June 28, 2025 • 58 mins
This week on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Thunder beat the Pacers in Game 7 of the Finals, but Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is still not a “top-tier” name. Jonas and LaVar look back on the good ol’ days of hard hits and playin’ in the streets. And with Justin Tucker being handed a 10-game suspension, his Hall of Fame chances take a huge hit.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Labar aarings and rating win and Jonas Knox
on five four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Congratulations are in order to the Oklahoma City Thunder a
game seven. It took, but a game seven got them
their first ever NBA Championship. Congratulations to the OKAC Thunder
and their fan base on the NBA Finals win. And
I know a lot of discussion about what could have
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been if not for the injury to Tyrese Haliburton.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Well, they got off to a quick start and that
should be noted that it looked like it was going
to be a pretty competitive final game. Haliburton unfortunately, you know,
hurts his lower leg. Obviously it was clearly an achilles.
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I'm sure that that took place. You could see it
in the replay that the NBA showed a hundred million
times in slow motion, by the way, so once he
went out. It's interesting the Pacers actually outscored the the
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OKC Thunder in the second quarter. They actually outscored them.
The undoing of the Indiana Pacers was the sloppy play
in the third quarter, the amount of turnovers in the
third quarter, the lack of offensive continuity and rhythm in
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the third quarter was to me what the undoing was.
I mean, topping Obie got his opportunity to get in
there and play, he did nothing, you know, he did nothing,
contributed nothing on the offensive side of the ball, Maus Turner, everybody, Well,
that's that's just the true. And you would have thought
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that they would have had possibly a little bit of
an advantage just because of the athleticism and empower that
Obi top And was showing. And then you know, Miles
Turner was one who was able to get the three
ball going, was able to show a little bit of
versatility on the offensive side of the board on the ball,
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and he just couldn't find it. Another note, by the way,
that should be added into the undoing was second chance
opportunities and in some cases third chance opportunities for Oka see,
which says to me, you're getting out hustled. You know,
the couple times that they had really really bad offensive sequences,
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it was because guys were staring or collapsing down to
the ball. They weren't moving around, they weren't keeping the spacing,
they weren't making it a difficult, you know, proposition to
defend them. And okase he thunder took advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, it's game completely changed. It felt like the way,
especially with Haliburton's start.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
That we were going to get one of those.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Classic epic game seven's, and you saw the road team
come out fired up, and you just thought, man, this
is something that's going to go down to the wire.
And what's crazy is we're so educated on Achilles injuries
now from the standpoint that everybody can recognize it in
real time when it happens. And I don't know when
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that change happened or when that change occurred, but it
feels like we all know what that looks like.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
When TV cameras became HD, yeah, you know, you know
you could put stuff in slow motion the way that
they do.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
But even even seeing his reaction on the floor, you knew,
like you just knew it was the same thought.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
It was interesting that the media or the people announcing
the game, like, why are you dancing over it? It's
like people that you're interviewing, like you talk to his
dad or whatever it may be. I think somebody even
on call, you know, calling the game, actually ended up
saying it. It was like just say he ruptured as
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achilles tendon. Like I know, you didn't have the official
word on it, and it was something the kind of
waiting until they tell you officially, but you could have
you could have immediately speculated the idea that you could
tell by the way it looked that it was it
was a ruptured achilles.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I mean, I just think we all know in watching
it what that looks like now, and so we don't
need to be well, it's a it's a lower leg injury. Well, clearly,
clearly it's not an upper leg injury. Clearly it's not
an upper body injury. Tyrese Haliburton, And you can almost
see the trainer whoever came over to him, I think,
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asked him did you feel it pop? And he just
kind of was screaming I did, I did, And you
just knew.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
That was it. That was over.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And the worst part is, you know, not only is
it over for that game in that series, it's probably
over for all the next year too.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
That's a that is a brutal I mean, you would know.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
A lot office one these days. You know, acls used
to be career killers. Achilles tendons, they weren't career killers.
But it just all depended on how you adjusted and
adapted to the new the new leg, the new lower
leg that you would have after the surgery. And it
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took a really, really long time to be able to
come back. But at one point achilles were actually probably
a career a career ender or career alterer, and those
were the two you know everything else at MCLs, PCLS,
you know, meniscus, those things seemed to be more minor,
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but you toured out a interior crucie ligament that was
a career ender. And let me tell you something, the
Achilles tendon is the biggest tendon in your body. That thing,
when it goes, it is one of the most absolute
painful deals you'll ever deal with.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Man.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
It is that.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I mean, I'm a grown man and I have a
pretty high pain tolerance. It had me crying like tears,
like not like oh it hurts, but more like how
Denzel was standing there when he was getting whipped in
Glory and not one tier came out his eye and
it just went real slow down his face. Like that
type of pain, man, Yeah, that type of pain you
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don't want.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, it's I mean, it definitely changed how we viewed
that game. And what the I guess the recap and
the storyline of that game would be. But nonetheless, I mean,
there's there's a lot on the injury that we're going
to get into throughout the course of the show. But
you got to give your flowers to SGA Shake, Gilgess, Alexander,
who did speak afterwards, just about their mindset, the win,
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how they feel about the team, and what they could
possibly accomplish moving forward.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
We definitely still have room to grow, and that's the
fun part of this. So many of us can still
get better third row. It's not very many of us
on the team that are quote unquote in our prime
or even close to it. So we have a lot
of room to grow individually and as a group. And
I'm excited for the future of this team. But this
is a great start for sure. Couldn't imagine any other way.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
That's a brilliant year that he just finished off. Yes
in Oklahoma City, I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Basically enough to thrust him into being one of the
names that is mentioned as you know, as a name.
It's interesting and I know that might sound like a
crazy take, but it just seems as though when you
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talk about the names that are still driving the game,
SGA's name comes up, But do you now lead off
with SGA's name after this series, after this season, MVP season,
MVP of the playoffs, you know, or the finals? Does
this does this now propel you know, SGA into that
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conversation of being one of the main names, not not
after you give out the main names. Then he comes
right after you give out the Lebron James or the
Steph Curry's or the Kevin Durantz like those eras seemingly
are now concluding and you need those young stars to
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step in. I mean, we've talked about Giannis at nauseum.
We've talked about Jason Tatum, even even Jaylen Brown. We've
talked about them more than we've talked about it SGA.
And maybe it's because of the the you know, the
markets that they're in, you know, but these are these
are names that have come up. You know, Joel Embiid
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and he hasn't even really you know, been too much
since since the MVP year. But I just wonder, does
this series, does this year? Does the OKC thunder season
thrust not only s g A into the main conversation
of one of the main players in the NBA, and
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and what does it do for the Thunder. You know,
this team wasn't able to get it done with KD. Harden,
you know, Serge Abaka and Westbrook, you weren't able to
get it done. And now they've been able to deliver
a first championship to the OKC Thunder. This is a
big moment for for that franchise, is a big moment
for that that town and and I would assume to
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be able to take advantage of it. This is a
big moment for the NBA as well.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
So you want to know whether or not SG is
going to become a talking point like other superstars in
the NBA, Like that's that's that's the question. Because I
have the answer, you won't say no, probably not, probably not.
And you want to know why. Because they've got to
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squeeze every last drop of the Lebron rag that they
can while they got it. Got to squeeze it. You
gotta get every every drop out. You want that thing
to be bone dry afterwards. They're just they're going to
pick at the carcass of Lebron James for as long
as they possibly can because they know that that's what
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feeds and that's and that's the way the NBA has
worked for a long time, and they're going to be
in for route awakening when Lebron James does decide to
walk away, because he really has carried the discussion and
the conversation for that league for a couple of decades now,
and they've got an opportunity. They've got an opportunity to
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promote and try and get coverage for some of these
younger stars, guys like SGA, guys like a Tatum or
a Brown last year, like, they've got opportunities, they've got
a chance here. It took them forever to finally acknowledge, hey,
maybe Indiana's pretty good. I mean, everybody just wanted to
coordinate the Knicks because they got past the Celtics with
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all their injuries, and Indiana was standing there going excuse us, like,
we're pretty good as well too, and we're going to
be the team that represents this conference in the finals.
And so if they can rally around the idea of hey,
Lebron's going to be on his way out soon, the
end is near and we're going to have to transition
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to try and find new stars and new conversations and
new talking points. If they can do that and accept that,
then they got a chance. If not, it's just going
to be great players who get a fraction of the
coverage because people don't know how to cover the newer
generation of NBA players.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's interesting. It's interesting because it probably is a very
important coat that they need to figure out how to
crack in terms of just the development of this new
age of stars. It looked like it might have been
John Morant for a moment and then he you know,
kind of shot it our way or you know, blew
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it away, no pun intend Yeah, you know, he he
had other things on his mind.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Can I defend John Morant? Yeah? Sure.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Gunlighter sales really spiked after that video came out. There
you go, you know how many people were smoking weed
out back somewhere and they pulled out a nine millimeter
with a flame coming out of it and they probably
said thanks, like, oh God.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Keep the party going on, past the back, past the
bowl player. Yeah right, take up, no violence here, baby,
all love.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Anyway, So he kind of messed himself up off the court,
and now the conversation went away from him. It seemed
as though our guy, you know, Anthony atwards was on
the pathway of being maybe anointed the new face of
the league. But it almost seems as though he needs
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to I don't know, I don't know what they need
to do. Maybe a little bit more maturity. Maybe maybe
it's just they need the stars aligned for him. But
he needed to take it a little bit further than
what he did this year, to take a definitive step
forward to be that face. In fact, so much so
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where now you have to maybe start having the conversation
of is SGA gaining that type of momentum where he
could be looked at as possibly the face of the
n b A. I mean, you have the Tatum conversation,
but but people seem to be largely in part let
down by Jason Tatum. I mean, no fault of his
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own this year. You know, he dealt with injury during
during the playoffs, But you know who's who's the guy?
You know, out of this younger generation, it just doesn't
seem to be. I mean, Nicola Jokic and and Luca
are our guys that are being looked at as phenoms.
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Wimby's being looked at as as a phenom.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
But faces of the league. There's there's I.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Think that what we learned from the Michael Jordan era
of time and the Magic Johnson era of time was
it has to be more than just the way you
play the game. There has to be and for what
it's worth, whether you're a Lebron James supporter or you're
a detract One thing you can't take away from him
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is he understood the value and the quality of what
it took for Kobe Bryant or a Michael Jordan or
a Magic Johnson to be able to truly be what
they became to the league. Even Steph Curry excellent, excellent approach,
excellent job and being able to build their brands outside
(15:25):
of being able to play basketball. Jonas and that that
to me, the personalities and understanding the ability to be
able to capture your audience, I almost feel like in
some way that's maybe missing. It's not as prevalent amongst
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these new new players as it once was before.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
There's also been a real I don't know if effort
is the right word, but it has felt like even
when a newer star comes along in the NBA, there's
almost like a push to find the flaw. Like with SGA, look,
people can say, well, you know, his style of play
is you know, he you know, he tries to create
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too many fouls and he flops. Look, that may be true.
Dude's a great player. I mean he is a great player.
He was the best player in the league this year.
It doesn't mean he's the best player in the league.
I think a lot of people look at Joker and
still say he's the guy. But he just capped off
an incredible season and he won a title for that franchise.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
He said, a great year.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
But there is going to be some people that dismissed
the style of play because it's not entertaining and nobody
wants to see the fouls, et cetera. When James Harden
was averaging over thirty a game, doing something that a
couple of guys had ever done in the history of
the NBA, the knock on James Harden was, yeah, but
it's just that step back and he just throws it
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up and it what so because exactly who was going
in exactly. It's like when people would complain about Floyd Mayweather.
Oh yeah, but if you know his fights are boring,
they're boring. Oh he's boring, and it's just it's too defensive.
I don't know, seems like something work because he made
more money than anybody. And you ever heard the guy
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talk before all his faculties, Like doesn't seem like he's
punched drunk.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
By the way, and he never lost no.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
So like like why the push to find the flaw
instead of just acknowledging. Hey, man, different strokes for different folks.
This works. That works to each their own. The shots
are going in, he's making them. He had an incredible
run and an incredible season. But sometimes we get caught
up in this. Yeah, but he doesn't he you know,
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the way he does it. You know, it's not like
it So what.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
This toxic culture? I mean, that's that's that's what drafts things.
I'm telling you. It's the craziest thing. I went up,
like I went up like four five thousand followers just
because I posted as that was considered to be controversial
to those that can't read or don't read, or don't
take the time to put things in the proper context.
(18:10):
Because that's just the way the brain works. For today's culture.
You know, the culture is toxic culture. Cringe cringe, top
cringe culture. You know, that's that's what it is. So
people people cling, and people gravitate to mean, they gravitate
to negative. You know, it's it's interesting you put up
(18:30):
a positive quote, a positive post, your your likes, and
your views significantly fall off. I got the data now.
I don't even have to say per se or I
think the data says if you put up something that
that maybe maybe has a toxic vibe to it, or
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a you know, somebody died type deal type of vibe
to it, like watching somebody fall, like it took place
with the hot air balloon. Like you look at the
views on that, it's like a gazillion views.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Bro, take that for data. There you go, thank you.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Then you put up something like hey, get up early,
work hard, eat your breakfast, believe that you can win
the day, it'd be like one like I don't need
I don't need to hear no positivity from you. I'm
all about the negativity.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I can't die.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I'm not one to judge. I you know, I retweet
all the bad stuff. I just think it's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, but you retweet what they say, you help it.
I love trolling them too, by the way, sometimes I
make time. I love going on your posts and trolling.
That's a that's a fertile ground to go on. Oh yeah,
oh man, Yet some weirdos. You've got some good ones,
but you got some straight up weirdos that be following.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, they're eating good I got somebody under somebody dusted off.
An oldie, but a goodie. This weekend they called me
a piss ant, just one.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Of the good ones. Yeah, of the great terms of
all time.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
It is like I hadn't heard that in years one
And I think if you look up the definition, I
think we're looking it up. It means uh like worthless
or insignificant or something like that.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I believe an insignificant or contemptible person or thing. Yeah,
piss a love piss ant, and I'm reading up on
the type of ant that is. Shut up, Lee, you
piss ant. We got to start dusting lying. It's not
that we got to start dusting that off, but good hair.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
How was the freak with the vacans?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
How was that?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I'm sorry, Vegas, Sorry.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
It's hard to contain myself.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It is two pros old us there at Las Vegas,
two pros and a couple of ye here on Fox
Sports Trading. Yeah, no, invite for us, not for us.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
We were left out, like they're gonna invite a couple
of piss ants like us. And there you go. That
now it's been used correctly. The fun note about the
piss at is that it's a wood type of ant
that actually has a urine like odor. Really yeah, hence
hence the name.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
How do you get close enough to him and tell me?
Have you ever smelled an ant?
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Do you guys ever kill the sugar ants in your
kitchen with your fingers and then they smell really bad?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I hate that's weird, and that's wow. I've never heard
of an ant. I think fire your ants is the
only thing I've ever heard. Sugar ants, black ant, I've
heard it. I've heard of black at me too.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Rachel had a couple of them, that.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Is like several leg I think I got four they
forgot I hate as I hate ants with the.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Dad has three sisters, my mom has one. I have
four black ants.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Do you.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
We call them ants in Pittsburgh and some people call
them on Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I hate ants, just hate them every time. I because
here's the problem. You see one, there's five hundred just
waiting to crawl through the crack. If you see one ant,
just get ready.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Do you know if you draw lines in front of them,
they will like get all discombobulated. You ever see that
done before?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Really?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
But something about their sensory, like if you were to
draw like black lines in front of them, they'll avoid
the lines. So you could actually trap one in a
circle if you if you if you're happen to see one,
you know, crawling around the studio, just try to find
a way to get it to walk onto a white
piece of paper and then just start drawing lines on it.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Yeah. I just.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Can't stand them. Really bothered me. What about when I
got you say, really me a lot?
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I hate him?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
What about when Ozzy Osbourne was all twazzled out on
whatever he was, whatever he was using at the time,
and he got down on all fours and the fire ends. Yeah,
he snorted a row of fire ends.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
How's that guy alive? You know what I mean? Like?
Oh boy, they were alive?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, what do you think his next knees was?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Like?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I don't know, man, Like the dragon off Game of Thrones,
some catch.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Truly be taking all physical challenge for no apparent reason either.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yeah, they do I don't get it.
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Speaker 2 (24:23):
Good morning, bar Hello, Jonas Knocks, I mean otherwise known
as Drack. I got a I was thinking about you
this morning. I was all right, So I was working
out clothes on or off on. Unfortunately, all right, listen,
that could be arranged. Don't you come in here telling
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me you was thinking about Okay, don't you do that?
So all right, So, so I was watching on television
while I was working out this morning. Was an old
NFL game. I mean we're talking Neil O'Donnell on the
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Bengals old Oh okay, so Bengals Lions, old NFL game, yep.
And I saw some guy on a punt return get clean.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Lit out all the way lit.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
There wasn't even a thought of it being a penalty.
Well that's what people looked for. It wasn't even a
thought like literally, nobody looking around to see if the flight,
you know, a player like looks around at go all,
they're for sure going to call a flag on that.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Nothing, not even not even.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
The ten highlights you used to see back then. We're
all big hits.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I got annihilated, and there was nobody, nobody. It didn't
even occur to anybody that that could be a possibility.
Nobody could fathom that that would be a penalty. And
it was some guy getting wiped out on a punt return,
not looking Everybody wanted to see it. Yes, people still
want to see it, if they're being honest. I want
to see it.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
They showed it immediately.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I want to see dudes getting blown up. Man, we
don't want to get blown up. Don't get blown up.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
It's Rubbernecker mentality. Yeah, man, you know you like get
rd R. Yeah you got a uh you got yes,
it's true.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Not rubber neck, ah, but you you uh, you stop
to look at whatever is happening, and if there's an accident,
if there's some you know some or I try and
not watch street fights that come up on the algorithm
on Instagram or anything like that. I try not to,
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but you almost have to watch it twice. If it's
a short reel that goes for you know, fifteen seconds,
I'm good for two of those like that'll lead up
thirty seconds of my day. And then I realized, well,
that's going to throw everything off. And you see, those
are the most viewed clips for the most part. But
it was funny because we've talked about just what the
NFL used to be, yeah, and what it is now, and.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
I'm watching that play going nobody even considered.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
There were celebrations, There was high fives, guys were guys
were you know, dapping it up. Not even a thought
that that was going to be a penalty. Different different
NFL these days.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
It was a different NFL then and it is a
different one now. But you know, evolution happens. People want
to be responsible for making the game better, leaving it
better than what they found it. And I get it.
I mean, you're you're making safety more of a priority,
you know. You know what would be even more interesting
(27:32):
to me would be to hear the back end conversations
of producers of the of the the football games, the
the gms, the coaches back then versus those conversations, Now, what.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Do you think they would add?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Oh? Bruh oh. I think it would be And and
you know what's crazy it I'll say this, It would
probably be the same way as a microcosm. You know,
football is a microcosm of the entire hole of our society.
I guarantee you it would be glaring in comparison, just
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like normal people of today versus normal people from that
era of time. The conversations behind closed doors would be wild,
just what.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
They were, what they would allow in a game.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
With what you didn't think about, what was normal, what
was commonplace. I feel like you're made to think more
now than you ever have. And while I say thinking
is a is a wonderful thing, it isn't for everybody.
Thinking is not for everybody, you know, So it would
(28:53):
be it would just be interesting if some of the
people back in those days had to fit into these days,
and even more interesting people of these days trying to
fit back in those days. Like can you imagine kids
really don't even go outside anymore? Bro, Like we I
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would not allow my kid outside and I live in
a dope community. Wouldn't allow her outside if she's not
if she's not monitored or inside of the gate. Oh yeah,
she's not going outside.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
We were going from Burrow to Burrow.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
We get on me and my brother, we get on
our bikes or catch the bus, and I mean we're
like what eleven what.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Do they call lock key kids or latch key latch
key kids?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, but we weren't. We weren't really latch key kids.
We just kids just moved around back then. Like it
wasn't just sitting on a device. It wasn't sitting on
your cell phone. It wasn't like you were. Life was different.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Man.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
When I take my son out because he loves baseball
and we go, literally go every day, and he's four
years old, I I've never and I mean never seen
anybody at the park when we arrived to play baseball
that we've got to like wait for them to finish
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in order for us. Brobody's there. We had and it's summertime.
It's all throughout the year, nobody's there.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Ever, we had street games all the time. Baseball it
was woofleball, woofleball, street hockey.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
You could you could join a pickup game, like, hey,
you guys need to play.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
We used to play smear the rhymes with smear or
free for all, Free, free for all. Yeah, but the
first one was the name smear the Okay, so we
said different time, different time. I'm just saying that now.
Oh shah, they're.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Coming to get you. They coming. What you mean, We're
just gonna play this game. Dif heard worse?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Oh daily, Oh yeah, it's it's it is wild man.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
You get out there and nobody's there.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
It's just it's just so it's just this day and age,
it's just so different.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Like it's just so different. Do you realize that gym
class back in the day was it was modern. It
was it was patterned and modeled after basic training because
they were basically preparing kids to be able to go
to basic training. Like your gym class. Physical education was
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for you literally to be getting your body in shape
and getting it acclimated to being able to do the
things that you would do if you had to go
to the military.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Wasn't there the presidential fitness stuff that you were to
test for it that was like nationwide. Yes, yeah, everyone
had to like you had to be able to pass it.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Now now, and this is the wildest thing I've ever heard.
If I remember that, this is the wildest thing I've
ever heard. You used to have to be able to
run the mouth. It was required chins and pull up yest.
I remember that, all right, But it's great. But here's
what's crazy. Here's what's crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
And like, like, these kids should be ashamed of themselves.
I ain't gonna lie, like you should be yourself. The
only guaranteed A that I knew I was going to
get in school, which Jim I knew. Jim, I count
that as an A.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
People are failing gym class must be nice. I had
to go on the gas to get a be minus.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
People are failing gym class. How okay? And when you're
able to explain that one to me, then we'll maybe
starting down the road of some of the things that
need to change in today's society. I believe progression is great.
I believe evolving is great. But some things you just can't.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
You just really can't lose the essence of what some
of these things represent. And I tell you what missing
out like not getting Everyone should get an A in
gym class. I don't care how athletic you are. It's
just the effort. People are failing. Jim, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, but they're great on an iPad though, you know
what I mean, Like, they're great. And by the way,
you can make gym class pass. You make the time
pass very easily. Just listen to us on the iHeartRadio app.
There you go, like, listen to the podcast. There's always
a way out here. I mean, gone are the good
old days when you could just call people out for
their laziness.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Oh don't you You could stay firing.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
He'd be fired, suspend it on leave, and then fire
slovenly sloppy boy. Imagine you told a kid, well, go
ahead and jump, go ahead and jump, let's go.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
I just you know, I don't know, man. Anyway, I
don't know how we got on that tangent because we
were talking about football highlights, and I saw a football
highlight of a guy getting blown up on kickoff as well. Ironically, coincidentally,
I don't know these phones and these TVs like are
studying our brain waves and all this stuff, because on
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God the minute, I think is something that ass pops
up on my social media. I don't know how that works.
I don't know why that is, but I saw that
as well. I saw a kickoff the other day and
I posted it. I was like, imagine this was football,
you know, and it's just times have really changed, man,
Like I would say, in some instances, some cases, really
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the only true football that you really watch anymore in
terms of the physicality of it is between linemen. Like
that's really it. And that's even that. I mean, you
gotta think when I was playing ball, and it was
way worse, like Deacon Jones and all of them. You
go back to them days with mel Blunt and all
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of them. They were close lining people, they were head
slapping people. Deacon Jones was giving a dude concussions every
single play because he come off the ball and just
slap them in their air hole. That's why he was
getting all them sacks. People don't realize that. But when
Deeke came off the ball, he slap you in the
head right here, right your air hole, and and and
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that was how he got around.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
He was power slapped before power slid dudes.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Dudes, Yes, it's like straight power slapping dudes didn't have
to have the ball for you to close line them.
So dudes like Mail Blunt and and uh night Train
Lane and and and you know, uh Lester from from
the Raiders, they used to run around just close lineing dudes.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Oh it wasn't wasn't his nickname Lester than Yeah's I
didn't use it though.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, well, you know because of the way he can't
but think about it. You can't even say that. You
can't even say what the tank tops are anymore. And
I always thought that I never even thought two seconds
about it saying it, and you just never thought about it.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
And you can't even say it. You gotta say tank top?
What do you mean? Wife Beater can't believe you just said,
do we have.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
To dump that? Is that a dumba bull offense. I'm
sure there's some people out there that still say it.
Probably I remember a word we used to use in
the in the playground when we were younger in grade school.
And I'll tell you what I honestly believe you could
like get a citation for saying it now as easy
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as that that word rolled off the tongue. And I
ain't talking about the N word. I'm talking about the
F work and people used to say it and not
the one that ends with K is with a T,
and people used to say it. And and it's what's
crazy to me is how in today's culture and society,
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how there's been such strong lines drawn and connected to
certain words where it didn't even like when we used
to say we didn't say it because of that. We
said it because it was funny, Like it was funny
to call somebody that, like you call people names like oh,
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don't be mean.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
At school, like all right.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
You start to learn social cues, you start to learn
how to communicate and do things and whatever. But it
was like it just seemed like just like football, man,
it was just it just seemed better. It just seemed
better back then. And maybe that's what everybody says because
that's your experience growing up. But honestly, like I can't
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sit there and look at some of these correlations, like
our as soft as hell at this.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Point if you ask me, you know, it is it
was just less complicated. There just wasn't as much. You
didn't have to always think about what could you just
did so there wasn't a well, god, you know all
of these you know, terrible things could happen, or I
could get in trouble for this, or I could do
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and look, some of that needed to change. It's not
saying that everything was perfect, but it does feel like
people are more likely to be overly cautious. You can
find outrage and everything. Yeah, everything you do is like
I'm outraged. I'm upset that that upset me. Like it's
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so crazy to me. Like if you take some of
these old old dudes and say, those old dudes that
owned football teams and the National Football League where the
yours of P Diddy's trial?
Speaker 4 (39:05):
What they say? Why are we even here? Why are
we here? Why are we here? What are you doing
to this? Man? I did that last night? Come on?
What it's the gar and man diaper on? Where you
think he got that idea from that?
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Any woman that's willing to take my dependence off and
go to work as a woman for me, Like, I
just I don't know, I just feel like the times
have changed so much. Man, and even though I still
get excited for football, like workout culture. It's interesting because
workout culture is very real now.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
It wasn't.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Work out culture was like limited to a few people,
and people would get excited about him, like Walter Payton,
workout dude. You know Jerry Rice, workout dude. Like there
were certain dudes and they would highlight them working out.
That's common now, that's like, it's like, oh, you don't
work out like that. You don't do specified skilled training,
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you don't do this, you don't have a personal training,
a coach, a personal.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Coach I coached.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
I was a high school head coach and I had
a kid wasn't even that good, had a person or
had a private coach, and every time I would tell
him to do something, he referenced his coach. I'm like, well,
if you want to play on this team that's coached
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by me, you probably should listen to the way I'm
telling you to do it. Otherwise I'm not going to
trust you to put you out there. But the kid
wasn't even throwing the ball. He was taking sacks. These
quarterback coaches teach these kids these days to take sacks
instead of throwing the ball away because it messes up there.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
QB raiding. Yeah, this is high school. Brady's talked about that, man,
protect what is it protect the rating?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
This is high school? Like, kid, this is going to
be the last time you play ball. What are you
protecting your rating for? Who are you going to tell
twenty years, thirty years from now that I had a
quarterback rating of ninety nine. Meanwhile you had three completions
for minimum yards.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
What the hell is wrong with that's incomplete? What the
hell is wrong? I don't know, man. You you sprung
it like the President saying they don't know what they're
effing doing. The SoundBite running you talking about seeing when
guys used to hit this funny man. It just it's
just it triggered something to me. I'm sorry everyone, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
I'm not sorry if I offended you because it's how
I feel. But you know, it is kind of early.
So there you go. Good morning.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
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Speaker 2 (41:56):
So, the big news that came out in the NFL yesterday.
I don't think that much of a surprise necessarily, but
it was newsworthy because it was a big time move
made by one team in the NFL. That's one of
these stable organizations we've talked about. That would be the
Baltimore Ravens. It was announced yesterday former Ravens kicker Justin
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Tucker was suspended for the first ten weeks of the
regular season after the NFL found that he did violate
the league's personal conduct policy. This was in regard to
the allegations made against him of sexual misconduct at multiple
massage parlors in and around the Baltimore area during I
believe a four year stretch twenty twelve to twenty sixteen.
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And look, if he were to sign with a team,
he could attend training camp, he could even participate in
preseason games, but he's not eligible to actually playing an
NFL game until November eleventh, according to the National Football League.
So it does feel like the Baltimore Ravens knew this
was the potential. Does feel like the Baltimore Ravens knew
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that this was possibility and that we could be seeing
Justin Tucker release from the team, and so Justin Tucker,
now released, now faces a ten game suspension, one game
less than Deshaun Watson. All right, so one game less
for anybody keeping score on this, it's a lot of
football games.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Again, I would be surprised if I see him, especially
this upcoming season. I'd be surprised if you saw him back.
I just don't think you say winning games outweighs it.
I don't think it does. I think it's a bad look.
I think the fact that you're bringing him in, if
you brought him in after he finished his suspension, I
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think you open yourself up to criticisms that and scrutiny.
That's just it's not necessary. It's not needed. Hall of
Fame kicker, pretty dang good, good ballplayer in his prime.
But is it worth the headache? I I just don't
see how it is now.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
John Harbad, the Ravens head coach, in discussing this earlier
this offseason, explain the reasoning behind the release. If you remember,
they drafted a kicker this past year before they announced
the release of Justin Tucker, which I think was the
beginning of the end. But John Harbaugh had this to
say when it came to the decision.
Speaker 8 (44:20):
It was a complex decision making process, and you know
you're I'm a part of it, Eric Sashi, Ozzie Steve
is a big part of those kind of decisions. I mean,
you're talking about, you know, arguably the best kicker in
the history of the game. You know, And like we said,
it's multi layered, it's complicated, but you've got to in
the end, it all backs up. It all comes back
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to what you have to do to get ready for
your team to play the first game. And I think
if you step back and you take a look at
all the issues and all the ramifications, you can understand that,
you know, we've got to get our football team ready
and we've got to have a kicker ready to go,
and that was the move that we decided to make.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
All right, He said absolutely nothing in that well, because
I think I think they've what the Ravens have done,
I think is be kind to Justin Tucker and said
all the right things because they probably recognized Listen, the
guy went through a little bit of a creepy, weirdo period.
But the guy that we know maybe since that time,
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is a different player that along with he struggled a
little bit last year, we got to move on. So
I think they've been kind. They didn't they haven't aired
him out in public, or they haven't you know, made
an example of him and all that. And so John
Harbaugh seemingly did that as well too. But one of
the things that he did mention there was, you know,
arguably one of the greatest kickers of all time. So
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I just wonder when it comes to a discussion about
him as a Hall of Famer, like say, for example,
Justin Tucker gets picked up by a team, he is
a he is eligible to play again, you know, in November.
But say a team's like, man, we don't want to
deal with that in season. We don't want to deal
with the drama, don't want to deal with the blowback
or having these conversations, because the only reason you're signing
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Justin Tucker during the year would be if you've got
a problem at the kicker position anyways, and to welcome
in more dysfunction at a position and more conversation and
more drama to a position that you've already got drama in,
which is why you're even in the market for a
kicker at that point that late in the year, maybe
isn't the best fit. But next offseason, I could see
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a team kicking the tires on Justin Tucker and saying,
let's give him a shot. He's one of the best
kickers of all time. My question would be this, say
he goes and he plays for another team, and clearly
it's not going to be Baltimore, and it's not going
to be Cleveland because they've already got too many and
definitely not going to be New England because Robert Kraft
doesn't want the reminders. If they were to bring in
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Justin Tucker and he finishes out his career at a
high level like he was for majority of his career,
does this ten game suspension impact him being a Hall
of Famer? Because I think it would, and I don't
know that it would for maybe another position outside of
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you know, punter, and but I could see this being
a make or break for a position that doesn't have
a lot of Hall of Famers, And that's.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
A good point. The last point is a good point.
There's not very many specialists hall of famers, So it
wasn't going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer either,
you know so, and that wasn't going to be based
upon anything other than that's just not it's just not
a high profile position for the Hall of Fame. And
with that being said, when you have something like this
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take place, it one hundred percent damages your image and
whether there was a if there was a conviction, it's
an absolute no. Without this going to trial and it
becoming a legal thing and all that that come along
with it, he settles this out of court and never
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sees the light of day. He's going to be a
Hall of Famer. It's just a matter of when, and
it'll be far removed from from anyone possibly even really
remembering who Justin Tucker is, let alone remembering some of
his transgressions off of the field.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, I just look at it because this is one
of the things that we mentioned yesterday about Robert Craft
and him being at Fanatics Fest and talking about how
the last two years or the worst of his time
and all that, and one of the the thoughts on
why he's not in the Hall of Fame when a
guy like Jerry Jones is, when he's got double the
amount of Super Bowls as Jerry Jones is, do people
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who are voting for the Hall of Fame look at
what happened with Robert Craft in Jupiter, Florida at the
orchids of Asia? And do they look at that and
is that why they've decided not to put him in
the Hall of Fame because it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
And that's what we do know. That's what the public
does know. You and I both know. There are a
lot of things that you know. People close to situations
like that that know one another and have built relationships
through the year years, they may have more knowledge and
more color on everything on a lot of things that
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take place that the general public isn't privy to. There
are a lot of things that I know specifically that
I would never talk about on air. And so if
you're one of those people, it doesn't mean I don't
judge them. And I hate to say that I'm a
judger at times. I do judge at times. It is
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what it is for me. I feel how I feel
about things. But there are people that I know things
about that could ruin their entire image and ruin their
entire reputation. And if that truth ever came out, and
I don't ever talk about it and I don't get
involved in it, but I do look at that person
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or those people in particular, and I do not have
what it would would have used to have been a
healthy affinity for him and respect. I don't have any
of that. And you just live in that. And so
when you know things a certain type of way because
you're in it and you're around it, and you meet
the same people, and you're around the same people and
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the information circulates from time to time, you know, that's
what you live in. And so to me, you know,
asking the question, does this impact Pat?
Speaker 6 (50:41):
Pat?
Speaker 4 (50:42):
My guy? Not Pat because he's the guy, he's the man.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
But Bob is Bob Kraft, Bob Kraft, Robert Kraft, Robert Krabt.
If it's impacting him getting in Bobby orchids, is there's
something there's I'm gonna just say this, and I'm gonna
say it confidently, just knowing the things that I have
seen with my own two eyes. There are things that
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people are aware of about Robert Kraft that make it
make it difficult to vote on man. There's got to be,
because there's no other reason why he would not be
at his age, there's no re in as long as
he's been around, there's no reason for him to not
be inducted into the Hall of Fame by.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Now, and apparently that's a real that really burns his
ass that he's not a Hall of Famer, that he's
not like he's really pushed for it. The fact that
Jerry Jones got it before him bothers him, according to
it to people close to Robert Kraft, because those two
don't necessarily see eye to eye all the time. But
like there's yeah, there's got to be more too, but
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it is. It's just interesting how those moments people keep
score and yet you look at other players in the
in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and there's stuff
that that was out on all of them. Like, look,
Ben Roethlisberger is going to be a Hall of Famer,
no doubt about it, no question whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
Damn he had some stuff going on earlier in his career.
Speaker 3 (52:10):
You get there's a list, like there's a few dudes
in that Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
There's a list. It's just like, let's be clear, there's
there's a list.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
You pick and choose which are well, we could look
the other way, or he was so great that that
we're fine with that. It's like Robert Kraft, guys won
six Super bowls.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
I haven't listened to an R. Kelly song since everything
came out?
Speaker 4 (52:38):
What came out?
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Everything? Oh pause? I mean anyway, But some people listen
to R. Kelly and they'll tell you, I don't get
involved with R Kelly the person that's locked up. I
just enjoy R Kelly's music for what it's worth, that
face value. I can't do that. I don't know why.
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Maybe it's because I have daughters. I don't know, but
I can't do it. I've never listened to R Kelly
after everything came out. So some people can separate the two.
Some people can't. And when you can't, you base your
judgments and you're showing a.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Favor or lack thereof based off of how you're you feel.
Speaker 4 (53:29):
And I also think, like I can separate the two.
I don't.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
I don't look at any professional athlete like a role
model or anything like that. I don't base my life
around you know, that's the example I want to live.
I said this earlier this week. I think everybody's got
a little bit of scumbag in them. It just depends
on how often it comes out. And some people let
it out and let that out of the cage. A
little bit more than others. Some people keep it pretty
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closed up. I just think while I can compartmentalize the
player from the stuff off the field, I totally understand.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
How some people can't.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
And once you put your fate in somebody else's hands,
like for example, Justin Tucker or potentially robber Craft, that
that's why he's not in the Hall of Fame. Once
you do that, yeah, you can't pitch about it.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
When you was laying down on that table and he
was telling him to do more, you have been thinking
about that hall of fame.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
You just can't.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
You can't think of it like you can't complain about
it like that.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
I just I tend to believe that when you say
hall of fame, and I'm in a hall of fame,
I just for me, I feel as though I have
to be responsible over first and foremost my own brand,
me personally, what Errington means a name I was given
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before I even knew who I was. I'm defending, I'm building,
I'm growing, and I am protecting the reputation of my
family name. And that's I'm very prideful about that. So
when I make decisions, I make decisions cautiously and I
make decisions knowing that, you know, any one moment I
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was just having this conversation with man Man yesterday, any
one moment can take away a lifetime of.
Speaker 4 (55:21):
Hard work to build the right reputation.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
And it's unfortunate that some people just go overboard, like
you can have fun. Nobody's saying you got to be
a hermit, you can't do anything. You can have fun.
You can have your fun, but you got to understand
what you know when no means no, You got to understand,
you know, social cues, different things that maybe some of
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these guys just don't seem to feel like they need
to have that as an asset or skill or something
that's a part of you know, what they bring to
the table.
Speaker 4 (56:01):
And you make these decisions.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
And I honestly believe some of the people that make
these decisions are fully unaware of how egregiously out of
pocket they are because they're that out of touch with reality.
I honestly believe that, Like when Deshaun Watson says he's
he's innocent, I believe he honestly believes that based off
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of his vision of the world. But with that being said,
when things like what came out on him, come out
with things that came out on Robbercraft that came out.
When it comes out and it's discussed and it's public
domain and it's knowledge, the one thing that the public
is going to do is give an opinion, and one
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of those opinion is going to become popular public opinion.
And if you're not looked upon positively as a Hall
of famer, how can you be selected and put into
such hollow ground knowing that something not good, not glowing,
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not flattering about you, and in fact landed you in
legal trouble. How are you supposed to be putting them
in the Hall of Fame when most cases you'll say
that's infamy, not famous, that's infamous. So to me, I
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think it does become a hard sale to put a
person into the Hall of Fame that doesn't have a
good reputation both on and off the field, because you
are an ambassador, you are the ultimate ambassador to the game.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
And there's also the look and this could go down
a whole rabbit hole of Major League Baseball and how
you know they're parameters for getting into the Hall of Fame,
which is just a joke, it's just but yeah, those
people have the power to determine how you're viewed from
a legacy standpoint, but you have the power to determine
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what they choose to look at from your conduct. And
for some people, some people, you know, a little bit
reckless out there. So but we will a little bit,
we'll see, we'll see what happens when it comes to
the case of judge. Some of the most touched people
are you know, are hall of famers.
Speaker 4 (58:24):
Which is the appropriate word for this topic. Oh, there
you go.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Labar aarings and rating win and Jonas Knox
on five four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Congratulations are in order to the Oklahoma City Thunder a
game seven. It took, but a game seven got them
their first ever NBA Championship. Congratulations to the OKAC Thunder
and their fan base on the NBA Finals win. And
I know a lot of discussion about what could have
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been if not for the injury to Tyrese Haliburton.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Well, they got off to a quick start and that
should be noted that it looked like it was going
to be a pretty competitive final game. Haliburton unfortunately, you know,
hurts his lower leg. Obviously it was clearly an achilles.
(01:00):
I'm sure that that took place. You could see it
in the replay that the NBA showed a hundred million
times in slow motion, by the way, so once he
went out. It's interesting the Pacers actually outscored the the
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OKC Thunder in the second quarter. They actually outscored them.
The undoing of the Indiana Pacers was the sloppy play
in the third quarter, the amount of turnovers in the
third quarter, the lack of offensive continuity and rhythm in
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the third quarter was to me what the undoing was.
I mean, topping Obie got his opportunity to get in
there and play, he did nothing, you know, he did nothing,
contributed nothing on the offensive side of the ball, Maus Turner, everybody, Well,
that's that's just the true. And you would have thought
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that they would have had possibly a little bit of
an advantage just because of the athleticism and empower that
Obi top And was showing. And then you know, Miles
Turner was one who was able to get the three
ball going, was able to show a little bit of
versatility on the offensive side of the board on the ball,
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and he just couldn't find it. Another note, by the way,
that should be added into the undoing was second chance
opportunities and in some cases third chance opportunities for Oka see,
which says to me, you're getting out hustled. You know,
the couple times that they had really really bad offensive sequences,
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it was because guys were staring or collapsing down to
the ball. They weren't moving around, they weren't keeping the spacing,
they weren't making it a difficult, you know, proposition to
defend them. And okase he thunder took advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, it's game completely changed. It felt like the way,
especially with Haliburton's start.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
That we were going to get one of those.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Classic epic game seven's, and you saw the road team
come out fired up, and you just thought, man, this
is something that's going to go down to the wire.
And what's crazy is we're so educated on Achilles injuries
now from the standpoint that everybody can recognize it in
real time when it happens. And I don't know when
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that change happened or when that change occurred, but it
feels like we all know what that looks like.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
When TV cameras became HD, yeah, you know, you know
you could put stuff in slow motion the way that
they do.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
But even even seeing his reaction on the floor, you knew,
like you just knew it was the same thought.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
It was interesting that the media or the people announcing
the game, like, why are you dancing over it? It's
like people that you're interviewing, like you talk to his
dad or whatever it may be. I think somebody even
on call, you know, calling the game, actually ended up
saying it. It was like just say he ruptured as
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achilles tendon. Like I know, you didn't have the official
word on it, and it was something the kind of
waiting until they tell you officially, but you could have
you could have immediately speculated the idea that you could
tell by the way it looked that it was it
was a ruptured achilles.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I mean, I just think we all know in watching
it what that looks like now, and so we don't
need to be well, it's a it's a lower leg injury. Well, clearly,
clearly it's not an upper leg injury. Clearly it's not
an upper body injury. Tyrese Haliburton, And you can almost
see the trainer whoever came over to him, I think,
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asked him did you feel it pop? And he just
kind of was screaming I did, I did, And you
just knew.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
That was it. That was over.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And the worst part is, you know, not only is
it over for that game in that series, it's probably
over for all the next year too.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
That's a that is a brutal I mean, you would know.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
A lot office one these days. You know, acls used
to be career killers. Achilles tendons, they weren't career killers.
But it just all depended on how you adjusted and
adapted to the new the new leg, the new lower
leg that you would have after the surgery. And it
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took a really, really long time to be able to
come back. But at one point achilles were actually probably
a career a career ender or career alterer, and those
were the two you know everything else at MCLs, PCLS,
you know, meniscus, those things seemed to be more minor,
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but you toured out a interior crucie ligament that was
a career ender. And let me tell you something, the
Achilles tendon is the biggest tendon in your body. That thing,
when it goes, it is one of the most absolute
painful deals you'll ever deal with.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Man.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
It is that.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I mean, I'm a grown man and I have a
pretty high pain tolerance. It had me crying like tears,
like not like oh it hurts, but more like how
Denzel was standing there when he was getting whipped in
Glory and not one tier came out his eye and
it just went real slow down his face. Like that
type of pain, man, Yeah, that type of pain you
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don't want.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, it's I mean, it definitely changed how we viewed
that game. And what the I guess the recap and
the storyline of that game would be. But nonetheless, I mean,
there's there's a lot on the injury that we're going
to get into throughout the course of the show. But
you got to give your flowers to SGA Shake, Gilgess, Alexander,
who did speak afterwards, just about their mindset, the win,
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how they feel about the team, and what they could
possibly accomplish moving forward.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
We definitely still have room to grow, and that's the
fun part of this. So many of us can still
get better third row. It's not very many of us
on the team that are quote unquote in our prime
or even close to it. So we have a lot
of room to grow individually and as a group. And
I'm excited for the future of this team. But this
is a great start for sure. Couldn't imagine any other way.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
That's a brilliant year that he just finished off. Yes
in Oklahoma City, I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Basically enough to thrust him into being one of the
names that is mentioned as you know, as a name.
It's interesting and I know that might sound like a
crazy take, but it just seems as though when you
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talk about the names that are still driving the game,
SGA's name comes up, But do you now lead off
with SGA's name after this series, after this season, MVP season,
MVP of the playoffs, you know, or the finals? Does
this does this now propel you know, SGA into that
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conversation of being one of the main names, not not
after you give out the main names. Then he comes
right after you give out the Lebron James or the
Steph Curry's or the Kevin Durantz like those eras seemingly
are now concluding and you need those young stars to
(08:46):
step in. I mean, we've talked about Giannis at nauseum.
We've talked about Jason Tatum, even even Jaylen Brown. We've
talked about them more than we've talked about it SGA.
And maybe it's because of the the you know, the
markets that they're in, you know, but these are these
are names that have come up. You know, Joel Embiid
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and he hasn't even really you know, been too much
since since the MVP year. But I just wonder, does
this series, does this year? Does the OKC thunder season
thrust not only s g A into the main conversation
of one of the main players in the NBA, and
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and what does it do for the Thunder. You know,
this team wasn't able to get it done with KD. Harden,
you know, Serge Abaka and Westbrook, you weren't able to
get it done. And now they've been able to deliver
a first championship to the OKC Thunder. This is a
big moment for for that franchise, is a big moment
for that that town and and I would assume to
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be able to take advantage of it. This is a
big moment for the NBA as well.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
So you want to know whether or not SG is
going to become a talking point like other superstars in
the NBA, Like that's that's that's the question. Because I
have the answer, you won't say no, probably not, probably not.
And you want to know why. Because they've got to
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squeeze every last drop of the Lebron rag that they
can while they got it. Got to squeeze it. You
gotta get every every drop out. You want that thing
to be bone dry afterwards. They're just they're going to
pick at the carcass of Lebron James for as long
as they possibly can because they know that that's what
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feeds and that's and that's the way the NBA has
worked for a long time, and they're going to be
in for route awakening when Lebron James does decide to
walk away, because he really has carried the discussion and
the conversation for that league for a couple of decades now,
and they've got an opportunity. They've got an opportunity to
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promote and try and get coverage for some of these
younger stars, guys like SGA, guys like a Tatum or
a Brown last year, like, they've got opportunities, they've got
a chance here. It took them forever to finally acknowledge, hey,
maybe Indiana's pretty good. I mean, everybody just wanted to
coordinate the Knicks because they got past the Celtics with
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all their injuries, and Indiana was standing there going excuse us, like,
we're pretty good as well too, and we're going to
be the team that represents this conference in the finals.
And so if they can rally around the idea of hey,
Lebron's going to be on his way out soon, the
end is near and we're going to have to transition
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to try and find new stars and new conversations and
new talking points. If they can do that and accept that,
then they got a chance. If not, it's just going
to be great players who get a fraction of the
coverage because people don't know how to cover the newer
generation of NBA players.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's interesting. It's interesting because it probably is a very
important coat that they need to figure out how to
crack in terms of just the development of this new
age of stars. It looked like it might have been
John Morant for a moment and then he you know,
kind of shot it our way or you know, blew
(12:22):
it away, no pun intend Yeah, you know, he he
had other things on his mind.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Can I defend John Morant? Yeah? Sure.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Gunlighter sales really spiked after that video came out. There
you go, you know how many people were smoking weed
out back somewhere and they pulled out a nine millimeter
with a flame coming out of it and they probably
said thanks, like, oh God.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Keep the party going on, past the back, past the
bowl player. Yeah right, take up, no violence here, baby,
all love.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Anyway, So he kind of messed himself up off the court,
and now the conversation went away from him. It seemed
as though our guy, you know, Anthony atwards was on
the pathway of being maybe anointed the new face of
the league. But it almost seems as though he needs
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to I don't know, I don't know what they need
to do. Maybe a little bit more maturity. Maybe maybe
it's just they need the stars aligned for him. But
he needed to take it a little bit further than
what he did this year, to take a definitive step
forward to be that face. In fact, so much so
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where now you have to maybe start having the conversation
of is SGA gaining that type of momentum where he
could be looked at as possibly the face of the
n b A. I mean, you have the Tatum conversation,
but but people seem to be largely in part let
down by Jason Tatum. I mean, no fault of his
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own this year. You know, he dealt with injury during
during the playoffs, But you know who's who's the guy?
You know, out of this younger generation, it just doesn't
seem to be. I mean, Nicola Jokic and and Luca
are our guys that are being looked at as phenoms.
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Wimby's being looked at as as a phenom.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
But faces of the league. There's there's I.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Think that what we learned from the Michael Jordan era
of time and the Magic Johnson era of time was
it has to be more than just the way you
play the game. There has to be and for what
it's worth, whether you're a Lebron James supporter or you're
a detract One thing you can't take away from him
(15:03):
is he understood the value and the quality of what
it took for Kobe Bryant or a Michael Jordan or
a Magic Johnson to be able to truly be what
they became to the league. Even Steph Curry excellent, excellent approach,
excellent job and being able to build their brands outside
(15:25):
of being able to play basketball. Jonas and that that
to me, the personalities and understanding the ability to be
able to capture your audience, I almost feel like in
some way that's maybe missing. It's not as prevalent amongst
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these new new players as it once was before.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
There's also been a real I don't know if effort
is the right word, but it has felt like even
when a newer star comes along in the NBA, there's
almost like a push to find the flaw. Like with SGA, look,
people can say, well, you know, his style of play
is you know, he you know, he tries to create
(16:10):
too many fouls and he flops. Look, that may be true.
Dude's a great player. I mean he is a great player.
He was the best player in the league this year.
It doesn't mean he's the best player in the league.
I think a lot of people look at Joker and
still say he's the guy. But he just capped off
an incredible season and he won a title for that franchise.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
He said, a great year.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
But there is going to be some people that dismissed
the style of play because it's not entertaining and nobody
wants to see the fouls, et cetera. When James Harden
was averaging over thirty a game, doing something that a
couple of guys had ever done in the history of
the NBA, the knock on James Harden was, yeah, but
it's just that step back and he just throws it
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up and it what so because exactly who was going
in exactly. It's like when people would complain about Floyd Mayweather.
Oh yeah, but if you know his fights are boring,
they're boring. Oh he's boring, and it's just it's too defensive.
I don't know, seems like something work because he made
more money than anybody. And you ever heard the guy
(17:15):
talk before all his faculties, Like doesn't seem like he's
punched drunk.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
By the way, and he never lost no.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
So like like why the push to find the flaw
instead of just acknowledging. Hey, man, different strokes for different folks.
This works. That works to each their own. The shots
are going in, he's making them. He had an incredible
run and an incredible season. But sometimes we get caught
up in this. Yeah, but he doesn't he you know,
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the way he does it. You know, it's not like
it So what.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
This toxic culture? I mean, that's that's that's what drafts things.
I'm telling you. It's the craziest thing. I went up,
like I went up like four five thousand followers just
because I posted as that was considered to be controversial
to those that can't read or don't read, or don't
take the time to put things in the proper context.
(18:10):
Because that's just the way the brain works. For today's culture.
You know, the culture is toxic culture. Cringe cringe, top
cringe culture. You know, that's that's what it is. So
people people cling, and people gravitate to mean, they gravitate
to negative. You know, it's it's interesting you put up
(18:30):
a positive quote, a positive post, your your likes, and
your views significantly fall off. I got the data now.
I don't even have to say per se or I
think the data says if you put up something that
that maybe maybe has a toxic vibe to it, or
(18:52):
a you know, somebody died type deal type of vibe
to it, like watching somebody fall, like it took place
with the hot air balloon. Like you look at the
views on that, it's like a gazillion views.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Bro, take that for data. There you go, thank you.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Then you put up something like hey, get up early,
work hard, eat your breakfast, believe that you can win
the day, it'd be like one like I don't need
I don't need to hear no positivity from you. I'm
all about the negativity.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I can't die.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I'm not one to judge. I you know, I retweet
all the bad stuff. I just think it's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, but you retweet what they say, you help it.
I love trolling them too, by the way, sometimes I
make time. I love going on your posts and trolling.
That's a that's a fertile ground to go on. Oh yeah,
oh man, Yet some weirdos. You've got some good ones,
but you got some straight up weirdos that be following.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, they're eating good I got somebody under somebody dusted off.
An oldie, but a goodie. This weekend they called me
a piss ant, just one.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Of the good ones. Yeah, of the great terms of
all time.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
It is like I hadn't heard that in years one
And I think if you look up the definition, I
think we're looking it up. It means uh like worthless
or insignificant or something like that.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I believe an insignificant or contemptible person or thing. Yeah,
piss a love piss ant, and I'm reading up on
the type of ant that is. Shut up, Lee, you
piss ant. We got to start dusting lying. It's not
that we got to start dusting that off, but good hair.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
How was the freak with the vacans?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
How was that?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I'm sorry, Vegas, Sorry.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
It's hard to contain myself.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It is two pros old us there at Las Vegas,
two pros and a couple of ye here on Fox
Sports Trading. Yeah, no, invite for us, not for us.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
We were left out, like they're gonna invite a couple
of piss ants like us. And there you go. That
now it's been used correctly. The fun note about the
piss at is that it's a wood type of ant
that actually has a urine like odor. Really yeah, hence
hence the name.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
How do you get close enough to him and tell me?
Have you ever smelled an ant?
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Do you guys ever kill the sugar ants in your
kitchen with your fingers and then they smell really bad?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I hate that's weird, and that's wow. I've never heard
of an ant. I think fire your ants is the
only thing I've ever heard. Sugar ants, black ant, I've
heard it. I've heard of black at me too.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Rachel had a couple of them, that.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Is like several leg I think I got four they
forgot I hate as I hate ants with the.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Dad has three sisters, my mom has one. I have
four black ants.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Do you.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
We call them ants in Pittsburgh and some people call
them on Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I hate ants, just hate them every time. I because
here's the problem. You see one, there's five hundred just
waiting to crawl through the crack. If you see one ant,
just get ready.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Do you know if you draw lines in front of them,
they will like get all discombobulated. You ever see that
done before?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Really?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
But something about their sensory, like if you were to
draw like black lines in front of them, they'll avoid
the lines. So you could actually trap one in a
circle if you if you if you're happen to see one,
you know, crawling around the studio, just try to find
a way to get it to walk onto a white
piece of paper and then just start drawing lines on it.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Yeah. I just.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Can't stand them. Really bothered me. What about when I
got you say, really me a lot?
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I hate him?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
What about when Ozzy Osbourne was all twazzled out on
whatever he was, whatever he was using at the time,
and he got down on all fours and the fire ends. Yeah,
he snorted a row of fire ends.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
How's that guy alive? You know what I mean? Like?
Oh boy, they were alive?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, what do you think his next knees was?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Like?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I don't know, man, Like the dragon off Game of Thrones,
some catch.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Truly be taking all physical challenge for no apparent reason either.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yeah, they do I don't get it.
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Speaker 2 (24:23):
Good morning, bar Hello, Jonas Knocks, I mean otherwise known
as Drack. I got a I was thinking about you
this morning. I was all right, So I was working
out clothes on or off on. Unfortunately, all right, listen,
that could be arranged. Don't you come in here telling
(24:46):
me you was thinking about Okay, don't you do that?
So all right, So, so I was watching on television
while I was working out this morning. Was an old
NFL game. I mean we're talking Neil O'Donnell on the
(25:09):
Bengals old Oh okay, so Bengals Lions, old NFL game, yep.
And I saw some guy on a punt return get clean.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Lit out all the way lit.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
There wasn't even a thought of it being a penalty.
Well that's what people looked for. It wasn't even a
thought like literally, nobody looking around to see if the flight,
you know, a player like looks around at go all,
they're for sure going to call a flag on that.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Nothing, not even not even.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
The ten highlights you used to see back then. We're
all big hits.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I got annihilated, and there was nobody, nobody. It didn't
even occur to anybody that that could be a possibility.
Nobody could fathom that that would be a penalty. And
it was some guy getting wiped out on a punt return,
not looking Everybody wanted to see it. Yes, people still
want to see it, if they're being honest. I want
to see it.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
They showed it immediately.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I want to see dudes getting blown up. Man, we
don't want to get blown up. Don't get blown up.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
It's Rubbernecker mentality. Yeah, man, you know you like get
rd R. Yeah you got a uh you got yes,
it's true.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Not rubber neck, ah, but you you uh, you stop
to look at whatever is happening, and if there's an accident,
if there's some you know some or I try and
not watch street fights that come up on the algorithm
on Instagram or anything like that. I try not to,
(26:36):
but you almost have to watch it twice. If it's
a short reel that goes for you know, fifteen seconds,
I'm good for two of those like that'll lead up
thirty seconds of my day. And then I realized, well,
that's going to throw everything off. And you see, those
are the most viewed clips for the most part. But
it was funny because we've talked about just what the
NFL used to be, yeah, and what it is now, and.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
I'm watching that play going nobody even considered.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
There were celebrations, There was high fives, guys were guys
were you know, dapping it up. Not even a thought
that that was going to be a penalty. Different different
NFL these days.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
It was a different NFL then and it is a
different one now. But you know, evolution happens. People want
to be responsible for making the game better, leaving it
better than what they found it. And I get it.
I mean, you're you're making safety more of a priority,
you know. You know what would be even more interesting
(27:32):
to me would be to hear the back end conversations
of producers of the of the the football games, the
the gms, the coaches back then versus those conversations, Now, what.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Do you think they would add?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Oh? Bruh oh. I think it would be And and
you know what's crazy it I'll say this, It would
probably be the same way as a microcosm. You know,
football is a microcosm of the entire hole of our society.
I guarantee you it would be glaring in comparison, just
(28:16):
like normal people of today versus normal people from that
era of time. The conversations behind closed doors would be wild,
just what.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
They were, what they would allow in a game.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
With what you didn't think about, what was normal, what
was commonplace. I feel like you're made to think more
now than you ever have. And while I say thinking
is a is a wonderful thing, it isn't for everybody.
Thinking is not for everybody, you know, So it would
(28:53):
be it would just be interesting if some of the
people back in those days had to fit into these days,
and even more interesting people of these days trying to
fit back in those days. Like can you imagine kids
really don't even go outside anymore? Bro, Like we I
(29:16):
would not allow my kid outside and I live in
a dope community. Wouldn't allow her outside if she's not
if she's not monitored or inside of the gate. Oh yeah,
she's not going outside.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
We were going from Burrow to Burrow.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
We get on me and my brother, we get on
our bikes or catch the bus, and I mean we're
like what eleven what.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Do they call lock key kids or latch key latch
key kids?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, but we weren't. We weren't really latch key kids.
We just kids just moved around back then. Like it
wasn't just sitting on a device. It wasn't sitting on
your cell phone. It wasn't like you were. Life was different.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Man.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
When I take my son out because he loves baseball
and we go, literally go every day, and he's four
years old, I I've never and I mean never seen
anybody at the park when we arrived to play baseball
that we've got to like wait for them to finish
(30:24):
in order for us. Brobody's there. We had and it's summertime.
It's all throughout the year, nobody's there.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Ever, we had street games all the time. Baseball it
was woofleball, woofleball, street hockey.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
You could you could join a pickup game, like, hey,
you guys need to play.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
We used to play smear the rhymes with smear or
free for all, Free, free for all. Yeah, but the
first one was the name smear the Okay, so we
said different time, different time. I'm just saying that now.
Oh shah, they're.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Coming to get you. They coming. What you mean, We're
just gonna play this game. Dif heard worse?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Oh daily, Oh yeah, it's it's it is wild man.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
You get out there and nobody's there.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
It's just it's just so it's just this day and age,
it's just so different.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Like it's just so different. Do you realize that gym
class back in the day was it was modern. It
was it was patterned and modeled after basic training because
they were basically preparing kids to be able to go
to basic training. Like your gym class. Physical education was
(31:47):
for you literally to be getting your body in shape
and getting it acclimated to being able to do the
things that you would do if you had to go
to the military.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Wasn't there the presidential fitness stuff that you were to
test for it that was like nationwide. Yes, yeah, everyone
had to like you had to be able to pass it.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Now now, and this is the wildest thing I've ever heard.
If I remember that, this is the wildest thing I've
ever heard. You used to have to be able to
run the mouth. It was required chins and pull up yest.
I remember that, all right, But it's great. But here's
what's crazy. Here's what's crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
And like, like, these kids should be ashamed of themselves.
I ain't gonna lie, like you should be yourself. The
only guaranteed A that I knew I was going to
get in school, which Jim I knew. Jim, I count
that as an A.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
People are failing gym class must be nice. I had
to go on the gas to get a be minus.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
People are failing gym class. How okay? And when you're
able to explain that one to me, then we'll maybe
starting down the road of some of the things that
need to change in today's society. I believe progression is great.
I believe evolving is great. But some things you just can't.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
You just really can't lose the essence of what some
of these things represent. And I tell you what missing
out like not getting Everyone should get an A in
gym class. I don't care how athletic you are. It's
just the effort. People are failing. Jim, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, but they're great on an iPad though, you know
what I mean, Like, they're great. And by the way,
you can make gym class pass. You make the time
pass very easily. Just listen to us on the iHeartRadio app.
There you go, like, listen to the podcast. There's always
a way out here. I mean, gone are the good
old days when you could just call people out for
their laziness.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Oh don't you You could stay firing.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
He'd be fired, suspend it on leave, and then fire
slovenly sloppy boy. Imagine you told a kid, well, go
ahead and jump, go ahead and jump, let's go.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
I just you know, I don't know, man. Anyway, I
don't know how we got on that tangent because we
were talking about football highlights, and I saw a football
highlight of a guy getting blown up on kickoff as well. Ironically, coincidentally,
I don't know these phones and these TVs like are
studying our brain waves and all this stuff, because on
(34:33):
God the minute, I think is something that ass pops
up on my social media. I don't know how that works.
I don't know why that is, but I saw that
as well. I saw a kickoff the other day and
I posted it. I was like, imagine this was football,
you know, and it's just times have really changed, man,
Like I would say, in some instances, some cases, really
(34:56):
the only true football that you really watch anymore in
terms of the physicality of it is between linemen. Like
that's really it. And that's even that. I mean, you
gotta think when I was playing ball, and it was
way worse, like Deacon Jones and all of them. You
go back to them days with mel Blunt and all
(35:16):
of them. They were close lining people, they were head
slapping people. Deacon Jones was giving a dude concussions every
single play because he come off the ball and just
slap them in their air hole. That's why he was
getting all them sacks. People don't realize that. But when
Deeke came off the ball, he slap you in the
head right here, right your air hole, and and and
(35:36):
that was how he got around.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
He was power slapped before power slid dudes.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Dudes, Yes, it's like straight power slapping dudes didn't have
to have the ball for you to close line them.
So dudes like Mail Blunt and and uh night Train
Lane and and and you know, uh Lester from from
the Raiders, they used to run around just close lineing dudes.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Oh it wasn't wasn't his nickname Lester than Yeah's I
didn't use it though.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, well, you know because of the way he can't
but think about it. You can't even say that. You
can't even say what the tank tops are anymore. And
I always thought that I never even thought two seconds
about it saying it, and you just never thought about it.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
And you can't even say it. You gotta say tank top?
What do you mean? Wife Beater can't believe you just said,
do we have.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
To dump that? Is that a dumba bull offense. I'm
sure there's some people out there that still say it.
Probably I remember a word we used to use in
the in the playground when we were younger in grade school.
And I'll tell you what I honestly believe you could
like get a citation for saying it now as easy
(36:49):
as that that word rolled off the tongue. And I
ain't talking about the N word. I'm talking about the
F work and people used to say it and not
the one that ends with K is with a T,
and people used to say it. And and it's what's
crazy to me is how in today's culture and society,
(37:11):
how there's been such strong lines drawn and connected to
certain words where it didn't even like when we used
to say we didn't say it because of that. We
said it because it was funny, Like it was funny
to call somebody that, like you call people names like oh,
(37:33):
don't be mean.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
At school, like all right.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
You start to learn social cues, you start to learn
how to communicate and do things and whatever. But it
was like it just seemed like just like football, man,
it was just it just seemed better. It just seemed
better back then. And maybe that's what everybody says because
that's your experience growing up. But honestly, like I can't
(37:56):
sit there and look at some of these correlations, like
our as soft as hell at this.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Point if you ask me, you know, it is it
was just less complicated. There just wasn't as much. You
didn't have to always think about what could you just
did so there wasn't a well, god, you know all
of these you know, terrible things could happen, or I
could get in trouble for this, or I could do
(38:23):
and look, some of that needed to change. It's not
saying that everything was perfect, but it does feel like
people are more likely to be overly cautious. You can
find outrage and everything. Yeah, everything you do is like
I'm outraged. I'm upset that that upset me. Like it's
(38:47):
so crazy to me. Like if you take some of
these old old dudes and say, those old dudes that
owned football teams and the National Football League where the
yours of P Diddy's trial?
Speaker 4 (39:05):
What they say? Why are we even here? Why are
we here? Why are we here? What are you doing
to this? Man? I did that last night? Come on?
What it's the gar and man diaper on? Where you
think he got that idea from that?
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Any woman that's willing to take my dependence off and
go to work as a woman for me, Like, I
just I don't know, I just feel like the times
have changed so much. Man, and even though I still
get excited for football, like workout culture. It's interesting because
workout culture is very real now.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
It wasn't.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Work out culture was like limited to a few people,
and people would get excited about him, like Walter Payton,
workout dude. You know Jerry Rice, workout dude. Like there
were certain dudes and they would highlight them working out.
That's common now, that's like, it's like, oh, you don't
work out like that. You don't do specified skilled training,
(40:03):
you don't do this, you don't have a personal training,
a coach, a personal.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Coach I coached.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
I was a high school head coach and I had
a kid wasn't even that good, had a person or
had a private coach, and every time I would tell
him to do something, he referenced his coach. I'm like, well,
if you want to play on this team that's coached
(40:29):
by me, you probably should listen to the way I'm
telling you to do it. Otherwise I'm not going to
trust you to put you out there. But the kid
wasn't even throwing the ball. He was taking sacks. These
quarterback coaches teach these kids these days to take sacks
instead of throwing the ball away because it messes up there.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
QB raiding. Yeah, this is high school. Brady's talked about that, man,
protect what is it protect the rating?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
This is high school? Like, kid, this is going to
be the last time you play ball. What are you
protecting your rating for? Who are you going to tell
twenty years, thirty years from now that I had a
quarterback rating of ninety nine. Meanwhile you had three completions
for minimum yards.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
What the hell is wrong with that's incomplete? What the
hell is wrong? I don't know, man. You you sprung
it like the President saying they don't know what they're
effing doing. The SoundBite running you talking about seeing when
guys used to hit this funny man. It just it's
just it triggered something to me. I'm sorry everyone, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
I'm not sorry if I offended you because it's how
I feel. But you know, it is kind of early.
So there you go. Good morning.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
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Speaker 2 (41:56):
So, the big news that came out in the NFL yesterday.
I don't think that much of a surprise necessarily, but
it was newsworthy because it was a big time move
made by one team in the NFL. That's one of
these stable organizations we've talked about. That would be the
Baltimore Ravens. It was announced yesterday former Ravens kicker Justin
(42:16):
Tucker was suspended for the first ten weeks of the
regular season after the NFL found that he did violate
the league's personal conduct policy. This was in regard to
the allegations made against him of sexual misconduct at multiple
massage parlors in and around the Baltimore area during I
believe a four year stretch twenty twelve to twenty sixteen.
(42:37):
And look, if he were to sign with a team,
he could attend training camp, he could even participate in
preseason games, but he's not eligible to actually playing an
NFL game until November eleventh, according to the National Football League.
So it does feel like the Baltimore Ravens knew this
was the potential. Does feel like the Baltimore Ravens knew
(42:59):
that this was possibility and that we could be seeing
Justin Tucker release from the team, and so Justin Tucker,
now released, now faces a ten game suspension, one game
less than Deshaun Watson. All right, so one game less
for anybody keeping score on this, it's a lot of
football games.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Again, I would be surprised if I see him, especially
this upcoming season. I'd be surprised if you saw him back.
I just don't think you say winning games outweighs it.
I don't think it does. I think it's a bad look.
I think the fact that you're bringing him in, if
you brought him in after he finished his suspension, I
(43:43):
think you open yourself up to criticisms that and scrutiny.
That's just it's not necessary. It's not needed. Hall of
Fame kicker, pretty dang good, good ballplayer in his prime.
But is it worth the headache? I I just don't
see how it is now.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
John Harbad, the Ravens head coach, in discussing this earlier
this offseason, explain the reasoning behind the release. If you remember,
they drafted a kicker this past year before they announced
the release of Justin Tucker, which I think was the
beginning of the end. But John Harbaugh had this to
say when it came to the decision.
Speaker 8 (44:20):
It was a complex decision making process, and you know
you're I'm a part of it, Eric Sashi, Ozzie Steve
is a big part of those kind of decisions. I mean,
you're talking about, you know, arguably the best kicker in
the history of the game. You know, And like we said,
it's multi layered, it's complicated, but you've got to in
the end, it all backs up. It all comes back
(44:41):
to what you have to do to get ready for
your team to play the first game. And I think
if you step back and you take a look at
all the issues and all the ramifications, you can understand that,
you know, we've got to get our football team ready
and we've got to have a kicker ready to go,
and that was the move that we decided to make.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
All right, He said absolutely nothing in that well, because
I think I think they've what the Ravens have done,
I think is be kind to Justin Tucker and said
all the right things because they probably recognized Listen, the
guy went through a little bit of a creepy, weirdo period.
But the guy that we know maybe since that time,
(45:21):
is a different player that along with he struggled a
little bit last year, we got to move on. So
I think they've been kind. They didn't they haven't aired
him out in public, or they haven't you know, made
an example of him and all that. And so John
Harbaugh seemingly did that as well too. But one of
the things that he did mention there was, you know,
arguably one of the greatest kickers of all time. So
(45:42):
I just wonder when it comes to a discussion about
him as a Hall of Famer, like say, for example,
Justin Tucker gets picked up by a team, he is
a he is eligible to play again, you know, in November.
But say a team's like, man, we don't want to
deal with that in season. We don't want to deal
with the drama, don't want to deal with the blowback
or having these conversations, because the only reason you're signing
(46:04):
Justin Tucker during the year would be if you've got
a problem at the kicker position anyways, and to welcome
in more dysfunction at a position and more conversation and
more drama to a position that you've already got drama in,
which is why you're even in the market for a
kicker at that point that late in the year, maybe
isn't the best fit. But next offseason, I could see
(46:26):
a team kicking the tires on Justin Tucker and saying,
let's give him a shot. He's one of the best
kickers of all time. My question would be this, say
he goes and he plays for another team, and clearly
it's not going to be Baltimore, and it's not going
to be Cleveland because they've already got too many and
definitely not going to be New England because Robert Kraft
doesn't want the reminders. If they were to bring in
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Justin Tucker and he finishes out his career at a
high level like he was for majority of his career,
does this ten game suspension impact him being a Hall
of Famer? Because I think it would, and I don't
know that it would for maybe another position outside of
(47:08):
you know, punter, and but I could see this being
a make or break for a position that doesn't have
a lot of Hall of Famers, And that's.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
A good point. The last point is a good point.
There's not very many specialists hall of famers, So it
wasn't going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer either,
you know so, and that wasn't going to be based
upon anything other than that's just not it's just not
a high profile position for the Hall of Fame. And
with that being said, when you have something like this
(47:40):
take place, it one hundred percent damages your image and
whether there was a if there was a conviction, it's
an absolute no. Without this going to trial and it
becoming a legal thing and all that that come along
with it, he settles this out of court and never
(48:04):
sees the light of day. He's going to be a
Hall of Famer. It's just a matter of when, and
it'll be far removed from from anyone possibly even really
remembering who Justin Tucker is, let alone remembering some of
his transgressions off of the field.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, I just look at it because this is one
of the things that we mentioned yesterday about Robert Craft
and him being at Fanatics Fest and talking about how
the last two years or the worst of his time
and all that, and one of the the thoughts on
why he's not in the Hall of Fame when a
guy like Jerry Jones is, when he's got double the
amount of Super Bowls as Jerry Jones is, do people
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who are voting for the Hall of Fame look at
what happened with Robert Craft in Jupiter, Florida at the
orchids of Asia? And do they look at that and
is that why they've decided not to put him in
the Hall of Fame because it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
And that's what we do know. That's what the public
does know. You and I both know. There are a
lot of things that you know. People close to situations
like that that know one another and have built relationships
through the year years, they may have more knowledge and
more color on everything on a lot of things that
(49:25):
take place that the general public isn't privy to. There
are a lot of things that I know specifically that
I would never talk about on air. And so if
you're one of those people, it doesn't mean I don't
judge them. And I hate to say that I'm a
judger at times. I do judge at times. It is
(49:47):
what it is for me. I feel how I feel
about things. But there are people that I know things
about that could ruin their entire image and ruin their
entire reputation. And if that truth ever came out, and
I don't ever talk about it and I don't get
involved in it, but I do look at that person
(50:08):
or those people in particular, and I do not have
what it would would have used to have been a
healthy affinity for him and respect. I don't have any
of that. And you just live in that. And so
when you know things a certain type of way because
you're in it and you're around it, and you meet
the same people, and you're around the same people and
(50:30):
the information circulates from time to time, you know, that's
what you live in. And so to me, you know,
asking the question, does this impact Pat?
Speaker 6 (50:41):
Pat?
Speaker 4 (50:42):
My guy? Not Pat because he's the guy, he's the man.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
But Bob is Bob Kraft, Bob Kraft, Robert Kraft, Robert Krabt.
If it's impacting him getting in Bobby orchids, is there's
something there's I'm gonna just say this, and I'm gonna
say it confidently, just knowing the things that I have
seen with my own two eyes. There are things that
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people are aware of about Robert Kraft that make it
make it difficult to vote on man. There's got to be,
because there's no other reason why he would not be
at his age, there's no re in as long as
he's been around, there's no reason for him to not
be inducted into the Hall of Fame by.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Now, and apparently that's a real that really burns his
ass that he's not a Hall of Famer, that he's
not like he's really pushed for it. The fact that
Jerry Jones got it before him bothers him, according to
it to people close to Robert Kraft, because those two
don't necessarily see eye to eye all the time. But
like there's yeah, there's got to be more too, but
(51:50):
it is. It's just interesting how those moments people keep
score and yet you look at other players in the
in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and there's stuff
that that was out on all of them. Like, look,
Ben Roethlisberger is going to be a Hall of Famer,
no doubt about it, no question whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
Damn he had some stuff going on earlier in his career.
Speaker 3 (52:10):
You get there's a list, like there's a few dudes
in that Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
There's a list. It's just like, let's be clear, there's
there's a list.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
You pick and choose which are well, we could look
the other way, or he was so great that that
we're fine with that. It's like Robert Kraft, guys won
six Super bowls.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
I haven't listened to an R. Kelly song since everything
came out?
Speaker 4 (52:38):
What came out?
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Everything? Oh pause? I mean anyway, But some people listen
to R. Kelly and they'll tell you, I don't get
involved with R Kelly the person that's locked up. I
just enjoy R Kelly's music for what it's worth, that
face value. I can't do that. I don't know why.
(53:03):
Maybe it's because I have daughters. I don't know, but
I can't do it. I've never listened to R Kelly
after everything came out. So some people can separate the two.
Some people can't. And when you can't, you base your
judgments and you're showing a.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Favor or lack thereof based off of how you're you feel.
Speaker 4 (53:29):
And I also think, like I can separate the two.
I don't.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
I don't look at any professional athlete like a role
model or anything like that. I don't base my life
around you know, that's the example I want to live.
I said this earlier this week. I think everybody's got
a little bit of scumbag in them. It just depends
on how often it comes out. And some people let
it out and let that out of the cage. A
little bit more than others. Some people keep it pretty
(53:54):
closed up. I just think while I can compartmentalize the
player from the stuff off the field, I totally understand.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
How some people can't.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
And once you put your fate in somebody else's hands,
like for example, Justin Tucker or potentially robber Craft, that
that's why he's not in the Hall of Fame. Once
you do that, yeah, you can't pitch about it.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
When you was laying down on that table and he
was telling him to do more, you have been thinking
about that hall of fame.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
You just can't.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
You can't think of it like you can't complain about
it like that.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
I just I tend to believe that when you say
hall of fame, and I'm in a hall of fame,
I just for me, I feel as though I have
to be responsible over first and foremost my own brand,
me personally, what Errington means a name I was given
(54:51):
before I even knew who I was. I'm defending, I'm building,
I'm growing, and I am protecting the reputation of my
family name. And that's I'm very prideful about that. So
when I make decisions, I make decisions cautiously and I
make decisions knowing that, you know, any one moment I
(55:14):
was just having this conversation with man Man yesterday, any
one moment can take away a lifetime of.
Speaker 4 (55:21):
Hard work to build the right reputation.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
And it's unfortunate that some people just go overboard, like
you can have fun. Nobody's saying you got to be
a hermit, you can't do anything. You can have fun.
You can have your fun, but you got to understand
what you know when no means no, You got to understand,
you know, social cues, different things that maybe some of
(55:49):
these guys just don't seem to feel like they need
to have that as an asset or skill or something
that's a part of you know, what they bring to
the table.
Speaker 4 (56:01):
And you make these decisions.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
And I honestly believe some of the people that make
these decisions are fully unaware of how egregiously out of
pocket they are because they're that out of touch with reality.
I honestly believe that, Like when Deshaun Watson says he's
he's innocent, I believe he honestly believes that based off
(56:25):
of his vision of the world. But with that being said,
when things like what came out on him, come out
with things that came out on Robbercraft that came out.
When it comes out and it's discussed and it's public
domain and it's knowledge, the one thing that the public
is going to do is give an opinion, and one
(56:45):
of those opinion is going to become popular public opinion.
And if you're not looked upon positively as a Hall
of famer, how can you be selected and put into
such hollow ground knowing that something not good, not glowing,
(57:06):
not flattering about you, and in fact landed you in
legal trouble. How are you supposed to be putting them
in the Hall of Fame when most cases you'll say
that's infamy, not famous, that's infamous. So to me, I
(57:28):
think it does become a hard sale to put a
person into the Hall of Fame that doesn't have a
good reputation both on and off the field, because you
are an ambassador, you are the ultimate ambassador to the game.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
And there's also the look and this could go down
a whole rabbit hole of Major League Baseball and how
you know they're parameters for getting into the Hall of Fame,
which is just a joke, it's just but yeah, those
people have the power to determine how you're viewed from
a legacy standpoint, but you have the power to determine
(58:04):
what they choose to look at from your conduct. And
for some people, some people, you know, a little bit
reckless out there. So but we will a little bit,
we'll see, we'll see what happens when it comes to
the case of judge. Some of the most touched people
are you know, are hall of famers.
Speaker 4 (58:24):
Which is the appropriate word for this topic. Oh, there
you go.
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