August 3, 2020 • 36 mins
Clay Travis is joined by his Outkick partner Jason Whitlock and they dive into the state of the NBA bubble in Orlando, which Jason compares to China. They discuss the ratings of various leagues coming back from months of absence, and why the NBA’s ratings weren’t as good as the others. The data doesn’t support the NBA players statements, and violence and shootings are up in a major way in many huge cities.
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to Fox Sports Radio. I'm very happy that I brought
you in as a partner, um because obviously we are
killing it right now at OutKick, and I encourage all
of you to go read every single day at OutKick.
We're talking with Jason Whitlock here final hour Monday edition
of the program UH in particular, and that you've been
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doing this for years because you have ideas UH and
or metaphors that I hear and I'm like, well, damn,
that's a right. So we finished off hour two with
you saying basically, the NBA bubble is a China UH
situation brought to the United States where the media that's
inside the bubble, the NBA media that is a sensibly
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free to ask and say anything that they believe, has
not yet been willing to bring up the China issue
with any of the players yet they or coaches or executives.
Yet they are at all times grilling the players, executives
and uh and and referees and everything else about their
stances on political related issues. And I shouldn't say grilling,
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they're basically tossing up softballs at time after time after
time as long as you agree with them. One of
the things that scares me, Jason Whitlock, is the idea
that we have created a sports media which is not
advancing the cause of the First Amendment anymore. It is
policing opinions and determining whether you are on quote unquote
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the right side of virtually every issue. Initially, the goal
of journalists is to report the news, not make it,
and certainly not police it has social media created a
cottage industry of people now that work in our industry
and basically go around checking to see and monitoring aggressively
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whether people have the quote unquote right opinion. And how
much has that changed from when you started in the industry.
It's been an incredible change. Uh, since I started industry. Look,
my objectivity and my hey, I don't know where with
lot's gonna come down on a particular issue, gave me
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great value for the first twenty five years of my career.
It's now hamstrong in terms of because what is promoted,
what is rewarded, is someone who's very reliable. They're going
to stop comes at whatever group think is popular on Twitter.
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That journalist is going to be on the right side
of that issue and keep my media organization out of
that controversy and just agree with social media what it
has done. There's just been a slow process of getting
Americans used to Communists values. And that's why I just
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keep putting this NBA bubble situation is what America is
gonna look like if we keep going down this path.
The people that are out of the streets that want
to overthrow everything about the United States, that's tear down
all our founding files, the Constitution and b s, everything's
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b s of America. And in order to have equality,
we have to embrace these values. And those values are
gonna look like the NBA bubble where the media is
on the side side of the establishment and the elites,
and the media is running around right now doing the
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bidding of Adam Silver, Lebron James and the power structure
of the NBA afraid and and justify it. Look if
if I were in that bubble and my job depended
upon staying on the right side of those athletes, I
might be fearful of asking them any questions to make
them uncomfortable. I might be most aggressive with the handful
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of people who aren't doing with the rest of the
NBA is doing, and that's bowing down the Black Lives Matter.
And so that's why Jonathan isaing my uh Myers Leonard,
they're gonna get the most aggressive questions because they've broken
rank from everybody that's being obedient to Black Lives Matter
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and what the corporate structure is demanding, and they're trying
to whip those eyes in the line. You guys are
the oddballs. You guys are the people that you know
aren't supporting what's right. Blah blah blah. But it's all
in service to the power structure and the voiceless. And
again the voiceless right down as it relates to what's
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going on with all this kneeling during the national Anthem
and Black Lives Matter, the voiceless are actually the people
that disagree with this movement. No one withinside inside that
media bubble that the NBA has going on wants to
speak for those of us that are like, hey man,
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we think this is crazy. We don't think this is
a promotion of equality, unity or values that are healthy
for America. There's no journalists loose in that bubble who
can go out and ask those questions and be a
voice for the voiceless. In order to be in that
bubble and to be in it comfortably, you have to
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represent the views of corporate America, Adam Silver, Lebron James,
and the power structure this and we're taking no, this,
this is not the voice of This isn't an anti
establishment movement. It's a pro establishment movement. It is corporate
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approved messaging. It's pro establishment. It's not revolutionary at all.
And I just I can't believe they're getting away with it,
but they are. We've been dumbed down to the point
that that they're getting away with this and people can't
see what's standing them clear in the face. The media
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is being shut down. It is state sponsored media. It's
straight propaganda. It represents the power and the elite, not
the people. Yeah, and I talked about this in our
one Jason, when I saw media members wanting to grill
an NBA official for deciding to stand for the national anthem.
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I don't know that we and and again that you
said it well too, but I just want to kind
of crystallize it for everybody else out there. The media
is insisting upon conformity when it comes to political beliefs.
And I don't know that I have ever seen anything
like this before where they are effectively policing the opinions
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of other people if they happen to be different. And
it used to be and you can speak to this,
and and certainly it's what I studied when I was
in law school. The media was about protecting the First
Amendment and that eccentric out there who might have a
wild idea, the Larry Flints of the world. Right, go
watch the people versus Larry Flint. If you're listening to
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me right now, and you're like, man, I wonder like
Woody Harrelson played a pornographer who was furthering the First
Amendment by ridiculing people in positions of authority. Now the
media has shifted and they protect the powerful as long
as they have to quote unquote right opinion. It's it's
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it's wild to see and think about, and people sometimes
get riled up about me and they're like, no, no,
you've changed. I'm like, no, no, no, no, I'm the
guy who would have shown up and been defending Larry Flint,
the pornographer, for ridiculing I think it was Jerry Folwell
back in the day, dubbed look Up. I can't remember.
You may remember Jason Whitlock about you know, like a
fake ad, satire, hyperbole, all of those things comedians like.
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That's what I've always believed in, and now that's becoming
a really rare voice. And that's why I think this
show is exploding. I think, frankly, it's why OutKick is exploding.
We are the First Amendment arm of the First Amendment,
but outside of us, it almost doesn't exist. In sports
media now it doesn't And and Clay, I'm gonna defend
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and they're not gonna like my defense of them, but
I'm I'm gonna defend some of the sports media, a
large segment of the sports media. In order to take risks,
there's a couple of key ingredients. You have to have
an enormous amount of talent, and a lot of these
guys don't have an enormous amount of talent. And then
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for The advantageous position I've had for a long time
in the media is but I don't have a wife
and kids, and so I can take more risks. I'm
also pretty talented, and so I can take more risk
because I've always been able to find a way laying
another job, create another situation where I can take care
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of myself make money. A lot of these guys family
not that talented. They just want to survive. They just
want to get along to get along, and so if
all the wind is blowing one direction, they're just gonna
go with that wind because they're like, man, I got
a kid, I'm trying to put through college. The media
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business seems to be contracting and there's less job and
so they're just going along with the flow. This is
why I think what we're doing it our kick is
so important, is because if we have success, it creates
more room for everybody else to be more honest and
to take more risks. And again, if we have success,
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we're going to create more jobs for other people. There
are people out there that agree with us, people out
there in the media that agree with us. There are people,
some of some of my loudest critics in the media
actually agree with me, But they just want to hold
onto their jobs and beating up me and you as
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a way to stay in the good graces of the
power structure and social media, and so they just do it.
But I just happened a thing. And maybe I'm naive
for thinking display, but I'm telling I think the overwhelming
majority of the sports media is actually rooting for us.
That they're putting on a display over blue check Twitter
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to try to protect themselves, but in reality, they want
us to succeed. They want some normalcy, they want some freedom,
to be able to just do what journalists are trained
to do, speak of truth, protect America. But but I
think many of them are just out of fear and
just out of waving a white flag. And I just
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want to get to the finish line a lot. So
I'm gonna go and be obedient and go with the
way the wind seems to be blowing right now. God speed,
God blessed Clay Jason out Kick. Maybe they'll throw us
a life raft, but for today, I just gotta make
it to the paycheck. It's interesting. And by the way,
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we're talking to Jason Whitlock. If you're an OutKick fan,
go sign up for the OutKick v I P today
because I think one reason we're kicking ass and taking
names is because there's a huge majority of American sports
fans who agree with us. You laid out the three
risks or two risk factors. Uh, enormous amount of talent
you have that uh no wife and kids. Uh you
so far have avoided that at least that you know of. UM.
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And the other factor that I would put out there
is owning your own business matters a great deal because
I get asked this question a lot, And first of all,
my wife would say, I'm glad he's saying he doesn't
have a wife and kids, because my wife every now
and then we'll be like she'll walk, you know, like
when I said, uh, when if I wrote this in
the book, but I think you know this to whitlock,
but some people won't. When I said that I believed
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only two things, the First Amendment and boobs on CNN,
and that uh, that story went uh and turned into
the biggest story of the day anywhere really in media.
When I was alive on CNN, my one of my
wife's first things that she texted me was who I
need to put the house on the market, and so
my wife, to her credit, can handle a lot of
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controversy associated with me, And I don't think she would
have ended up with me if she were the shrinking
violet type. But I do think there are a lot
of guys out there and women in sports that do
exactly what you said. Because of what you said, they
got a kid to put through college, and they fill
the financial pressure more now than ever. And I've just
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never seen like I legitimately sit back and I just
think to myself, my goodness, Like if we didn't exist,
there would not be a single person in sports media
making this argument. It really is like the sports media
is like controlled by a communist government. Now there's one
opinion that you're allowed to have, and if you don't
have it, they try and wipe you out. And we've
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seen it, we knew this. People will come and try
to wipe us out every time. I think it actually
just helps us because the people who are fans like
when we get attacked and we throw punches back. Is
no question about it. You know, we talked either last
week or the week before about the Daily Beast article
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and the Robert Silverman coming after you, coming after Dr
child coming after me, trying to silence us and get
us on board. And again, just think if you're the
average I was thinking about this before I got to
reform with you, the average sportswriter, wife, kids and mom, dad,
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niece's nephews. You have to when you think about the
It's like, my mom's on Facebook and she occasionally sees
some of the blowback that I take it bothers us.
She's not a journalist, she's you know, yeah, right, my
mom is. By the way, my mom is the same way.
I had to tell her to get out of the
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comments early in my career because she was, you know,
when they were Facebook comments allowed to be made. She
was fighting with people like my son's a good husband,
and he's a good he's a good dad ad like
everybody's mom would, right, And people just come after you
with a two by four online like nothing you've ever seen.
And I'm used to it. I'm a public figure, but
nobody's mom wants to read bad things about their son
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or daughter online, right, It doesn't matter who they are.
And so these are complications of being transparent and honest
and objective and not going with the flow. It complicates
your life for me throughout my career. For the for
the last twenty years, I've been really well paid. It's
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been worth it part of my calculus of moving to
out kick and away from traditional life in order for
me to continue to be really well paid or better
paid and to me and to have this complications that
I have of like, oh, man, they're gonna rig up
all these social media apps that where if you Google me,
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you're gonna see a lot of the tacks on me.
If your Facebook, there's gonna be a lot of attacks.
In order for me to make it worth my while,
I had to step out and be a part of
having my own platform so that the payoff continues to
rise to where it's like it's worth these complications are
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worth it. But if I'm somewhere making a hundred and
twenty tho dollars a year, I don't know. If I'm
sitting there going my mom reading this garbage, my auntie
reading this garbage, my cousin's nephews and and you know
them having to defend me, uh to people, is it
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really worth it for eighty thousand a year, ninety thousand
a year. I see why people are like, man, I
just I just can't deal with that. That's just too
much complications. I can't even enjoy my career and and
what money I do earn from my career, because there's
a whole system set up to make your life miserable
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if you don't, if you're not obedient to whatever the
common group think is over social media. This is outkicked
the coverage with Clay Travis bring in Jason Whitlock. So
I don't know if you've paid a lot of attention
to the ratings related business, Jason, but I did, and
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I do. When NASCAR came back, massive increase in audience
for NASCAR. Same thing was true when the p g
A did their event with Tiger Woods, Phil Nicholson, Peyton Manning,
Tom Brady, huge crowd for the first real golf match back. Uh.
Then we also had the UFC, which killed it. You know,
all of the UFC events have been huge. Major League
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Baseball monstrous ratings on their return. Okay, all of those
sports came back, and the fans came back in earnest.
Didn't happen in the NBA A Thursday night debut NBA,
fewer people watched Clippers Lakers great game. You and I
both watched it. Lebron makes a winning basket, then guards
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against UH, against Paul George and also against Kawhi Leonard
on the final possession. Had two games come down to
the wire, they trotted out Zion as well, who is
a big draw. Fewer people watched Lakers Clippers after months
without the n B A then watched Lakers Clippers back
in October when it was the middle of football season,
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when there was a lot of other sporting events going on.
Then in the NBA over the weekend was only up
two percent on ESPN and other channels out there, meaning
that unlike NASCAR, unlike the UFC, unlike Major League Baseball,
unlike golf, which all had massive audiences, the numbers did
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not surge for the NBA. I think, ain't that has
to do with the NBA being more political than any
other league. Names in the back of the jerseys UH,
the name that black lives matter on the basketball court,
and the kneeling for the n anthem and the anthem,
all three of those things almost impossible to miss if
you are a casual sports fan tuning in. Do you
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buy into that being the reason that, unlike every other league,
the NBA did not surge. Jason Whitlock. I'm sure that
played a role. I think that the NBA that I've
watched is just so saturated with the political anger. And
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it's not just what's on the court. It's not just
what's on the back of the jersey. It's not just
the national anthem. It's the commercials and it's the preaching commercials,
and it's look where when you sit down to watch sports,
I'm mostly you want to watch it with something close
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to a smile on your face. It's supposed to be enjoyable.
You have a beer, you have a cocktail, you're cracking
jokes with your friends. You're not thinking about someone getting
killed by the police. You're not thinking about riots and
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looting and vandalism and racism and this person hates that
person because of this or that. You're that's the thing.
And I'm telling I have enjoyed the basketball and I've watched,
but I'm not watching it with a smile on my face.
And I'm just I just think there's so much going
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on in this country. People are so financially strapped, people
are so concerned about their futures, husbands and five. On
top of each other more than they are. There's so
much tension in people's homes. I don't know if I
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want sports adding more attention. And I just think at
some point, the athletes, the average American is going to
have to come to groups like well, damn, who wants
us at each other's throats like this? Twenty four seven?
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Who wants us this agitated each other? Is it really
as simple as what they tell you on some of
the major cable networks, Is this is Donald Trump? He
just he's inspired all this hate. That's a simplistic answer.
I don't think it's an accurate one. I think it's
two people that want to see America fall. America's global
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and enemies and the people working with them inside America
want us in a constant state of agitation and tension
and point and finger pointing. And it's I hate white people,
I hate black people, it's you know, I hate illegal immigrant.
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I just I just hate hate, hate, hate, hate, heat hate.
And at some point, as Americas, I just think we
gotta ask ourselves is this healthy? Is this good? Are
we not being played against each other by people who
don't care about us? You know? The answers to me
just seeing crystal clear China, uh, Russia. They want America
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to fall our global competition, and they're using sports is
just another tool to divide us and keep it to
each other at our throats. And so that's just a
long way of saying that there's been no league more
political than the NBA, and no league I think that
more operates at the behest of China than the n
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b A and so I just think the NBA is
more out of step with the average American, the average
sports fan, and so no, they're not going to get
the bounce that other leagues have gotten from people being
sitting at home with nothing to do. They're not getting
the bounce, and it, you know, it could can just
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continue to get worse as long as they keep down
this path. All right, here's my big issue that I
think doesn't get enough attention. Uh if you rightly believe,
if you agree with NBA player activism and everything else,
what I don't think is getting enough attention. Jason Whitlock
is I'm looking at the actual data. And this is
where people get mad at me, because whether it's the
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coronavirus or anything else, I try to look at the
facts and use what the facts are to construct an
argument about what's going on. Okay, here are the facts. Portlands,
l A, Atlanta, New York City, Chicago, all of them
are having rates of violence the likes of which we
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have never seen in the history of those cities, modern
history of those cities. A lot of our listeners it's
never even happened, right Like, I was reading a story
yesterday and I was like, man, this is crazy that
it's not a bigger story. Portland's. They have been feuding
in Portland for even and protesting and everything else. Majority
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white city. By the way, shootings in Portland's are at
a thirty year high. There are a lot of young
people listening to me right now who don't even remember,
weren't even born the last time there were this much shootings,
same thing going on in New York City, Atlanta, all
over our country with much of the onus being on Hey,
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the police are awful. The police are awful human beings.
The death rate is skyrocketing for murders and shootings, violent
crime as skyrockety Minneapolis as well. Are we making the
wrong decisions as a society when we have demonized police,
which were the people who were keeping that from happening,
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and we're using what is rightfully something that makes people
angry with what happened to George Floyd, that is actually
creating far more shootings and death than would be if
we were responding in a more responsible fashion. In other words,
if the NBA was taking a knee and they were saying, hey,
we understand some police are bad, but we're big supporters
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of the police as well. I just I look at this,
Jason Witlock, and it just gets me fired up because
we are destroying something policing in this country which protects
far more lives, and as a result, we're leading to
more deaths, and it's like nobody's willing to actually look
at the data and talk about it. I want to
go back to my original point is that the people
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that want to destabilize this country, you know, the way
you destabilize is make people not trust authority, and authority
in this country is under incredible scrutiny and under incredible hostility,
and the media has promoted fear in every way possible,
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not the coronavirus, fear of the police. And any time
you're making decisions out of fear, you tend to make irrational,
bad decisions. Fear is the enemy of good. It's it's
you know, for those of us that lean into religious faith,
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a lot of it has to do with conquering your
fear and fear it's it creates stress, it creates poor health.
And they have studies that tell you face based people
live long or they're healthier. And you know, I'm not
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a prime example of that because I'm overweight. But if
you just look at people that lean into their faith,
they're more relaxed, they're not controlled by fear, they make
better decisions. We've unleased the level of fear in America
that's unhealthy and has erode in our decision making. Sunday, Clay,
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I'm in Kansas City. I go on a long walk
with a friend of mine. We go through an area
in Kansas City called brook Side, and we looked. I
looked to my left and I was like, oh, there's
a Black Lives Matter protest. So I walked down there
because I just want to see what it was about
and see what they were talking about and what the
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people and again, it was a promotion of irrational fear,
the people speaking and all that, and I'm just like,
we're just whipping people into a frenzy of fear and
there making bad decisions, and we're talking about people carrying
to defund the police. And I'm just thinking, and again,
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the overwhelming majority of this crowd, let's say they were
I'm gonna say a hundred hundred people. There were probably
thirty black people there. And I'm looking at these white
people and some of them are dragging five and six
year old kids with signs to this and it's a
defunded police and I'm just thinking, like, you do know
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that the black people in these four communities, these high
crime communities, this defunding the police is gonna lead to
more of them being killed and and victims of violent crime.
And I just wanted, like, do you care or is
this just your feel good moment? You can say I
took my kids to a Black Lives Matter uh rally,
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I stix racism. Look, how good is this? Just clearing
your conscience while other people suffered the consequences of the
fear and the irrational decision making that you've created. It's
a very selfish behavior that's illogical and hurting a lot
of people. Closing out the show next to Jason Whitlock
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and myself. This is the Monday edition of OutKick probably
the smartest radio you're gonna hear anywhere in the country.
This is Outkicked the Coverage with Clay Travis. Welcome back.
In final segment, Outkicked the Coverage. Appreciate all of you
hanging out with us. It's winlock Mondays at least until
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hopefully the NFL gets back, and then we'll have to
pick a different day of the week for him to
come and hang out. Are you optimistic, Jason Whitlock as
we get closer and closer to NFL official workouts going on,
and we've got all the other different sports leagues back,
do you think, based on what you're seeing right now,
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that we are going to have what I believe is
going to be the busiest August, September, and October maybe
in the history of a media American sports calendar. Are
you as optimistic as I am as we finish off
the Monday edition of the show at least going forward
in terms of having sports back, Yes, and no, I'm
the one thing we didn't get to that you know,
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we probably should have and maybe we can't here shortly
as this brief period, but the pack twelve situation is
pretty enormous. You have the athletes threatening not to participate
and play, saying that they they realize that, you know,
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unless we're getting paid, and we may have to break
off from the n C double A. The pack twelve
situation is disconcerting to me. And I'm I'm glad I'm
moving TONEC Country, I guess, but I just wondered if
that's gonna read from there and hurt college football. Uh.
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I guess. I just kind of feel like the NFL
will play because I think most of the athletes realized, look,
I got a very short window to make a lot
of money, and can I really walk away from a
year of Ernie? And so I feel pretty decent about
the NFL, But college football I'm really concerned about. Yeah,
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it is. UH. I talked a lot about this at
the start of our two, and it's such a fascinating,
larger scale question that needs to be examined, that has
all these different conflicting parts. And I would encourage people
who are listening to us right now to go download
the podcast UH and you can go listen to the
top of our two where I talk about all these
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different complicated factors and to me, it kind of lives
with the larger issue that's at play, which is almost
everything out there that is complex in this country is
a multi factorial complexity, by which I mean, hey, you
can't just change X, and why is going to be
the result? Right? And much of social media lives as
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if that is the world we live in. Right, Oh,
we're gonna change X, and why is going to be
the result? And my point is no, no, no, no,
there's a lot of factors in here. You're gonna get Z,
and you might get a B and C all rolled
in together too. And this has been my big issue
with the coronavirus, and now it's my big issue with
protesting in general. People protest as if hey, we're gonna
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fix this and there's not gonna be any other challenge. Well,
let me give you an example. If you demonize the police,
then the police are not able to do their jobs,
and the murder rate goes up. Well, if you tell
people to go stay in their house to try to
avoid the coronavirus, well then depression goes up, rates of
child abuse go up, drug abuse goes up. All of
these are multi factorial issues, and it seems to me
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that social media derives a lot of its power by
demanding single factor responses is which are not intelligent or
sophisticated enough to fit modern day social complexities. And I
think athletics is part of the problem right now as
a part of the solution, because there's very few people
who acknowledge that does that make sense? And so I
think also the Pact twelve situation, you're gonna have a
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lot of people line up and say, oh, X is
the answer, and then we'll get why and it's like no, no, no.
There are a lot of other factors at play here
that I tried to dive into at the start of
our two and maybe we need to have a big
discussion about that next week when you come on. But
I think it's emblematic of where we are as a
nation right now that nobody has the has the the
temperament or the time to actually consider complex issues. They don't.
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It's one of the things I saw this weekend with
the NHL was a big end racism sign over their
national anthem ceremony, and one of the things, I mean,
it's like we've simplified this thing, like we're going to
end racism. I first of all, can we agree on
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do we have any consensus on what racism is? Because
it seems to be whatever somebody wants it to be first.
I mean, just as the biggest examples like there's just
no proof Derek Chausen killed George Floyd out of racism,
but we call it racism. And so it's like, is
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are we going to end any interaction between black and
white people if they have a bad interaction? Is the
is it always going to be all that had to
be racist? Well if that's the case, when racism will
never end because all it takes is someone to label
it that. And so you're right. I think my issue
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with the Pact twelve and what you're suggesting is like
no one's really offering solutions. They're just offering complaints as
opposed to construction, which is what I've spent a lot
of time on. It's easy to destroy something, it's very
hard to build something. Yeah, and and and that's why
this whole thing of taking the dump on all the
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founding fathers and not recognize that will hold on. Man,
they were flawed, but damn they built something that's pretty good,
that's world class, that has corrected a lot of problems
that it took other countries longer to overcome than how
quickly we moved on from them in the grand scheme
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of things. And so do we really want to throw
all this out and and turn it over to who
the crazy purple hood haired people in Portland's they got
something better they're gonna put together than what George Washington
and Thomas Jefferthon put together. I want to see it. Yeah,
I don't think is coming up with the declaration of
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independence in Seattle either. It's a great it's a great
it's a great point. Uh. And you need to be
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We're talking with Jason Whitlock here final hour Monday edition
of the program UH in particular, and that you've been
(00:43):
doing this for years because you have ideas UH and
or metaphors that I hear and I'm like, well, damn,
that's a right. So we finished off hour two with
you saying basically, the NBA bubble is a China UH
situation brought to the United States where the media that's
inside the bubble, the NBA media that is a sensibly
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free to ask and say anything that they believe, has
not yet been willing to bring up the China issue
with any of the players yet they or coaches or executives.
Yet they are at all times grilling the players, executives
and uh and and referees and everything else about their
stances on political related issues. And I shouldn't say grilling,
(01:29):
they're basically tossing up softballs at time after time after
time as long as you agree with them. One of
the things that scares me, Jason Whitlock, is the idea
that we have created a sports media which is not
advancing the cause of the First Amendment anymore. It is
policing opinions and determining whether you are on quote unquote
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the right side of virtually every issue. Initially, the goal
of journalists is to report the news, not make it,
and certainly not police it has social media created a
cottage industry of people now that work in our industry
and basically go around checking to see and monitoring aggressively
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whether people have the quote unquote right opinion. And how
much has that changed from when you started in the industry.
It's been an incredible change. Uh, since I started industry. Look,
my objectivity and my hey, I don't know where with
lot's gonna come down on a particular issue, gave me
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great value for the first twenty five years of my career.
It's now hamstrong in terms of because what is promoted,
what is rewarded, is someone who's very reliable. They're going
to stop comes at whatever group think is popular on Twitter.
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That journalist is going to be on the right side
of that issue and keep my media organization out of
that controversy and just agree with social media what it
has done. There's just been a slow process of getting
Americans used to Communists values. And that's why I just
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keep putting this NBA bubble situation is what America is
gonna look like if we keep going down this path.
The people that are out of the streets that want
to overthrow everything about the United States, that's tear down
all our founding files, the Constitution and b s, everything's
(03:44):
b s of America. And in order to have equality,
we have to embrace these values. And those values are
gonna look like the NBA bubble where the media is
on the side side of the establishment and the elites,
and the media is running around right now doing the
(04:07):
bidding of Adam Silver, Lebron James and the power structure
of the NBA afraid and and justify it. Look if
if I were in that bubble and my job depended
upon staying on the right side of those athletes, I
might be fearful of asking them any questions to make
them uncomfortable. I might be most aggressive with the handful
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of people who aren't doing with the rest of the
NBA is doing, and that's bowing down the Black Lives Matter.
And so that's why Jonathan isaing my uh Myers Leonard,
they're gonna get the most aggressive questions because they've broken
rank from everybody that's being obedient to Black Lives Matter
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and what the corporate structure is demanding, and they're trying
to whip those eyes in the line. You guys are
the oddballs. You guys are the people that you know
aren't supporting what's right. Blah blah blah. But it's all
in service to the power structure and the voiceless. And
again the voiceless right down as it relates to what's
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going on with all this kneeling during the national Anthem
and Black Lives Matter, the voiceless are actually the people
that disagree with this movement. No one withinside inside that
media bubble that the NBA has going on wants to
speak for those of us that are like, hey man,
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we think this is crazy. We don't think this is
a promotion of equality, unity or values that are healthy
for America. There's no journalists loose in that bubble who
can go out and ask those questions and be a
voice for the voiceless. In order to be in that
bubble and to be in it comfortably, you have to
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represent the views of corporate America, Adam Silver, Lebron James,
and the power structure this and we're taking no, this,
this is not the voice of This isn't an anti
establishment movement. It's a pro establishment movement. It is corporate
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approved messaging. It's pro establishment. It's not revolutionary at all.
And I just I can't believe they're getting away with it,
but they are. We've been dumbed down to the point
that that they're getting away with this and people can't
see what's standing them clear in the face. The media
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is being shut down. It is state sponsored media. It's
straight propaganda. It represents the power and the elite, not
the people. Yeah, and I talked about this in our
one Jason, when I saw media members wanting to grill
an NBA official for deciding to stand for the national anthem.
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I don't know that we and and again that you
said it well too, but I just want to kind
of crystallize it for everybody else out there. The media
is insisting upon conformity when it comes to political beliefs.
And I don't know that I have ever seen anything
like this before where they are effectively policing the opinions
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of other people if they happen to be different. And
it used to be and you can speak to this,
and and certainly it's what I studied when I was
in law school. The media was about protecting the First
Amendment and that eccentric out there who might have a
wild idea, the Larry Flints of the world. Right, go
watch the people versus Larry Flint. If you're listening to
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me right now, and you're like, man, I wonder like
Woody Harrelson played a pornographer who was furthering the First
Amendment by ridiculing people in positions of authority. Now the
media has shifted and they protect the powerful as long
as they have to quote unquote right opinion. It's it's
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it's wild to see and think about, and people sometimes
get riled up about me and they're like, no, no,
you've changed. I'm like, no, no, no, no, I'm the
guy who would have shown up and been defending Larry Flint,
the pornographer, for ridiculing I think it was Jerry Folwell
back in the day, dubbed look Up. I can't remember.
You may remember Jason Whitlock about you know, like a
fake ad, satire, hyperbole, all of those things comedians like.
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That's what I've always believed in, and now that's becoming
a really rare voice. And that's why I think this
show is exploding. I think, frankly, it's why OutKick is exploding.
We are the First Amendment arm of the First Amendment,
but outside of us, it almost doesn't exist. In sports
media now it doesn't And and Clay, I'm gonna defend
(09:05):
and they're not gonna like my defense of them, but
I'm I'm gonna defend some of the sports media, a
large segment of the sports media. In order to take risks,
there's a couple of key ingredients. You have to have
an enormous amount of talent, and a lot of these
guys don't have an enormous amount of talent. And then
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for The advantageous position I've had for a long time
in the media is but I don't have a wife
and kids, and so I can take more risks. I'm
also pretty talented, and so I can take more risk
because I've always been able to find a way laying
another job, create another situation where I can take care
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of myself make money. A lot of these guys family
not that talented. They just want to survive. They just
want to get along to get along, and so if
all the wind is blowing one direction, they're just gonna
go with that wind because they're like, man, I got
a kid, I'm trying to put through college. The media
(10:13):
business seems to be contracting and there's less job and
so they're just going along with the flow. This is
why I think what we're doing it our kick is
so important, is because if we have success, it creates
more room for everybody else to be more honest and
to take more risks. And again, if we have success,
(10:35):
we're going to create more jobs for other people. There
are people out there that agree with us, people out
there in the media that agree with us. There are people,
some of some of my loudest critics in the media
actually agree with me, But they just want to hold
onto their jobs and beating up me and you as
(10:56):
a way to stay in the good graces of the
power structure and social media, and so they just do it.
But I just happened a thing. And maybe I'm naive
for thinking display, but I'm telling I think the overwhelming
majority of the sports media is actually rooting for us.
That they're putting on a display over blue check Twitter
(11:18):
to try to protect themselves, but in reality, they want
us to succeed. They want some normalcy, they want some freedom,
to be able to just do what journalists are trained
to do, speak of truth, protect America. But but I
think many of them are just out of fear and
just out of waving a white flag. And I just
(11:40):
want to get to the finish line a lot. So
I'm gonna go and be obedient and go with the
way the wind seems to be blowing right now. God speed,
God blessed Clay Jason out Kick. Maybe they'll throw us
a life raft, but for today, I just gotta make
it to the paycheck. It's interesting. And by the way,
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we're talking to Jason Whitlock. If you're an OutKick fan,
go sign up for the OutKick v I P today
because I think one reason we're kicking ass and taking
names is because there's a huge majority of American sports
fans who agree with us. You laid out the three
risks or two risk factors. Uh, enormous amount of talent
you have that uh no wife and kids. Uh you
so far have avoided that at least that you know of. UM.
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And the other factor that I would put out there
is owning your own business matters a great deal because
I get asked this question a lot, And first of all,
my wife would say, I'm glad he's saying he doesn't
have a wife and kids, because my wife every now
and then we'll be like she'll walk, you know, like
when I said, uh, when if I wrote this in
the book, but I think you know this to whitlock,
but some people won't. When I said that I believed
(12:45):
only two things, the First Amendment and boobs on CNN,
and that uh, that story went uh and turned into
the biggest story of the day anywhere really in media.
When I was alive on CNN, my one of my
wife's first things that she texted me was who I
need to put the house on the market, and so
my wife, to her credit, can handle a lot of
(13:05):
controversy associated with me, And I don't think she would
have ended up with me if she were the shrinking
violet type. But I do think there are a lot
of guys out there and women in sports that do
exactly what you said. Because of what you said, they
got a kid to put through college, and they fill
the financial pressure more now than ever. And I've just
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never seen like I legitimately sit back and I just
think to myself, my goodness, Like if we didn't exist,
there would not be a single person in sports media
making this argument. It really is like the sports media
is like controlled by a communist government. Now there's one
opinion that you're allowed to have, and if you don't
have it, they try and wipe you out. And we've
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seen it, we knew this. People will come and try
to wipe us out every time. I think it actually
just helps us because the people who are fans like
when we get attacked and we throw punches back. Is
no question about it. You know, we talked either last
week or the week before about the Daily Beast article
(14:08):
and the Robert Silverman coming after you, coming after Dr
child coming after me, trying to silence us and get
us on board. And again, just think if you're the
average I was thinking about this before I got to
reform with you, the average sportswriter, wife, kids and mom, dad,
(14:29):
niece's nephews. You have to when you think about the
It's like, my mom's on Facebook and she occasionally sees
some of the blowback that I take it bothers us.
She's not a journalist, she's you know, yeah, right, my
mom is. By the way, my mom is the same way.
I had to tell her to get out of the
(14:50):
comments early in my career because she was, you know,
when they were Facebook comments allowed to be made. She
was fighting with people like my son's a good husband,
and he's a good he's a good dad ad like
everybody's mom would, right, And people just come after you
with a two by four online like nothing you've ever seen.
And I'm used to it. I'm a public figure, but
nobody's mom wants to read bad things about their son
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or daughter online, right, It doesn't matter who they are.
And so these are complications of being transparent and honest
and objective and not going with the flow. It complicates
your life for me throughout my career. For the for
the last twenty years, I've been really well paid. It's
(15:35):
been worth it part of my calculus of moving to
out kick and away from traditional life in order for
me to continue to be really well paid or better
paid and to me and to have this complications that
I have of like, oh, man, they're gonna rig up
all these social media apps that where if you Google me,
(15:58):
you're gonna see a lot of the tacks on me.
If your Facebook, there's gonna be a lot of attacks.
In order for me to make it worth my while,
I had to step out and be a part of
having my own platform so that the payoff continues to
rise to where it's like it's worth these complications are
(16:19):
worth it. But if I'm somewhere making a hundred and
twenty tho dollars a year, I don't know. If I'm
sitting there going my mom reading this garbage, my auntie
reading this garbage, my cousin's nephews and and you know
them having to defend me, uh to people, is it
(16:43):
really worth it for eighty thousand a year, ninety thousand
a year. I see why people are like, man, I
just I just can't deal with that. That's just too
much complications. I can't even enjoy my career and and
what money I do earn from my career, because there's
a whole system set up to make your life miserable
(17:08):
if you don't, if you're not obedient to whatever the
common group think is over social media. This is outkicked
the coverage with Clay Travis bring in Jason Whitlock. So
I don't know if you've paid a lot of attention
to the ratings related business, Jason, but I did, and
(17:28):
I do. When NASCAR came back, massive increase in audience
for NASCAR. Same thing was true when the p g
A did their event with Tiger Woods, Phil Nicholson, Peyton Manning,
Tom Brady, huge crowd for the first real golf match back. Uh.
Then we also had the UFC, which killed it. You know,
all of the UFC events have been huge. Major League
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Baseball monstrous ratings on their return. Okay, all of those
sports came back, and the fans came back in earnest.
Didn't happen in the NBA A Thursday night debut NBA,
fewer people watched Clippers Lakers great game. You and I
both watched it. Lebron makes a winning basket, then guards
(18:11):
against UH, against Paul George and also against Kawhi Leonard
on the final possession. Had two games come down to
the wire, they trotted out Zion as well, who is
a big draw. Fewer people watched Lakers Clippers after months
without the n B A then watched Lakers Clippers back
in October when it was the middle of football season,
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when there was a lot of other sporting events going on.
Then in the NBA over the weekend was only up
two percent on ESPN and other channels out there, meaning
that unlike NASCAR, unlike the UFC, unlike Major League Baseball,
unlike golf, which all had massive audiences, the numbers did
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not surge for the NBA. I think, ain't that has
to do with the NBA being more political than any
other league. Names in the back of the jerseys UH,
the name that black lives matter on the basketball court,
and the kneeling for the n anthem and the anthem,
all three of those things almost impossible to miss if
you are a casual sports fan tuning in. Do you
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buy into that being the reason that, unlike every other league,
the NBA did not surge. Jason Whitlock. I'm sure that
played a role. I think that the NBA that I've
watched is just so saturated with the political anger. And
(19:40):
it's not just what's on the court. It's not just
what's on the back of the jersey. It's not just
the national anthem. It's the commercials and it's the preaching commercials,
and it's look where when you sit down to watch sports,
I'm mostly you want to watch it with something close
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to a smile on your face. It's supposed to be enjoyable.
You have a beer, you have a cocktail, you're cracking
jokes with your friends. You're not thinking about someone getting
killed by the police. You're not thinking about riots and
(20:26):
looting and vandalism and racism and this person hates that
person because of this or that. You're that's the thing.
And I'm telling I have enjoyed the basketball and I've watched,
but I'm not watching it with a smile on my face.
And I'm just I just think there's so much going
(20:50):
on in this country. People are so financially strapped, people
are so concerned about their futures, husbands and five. On
top of each other more than they are. There's so
much tension in people's homes. I don't know if I
(21:13):
want sports adding more attention. And I just think at
some point, the athletes, the average American is going to
have to come to groups like well, damn, who wants
us at each other's throats like this? Twenty four seven?
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Who wants us this agitated each other? Is it really
as simple as what they tell you on some of
the major cable networks, Is this is Donald Trump? He
just he's inspired all this hate. That's a simplistic answer.
I don't think it's an accurate one. I think it's
two people that want to see America fall. America's global
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and enemies and the people working with them inside America
want us in a constant state of agitation and tension
and point and finger pointing. And it's I hate white people,
I hate black people, it's you know, I hate illegal immigrant.
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I just I just hate hate, hate, hate, hate, heat hate.
And at some point, as Americas, I just think we
gotta ask ourselves is this healthy? Is this good? Are
we not being played against each other by people who
don't care about us? You know? The answers to me
just seeing crystal clear China, uh, Russia. They want America
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to fall our global competition, and they're using sports is
just another tool to divide us and keep it to
each other at our throats. And so that's just a
long way of saying that there's been no league more
political than the NBA, and no league I think that
more operates at the behest of China than the n
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b A and so I just think the NBA is
more out of step with the average American, the average
sports fan, and so no, they're not going to get
the bounce that other leagues have gotten from people being
sitting at home with nothing to do. They're not getting
the bounce, and it, you know, it could can just
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continue to get worse as long as they keep down
this path. All right, here's my big issue that I
think doesn't get enough attention. Uh if you rightly believe,
if you agree with NBA player activism and everything else,
what I don't think is getting enough attention. Jason Whitlock
is I'm looking at the actual data. And this is
where people get mad at me, because whether it's the
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coronavirus or anything else, I try to look at the
facts and use what the facts are to construct an
argument about what's going on. Okay, here are the facts. Portlands,
l A, Atlanta, New York City, Chicago, all of them
are having rates of violence the likes of which we
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have never seen in the history of those cities, modern
history of those cities. A lot of our listeners it's
never even happened, right Like, I was reading a story
yesterday and I was like, man, this is crazy that
it's not a bigger story. Portland's. They have been feuding
in Portland for even and protesting and everything else. Majority
(24:33):
white city. By the way, shootings in Portland's are at
a thirty year high. There are a lot of young
people listening to me right now who don't even remember,
weren't even born the last time there were this much shootings,
same thing going on in New York City, Atlanta, all
over our country with much of the onus being on Hey,
(24:53):
the police are awful. The police are awful human beings.
The death rate is skyrocketing for murders and shootings, violent
crime as skyrockety Minneapolis as well. Are we making the
wrong decisions as a society when we have demonized police,
which were the people who were keeping that from happening,
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and we're using what is rightfully something that makes people
angry with what happened to George Floyd, that is actually
creating far more shootings and death than would be if
we were responding in a more responsible fashion. In other words,
if the NBA was taking a knee and they were saying, hey,
we understand some police are bad, but we're big supporters
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of the police as well. I just I look at this,
Jason Witlock, and it just gets me fired up because
we are destroying something policing in this country which protects
far more lives, and as a result, we're leading to
more deaths, and it's like nobody's willing to actually look
at the data and talk about it. I want to
go back to my original point is that the people
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that want to destabilize this country, you know, the way
you destabilize is make people not trust authority, and authority
in this country is under incredible scrutiny and under incredible hostility,
and the media has promoted fear in every way possible,
(26:20):
not the coronavirus, fear of the police. And any time
you're making decisions out of fear, you tend to make irrational,
bad decisions. Fear is the enemy of good. It's it's
you know, for those of us that lean into religious faith,
(26:42):
a lot of it has to do with conquering your
fear and fear it's it creates stress, it creates poor health.
And they have studies that tell you face based people
live long or they're healthier. And you know, I'm not
(27:03):
a prime example of that because I'm overweight. But if
you just look at people that lean into their faith,
they're more relaxed, they're not controlled by fear, they make
better decisions. We've unleased the level of fear in America
that's unhealthy and has erode in our decision making. Sunday, Clay,
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I'm in Kansas City. I go on a long walk
with a friend of mine. We go through an area
in Kansas City called brook Side, and we looked. I
looked to my left and I was like, oh, there's
a Black Lives Matter protest. So I walked down there
because I just want to see what it was about
and see what they were talking about and what the
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people and again, it was a promotion of irrational fear,
the people speaking and all that, and I'm just like,
we're just whipping people into a frenzy of fear and
there making bad decisions, and we're talking about people carrying
to defund the police. And I'm just thinking, and again,
(28:09):
the overwhelming majority of this crowd, let's say they were
I'm gonna say a hundred hundred people. There were probably
thirty black people there. And I'm looking at these white
people and some of them are dragging five and six
year old kids with signs to this and it's a
defunded police and I'm just thinking, like, you do know
(28:29):
that the black people in these four communities, these high
crime communities, this defunding the police is gonna lead to
more of them being killed and and victims of violent crime.
And I just wanted, like, do you care or is
this just your feel good moment? You can say I
took my kids to a Black Lives Matter uh rally,
(28:52):
I stix racism. Look, how good is this? Just clearing
your conscience while other people suffered the consequences of the
fear and the irrational decision making that you've created. It's
a very selfish behavior that's illogical and hurting a lot
of people. Closing out the show next to Jason Whitlock
(29:16):
and myself. This is the Monday edition of OutKick probably
the smartest radio you're gonna hear anywhere in the country.
This is Outkicked the Coverage with Clay Travis. Welcome back.
In final segment, Outkicked the Coverage. Appreciate all of you
hanging out with us. It's winlock Mondays at least until
(29:38):
hopefully the NFL gets back, and then we'll have to
pick a different day of the week for him to
come and hang out. Are you optimistic, Jason Whitlock as
we get closer and closer to NFL official workouts going on,
and we've got all the other different sports leagues back,
do you think, based on what you're seeing right now,
(29:59):
that we are going to have what I believe is
going to be the busiest August, September, and October maybe
in the history of a media American sports calendar. Are
you as optimistic as I am as we finish off
the Monday edition of the show at least going forward
in terms of having sports back, Yes, and no, I'm
the one thing we didn't get to that you know,
(30:22):
we probably should have and maybe we can't here shortly
as this brief period, but the pack twelve situation is
pretty enormous. You have the athletes threatening not to participate
and play, saying that they they realize that, you know,
(30:42):
unless we're getting paid, and we may have to break
off from the n C double A. The pack twelve
situation is disconcerting to me. And I'm I'm glad I'm
moving TONEC Country, I guess, but I just wondered if
that's gonna read from there and hurt college football. Uh.
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I guess. I just kind of feel like the NFL
will play because I think most of the athletes realized, look,
I got a very short window to make a lot
of money, and can I really walk away from a
year of Ernie? And so I feel pretty decent about
the NFL, But college football I'm really concerned about. Yeah,
(31:27):
it is. UH. I talked a lot about this at
the start of our two, and it's such a fascinating,
larger scale question that needs to be examined, that has
all these different conflicting parts. And I would encourage people
who are listening to us right now to go download
the podcast UH and you can go listen to the
top of our two where I talk about all these
(31:47):
different complicated factors and to me, it kind of lives
with the larger issue that's at play, which is almost
everything out there that is complex in this country is
a multi factorial complexity, by which I mean, hey, you
can't just change X, and why is going to be
the result? Right? And much of social media lives as
(32:10):
if that is the world we live in. Right, Oh,
we're gonna change X, and why is going to be
the result? And my point is no, no, no, no,
there's a lot of factors in here. You're gonna get Z,
and you might get a B and C all rolled
in together too. And this has been my big issue
with the coronavirus, and now it's my big issue with
protesting in general. People protest as if hey, we're gonna
(32:31):
fix this and there's not gonna be any other challenge. Well,
let me give you an example. If you demonize the police,
then the police are not able to do their jobs,
and the murder rate goes up. Well, if you tell
people to go stay in their house to try to
avoid the coronavirus, well then depression goes up, rates of
child abuse go up, drug abuse goes up. All of
these are multi factorial issues, and it seems to me
(32:53):
that social media derives a lot of its power by
demanding single factor responses is which are not intelligent or
sophisticated enough to fit modern day social complexities. And I
think athletics is part of the problem right now as
a part of the solution, because there's very few people
who acknowledge that does that make sense? And so I
think also the Pact twelve situation, you're gonna have a
(33:15):
lot of people line up and say, oh, X is
the answer, and then we'll get why and it's like no, no, no.
There are a lot of other factors at play here
that I tried to dive into at the start of
our two and maybe we need to have a big
discussion about that next week when you come on. But
I think it's emblematic of where we are as a
nation right now that nobody has the has the the
temperament or the time to actually consider complex issues. They don't.
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It's one of the things I saw this weekend with
the NHL was a big end racism sign over their
national anthem ceremony, and one of the things, I mean,
it's like we've simplified this thing, like we're going to
end racism. I first of all, can we agree on
(34:07):
do we have any consensus on what racism is? Because
it seems to be whatever somebody wants it to be first.
I mean, just as the biggest examples like there's just
no proof Derek Chausen killed George Floyd out of racism,
but we call it racism. And so it's like, is
(34:28):
are we going to end any interaction between black and
white people if they have a bad interaction? Is the
is it always going to be all that had to
be racist? Well if that's the case, when racism will
never end because all it takes is someone to label
it that. And so you're right. I think my issue
(34:51):
with the Pact twelve and what you're suggesting is like
no one's really offering solutions. They're just offering complaints as
opposed to construction, which is what I've spent a lot
of time on. It's easy to destroy something, it's very
hard to build something. Yeah, and and and that's why
this whole thing of taking the dump on all the
(35:12):
founding fathers and not recognize that will hold on. Man,
they were flawed, but damn they built something that's pretty good,
that's world class, that has corrected a lot of problems
that it took other countries longer to overcome than how
quickly we moved on from them in the grand scheme
(35:35):
of things. And so do we really want to throw
all this out and and turn it over to who
the crazy purple hood haired people in Portland's they got
something better they're gonna put together than what George Washington
and Thomas Jefferthon put together. I want to see it. Yeah,
I don't think is coming up with the declaration of
(35:56):
independence in Seattle either. It's a great it's a great
it's a great point. Uh. And you need to be
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with me. Thank you. Uh. This has been outkicked the coverage.
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