynch knows Adam Peters well, so
that's one thing they have going for them in order
for that to be the case. But I think if
you're Bren and Ayuk are you really going to look
at I mean, maybe you look at Washington and say, okay,
better opportunity, but are you going to replace Terry McLaurin.
He's probably still gonna be the number one receiver. So
(04:42):
if that's the case, you probably better off with where
you're at. And wasn't Deebo Samuel at one point on
the trade block or they talked about that.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I mean, if that's the case and you do sign
an extension there, I mean, you're at least gonna be
the guy for the next few years. I mean, Ricky Piersoll,
they took him back into the first realm, but he
still needs to prove himself.
Speaker 8 (05:02):
But isn't it about feeling appreciate it more than anything,
Like the fact that I think he feels undervalued and
underappreciated by the Niners. I think you would will he
take less money from somewhere.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
But that's the thing is that whatever the Steelers offer,
whatever the Steelers offered, was what caused him to go
back to the negotiation, say what they think that.
Speaker 8 (05:24):
I think that the number that the Steelers that would
have thrown out was probably more offensive than what the
Niners offer was.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It's like somebody who breaks up is like, I want
to go see what the scene's like, and they get
out for about an hour and a half, like, all right,
never mind, you want to get back together.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Let's talk.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
So I was.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Wrong, baby, I was wrong.
Speaker 8 (05:42):
Do you think the Commanders will probably be way more attractive.
I think it's more acceptable for the Commanders to make
a more aggressive offer for a guy like Brandon Ayuk
than what the stiller is that the Stellers may an
aggressive play on on Brandon Ayuk does not fit the
character of what that organization, how that franchise does what
(06:04):
they do.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
But the Commanders, on the other hand, they.
Speaker 8 (06:08):
Would they do fit that and I think that would
be a tremendous pickup for them. Now, is that better
than San fran No, If we're looking at it at
face value, San Francisco is right there at it.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
We know that they're right there, close to it. If
Brock Purdy.
Speaker 8 (06:24):
Can be the man that he's been, whether you want
to call them franchise or game manager, I don't really
care what you label them as. If he can come
out and play at the level he's played at since
he's been starting, and maybe even a little higher this
team is the team to beat. They get Trent Williams back.
(06:46):
I hear there's positivity there. Maybe I don't know, maybe
he gets it done next and we don't talk very
much about Trent Williams and his deal. I think that's
a very big piece, a major piece of the puzzle
for the San Francisco team. If they put all those
things together, they put this the bit and get into
the season. I think they're the team to beat outside
of Philadelphia in the NFC. So if I'm Brandon Aiyuk,
(07:09):
if they offer me less money, I just take the
take a one year like, play the rest of your
contract out, don't even take an extension, play your contract
out so that you can get a free agent market.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
This is it, right, this is the last one.
Speaker 8 (07:25):
Either they can well, they could tack them, and I
don't think that they're gonna put a there were seeing
a trim where they're not putting exclusive tags on guys.
So if they don't put an excuse, Taging didn't yeah
an exclusive. Yeah, that's why he's got to stay. He's
got to play on the tay. But they gave they
gave the the unrestricted to a couple of what.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
To a lot of guys. Actually most scott non exclusive
franchise to play this year out, play the last year
your deal out. Don't do any deal with anybody. Play
take the chance, bet on yourself, bet on yourself. That's
what I would say. I mean, the hard thing about
that is, let's just say if you are Brendan Ayuk
and you're not going to surpass the total value of
the contract. So you're not going past Jefferson at one
(08:08):
hundred and forty, you're not going past CD at one
hundred and thirty six. Maybe you could the signing bonus,
you know, maybe maybe you get thirty nine to forty
million up front, which would be a significant amount on
Maybe it's a little short term deal, who knows. Maybe
it's only a three year deal, maybe it is a
four year deal. However they figure it out. My only
(08:29):
point is you're not going to surpass the average annual value,
since that's the metric that we all use to equate
if you reset the market or not. But you can
find other ways of doing that, whether it's guarantees or
a signing bonus that would surpass what cde lamb just
kind of that's the case. Do it I mean, the
forty nine ers have money, so that's one way he
(08:51):
could get it done. And if that's the case, man,
it'd be really hard to play for fourteen million this year,
which I believe is his number on the fifth year option,
and then be staring looking at thirty some or forty
million and a signing bonus, dead square in the face
and somewhere around thirty million a year if that's the
number that you could be making on a you know,
(09:11):
three four year extension, like that's to me, I'm like,
I don't know. I don't think I can play this
year for fourteen million, even if there was greener passers
on the other side, having all that staring me in
the face.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So now Cede Lamb's deal is done four years, one
hundred and thirty six million, as reported earlier and predicted
by LeVar and I here on this show. But this conversation, yeah,
that's what we're talking about. But the conversation does now
turn to, all right, Dak is in line?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Is Dak going to get his deal done sometime sooner?
They just going to let this thing roll out and
he gets into the next season. And because the last
time they tried this, he went out and snapped his
leg and still got paid. So it's like they can
they can roll this thing out. But now I wonder
if this does maybe speed up the Dak conversation because
reportedly talks you know, have gone well, there was some optimism,
(10:05):
yet still no deal for Dak Prescott. So that's where
we stand on the on the Dallas Cowboys and and
your boy Michael Parsons is going to be in line
next year. There are Yeah, what's he looking for? Why
don't we just get him on and ask him, like,
what are you looking for in a contract? We just
bring him down.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
I think anybody who's looking at the highest paid player
on the defensive side of the ball, can you know
you look at their contract?
Speaker 5 (10:29):
What?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Yeah? There you go, Hey, LeVar, see if we can
get him to come on.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
I mean he's on what Central time and they're in Dallas,
so yeah, see if we'll come on the show eleven eleven.
Y'ah asked that eleven eleven? Why, well, no specific time?
And that's that's this show I'm talking about, like in
the mornings in our show. Yeah not the hurt.
Speaker 8 (10:48):
I get it, but which was perfect eleven. It's perfect
time to ask that question. It's intentional. I'm certain we
could probably get that done. Yeah, get it.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Get him to call in.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
At like what four point thirty, you know for thirty
Central Times something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, he's up and.
Speaker 8 (11:04):
Ground Micah, he's probably up. Yeah, Yeah, he's probably up.
And he's got a new one, so you know you
might be up changing a diaper. Does all right? Oh
baby boy?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Good for him. Yeah. Now do you guys want to
uh also have them on them. I will tease that.
You don't need to tease it. It is going to
be a long well you know it. Just it feels
like there's maybe some question marks going into the season
for for somebody else in the NFL. And uh, and
(11:35):
that's somebody is Deshaun Watson, a man who listened uh,
since we're just being honest here on the show, feeling
in for.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Calling here on the herd.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Uh, A guy that LeVar has defended for for months
and months and months.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Now is being uh, he's deserving of defense.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
One of the great great quarterbacks in the league, and
somebody who is going to bounce back and have a
strong compensate for now. He did not play at all
in the preseason. They made the decision to hold him
out in the final preseason. We talked about that because, look,
they had a bunch of injuries on the offensive line.
The plan was to play, and then the plan wasn't
to play. He had to rest his shoulder because of soreness,
(12:15):
and like, there's just been a lot going on this sure.
So Kevin Stefanski did speak about the decision not to
play Deshaun Watson in the preseason, but is pretty confident
that he's going to bounce back and respond when the
regular season kicks off.
Speaker 9 (12:30):
I think we've had a lot of time together as
an offense as as a teammate with his team.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
He's a winner, continues to win games for us.
Speaker 9 (12:39):
I'm excited for him with all the work that he's
put into this offseason.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
I'm excited for him.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, so he started well, hold on, wasn't there a
miscommunication or something that happened again.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
As to whether or not he was going to play
the final preseason game.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
So, like, I guess when they were asking Deshaun about that,
he kind of said, well, that's news to me, Like
that was sort of you know, thrown out there in
camp that there was a little bit of confusion as
to whether or not he was going to play in
the preseason, even though it seemed like Stefanski had made
it clear like yeah, we're aiming towards the preseason. Even
last week, you know, he said, yeah, you know, we're
(13:17):
still planning on him to play in the preseason finale,
but with all the injuries and whatnot, we're just going
to take it day by day. But that is the
plan as of right now. And then you go back
to last year and there was also the confusion about
his injury. Members Stefanski gave some messaging that made it
seem like it was what a pain tolerance thing, and
then they had to come out afterwards and say no,
it was more than that, and then the messaging got
(13:38):
changed again to well a hit he suffered the injury
in a prior game. Like it feels like there are
two different conversations that are being had in one building.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
But it can only be one this season. That's I
think that's the point.
Speaker 8 (13:56):
I think the stakes are really really high for whoever
did that contract. Stakes are high for the ownership who
did that, allowed it and they're paying it. Stakes are high. Listen,
I would even go as far as to say, even
though that money is guaranteed, if you don't want to
(14:17):
leave this game being known as someone who stole that
big bag, which some people will applaud it. I mean,
you want in a losing effort didn't matter, but if
the legacy matters to you, do you want your legacy
to just be well? I was awarded the largest guaranteed
(14:38):
contract in the history of the game, but I'd never
delivered when I went there. I would assume that you
have enough competitive nature fuel that's.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
Driving you where.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
You don't want to come out of this game and
be looked at as someone that really really totally underachieved
for what it was that they were able to make
in terms of a contract.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I think, I think the stakes are high. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I'll continually say it. I'll continually say it. They cannot
move on from Deshaun Watson until after twenty twenty six.
It's crazy. It just financially it would be crippling in
many ways. I mean, I guess tell you he's crippling
them more being on the team.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
You would use setting.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
I mean, after this year, one hundred and thirty seven
million dollars in dead cap crazy after the next year,
seventy three million dollars approximately in dead cat his agent
crushed that contract. Now again, you could, I mean, look,
maybe they could. There's nothing to restructure. It's all guaranteed already.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
They was out on the town when that deal got done.
Oh yeah, a party.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
I guess you could do a you could do a
post won designation and split that out. But that's still
after the twenty twenty five season. Like, you have two
more years of Deshaun Watson, regardless of what you think
about him as a quarterback, good, bad and different whatever,
off the whatever they think, they've got two more years
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before there's any sort of transition that they can make.
And that is all because of that contract. And so
as far as he was never going to play in
the preseason, never and especially behind an offensive line that
was banged up to by the way this training camp
in preseason, and so you know, we'll see what they.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Look like this year.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
But the hard part for Browns fans is this team,
this roster is in my opinion, probably the best in
the NFL as far as overall talent both sides of
the ball, the depth that they have as well, and
so all they need is him to go in there
and manage the thing, and they can get to the
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playoffs and potentially win a super Bowl. That's how talented
this roster is. If he's able to go in there,
stay healthy, just manage this thing, they can win a
super Bowl. That is not hyperboble, and it's not Jim
Schwartz did an unbelievable job with that defense last year.
You know, the offense, I think, you know, look, Chub's
(17:24):
gonna start on the pup list, but they still showcase
the ability to run the football despite not having him
last year. When he comes back, that's going to give
this offense some extra juice. So I just look at him.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I say.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
People could say whatever they want, it doesn't matter. He's
gonna be there for at least the next two seasons.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
It's just wild to think that the question mark for
the Cleveland Browns isn't the roster. It's the guy that
gave two hundred and thirty million dollars guarantees. He's just
got to hope he accepts the challenge. Man, So accept
the challenge.
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Speaker 2 (18:47):
And it is a Wednesday, which means it's time for
one of the favorite traditions on this show for many
people out there, as we get a visit from our guy,
the old p Petro's Pop Vegas, the co host of
the Petros Money Show, which you can hear on the
Blowtorch and five seven e l a Sports Fox college
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football analyst and our good friend Pete. What's happening that good.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Cigal early in the morning. That's great?
Speaker 7 (19:19):
And Lady Saw, Yes, Lady Saw sound like Petra.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Lady Patra.
Speaker 11 (19:26):
Although famous in our day, LeVar nowhere near is impactful
the dancehall world as a Lady Saw. The Lady Saw
is no longer Lady Saw. She she had no she's
born again. Yeah, mother, mother, No, she doesn't use Saw
at all anymore. She just goes by her name Marion.
(19:47):
I forget her last name. But anyway, she's become uh yeah,
she's become born again and she still performs, but mostly gospel,
and she's hat now that she got rid of the
slackness lyrics, which are you know, sexual lyrics and stuff
like that. She does not Marion Hall, that's her name.
(20:09):
She can't get a visa anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Oh wait, because Marion Hall, who does like that?
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I don't know what kind of music that is?
Speaker 11 (20:18):
What Marion Hall? Yeah, well there could be two, you know,
it's a big war then, but Marion Hall, Lady Saw
It really is probably the most famous female dance hall
performer of all time, no doubt. Used her on a song.
Steven Sagall used her on a song. A lot of
rappers have used her and stuff like Marion hill is
(20:40):
who I was thinking of that. That is like a
seven or eight yard out, like over the head of
the receiver.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Overthrow.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
That's the you know, hey, first series, get up there.
That's that's the thing you say as a quarterback, Petrooss
do you ever hear the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
They used to go?
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I hope you can bring I think at last moment,
and I'm very tired yours pick up he's got.
Speaker 11 (21:08):
You guys know what Patton goes, well, you guys do,
but that the listeners, Patten go is like a way
to you know, warm up in football.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
The only way I got on the field after the
walk through.
Speaker 11 (21:18):
Uh, you do the thing where the quarterback pats the
ball and everybody just kind of runs, you know, a
little route quarterbacks arm warm up. If the dude threw
it too far, I just stop and turn around. I
wouldn't even go get it.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Oh you were one of those guys.
Speaker 11 (21:31):
If the dude was all juiced up and like four
string quarterback like Pat and go like it's.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Like all right.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
At laser show, I remember remember when that soldier boy
tell him or whatever wherever that however, that song went yeah, yeah,
yeah that song. Were they like the Superman all yeah,
that song. It's single handedly ruined the pattent Go line
(21:56):
in Cleveland, Like I'll never forget that song coming on.
And not one skill player, not one paid attention to
anything that was happening in pat and Go and it
would just started dancing and doing the Superman or whatever
that was, And I was like, what is happening?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Is this is this normal in the NFL? Is how
this goes?
Speaker 11 (22:16):
I had an epiphany like that at USC where there
was the John Robinson had there was this chick named
Jamie and she wore like a holster, like for guns,
but instead of the of a gun, instead of a
gun and the holster, it was the air horn, you know,
to blow the horn and the horn you know, in
practice it indicates that you know you're changing periods or
(22:40):
if you get the three toots, practice is over and
everybody wants practice to be over. There's nothing football players
hate more than football practice. And I remember John Robinson
would go.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
And oh and then the guy started doing like uh.
Speaker 11 (23:03):
They had like a song which was Jake me blowing
a horn and Jamie and it was very distracting. He
couldn't get any work here at the end of practice
with the blow the horn.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Chaps, wait, hold lot of that, by the way, that
John Robinson might be up there with one of your
best ever.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Oh yeah, my j rob is probably my best.
Speaker 11 (23:24):
But you know, not as significant as a coach anymore
as he used to be. But yeah, John Robinson, and
he really used to like point at her like almost
like very cinematically. And I might have seen Jamie doing
more than blowing a horn once in.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
The dab and I was I was shocked.
Speaker 11 (23:46):
I was absolutely young, a young, impressional white tail back,
and I was shocked.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
We got some sound for you. I know. I'm sure
Jonas was going to do it.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
No, I was you was going. I didn't want to
piss you off. P I just want to for the record.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
This is my idea.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
We've been teasing it, sorry to Petros, and I just
want to I want us to have enough time for
you to discuss it and talk about it.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
It's close close. Oh I wish it was.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
I saw that clip Petros and I almost called you
that was I was.
Speaker 11 (24:23):
Just look I had like a thousand plus people there
and Jeanie's sitting there and then you know, Jeanie's like
a baby seal, like she's not that comfortable being interviewed,
but she does our show once a year because we
go way way back, and doesn't care about the criticism
and she.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Knows about it.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
And you guys are close to j Moore, so like
all makes sense.
Speaker 11 (24:40):
I don't know Jmore that well, but but there might
be some other people involved in the show that do.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
But she uh we mentioned Brownie James like early and
and and people were like oo, like people were booing.
Speaker 11 (24:56):
I was like, get through the next seven minutes of
this interview and get this woman on her way.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
But go ahead and play the sound.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
Okay, we want it because it this has to do
with Bronnie, but kind of sort of indirectly because it's
lebron talking about Go ahead right now, you let it go.
Speaker 12 (25:16):
You cannot call me Dad in the workplace, all right.
Once we once we leave out of the private facility
and the gates close, I could be Dad.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Again in the car.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
If we ride together at home, I could be Dad.
Speaker 12 (25:28):
No, he gotta call me like two three, or Bron
okay or you know, go if you want.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
To, that's up to him.
Speaker 13 (25:36):
I mean, I just would you ever call him goat?
Would you call him goat James?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
No? I you know, I'm from a different air.
Speaker 11 (25:49):
I still think Michael Jordan's the greatest basketball player of
all time. But it can't be it can't be denied
that Lebron James is not maybe the most magnificant athlete
of his generation, without a doubt, probably is unless you
factor in all the soccer stuff. He really is a marvel.
(26:10):
He's gonna be forty and he's still performing at a
great level.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
What it takes to run the.
Speaker 11 (26:17):
Lebron James industry, the way they fire people, move people around,
deny it all, manipulate the media. That kind of stuff
is unsavory to me, and I'm never gonna be cool
with it.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
But you can't deny his greatness as an athlete. I mean, he's.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Really certainly wasn't denying it in that No, well, he never.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Well when he said what was it?
Speaker 11 (26:41):
He said that the block on the Voyeurs made him
the greatest player of all time.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (26:46):
From that moment on, he's been a full on self propagandist,
which is whatever. That's fine. I mean, I guess it's fine.
I mean Genie Buss said it to us. She considers
him a bargain. They make a lot of money off
Lebron James than that means wins and losses. I mean,
they don't compete for championships, which is what the Lakers
people thought that.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
That's what the Lakers were all about.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Petros Petros in season, in season champs last year.
Speaker 11 (27:13):
So you're right, I'm sorry they raised that manner. But
I mean, honestly, guys, it's we got a game this week,
you know.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I mean, but I'm worried about it.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
So you're not you're not bothered by two three or
Bron or.
Speaker 11 (27:25):
Goat well, we're in the two three week comfort zone
of Genie Bus came on the show.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
So I'm being nice for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 14 (27:33):
It's a cycle, guys, It's been going on for like decades.
I'm not I'm not as offended by it. Look, the
whole thing's going to be insufferable.
Speaker 11 (27:45):
The thing was inside you knew it was going to
be insufferable and hard to swallow. When they picked the kid,
you knew it was going to be a gas lighting anthem.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
That's and so we're just we're right on track. That
can't wait for media day.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I'm curious because we've talked about there not being a
preseason in college football. When you were playing, did you
ever felt like feel like you were ready to go
week one or was it like, yeah, help, this goes well?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Well.
Speaker 11 (28:16):
The camps we used to have were so horrible and
so intense and so without regulation and rules that by
the time week one came, you were ready to rip
the head off your opponents, swinging around like a hammer,
throw into the stands. That being said, you would worry
about losing steam, you know, mid October, And that's usually
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what would happen to some of our teams when I
played for Paul Hackett, because we would literally have three
days and forty play run drills and just absolute death
march of a camp, and you'd come out in week
one and just physically eat somebody alive because you're so
pissed off.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (28:58):
But then maybe your team starts to run out of
gas and injuries catch up. It's not a perfect balance,
but football is so much preparation, so much installment, so
much glacial pace in the offseason to get ready just
for one game.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
So yeah, you feel ready.
Speaker 11 (29:18):
I mean, and if you're not, you don't even know
the difference, because you think you're ready. You think your
team is awesome, you think everybody's in great shape, you
think everybody's ready to go. Whether that's the case or not,
it's hard to say. Sometimes you get out on the
field and you know two or three guys are that
used to be standing right next to you are now
laying down like Private Ryan, and you're.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Like, oh my god.
Speaker 11 (29:41):
Yeah, but yeah, you always feel you always feel rotily
anxious to play the first game because you're tired of
playing against your own guys. You're tired of rooting against
your defense, rooting against your offense so to speak, in
practice and really really having deep hatred for those people.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Is there a party that feels like, I mean, when
you watch the NFL preseason and go, it would be
nice to have like a warm up or something. And
do you look at the college football schedule and do
you just give you know, teams like for example, Penn State,
West Virginia, we're going to be there this weekend. Do
you give them more credit for scheduling a more difficult
Week one right out the game.
Speaker 11 (30:22):
Always do because that's what makes week one exciting. Like
I have Arizona State Wyoming, which is kind of an
afterthought of a game, but Wyoming won, you won, No,
they won nine games last year and Arizona State lost nine,
and of course they're reloaded and deeper. And I think
Kenny Dillingham's a really really interesting and impactful name in
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college football, and he's got some tough circumstances there. But
I like that game because it feels like it's going
to be competitive, right. I mean, when somebody throws out
Abilene Christian in Week one, everybody's just going through the
motions to stroke the other team in the broadcast and
it's a celebration of that in a showcase. I'd much
rather see youself yourself tested in Week one. LSU USC
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is going to be interesting. You know, in West Virginia
is a much improved team with a speedy quarterback and
green and a coach that saved his job, Neil Neil
Brown last year took over the play calling.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
So I like that.
Speaker 11 (31:21):
I prefer that that was generally what happened when I
was at USC. We played Penn State or Purdue or
somebody like that. In the opener, very rarely a team
that we were favored to win by thirty or something
like that. To me, that's a little bit better because
it gives you a measuring stick. But and with the
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new playoff, I don't think anybody really knows how it's
going to shake out.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
That's the thing.
Speaker 11 (31:48):
Everybody's acting like they have it all figured out this
year and they know what it's going to be like,
But nobody really knows what it's going to be like
at all, because we've never done anything like this before,
not to this magnitude.
Speaker 8 (31:59):
You think your squad can beat LSU, that's a big win.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
If they can get out to gate NB.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I mean, yeah, yeah, I'm not in this realm where
it's like.
Speaker 11 (32:07):
Oh my god, USC screwed. You know, they have a
new defensive staff. I'm very interested to see if USC
wins that game. It's not going to be because they
scored fifty points, although if they do, they might win.
I think if they win the game, guessing about the team,
it'll be because they're much improved physically upfront. You can't
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just run the ball all over them like you've been
able to the last decade or so, since two thousand
and six two thousand and eight, USC has been really
susceptible to that. So if LSU, I mean, and LSU's
given up what like two thousand yards rushing the last
couple of years, they haven't stopped the run very.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Well either, they're not optimistic.
Speaker 11 (32:50):
I don't know. I don't but that's the thing that's like,
I don't know at all. I mean, LSU's got a
lot of different guys, but most people just say it's
an SEC team. US is soft, they've been saw and
LSU is going to run over them.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
That's what I mean, that's what you said.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
That happens, though, what will your reaction be?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Not surprised?
Speaker 11 (33:11):
But like, if somebody's going to run the football on you,
they're going to do it in week three or they're
going to do it in week one, Like, let's figure
it out, right, US he's got an all new defensive staff.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
You guys are in a different conference.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Well, yeah, you know what.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I'm saying, running that they run.
Speaker 11 (33:30):
And I understand what I'm saying is if USC is
going to be giving up a lot of run running
yards this year, it's either going to happen in week one,
Week five, week eight, you should know what your susceptibility
is early. And they've hired all new people to stop
that kind of bleeding, so, uh, we'll know. I don't know.
(33:51):
I mean, I really don't know. I mean last year
they just weren't big enough and obviously didn't have a
great defensive scheme. They had to fire everybody all Lincoln
He's best friends. Yeah, and Miller Moss is going to
be the starter, and Lincoln Riley's going to be calling
place with more of a Baker Mayfield type of guy,
or not as much of an improvisational.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Quarterback, I should say.
Speaker 11 (34:15):
Uh, so that'll be very different and maybe a little
bit more consistent.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
For the offense.
Speaker 11 (34:21):
But as far as having a real gauge on what's
going to happen in the game, I don't think us
he's going to get blown off the field. But then again,
Brian Kelly, I mean, what does he won nine to
ten games is last two years?
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Family ain't done winning yet.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah, and yet though he has adopted quite a southern.
Speaker 8 (34:39):
Uh uh, that's right, they got some games left in
them that they need still win.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Him and his family, is.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
He the winning most winning coach in the history of
Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
He is, he has more wins.
Speaker 11 (34:53):
I can't believe they let him beat a new Rockney's record.
Before that they.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
To fire him would.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
Holtz.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Then they didn't get rid of it.
Speaker 11 (35:07):
But I thought they would get rid of him before.
I mean, I thought that that record. They were never
going to let a coach eclipse that record. But they
let Brian Kelly eclipse in and then he left him
at the altar.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Well, that's the one way of putting it. I mean,
I think there's a lot more details behind the story.
It's actually funny, you know, that Lincoln Riley effect is
ultimately how it all came around. It was LSU who
was originally looking at Lincoln Riley, right, That's how once
and once that fell through, the USC position came open,
and USC was maybe inquiring about Brian Kelly's interest about
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coming out to be head coach, and he wasn't going
to do that. But once Lincoln Riley it was interested
in USC and LSU was looking for a head coach
and then opened up the opportunity for I don't know,
maybe they're both wrapped by the same agent, and maybe
it both kind of worked out where Lincoln Riley goes
to the us SEE and Brian Kelly goes to LSU.
Speaker 11 (36:02):
Yeah, but before that, I mean, it just shocks me
that they ever let him get that far. I never
I never was winning ten. I never thought Notre Dame
would let a guy beat that record. I always thought
that they'd find a way to retire him or get
rid of him.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I'm not kidding to me.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
He'd been into a national championship game and then two
college football playoffs, playing some drugs in his car figuring
out you know what I mean.
Speaker 11 (36:29):
I literally thought, I literally thought that they would find
like they they'd put him in, They'd dip him in
a lake, you know, or.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Something, get a trash bag full of methods like the
Dairy Queen when you get the sofy.
Speaker 11 (36:43):
New Rockney was like a national hero as a football coach.
Speaker 9 (36:46):
I mean, try to explain to people. People understand, he
literally built the stadium there. He was poor, He was
poor general contractor. Like people don't understand that their lengths
of the house. That Rockney Bill was not purely about
the success that he had on the field. It literally
had to do with his vision.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
For creating a football only stadium, which was not the
norm back then. That's why you always had those tracks
around the football stadium was because usually it was a
shared space. And his vision was to make football have
a venue like that where people would come, and he
built it.
Speaker 11 (37:19):
Now Kansas had a track up until a couple of
years ago. But yeah, Newt Rockney's legend and legacy and
the myth of it all.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
He had the Horsemen, didn't.
Speaker 15 (37:31):
He did the Horseman, the four Horsemen, Yeah, where they
coached by him. I thought, here, it's quite possible. I
know mister inside and mister Outside were army.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
I know that.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
But Newt Rockney had like.
Speaker 11 (37:47):
Radio shows about him, like TV specials about his life,
like you can't imagine, like Nick Saban stardom is a
flickering night light compared to the way people used to
look at new Rockney in the way Notre Dame revers him.
And I was just surprised they'd ever let anybody beat
that record. And then Brian Kelly beat that record, and
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some shisty agent helped him get down to Cajun country
like Southern Comfort.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
That movie Petros, You're on Wyoming Arizona State this weekend?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I Am ten FS one.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
By the way, Yeah, they were the horseman. Yeah, they
were go go go finish the plug.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Well no, just ten thirty Eastern Times.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Revelation, you know, the horsemen of the Apotmas.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
No, jeez, I think that was the opening ceremony for
the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Yeah. Ah, what I mean, too much? Too many times?
And berries out there for you.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Where are you going with those belt berries?
Speaker 14 (38:45):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
No, just let everybody know. Ten thirty Eastern Times, seven
thirty Pacific FS one on Saturday, Wyoming, Chris Meyer State. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
there you go.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I could because I care.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Tell me about tell me about cigal here. What's he
looking for a Yeah, what is he looking for here?
Looking for to wind? Yes, he want them to wind it.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Of course he is, uh petro, So we appreciate it
again at the old p on x is where you
can find him. And yes, he'll be on the call. Wyoming,
Arizona State. Ten thirty Eastern Times, Saturday night on FS one.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
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College football is back.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, and it put on a show last night.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Now should we start with Colorado and Prime and that
whole scene.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
I mean that's the headline, right.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah, of course it is. Everybody's going to.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Watch because Shador is fun as hell to watch man
and Travis Hunter is fun as hell to watch. I
just hope those guys make it through healthy.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
It's all I'm wondering.
Speaker 8 (40:06):
If one of them goes down, and I don't know that.
I mean Horn hornballed out to Horn Horn Junior, Horn Junior. Yeah, yeah,
Jimmy Horn, Jimmy Orton j Yeah, and he balled out too.
But uh, I guess, I guess you always can. We
can always give props to where the props are doing.
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And the stars showed up for Colorado in that game.
But I still think the concerns of last year are
still some of the concerns of this year.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
All Right.
Speaker 8 (40:37):
The quarterback for for uh North Dakota had too much
time at times, he was too elusive for the defense.
I say that was was an issue. They were able
to make plays when they needed to make plays against
Colorado's defense. I just think the biggest storyline in that
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game coming out of that game is one if Shador.
If Shador can do what he did in this opening game,
which you assume them taking a tougher opponent, even though
it's not a big, big opponent. As a tougher opponent,
they did take on a competitive opponent. First games are
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going to be difficult. But if Shador and Travis Hunter
and Horn, if they can deliver that way, this team
should be in pretty much every game that they play in.
They need a running game. They definitely need to find
their running game because that's going to be something that's
important in the Big twelve. And their defense has to
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be better. I mean, that was those were my takeaways
from the game.
Speaker 16 (41:52):
Well, I'll say this quickly. They will always have a
shot because of Shador Sanders. I mean, I'll continue to
keep saying this. The quarterback position at the college level
will always give your team a chance, and he's one
of the best in college football. We kind of talked
about this. I don't know if it was earlier this
week or maybe last week, but it'll be Carson Beck.
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It'll be him, and maybe there'll be some others that
we talk about. In regards to the top of the
first round. But you know that's the type of talent
he is, and Travis Hunter and Jimmy Horn Junior, and
I fear that the players too on their roster are
good enough of the skill possession to help them win
some football games.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
But as you're basically touching on.
Speaker 16 (42:34):
Is this team hasn't really changed a ton from last year.
It's a team that's built off of Shador Sanders carrying
them and then being able to do enough.
Speaker 6 (42:47):
Defensively to win a game.
Speaker 16 (42:50):
And that was a game where I think every single
weakness you saw in Colorado last year is still there
to protect times wasn't great. I mean that was North
Dakota State. It's not Nebraska. Who they play next week.
North Dakota State and great, that's a really good program
at that level. But they're gonna be in it for
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a big time challenge if the offensive line doesn't improve,
and on the outside, Nebraska will be able to match
up better. Nebraska should be able to take away certain
pieces of of that offense.
Speaker 6 (43:25):
So all the things you touched on they're.
Speaker 16 (43:26):
Gonna have to do if they want to continue continue
to keep building momentum, because that's the one thing I'd
say that's so big in college football is momentum, and
you see it throughout games. You know, I really thought
Colorado in the fourth quarter started to take away the momentum.
But the thing that stood out too, that's a bit
of an issue, is what the hell were they doing
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throwing on first intent? No kidding, they could have kneeled
the ball three times the game was over, and North
Dakota State when you had a shot at the very end.
I mean, it's those sorts of decisions that we could
talk about the glitz, the glamour and what of the program,
and then there's just talking ball and you leave people
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scratching their heads going why do they do that? They
literally had the game in hand. They never had to
punt the ball back. That's the sort of thing that
maybe maybe North Dakota State won't beat you, some of
will beat you if you give them another opportunity like that,
if they're able to handle it better. So you know, look,
Colorado is going to be a team that's ball eligible.
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I think they'll win more than six games, but if
they really want to be one of the top the
Big twelve, they've got to do a better job coaching.
They got some help. I thought from the refs for
some no calls. At the end of the game, they
spotted the ball and the clock was stop at fifteen seconds.
Speaker 6 (44:52):
The ref then picks it up to move it back.
Speaker 16 (44:54):
It takes another six seconds off the clock from North
Dakota State then to snap the ball.
Speaker 6 (44:59):
And spike it.
Speaker 16 (45:00):
It was one of the most egregious things I've seen
that official do. I bucked up a bunch of other miscalls,
So there's a lot of things that helped cal ride
or get that wee last night. At the end, it
doesn't matter, but they did some big time to prove
it from week one to week two.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Dione Sanders spoke afterwards about the decision to throw on
that final drive.
Speaker 17 (45:20):
I mean, you got to understand you got to take
what people give you. You can't take what you want
and it's not there.
Speaker 6 (45:26):
I mean, what is it?
Speaker 4 (45:27):
What do you throw for four yards?
Speaker 6 (45:30):
You think we upset?
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Right?
Speaker 6 (45:32):
Who upset?
Speaker 4 (45:33):
Yoh?
Speaker 6 (45:34):
They't ever run a game?
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Well, the passing game look pretty darn good today.
Speaker 17 (45:37):
So let let's let's be appreciative and thankful that we
got one of the premier guys in college football spending it.
We're gonna run the ball we're gonna do that. We're
gonna have a lot more battles. Today was just that
type of day. You gotta take what they give you.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
But in that situation like tune us up. Do you
want to run the clock down, you won't.
Speaker 17 (45:54):
For no, no, you won't first downs right if you
want to run a clock down.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
They got a five man box.
Speaker 7 (45:59):
I mean they got five down.
Speaker 17 (46:01):
Like you got to look at there and say, Okay,
I got one on one right here. I haven't seen
one on one whole game. So I gotta do what
I gotta do. That move the change, and that's what
that is.
Speaker 8 (46:11):
Well, I mean, I'll let you have that cute. I mean,
I understand what he's saying. I do understand like getting
a first down the game is over.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
But uh, I'll let you have a Q. I'll let
you have it.
Speaker 16 (46:25):
I mean, it's just it's math. It's it's not complicated,
it's math. I mean they could have ran the clock out.
Everyone understands the objective, but you still could have ran
the clock out given their lack of timeout to give
it where you had the football.
Speaker 8 (46:40):
Yeah, I mean if your reasoning is is five man down,
because you know they're going to there in Victory's formation.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
Yeah, and that's that's That's what I'll say.
Speaker 8 (46:55):
And he's right, he spends it and then Q you
you mentioned it door Shador spins the ball. I mean
he can he can play.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
He can also run too, right, He's all right that running.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
I mean he can he can buy himself some time.
Speaker 8 (47:09):
I mean, the one thing that really stood out to me,
that really jumped out at me about Shador Sanders is
that he's he was delivering. He was delivering some beautiful
balls under some serious duress, like he was getting hit.
Like a couple of the big plays he made during
this game, he was getting hit at the same time
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he was releasing the ball.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
He looks bigger, doesn't he.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
He bulked up, right, He looks a little bigger a
little bit. Yeah. I mean, I thought they were impressive.
I thought the.
Speaker 8 (47:40):
Offense in the passing game was impressive. I was not
in in Prime City. Coach Prime said, listen, they need
to improve their running game. I looked at some of
the plays. I looked over him again a little bit,
some of the plays that and it was interesting being
in I'm here in State College and I was with
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some of my you know some of the old heads. Yeah, yeah,
we are, matter of fact, you know Q We'll talk
about that, qes and Morgan Town.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
So he's going to see my dudes. Well yeah, but
there were some former players.
Speaker 8 (48:15):
And I was at a Spikes baseball game yesterday, Uh
shouts out to the state college Spikes. And the first
thing that guys were saying, which I thought was an
interesting observation, was once they if you want to see
the difference or understand the difference between a major and
a mid like a Power five versus like a mid major,
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and like lower levels, you'd see like plays where there'd
be they were taking advantage of one on one situations
and the defender would actually be close enough for it
to be a non factor play, but they were still
turning into bigger plays. And you're looking at and you're like,
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see that linebacker right there, if that's if that's a
power five linebacker, that's a that's a catch, and that's
a tackle. And that wasn't happening in the game last evening.
There were catches, there were plays, and those linebackers or
those corners they weren't able to they were they were
in position like give give South Dakota. Their their props.
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They were in North North Wow, I keep miss mixing
them up. They were in position to make the plays.
They were just meant they they were minting. This is
why you're here and not at a Power five school.
And that was like now that became the debate was
when you get into the bigger games and the coverages
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are the coverages and the plays are the plays.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
And Deon said it, Look, you're gonna take what the
defense gives you.
Speaker 8 (49:48):
If you got linebackers that can handle the matchups and
you're able to drop it off to them and the
flares as a check a checkdown, and they're able to
make bigger plays out of that because you can't make
that tackle or you're throwing quick screens out to the
out into the the you know, the edges of the defense.
If they can't make those tackles, then you you take
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what they're going to give you. But I just think
that those were certain things that popped out and that
were being discussed. When defenses have the guys that can
match up, are they going to be able to are
they going to have enough offense? Are they going to
have enough you know, good calls in order to be
able to have the success and again, can the defensive
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front can can the defense as a whole can they
put can they put more pressure on the quarterback? And
can they make bigger plays you know versus you know,
stopping stopping quarterbacks from being able to run and stopping
the run altogether.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
Their defensive front has a lot to prove.
Speaker 8 (50:53):
There was a kind of a lot left on the
table in terms of saying, Okay, they came out, this
was a dominant per formance. This guy, you know, kind
of established hisself as the go to guy. That's something
that you're still going to look for out of Buffalo
moving forward.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
I mean, at least they were thinking about the people
who had money on Colorado at the end. You know,
I'm throwing the ball like that, giving him a chance,
you know, like everyone thinking, oh, this pant's over, and
then they're slinging it.
Speaker 16 (51:19):
We do realize Colorado call a time out with thirty
eight seconds left, right with that.
Speaker 6 (51:24):
Fourth down like that.
Speaker 16 (51:25):
Like That's what I'm trying to say is the reporter
should have followed up and said, no, we understand the
first first down you got in that drive, but you
then had the opportunity had you not thrown on first
down to be able to have run the clock out
just to see what the follow up was, because that's
the reality of it. And like for all the things
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you just said, LeVar, here's the truth is.
Speaker 6 (51:49):
Is this team any different from last year? My answer
is no.
Speaker 16 (51:55):
Offensive line was still issued, didn't have a running game,
defense struggle. We already knew that Shadu or Sanders was
one of the top quarterbacks. We know that Travis Hunter
is one of the best players in college football. We
know Jimmy Horn Junior is one of their playmakers. Like
we know they have weapons on the outside. There is
nothing that's really changed for them. They're still gonna be
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fun to watch. They're gonna be fun to watch the
entire season because they're gonna be in dogfights and they're
gonna be able to come back in games because of
their passing game and because their skilled players. Because they
if you look at Travis Hunter and Jimmy Horn Jr.
Those are two of the better players in college football.
So it doesn't matter you know, what defenses do, what
the matchups are, They're still gonna get theirs. It just
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comes down to, like, can this team help those guys
out enough and on the point of Shador. The best
thing about his game, and this is something that I
felt watching him last year and was talked about and
discussed a ton. He's accurate, He's all the things you're
looking for in a quarterback. His poise when you talk
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about the ability to liver a ball while getting hit
and by the way happening time and time again, his
poise is what always just stood out to me.
Speaker 6 (53:08):
Most quarterbacks, when they get hit as.
Speaker 16 (53:10):
Often as he does, they eventually start to feel it
their pocket presence, how they played throughout the course of
a game or a season. They start to not trust
that offensive line. He continually hangs in there, hangs in there,
and he'll wait until someone gets open, will wait un
till someone separates, delivers a strike, take a shot, get
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right back up. I mean, it's pretty impressive to watch.
That's the one thing that you know, I think if
you look at him compared to any other quarterback in
college football, he's got that over everyone. We watched it
all last year and so far it looks like it's
going to be that way this year.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
So if they're the same team they were last year,
but the competition's a lot stiffer this year than last year,
then the results are going to be worse than last year.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
Ultimately, I don't think it's stiffer, you know.
Speaker 6 (53:59):
I think it's about the same.
Speaker 16 (54:01):
But I think there's elements where you feel like they'll
be able to win to me, at least six or
more games because of Shador. Like I just I think
if you're matching up whoever they're playing at quarterback, you
know Dylan Ryol who they're playing next week as a freshman,
talented player, he could go off this year maybe, But
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that's a guy that I think if you're saying who
would you take right now, you take Shador Sanders that
quarterback matchup. Every single week, he's gonna have the advantage,
and there's gonna be few times. I mean maybe outside
of Utah you might say, Okay, Cam Rising has been
playing college football for everything. He's twenty five now, Like
outside of maybe that matchup, you'd say, yeah, I take
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Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (54:45):
So if that's the case, they always have a punching chance.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe. Here
on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox
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This is important to us, and we hope it's also
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Speaker 3 (55:41):
Like we all wait to come on.
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Edit guard see here we go.
Speaker 8 (55:44):
Friday night is on my Friday.
Speaker 4 (55:49):
Yeah, football Friday
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We we do have a breaking news, a story that
has lasted the entirety of the NFL offseason.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We know it.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
We was calling for it for this show has now
reached its conclusion, as reports are now saying that the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
LeVar, the Cowboys crusted it.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
The Cowboys and Ceedee Lamb have reached an agreement on
a four year, one hundred and thirty six million dollar contract.
It makes him the according to Adam Schefter, the second
highest paid. That's not accurate non QB and NFL history,
you know all that stuff. But nonetheless, the deal has done.
He gets thirty four million dollars a year annually. I
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don't know why Schefter does this. I don't know why
he does this. He knows he's not gonna make as
much as Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson's new deal is a four.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Year, one hundred and forty million dollar deal, which comes
out to thirty five million per year. This deal is
a four year, one or thirty six million dollar deal,
which is thirty four million per year.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I don't know why he says this.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
I mean, it's it's almost like he's copying and pasting
immediately from the agent, like hey, put this out there,
because if you say just everyone won't believe it.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
He's got to true.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
By the way, it doesn't make it a bad deal.
I'm just saying I don't know why they get like
it's a great deal. And by the way, Ceedee Lamb
is probably right up there next to Justin Jefferson. But
I don't think anyone would make the case that Ceedee
Lamb has been better than Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Up top, Jones's up top.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Now, if you listen earlier in the show, Lebar and
I we were trying to predict how this was going
to turn out.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
What a sound like?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Do we have the sound from that?
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Well we don't need to. We could probably turn Can
we use the sound?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah we have Let's do the sound, all right, take
it away?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well, I don't know, Brady, I mean, I disagree. I
think this deal will probably get done, and it'll get
done by.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
I'll tell you what, Jonas, I think you're correct.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
What is Q talking about?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Seems like he's taking crazy pills. Ha ha.
Speaker 8 (02:15):
Well, I'll tell you what, Lamb, he's going to get
the deal done before this year.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
Guys are going.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And I think that I'm going to double down on that.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I'm going to triple down.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It'll be thirty four million dollars a year for CD Lamb.
Speaker 7 (02:29):
I think you're right, Jonas, there you go.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
You're not earlier. That's from early yeah. From you act
like your robots that you're talking.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
What is wrong? Why you mad?
Speaker 5 (02:49):
I don't know why you guys need to go to
such a legs. Would you guys get something wrong? I
really wanted to bleed into the season.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I thought he was.
Speaker 8 (02:58):
I didn't think it was will get done. I didn't
think it was gonna get done. But but you know what,
Jamar Chase, you're on the clock because I don't think
you ain't got it, because you ain't gonna get it.
So I was just gonna say I actually would make
the case Ayuke's next, because it's a clear statement that
if Ceedee Lamb wasn't gonna surpass it with that deal,
he needs to take whatever offers on the table from
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San Francisco unless Washington now has a better chance of
signing him and give them the dots in trade and
maybe they're back involved in the mixed given the connection
to the staff.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Says that being discussed.
Speaker 8 (03:35):
Is that being tossed around like we talked about I
know we talked about it, but is that being tossed around?
Because I think that would be one hell of a
move for the Commanders to pull that off, to get
Ayyuk and to get him back with Jayden Daniels. If
people don't know they're connected through ASU when they were
both playing at Arizona State University, I think that would
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be a tremendous move.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
That thing is when you have a front office that
knows the front office well in Washington, typically it helps
get these deals done if there's a deal to be made, right,
So so whatever the forty nine ers asking prices, and
if the Washington Commandos have that draft capital or want
to trade, you know, trade whatever it is. Maybe it's
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player compensation, you know, that helps to get it done.
When you know John Lynch knows Adam Peters well, so
that's one thing they have going for them in order
for that to be the case. But I think if
you're Bren and Ayuk are you really going to look
at I mean, maybe you look at Washington and say, okay,
better opportunity, but are you going to replace Terry McLaurin.
He's probably still gonna be the number one receiver. So
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if that's the case, you probably better off with where
you're at. And wasn't Deebo Samuel at one point on
the trade block or they talked about that.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I mean, if that's the case and you do sign
an extension there, I mean, you're at least gonna be
the guy for the next few years. I mean, Ricky Piersoll,
they took him back into the first realm, but he
still needs to prove himself.
Speaker 8 (05:02):
But isn't it about feeling appreciate it more than anything,
Like the fact that I think he feels undervalued and
underappreciated by the Niners. I think you would will he
take less money from somewhere.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
But that's the thing is that whatever the Steelers offer,
whatever the Steelers offered, was what caused him to go
back to the negotiation, say what they think that.
Speaker 8 (05:24):
I think that the number that the Steelers that would
have thrown out was probably more offensive than what the
Niners offer was.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It's like somebody who breaks up is like, I want
to go see what the scene's like, and they get
out for about an hour and a half, like, all right,
never mind, you want to get back together.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Let's talk.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
So I was.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Wrong, baby, I was wrong.
Speaker 8 (05:42):
Do you think the Commanders will probably be way more attractive.
I think it's more acceptable for the Commanders to make
a more aggressive offer for a guy like Brandon Ayuk
than what the stiller is that the Stellers may an
aggressive play on on Brandon Ayuk does not fit the
character of what that organization, how that franchise does what
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they do.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
But the Commanders, on the other hand, they.
Speaker 8 (06:08):
Would they do fit that and I think that would
be a tremendous pickup for them. Now, is that better
than San fran No, If we're looking at it at
face value, San Francisco is right there at it.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
We know that they're right there, close to it. If
Brock Purdy.
Speaker 8 (06:24):
Can be the man that he's been, whether you want
to call them franchise or game manager, I don't really
care what you label them as. If he can come
out and play at the level he's played at since
he's been starting, and maybe even a little higher this
team is the team to beat. They get Trent Williams back.
(06:46):
I hear there's positivity there. Maybe I don't know, maybe
he gets it done next and we don't talk very
much about Trent Williams and his deal. I think that's
a very big piece, a major piece of the puzzle
for the San Francisco team. If they put all those
things together, they put this the bit and get into
the season. I think they're the team to beat outside
of Philadelphia in the NFC. So if I'm Brandon Aiyuk,
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if they offer me less money, I just take the
take a one year like, play the rest of your
contract out, don't even take an extension, play your contract
out so that you can get a free agent market.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
This is it, right, this is the last one.
Speaker 8 (07:25):
Either they can well, they could tack them, and I
don't think that they're gonna put a there were seeing
a trim where they're not putting exclusive tags on guys.
So if they don't put an excuse, Taging didn't yeah
an exclusive. Yeah, that's why he's got to stay. He's
got to play on the tay. But they gave they
gave the the unrestricted to a couple of what.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
To a lot of guys. Actually most scott non exclusive
franchise to play this year out, play the last year
your deal out. Don't do any deal with anybody. Play
take the chance, bet on yourself, bet on yourself. That's
what I would say. I mean, the hard thing about
that is, let's just say if you are Brendan Ayuk
and you're not going to surpass the total value of
the contract. So you're not going past Jefferson at one
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hundred and forty, you're not going past CD at one
hundred and thirty six. Maybe you could the signing bonus,
you know, maybe maybe you get thirty nine to forty
million up front, which would be a significant amount on
Maybe it's a little short term deal, who knows. Maybe
it's only a three year deal, maybe it is a
four year deal. However they figure it out. My only
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point is you're not going to surpass the average annual value,
since that's the metric that we all use to equate
if you reset the market or not. But you can
find other ways of doing that, whether it's guarantees or
a signing bonus that would surpass what cde lamb just
kind of that's the case. Do it I mean, the
forty nine ers have money, so that's one way he
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could get it done. And if that's the case, man,
it'd be really hard to play for fourteen million this year,
which I believe is his number on the fifth year option,
and then be staring looking at thirty some or forty
million and a signing bonus, dead square in the face
and somewhere around thirty million a year if that's the
number that you could be making on a you know,
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three four year extension, like that's to me, I'm like,
I don't know. I don't think I can play this
year for fourteen million, even if there was greener passers
on the other side, having all that staring me in
the face.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So now Cede Lamb's deal is done four years, one
hundred and thirty six million, as reported earlier and predicted
by LeVar and I here on this show. But this conversation, yeah,
that's what we're talking about. But the conversation does now
turn to, all right, Dak is in line?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Is Dak going to get his deal done sometime sooner?
They just going to let this thing roll out and
he gets into the next season. And because the last
time they tried this, he went out and snapped his
leg and still got paid. So it's like they can
they can roll this thing out. But now I wonder
if this does maybe speed up the Dak conversation because
reportedly talks you know, have gone well, there was some optimism,
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yet still no deal for Dak Prescott. So that's where
we stand on the on the Dallas Cowboys and and
your boy Michael Parsons is going to be in line
next year. There are Yeah, what's he looking for? Why
don't we just get him on and ask him, like,
what are you looking for in a contract? We just
bring him down.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
I think anybody who's looking at the highest paid player
on the defensive side of the ball, can you know
you look at their contract?
Speaker 5 (10:29):
What?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Yeah? There you go, Hey, LeVar, see if we can
get him to come on.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
I mean he's on what Central time and they're in Dallas,
so yeah, see if we'll come on the show eleven eleven.
Y'ah asked that eleven eleven? Why, well, no specific time?
And that's that's this show I'm talking about, like in
the mornings in our show. Yeah not the hurt.
Speaker 8 (10:48):
I get it, but which was perfect eleven. It's perfect
time to ask that question. It's intentional. I'm certain we
could probably get that done. Yeah, get it.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Get him to call in.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
At like what four point thirty, you know for thirty
Central Times something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, he's up and.
Speaker 8 (11:04):
Ground Micah, he's probably up. Yeah, Yeah, he's probably up.
And he's got a new one, so you know you
might be up changing a diaper. Does all right? Oh
baby boy?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Good for him. Yeah. Now do you guys want to
uh also have them on them. I will tease that.
You don't need to tease it. It is going to
be a long well you know it. Just it feels
like there's maybe some question marks going into the season
for for somebody else in the NFL. And uh, and
(11:35):
that's somebody is Deshaun Watson, a man who listened uh,
since we're just being honest here on the show, feeling
in for.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Calling here on the herd.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Uh, A guy that LeVar has defended for for months
and months and months.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Now is being uh, he's deserving of defense.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
One of the great great quarterbacks in the league, and
somebody who is going to bounce back and have a
strong compensate for now. He did not play at all
in the preseason. They made the decision to hold him
out in the final preseason. We talked about that because, look,
they had a bunch of injuries on the offensive line.
The plan was to play, and then the plan wasn't
to play. He had to rest his shoulder because of soreness,
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and like, there's just been a lot going on this sure.
So Kevin Stefanski did speak about the decision not to
play Deshaun Watson in the preseason, but is pretty confident
that he's going to bounce back and respond when the
regular season kicks off.
Speaker 9 (12:30):
I think we've had a lot of time together as
an offense as as a teammate with his team.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
He's a winner, continues to win games for us.
Speaker 9 (12:39):
I'm excited for him with all the work that he's
put into this offseason.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
I'm excited for him.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, so he started well, hold on, wasn't there a
miscommunication or something that happened again.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
As to whether or not he was going to play
the final preseason game.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
So, like, I guess when they were asking Deshaun about that,
he kind of said, well, that's news to me, Like
that was sort of you know, thrown out there in
camp that there was a little bit of confusion as
to whether or not he was going to play in
the preseason, even though it seemed like Stefanski had made
it clear like yeah, we're aiming towards the preseason. Even
last week, you know, he said, yeah, you know, we're
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still planning on him to play in the preseason finale,
but with all the injuries and whatnot, we're just going
to take it day by day. But that is the
plan as of right now. And then you go back
to last year and there was also the confusion about
his injury. Members Stefanski gave some messaging that made it
seem like it was what a pain tolerance thing, and
then they had to come out afterwards and say no,
it was more than that, and then the messaging got
(13:38):
changed again to well a hit he suffered the injury
in a prior game. Like it feels like there are
two different conversations that are being had in one building.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
But it can only be one this season. That's I
think that's the point.
Speaker 8 (13:56):
I think the stakes are really really high for whoever
did that contract. Stakes are high for the ownership who
did that, allowed it and they're paying it. Stakes are high. Listen,
I would even go as far as to say, even
though that money is guaranteed, if you don't want to
(14:17):
leave this game being known as someone who stole that
big bag, which some people will applaud it. I mean,
you want in a losing effort didn't matter, but if
the legacy matters to you, do you want your legacy
to just be well? I was awarded the largest guaranteed
(14:38):
contract in the history of the game, but I'd never
delivered when I went there. I would assume that you
have enough competitive nature fuel that's.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
Driving you where.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
You don't want to come out of this game and
be looked at as someone that really really totally underachieved
for what it was that they were able to make
in terms of a contract.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I think, I think the stakes are high. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I'll continually say it. I'll continually say it. They cannot
move on from Deshaun Watson until after twenty twenty six.
It's crazy. It just financially it would be crippling in
many ways. I mean, I guess tell you he's crippling
them more being on the team.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
You would use setting.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
I mean, after this year, one hundred and thirty seven
million dollars in dead cap crazy after the next year,
seventy three million dollars approximately in dead cat his agent
crushed that contract. Now again, you could, I mean, look,
maybe they could. There's nothing to restructure. It's all guaranteed already.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
They was out on the town when that deal got done.
Oh yeah, a party.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
I guess you could do a you could do a
post won designation and split that out. But that's still
after the twenty twenty five season. Like, you have two
more years of Deshaun Watson, regardless of what you think
about him as a quarterback, good, bad and different whatever,
off the whatever they think, they've got two more years
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before there's any sort of transition that they can make.
And that is all because of that contract. And so
as far as he was never going to play in
the preseason, never and especially behind an offensive line that
was banged up to by the way this training camp
in preseason, and so you know, we'll see what they.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Look like this year.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
But the hard part for Browns fans is this team,
this roster is in my opinion, probably the best in
the NFL as far as overall talent both sides of
the ball, the depth that they have as well, and
so all they need is him to go in there
and manage the thing, and they can get to the
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playoffs and potentially win a super Bowl. That's how talented
this roster is. If he's able to go in there,
stay healthy, just manage this thing, they can win a
super Bowl. That is not hyperboble, and it's not Jim
Schwartz did an unbelievable job with that defense last year.
You know, the offense, I think, you know, look, Chub's
(17:24):
gonna start on the pup list, but they still showcase
the ability to run the football despite not having him
last year. When he comes back, that's going to give
this offense some extra juice. So I just look at him.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I say.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
People could say whatever they want, it doesn't matter. He's
gonna be there for at least the next two seasons.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
It's just wild to think that the question mark for
the Cleveland Browns isn't the roster. It's the guy that
gave two hundred and thirty million dollars guarantees. He's just
got to hope he accepts the challenge. Man, So accept
the challenge.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
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Speaker 10 (18:12):
As everybody knows, we're the hosts of the award winning
Polly and Toni Foodsco Show. Yeah, but instead of us
telling you how great we are, here's how Dan Fackrick
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Quick, knowledgeable and funny, opinionated.
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You don't interrupting our promo.
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Let me put this into context.
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Speaker 2 (18:47):
And it is a Wednesday, which means it's time for
one of the favorite traditions on this show for many
people out there, as we get a visit from our guy,
the old p Petro's Pop Vegas, the co host of
the Petros Money Show, which you can hear on the
Blowtorch and five seven e l a Sports Fox college
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football analyst and our good friend Pete. What's happening that good.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Cigal early in the morning. That's great?
Speaker 7 (19:19):
And Lady Saw, Yes, Lady Saw sound like Petra.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Lady Patra.
Speaker 11 (19:26):
Although famous in our day, LeVar nowhere near is impactful
the dancehall world as a Lady Saw. The Lady Saw
is no longer Lady Saw. She she had no she's
born again. Yeah, mother, mother, No, she doesn't use Saw
at all anymore. She just goes by her name Marion.
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I forget her last name. But anyway, she's become uh yeah,
she's become born again and she still performs, but mostly gospel,
and she's hat now that she got rid of the
slackness lyrics, which are you know, sexual lyrics and stuff
like that. She does not Marion Hall, that's her name.
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She can't get a visa anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Oh wait, because Marion Hall, who does like that?
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I don't know what kind of music that is?
Speaker 11 (20:18):
What Marion Hall? Yeah, well there could be two, you know,
it's a big war then, but Marion Hall, Lady Saw
It really is probably the most famous female dance hall
performer of all time, no doubt. Used her on a song.
Steven Sagall used her on a song. A lot of
rappers have used her and stuff like Marion hill is
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who I was thinking of that. That is like a
seven or eight yard out, like over the head of
the receiver.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Overthrow.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
That's the you know, hey, first series, get up there.
That's that's the thing you say as a quarterback, Petrooss
do you ever hear the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
They used to go?
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I hope you can bring I think at last moment,
and I'm very tired yours pick up he's got.
Speaker 11 (21:08):
You guys know what Patton goes, well, you guys do,
but that the listeners, Patten go is like a way
to you know, warm up in football.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
The only way I got on the field after the
walk through.
Speaker 11 (21:18):
Uh, you do the thing where the quarterback pats the
ball and everybody just kind of runs, you know, a
little route quarterbacks arm warm up. If the dude threw
it too far, I just stop and turn around. I
wouldn't even go get it.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Oh you were one of those guys.
Speaker 11 (21:31):
If the dude was all juiced up and like four
string quarterback like Pat and go like it's.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Like all right.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
At laser show, I remember remember when that soldier boy
tell him or whatever wherever that however, that song went yeah, yeah,
yeah that song. Were they like the Superman all yeah,
that song. It's single handedly ruined the pattent Go line
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in Cleveland, Like I'll never forget that song coming on.
And not one skill player, not one paid attention to
anything that was happening in pat and Go and it
would just started dancing and doing the Superman or whatever
that was, And I was like, what is happening?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Is this is this normal in the NFL? Is how
this goes?
Speaker 11 (22:16):
I had an epiphany like that at USC where there
was the John Robinson had there was this chick named
Jamie and she wore like a holster, like for guns,
but instead of the of a gun, instead of a
gun and the holster, it was the air horn, you know,
to blow the horn and the horn you know, in
practice it indicates that you know you're changing periods or
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if you get the three toots, practice is over and
everybody wants practice to be over. There's nothing football players
hate more than football practice. And I remember John Robinson
would go.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
And oh and then the guy started doing like uh.
Speaker 11 (23:03):
They had like a song which was Jake me blowing
a horn and Jamie and it was very distracting. He
couldn't get any work here at the end of practice
with the blow the horn.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Chaps, wait, hold lot of that, by the way, that
John Robinson might be up there with one of your
best ever.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Oh yeah, my j rob is probably my best.
Speaker 11 (23:24):
But you know, not as significant as a coach anymore
as he used to be. But yeah, John Robinson, and
he really used to like point at her like almost
like very cinematically. And I might have seen Jamie doing
more than blowing a horn once in.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
The dab and I was I was shocked.
Speaker 11 (23:46):
I was absolutely young, a young, impressional white tail back,
and I was shocked.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
We got some sound for you. I know. I'm sure
Jonas was going to do it.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
No, I was you was going. I didn't want to
piss you off. P I just want to for the record.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
This is my idea.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
We've been teasing it, sorry to Petros, and I just
want to I want us to have enough time for
you to discuss it and talk about it.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
It's close close. Oh I wish it was.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
I saw that clip Petros and I almost called you
that was I was.
Speaker 11 (24:23):
Just look I had like a thousand plus people there
and Jeanie's sitting there and then you know, Jeanie's like
a baby seal, like she's not that comfortable being interviewed,
but she does our show once a year because we
go way way back, and doesn't care about the criticism
and she.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Knows about it.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
And you guys are close to j Moore, so like
all makes sense.
Speaker 11 (24:40):
I don't know Jmore that well, but but there might
be some other people involved in the show that do.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
But she uh we mentioned Brownie James like early and
and and people were like oo, like people were booing.
Speaker 11 (24:56):
I was like, get through the next seven minutes of
this interview and get this woman on her way.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
But go ahead and play the sound.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
Okay, we want it because it this has to do
with Bronnie, but kind of sort of indirectly because it's
lebron talking about Go ahead right now, you let it go.
Speaker 12 (25:16):
You cannot call me Dad in the workplace, all right.
Once we once we leave out of the private facility
and the gates close, I could be Dad.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Again in the car.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
If we ride together at home, I could be Dad.
Speaker 12 (25:28):
No, he gotta call me like two three, or Bron
okay or you know, go if you want.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
To, that's up to him.
Speaker 13 (25:36):
I mean, I just would you ever call him goat?
Would you call him goat James?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
No? I you know, I'm from a different air.
Speaker 11 (25:49):
I still think Michael Jordan's the greatest basketball player of
all time. But it can't be it can't be denied
that Lebron James is not maybe the most magnificant athlete
of his generation, without a doubt, probably is unless you
factor in all the soccer stuff. He really is a marvel.
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He's gonna be forty and he's still performing at a
great level.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
What it takes to run the.
Speaker 11 (26:17):
Lebron James industry, the way they fire people, move people around,
deny it all, manipulate the media. That kind of stuff
is unsavory to me, and I'm never gonna be cool
with it.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
But you can't deny his greatness as an athlete. I mean, he's.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Really certainly wasn't denying it in that No, well, he never.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Well when he said what was it?
Speaker 11 (26:41):
He said that the block on the Voyeurs made him
the greatest player of all time.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (26:46):
From that moment on, he's been a full on self propagandist,
which is whatever. That's fine. I mean, I guess it's fine.
I mean Genie Buss said it to us. She considers
him a bargain. They make a lot of money off
Lebron James than that means wins and losses. I mean,
they don't compete for championships, which is what the Lakers
people thought that.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
That's what the Lakers were all about.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Petros Petros in season, in season champs last year.
Speaker 11 (27:13):
So you're right, I'm sorry they raised that manner. But
I mean, honestly, guys, it's we got a game this week,
you know.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I mean, but I'm worried about it.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
So you're not you're not bothered by two three or
Bron or.
Speaker 11 (27:25):
Goat well, we're in the two three week comfort zone
of Genie Bus came on the show.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
So I'm being nice for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 14 (27:33):
It's a cycle, guys, It's been going on for like decades.
I'm not I'm not as offended by it. Look, the
whole thing's going to be insufferable.
Speaker 11 (27:45):
The thing was inside you knew it was going to
be insufferable and hard to swallow. When they picked the kid,
you knew it was going to be a gas lighting anthem.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
That's and so we're just we're right on track. That
can't wait for media day.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I'm curious because we've talked about there not being a
preseason in college football. When you were playing, did you
ever felt like feel like you were ready to go
week one or was it like, yeah, help, this goes well?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Well.
Speaker 11 (28:16):
The camps we used to have were so horrible and
so intense and so without regulation and rules that by
the time week one came, you were ready to rip
the head off your opponents, swinging around like a hammer,
throw into the stands. That being said, you would worry
about losing steam, you know, mid October, And that's usually
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what would happen to some of our teams when I
played for Paul Hackett, because we would literally have three
days and forty play run drills and just absolute death
march of a camp, and you'd come out in week
one and just physically eat somebody alive because you're so
pissed off.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (28:58):
But then maybe your team starts to run out of
gas and injuries catch up. It's not a perfect balance,
but football is so much preparation, so much installment, so
much glacial pace in the offseason to get ready just
for one game.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
So yeah, you feel ready.
Speaker 11 (29:18):
I mean, and if you're not, you don't even know
the difference, because you think you're ready. You think your
team is awesome, you think everybody's in great shape, you
think everybody's ready to go. Whether that's the case or not,
it's hard to say. Sometimes you get out on the
field and you know two or three guys are that
used to be standing right next to you are now
laying down like Private Ryan, and you're.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Like, oh my god.
Speaker 11 (29:41):
Yeah, but yeah, you always feel you always feel rotily
anxious to play the first game because you're tired of
playing against your own guys. You're tired of rooting against
your defense, rooting against your offense so to speak, in
practice and really really having deep hatred for those people.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Is there a party that feels like, I mean, when
you watch the NFL preseason and go, it would be
nice to have like a warm up or something. And
do you look at the college football schedule and do
you just give you know, teams like for example, Penn State,
West Virginia, we're going to be there this weekend. Do
you give them more credit for scheduling a more difficult
Week one right out the game.
Speaker 11 (30:22):
Always do because that's what makes week one exciting. Like
I have Arizona State Wyoming, which is kind of an
afterthought of a game, but Wyoming won, you won, No,
they won nine games last year and Arizona State lost nine,
and of course they're reloaded and deeper. And I think
Kenny Dillingham's a really really interesting and impactful name in
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college football, and he's got some tough circumstances there. But
I like that game because it feels like it's going
to be competitive, right. I mean, when somebody throws out
Abilene Christian in Week one, everybody's just going through the
motions to stroke the other team in the broadcast and
it's a celebration of that in a showcase. I'd much
rather see youself yourself tested in Week one. LSU USC
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is going to be interesting. You know, in West Virginia
is a much improved team with a speedy quarterback and
green and a coach that saved his job, Neil Neil
Brown last year took over the play calling.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
So I like that.
Speaker 11 (31:21):
I prefer that that was generally what happened when I
was at USC. We played Penn State or Purdue or
somebody like that. In the opener, very rarely a team
that we were favored to win by thirty or something
like that. To me, that's a little bit better because
it gives you a measuring stick. But and with the
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new playoff, I don't think anybody really knows how it's
going to shake out.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
That's the thing.
Speaker 11 (31:48):
Everybody's acting like they have it all figured out this
year and they know what it's going to be like,
But nobody really knows what it's going to be like
at all, because we've never done anything like this before,
not to this magnitude.
Speaker 8 (31:59):
You think your squad can beat LSU, that's a big win.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
If they can get out to gate NB.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I mean, yeah, yeah, I'm not in this realm where
it's like.
Speaker 11 (32:07):
Oh my god, USC screwed. You know, they have a
new defensive staff. I'm very interested to see if USC
wins that game. It's not going to be because they
scored fifty points, although if they do, they might win.
I think if they win the game, guessing about the team,
it'll be because they're much improved physically upfront. You can't
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just run the ball all over them like you've been
able to the last decade or so, since two thousand
and six two thousand and eight, USC has been really
susceptible to that. So if LSU, I mean, and LSU's
given up what like two thousand yards rushing the last
couple of years, they haven't stopped the run very.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Well either, they're not optimistic.
Speaker 11 (32:50):
I don't know. I don't but that's the thing that's like,
I don't know at all. I mean, LSU's got a
lot of different guys, but most people just say it's
an SEC team. US is soft, they've been saw and
LSU is going to run over them.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
That's what I mean, that's what you said.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
That happens, though, what will your reaction be?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Not surprised?
Speaker 11 (33:11):
But like, if somebody's going to run the football on you,
they're going to do it in week three or they're
going to do it in week one, Like, let's figure
it out, right, US he's got an all new defensive staff.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
You guys are in a different conference.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Well, yeah, you know what.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I'm saying, running that they run.
Speaker 11 (33:30):
And I understand what I'm saying is if USC is
going to be giving up a lot of run running
yards this year, it's either going to happen in week one,
Week five, week eight, you should know what your susceptibility
is early. And they've hired all new people to stop
that kind of bleeding, so, uh, we'll know. I don't know.
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I mean, I really don't know. I mean last year
they just weren't big enough and obviously didn't have a
great defensive scheme. They had to fire everybody all Lincoln
He's best friends. Yeah, and Miller Moss is going to
be the starter, and Lincoln Riley's going to be calling
place with more of a Baker Mayfield type of guy,
or not as much of an improvisational.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Quarterback, I should say.
Speaker 11 (34:15):
Uh, so that'll be very different and maybe a little
bit more consistent.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
For the offense.
Speaker 11 (34:21):
But as far as having a real gauge on what's
going to happen in the game, I don't think us
he's going to get blown off the field. But then again,
Brian Kelly, I mean, what does he won nine to
ten games is last two years?
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Family ain't done winning yet.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah, and yet though he has adopted quite a southern.
Speaker 8 (34:39):
Uh uh, that's right, they got some games left in
them that they need still win.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Him and his family, is.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
He the winning most winning coach in the history of
Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
He is, he has more wins.
Speaker 11 (34:53):
I can't believe they let him beat a new Rockney's record.
Before that they.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
To fire him would.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
Holtz.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Then they didn't get rid of it.
Speaker 11 (35:07):
But I thought they would get rid of him before.
I mean, I thought that that record. They were never
going to let a coach eclipse that record. But they
let Brian Kelly eclipse in and then he left him
at the altar.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Well, that's the one way of putting it. I mean,
I think there's a lot more details behind the story.
It's actually funny, you know, that Lincoln Riley effect is
ultimately how it all came around. It was LSU who
was originally looking at Lincoln Riley, right, That's how once
and once that fell through, the USC position came open,
and USC was maybe inquiring about Brian Kelly's interest about
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coming out to be head coach, and he wasn't going
to do that. But once Lincoln Riley it was interested
in USC and LSU was looking for a head coach
and then opened up the opportunity for I don't know,
maybe they're both wrapped by the same agent, and maybe
it both kind of worked out where Lincoln Riley goes
to the us SEE and Brian Kelly goes to LSU.
Speaker 11 (36:02):
Yeah, but before that, I mean, it just shocks me
that they ever let him get that far. I never
I never was winning ten. I never thought Notre Dame
would let a guy beat that record. I always thought
that they'd find a way to retire him or get
rid of him.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I'm not kidding to me.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
He'd been into a national championship game and then two
college football playoffs, playing some drugs in his car figuring
out you know what I mean.
Speaker 11 (36:29):
I literally thought, I literally thought that they would find
like they they'd put him in, They'd dip him in
a lake, you know, or.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Something, get a trash bag full of methods like the
Dairy Queen when you get the sofy.
Speaker 11 (36:43):
New Rockney was like a national hero as a football coach.
Speaker 9 (36:46):
I mean, try to explain to people. People understand, he
literally built the stadium there. He was poor, He was
poor general contractor. Like people don't understand that their lengths
of the house. That Rockney Bill was not purely about
the success that he had on the field. It literally
had to do with his vision.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
For creating a football only stadium, which was not the
norm back then. That's why you always had those tracks
around the football stadium was because usually it was a
shared space. And his vision was to make football have
a venue like that where people would come, and he
built it.
Speaker 11 (37:19):
Now Kansas had a track up until a couple of
years ago. But yeah, Newt Rockney's legend and legacy and
the myth of it all.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
He had the Horsemen, didn't.
Speaker 15 (37:31):
He did the Horseman, the four Horsemen, Yeah, where they
coached by him. I thought, here, it's quite possible. I
know mister inside and mister Outside were army.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
I know that.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
But Newt Rockney had like.
Speaker 11 (37:47):
Radio shows about him, like TV specials about his life,
like you can't imagine, like Nick Saban stardom is a
flickering night light compared to the way people used to
look at new Rockney in the way Notre Dame revers him.
And I was just surprised they'd ever let anybody beat
that record. And then Brian Kelly beat that record, and
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some shisty agent helped him get down to Cajun country
like Southern Comfort.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
That movie Petros, You're on Wyoming Arizona State this weekend?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I Am ten FS one.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
By the way, Yeah, they were the horseman. Yeah, they
were go go go finish the plug.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Well no, just ten thirty Eastern Times.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Revelation, you know, the horsemen of the Apotmas.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
No, jeez, I think that was the opening ceremony for
the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Yeah. Ah, what I mean, too much? Too many times?
And berries out there for you.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Where are you going with those belt berries?
Speaker 14 (38:45):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
No, just let everybody know. Ten thirty Eastern Times, seven
thirty Pacific FS one on Saturday, Wyoming, Chris Meyer State. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
there you go.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I could because I care.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Tell me about tell me about cigal here. What's he
looking for a Yeah, what is he looking for here?
Looking for to wind? Yes, he want them to wind it.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Of course he is, uh petro, So we appreciate it
again at the old p on x is where you
can find him. And yes, he'll be on the call. Wyoming,
Arizona State. Ten thirty Eastern Times, Saturday night on FS one.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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College football is back.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, and it put on a show last night.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Now should we start with Colorado and Prime and that
whole scene.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
I mean that's the headline, right.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah, of course it is. Everybody's going to.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Watch because Shador is fun as hell to watch man
and Travis Hunter is fun as hell to watch. I
just hope those guys make it through healthy.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
It's all I'm wondering.
Speaker 8 (40:06):
If one of them goes down, and I don't know that.
I mean Horn hornballed out to Horn Horn Junior, Horn Junior. Yeah, yeah,
Jimmy Horn, Jimmy Orton j Yeah, and he balled out too.
But uh, I guess, I guess you always can. We
can always give props to where the props are doing.
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And the stars showed up for Colorado in that game.
But I still think the concerns of last year are
still some of the concerns of this year.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
All Right.
Speaker 8 (40:37):
The quarterback for for uh North Dakota had too much
time at times, he was too elusive for the defense.
I say that was was an issue. They were able
to make plays when they needed to make plays against
Colorado's defense. I just think the biggest storyline in that
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game coming out of that game is one if Shador.
If Shador can do what he did in this opening game,
which you assume them taking a tougher opponent, even though
it's not a big, big opponent. As a tougher opponent,
they did take on a competitive opponent. First games are
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going to be difficult. But if Shador and Travis Hunter
and Horn, if they can deliver that way, this team
should be in pretty much every game that they play in.
They need a running game. They definitely need to find
their running game because that's going to be something that's
important in the Big twelve. And their defense has to
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be better. I mean, that was those were my takeaways
from the game.
Speaker 16 (41:52):
Well, I'll say this quickly. They will always have a
shot because of Shador Sanders. I mean, I'll continue to
keep saying this. The quarterback position at the college level
will always give your team a chance, and he's one
of the best in college football. We kind of talked
about this. I don't know if it was earlier this
week or maybe last week, but it'll be Carson Beck.
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It'll be him, and maybe there'll be some others that
we talk about. In regards to the top of the
first round. But you know that's the type of talent
he is, and Travis Hunter and Jimmy Horn Junior, and
I fear that the players too on their roster are
good enough of the skill possession to help them win
some football games.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
But as you're basically touching on.
Speaker 16 (42:34):
Is this team hasn't really changed a ton from last year.
It's a team that's built off of Shador Sanders carrying
them and then being able to do enough.
Speaker 6 (42:47):
Defensively to win a game.
Speaker 16 (42:50):
And that was a game where I think every single
weakness you saw in Colorado last year is still there
to protect times wasn't great. I mean that was North
Dakota State. It's not Nebraska. Who they play next week.
North Dakota State and great, that's a really good program
at that level. But they're gonna be in it for
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a big time challenge if the offensive line doesn't improve,
and on the outside, Nebraska will be able to match
up better. Nebraska should be able to take away certain
pieces of of that offense.
Speaker 6 (43:25):
So all the things you touched on they're.
Speaker 16 (43:26):
Gonna have to do if they want to continue continue
to keep building momentum, because that's the one thing I'd
say that's so big in college football is momentum, and
you see it throughout games. You know, I really thought
Colorado in the fourth quarter started to take away the momentum.
But the thing that stood out too, that's a bit
of an issue, is what the hell were they doing
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throwing on first intent? No kidding, they could have kneeled
the ball three times the game was over, and North
Dakota State when you had a shot at the very end.
I mean, it's those sorts of decisions that we could
talk about the glitz, the glamour and what of the program,
and then there's just talking ball and you leave people
(44:12):
scratching their heads going why do they do that? They
literally had the game in hand. They never had to
punt the ball back. That's the sort of thing that
maybe maybe North Dakota State won't beat you, some of
will beat you if you give them another opportunity like that,
if they're able to handle it better. So you know, look,
Colorado is going to be a team that's ball eligible.
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I think they'll win more than six games, but if
they really want to be one of the top the
Big twelve, they've got to do a better job coaching.
They got some help. I thought from the refs for
some no calls. At the end of the game, they
spotted the ball and the clock was stop at fifteen seconds.
Speaker 6 (44:52):
The ref then picks it up to move it back.
Speaker 16 (44:54):
It takes another six seconds off the clock from North
Dakota State then to snap the ball.
Speaker 6 (44:59):
And spike it.
Speaker 16 (45:00):
It was one of the most egregious things I've seen
that official do. I bucked up a bunch of other miscalls,
So there's a lot of things that helped cal ride
or get that wee last night. At the end, it
doesn't matter, but they did some big time to prove
it from week one to week two.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Dione Sanders spoke afterwards about the decision to throw on
that final drive.
Speaker 17 (45:20):
I mean, you got to understand you got to take
what people give you. You can't take what you want
and it's not there.
Speaker 6 (45:26):
I mean, what is it?
Speaker 4 (45:27):
What do you throw for four yards?
Speaker 6 (45:30):
You think we upset?
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Right?
Speaker 6 (45:32):
Who upset?
Speaker 4 (45:33):
Yoh?
Speaker 6 (45:34):
They't ever run a game?
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Well, the passing game look pretty darn good today.
Speaker 17 (45:37):
So let let's let's be appreciative and thankful that we
got one of the premier guys in college football spending it.
We're gonna run the ball we're gonna do that. We're
gonna have a lot more battles. Today was just that
type of day. You gotta take what they give you.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
But in that situation like tune us up. Do you
want to run the clock down, you won't.
Speaker 17 (45:54):
For no, no, you won't first downs right if you
want to run a clock down.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
They got a five man box.
Speaker 7 (45:59):
I mean they got five down.
Speaker 17 (46:01):
Like you got to look at there and say, Okay,
I got one on one right here. I haven't seen
one on one whole game. So I gotta do what
I gotta do. That move the change, and that's what
that is.
Speaker 8 (46:11):
Well, I mean, I'll let you have that cute. I mean,
I understand what he's saying. I do understand like getting
a first down the game is over.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
But uh, I'll let you have a Q. I'll let
you have it.
Speaker 16 (46:25):
I mean, it's just it's math. It's it's not complicated,
it's math. I mean they could have ran the clock out.
Everyone understands the objective, but you still could have ran
the clock out given their lack of timeout to give
it where you had the football.
Speaker 8 (46:40):
Yeah, I mean if your reasoning is is five man down,
because you know they're going to there in Victory's formation.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
Yeah, and that's that's That's what I'll say.
Speaker 8 (46:55):
And he's right, he spends it and then Q you
you mentioned it door Shador spins the ball. I mean
he can he can play.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
He can also run too, right, He's all right that running.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
I mean he can he can buy himself some time.
Speaker 8 (47:09):
I mean, the one thing that really stood out to me,
that really jumped out at me about Shador Sanders is
that he's he was delivering. He was delivering some beautiful
balls under some serious duress, like he was getting hit.
Like a couple of the big plays he made during
this game, he was getting hit at the same time
(47:30):
he was releasing the ball.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
He looks bigger, doesn't he.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
He bulked up, right, He looks a little bigger a
little bit. Yeah. I mean, I thought they were impressive.
I thought the.
Speaker 8 (47:40):
Offense in the passing game was impressive. I was not
in in Prime City. Coach Prime said, listen, they need
to improve their running game. I looked at some of
the plays. I looked over him again a little bit,
some of the plays that and it was interesting being
in I'm here in State College and I was with
(48:02):
some of my you know some of the old heads. Yeah, yeah,
we are, matter of fact, you know Q We'll talk
about that, qes and Morgan Town.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
So he's going to see my dudes. Well yeah, but
there were some former players.
Speaker 8 (48:15):
And I was at a Spikes baseball game yesterday, Uh
shouts out to the state college Spikes. And the first
thing that guys were saying, which I thought was an
interesting observation, was once they if you want to see
the difference or understand the difference between a major and
a mid like a Power five versus like a mid major,
(48:38):
and like lower levels, you'd see like plays where there'd
be they were taking advantage of one on one situations
and the defender would actually be close enough for it
to be a non factor play, but they were still
turning into bigger plays. And you're looking at and you're like,
(48:59):
see that linebacker right there, if that's if that's a
power five linebacker, that's a that's a catch, and that's
a tackle. And that wasn't happening in the game last evening.
There were catches, there were plays, and those linebackers or
those corners they weren't able to they were they were
in position like give give South Dakota. Their their props.
(49:21):
They were in North North Wow, I keep miss mixing
them up. They were in position to make the plays.
They were just meant they they were minting. This is
why you're here and not at a Power five school.
And that was like now that became the debate was
when you get into the bigger games and the coverages
(49:43):
are the coverages and the plays are the plays.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
And Deon said it, Look, you're gonna take what the
defense gives you.
Speaker 8 (49:48):
If you got linebackers that can handle the matchups and
you're able to drop it off to them and the
flares as a check a checkdown, and they're able to
make bigger plays out of that because you can't make
that tackle or you're throwing quick screens out to the
out into the the you know, the edges of the defense.
If they can't make those tackles, then you you take
(50:11):
what they're going to give you. But I just think
that those were certain things that popped out and that
were being discussed. When defenses have the guys that can
match up, are they going to be able to are
they going to have enough offense? Are they going to
have enough you know, good calls in order to be
able to have the success and again, can the defensive
(50:34):
front can can the defense as a whole can they
put can they put more pressure on the quarterback? And
can they make bigger plays you know versus you know,
stopping stopping quarterbacks from being able to run and stopping
the run altogether.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
Their defensive front has a lot to prove.
Speaker 8 (50:53):
There was a kind of a lot left on the
table in terms of saying, Okay, they came out, this
was a dominant per formance. This guy, you know, kind
of established hisself as the go to guy. That's something
that you're still going to look for out of Buffalo
moving forward.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
I mean, at least they were thinking about the people
who had money on Colorado at the end. You know,
I'm throwing the ball like that, giving him a chance,
you know, like everyone thinking, oh, this pant's over, and
then they're slinging it.
Speaker 16 (51:19):
We do realize Colorado call a time out with thirty
eight seconds left, right with that.
Speaker 6 (51:24):
Fourth down like that.
Speaker 16 (51:25):
Like That's what I'm trying to say is the reporter
should have followed up and said, no, we understand the
first first down you got in that drive, but you
then had the opportunity had you not thrown on first
down to be able to have run the clock out
just to see what the follow up was, because that's
the reality of it. And like for all the things
(51:46):
you just said, LeVar, here's the truth is.
Speaker 6 (51:49):
Is this team any different from last year? My answer
is no.
Speaker 16 (51:55):
Offensive line was still issued, didn't have a running game,
defense struggle. We already knew that Shadu or Sanders was
one of the top quarterbacks. We know that Travis Hunter
is one of the best players in college football. We
know Jimmy Horn Junior is one of their playmakers. Like
we know they have weapons on the outside. There is
nothing that's really changed for them. They're still gonna be
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fun to watch. They're gonna be fun to watch the
entire season because they're gonna be in dogfights and they're
gonna be able to come back in games because of
their passing game and because their skilled players. Because they
if you look at Travis Hunter and Jimmy Horn Jr.
Those are two of the better players in college football.
So it doesn't matter you know, what defenses do, what
the matchups are, They're still gonna get theirs. It just
(52:38):
comes down to, like, can this team help those guys
out enough and on the point of Shador. The best
thing about his game, and this is something that I
felt watching him last year and was talked about and
discussed a ton. He's accurate, He's all the things you're
looking for in a quarterback. His poise when you talk
(52:58):
about the ability to liver a ball while getting hit
and by the way happening time and time again, his
poise is what always just stood out to me.
Speaker 6 (53:08):
Most quarterbacks, when they get hit as.
Speaker 16 (53:10):
Often as he does, they eventually start to feel it
their pocket presence, how they played throughout the course of
a game or a season. They start to not trust
that offensive line. He continually hangs in there, hangs in there,
and he'll wait until someone gets open, will wait un
till someone separates, delivers a strike, take a shot, get
(53:32):
right back up. I mean, it's pretty impressive to watch.
That's the one thing that you know, I think if
you look at him compared to any other quarterback in
college football, he's got that over everyone. We watched it
all last year and so far it looks like it's
going to be that way this year.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
So if they're the same team they were last year,
but the competition's a lot stiffer this year than last year,
then the results are going to be worse than last year.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
Ultimately, I don't think it's stiffer, you know.
Speaker 6 (53:59):
I think it's about the same.
Speaker 16 (54:01):
But I think there's elements where you feel like they'll
be able to win to me, at least six or
more games because of Shador. Like I just I think
if you're matching up whoever they're playing at quarterback, you
know Dylan Ryol who they're playing next week as a freshman,
talented player, he could go off this year maybe, But
(54:21):
that's a guy that I think if you're saying who
would you take right now, you take Shador Sanders that
quarterback matchup. Every single week, he's gonna have the advantage,
and there's gonna be few times. I mean maybe outside
of Utah you might say, Okay, Cam Rising has been
playing college football for everything. He's twenty five now, Like
outside of maybe that matchup, you'd say, yeah, I take
(54:43):
Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (54:45):
So if that's the case, they always have a punching chance.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
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Speaker 4 (55:01):
Yes, it's football Friday.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
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Speaker 7 (55:07):
Come on Friday.
Speaker 4 (55:09):
Come on, Calo brodo bumps they wanted.
Speaker 6 (55:13):
One day.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
Come on, come on.
Speaker 4 (55:17):
Don't leave the ball.
Speaker 13 (55:19):
To get it least I get it, Leave I get it,
least leave where.
Speaker 4 (55:23):
Don't leave, don't leave, don't leave.
Speaker 8 (55:26):
Lead the laud lead, the last say, lead the laud,
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Speaker 4 (55:34):
Come on, come on.
Speaker 7 (55:36):
Alright, alright, that feels.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
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Edit guard see here we go.
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