November 18, 2025 • 52 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys talk about Pete Carroll and the Raiders continuing to struggle in a loss to the Cowboys on MNF, James Franklin getting hired by Virginia Tech, Dean Blandino joins the show, and more!
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Speaker 5 (00:57):
Joanna see what change the song? It's too much, man,
it's too much. Take a baseball batch of someone's car?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
How is it legal? I sent that that sent that
video to you guys yesterday that it was like this
big ass concert and the dude like started the music.
Oh yeah, he started the music and then you just
saw massive humanity. Just how is that legal? How is
(01:29):
machh pitting of that? Of that? How is mash pitting
period legal?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Like?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
How are you able? I'm going to a concert today,
I'm putting on these horned rings, I'm putting on my
leather jacket, I'm putting on my chucks. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
It was that serious?
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Oh yeah, it's called the Wall of Death?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
What yeah, that's crazy. How is how is that legal? Coop?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Do you know that metal?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Yeah? How is that legal?
Speaker 6 (01:58):
It's just when when two sides of the out just
just run at each other and just bamn?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yes, yeah, how's that legal? That's awesome? How is it legal?
I mean that's just noble. Do you like crawl through
people's legs? If you've ever done that? Like, how do
you do it?
Speaker 7 (02:12):
Like?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Do you really like be punching and kicking hit button?
Speaker 8 (02:17):
So?
Speaker 6 (02:17):
I mean, to be fair, I've never done a Wall
of Death, but when I get in the mosh pit
or like the circle pit, my goal is to just
try and not try and stay on.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
My feet die. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
Yeah, because if I don't stay on my feet, death,
death is possible.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
You know, you're just the ground.
Speaker 9 (02:34):
You're not the biggest ya, No, I am not, So
why would you go do it? Yeah? What what's the
point there?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Like if I were in a mosh pit, I would
be playing dodgeball with you. It makes me feel a
lot anymore there any more? Like this one ball over
together the floor?
Speaker 9 (03:00):
Well, is your fight or flight? Not coming to play pair?
Like kick in? Like I feel like you've missed out
some national instincts. No, I mean I don't.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
It's one of the only areas in my life where
i've you know, do done well.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
But this is what I'm curious though, This is what
I'm curious though.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
On the set of Liar Liar, did somebody say, hey,
check out this Slayer song and you were just hooked
from there?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Like how do you even get involved in the world.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
No, it wasn't until uh, until I started high school
that I got like into heavier music.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
But but you should.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
You should note that people in the moshpit, especially like
a circle pit, they're all very nice people.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Like if you get knocked, if you get knocked down out. Yeah,
they're running over to help. Yeah, push back out there?
What are you doing?
Speaker 9 (03:51):
I've run over to pick everyone up. Yeah, I'm the
nice guy.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
They all do that, I really really do.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
It's weird.
Speaker 9 (03:58):
Hey bro, you got your ass kick dear, let me
help you up. Hold on elbow to the face.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
That's what I would think, like you kick him out
it down? Yeah, you're moshpitting. You don't have like, you
don't have pleasant trees and motts mosh pitting.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
You gotta see them.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
You got to see the one from Woodstock ninety nine
when Corn played the mosh pit, there was like.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
A duringk blind.
Speaker 9 (04:24):
Jonas, you're a fan, but you've never been in one.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I can guarantee that my ass.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I haven't been in one.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Oh stop, your body would fall I've told, I've told
the story.
Speaker 9 (04:32):
Would cap would pop out.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I was in a Slayer mosh pit and wiped out
some guy.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
That was at least three bills. I mean, I hurt
my shoulder, but you still got a good licking.
Speaker 9 (04:43):
Why don't we allow it? Jonas to lie to everyone?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
I mean, and he really be hyping it too.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Why why would you think I would lie about that?
Speaker 9 (04:54):
Because you lie about a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
No, I don't lie about a lot like like you
creating the Manzi bolanos Uh song, Oh yeah that was
a lie. You didn't do that.
Speaker 10 (05:04):
That was creative, but definitely evidence that you're the one
that was Can we use the evidence?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
What I don't have evidence?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
What do you talk? Oh there's evidence, there's evidence.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
What you're talking about?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Oh there's evidence?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Well, there was some evidence of some bad football teams
last night.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I say that, Look.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Right, there was the team.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I would say Dallas's offense is good. I still I
think maybe their defense they've improved. They've improved, Quinn Williams.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
You just don't know. Because the Raiders thing.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
The Raiders are so much worse.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I thought so bad and by all, by all accounts,
shouldn't Pete Carroll by judge the same way a p
was judged last because it kind of looks the same
to me. Kind of looks the same to me, like
it's going to take a build. Yeah, and a quarterback
by the way, sorry Geno, or offensive line that can
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protect him. I mean he didn't have very much time.
But still, I don't know. They look bad. That's all
I'm gonna say. And they made Dallas look good, which,
by the way, why shouldn't they look good. You got
maybe the best receiver tandem in all of the NFL.
You got a quarterback that's playing out a high pretty
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high level, and now you add quinnin to the defensive side.
I mean, the linebacker isn't bad. It's his name fifty
five or whatever linebacker that that they got from. Where
they get him from?
Speaker 9 (06:47):
Who come out, Marris Lufa is thirty five?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Thirty five? No, no, no, no, the new one that
they just from Cincy.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
He wasn't bad. I think Jerry Jones is probably happy
with the way his team looks right now. If I
were Jerry Jones, I would be happy with the exception
of maybe a few positions that I feel like I
want to upgrade. But the potential of what this Dallas
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team could be is there. I will say that I
don't know. I'm not going to get carried away about
them being any better than what they were in the
game they were in last night against the opponent they
were against. I won't go too much further from that
because I don't know if it's applicable to better teams.
But they have. They got a schedule coming up, and
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we'll find out how good they are in these next
few games. That they were pretty much the rest of
the way, I believe, So we'll see. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I just I'm watching and I've said it before, but
every time I see the Raiders, they look like they
get worse.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Like there's no.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
You don't see any sort of a cent or any.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Sort of trying to blow a balloon up that has
a small hole. Yeah, like understand, won't won't hold the air.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
It's just getting worse by the by the by the game.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And it was you know, we saw Geno Smith on
you know, was it a Thursday night game, And I'm like,
all right, well that looked pretty bad. But at least
he wanted to stay in there and got it out
and you know, kind of work through it. And it's like,
all right, well, you know, it's admirable. And and every
game I just come away going, wow, they're they're even
worse than they were last game. And I just I
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don't know what my expectations were for them. I didn't
think that they were a playoff team, but I just
thought that they would be further along than this, and
they're nowhere close, and it just seems like Pete Carroll's
aging by the game the way this season's gone, and they.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Just don't have what they need on the roster. I
will continually keep this. Gino Smith's in a really really
tough position. And whether it's a lack of protection or
a lack of weapons, I mean, I think about this
like Bowers obviously as they're leading, you know, receiver at
tight end, he was out for a period of time,
like when you didn't have him, you don't have anything,
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and he is that chess piece that that's a true
difference maker, but you have to have more. And when
the run game's not there with Jenty like last night,
it's just there's not really much you can do. And
that's the tough spot that Geno's in, the Raiders offenses in,
and really it's putting the defense in. Is they're gonna
get outscored most games and there become one dimensional most games.
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Like it's not hard to take away Bowers and then
they have to kind of figure out what they're gonna
do after that. So if they can't run the football
and they can't add in or sprinkle in some of their.
Speaker 9 (09:48):
Pieces, like I just sprinkle. But think about it like
that is a tough spot to be in.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
I just called a game where you basically had for
each team a number one wide receiver and then maybe
some guys trying to compliment. It's just that those are
not gonna be teams that are gonna be consistently successful
in the NFL.
Speaker 9 (10:08):
It is such a matchup driven league.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
If you don't have a guy that forces teams to
try to match up, teams to do something different, it's
it's it's gonna be a long season.
Speaker 9 (10:22):
And it's gonna take time to get to that point.
And then Raiders just don't have that.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
And so to your point about Antonio Pierce, you know,
should she's still been there would have been different.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
I'm not behind you know, those doors, And yeah, I
don't know how they're trying to build stuff. I'm not
I don't I don't know if it would have been
any different. You know, maybe they should have kept ap,
but it isn't any different this year. That's that's yeah,
that's what I'm saying. It's like like like who knows, Yeah,
it's not even different. But I do know this, Like
they need to give whoever's there. Sometime it doesn't matter.
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If it's AP doesn't matter, I it's Pete Carroll. This
roster is not set up to win right now.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yes it's not.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Yeah, I mean we can spend a segment on this game.
But that's how irrelevant that game was last night, if
we're being honest, if we're being real, was a ton
to talk about. So that's the kind of ass kicking that.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
It was last night.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It's just more about again the question of what is Dallas.
I think that's the biggest question I come away with, Like, Okay,
that was an impressive win. You see what it can
be with guys like Pickens and with Lamb. I mean,
I thought they were phenomenal last night. I mean, I mean, well, but.
Speaker 9 (11:36):
There's one thing to talk about.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
God.
Speaker 9 (11:38):
Well, okay, so pickings of LAMB don't go out the
first series.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Yeah, and they breezed over it too, by the way,
I mean they mentioned it, they showed them, but they
breezed over it very quickly. By the way.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Can we be real, like this isn't high school assistant college?
Like that doesn't bother players? I mean, it looks bad.
They'll have to talk about it or answer to it.
Speaker 9 (12:01):
You find the guy.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
They're pros now if you want to punish him, you know,
find those guys, don't not put them in the first
series and then potentially against another team, you know, have
a close game where you could have used them and
you lose. Like you sitting out Piggins and Lamb for
that first series, it impacts everyone else. And that's that's
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always been my way of looking at punishing an individual
for their whatever they did. Like you sit them out,
you're hurting ever, the coaching staff, the organization, every other
player on that team. It's not feared all those people.
And maybe you say, well, that's you know, part of it,
because then everyone's going to be mad at them and
help keep them accountable. It's like, well, dude, find them,
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that's what they would care most about. You know you can,
You've you've got the ability to do that within the CBA,
and that's usually going to deter players from doing whatever
they did to be in that spot in the first place.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
But then he was glazing them though they came out
the halftime. Hey, you didn't play your guys. That glazed
them up. It was glazing.
Speaker 9 (13:07):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
That means he was just talking. He was hyping them
like he was talking, so you know, he's talking so
complimentary of them, and yeah, he just moved right on
like they sat out for the first few few plays.
That is not Yeah, those guys are amazing. This that glazing,
you know, like a Glades don'nuts. You want to hear
blazed donuts always better.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You want to hear the Yeah, I mean, I'm just
sa you want to hear the guy lavarc calls the
glazer Brian Schottenheimer. Like here he was talking about Benching
Pickens and CD Lamb for the first.
Speaker 9 (13:40):
It's tough, you know, made a coach's decision.
Speaker 11 (13:44):
There were some things that were missed, and so I
had a conversation with those guys and that was easy.
But I mean, if you look at the energy those
guys play with, you know, Clarence are like you know,
they literally they jump started the offense when they got
back in there. They didn't hang your heads, they didn't
do any that stuff.
Speaker 9 (14:01):
And that's why I love those guys.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Man Glazer, that's glazing. What he did at the end,
that's glazing. They were inspired. I'm just trying to keep
you all up to speed on what the young I
don't want to be well, I just figured I still
keep you all on games.
Speaker 9 (14:16):
I'd rather it sound like Chinese to me. I really
don't care to.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Just in case that's glazing.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
My girls come home and say that phrase, I'll just
literally rip away every toy they've ever had.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
You're saying that, but when you hear it, you're going
to be like, I don't know what glazing means. Go nuch. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm just saying. You know, I hear it, so I
gotta be I'm not immune to it. So I hear
it from a ten year old and from soon to
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be twenty year old and to eighteen year olders, and
damn yeah, so I hear the college terminology and how
it I am slanged it, you are slang in it.
And I have one adult who likes to talk like me,
you know, we speak more on an adult level. But yeah, glazing,
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and that's what it was. And listen, okay, And I'm
assuming it's a meeting right like we saw. I saw
the report on abdul Carter. I saw I saw the
report on the guy to talk about that, the guy
from uh, the receiver from the Bills. They didn't even
dress him because he missed a meeting. I just this
(15:34):
new age, this new age athlete, man, they just don't.
I think their parameters have been, you know, moved. I
think the standard, the line of expectation has has moved
somewhere else. And I don't I don't know. I just
don't know. And and just to hear the fact that
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that the report said that day Ball was tolerant of
him being late for meeting and stuff like that, like
that's a that's aheard of he was What do you
mean it's unheard of. That's unheard of for people to
be tolerant of God's.
Speaker 9 (16:08):
Come on, man, Bill Parcelsiers do that LT? Yeah, you
never heard that LT story.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
It's always one.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
L T treatment.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
There's always the one, one guy, the one guy that
takes who they are and they take it to the
outer limits of being that type of person that Lawrence
Taylor was and can get away with it. Well, he
did ask for his number. So the most, the the
more do not have those types of that they treat. Yeah,
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they don't have that.
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Speaker 4 (18:08):
Penn hold on, now hold on, sorry, well yeah, I
mean it is kind of I mean, nothing against my
guy because he was the man, but man, he got
that job because of his job at Penn State.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
So he was owed forty nine million dollars in the
buy out after Penn State fired him, but as part
of his deal with Virginia Tech, ESPN reported he's getting
a nine million dollar settlement from Penn State. James Franklin
hired by Virginia Tech the quote, I'm honored and humbled
to join.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
The Hockey family.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
My vision is simple to restore unmatched excellence, to build
something that lasts, and to serve this university, the Commonwealth
of Virginia, and our amazing fan base with honor, integrity,
and passion. I look forward to getting to work with
our players, our staff, and the entire Virginia Tech community.
James Franklin has found a home again.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Congrats, yeah, congrats. What what are they in the ACC?
Speaker 9 (19:05):
They're in the ACC.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
That's where ACC should be on notice.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
Man, the Big East.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I think, yeah, they should.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
It's wild to think how this program, how good it was.
Speaker 9 (19:17):
I mean, like when we were coming.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Up, man, And I don't know if you felt this
way too, back when they were in the Big East.
This was I mean Frank Beemer job. He did have
a special teams legendary like the whole thing. Even when
I was, you know, coming when I was in you know,
in high school and college, like this was one of
the powerhouses.
Speaker 9 (19:37):
This was a team that won double digit games year
and year out. Yeah. So it's it's just it's weird.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Now there's been a generation because probably since Beamer left
and maybe even at the end of Beamer's tenure, there
really hasn't been a guy to bring in that run
of success like they've experienced under Frank Beamer. And I
think James for Franklin could get him back to that.
Like as far as if you can take him altimately
to the Promised Land. It seems like an uphill battle.
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But again we uh, you never know. I mean, we've
got a lot of a lot of different schools that
haven't been in the mix are now in the mix
for college football. So it's it's it's fun to see
the parody.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
He is in the heart of a heart. What is
it called a a hot bid is what I'm looking
for of talent the Tidewater area of Virginia, like the
Norfolk area, Hampton, Hampton Roads, Richmond, the more centralized part
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of Virginia, you know, with the Huguen knots and shouts
out to my man coach Charles, Charles. Let me let
me tell you something. The amount of talent that that
circulates from the Baltimore corridor ofware to all the way
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down into North Carolina. Those are the places that James
Franklin has thrived in and recruiting the hell out of players,
not to mention his ability to be able to get
that one or two four star hot you know, high
rated guy from different areas around the country. You know
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some parts of California, you know parts of Florida, you
know parts of Texas, or even some places down in
the deeper South like Alabama or certain places like that.
He's going to be a problem for He's going to
be a problem, I'll tell you that. And he's going
to bring in athletes because that's what he does. He's
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going to have probably to Q's point, it's going to
be easier to get to Blacksburg. It's there's I think
the recruiting for him will be a lot more centralized
and easier than what it probably was for him in
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state college at Penn State. So I think, I mean,
it's a great get.
Speaker 8 (22:11):
It is.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I mean, if I'm Virginia Tech, I am crazy a
static that I was able to get a coach of
his caliber to come in this day and age to
come to our school and coach. I would have thought
he might have held out and waited for maybe a
bigger job opening to come before making that decision or
(22:32):
going to Virginia Tech. But I mean, if you look
at it from a very critical perspective, I can't even
imagine how many guys are probably going to end up
leaving Penn State to go to Virginia Tech. There may
be some guys that are at other schools that may
end up leaving there that were recruited by James Franklin
before may not be in the happiest of situations. Are
(22:53):
going to go to Virginia Tech. He's going to ramp
up pretty quickly. I would be shy if he did
not ramp up very quickly soon as he gets in
there and the transfer portal opens.
Speaker 9 (23:07):
So a few thoughts from my side on this thing
with with with James Franklin.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
You know, he he struggled to win those big AP
rank games, and what's interesting about that is a lot
of those games came down to tight you know, fourth
quarter end of game scenarios or situations, and I always
thought he didn't manage it overly. Well, I feel like
(23:35):
you're gonna be planning a lot of tight games at
Virginia Tech every single week. And if that's the case,
it's a little bit of a concern. Like I, I know,
James Franklin can recruit, he's a good man, he's a
good he's a good guy, good coach. That is the
one thing that I kind of look at as a
bit of a flaw from his time at Penn State
(23:56):
that I do wonder how that will play out at
Virginia Tech. I also I'm wondering this, I mean he
recruited really well at Penn State. I do think he'll
be able to recruit well or at least better than
what they've had at Virginia Tech. But in a day
and age where you're everyone's kind of getting paid, you know,
you have to wonder what the collective situation looks like
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at Virginia Tech, what additional funds they have that gives
them an advantage over other teams in the ACC. I
do think he's got to strike fast. I mean, this
is an ACC that's got Florida State down, Miami's up.
But when you look at the programs that you're in
competition with, I think you can you can compete if
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you just handle that local area kind of like you're
talking about right, Like they don't. He doesn't need to
really go outside of Virginia or the DMV like that
that area of the country to be able to field
a team and be really successful. Like I also think
this probably hurts teams like Maryland. Oh yeah, Like like
Mike Loxley has his work cut out from now because
he's got another coach in there who knows how to
recruit the area and gonna make it even harder for
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you know, those sort of mid tier, bottom tier, you know,
big ten conference teams that are trying to you know,
find some of those recruits Rutgers, et cetera.
Speaker 9 (25:07):
So there's there's that element of the conversation.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
I'm going to throw this question out there, and I
need Jonas to respond first, because you're too close to
the situation LeVar, and I don't know what if you can,
But the question is, are you surprised Jonas that Virginia
Tech has found their new head coach in James Franklin
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before Penn State found their next head coach, given that,
they kind of obviously made the decision, and it felt
like when they made the decision to fire James Franklin,
they probably had a singular person in mind.
Speaker 9 (25:45):
It wasn't just like, hey, let's move on and start anew.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, I would have thought that given given the job
and given the unmet expectations and the buyout, and I
would I would have assumed you made a move with
the understanding you at least had a pretty good idea
who would be the next guy in the door.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
And here we are. Who's to say they don't.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
Why is he hired?
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Now? I mean there might be a valid reason as
to why is not hired.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
Now, what would be the valid reason?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I would most likely say the valid reason would be
to get through the season. That that would be. That
would be my valid reason. Like you're you're now hitting down.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
And you're narrowing your pool to coaches who are still coaching.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I don't. All I'm saying is you allow for Terry
Smith to have the opportunity to finish out the year
with a level of buy in from and an opportunity
for the players to not feel like something is getting
brought their way.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Why didn't they just let James Franklin finish out the year?
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Then it's a great question. I think I have the
answer to it, But I don't know that I had
the answer to it, and I don't want to misrepresent myself.
Why not in the scenario? So that's his show is
all about we miss.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
He doesn't want to allow it to say anything.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
I feel like I can openly say stuff because I'm
not a part of reservice he has.
Speaker 9 (27:29):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
I would not describe their coaching search as one that
had a singular person in mind, or that in one
individual in mind. Maybe they had you know, a few
people on a short list. But from what I have
been able to ascertain, they have casted a wider net
than I thought following James Franklin's firing, given some of
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the conversations that have been had with prospective.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
Candidates, I'll leave at that.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Okay, Yeah, I.
Speaker 9 (28:00):
Mean, I mean, and I've talked with two.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Okay, I feel good about what you throw out there.
I mean, that's good perspective.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Well, but I also think things got probably complicated for
a lot of potential candidates when Florida came open, then LSU,
and it's like this whole thing hit. And by the way,
what I find most interesting about the timing of when
firings have taken place this season is October seventh was
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like a line of demarcation where if you made it
past that date, you were now under a different rule.
Your players could not transfer immediately. That's how it worked
before October seventh. That's why Oklahoma State had a bunch
of players who went to the transfer portal because they
were grandfather.
Speaker 9 (28:54):
Claused into the old rule. And the old rule was if.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Once your coach was fired, a thirty day win opened
up for any player to basically leave and enter the
transfer portal and go elsewhere. So, for example, there is
a son to someone who works on the crew of
Big newon Kickoff and he was grandfather claused into that,
so you know, we were kind of talking about this
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and he's going through his different visits. If it was
after October seventh, you can't leave. You either have to
wait for the next transfer portal window or they have
to hire the next head coach. And so now that
for example, in the case of Virginia Tech, players, now
that the decision has been made to hire James Franklin,
there will be a fifteen day period where James Franklin
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can go in there, he can meet with all the players,
talk to all the players. After that fifteen day period,
there's a five day window where those players can choose
to transfer or hit the transfer portal and go elsewhere.
So the reason why I said that is because I
do think that some teams have been more patient and
firing their head coach. And I also think there's been
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a little more hesitancy or maybe patients in hiring the
next guy because they want to make feel like they
sure they've got the right guy. But also they have
a lot of things that are all in the works,
that are together. So when he gets there, he could
kind of hit the ground running a bit with at
least retaining some of the players that are on the
ross they want to retain.
Speaker 9 (30:26):
That is that the fairest way of putting it.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
It's a great way of putting it. It's a good way,
great way, strong way. Yeah, Yeah, there's something, there's validity
to that. I just I think you mentioned you hit
it when you said want to be thorough and the approach.
You don't want to leave any stones unturned, and you
want to make the best decision that you can possibly
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make and be proud about it. Yeah. I think Pat
Kraft is very, very aware of the fact that he
was not on the clock with James Franklin.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
How real was the Matt Rule interest? Q? I'm asking
you ask me.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
I was making a point. You want to ask me
about Matt Rule. Matt Rule got an extension that note Nebraska.
I don't know anything about Matt Rule coming to Penn State.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
I would I would say this. It was real enough
where he got an extension at Nebraska. I mean, it's
not like I could sit here and say, hey, hey,
Penn State's looking at me, guys, and Fox Sports Radio
comes and gives me an extension writer or or you know,
gives you a pay bump. There's there's other coaches who
I would say him specifically.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
You could go, maybe you could throw one more out there,
got an extension, you could throw one more and and
and for what it's worth. I mean you could possibly
be like, huh, what what was going on on? You know,
Notre Dame. Maybe Notre Dame might have not wanted there guy,
and and maybe he might have become a possibility. You
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just never know. You just never know because this ledscape
just you don't know what's gonna happen if they win
in Pitt or if they don't win in Pitt. You know,
with the game they have, I mean, what is that?
What type of bearing does that have? You just don't know.
You don't know what directions. Some universities may go in.
And then somebody comes available that maybe mighta not have
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came available that maybe you were interested in, maybe you weren't,
who knows, But I mean the season, the season kind
of unfolds in a way where it could give you
options that you might have not even previously had be.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and Jonas
Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
It's two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas knocks with the air coming
up in I don't know twenty minutes from now it's
the leftovers. But right now we'll welcome in Dean Blandino,
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Fox Sports NFL College Football Rules Analyst. Get him on
x at Dean Blandino and show him the respect he deserves. Dean,
good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 8 (33:22):
Dean, Good morning, guys, good morning morning.
Speaker 9 (33:25):
Never morning, Dean, good morning.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
Gets old.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
No, never.
Speaker 8 (33:31):
Can I start though, I got to start with something.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Come on, what's all now?
Speaker 8 (33:35):
Col I am? I am watching the new season of
one of my guilty pleasures shows, Selling Sunset on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
And I'm watching and my man LeVar shows up looking
at some twenty million dollar real estate with his beautiful
wife and my favorite on the show, Brie, and I
am just I'm like, are you kidding me? LaVar? That
was you? Are you were really? You were up there
for me? Now you're like, now you're Tom Brady level.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Oh wow, wow, thanks Dean. I appreciate that. And you
should see the view we ended up uh settling in on.
Actually it's actually better than the one from the show
is Yeah, it is actually so.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
But you you like doing the affirmations in the mirror everything?
It was awesome, It was awesome.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Yeah, you got to do your affirmation, bro, thank you,
thank you, thank you for that.
Speaker 9 (34:32):
I know the affirmations are going to make today show.
Yeah they are.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Well, some of us don't need them like you, you know,
because he wakes up looking the way he looks and
all that stuff, Dean.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
So yeah, some of us don't have to reassure ourselves.
You know, we're not six for I was gonna say,
I'm not the type of guy that looks at the
mirror at himself a lot. Make sure to hold myself accountable.
Speaker 8 (34:52):
Well you don't need to, Like he had a couple
of people carry mirror for him all the time.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Well there you go.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Now there's there's always that always speaking of speaking of
people here in the mirror for him. Uh, Dean, I
I got the call a game this weekend. I was
begging our producer Rich Gross to get you on our broadcast.
Speaker 9 (35:11):
At some point.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
We had you on for like a moment, and I
was able to I was able to make a couple
of throwaway comments, but there wasn't really any much of
a back and forth.
Speaker 9 (35:19):
Which is really unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
I do appreciate the fact that you look like you've
balked up a little creating on there. The facial hair
is very well groomed. I was trying to give you
a nice compliment there.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
Yeah, no, you did. You were you were complimenting me.
I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
You know.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
I'm always, you know, trying to aspire to be to
be you.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
So I'm see there you go.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
He's here myself. And can I tell you what did
you were? You were on my mind because I don't know.
In the in the Giants Packers broadcast, you know, our
new Fox Sports colleague Drew Brees, it was his first game,
and I went on the air to talk about a
play with with Drew and Adam Amin and I had
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just spoken to you, and I very true, and I
called Drew Brady.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Broadcast, which could have been taken multiple ways, right Tom
maybe who knows.
Speaker 8 (36:13):
People immediately went to Tom Brady and then and then
I was like our bosses, Shanks, Her, Shanks and Bigger.
They were laughing and they were in my ear. I
was like, no, it wasn't Tom Brady. Was Brady Quinn.
That was that I was thinking about because I just
talked to him so.
Speaker 9 (36:27):
Right, which which you know, our producer wanted me to
say to you.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
He wanted me to make a comment about how you
had to be back in studio instead of being with
your new best friend Tom Brady, like that was supposed
to be part of the.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Best while you're working out because you got you're there
with Tom Brady. That's what it is. I mean, just
tell the truth.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
You're on the gastie I got, I got some of.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
The I do. I may or may not have some
TV twelve products.
Speaker 9 (36:53):
In my house.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Right, You're going to be making them Zoolander faces before long, bro.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Adan, I have to ask you the call that wrapped
up the Sunday action in the NFL, that it got
everybody hot and bothered that past interference?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Could you even call that? Could you even call that?
I legal contact? Like, was there anything there?
Speaker 8 (37:17):
No, there's nothing there. I don't Yeah, it's just nothing
there I mean, it's just you know, you look at
agent Brown, he's initiating as much contact and it's just
not it's just not a foul. It's unfortunate, you know,
who knows, who knows what would have happened. Detroit couldn't
do anything on offense anyway, But it's just they should
have had an opportunity to get the ball back. And
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that's just it's just not a foul. It's not when
you want called it at any point in the game.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Let me ask you this, Dean. We we were having
a spirited conversation and it stemmed around kind of the
way you know, instant replay should be used. I kind
of went in a different direction just in terms of
the idea of the business of itself of refereeing. Can
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you give us some insight on that, Like it's not
like you have. You know, these officials, they go on
the field, they call the game, then they go about
their business, go about their lives. Like I made the point,
like there there is a team of referees that are
on the sideline. They're taking notes, they're giving feedback there,
they're discussing what's going on. They all have headphones so
they're communicating just like everybody else is communicating. They're a
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part of the production of the show. How can you
just give us some like can you pull the curtain
back a little bit on like the operation of a
referee crew?
Speaker 8 (38:40):
No, yeah, no question. I think that's one of the
common misconceptions about officials and referees and especially football, right
because it's one one game a week, and so they
a lot of them do have It's just the way
the sport evolves. I mean, you play one game a week,
you're going to have other jobs. It's not like these
officials make the kind of money that professional athletes make
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for the most part, and so they do a lot
of them do have other jobs, but they're doing so
much during the week. There's communication. I mean it starts
the game ends on Sunday. They have immediately they can
go to a website and the video, you know, the
coaches copy is downloaded, the TV copy is downloaded. They
start reviewing Felm immediately they leave the game. They're on
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the plane home wherever it is. And then there's conference
calls that during the week. Crew conference calls, there's position
conference calls, zoom calls. They're getting feedback from the officiating department.
They have former super former officials who are supervisors that
are evaluating them. They get feedback on that, they get grades,
and there's then there's training tapes that go out to
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all of the staff, and then they're back on the road.
You know, usually they're they're in the city the day before,
they have a couple of hour pregame meeting. They're scouting
during the week the two teams. You know, if they're
going to work the Eagles Lions games, they're look at
their last couple of games and looking for tendencies. So
there's so much that goes into it. It really is
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during the season of a full time job. And you know,
it's not just show up on Sunday, work the game,
and go home, but it's you know, and then there's
so many plays during a week, and I get it,
like there's thousands and thousands of plays and typically we
end up talking about a handful, so they do get
the majority of them right, but you know, the expectation
is to be perfect, and we know that's you know,
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not reasonable, but that's that's kind of where we're at
with it.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
If you could implement replay into the game today, and
a way to enhance the gameer make it better.
Speaker 9 (40:37):
How would you do it, like, what would specifically be
the way.
Speaker 8 (40:39):
You do it? Well, we did, you know with with
whether it was the XNFL and now the UFL. We
we implemented the coaches challenge, where the coach can challenge anything,
but we limited it right and so we said, hey,
you've got one challenge. We started with one and at
any point during the game, if you feel it's an
officiating mistake, you can challenge that. We didn't put any
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limitations on that. And we wanted to try that and
that and and I think that's a good step. It
wasn't perfect because there were some situations where teams, you know,
a team through an interception and then they challenged that
their own left tackle had a false start prior to
the play, and it felt we felt like, okay, that
doesn't feel right where you can challenge that your own
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team fouled to to get a better result. And so
there's there's there's kind of always unintended consequences. I do
think there's four or five plays in any football game
that really decide that game. And officials we talk about perfection,
they got to be perfect on those four or five plays.
So so rather than limit it to you know, a
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subset of plays, open it up to everything, but keep it,
keep it where it's once or twice a game where,
you know, because I don't think there's anybody on that
crew or an officiating that would look at that call
at the end of the Lions Eagles game and say
that's the foul. So he had an opportunity to go
back and look at it and say, hey, pick it
up fourth down. I think people, I think that would
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be a good thing.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Oh so you're saying make everything reviewable, just keep limit
the number of times you can use it.
Speaker 8 (42:12):
Yeah, limit limited numbers. And I don't know, it's maybe
it's not everything, but maybe it's almost everything to where
that play doesn't doesn't impact the outcome of the game.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
So I did want to ask you. Dean Blandino joining
us here on Fox Sports Radio, Jackson Smith and Jigba
Final Drive for the Seahawks UH this weekend, and there
was a what looked like at the very least a
missed illegal contact the very next play. They end up
calling past interference on the RAMS and the Seahawks continue
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to drive.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Obviously they missed the kick and they.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Lose the game.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
But I'm looking at that going it seemed like a
makeup call. And I know we see this in the
NBA to where they'll miss something on one end of
the floor, you'll you'll come back the other, you know,
two plays later and they'll call something TICKI tac. Does
that exist in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (43:06):
And I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
It's not like they're coached up to, hey, you know,
make up for it if you screw something up. But
is there the human nature? Hey, maybe I missed that one,
you know, without you know, without jeopardizing the entire game.
It would be only fair if I got this one right,
because it did feel like in that moment that that
was a little bit of a makeup call.
Speaker 8 (43:26):
Yeah, I can't look humans like you said, human nature.
I can't sit here and say that never crossed an
official's mind. In the NFL, I think there's fewer opportunities,
like you mentioned the NBA. There's so many opportunities to
call a foul or not call a foul in the NBA,
compared to one side judge in the NFL. Who's the
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deep wing official that may have you know, you think
about run pass, you know, Okay, so it's stay fifty fifty.
So now you're cut in half, and now you might
have maybe fifteen percent of the plays go to the
receiver on your side of the field, so you have
fewer opportunities to even call fouls. But I don't think
it's a thing really in the NFL. Might it have happened, Yeah,
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I'm sure it's happened at times where maybe you kick
one and you go, well, I really I probably maybe
I'm a little a little more technical kind to kind
of make up for the one that I missed, But
I just don't see that happening. They're so focused on
their keys and what's happening and to think about, Okay,
I missed that one earlier. I'm going to there's just
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too much going on to kind of think that way.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
There's this whole thing with the whole safety aspect of it,
and the referees managing the way games are played to
keep it safer. And I'm gonna put that in air
quotes because my question would be. One thing that jumped
out at me this weekend watching games was the whole
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when a ball is tipped right. I saw a couple
of dudes get obliterated when the ball got tipped, and
while it may not be considered targeting, it could be
considered hitting a defenseless receiver. And so to me, it's like, Okay,
if we're getting all of these fouls that are going
against the defenders, why stop where you're at?
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Why?
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Why would you still if it's all about safety and
safety components? Why are why are guys able to tee
off on a receiver if the ball is tipped? Why
is a why is a punter able to be made
contact with if if the ball is touched, like it
just seems to me you might as well just go
ahead and throw flags on all of that stuff.
Speaker 8 (45:44):
Yeah, well, the tip, I think you mentioned the punter.
The tip really tuip for receivers. We know it. It
negates past and the serence. Right, we see that a
lot because it's the whole deal with the timing of it. Right,
I'm a defensive player and I'm playing the ball and
gets tipped and now I make content act before the
ball gets there. Well, the tip affected that. But with
the with the safety element, that receiver, the intended receiver
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tip or not, is still defenseless, So you can't go
to the headneck area. Now you do see, Yeah, the
ball's tipped, it's never going to get there, and the
guy just gets blown up. But if you don't hit
him in the head neck, it's legal. If it's not late,
if it's not away from the play, it's legal. So
I don't know, you know, if they'll go that far.
I think the theory with the punt is, you know,
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guy makes a great play and blocks the kick and
now it just happens to catch a piece of the
punter and where you know he really was going for
the ball. So I think that was the theory behind that.
But again, you know, the safety rules are always evolving,
and we're going to see we're going to see more.
You know, something's going to come up and we're going
to say, okay, we got to add a rule. You know,
we talked about the hip drop, we talk about these
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other things that are happening. So that's not going to
go away. And I wouldn't be surprised because we've see
more safety rules come online the next couple of years.
Speaker 9 (46:58):
Hey, Dean, last one for me.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
You know, have you ever talked of those people who
they tend to get a lot of saliva and build
up and all that stuff, and they kind of spit
when they talk, or maybe they get overly energetic or
excited and then they start spraying you a little bit.
How are you guys coaching up those officials to differentiate
the guy who's a spray as opposed to a guy
who's spitting on someone.
Speaker 8 (47:21):
Well, I think you get to ask them in they're
usually they're pretty straight, you know, fourth right about it?
And then did you spit on him? And they say no, okay, fine,
he didn't spit on him, And then you know when
the video shows up and it's I mean that bit
was worse than the Jalen Carter spit from the from
week one, right, you know, I don't think that one
was No official was in you know, obviously with Jalen
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Carter in the in the opening game, there was an
official right there. There was no official with those two
guys close enough to see it. And then even on
the broadcast, the video wasn't clear cut. I think had
that been because they threw flags the officials, then then
the people in New York could look at that and
if there's something else that that should result in the disqualification.
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But the video just wasn't clear cut till we saw
that whatever that camera angle was after the fact.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Let me ask you on the Jalen Carter.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Basically, they assessed him a one game suspension, but they
counted it as that game that he was kicked out
of because it was the first play of the game.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
So at what point in the game does it count
as a game?
Speaker 4 (48:27):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Like, if Jayleen done that in the second quarter, does
that count as three quarters of a game? And he's
only going to miss, you know, the first quarter of
the game?
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Two?
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Like, how does that work?
Speaker 8 (48:36):
I think it's literally it would have to be. I
don't there's no there's nothing in black and white that
says it's with Jalen. It was easy because he did
miss the entire game. I think if that's in the
fourth quarter, then there's a better chance that he's going
to get suspended for a full game. They would never suspend.
They don't suspend for a quarter. It's not it's not
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like that, you know, they probably I would say, just
wallpark it first quarter. They might they might say, okay,
you missed every three and a half quarters. But I
think now we've got we've got a precedent now that
if you spit on somebody, you're gonna lose a game,
you know, And then and then.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
We'll see the whole thing's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Like's just spin on, guys. I got one more question
for you, Dan the run by the tight End in Pittsburgh,
Darnell Washington, he comes out, he he jabs, he jabs
to do with the stiff arm. I mean, it was
like you could call it a punch to the face.
He sat him down. Uh, then he lowers his head,
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which was clearly should be considered a targeting the guy
trying not to be targeting him and his big ass.
He misses him, and and then he puts his head
down again. And it looks like another blatant targeting that
takes place at the end of the right. I mean
he targeted twice in the run. I just at what
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point do we say, you know, you gotta let these
guys tackle, like all this hip dropping, Like if it's
an egregious hip drop, a guy grabs you by your
horse collar, drops his butt on the back of your legs.
I get that, but at some point we do have
to take into consideration bigger, stronger, faster. How are you
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supposed to be Like, all right, you're doing it with
these big ass quarterbacks and they get away with it.
But once you get into ball carriers, you know, guys
that are catching the ball, I mean, will there will
there ever be a real attention to the detail of
what these offensive guys are doing when they're running the ball.
Speaker 8 (50:45):
Yeah, you know, it's it's a great point. It's something
that we've we've discussed that length and the THEORYO is
was the ball carrier was was the prioritying himself.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
And he's allowed to protect himself.
Speaker 8 (50:57):
Yeah, and the defenders are trying to get our trying
most of the time them ninety eight percent of the
time the defenders initiating the contact. But we see it
and like the stiff arm, Yeah you can stiff farm,
but you can't wind up and with a forcible blow
to the headneck or really anywhere, you can't lower the
(51:18):
head and initiate contact with the helmet. They do. They
get rarely gets called used to helmet on the on
the ball carrier. They do fine. And want I know,
you know the kid from the Giants Scatteraboo, he's out now,
but he I think he got fined two or three
times his first couple of games for lower on his
head and initiating contact with the helmet.
Speaker 7 (51:37):
So it is.
Speaker 8 (51:38):
It is a hard one, especially East, because now it
feels like I watch games and I feel like I
see seventeen hip drop tackles. I'm like, and they're not
They're not done maliciously. It's just that's the mechanics of
the body trying to get this bigger guy on the ground.
It just happens. And so I think defense is at
a disadvantage. I don't think that's going to change, but
(52:01):
it's just one of those things we've got to kind
of work through at this point.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
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Speaker 5 (00:57):
Joanna see what change the song? It's too much, man,
it's too much. Take a baseball batch of someone's car?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
How is it legal? I sent that that sent that
video to you guys yesterday that it was like this
big ass concert and the dude like started the music.
Oh yeah, he started the music and then you just
saw massive humanity. Just how is that legal? How is
(01:29):
machh pitting of that? Of that? How is mash pitting
period legal?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Like?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
How are you able? I'm going to a concert today,
I'm putting on these horned rings, I'm putting on my
leather jacket, I'm putting on my chucks. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
It was that serious?
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Oh yeah, it's called the Wall of Death?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
What yeah, that's crazy. How is how is that legal? Coop?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Do you know that metal?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Yeah? How is that legal?
Speaker 6 (01:58):
It's just when when two sides of the out just
just run at each other and just bamn?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yes, yeah, how's that legal? That's awesome? How is it legal?
I mean that's just noble. Do you like crawl through
people's legs? If you've ever done that? Like, how do
you do it?
Speaker 7 (02:12):
Like?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Do you really like be punching and kicking hit button?
Speaker 8 (02:17):
So?
Speaker 6 (02:17):
I mean, to be fair, I've never done a Wall
of Death, but when I get in the mosh pit
or like the circle pit, my goal is to just
try and not try and stay on.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
My feet die. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
Yeah, because if I don't stay on my feet, death,
death is possible.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
You know, you're just the ground.
Speaker 9 (02:34):
You're not the biggest ya, No, I am not, So
why would you go do it? Yeah? What what's the
point there?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Like if I were in a mosh pit, I would
be playing dodgeball with you. It makes me feel a
lot anymore there any more? Like this one ball over
together the floor?
Speaker 9 (03:00):
Well, is your fight or flight? Not coming to play pair?
Like kick in? Like I feel like you've missed out
some national instincts. No, I mean I don't.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
It's one of the only areas in my life where
i've you know, do done well.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
But this is what I'm curious though, This is what
I'm curious though.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
On the set of Liar Liar, did somebody say, hey,
check out this Slayer song and you were just hooked
from there?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Like how do you even get involved in the world.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
No, it wasn't until uh, until I started high school
that I got like into heavier music.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
But but you should.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
You should note that people in the moshpit, especially like
a circle pit, they're all very nice people.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Like if you get knocked, if you get knocked down out. Yeah,
they're running over to help. Yeah, push back out there?
What are you doing?
Speaker 9 (03:51):
I've run over to pick everyone up. Yeah, I'm the
nice guy.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
They all do that, I really really do.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
It's weird.
Speaker 9 (03:58):
Hey bro, you got your ass kick dear, let me
help you up. Hold on elbow to the face.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
That's what I would think, like you kick him out
it down? Yeah, you're moshpitting. You don't have like, you
don't have pleasant trees and motts mosh pitting.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
You gotta see them.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
You got to see the one from Woodstock ninety nine
when Corn played the mosh pit, there was like.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
A duringk blind.
Speaker 9 (04:24):
Jonas, you're a fan, but you've never been in one.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I can guarantee that my ass.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I haven't been in one.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Oh stop, your body would fall I've told, I've told
the story.
Speaker 9 (04:32):
Would cap would pop out.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I was in a Slayer mosh pit and wiped out
some guy.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
That was at least three bills. I mean, I hurt
my shoulder, but you still got a good licking.
Speaker 9 (04:43):
Why don't we allow it? Jonas to lie to everyone?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
I mean, and he really be hyping it too.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Why why would you think I would lie about that?
Speaker 9 (04:54):
Because you lie about a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
No, I don't lie about a lot like like you
creating the Manzi bolanos Uh song, Oh yeah that was
a lie. You didn't do that.
Speaker 10 (05:04):
That was creative, but definitely evidence that you're the one
that was Can we use the evidence?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
What I don't have evidence?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
What do you talk? Oh there's evidence, there's evidence.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
What you're talking about?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Oh there's evidence?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Well, there was some evidence of some bad football teams
last night.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I say that, Look.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Right, there was the team.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I would say Dallas's offense is good. I still I
think maybe their defense they've improved. They've improved, Quinn Williams.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
You just don't know. Because the Raiders thing.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
The Raiders are so much worse.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I thought so bad and by all, by all accounts,
shouldn't Pete Carroll by judge the same way a p
was judged last because it kind of looks the same
to me. Kind of looks the same to me, like
it's going to take a build. Yeah, and a quarterback
by the way, sorry Geno, or offensive line that can
(06:12):
protect him. I mean he didn't have very much time.
But still, I don't know. They look bad. That's all
I'm gonna say. And they made Dallas look good, which,
by the way, why shouldn't they look good. You got
maybe the best receiver tandem in all of the NFL.
You got a quarterback that's playing out a high pretty
(06:33):
high level, and now you add quinnin to the defensive side.
I mean, the linebacker isn't bad. It's his name fifty
five or whatever linebacker that that they got from. Where
they get him from?
Speaker 9 (06:47):
Who come out, Marris Lufa is thirty five?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Thirty five? No, no, no, no, the new one that
they just from Cincy.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
He wasn't bad. I think Jerry Jones is probably happy
with the way his team looks right now. If I
were Jerry Jones, I would be happy with the exception
of maybe a few positions that I feel like I
want to upgrade. But the potential of what this Dallas
(07:21):
team could be is there. I will say that I
don't know. I'm not going to get carried away about
them being any better than what they were in the
game they were in last night against the opponent they
were against. I won't go too much further from that
because I don't know if it's applicable to better teams.
But they have. They got a schedule coming up, and
(07:44):
we'll find out how good they are in these next
few games. That they were pretty much the rest of
the way, I believe, So we'll see. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I just I'm watching and I've said it before, but
every time I see the Raiders, they look like they
get worse.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Like there's no.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
You don't see any sort of a cent or any.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Sort of trying to blow a balloon up that has
a small hole. Yeah, like understand, won't won't hold the air.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
It's just getting worse by the by the by the game.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And it was you know, we saw Geno Smith on
you know, was it a Thursday night game, And I'm like,
all right, well that looked pretty bad. But at least
he wanted to stay in there and got it out
and you know, kind of work through it. And it's like,
all right, well, you know, it's admirable. And and every
game I just come away going, wow, they're they're even
worse than they were last game. And I just I
(08:40):
don't know what my expectations were for them. I didn't
think that they were a playoff team, but I just
thought that they would be further along than this, and
they're nowhere close, and it just seems like Pete Carroll's
aging by the game the way this season's gone, and they.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Just don't have what they need on the roster. I
will continually keep this. Gino Smith's in a really really
tough position. And whether it's a lack of protection or
a lack of weapons, I mean, I think about this
like Bowers obviously as they're leading, you know, receiver at
tight end, he was out for a period of time,
like when you didn't have him, you don't have anything,
(09:17):
and he is that chess piece that that's a true
difference maker, but you have to have more. And when
the run game's not there with Jenty like last night,
it's just there's not really much you can do. And
that's the tough spot that Geno's in, the Raiders offenses in,
and really it's putting the defense in. Is they're gonna
get outscored most games and there become one dimensional most games.
(09:40):
Like it's not hard to take away Bowers and then
they have to kind of figure out what they're gonna
do after that. So if they can't run the football
and they can't add in or sprinkle in some of their.
Speaker 9 (09:48):
Pieces, like I just sprinkle. But think about it like
that is a tough spot to be in.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
I just called a game where you basically had for
each team a number one wide receiver and then maybe
some guys trying to compliment. It's just that those are
not gonna be teams that are gonna be consistently successful
in the NFL.
Speaker 9 (10:08):
It is such a matchup driven league.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
If you don't have a guy that forces teams to
try to match up, teams to do something different, it's
it's it's gonna be a long season.
Speaker 9 (10:22):
And it's gonna take time to get to that point.
And then Raiders just don't have that.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
And so to your point about Antonio Pierce, you know,
should she's still been there would have been different.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
I'm not behind you know, those doors, And yeah, I
don't know how they're trying to build stuff. I'm not
I don't I don't know if it would have been
any different. You know, maybe they should have kept ap,
but it isn't any different this year. That's that's yeah,
that's what I'm saying. It's like like like who knows, Yeah,
it's not even different. But I do know this, Like
they need to give whoever's there. Sometime it doesn't matter.
(10:54):
If it's AP doesn't matter, I it's Pete Carroll. This
roster is not set up to win right now.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yes it's not.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Yeah, I mean we can spend a segment on this game.
But that's how irrelevant that game was last night, if
we're being honest, if we're being real, was a ton
to talk about. So that's the kind of ass kicking that.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
It was last night.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It's just more about again the question of what is Dallas.
I think that's the biggest question I come away with, Like, Okay,
that was an impressive win. You see what it can
be with guys like Pickens and with Lamb. I mean,
I thought they were phenomenal last night. I mean, I mean, well, but.
Speaker 9 (11:36):
There's one thing to talk about.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
God.
Speaker 9 (11:38):
Well, okay, so pickings of LAMB don't go out the
first series.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Yeah, and they breezed over it too, by the way,
I mean they mentioned it, they showed them, but they
breezed over it very quickly. By the way.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Can we be real, like this isn't high school assistant college?
Like that doesn't bother players? I mean, it looks bad.
They'll have to talk about it or answer to it.
Speaker 9 (12:01):
You find the guy.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
They're pros now if you want to punish him, you know,
find those guys, don't not put them in the first
series and then potentially against another team, you know, have
a close game where you could have used them and
you lose. Like you sitting out Piggins and Lamb for
that first series, it impacts everyone else. And that's that's
(12:23):
always been my way of looking at punishing an individual
for their whatever they did. Like you sit them out,
you're hurting ever, the coaching staff, the organization, every other
player on that team. It's not feared all those people.
And maybe you say, well, that's you know, part of it,
because then everyone's going to be mad at them and
help keep them accountable. It's like, well, dude, find them,
(12:44):
that's what they would care most about. You know you can,
You've you've got the ability to do that within the CBA,
and that's usually going to deter players from doing whatever
they did to be in that spot in the first place.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
But then he was glazing them though they came out
the halftime. Hey, you didn't play your guys. That glazed
them up. It was glazing.
Speaker 9 (13:07):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
That means he was just talking. He was hyping them
like he was talking, so you know, he's talking so
complimentary of them, and yeah, he just moved right on
like they sat out for the first few few plays.
That is not Yeah, those guys are amazing. This that glazing,
you know, like a Glades don'nuts. You want to hear
blazed donuts always better.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You want to hear the Yeah, I mean, I'm just
sa you want to hear the guy lavarc calls the
glazer Brian Schottenheimer. Like here he was talking about Benching
Pickens and CD Lamb for the first.
Speaker 9 (13:40):
It's tough, you know, made a coach's decision.
Speaker 11 (13:44):
There were some things that were missed, and so I
had a conversation with those guys and that was easy.
But I mean, if you look at the energy those
guys play with, you know, Clarence are like you know,
they literally they jump started the offense when they got
back in there. They didn't hang your heads, they didn't
do any that stuff.
Speaker 9 (14:01):
And that's why I love those guys.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Man Glazer, that's glazing. What he did at the end,
that's glazing. They were inspired. I'm just trying to keep
you all up to speed on what the young I
don't want to be well, I just figured I still
keep you all on games.
Speaker 9 (14:16):
I'd rather it sound like Chinese to me. I really
don't care to.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Just in case that's glazing.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
My girls come home and say that phrase, I'll just
literally rip away every toy they've ever had.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
You're saying that, but when you hear it, you're going
to be like, I don't know what glazing means. Go nuch. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm just saying. You know, I hear it, so I
gotta be I'm not immune to it. So I hear
it from a ten year old and from soon to
(14:50):
be twenty year old and to eighteen year olders, and
damn yeah, so I hear the college terminology and how
it I am slanged it, you are slang in it.
And I have one adult who likes to talk like me,
you know, we speak more on an adult level. But yeah, glazing,
(15:11):
and that's what it was. And listen, okay, And I'm
assuming it's a meeting right like we saw. I saw
the report on abdul Carter. I saw I saw the
report on the guy to talk about that, the guy
from uh, the receiver from the Bills. They didn't even
dress him because he missed a meeting. I just this
(15:34):
new age, this new age athlete, man, they just don't.
I think their parameters have been, you know, moved. I
think the standard, the line of expectation has has moved
somewhere else. And I don't I don't know. I just
don't know. And and just to hear the fact that
(15:55):
that the report said that day Ball was tolerant of
him being late for meeting and stuff like that, like
that's a that's aheard of he was What do you
mean it's unheard of. That's unheard of for people to
be tolerant of God's.
Speaker 9 (16:08):
Come on, man, Bill Parcelsiers do that LT? Yeah, you
never heard that LT story.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
It's always one.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
L T treatment.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
There's always the one, one guy, the one guy that
takes who they are and they take it to the
outer limits of being that type of person that Lawrence
Taylor was and can get away with it. Well, he
did ask for his number. So the most, the the
more do not have those types of that they treat. Yeah,
(16:42):
they don't have that.
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wherever you get your podcasts. Virginia Tech has got their man,
James Franklin. Yeah, upgrading from.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Penn hold on, now hold on, sorry, well yeah, I
mean it is kind of I mean, nothing against my
guy because he was the man, but man, he got
that job because of his job at Penn State.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
So he was owed forty nine million dollars in the
buy out after Penn State fired him, but as part
of his deal with Virginia Tech, ESPN reported he's getting
a nine million dollar settlement from Penn State. James Franklin
hired by Virginia Tech the quote, I'm honored and humbled
to join.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
The Hockey family.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
My vision is simple to restore unmatched excellence, to build
something that lasts, and to serve this university, the Commonwealth
of Virginia, and our amazing fan base with honor, integrity,
and passion. I look forward to getting to work with
our players, our staff, and the entire Virginia Tech community.
James Franklin has found a home again.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Congrats, yeah, congrats. What what are they in the ACC?
Speaker 9 (19:05):
They're in the ACC.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
That's where ACC should be on notice.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
Man, the Big East.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I think, yeah, they should.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
It's wild to think how this program, how good it was.
Speaker 9 (19:17):
I mean, like when we were coming.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Up, man, And I don't know if you felt this
way too, back when they were in the Big East.
This was I mean Frank Beemer job. He did have
a special teams legendary like the whole thing. Even when
I was, you know, coming when I was in you know,
in high school and college, like this was one of
the powerhouses.
Speaker 9 (19:37):
This was a team that won double digit games year
and year out. Yeah. So it's it's just it's weird.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Now there's been a generation because probably since Beamer left
and maybe even at the end of Beamer's tenure, there
really hasn't been a guy to bring in that run
of success like they've experienced under Frank Beamer. And I
think James for Franklin could get him back to that.
Like as far as if you can take him altimately
to the Promised Land. It seems like an uphill battle.
(20:07):
But again we uh, you never know. I mean, we've
got a lot of a lot of different schools that
haven't been in the mix are now in the mix
for college football. So it's it's it's fun to see
the parody.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
He is in the heart of a heart. What is
it called a a hot bid is what I'm looking
for of talent the Tidewater area of Virginia, like the
Norfolk area, Hampton, Hampton Roads, Richmond, the more centralized part
(20:41):
of Virginia, you know, with the Huguen knots and shouts
out to my man coach Charles, Charles. Let me let
me tell you something. The amount of talent that that
circulates from the Baltimore corridor ofware to all the way
(21:02):
down into North Carolina. Those are the places that James
Franklin has thrived in and recruiting the hell out of players,
not to mention his ability to be able to get
that one or two four star hot you know, high
rated guy from different areas around the country. You know
(21:23):
some parts of California, you know parts of Florida, you
know parts of Texas, or even some places down in
the deeper South like Alabama or certain places like that.
He's going to be a problem for He's going to
be a problem, I'll tell you that. And he's going
to bring in athletes because that's what he does. He's
(21:46):
going to have probably to Q's point, it's going to
be easier to get to Blacksburg. It's there's I think
the recruiting for him will be a lot more centralized
and easier than what it probably was for him in
(22:06):
state college at Penn State. So I think, I mean,
it's a great get.
Speaker 8 (22:11):
It is.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I mean, if I'm Virginia Tech, I am crazy a
static that I was able to get a coach of
his caliber to come in this day and age to
come to our school and coach. I would have thought
he might have held out and waited for maybe a
bigger job opening to come before making that decision or
(22:32):
going to Virginia Tech. But I mean, if you look
at it from a very critical perspective, I can't even
imagine how many guys are probably going to end up
leaving Penn State to go to Virginia Tech. There may
be some guys that are at other schools that may
end up leaving there that were recruited by James Franklin
before may not be in the happiest of situations. Are
(22:53):
going to go to Virginia Tech. He's going to ramp
up pretty quickly. I would be shy if he did
not ramp up very quickly soon as he gets in
there and the transfer portal opens.
Speaker 9 (23:07):
So a few thoughts from my side on this thing
with with with James Franklin.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
You know, he he struggled to win those big AP
rank games, and what's interesting about that is a lot
of those games came down to tight you know, fourth
quarter end of game scenarios or situations, and I always
thought he didn't manage it overly. Well, I feel like
(23:35):
you're gonna be planning a lot of tight games at
Virginia Tech every single week. And if that's the case,
it's a little bit of a concern. Like I, I know,
James Franklin can recruit, he's a good man, he's a
good he's a good guy, good coach. That is the
one thing that I kind of look at as a
bit of a flaw from his time at Penn State
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that I do wonder how that will play out at
Virginia Tech. I also I'm wondering this, I mean he
recruited really well at Penn State. I do think he'll
be able to recruit well or at least better than
what they've had at Virginia Tech. But in a day
and age where you're everyone's kind of getting paid, you know,
you have to wonder what the collective situation looks like
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at Virginia Tech, what additional funds they have that gives
them an advantage over other teams in the ACC. I
do think he's got to strike fast. I mean, this
is an ACC that's got Florida State down, Miami's up.
But when you look at the programs that you're in
competition with, I think you can you can compete if
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you just handle that local area kind of like you're
talking about right, Like they don't. He doesn't need to
really go outside of Virginia or the DMV like that
that area of the country to be able to field
a team and be really successful. Like I also think
this probably hurts teams like Maryland. Oh yeah, Like like
Mike Loxley has his work cut out from now because
he's got another coach in there who knows how to
recruit the area and gonna make it even harder for
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you know, those sort of mid tier, bottom tier, you know,
big ten conference teams that are trying to you know,
find some of those recruits Rutgers, et cetera.
Speaker 9 (25:07):
So there's there's that element of the conversation.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
I'm going to throw this question out there, and I
need Jonas to respond first, because you're too close to
the situation LeVar, and I don't know what if you can,
But the question is, are you surprised Jonas that Virginia
Tech has found their new head coach in James Franklin
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before Penn State found their next head coach, given that,
they kind of obviously made the decision, and it felt
like when they made the decision to fire James Franklin,
they probably had a singular person in mind.
Speaker 9 (25:45):
It wasn't just like, hey, let's move on and start anew.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, I would have thought that given given the job
and given the unmet expectations and the buyout, and I
would I would have assumed you made a move with
the understanding you at least had a pretty good idea
who would be the next guy in the door.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
And here we are. Who's to say they don't.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
Why is he hired?
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Now? I mean there might be a valid reason as
to why is not hired.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
Now, what would be the valid reason?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I would most likely say the valid reason would be
to get through the season. That that would be. That
would be my valid reason. Like you're you're now hitting down.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
And you're narrowing your pool to coaches who are still coaching.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I don't. All I'm saying is you allow for Terry
Smith to have the opportunity to finish out the year
with a level of buy in from and an opportunity
for the players to not feel like something is getting
brought their way.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Why didn't they just let James Franklin finish out the year?
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Then it's a great question. I think I have the
answer to it, But I don't know that I had
the answer to it, and I don't want to misrepresent myself.
Why not in the scenario? So that's his show is
all about we miss.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
He doesn't want to allow it to say anything.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
I feel like I can openly say stuff because I'm
not a part of reservice he has.
Speaker 9 (27:29):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
I would not describe their coaching search as one that
had a singular person in mind, or that in one
individual in mind. Maybe they had you know, a few
people on a short list. But from what I have
been able to ascertain, they have casted a wider net
than I thought following James Franklin's firing, given some of
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the conversations that have been had with prospective.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
Candidates, I'll leave at that.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Okay, Yeah, I.
Speaker 9 (28:00):
Mean, I mean, and I've talked with two.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Okay, I feel good about what you throw out there.
I mean, that's good perspective.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Well, but I also think things got probably complicated for
a lot of potential candidates when Florida came open, then LSU,
and it's like this whole thing hit. And by the way,
what I find most interesting about the timing of when
firings have taken place this season is October seventh was
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like a line of demarcation where if you made it
past that date, you were now under a different rule.
Your players could not transfer immediately. That's how it worked
before October seventh. That's why Oklahoma State had a bunch
of players who went to the transfer portal because they
were grandfather.
Speaker 9 (28:54):
Claused into the old rule. And the old rule was if.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Once your coach was fired, a thirty day win opened
up for any player to basically leave and enter the
transfer portal and go elsewhere. So, for example, there is
a son to someone who works on the crew of
Big newon Kickoff and he was grandfather claused into that,
so you know, we were kind of talking about this
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and he's going through his different visits. If it was
after October seventh, you can't leave. You either have to
wait for the next transfer portal window or they have
to hire the next head coach. And so now that
for example, in the case of Virginia Tech, players, now
that the decision has been made to hire James Franklin,
there will be a fifteen day period where James Franklin
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can go in there, he can meet with all the players,
talk to all the players. After that fifteen day period,
there's a five day window where those players can choose
to transfer or hit the transfer portal and go elsewhere.
So the reason why I said that is because I
do think that some teams have been more patient and
firing their head coach. And I also think there's been
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a little more hesitancy or maybe patients in hiring the
next guy because they want to make feel like they
sure they've got the right guy. But also they have
a lot of things that are all in the works,
that are together. So when he gets there, he could
kind of hit the ground running a bit with at
least retaining some of the players that are on the
ross they want to retain.
Speaker 9 (30:26):
That is that the fairest way of putting it.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
It's a great way of putting it. It's a good way,
great way, strong way. Yeah, Yeah, there's something, there's validity
to that. I just I think you mentioned you hit
it when you said want to be thorough and the approach.
You don't want to leave any stones unturned, and you
want to make the best decision that you can possibly
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make and be proud about it. Yeah. I think Pat
Kraft is very, very aware of the fact that he
was not on the clock with James Franklin.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
How real was the Matt Rule interest? Q? I'm asking
you ask me.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
I was making a point. You want to ask me
about Matt Rule. Matt Rule got an extension that note Nebraska.
I don't know anything about Matt Rule coming to Penn State.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
I would I would say this. It was real enough
where he got an extension at Nebraska. I mean, it's
not like I could sit here and say, hey, hey,
Penn State's looking at me, guys, and Fox Sports Radio
comes and gives me an extension writer or or you know,
gives you a pay bump. There's there's other coaches who
I would say him specifically.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
You could go, maybe you could throw one more out there,
got an extension, you could throw one more and and
and for what it's worth. I mean you could possibly
be like, huh, what what was going on on? You know,
Notre Dame. Maybe Notre Dame might have not wanted there guy,
and and maybe he might have become a possibility. You
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just never know. You just never know because this ledscape
just you don't know what's gonna happen if they win
in Pitt or if they don't win in Pitt. You know,
with the game they have, I mean, what is that?
What type of bearing does that have? You just don't know.
You don't know what directions. Some universities may go in.
And then somebody comes available that maybe mighta not have
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came available that maybe you were interested in, maybe you weren't,
who knows, But I mean the season, the season kind
of unfolds in a way where it could give you
options that you might have not even previously had be.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and Jonas
Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
It's two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas knocks with the air coming
up in I don't know twenty minutes from now it's
the leftovers. But right now we'll welcome in Dean Blandino,
(33:09):
Fox Sports NFL College Football Rules Analyst. Get him on
x at Dean Blandino and show him the respect he deserves. Dean,
good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 8 (33:22):
Dean, Good morning, guys, good morning morning.
Speaker 9 (33:25):
Never morning, Dean, good morning.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
Gets old.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
No, never.
Speaker 8 (33:31):
Can I start though, I got to start with something.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Come on, what's all now?
Speaker 8 (33:35):
Col I am? I am watching the new season of
one of my guilty pleasures shows, Selling Sunset on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
And I'm watching and my man LeVar shows up looking
at some twenty million dollar real estate with his beautiful
wife and my favorite on the show, Brie, and I
am just I'm like, are you kidding me? LaVar? That
was you? Are you were really? You were up there
for me? Now you're like, now you're Tom Brady level.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Oh wow, wow, thanks Dean. I appreciate that. And you
should see the view we ended up uh settling in on.
Actually it's actually better than the one from the show
is Yeah, it is actually so.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
But you you like doing the affirmations in the mirror everything?
It was awesome, It was awesome.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Yeah, you got to do your affirmation, bro, thank you,
thank you, thank you for that.
Speaker 9 (34:32):
I know the affirmations are going to make today show.
Yeah they are.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Well, some of us don't need them like you, you know,
because he wakes up looking the way he looks and
all that stuff, Dean.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
So yeah, some of us don't have to reassure ourselves.
You know, we're not six for I was gonna say,
I'm not the type of guy that looks at the
mirror at himself a lot. Make sure to hold myself accountable.
Speaker 8 (34:52):
Well you don't need to, Like he had a couple
of people carry mirror for him all the time.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Well there you go.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Now there's there's always that always speaking of speaking of
people here in the mirror for him. Uh, Dean, I
I got the call a game this weekend. I was
begging our producer Rich Gross to get you on our broadcast.
Speaker 9 (35:11):
At some point.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
We had you on for like a moment, and I
was able to I was able to make a couple
of throwaway comments, but there wasn't really any much of
a back and forth.
Speaker 9 (35:19):
Which is really unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
I do appreciate the fact that you look like you've
balked up a little creating on there. The facial hair
is very well groomed. I was trying to give you
a nice compliment there.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
Yeah, no, you did. You were you were complimenting me.
I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
You know.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
I'm always, you know, trying to aspire to be to
be you.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
So I'm see there you go.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
He's here myself. And can I tell you what did
you were? You were on my mind because I don't know.
In the in the Giants Packers broadcast, you know, our
new Fox Sports colleague Drew Brees, it was his first game,
and I went on the air to talk about a
play with with Drew and Adam Amin and I had
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just spoken to you, and I very true, and I
called Drew Brady.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Broadcast, which could have been taken multiple ways, right Tom
maybe who knows.
Speaker 8 (36:13):
People immediately went to Tom Brady and then and then
I was like our bosses, Shanks, Her, Shanks and Bigger.
They were laughing and they were in my ear. I
was like, no, it wasn't Tom Brady. Was Brady Quinn.
That was that I was thinking about because I just
talked to him so.
Speaker 9 (36:27):
Right, which which you know, our producer wanted me to
say to you.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
He wanted me to make a comment about how you
had to be back in studio instead of being with
your new best friend Tom Brady, like that was supposed
to be part of the.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Best while you're working out because you got you're there
with Tom Brady. That's what it is. I mean, just
tell the truth.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
You're on the gastie I got, I got some of.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
The I do. I may or may not have some
TV twelve products.
Speaker 9 (36:53):
In my house.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Right, You're going to be making them Zoolander faces before long, bro.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Adan, I have to ask you the call that wrapped
up the Sunday action in the NFL, that it got
everybody hot and bothered that past interference?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Could you even call that? Could you even call that?
I legal contact? Like, was there anything there?
Speaker 8 (37:17):
No, there's nothing there. I don't Yeah, it's just nothing
there I mean, it's just you know, you look at
agent Brown, he's initiating as much contact and it's just
not it's just not a foul. It's unfortunate, you know,
who knows, who knows what would have happened. Detroit couldn't
do anything on offense anyway, But it's just they should
have had an opportunity to get the ball back. And
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that's just it's just not a foul. It's not when
you want called it at any point in the game.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Let me ask you this, Dean. We we were having
a spirited conversation and it stemmed around kind of the
way you know, instant replay should be used. I kind
of went in a different direction just in terms of
the idea of the business of itself of refereeing. Can
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you give us some insight on that, Like it's not
like you have. You know, these officials, they go on
the field, they call the game, then they go about
their business, go about their lives. Like I made the point,
like there there is a team of referees that are
on the sideline. They're taking notes, they're giving feedback there,
they're discussing what's going on. They all have headphones so
they're communicating just like everybody else is communicating. They're a
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part of the production of the show. How can you
just give us some like can you pull the curtain
back a little bit on like the operation of a
referee crew?
Speaker 8 (38:40):
No, yeah, no question. I think that's one of the
common misconceptions about officials and referees and especially football, right
because it's one one game a week, and so they
a lot of them do have It's just the way
the sport evolves. I mean, you play one game a week,
you're going to have other jobs. It's not like these
officials make the kind of money that professional athletes make
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for the most part, and so they do a lot
of them do have other jobs, but they're doing so
much during the week. There's communication. I mean it starts
the game ends on Sunday. They have immediately they can
go to a website and the video, you know, the
coaches copy is downloaded, the TV copy is downloaded. They
start reviewing Felm immediately they leave the game. They're on
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the plane home wherever it is. And then there's conference
calls that during the week. Crew conference calls, there's position
conference calls, zoom calls. They're getting feedback from the officiating department.
They have former super former officials who are supervisors that
are evaluating them. They get feedback on that, they get grades,
and there's then there's training tapes that go out to
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all of the staff, and then they're back on the road.
You know, usually they're they're in the city the day before,
they have a couple of hour pregame meeting. They're scouting
during the week the two teams. You know, if they're
going to work the Eagles Lions games, they're look at
their last couple of games and looking for tendencies. So
there's so much that goes into it. It really is
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during the season of a full time job. And you know,
it's not just show up on Sunday, work the game,
and go home, but it's you know, and then there's
so many plays during a week, and I get it,
like there's thousands and thousands of plays and typically we
end up talking about a handful, so they do get
the majority of them right, but you know, the expectation
is to be perfect, and we know that's you know,
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not reasonable, but that's that's kind of where we're at
with it.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
If you could implement replay into the game today, and
a way to enhance the gameer make it better.
Speaker 9 (40:37):
How would you do it, like, what would specifically be
the way.
Speaker 8 (40:39):
You do it? Well, we did, you know with with
whether it was the XNFL and now the UFL. We
we implemented the coaches challenge, where the coach can challenge anything,
but we limited it right and so we said, hey,
you've got one challenge. We started with one and at
any point during the game, if you feel it's an
officiating mistake, you can challenge that. We didn't put any
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limitations on that. And we wanted to try that and
that and and I think that's a good step. It
wasn't perfect because there were some situations where teams, you know,
a team through an interception and then they challenged that
their own left tackle had a false start prior to
the play, and it felt we felt like, okay, that
doesn't feel right where you can challenge that your own
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team fouled to to get a better result. And so
there's there's there's kind of always unintended consequences. I do
think there's four or five plays in any football game
that really decide that game. And officials we talk about perfection,
they got to be perfect on those four or five plays.
So so rather than limit it to you know, a
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subset of plays, open it up to everything, but keep it,
keep it where it's once or twice a game where,
you know, because I don't think there's anybody on that
crew or an officiating that would look at that call
at the end of the Lions Eagles game and say
that's the foul. So he had an opportunity to go
back and look at it and say, hey, pick it
up fourth down. I think people, I think that would
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be a good thing.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Oh so you're saying make everything reviewable, just keep limit
the number of times you can use it.
Speaker 8 (42:12):
Yeah, limit limited numbers. And I don't know, it's maybe
it's not everything, but maybe it's almost everything to where
that play doesn't doesn't impact the outcome of the game.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
So I did want to ask you. Dean Blandino joining
us here on Fox Sports Radio, Jackson Smith and Jigba
Final Drive for the Seahawks UH this weekend, and there
was a what looked like at the very least a
missed illegal contact the very next play. They end up
calling past interference on the RAMS and the Seahawks continue
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to drive.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Obviously they missed the kick and they.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Lose the game.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
But I'm looking at that going it seemed like a
makeup call. And I know we see this in the
NBA to where they'll miss something on one end of
the floor, you'll you'll come back the other, you know,
two plays later and they'll call something TICKI tac. Does
that exist in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (43:06):
And I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
It's not like they're coached up to, hey, you know,
make up for it if you screw something up. But
is there the human nature? Hey, maybe I missed that one,
you know, without you know, without jeopardizing the entire game.
It would be only fair if I got this one right,
because it did feel like in that moment that that
was a little bit of a makeup call.
Speaker 8 (43:26):
Yeah, I can't look humans like you said, human nature.
I can't sit here and say that never crossed an
official's mind. In the NFL, I think there's fewer opportunities,
like you mentioned the NBA. There's so many opportunities to
call a foul or not call a foul in the NBA,
compared to one side judge in the NFL. Who's the
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deep wing official that may have you know, you think
about run pass, you know, Okay, so it's stay fifty fifty.
So now you're cut in half, and now you might
have maybe fifteen percent of the plays go to the
receiver on your side of the field, so you have
fewer opportunities to even call fouls. But I don't think
it's a thing really in the NFL. Might it have happened, Yeah,
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I'm sure it's happened at times where maybe you kick
one and you go, well, I really I probably maybe
I'm a little a little more technical kind to kind
of make up for the one that I missed, But
I just don't see that happening. They're so focused on
their keys and what's happening and to think about, Okay,
I missed that one earlier. I'm going to there's just
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too much going on to kind of think that way.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
There's this whole thing with the whole safety aspect of it,
and the referees managing the way games are played to
keep it safer. And I'm gonna put that in air
quotes because my question would be. One thing that jumped
out at me this weekend watching games was the whole
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when a ball is tipped right. I saw a couple
of dudes get obliterated when the ball got tipped, and
while it may not be considered targeting, it could be
considered hitting a defenseless receiver. And so to me, it's like, Okay,
if we're getting all of these fouls that are going
against the defenders, why stop where you're at?
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Why?
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Why would you still if it's all about safety and
safety components? Why are why are guys able to tee
off on a receiver if the ball is tipped? Why
is a why is a punter able to be made
contact with if if the ball is touched, like it
just seems to me you might as well just go
ahead and throw flags on all of that stuff.
Speaker 8 (45:44):
Yeah, well, the tip, I think you mentioned the punter.
The tip really tuip for receivers. We know it. It
negates past and the serence. Right, we see that a
lot because it's the whole deal with the timing of it. Right,
I'm a defensive player and I'm playing the ball and
gets tipped and now I make content act before the
ball gets there. Well, the tip affected that. But with
the with the safety element, that receiver, the intended receiver
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tip or not, is still defenseless, So you can't go
to the headneck area. Now you do see, Yeah, the
ball's tipped, it's never going to get there, and the
guy just gets blown up. But if you don't hit
him in the head neck, it's legal. If it's not late,
if it's not away from the play, it's legal. So
I don't know, you know, if they'll go that far.
I think the theory with the punt is, you know,
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guy makes a great play and blocks the kick and
now it just happens to catch a piece of the
punter and where you know he really was going for
the ball. So I think that was the theory behind that.
But again, you know, the safety rules are always evolving,
and we're going to see we're going to see more.
You know, something's going to come up and we're going
to say, okay, we got to add a rule. You know,
we talked about the hip drop, we talk about these
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other things that are happening. So that's not going to
go away. And I wouldn't be surprised because we've see
more safety rules come online the next couple of years.
Speaker 9 (46:58):
Hey, Dean, last one for me.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
You know, have you ever talked of those people who
they tend to get a lot of saliva and build
up and all that stuff, and they kind of spit
when they talk, or maybe they get overly energetic or
excited and then they start spraying you a little bit.
How are you guys coaching up those officials to differentiate
the guy who's a spray as opposed to a guy
who's spitting on someone.
Speaker 8 (47:21):
Well, I think you get to ask them in they're
usually they're pretty straight, you know, fourth right about it?
And then did you spit on him? And they say no, okay, fine,
he didn't spit on him, And then you know when
the video shows up and it's I mean that bit
was worse than the Jalen Carter spit from the from
week one, right, you know, I don't think that one
was No official was in you know, obviously with Jalen
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Carter in the in the opening game, there was an
official right there. There was no official with those two
guys close enough to see it. And then even on
the broadcast, the video wasn't clear cut. I think had
that been because they threw flags the officials, then then
the people in New York could look at that and
if there's something else that that should result in the disqualification.
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But the video just wasn't clear cut till we saw
that whatever that camera angle was after the fact.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Let me ask you on the Jalen Carter.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Basically, they assessed him a one game suspension, but they
counted it as that game that he was kicked out
of because it was the first play of the game.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
So at what point in the game does it count
as a game?
Speaker 4 (48:27):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Like, if Jayleen done that in the second quarter, does
that count as three quarters of a game? And he's
only going to miss, you know, the first quarter of
the game?
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Two?
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Like, how does that work?
Speaker 8 (48:36):
I think it's literally it would have to be. I
don't there's no there's nothing in black and white that
says it's with Jalen. It was easy because he did
miss the entire game. I think if that's in the
fourth quarter, then there's a better chance that he's going
to get suspended for a full game. They would never suspend.
They don't suspend for a quarter. It's not it's not
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like that, you know, they probably I would say, just
wallpark it first quarter. They might they might say, okay,
you missed every three and a half quarters. But I
think now we've got we've got a precedent now that
if you spit on somebody, you're gonna lose a game,
you know, And then and then.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
We'll see the whole thing's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Like's just spin on, guys. I got one more question
for you, Dan the run by the tight End in Pittsburgh,
Darnell Washington, he comes out, he he jabs, he jabs
to do with the stiff arm. I mean, it was
like you could call it a punch to the face.
He sat him down. Uh, then he lowers his head,
(49:41):
which was clearly should be considered a targeting the guy
trying not to be targeting him and his big ass.
He misses him, and and then he puts his head
down again. And it looks like another blatant targeting that
takes place at the end of the right. I mean
he targeted twice in the run. I just at what
(50:04):
point do we say, you know, you gotta let these
guys tackle, like all this hip dropping, Like if it's
an egregious hip drop, a guy grabs you by your
horse collar, drops his butt on the back of your legs.
I get that, but at some point we do have
to take into consideration bigger, stronger, faster. How are you
(50:26):
supposed to be Like, all right, you're doing it with
these big ass quarterbacks and they get away with it.
But once you get into ball carriers, you know, guys
that are catching the ball, I mean, will there will
there ever be a real attention to the detail of
what these offensive guys are doing when they're running the ball.
Speaker 8 (50:45):
Yeah, you know, it's it's a great point. It's something
that we've we've discussed that length and the THEORYO is
was the ball carrier was was the prioritying himself.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
And he's allowed to protect himself.
Speaker 8 (50:57):
Yeah, and the defenders are trying to get our trying
most of the time them ninety eight percent of the
time the defenders initiating the contact. But we see it
and like the stiff arm, Yeah you can stiff farm,
but you can't wind up and with a forcible blow
to the headneck or really anywhere, you can't lower the
(51:18):
head and initiate contact with the helmet. They do. They
get rarely gets called used to helmet on the on
the ball carrier. They do fine. And want I know,
you know the kid from the Giants Scatteraboo, he's out now,
but he I think he got fined two or three
times his first couple of games for lower on his
head and initiating contact with the helmet.
Speaker 7 (51:37):
So it is.
Speaker 8 (51:38):
It is a hard one, especially East, because now it
feels like I watch games and I feel like I
see seventeen hip drop tackles. I'm like, and they're not
They're not done maliciously. It's just that's the mechanics of
the body trying to get this bigger guy on the ground.
It just happens. And so I think defense is at
a disadvantage. I don't think that's going to change, but
(52:01):
it's just one of those things we've got to kind
of work through at this point.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
Dean always appreciate it. Thanks so much. We do it
again next week. All right, guys, there he is of
a great Dean Blandino. Get him on x at Dean
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