Best of Outkick the Coverage: 01/14/2020

Clay Travis is live from Bourbon Street, after attending LSU's massive win over Clemson for the National title and Clay is beyond impressed with Joe Burrow. Jason Martin is part of the traveling show and Clay asks him if Burrow just turned in the greatest single season of any college player in history. Joel Klatt, Charles Davis and Petros each join the Tuesday fun and get to weigh-in on last night’s big game and Burrow’s crazy performance. Plus, Petros talks about how USC is feeling after Coach O’s huge night and Charles Davis helps preview the AFC and NFC Championship games!

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(00:27):
What a epic performance from Joe Burrow last night. We're
talking about the man, the myth, the legend, Joe Burrow
going out and posting four hundred and sixty three yards
passing five passing touchdowns one rushing touchdown. He also helped

(00:52):
put up six hundred and twenty eight yards of offense
for the l. S U Tigers going up against what
had been the nation's best defense. They came back. L
s You did from a seventeen to seven deficit against Clemson.
I believe it was early in the second half, if

(01:12):
I'm not mistaken, outscored Clemson thirty five to eight from
that point forward, and Joe Burrow put together. Let's not
make this confusing, Let's not complicate this. This is the
single greatest season that any college quarterback has ever produced
in the history of the sport. He went for sixty

(01:35):
five total touchdowns, passing and running through four over five thousand,
six hundred yards against the best competition that anyone could
play in the country. He did fantastic against. These are
teams that Joe Burrow and LSU beat this year Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Oklahoma,

(02:00):
uh and Clemson. That doesn't even count Texas. But I
believe those six teams are six of the top teams
it top ten teams in the country. Ls you beat
them all on route to becoming I believe, the best
fifteen and oh team in the history of college football.
One of them, I believe was like pen back in

(02:20):
eine two or something like that. And then last year
Clemson went fifteen and oh. But nobody has gone fifteen
and oh and played anywhere near the caliber of competition Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Oklahoma,
and Clemson the nation's best conference, the most dominant performance
you can possibly imagine. Joe Burrow is gonna be drafted

(02:41):
number one overall. His ability to know and get better
as the game goes along is absolutely splendid. His ability
to recognize defenses, his ability to PenPoint pass, and to
completely manage things in a flaw this fashion. This is

(03:02):
an unprecedented level of success for Joe Burrow. Again, I
think the best we have ever seen from a college
quarterback in the history of the sport. Now it's not
just Joe Burrow. This is redemption and a sense for
L s U, which came into New Orleans the last
time they were trying to win a championship with Les

(03:25):
Miles as their head coach and a thirteen and old
football team, and Nick Saban and Alabama embarrassed them here
in New Orleans found a way to get the win
against L s U. L s U had beaten Alabama
nine to six earlier that season. This is a party
that feels like it's been nine years in the waiting

(03:47):
and L s U comes into town. They had a
seventy incredible environment in the in the Superdome. I was
there watching it. It was a splint performance. The party
raged on into the night. I'm gonna be honest with
you all, it's still going in the French quarter. I
feel like all night long they have continued to serve.

(04:10):
It was loud all night in my hotel room. I
could hear people out in the streets well into the night,
uh and on into the morning. Where we are doing
the show now on Tuesday morning, as people are picking
themselves up literally out of the gutters, I think that's
happening in some places and dusting themselves off, still celebrating
the Bayou Bengals big win. It's not just Joe Burrow either.

(04:34):
How about at Oseron, a guy who was told by
USC you aren't good enough to be our head coach
when he went six and two is an interim head coach,
A guy who I'll be honest with you, I didn't
believe in at all when he was at ole Miss,
because he went ten and twenty five as a head
coach three and twenty one in the SEC. And you

(04:55):
can go back and look at my comments when l
s you hired at Oseron, I said, they are settling.
This guy is not going to be able to compete
at a high level with Nick Saban. I didn't believe
it based on what I had seen and how incompetent
he was as a head coach with ole Miss, how
unable they were to ever have an offense that made sense.

(05:15):
He recruited well, he brought in a lot of talent,
talent that was good enough eventually for Houston Nutt to
be able to come in and win with the players
that he had brought to Oxford. But ten and twenty five,
three and twenty one, I didn't believe that he could
be a success at l s U. And here he
is forty and nine now at l s U, twenty

(05:37):
three and seven in the SEC, fifteen and oh outright
nine and oh in the SEC this year, and a
national champion. It's an incredible story Hollywood storybook ending for
both at Ogeron and for Joe Burrow, because remember Joe
Burrow was the quarterback who dreamed his entire life of

(05:58):
playing for Ohio State that Ohio State said you're not
good enough. Dwayne Haskins wins the job. He's a graduate transfer.
Last year at l s U. He's just okay. Sixteen touchdowns,
six interceptions. No one on the planet believed that he
was gonna come in and perform like this. Hell, you
could have gotten him at two hundred to one to

(06:19):
win the Heisman Trophy. It is off the charts what
he was able to accomplish sixty five touchdowns, and this
is what he's done in the final three games of
his college career. How About against Georgia, pretty good football team.
How About against Oklahoma in the playoffs? How about against
Clemson in the playoffs? Six team touchdowns, zero interceptions. Since

(06:44):
he has gotten done with the regular season when he
went twelve and oh and since he has played against Georgia,
who you remember was a top four team? Oklahoma? Who
you remember? Top four team Clemson? Second best team in
college football according to UH, the way that the playoff
worked out and Joe Burrow goes out and dominates. Congratulations

(07:07):
to l s U fans, Congratulations to Joe Alleva. I
believe it was the athletic director at l s U
who made the decision to go with that ogeron when
I'll be honest with you, UH, the sexy higher would
have been Tom Herman in Texas or Jimbo Fisher leaving
f SU to come to l s U. Those were
the rumored names guys who had want at a high

(07:28):
level Instead coach oh and that gruff go Tiger talk
has been the absolute perfect higher in the absolute perfect situation.
I just I don't know what else to say except
that L s U clearly the unquestioned best team in
college football this year, Joe Burrow the greatest college football
quarterback of all time, and incredible redemption both for Burrow

(07:52):
and his family finding a new home in Louisiana and
for coach oh who seems like he's out of center
real casting, the perfect coach to be representing L s
U and all the die hard Purple and Gold people
all over this great state where we are broadcasting from
today for the second day in a row. Everybody is

(08:13):
letting the good times roll La and Tom Roulet. I
believe as I mangled that probably in my French accent,
but it's been all about that in the French quarter.
I want to bring in Jason Martin. Now, j Martin,
you watched last night. You saw the performance by Joe Burrow,
how dominant L. S U was, and how incredible it

(08:33):
has become that coach O wins a national title and
Joe Burrow, the guy that nobody wanted, puts up the
greatest season in the history of college football. It's all remarkable,
isn't it. It's unbelievable. Um, you know there are times
when you feel like you're stealing money in this job,
and me being paid today to sit here and tell

(08:55):
you Joe Burrow is good. It's one of those times. Yeah,
this was transcendent. This is something we've never seen before.
I was just looking at the current final AP top
pole and you think about L s U and who
they went through this year. They beat Clemson, they beat Georgia,
they beat Florida, they beat Oklahoma, and they beat Alabama.

(09:17):
That's five of the top eight in the final poll
any Associated Press. I'm pretty sure that's never been done before.
And they didn't just beat those teams, they annihilated those teams,
and in some respects, the teams didn't look the same
after they played them either. You go back to that
Texas game, which seems so long ago. Texas is back. No,

(09:38):
they're really not like after that happened, they were not
the same football team. L s U was so good.
They demoralized you when you played against them. If you
can beat Trevor Lawrence and make him I saw this
stat he had thirteen overthrows against L s U, which
is the second worst in any FBS game performance by
a quarterback all season This is Trevor law Rance. We're

(10:00):
talking about that Dude's really good. Everybody's entitled to a
bad day, but it seemed like most everybody had a
horrible day when they matched up with Joe Burrow in
this offense. What we just saw was a redemption story
for two guys. You mentioned O Geran, but when you
think of Joe Burrow, how easy Clay and I actually
mentioned this on my Fox Show about a month ago,

(10:21):
I said, and when he won the Heisman, how easy
would it be if you dreamed of playing at Ohio
State and you were there but couldn't get on the field.
To play the victim card and to say, you know what,
this ain't gonna work out for me, and just be
that guy. Because it's real easy to get down on yourself,
play the victim card and try to draw in sympathy.

(10:42):
It's a lot harder to not let that define you.
Your hardships don't define you. What defines you is how
you react to said hardships, how you react to adversity,
and sports is a good metric for that. We see
it all the time, and we just saw it with
Joe Borrow, and we just saw it with that Ozeron.
We saw it with Virginia Cavaliers losing to a sixteen

(11:04):
seed and coming back the next year and winning the
National championship. We saw a ten year struggle for Tiger
Woods to get back, but he did make it back
and actually win the Masters last year. This is an
ultimate example of somebody who did not let a bad circumstance,
a tough scenario, something that hurt his ego, I'm sure,
and hurt his pride and was tough for his family.

(11:25):
He didn't let that define him Clay. He came back
and he went fifteen and oh, which only two teams
have ever done in the history of college football, and
put forth by far inarguably the best season I've ever
seen from a college football player. I don't know what
else I need to say. It was absolutely unbelievable to
witness this season from Joe burrow Man. It really was,

(11:47):
and it was so improbable. Again, if you kind of
use the Heisman Trophy prognostications as a rough approximation of
what to expect two hundred to one, that is, if
you put down a dollar on Joe burrow you would
have gotten two hundred dollars back before the season started,
and the Heisman Trophy is for the best single season,

(12:10):
right for the for the most outstanding player. We're not
even talking about him being the most outstanding player this season.
We are talking about him being the greatest quarterback in
one season in college football history, which would have been
what like two thousand to one. I mean, I don't
know what the numbers would have been on Joe Burrow
putting up what he did sixty total touchdowns, and again,

(12:35):
to think about it, you ran through all those great
teams that he beat, but just starting with Georgia, Oklahoma
and Clemson, three teams that were ranked in the top
four when he played against them. Sixteen touchdowns, no interception.
That's absurd. It really is amazing. This is outkicked the

(12:55):
coverage with Clay Travis joined now by Joel Clatt. You
can follow him on Twitter at Joel Clatt. He's on
his way up to the Fox a lot to to
sit in with Colin Cowherd and break down what happened
in the college football national title game last night. He'll
be on Fox Sports Radio later today doing that as well.

(13:17):
But he joins us now, uh and so Joel, let's
dive right into it here. Uh I I tweeted this,
and I don't look I. I tweet a lot of things.
Some things are smart, like, uh like, hey, Joe Burrow
is uh is maybe the greatest college quarterback of all
time for one season. Other things are such as there's
no way at oseron ever wins at a high level

(13:39):
at l s U. Uh. So, let's break down what
we learned last night in this game. First of all,
is this the greatest single season for a quarterback in
college football history? Uh? Joe Burrow sixty five touchdowns, he
puts helps to post six hundred and twenty eight yards
of offense. Uh in a game to win the national
champion and ship his team goes fifteen to know. My

(14:01):
argument is, yes, would you argue anything else? Uh? No,
I wouldn't argue against that. It is. I tweeted the
same thing. It's the best single season a quarterback play
that we've ever seen. He set the touchdown record being
called Brennan's mark. Called Brennan played at Hawaii. He beat
Colt McCoy's mark of completion percentage. Uh So he's got
the highest completion percentage ever. He's not that far from

(14:25):
yards and when you look at some of the competition
that those guys place outside of Colt McCoy, who faced
a much better Big twelve than it was now you know,
I mean he did this against what is it five
top fifteen defenses, I mean Clay So this was the
number one defense in the country. It was supposed to
be um number one defenses in the country, you know,

(14:47):
in particular when they're facing really good offenses in the
National Championship game, are supposed to be the ones that win.
In fact, the only other number one offense that went
against a great defense and one was that oh five
Texas team. So you know, I think that when you
look at at this season. He didn't play at Hawaii,
you know, all respect to Colet Brendan, who actually know

(15:08):
personally you know, before he transferred to Hawaii was at
Colorado with me and it was a teammate of mine.
But this he did this against Georgia and Florida and
and at Texas when we all thought Texas was really good. Uh,
he did this against Auburn at Alabama, he did it
against like I said, Georgia in the SEC championship game, Oklahoma,

(15:29):
number four team in the country, and the playoffs. Again,
it against the number one defense, Clemson. This was the
best single season any quarterback has ever played in our sport.
And I don't and I don't really think that you
can argue against that. It really was remarkable. And he
never had an off game. That's the one thing that
I think is the most remarkable is that he never

(15:49):
threw out that game. I was like, oh, he threw
for six and to two interceptions Like that didn't happen
play It's it's insane the level of consistency that he had.
And even after Clemson was getting pressure on him early,
even after he was shaking up just a little bit
last night, even after he was maybe flustered a little
bit in the first few series, what do you do?

(16:10):
He just kept plugging along and then just delivered dime
after dime down the stretch, in particular on those fade
routes to Jamaar Chase. So can the Bengals even screw
him up? Like, let's let's take a look the problem.
But that's the problem. Yes, they can screw him up.
That's that's what sucks. Like Joe Burrow played himself into

(16:31):
a terrible situation. Financially great, but from a career standpoint,
like an awful situation. He's got to go to one
of the worst organizations in football. So uh, I listen.
I know Zach Taylor personally, and I think he's a
really good coach. I hope he had success. I think
he's a really good quarterback coach. He understands what he's doing.

(16:52):
But you know, I mean, would you want to go
to Cincinnati? No? I mean if and if I did,
you know what I would? You know, it's a shame
some what that we almost don't get a package deal
in a situation like this. Because I'll be honest with you,
I feel like the Cincinnati Bengals should pay whatever it
takes to bring Joe Brady with uh with uh, certainly

(17:14):
Joe Burrow to Cincinnati. Like, if you're gonna invest it
to pay this guy fifty million dollars and you know
or whatever the number is, I don't know what the
number one overall pick gets guarantee, but it's around fifty
million dollars. I think if you're gonna make that, I
think it was one or two. That could be wrong. Okay,
So if you're gonna guarantee somebody that whatever it takes.

(17:34):
For Joe Brady to leave L s U and come
with Joe Burrow would be a decision that I would
make and have to do right because I want him
surrounded by whatever the best possible scenario is to help
him learn and to put him in the best possible
situation to succeed in the NFL. Because you watched him
play this year. I watched him play this year. He

(17:56):
can make every throw right, Like, there's not throws that
he can't make. He's clearly a cerebral guy. He gets
better as games go along. It took him a little while, Joel.
Like last night, it was seventeen to seven, Clemson was
up and L s U had looked a little bit wobbly. Now,
partly that's because they penned them deep a couple of
the early possessions and they couldn't really kind of get

(18:17):
the space going that they needed. But from being down
seventeen to seven, l s U outscored Clemson thirty five
to eight the rest of the game, and really it
wasn't very close. Now Clemson's credit, they came out and
scored early in the second half to make us think, Okay,
what's gonna happen here, but they never really put themselves

(18:37):
in position where you felt like, oh, Clemson's gonna take
control of this game. I no, I totally agree. Um Okay,
two parts to that, the whole Joe Brady thing. Let
me get to you. I mean, you made all strong points.
Let me just work through all of them if you
don't mind. Okay. So the Bengals Joe Brady type issue
here is the one saving grace I think for Oburrow

(19:01):
is that if you if you get back into like
the origins of offense of what he was running this
year that Joe Brady brought in the passing game with Ensminger,
they were running the New Orleans Saints offense. That offense
via Sean Payton, has its origins in the West Coast. Okay,
so it's kind of a West Coast system, okay, style

(19:23):
that the terminology, the philosophy, the way the quarterback is
supposed to think and and read progressions, and how he's
supposed to view certain coverages, so on and so forth. Well,
Zach Taylor with Cincinnati, he's also a West Coast disciple.
Remember uh he was with um on I'm blanking his name,
Why am I blaking his name. He was with the

(19:45):
l A coach out here, Sean McVeigh. I always forget
his name for sometime. Yes, it's weird. I don't think
there's many Shawn's. I forget the McVeigh. I don't know
what it is. There's certain names you know that sometimes
you just forget. And he's one for me too. He
it's his he's too handsome. He was blinding me with
flora um. And so he has his background if you

(20:07):
remember now, back through the Redskins and and really through
kind of the Shanahan tree, and and that's how he
came up, which is the West Coast origins. So I
will I will say that when you're looking at Fit
from a schematic standpoint, if you if you throw away
the the the really poor nature of the organization when

(20:28):
you look at football fit, this is a decent football
fit for Burrow under Zach Taylor. So I don't think
that they have to have Joe Brady as well. You're
making a stut point, but but you know what I mean.
It has to do more with just the origins of offense,
and he is going to go to an offense that
has its origins in the West Coast, and I think
that that's gonna help. That's gonna help a lot. Now

(20:48):
to your point about the game and how he got
better the entire time, he absolutely did. You were correct
about them getting backed up, And it was like Limson
knew that they were going to have to come in
as an underdog and a championship fight and throw some
haymakers early. And they did that. And they did that,
and Brent Venables had a really good game plan and

(21:09):
they were confusing L s U most of the night
with their pass rush. And guess what, regardless of how
many times they threw a confusing pressure at Joe Burrow
or how many times they hit him, which they did often,
he never panicked. Never one time last night did Joe
Burrow to get flustered or panic. This dude was just
like the steely eyed assassin. And he just kept coming back,

(21:31):
going through his progression and delivering the ball accurately. Um,
you're right. He probably played a little bit fast for
his own good early in the game, but man, by
the end of the game, he had figured him out.
He was delivering the ball in the right spot. I
hope he has a ton of success. He's gonna get
paid forty or fifty million dollars, and I hope that
he gets the second contract. This is the type of

(21:53):
guy that is easy for NFL evaluators to look at
and say, Yep, this absolutely works in the FL because
he's operating an NFL system. He's making checks on his own,
he knows protections, he anticipates windows, he throws guys open.
He's accurate, he's on time, he checks every single box
and and clay. This is my favorite part about Joe

(22:16):
Brady is the dude has had to deal with adversity.
See so many times that I used to talk with
John Kitten about this a lot. Actually, we would call
it the only child syndrome of quarterback play. When a
quarterback has been the pampered star his entire life. And
there are many of them right that have never had
to compete for a job, never faced adversity. Those guys

(22:38):
you never you never exactly know how things are gonna
go when they face adversity in the NFL. Now with
this guy, we know he was lightly recruited. He had
to transfer from Ohio State because they gave the job
to Dwayne Haskins. He went in there and he had
to win over new teammates. He became a leader, he
became a captain. He had an average season, then he
had a great season. Like this, dude has been down

(23:00):
the war path, and you know how he's gonna deal
with adversity. You know his leadership style. It's a no brainer,
and I hope he has a ton of success. We're
talking to Joel Klatt, Fox lead college football analyst. Let's
talk about Ed Oseron for a minute. All right, I
got this completely wrong. I don't remember exactly what you said,

(23:21):
but when l s U decided to hire him, I said,
my god, this is such a mishap. To not get
Tom Herman to allow Texas to outplay you, to allow
Jimbo Fisher to play you a little bit. It felt
like at Florida State, so that you kind of fell
on back on at oh, coach Oseron, you didn't have
a better option. I looked at what happened with him

(23:43):
at Old Miss. It was a disaster, and I said,
if he couldn't win at all at Old Miss, I
don't believe he's gonna take over l s U and
be able to compete with the Nick Sabans of the world.
I got that completely wrong. I don't know what you
thought when LSU hired him, But what does this say
about coaching fit and second chances that he could fail

(24:04):
so epically at Old Miss and be a national championship
winning coach at l s U. There aren't a lot
of examples that we could even point to. And one
reason there aren't a lot of examples is a lot
of times when a guy fails completely somewhere, he doesn't
get the second opportunity. Everything had to eventually fall right
for coach oh, and really it cost him USC as well. Right,

(24:24):
that's the reason he didn't get a second option, uh,
second chance at USC, because they were afraid uh to
to be that that school giving him a second chance.
That's that's exactly right. And and but sometimes you know,
you're never the coach that that you You never reach
your potential unless you go through some of those trials
and tribulations, you know. And I think he needed Old Miss,
He needed to be rebuffed by USC. You need some

(24:47):
of those play you and I talked about I can't
remember what you called that podcast and thought it was
really good, but it was Origins or something like that.
And win loss, Yeah, yeah, yeah, the wins and losses,
that's right, and and the way a lot. It was
a fascinating discussion. I felt like we had I remember.
One of the points that I made to you was
like one of the most frustrating parts and parts about

(25:09):
hindsight is realizing that I always desperately wanted to be
a lead analyst in college football for a network. But
in hindsight, I realized that I wasn't ready until I
actually got it, you know, like I needed to experience
some of the things that I experienced, some of the
failures that I that I went through in my life
before I was I was good enough and prepared enough

(25:30):
to be where I'm at today. And I'm not liking
that being a head coach. But Brett Ogeron he needed
to be on the path to be the guy is uh,
you know, waking up a national championship coach this morning,
Um so fit has a lot to do with it.
And I will take you back to exactly what I said,
because I got it a little bit wrong as well.

(25:51):
Not jack failure, but I did say, why in the
world would you pay this guy three and a half
million dollars or whatever they paid three point eight million
dollars at a time, like who else was offering? You know, like,
at some point you've got to understand leverage. And I thought,
like ed Oh has no leverage right now, why are
you paying him over three and a half million dollars
to be your head coach? Obviously that was a little

(26:12):
bit shortsighted hindsight, But hindsight now delivers a ring for
for l s U. I think fit has a lot
to do with it. He obviously fits there. And I
would make one other point, and I think that this
is something that we need to start viewing, um a
little bit more acutely and more accurately as we evaluate

(26:33):
jobs and head coaches and head coaching possibilities around college football,
maybe even in the NFL. But if you look at
since the year two thousands, some of the best dynasties,
if you want to call it or runs in college football,
you would start with Miami, of course, but then you
would go to USC. USC Pete Carroll was their fifth choice,

(26:55):
and they were widely panned for making that higher, and
they thought he was kind of a failed option and
from the NFL before he went on a run with USC.
Then you start looking at some of the other runs
that took place, uh, and I would put Clemson on
a little bit of a run right now. They were
widely panned for hiring Dabo Sweeney as a guy that

(27:15):
was an interim and then they gave him a job,
and everyone thought, why in the world would give Dabo
Sweeney this job? Now he's one of a couple of
national championships within the National Championship again tonight. He's been
in four National Championship games now and the last one
is in five years. I mean, the guy is constantly
there um and now at oseron who's a national champion

(27:36):
and what was he? He was a guy that was
an interim coach and kind of got that tag lifted.
There's a lot of ringing of hands and everything like that.
You see some of the other guys making playoff appearances.
Look at Ryan Day, he was hired from within, Lincoln
Riley was hired from within. And then some of the
splashiest hires out there have not panned out, namely Jimbo
Fisher at at Texas A and m we'll see what

(27:56):
happens next year, and Tom Herman at Texas. So think
it's just a fascinating look at since the year two thousand,
we've had guys that were widely criticized before they coached
the game, and they turned a program into an power um,
you know, without a ton of experience in their back pocket,
as as the head coach as it relates to the
success from that standpoint. So just something interesting that I

(28:19):
think we should all be aware of moving into the future. Uh.
Last question for you, what do you think about Trevor Lawrence.
He wasn't very good in this game. He was superb
in his game last year at this time. You came
on with us right after Clemson had won with a
true freshman, after they whipped Nick Saban. Uh. He missed
a lot of throws tonight. He was high on a

(28:40):
lot of the throws. I gotta give l s u
a lot of credit because they put him in third
and long quite a bit. But also he was nowhere
near the same quarterback uh in this title game as
he was his first title game. What do you attribute
that to? Was it just finally looked the guys? Whatever?
He was twenty nine wins in a row for Clemson.
They were due to have a game where they didn't
kind of click on all cylinders. What did you see?

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Did you anything see anything to be concerned about? For him? Well,
I think from him not not really, other than it's
becoming pretty apparent to me that their conference is so
easy that they're not forced to be very creative offensively.

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And I think that they've gotten very comfortable with what
they do and it's not very hard to figure out.
And I think in other words, their players are just
so much better that they don't have to out scheme anybody.
That's right, they don't out scheme anybody. And and I
think Lawrence falls into the trap of waiting until guys
are open to throw the football. And if you do

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that against a team like l s U or even
Ohio State, which they didn't throw the ball well against. Remember,
I mean, it's not like they were light in the
world on fire throwing the football against Ohio State. And
in the in the same respect, you can't wait windows
to be open. When Joe Burrow was anticipating throws and
throwing his guys open, Lawrence was waiting to see throws

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open before he released. And when you do that, there's
there's a sense of, I don't know what the right
word is, play like jumpiness or panic in in your
throw and you kind of jump at the throw because
you want to make it right now you realize that
it's a touch late, just uh innately, you realize that
it's a touch late, and that's why I think some
of those throws were high. I think he is the

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product right now of his system, and if he worked
to get with a guy like Joe Brady or Ryan
Day or Lincoln Riley, he would take even more of
a jump than what we've seen over the last couple
of years. But right now, he's the product of what
I would call is is kind of a mundane offensive
system where he doesn't have to play great the entirety
of the season, and then at times when he gets

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into those big games late in the year. At least
this year, I felt like the speed of the game
was different for him, and he didn't play play quite
like I thought he would in particular, and like last
night's ball game. So I think that he needs a
coach that's better for him from a quarterback perspective than
what he has now. Outstanding stuff is always go Follow
Joel on Twitter at Joel Klatt. You can listen to

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him later today with Colin Cowherd breaking down everything as well.
Appreciate my man awesome thank fund. Be sure to catch
live editions about Kicked the coverage with Clay Travis week
days at six am Eastern three am Pacific. He joins
us every single Tuesday. He is Charles Davis Voice of Madden.

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He comes and he knocks it out on Fox with NFL.
We got some NFL questions. We'll get to him, but first, Charles,
you've watched college football your whole life, like a lot
of us who are listening right now, like I have,
I don't believe we've ever seen a quarterback better than
Joe Burrow just completed this season fifteen and oh at

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oh Geron now national championship winning coach, the entirety of
and the enormity of what l s you just last
night in New Orleans? Have you ever see anything like
it from Joe Burrow as a quarterback? Can the Bengals
even mess him up? That's a great question. And look,
bottom line is this as much as I absolutely and

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I'll just lay it on the line, and I think
you'll know rom coming from. I despise having to say, well,
this guy is the greatest system that and one season's
worth of you know, it looks he's been a two
year starter there, so let's not let's not get it wrong,
but this one season makes him the great. But when
you sit and analyze, because it's funny because a friend

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of ours and I let him go name us, but
you would know him in the business class, he texted
me similar question about a week ago. Is this the
best single season that a guy has had playing quarterback
in college football? And I was like, darn it, don't
ask me those kinds of things. But yeah, but the
answer is yeah, and there's and there's no way you
can I don't think there's any way you can say otherwise,

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because look, we've lived through a lot of great quarterbacks,
a lot of great play, a lot of great college
football moments, a lot of great college football careers. But
what he has done has been so off the charts
because usually there's at least one average game, one conquer,
one struggle. Well what path for struggle tonight? With him
down seventeen to seven and he still ends up to

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on what five touchdown passes, makes great plays with his
feet absorbed, That big kid comes back from that, Yes,
in a long winded way the answers, yes, the greatest
single season a quarterback has ever had in college football.
I would vote yes. Thirty one, four hundred and sixty
three yards passing five touchdowns and he also, oh, by

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the way, ran fourteen times for fifty eight yards and
another touchdown. Six touchdowns. Charles this year he accounted for
throwing and rushing sixty five touchdowns. I mean that you.
You are the voice of Madden. If I if one
of my sons tells me that they have a quarterback

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who's done that in their Madden game, I tell them
they need to up the difficulty level because they're not
challenging themselves enough. And they'd beat seven teams ranked in
the top ten if I heard that correctly at night
at the time that they played them. Then if you
go back and take Georgia and the SEC championship game,
Oklahoma in the Semis Finals, that taking on obviously UM

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Clemson in the National Championship game, that's three straight top
five teams that they've beaten at the time that they've
played them. This is this is this is clearly one
of the greatest runs and one of the greatest seasons
in college football history. And I'm right back to, oh god,
I'm making that snap judgment again. But I don't know
how again you can argue otherwise. And I'll give you
one quick thing. Years ago, when the BCS existed, I

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did a BCS National championship game with an Oklahoma team
that came in after and over fifty points per game.
They were after fifty point four or something like that,
and Florida shut them down in the national title and
beat the seven team. This team came in averaging l
s U point something per game and went ahead and
decimated a very good Clemson team. All Right, I know

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the a CEC was quote unquote down this year. Clemson wasn't.
That is a really good team that after the early
you know, fight that they had, clearly after the first
score of the second half, LSU absolutely reduced it to rubble.
I mean, they were dominant in the second half. Wow,
that is one heck of a good football team. Six

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hundred and twenty eight yards of offense and this was
a one of the best defenses in the NFL's to
I mean, in the college football statistically. Now you pointed
it out, the a c C as a group was
not particularly sound, but they handled South Carolina pretty easily,
They handled they handled Texas A and M pretty easily,
and everybody that they played in the A, C, C

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and L s U just kind of toyed with him
and they came back from a seventeen to seven deficit.
I mean after and my math is always a little
bit difficult, but I believe after spotting them a seventeen
to seven lead, L s U outscored Clemson from that
point for thirty five to eight. So, uh, you know,
I mean that is a heck of a run to
put on somebody. Uh, to come back from a seventeen

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to seven deficit and to finish it the way they did.
Um is uh, you know, just kind of running away
with it now, Trevor Lawrence, we all know is really good.
We talked about how good Joe Burrow is. You spend
a lot of time analyzing and breaking down guys for
the next level. Did you see anything? Is it just
L s U being that good? I mean he was
high on a lot of throws. I believe that Clemson

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went one for ten or one for eleven or something
like that. On on third downs. They couldn't extend drives
a lot of those were long third downs because L.
S U put them into third and long a lot.
But you know, let's be honest, Joe Burrow is a
third down and long eracer. The best quarterbacks in the
NFL in college are and Trevor Lawrence, at least four tonight,

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was not that now, and and L. S U secondary
more than up for the challenge because what they were
playing against with Clemson one of the best receiving cors
in the country. Not the best though, because L s
who has the best receiving cors in the country, and
Alabama would have one that would rank up there as well,
but still a te Higgins and the rest of that

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crew of he got dinged up a little bit wasn't
able to be on. The bottom line was every time
you looked up in those third down situations, whether they
were long, short, long distance or not, you had a
white jersey affixed to orange jersey's downfield. That made it
very difficult for Trevor Lawrence to find anyone that balls in,

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and as the game went on, it became increasingly difficult
and his accuracy really went went went south on it,
something you don't see very often from Trevor Lawrence. Look,
he'll be back. He'll be the guy we're talking about
next year at the top of the draft board as
we head into the season, and rightly so. But but
in this ball game at a Superdome on National Championship Night,

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the best quarterback on the field was the guy who
won the Heisman Trophy. That was Joe Burrow. And I
said it going into the game, Clay bottom line with him,
you almost want him to throw on time and in
rhythm because when he when he creates extra time and
breaks out of there, don't big plays usually end up
as a result for L s U. And we saw
that time and time again in that game against clumpson

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Joe Burrow's movement skills, keeping eyes down fields and his
receivers knowing this and staying alive for him to create
those plays. It was lethal. We're talking to Charles Davis
at CFD twenty two. You can find him on Twitter. There,
you can listen to him as the voice of Madden.
You can hear him on this show very frequently as
we break down NFL action, and you can always watch

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him on the NFL on Fox calling games as big
and as impressive as Joe Burrow was how about the
Edo Geron story. Charles, You've got a guy who grew
up in Louisiana, who is born and bred as much
of a L. S U. Tiger as anybody could be
in any kind of way connected to their alma mater

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from a college perspective with coach oh and for him
to lead L s U to a championship and do it,
I'm gonna be honest with you after USC basically said
this guy is a little bit too to redneck, let's
be honest to cajun to not uh not l a
for the Hollywood trojans and for him. And I didn't

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believe it. I didn't believe that he could win like
this because of what happened to him at Old Miss.
What does this say about coaching second chances in general?
Because for him this is a dream come true. This
is a Hollywood fairy tale ending for him. But how
many other coaches out there looking around saying, see, I
could do this too if I got the right opportunity.

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Because clearly at Old Miss he was a disaster. But
he learned from that disaster he had some success at USC.
USC never has approached what the what what L s
U was doing this year, and it seems like he's
really got things rolling. Now. Maybe it'll be a step back.
Maybe Joe Burrow is just that good and L s
U is just a top ten caliber team and they'll
come back down to earth next year. But they're recruiting
like crazy, and it seems like he is the perfect

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fit for this program. Oh, I think at this stage
now we we know for sure he is the perfect fit. Look,
if you took the old Miss thing out, he's central
casting for L s U. Right, all the things you said,
born and bred, to the way he speaks, you know
how how much he embraces the state, the go Tigers.
Everything is perfectly there. But then you say, but yes,

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but Kenny chose because Old Miss didn't work very well.
I know he was. He was good at USC in
the short term at six and two, but they didn't
keep him. And that was Pat Hayden who didn't keep it,
who was one of the smartest guys I've ever met
in the business, even though it didn't end well for
him and his tenure at USC. Is an athletic director,
but as you said, probably didn't fit the mold of
what they were looking for. But the one thing that

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he's always been able to do. His recruit didn't matter
where he was in the country, did it, Clay, didn't
matter whether he's on the West coast, where he's on
the East coast. He recruits talent. And l. S U
was doing that again under his tutelage getting Joe Burrow. Look,
that was almost a master stroke. And and to this
day and look down the road, we're gonna someone's gonna

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write a book and say, you know how State had
essentially two first round picks in their in their in
their meeting room. One was picked through fifty touchdown pass
the other one to L. S U won a Heisman
and became the number one pick in the NFL draft.
That's off, that's off the chart. Normally you pick a
guy and you go, oh, why did they pick that guy?

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The other guy won the Heisman somewhere else now. The
other guy, Dwayne Haskins, was the player of the year
Big ten and threw fifty touchdown passes. So it wasn't
a mistake. It's just that Joe Burrow's time and place
was elsewhere and ed ors around. I think this will
continue where they will be a major factor in the
SEC West because he fits the L s U L

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s U fit Tim and he's its a're gonna want
to go play for him. He's always been able to recruit.
All Right, You are an NFL analyst as well as
being a big college football guy, and we just happen
to be talking to you the morning after the big
college football game. So I want to get quick thoughts
from you here on the a f C in the
NFC Championship game. In addition to doing all that you
do calling a game of the week for the NFL

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on Fox, you were also calling Tennessee Titan preseason games.
Titans get a unbelievable win on the road against the Ravens,
second huge back to back road win. They now are
going on the road against the Chiefs. How do you
break down that game for the Titans and what did
you think of their performance against Lamar Jackson, John Harbaugh

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and the Baltimore Ravens. I'll start with the second part
of it. It was scintilating, just as it was in
New England, but this one maybe even more so because
a lot of times plays you know, once you surprise someone,
the second one test is a lot tougher. Now, you've
got everyone's attention. I go, okay, we won't be surprised
by this. I thought that the ability of Derrick Hennry

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to continue to eat carries and and and and really
lay it on defenses, and that offensive line giving him
great access to the secondary before he pounds people. That's
obviously one big, big key to success. The second part
I thought was their defense. They had a game plan
that was ready for Lamar Jackson. But Mike Rabel, the
head coach, Dnps the coordinator. I don't want to act

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like I'm not giving them credit plan. I hope you
understand where I'm coming from. But their defensive game plan
wasn't something that was so exotic that no one else
has tried it. It's just that they executed it better
than anyone else. They had the discipline to actually play
option football, read their keys, take care of their assignments,
and make it difficult. Did Lamar Jackson get yards, Yes,

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but I thought Dan founton the TV broadcast pointed out perfectly,
he's getting yards, but he's not gashing them, and that
was huge for the Tennessee Titans. I think they played
great and yeah, there's the blueprint. I mean people are
going to actually execute it. That team did so I
think that this team has played with supreme confidence and play.
You know this Titans team as well as I do.

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This is what they This was their vision of what
they would be when the season began, but they couldn't
get there until they got Mariota right. Didn't happen. Tan
Hill took over, the offensive line, had to call less together,
Taylor the wand had to come back, etcetera. Arthur Smith
to play caller, had to get it right. And Derrick
Henry had to get healthy because he wasn't healthy in
the preseason. He's more than healthy now and he doesn't

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mind carrying the ball thirty times a game. You ever
seen anything like what Derrick Henry is doing right now.
I mean, we talked about we talked about Joe Parpagaro,
and I know you said, I hate having to be
like prisoner at the moment, but it's not prisoner at
the moment to say, No one has ever run for
one eight plus in three straight games in the history
of the NFL. And I think, as Mike Vrabel said,
when you hear the phrase in the history of the NFL,

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and it's a positive it probably mean something pretty good. Yeah,
I think Mike's onto something there. And look, I was
asked about this a couple days ago after Derrick Henry's big,
big game in Baltimore, and someone said, are we seeing
something that's just unprecedented? And I said, no, we're not
seeing something unprecedented. In what they met was is Derrick

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Henry an unprecedented type? Back, I'm like, no, we've seen
Derrick Henry before. Have you ever heard Earl Campbell the
same franchise? Yeah, okay, that's just one example. But your
point is well taken. And what I said was, but
this run he's on is unprecedented and historic and we
should be celebrating it because everyone knows he's coming and
he's still delivering one a D plus go back to

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about eight games in the season. Clay's after like a
hundred sixty yards game over his last eight. That's ridiculous territory.
I can't wait to see how this thing continues to
turn out in the FC title game. Uh, we're talking
to Charles Davis. All right, so we've got Titans, we've
got Chiefs. What happens in the NFC. You've got the
two best teams in the NFC not a particular surprise
at least based on seating Packers outlast the Seahawks and

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the forty Niner is just defensively, totally stifled everything the
Vikings were trying to do. Who's the favorite there? Who
do you think wins between the forty Niners and the
Seahawks out in San Francisco? I think San Francisco beating
Seattle in that last game of the regular season and
getting that open week was absolutely huge for him mentally
and physically, and they showed up against Minnesota. They finally

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got a chance to breathe after a difficult stretch to
finish and got a chance to heal as well. Here's
here's the way I see it. San Francisco to me,
is the favorite in this game. Green Bay loves to
play with five and six defensive backs against a team
that ran at forty seven times and bludgeons Minnesota. That's
a difficult territory. Kenny Clark in the middle, can he

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hold all that down? Tyler Lancaster, a lot of smaller
guys on the field with those running backs coming down
that big offensive line, that's a that's a tough task
for Mike Petton's defense for Green Bay and flipped over
to the other side. Can they run it well enough
with Aaron Jones Jamal Williams to keep it the third
manageable so they can't just tee off on Aaron Rod
To remember, they have five sacks in that Sunday night game.

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And then he threw for a hundred and four yards
I repeat on four and he had to get those hundred.
He had to get over a hundred mark late in
the ballgame. I don't see it going quite like that.
Class in Green Bay have be more competitive, but it's
difficult for me to see how they're going to beat them,
especially on with their defense on the field as well
as Green Bay has played. San Francisco will run the

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football if you continue to have that light box out there. Uh.
Good stuff as always from Charles Davis at cf D
twenty two. UH. We will talk to you maybe next week.
Maybe the Titans will be in the Super Bowl, who knows,
UH could be a heck of a conversation, or the
Chiefs will be there in Patrick Mahomes will be going
for his first We know that for sure coming out
of the a f C. I appreciate your time my man.

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Hope you enjoyed last night's game and thanks for coming
on with us. I certainly did a heck of a
college football season. Two undefeated matching up and one actually
proving to be dominant. What a year for L s U.
Congratulations to them. Amen for sure. That's Charles Davis at CFD.
To go follow him on Twitter, make sure you don't
miss it. Thank him for coming on this morning. This

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is outkicked the coverage with Clay's Travas. We bring in
now the man that we always do uh from a
m l A sports He is Petro sabad Akis, the
pet Petros and Money Show, wildly successful afternoon show and
you saw last night. Petros. First of all, thanks for

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getting up early with us, A guy you know pretty well.
I want to start with this angle for you. When
did you first meet at Ogeron? When he was hired
by Paul Hackett after getting involved and some bad stuff
at Miami. He was kind of being reclaimed into big

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time coaching by Paul Hackett to be the D line
coach at USC, so he was on the coaching staff
or three years when I played at USC SO I
knew ed intimately as a coach and competed against him,
you know, every spring and every camp and every Tuesday
and Wednesday, and he was every bit of the competitor

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he is today. He's obviously evolved. And I got to say, Clay,
I couldn't watch this game, you know, without rooting really
hard for l s U. I. I have a lot
of respect for Clemson's program and all that, but it
was really fun to see Ed kind of reached this pinnacle.
And for those of us in l A, it really

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felt like the Giant extended middle finger to USC and
Pat Hayden for not hiring head in the first place.
Can I ask you a couple of questions. How high
up is your hotel room? It was on floor, so
I could your good party. I can hear people partying though,
even on the floor with all the you know, for

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so it's impossible to drive around anywhere in like New
Orleans after this party got started, and I can hear
people all night long hawking, even up at the floor
of my hotel. Now it helped that I was way
up high in the sky. I can't even imagine if
I had a low level room, and if you were
in the French quarter tonight I mean the French Quarter
is always wild, right, this was wild even for French

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Quarter wild. Well, Sunday is a night off in New Orleans.
New Orleans is a weird culture where everybody kind of
does the same thing on different days of the week. Uh.
And they have kind of odd Southern traditions, as you know.
But Monday is the day that you know, perennially that
people do their laundry and that's when they eat the

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red beams and rice. Uh. And then that's Monday and
nobody drinks. Uh. This is different. I think there's a
lot of people waking up this morning that said usually
we don't drink a lot on Monday. I think there
are people all over Louisiana listening to us right now
who who definitely had their fair share of celebrating going on.

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So I want to go back to the coach. Oh. Uh,
would you have ever believed back this guy is going
to be a head coach one day? Oh yeah, you
could see. Well he was wild though, you know, he
was wild. We used to fight, you know, uh, I
mean we used to compete like like crazy, and he
was a wild man. You know, he would will that

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defense and he recruited his ass off, and he would
you know, create great defensive lines. You know what. The
players loved him. Well, he pushed the hell out of him.
You know, the defensive line wasn't really thrilled by how
hard he pushed him. He pushed him like a freaking taskmaster.
I mean, he was annimal and he intimidated the crap

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out of him. I mean, I mean he's he's evolved
as a coach, but I would have thought that he
would could become a head coach, especially after I mean,
somebody just sent me on Twitter an article about me
way back when we had that show on Fox, the
Saturday Morning Show, about me saying, you know that they

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need to hire at O Giron because you know, he's
proven himself, you know, in a month and a half
and turned a really negative situation at USC into a
positive one, you know, after the Steve Sarkissian embarrassment and
all that stuff, and you know, or the Lane Kiffin embarrassment.
Uh and and there was absolutely right back then, you know,
the guy was always going to be able to recruit

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and he was always going to be able to develop fronts.
Now what they found at l s U. You know,
which I'm sure many of your smarter guests are telling you.
You know, with Brady the passing game coordinator, and Joe
Burrow and I was really impressed with him last night,
and his feet and his ability to be accurate and
take hits, and and what a great leader and just

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overall of the team. I mean, they were wildly talented
and and overwhelmed everybody. There was one really eerie thing
about it to me, Clay. And you know, I don't
know how familiar you were with the Pete Carroll era
at USC, especially when they were really dominant, like that
two thousand four year when they beat Jason White's Oklahoma team. Remember,

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oh yeah, and that was Nicolas was going crazy in
the in the press box during Newlyweds they were filming
it and didn't did your dad get didn't your dad
getting like to an argument with the Sooner schooner people
he punched a guy in the tunnel? Uh? But I
mean that this is a lot like that, you know,

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this this this uh this l s U team this year.
I mean they got on the field with really good
teams and beat the living tar out of them, like Oklahoma,
like Alabama, and like Clemson. I mean beat their ass
at the end of the game. You know, they're running
the ball and running over people and taking a knee,

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so they'd score fifty. I mean that is pretty impressive.
And we had ad Ogeron on the show last week.
You know, he always calls in whenever he has time.
He always wants to talk to people in Los Angeles
through the show. I mean, he's been very consistent about
that for years. And uh, and I asked him about that,

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you know, if it does kind of feel like, you know,
when you were with Pete, you know, when you guys
really had it going, and he said, that's how we've
modeled everything, uh, in our entire program. And it is
kind of interesting because their plan obviously at a very
high level, and they're planning teams that are a very
high level, but they're that much better. And it makes

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you wonder about, you know, who's their next quarterback is
going to be and if and if he can keep
it going, you know, and get like like a thirty
game Win Street kind of thing going, which would be unbelievable.
So it is, uh, I think bitter sweet because a
lot of people liked at Ogeron a great deal in
l A. Do you think that this role that he's

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got l S you on could have been USC? Oh?
Without question. I mean, but USC could have hired a
lot of different people that weren't the people they hired.
You know, they could have given a lot of different
men the keys to the football program and been in
a better position than they are right now. You know,

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Ed was just the one that was was right in
front of their face. You know, they had him as
an interim head coach and he was sitting right there
and you didn't have to pay him a whole bunch
of money, and you could see what he could do
with the program at a time where they were still
kind of reeling from sanctions. You knew Ed was going
to recruit and maybe be fine up front. You know.

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The knock on Ed, as you know from your sec stuff,
isn't he had a hard time finding somebody on offense
to call the plays and and kind of run the
offense for him. And that was the problem at Old Miss.
But uh, they've and that was always the issue with
Les Miles right at l s U, uh to a

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certain degree, but Ed has found a way around that
and L s U is the premier program right now
in college football, it's pretty amazing. How good is Joe Burrow? Like, so,
I I made the argument to start, I don't know.
I made the argument that he's got this year is
the single greatest year for a quarterback ever standing alone

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one year, right, I mean, not a career, not a
you know, entire time. I'm not saying he's Tebow. I'm
not saying that he's you know, somebody who Matt Weiner,
who had multiple years where he was dominant, the team
won high levels, all those things, right, But for a
single year standing alone, I don't know that we've ever seen.
And the the only other guy that I could compare

(56:52):
him to is Cam Newton, because Cam Newton kind of
came out of nowhere went fourteen and oh they won
a championship with him. And now Joe Burrow fifteen and
oh sixty total touchdowns that he's responsible for, either passing
or running total yards of offense. They put up four
sixty three petros against the defense that supposedly was the

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best in the entirety of college football. I mean, I
don't know what more he could do. I think this
is the best year I've ever seen, single year for
a quarterback. You can argue that no doubt, you know.
And you talk about Liner, now, I saw that stuff
up front, and you know, him and Burrow had one
thing in common. You know, they were really really well coached,

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and they had a lot of weapons, and they could
distribute the ball and get it out really fast. It's
a different time, uh, in football, and they're much more
spread out than USC was back in those days. And
and Ed was on the radio show talking about, you know,
his beliefs about the spread and how you can still

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remain physical and and LSU has proven that in Ohio
State and Oklahoma. You know, they're all spread teams and
then they're all very physical. They've they've all proven that
over the years, which is a different thing. Uh. Then
the air raid. Uh what how good is he? I
could not believe how good his feet were, you know,

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just watching him in the last couple of games, and
just the kind of four wheel drive nature of his
feet in the pocket while he looks downfield, you know,
forward backward, and and he can talk and go and
and be very physical and he's obviously really willful. They
say that his arm is not the same arm as

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you know, a super talented guy. But I know some
of those longer throws were to the short side. But
I mean the ball looks like it comes out pretty
pretty well to me. You know, Tom Brady and Liner,
you know, which are a great college quarterback and one
of the great pro quarterbacks ever. Neither of those guys
were known for their arms strength, you know, and then

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neither was Joe Montana. Uh But to me, I mean,
you could put this up there with and the stats
are different than they used to be, and the game
has changed, you know. I mean the game was different
when Leoner played. It was different when when I played,
uh you know, maybe five six years before that, and
it's really different, you know, fifteen years later. Uh So

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the stats are always kind of a little jello like,
you know, to sit there and say it's the best ever.
But watching the kid and looking at the way he
kind of willed himself through the season and all the
teams that they beat, Um, we're obviously prisoners at the moment,
but it's you can't argue with with with what they've accomplished.

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You know, undefeated, Hasman Trophy, all the games they wont
beat in Texas, you know, going to storied places like
Tuscaloosa and winning football games. I mean you gotta crown him. Yeah,
you look at the teams that he beat Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Oklahoma,
and Clemson. Out of those teams, a lot of them

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they did. Yes, that's six teams that I think it's
fair to say are either top ten or top twelve. Right,
if you really want to quibble, Oh, Auburn lost in Minnesota,
all right, there the thirteenth best team instead of top ten. Right, Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, Florida, Oklahoma,
and Clemson arguably six of the ten best teams in
the country. And like you said, they tended to beat

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a lot of those teams pretty soundly. And then that
doesn't even count Texas, who they obviously went on the
road before Texas had really fallen off. I mean, Texas
put a lot into that game, and they went into
Austin at night, which is not a very common occurrence,
right to have a top ten Texas team, you're playing
at night on the road. And they hung forty plus

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on them too. So I mean you look at the
fifteen wins, it's not like they tiptoed up. I mean,
Clemson could argue, Okay, Clemson's got a great win over
Ohio State, what was their second best win all year Virginia,
Texas A and M Right, I mean, you could make
an order. No, Clemson's time to shine was going to
be the College Football playoffs, you know, if they could

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win it. But L. S U's body of work is
as impressive as anything we've seen, and it was a
great year of college football. I mean, there are going
to be people that will argue that it would have
been a better game if Ohio State had made it.
But you know, I don't see how you can do
that without sounding super flimsy. I think it's pretty clear
who the best team in college football was this year.

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I don't really feel like Ohio State would have been
able to match up with Joe Burrow either. Now, Ohio
State fans might be out there arguing differently, but L.
S U handled Clemson a lot better than even Ohio
State did. If Ohio State had won the game, right,
you could argue that Ohio State might have been a
little bit better, but L s you who could have

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won this game pretty easily by twenty four points. Ohio
State was never really in a position in the second
half to ever be able to win by that. So
I think it might have been closer. It might have
been a ten point game instead. And who knows, you know,
like crazy things could happen LS. You didn't turn the
ball over. Maybe they have two or three tip all
interceptions that can change the outcome. But I don't think

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anybody who watched this game could have watched it and said, oh,
Clemson is just about as good as L s U.
I think L s U is the unquestioned national champion,
and I'm not sure there's a close second team. But
can you imagine if Joe Burrow put a fifty burger
on Ohio State that had him on their roster, and
that wouldn't be just the middle finger of ed O

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Geron towards Pat Hayden and USC, but a huge middle
finger from Joe Burrow toward Ohio State. Yeah, I think
you can argue he would have been even more motivated
and dialed in to prove Ohio. He would have said
it publicly, but it would have been about much of
a perfect star arm, you know, of reigning at US.

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You know, it's just probably best that it happened this way.
It is best I appreciate, by the way, you tweeting
me last night, don't go to the Crystal because the
last time they played a national title game down here
between if I remember correctly, well, the last time they
played l S you did a national title game. They
lost to Alabama to finish the two thousand eleven season,
and Badger I was there. That's what I was trying

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to tell you. The honey Badger got beat. That Less
Smiles team got beat and gosh, what was the Alabama
running back that ran all over that night? It wasn't Henry.
It was the one between Ingram and Henry. Anyway, I
think I was at t J Elton. I can't remember,

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I believe so. Anyway, I was in the omni uh
kind of between the quarter and the Superdome, and we
were My wife was pregnant. She was on the trip
with me. I was working for Fox Sports dot Com.
And there were so many people in the streets. Yeah,
like no one. We could not sleep. We were on

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the second floor. They were grown man like fifty year
old men, you know, and nice clothes, feel so drunk
that they could not stand without leaning on each other.
I mean, just get out of the way. Of the
street sweeper at six in the morning, Clay, because there's
gonna be a lot of corpses, a lot of Cajun

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corpses rolling along the gutter. I tell you this, Like,
my wife was also with me at that game, and
we also had like our oldest son at the time
was whatever the math is, like three or four years
old maybe uh and uh, and I feel like he
was down here for some reason. And we left the
youngest son with my parents. And I told her because yeah,

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we we went and like did a you know tour
of like a swamp, you know, like and he held
an alligator and like all this cool stuff and uh.
And I told her that night, I said, hey, don't leave,
just order food in the room service. I was like,
it's like it's like, you know, Arma getting out there
in the streets of New Orleans right now. It's like,
I don't even think it's safe for a woman with

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a young kid to be out there. It's that crazy.
I was like, just order some some room service. You
can look outside the window and look at the chaos.
I'll be back late night after this game. But in
the meantime, you guys just chill and have a good time.
We literally I literally told my pregnant wife the same thing. Yeah,
you know, because it was a Monday, I had to
do the radio show, uh and then run over to

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do the to do some postgame stuff, and uh, I
told her not to leave the house and then let
next thing, you know, that guy put his ball sack
on that other guy's faith at the crystal, that's right,
and he went to jail for it. Yeah, it's sexual assault.
He is this. Uh but back then, and I've been
to New I mean I was at the Marty Gras

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right after the Saints won the Super Bowl, uh, and
been to a couple other Marty Grass and things like that.
So I've seen New Orleans when it's really going. And everybody,
to a man said that that L s U Alabama
was the craziest they've ever seen the city. And I
can imagine that last night dwarfed that with L s

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U winning it all Because New Orleans is not at
two Lane Town. New Orleans is a L. S UT
and people don't realize that. Oh yeah, for sure, Hey
appreciate it. As always, We will talk to you next week.
Thanks for hanging outs. Man. Petros is a M five
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