01/06/2021 - Best of Outkick the Coverage

Clay Travis opens the studio-lines for a famous Outkick Jury. Would a man making a comment about a female athlete's looks get swept under the rug the same way it happened with Trevor Lawrence? The crew and callers from around the nation weigh-in. Plus, Shannon Spake joins the show to talk all the latest sports headlines and gives her two cents on the Trevor Lawrence topic, and her challenges staying looking sharp, as she reps for all the women. Clay has a genius (or ridiculous) idea for Browns coach Kevin Stefanski to be able to coach Cleveland in the playoffs, even with Covid. Plus, Humorous writer for Outkick.com, Joe Kinsey is in the house to talk sports and pop culture, including a breakdown of Selma Hayek!

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(00:22):
Sports Radio. Nick Saban's daughter off the top rope on
Ohio State over alleged COVID issues, It appears that the
game is still scheduled for January eleven. We've got COVID
issues with the Browns, Kevin Stefanski not going to be
able to coach for the first Brown's playoff game in

(00:44):
eighteen years. Poll question that is up right now that
many of you are waking up and rushing to Twitter
to vote in. Is I think a good poll question? Uh,
And I'm kind of surprised by how many of you
have the same opinion here. Should the NFL allow Brown's
coach Kevin Stefanski to coach remotely for the playoff game?

(01:05):
Approaching ten thousand of you have voted so far, in
the first hour of this poll, in eighty four percent
of you say yes. The entire team on the radio
show agrees that he should be able to except for
diehard Pittsburgh Steeler fan Eddie Garcia, who was adamantly opposed
to having Stefanski coach. Terrified, maybe even one might say um, alright, So,

(01:30):
speaking of Terrified, I wanted to bring in the OutKick jury.
So I want you guys to go ahead and load
up the phone lines eight seven, seven nine nine six
six three six nine. Do we have the the the
music for the OutKick jury? There it is. Every now
and then we decide we're going to do the OutKick jury.
The OutKick jury is responsible for listening to the evidence,

(01:51):
for assessing the arguments, and for rendering a verdict. All right,
here is your evidence. One Trevorlawrence, soon to be the
number one overall draft pick, presumably in the NFL, headed
to Jacksonville. He has a very bad mustache. That mustache.

(02:12):
I don't know if he's wearing it to make a
joke statement. I'm not sure exactly what's going on with
the mustache, but he does not appear to have much
facial hair. So after the loss to Ohio State, adding
insult to injury. This occurred, this is real on the
zoom call for Trevor Lawrence sah, please maude speaking, so

(02:45):
we don't know, so we don't know who that was. Sorry,
I cut that off. Let's play that one more time
for people out there who may not have heard it.
So Trevor Lawrence is answering a question on the zoom
and somebody hops in and says that he needs to
shave his mustache. All right, here it is again, save

(03:05):
us please mute speaking, Oh thank you? All right, So
we don't know exactly who the comments are. There was
saying that he needs to save his mustache, right, but

(03:27):
Trevor Lawrence laughed it off. The mustache does look a
bit ridiculous. Let's be honest, does anyone have a mustache
that doesn't look ridiculous? Before we go to the out
kick jury? Can anyone think of a current human that
has a mustache and it doesn't look ridiculous like you
have seen them. I'm not talking about a beard, I'm

(03:48):
not talking about a goatee. I'm talking about just a mustache.
Can anyone think of a current human that has just
a mustache? A famous person and looks phenomenal with that
mustache back in the day, Tom Selleck, back in the day,
that's like thirty years ago, I mean right now, Sellek

(04:08):
might still have a mustache for all we know. But
that's who a lot of people think about when they
think about mustaches. So mustaches right now people have masks on. Alright.
So but is there a single can anybody on the
show going once, going twice, anybody that hasn't famous to
find famous? I mean that all of us would know.

(04:30):
All right, never mind, then, so well, who are you
thinking of? There's an actor named Nick Offerman who has
a great mustache. Ye who is Nick? I don't know
who Nick Offerman is. Oh, oh, that's kind of a
funny mustache though, right, I don't know. It looks pretty spectacular,
yeah right, but he's wearing it because it's a ridiculous
looking mustache. I think he has that in real life.

(04:54):
I don't think it's just part of his character. But
you don't think he's okay, So all right, so you
have found one person, all right? There, one man who
looks great with the mustache and his famous and in
famous in quotation marks. All right, So uh so that
is comes out during the zoom All right? Now, my
question for everyone, including the out kick jury eight seven

(05:17):
seven three six nine. Trevor Lawrence, to his credit, laughs
this off. It doesn't become an issue. If this is
a female athlete and a male voice comes on and
says something negative about her appearance, does everyone laugh it

(05:39):
off and does it immediately vanish as an issue or
does it become a sign of toxic masculinity? Does a
mob try to track down whose voice it was and
insists that either this guy be fired or that he
pays some form of nalty in his professional career. Because

(06:03):
I think if let's say, who's the most famous female
athlete right now in America? Serena Williams probably right, anybody
got a better nominee than Serena Williams. If somebody came
on during a Serena Williams broadcast, you know, zoom call
after one of her matches and ridiculed her hair, or
her weight or god forbid, if she had a mustache,

(06:26):
anything physical, what she wore, anything cosmetic, I think that
guy would likely get fired. Okay, Serena Williams, who's another
famous female athlete right now? Top of the line. That
would have a lot of people asking questions of her.
Your favorite Megan Rapino, Megan Repeal, God forbid if somebody

(06:49):
came on and ripped Megan Rapino. I don't think there's
any doubt that the guy, if he were ripping her,
would suffer significant const an FBI investigation immediately right Twitter
blue check marks would be up in up in arms
over it. So does anybody? Does anybody? So? To me?

(07:12):
The ideal situation here is what happened. The precedent should be, Hey,
somebody says something that maybe they're not intending for everybody
else to hear. Certainly that can happen with a zoom
and everybody hears it instead. Trevor Lawrence. I thought handled
it fine. He laughed it off. That's what should happen
on a regular basis. But if we change this and

(07:36):
it's a guy who says an insult of a female athlete,
let's say Megan Rapino, let's say Serena Williams, does it
get laughed off and become not a story at all,
or does the guy potentially lose his job? Danny g
What say you? Oh? I say it would be World
War three? On men. Yes, if this was reverse, it

(07:58):
would be a sign of toxic masculine lenity. How little
men appreciate women athletes. All they're doing is always looking
at their physical appearance. All of that. Can you imagine
if it was Serena talking on that zoom and a
man's voice came on and said, look at Serena's cake face.
That makeup is horrible. Yeah, we would not hear the
end of it. Oh, that's it. I didn't even think

(08:21):
about the I didn't think about the the idea of
going after makeup. Yeah, let your girlfriend or wife hear
you ridicule their makeup and they will remember that for
the rest of eternity. I mean, I'm even scared to
even talk about it now. Dub what what say you?
What would happen? Well, I think it'd probably the lead
story on many other radio and television shows. There's zeroed

(08:45):
out that day, and I think it would not only
be a lead story on UH sports shows and many
of them. I think it would like be on the
Today Show, you know they Good Morning America. They would
be bringing this story out. Do you think the guy
would get fired? He would definitely be flirting with that.
I think probably Yeah, yeah, instant suspension at least. Yeah,

(09:07):
what about you, Eddie? How does it? How does it
play out? You've been doing updates for a long time.
It would play out exactly the way you think it
would play out. There would be outrage, Christine Brennan would
be falling all over herself to bust out a two
page article on it for USA Today, and uh yeah,
he would be the person would either be suspended or
more likely fired. Yes, what about your berto any doubt? Yeah, no, no,

(09:30):
no question. All right, So if you wanna get mad
at me for bringing up stories like these, like, I
don't know if you guys saw Keith Olberman, who I
think is honestly, I really do wish that he would
get some mental health help because I used to love
him back in the day, and and part of me
is like, it's crazy that when I was a kid,
I'd get up in the morning and eat my cereal
and watch Dan Patrick and Keith Olberman, and now Keith

(09:52):
Olberman is obsessively tweeting me and like taking issue with
my opinions all the time, And I'm like, if you
had told me when I was twelve, when I was
in seven, great and I was eating my my cheerios
in the morning before I would go to school, that
one day Keith Olberman would be obsessed with my opinions.
I would have been like, this is the craziest thing ever.
And by the way that my radio show would lead

(10:13):
into Dan Patrick, you want to talk about blowing a
kid's mind. I mean, so, when I'm sitting there watching
the Big Show with Dan Patrick and Keith Olberman, the
idea that either of them would ever know me, but
much more so that Olberman would be obsessed with me. Right,
So Olberman comes out and he's like, why are you
why even you know basically changed the story here, right,
Like why make a subtle alteration like that? And I said,

(10:36):
that's what lawyers do, right, That's what we're trained to do.
If I put my lawyer hat on, the idea is
instead of responding emotionally based on identity, you take a
step back and you say, Okay, what if this exact
same scenario happened, but instead of a famous male athlete
like Trevor Lawrence, it was a famous female athlete and

(10:58):
basically the same kind of insults slash critique was going
on of physical appearance. What would the reaction be. And
if there's a big difference in the way that we
react to it, that's called not treating similar situations similarly.
We're not applying the same precedent regardless of who's involved.

(11:20):
So maybe some people disagree with me. That's why we
have the outkicked jury. Is the jury and panel now
dub somewhat, yes, somewhat. Do we need more calls? I
think we have a strong enough jury here between the
callers and the crew, all right, eight seven seven, And
I haven't asked this question a while. Can you field
calls while the callers talk? Or did we determine that

(11:41):
that's impossible? Still, for some reason, I believe at this
moment in time, it is possible. It is possible. Yes, okay,
well that's quite an improvements have been on fire as
up all right. So there that means we can literally
be talking to someone DUB and you can feel the
call at the same time. In theory, yes, okay, we'll

(12:03):
see how that goes. I don't think it's gonna work
eight seven seven, three six nine. Play the music. Let's
bring up the music here there it is the out
kick jury has been in panel. What happens. If this
is a man ridiculing a female athletes physical appearance, what
happens to him? Who is up first? Dub? We got

(12:24):
Tim in Wisconsin, Tim in Wisconsin. What happens to the
male journalist? Not good? Start? Literally? Oh god, nobody can.
I'm telling you it's not that we was. How would
Archie Bunker Jefferson surviving today's climate. We've become two PC.

(12:44):
It's over for the male, I mean, be a male,
even athlete or a person is a shaming thing these days.
It's just it's just ridiculous. Thanks for the call. That's
just my opinion. Thanks, thank you for the call. I
have to say that sounded like a lot of toxic
masculinity from Wisconsin starting off with some toxic masculinity. I
feel like he might have been man splaining for everybody
out there. By the way, I think I would be

(13:06):
better at writing the columns, the woke columns that would
ensue from this and from all these other ridiculousness than
many of the people that actually write these columns. It's
like mad libs. I I could, I could dictate what
their column will say right now live on the air.
I could just I mean somebody sitting there with a

(13:27):
stenographer like in court, they could just write an entire
column and we could just go ahead and write Christine
Brennan's name right on top of it, Dan Waalkins name
right on top of it, Mike Florio's name right on
top of it. Whoever the most awoke Corona brows are
out there boom printed, this is their name. This is
exactly what their take would be. Who's up next? Du

(13:48):
we got J in Baltimore, J in Baltimore. What do
you think happens? I think you're You're absolutely right. I
think one thing that you are forgetting it is the
major detail, isn't that it's you're an example with Sna Williams,
she's a black woman versus being a white woman. Yeah,
but hold on, on the pyramid of victimization, Megan Rapino

(14:09):
is also gay, so it's not just that she's mean.
You know, her identity would be you know, you got
that's true. Serena Williams a black woman, but Megan Repino
is a gay woman, and on that I'm not sure. Actually,
thanks for the call, which is on the higher on
the pyramid of victimization. Do we know? Are they equal?

(14:31):
Who would trump the other one? Like, who would be
more victimized on the society victimization chart right now? Is
everyone terrified to answer that question? I'm not sure. I'm
not sure if it would be the black woman or
the gay woman. Is your sexuality more of an issue

(14:52):
or is your race more of an issue? Right now?
On the pyramid of victimization, I'm not sure which one
is descending. It kind of fluctuates. Coin flip, coin flip.
That's a coin flip. What do you think anybody have
a strong take on which one is more victimized because
it can vary from like day to day, week to week.
It's like the stock market, the pyramid of victimization. Remember

(15:15):
Jesse Smollett, It was like, oh, he's not only a
black guy, he's a black gay guy. So when that
guy that he said was in the Trump hat and
like put the noose on him and everything else, people
were like, well, this is exactly what you should expect
to have happened to a black gay man in America today.
Of course, he made the whole thing up, but that
was what people said. He was a double victim of

(15:36):
that guy in the Maga hat who was out at
two am when it was like minus forty degrees in Chicago.
Whatever happened with that? He got charged with a crime?
Right there? Was there ever any resolution there? I'm not sure. Yeah,
I don't know either. Who's up next on the on
the let me get the sound here going? Who's up

(15:56):
next on the jury? All right? Up next? We got
Chris in Texas. Chris, what happens? Well? You forgot to
mention Sam Elliott's magnificent money. Oh you know what, Sam
Elliott does have an incredible mustache. Does anybody on the Yellowstone?
I think Rip on Yellowstone? Does he have a beard
or a mustache? I was thinking now that you mentioned

(16:16):
Sam Elliot, because he's a western sort of star. In fact,
he's got even a guest spot on Yellowstone, great television show,
Kevin Costner. I'm trying to think if there's anybody with Oh,
they have the old guy, the old guy, the sort
of salt and pepper old cowboy has a great mustache.
I think sometimes I'm forgetting if they have mustaches or beard.
I can't remember if RiPP. I think Rip has a beard. Alright,

(16:40):
great one with Sam Elliott? Is he still there? Do
we lose him? Yeah? Yeah, what happens absolutely Uh. The
mail reporter gets absolutely ripped, and you know, Forcibly retired,
Forcibly resigns. Second of all, Trevord Lawrence even says anything
remotely he gets it. He gets all over and he

(17:00):
told without says anything about the lady mentioning it. He
gets walked all over just because he's supposed to take it.
Thanks for the calling, I will say, I do think
that Trevor Lawrence handled that perfectly right if everybody just
handled it in scenarios like those, kind of laugh it
off and not treated as if it's the most serious

(17:21):
thing of all time. I mean, let's be honest. The
mustache does look ridiculous, and I think Trevor Lawrence is
probably growing it a little bit to be funny. I
don't know him, I don't know what his personality is,
but the way he handled that makes me think that
he will handle the media fairly well, because you know,

(17:42):
he could have pouted, he could have been insulted, but
he just laughed it off. That's the way we should
handle situations like that. But unfortunately we wouldn't because the
victimization pyramid would insist that there be someone to sacrifice
at the altar of the woke crowd. The politically correct
community would demand their sacrifice more calls. Yeah, we're loaded

(18:07):
up now, all right, let's go through a bunch of
them as fast as we can. Who's up next? All right?
Austin in Ohio? Austin? What happens? Hey, Clarent? What's up?
I got Dio Bernard as a great mustache guy for
the Bengals, Oh, running back? Yeah for that. I didn't
know he had a master all right, that's a solid mustache.
I actually picked him up in fantasy after Joe Mixon

(18:27):
got hurt because of his mustache. Team was fantastic. What happens?
What happens if it's a female athlete? The male reporter,
I don't really think it's that big of a deal. Normway.
I agree with you're you're off the top rope takes
on the PC police, But I don't really think it's
a big deal here because women tend to be more sensitive.

(18:48):
That's why you can't make comments about like their weight
and hair and stuff. And Trevor Lawrence, I mean, I
have a mustache two and people give me a hard
time for it all the time. I don't care right,
there's no doubt. Yesterday we were talking about the fact
that women get the opportunity to ridicule men all the
time with no consequences, and the analogy I used on
yesterday's show. I was talking to my buddy Chad with row.
I said, Hey, if you're on a dating profile and

(19:11):
a woman writes in her like, you know what she's
looking for, no bald men, no short men. People are like, okay,
she doesn't want to date a bald guy or a
short guy. Guy writes no fat chicks. Everybody is furious
at him. Yet you can control your weight, you can't
really control how tall you are or whether or not

(19:33):
you have hair. Yet women are allowed to just ridicule
short bald men, and men have to just wear it.
And if a man's like, yeah, I'm not really into
fat chicks, it's like, oh my god, she's a great personality,
she has a really pretty face. Why would you be
such an awful human being? And I even said this

(19:54):
with my wife. My wife is five too, I asked
her back, I don't. Years and years ago, I said, hey,
would you have ever dated me if I were five
six I'm about six ft? She said no, and I'm like,
but you're five too, I would still be way taller
than you. Makes no sense. Who's up next? Ub? We
got John and Eugene Oregon? John? What happens? How's it

(20:18):
going with Phyllis? Excellent? All mean? I think the reason
why you don't see any good mustaches anymore is because
the mustache is more an older generation. Like Chris said,
you know, uh, you got Truck, Doris got Tom Selleck,
you got all of them, and saying Elliott with their mustaches,
that's why you don't see it. Nowadays, we're all about
beards and go tee day, but forget about a man

(20:42):
commenting on the clothes or the hair. About that, What
would really happen if a man told a woman shape
for mustache, Oh, he'd be dead. I don't know that
you ever recover from telling a woman that she's got
a mustache. I really don't, or that she's got a goatee,
any facial hair that you draw attention to with woman,
I think you might as well just jump off a
bridge and drown yourself because your life's over. I don't

(21:05):
think you could ever come back from that. Yeah, it's
a vibe killer, vibe killer. I think it's a I
think it's a life killer. Like, there are a lot
of things you could say to your wife that she
might forgive you for. I think you're growing a mustache,
not one of them. I think your relationship is over,
I really do. Who's up next? We got Chris in

(21:26):
North Carolina. Chris, what happens? I think at first he suspended,
and then public pressure would mounts, and then they probably
end up leading to a termination. Now you're a lawyer,
would that be some sort of wrongful termination suit? Now,
usually you can get fired for anything. It's a good
it's a good question. You're probably right, because a lot
of times they try to like halfway it, like we'll
take a half step in, we're gonna suspend, we're not

(21:47):
gonna fire, and then it would probably build. Here's the
other thing that would happen. This is how mobs work.
They would go through everything this guy has ever done
in his career, right, and let's say he's a you know,
fifty year old guy. He's got twenty five years or
thirty years worth of stuff out there. They would find
something offensive that he did twenty years ago, and they

(22:08):
would be like, see, this is the kind of toxic
masculinity that we've allowed to exist forever. He's still man
splaining to us, we can't have men like this in
our business. And you get fired. And the scary thing is,
by the way, nobody else would defend him, because everybody
else would be afraid that they would be the next target.

(22:28):
It's crazy. Who's up next? We'll final one. Then we're
gonna go to Shannon Spake. We'll see what she thinks. Yeah,
last one here, Andrew and Tennessee, Andrew, what do you think?
I agree with you. I do believe uh, he would
be suspended at first, and they I think whoever suspended
him with China see if uh it died down a

(22:48):
little bit, but I don't hope somebody else and eventually
would be and then eventually he would be let go.
But y'all forgot about a mustache Dave wants that had
an amazing mission. I know Dave on Stet Well, I
can't believe I forgot about the day the one stash.
Dave Wonstead has got a great mustache. Great guy. We
did television together, uh for several years. In fact, this

(23:10):
is actually a pretty funny story. Dave won Stet was
once so mad at me because we were supposed to
be taking this is I don't know if I've told
this on the air before. We were supposed to be
taping a segment on the Fox Sports a Lot, Me
and Dave won Stet, maybe Matt Liner, I don't remember
who else, but coaches tend to be pretty prompt, right,

(23:30):
And we had a set time that we were supposed
to be there to tape the segment, and I had
gone up to the Westfield mall uh to watch Gone Girl.
And I didn't know how long Gone Girl was gonna
go as a super long movie, and they had like
a ton of previews, and you know, I turned my
phone off in movie theater because I didn't wanted to

(23:52):
go off, and when I when I turned it back on,
I had like ten messages and one Stet. I eventually
got there and he was like, where you've been. I
was like, can you imagine telling Dave Ones that that
you were watching Gone Girl by yourself at the movie
theater and that was why you had shown up late
to film your segment. You pulled a Geno Smith. Oh yeah,
I mean they would have cut me in a heartbeat

(24:14):
if I'd been on the bears. All right. When we
come back, we'll talk with Shannon Spake about whether or
not a man should just throw himself off a bridge
if he ever thinks that a woman has a mustache.
Be sure to catch live editions about Kicked the coverage
with Clay Travis week days at six am Eastern three
am Pacific. Shannon Spake, We've got a bunch of different questions.
Are you ready to have your mind blown? Yeah? First

(24:36):
of all, James Franco and Brad Pitt can rock the
mustache from time to time like no one else. I
just went into my mentions. I got so many different
guy mustaches that were great, um, and I jotted down
a couple of them that we hadn't mentioned. Steve Harvey
has a great mustache. Yeah, I could get I think
I'm on board with that one. I mean, he's outstanding

(24:57):
on family feud, He's had a mustache for a long time.
A lot people saying, how in the world are you
not mentioning Andy Reid. I can't even imagine Andy Reid
without his mustache, So, I mean that is like a
must have mustache on the on the monument there and
then there were a ton of others that we mentioned.
I think, uh so, first question for you, yea, how

(25:18):
tall are you? Like? Five eight? I'm offended that you're
even asking this question right now, Clay, You're not allowed
just kidding. Five seven and five seven? Alright, so you're
five seven? Cant no, I'm gonna guess you're you're in
good shape, like one twenty or something like that. I'm guessing,
but uh, you are five seven. Would you date a
man who was also five seven if you were single?

(25:40):
Did you ever date a man shorter than you when
you were single? Um? Five seven? Watch two? Would I
think I would? Yeah? Listen, I used to tell I
think this story is so funny. Jason Leffler, who was
a race car driver for a long time. He was
about five five five six, and he passed away I
think about five or six years ago, an interracing accident.

(26:01):
But but he used to People used to make fun
of his height, and he would always say, let me
stand on my wallet and I'll show you how tall
I am. That's a good line. That's a good line. Right, Um, Yeah,
I think I would. I have no problem with shorter guys. Yeah,
what do you think about my wife who was five too,
saying she would not have dated me if I were
five six. Well, you would have to ask her, is
that before or after she got to know you, because

(26:22):
like before she's like she's like now she's like no,
I wouldn't say you have to be the whole everything, right,
But I'm not sure she wants to be married to
me now, I mean an excuse to get out of
the marriage I think she would take. Yeah, I would
a guy that say as tall as me for sure?
All Right, So what is the worst thing that a
guy ever said to you that you could say on

(26:43):
the radio? Was there ever ever an interaction where you
were like, this is I'm never talking to this guy again.
When I was in high school, I remember I had
a guy I was really conscious of my weight back
in high school, and I had someone call me like
fat in high school, and it like stuck with me
for a really long time. But in terms of like
professional because this is we're talking about Trevor Lawrence here, right,

(27:05):
so we're talking about like being in a professional um arena.
And I had a coach Livelan Air, in a postgame
interview tell me that I was wearing nice leather pants
and like the way he said it. I just kind
of laughed it off, but he was like, nice leather pants.
And let me tell you, I had no problem with it.
I thought it was funny. You know. I talked to
him about it afterwards and he said he didn't mean anything,

(27:26):
but I had like schools calling me, like women's classes
calling me. And long ago did that happen? This was
two okay, so that was relatively recent because I remember
you could find it on you You can find it
on YouTube too. It's it's out there. So so you
just kind of laughed it off. I remember, was it
Bruce Pearl who like gave Aaron Andrews a hug and
it was kind of a thing. Do you remember that?

(27:47):
I do remember that, And so obviously the dynamic there
is different. Nice leather pants is actually kind of funny.
Um maybe, but it's kind of a weird thing to
say in the middle of an interview on on television, like, yeah,
so have you been terrified that during a zoom call

(28:09):
your mike might not be muted? Because I do think
like the saying the thing about Trevor Lawrences mustache, that
also kind of plays into a lot of fear that
people have regardless of what you do for a living.
And obviously the worst case scenario out there is the
Jeffrey the Jeffrey Tuban incident, which I don't even need
to get into for people who want to. If people

(28:29):
want to google Jeffrey Tuban, if you don't know that story, uh,
that's like pretty unbelievable. But I do think there are
a lot of people out there that aren't aware. They're
not technologically astute, and so they're not aware either what
their camera is showing or that their audio is still on.
And it can be audio not in an embarrassing way,
just like a kid's running in or somebody's watching television

(28:53):
or listening to something else. But that's a big fear
right now, right Yeah. I just this season during NFL, like,
I a conference call was starting earlier than I expected,
and I'm like in the middle of getting changed, and
i jump on the zoom and I'm in the middle
of getting changed, and I'm like, oh oh, and I
like the double check to make sure that it's not
on camera on you know, uh, the same thing with this.

(29:14):
I mean, I've got kids they're screaming, I've got dogs barking,
I've got you know. Absolutely when I was when I
when my kids were first born. I remember I was
on a conference call with NASCAR and like the higher
ups of NASCAR, and I was changing my kids diaper
and he was probably like, I don't know, three months
old at the time, and I'm talking to him like
you're you know, you're a good boy for making a poopoo,
And all of a sudden, I'm like, oh am, I on,

(29:35):
like the president of NASCAR is on this fall and
I'm like, you know, praising my son for for going
to the bathroom. Thankfully it was muted, but absolutely it
happens to everybody. That Trevor Lawrence thing. I think. I
agree with you, right, It's double standard. It just is
is it? Is it? Listen, I'm sitting here looking at myself.
I've got this, I got this laser treatment yesterday. My

(29:57):
face is swollen. It's something that I don't think most
men would do, but women would do it, no problem.
It is a double standard, but it is what it
is because women, I think, from the very beginning of
our lives, it's all about like what we mean, all
about like dressing nice, are looking good. We are so
judged by our physical appearances that we go to these
extreme lengths to continue to like to continue to uh

(30:20):
not age, I guess. And I was thinking about it,
Like you've talked many times about your your breasts, right like,
and you're fine with it, and you go out and
you're fine with it. Now a woman might not so
might not be so much. Right, It's just a double standard.
It's just what it is you're talking about. Yes, you've
talked about it. That's the only I've been topless. I've
been topless on television. Um, you were talking about like

(30:43):
the cameras, Like I've got cameras in my house because
of the television show. And so I think they put
it on out kick Like I was changing shirts in front.
I have the worst nipples that have ever been existence.
Like if I can change, yeah, if I could change
one thing about my body, I wish that I had nipples.
Like I've talked about this with Petro's quite a bit
because we've been in the same dressing room and you know,

(31:04):
we've had nipples. Petro's only has one and a half
nipples because his other one got ripped off playing football.
But I don't have that excuse. I just have the
worst genetic nipples that have ever been given, like on
the nipple scale, I I drew the short straw. But
so the guy gets fired though, right, Like, the guy
is gonna get fired if that happens to him, and

(31:24):
it's something that he's saying about a female athlete. I
also think it's just how it's approached, right. I mean,
I could have made a big deal about this coach
saying this to me. That's true, And isn't it helpful
that that's a good point because your reaction, not you specifically,
but anybody's reaction to a story like that, like Trevor

(31:44):
Lawrence just laughed it off. Uh, And that's honestly, I
think the way that stories like those should play out
is like, hey, let's all give the take advantage of
sometimes moments of levity. Let's all acknowledge that some people
are idiots, that everybody's not an awful human being. But yeah,
I think you're right. The reaction of the person would

(32:05):
also be a this positive fact there, because if it
were laughed off by the athlete, then that could also
give a pass a bit. And I truly wasn't offended
by what he said. Now, if he had said something
that offended me. Maybe I would have reacted in a
different way, but I wasn't. I laughed it off. It
was it was funny to me. But again, like I said,
I had women, I had class, I had like colleges

(32:27):
calling me, and they were doing discussions. You could have
turned that into a huge story if you had wanted to.
Absolutely I think I could have. I mean I could
have at least made a big deal about it, and
I didn't because it was it was just a moment
and it wasn't a big deal to me, and and
they were a nice leather pianos. So also, the way
that ends is then I don't even remember who the

(32:48):
coach was, but the story then becomes, oh, Shannon Spake
is upset, right, and that turned it into a huge story.
And then the coaches then on the position of having
to apologize, right, and in that prolongs the story. But
the end result is what right? Like I don't feel
like a lot of times we get to the end
result like our things in some way better or is

(33:12):
everybody just angry? And I feel like a lot of
times the stories that take flight on social media and
on the Internet in general aren't designed to make things better,
They're just designed to make people angry, and at the
end of the day, nothing really changes, right, Like, It's
like the people who think, oh, she overreacted are gonna

(33:33):
think she overreacted, and the people who think that this
guy is an awful sexist pig are gonna think the
guy's an awful sexist pig. And everybody's just gonna be
more angry than they were before. Doesn't it feel like
that happens a lot on the internet, Like some story
goes viral, People line up in their respective camps and
at the end of the day, nothing changes and everybody's
just angrier. Yeah, it's time. It's it's stilling time until

(33:56):
the next thing comes around, until we can all talk
about that. Tell you, I usually most of the time,
right coaches or s I D S or PR people
thank you note after I work with them for the
first time. And this coach, when I wrote him to
thank you note, at the very end, I said, well,
I guess we'll always be connected by the leather pants
and I just had fun with it, and again like
I had to cover him again and he pulled me

(34:17):
aside and apologized to me and said, um, you know
that He didn't mean anything buy it because he knew
we would have to work together. And I wasn't offended
at all. But I made light of the situation. I
made a joke of the situation, and UM, yeah, and
it's funny. It's on the internet. You can watch it.
I think it's it's a funny moment. There's been lots
of those, I think during my career where you feel
like you could be like I could go one way
or I could go another way, and I just choose

(34:38):
to go the way of of least resistance. It's fascinating
because I've argued for a while that the Internet is
just a blame factory. Right, Can you come back with
us for one more segment or what your morning to
bring you back? Uh, we're talking to Shannon's fake I
want to unpack the blame factory idea because I think
you'll hear it if you haven't heard me talk about
it before. I mentioned it a few times on the show.
The entire Internet is just a blame factory. That's what

(35:01):
it exists for. I'm gonna explain sports and otherwise. When
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(35:22):
We've been talking about a lot of different things, but
in particular the NFL playoffs and the ridiculousness of Kevin
Stefanski not being able to coach uh and also Kristen
Saban I think was her name right up forgetting what
Nick Saban's daughter's name is. Kristen Saban coming off the
top rope and arguing that Ohio State there's drama now

(35:45):
about potentially whether they might have to move the game,
the national title game off of Monday the eleven to
Monday the eighteen, and Kristen Saban came out and said, hey,
this isn't about COVID issues at Ohio State as has
been reported. This is about justin Fields needing to get
more healthy than She deleted the tweet. It got a

(36:05):
lot of attention. The poll question that is up for
you guys as we roll through the Wednesday edition of
the program is pretty straightforward. It is should the NFL
allow Brown's coach Kevin Stefanski to coach remotely for the
playoff game. Thousand of you have voted so far in
the first hour, and percent of you have said yes. Now,

(36:30):
I was thinking more about this. Have you guys seen
I'm sure you have in l A because I think
a lot of people built them out the dining bubbles
that have been built to allow people to do outdoor seating.
And I think they have them in like New York
as well, where they're kind of see through and they
can allow a table to be there. And it doesn't

(36:52):
really make much sense because you would think that inside
of there, like there would still be COVID issues if
somebody left, But couldn't they And this is a crazy question,
and it might sound ridiculous on its face initially, but
I think it might be one of my ideas that actually,
the more you think about it, it's genius. All right,

(37:13):
follow me along here. What is the distance from Cleveland
to Pittsburgh. It's only like four hours, right, Is it
even that long? Somebody look up how long it takes
to drive from Cleveland to Pittsburgh. Kevin Stefanski can get
in his car, he can drive to the stadium in

(37:33):
Pittsburgh on the day of the game, isn't this a
night game? What time is this game between Pittsburgh and
UH and the Regardless of what time the game is,
I'm looking it up. It's a two hour eight minute drive.
Two hour drive. That's nothing, alright, So it's a two
hour drive. Probably with COVID going on right now, it's

(37:55):
an even shorter drive than normal because there's less people
on the road. All right, it's a two hour drive.
Let me go check and see exactly what time these
guys are playing on UH. Let's see they are playing
in the night game, kicking off at eight fift in
Pittsburgh on Sunday night. He could drive up easily on Sunday.

(38:21):
He could park literally in the stadium. They could have
a place reserved for him. They could then have a
bubble on the sideline with his headset and a stool
already inside of it, and he could just walk right
in when nobody else is on the sideline, get inside

(38:43):
of his bubble, and call the game from the sideline
the same way he ordinarily would, except he is encased
in a bubble. As soon as the game is over,
they allow him to basically un zip himself, walk out,
get into his car. They have a police escort set

(39:05):
up whenever he decides to leave after they've already filtered
out of the stadium, and then he just drives home
and they immediately just trashed the bubble that he was
in and the stool that he was sitting on for
the entirety of the game. Tell me why that wouldn't work.
Some people out there are gonna be like, this is idiocy.

(39:26):
I think this is genius. It seems like a solution
that would work really really well. What say you, Danny
g As this genius or idiocy? Uh My mom used
to tell me about this movie she liked when she
was younger, called The Boy in the Plastic Bubble. Well,
Seinfeld bubble Boy. People are going to remember, and that's

(39:46):
an old Travolta movie. I think I've never seen it,
but I looked up the trailer right now. Pretty funny
and it sounds outrageous at first. But remember you're the
first national radio host who talked about maybe doing an
nb A bubble. Everybody ridiculous. Petro's thought you were nuts,
thought it was the dumbest idea ever the idea, and
then NHL did it too. I said, you could take over.

(40:09):
I Basically, I said the idea of the bubble back
in March, like before anybody was even understanding anything. I
came on and I said, hey, I got this idea,
and I think you could play the season this way.
And everybody immediately said, this is crazy, what are you thinking?
And then of course it ends up happening for the
NHL and for the NBA. And I've seen one of

(40:30):
the restaurants here that have those bubbles that fit too. Yeah,
and it looks ridiculous, but the optics on this would
be amazing. Just oh my god, can you imagine. I mean,
think about how everybody reacted when Andy Reeve came out
for that opening Thursday game he had the fogged up
visor and everybody thought it was so funny. And then

(40:54):
you know, they like the question was whether he was
going to be able to still see by the end
of the end of the game. Uh, but we have
one waiter like serving Stefanski while he's hitting the bubble.
I really think this one could work. I mean, I
think they would just throw away everything that he used.
He can drive himself. It's a two hour drive. It's
not like he's got to go all the way across

(41:14):
the country two hours? Are you kidding me? It takes
me two hours to drive to Malibu from here in
the San Fernando Valley. That's amazing. Yeah, I knew it
wasn't very far. I didn't know exactly. I've never made
that drive, but so that's a relatively close rivalry. Dub,
What do you think about this idea? Well, speaking of
driving yourself, where's the Booger Mobile? Oh, bubble wrap the

(41:38):
Booger mobile and he can row him all over the sideline.
He can just drive a better view than he usually
would like. The popemobile too, doesn't the pope have the
bubble I haven't seen that one, but I don't haven't
seen the pope when he rides around like he's got
his own, like little popemobile they call it. That's interesting.
That's not confined, though, I think they'd be scared of
that mobile? Is not completely start encircling him? Right, No,

(42:02):
it's not. It's like just to keep people from throwing
things at him. Basically, could they'd be scared of a
COVID leak? I think though? Was the booker Moobile designed
to avoid people throwing things at him? I'm not sure?
I mean, why don't want people that wanted to throw
things at Booger where the people watching the television, not
necessarily the people on the field. But I'm saying, why
else would that have been designed? It had to be

(42:23):
to keep people from like throwing beer at him and stuff. Right,
it's possible. I'm really, I mean, I'm just like, why else,
and I'm thinking about it now, why else would that?
I mean, you know, for people who don't remember like
he was, you know, just kind of up there with
the uh with the camera that they move along the
track depending on where the ball is. And evidently, by

(42:44):
the way, the poor design of that was that he
would block a lot of people behind him who were
otherwise trying to watch the game. If you were on
the same seat level or whatever, then the Booker mobile
could end up blocking you, But the Booker moobile would
have to completely in ca him, which is why I mean,
if you have you guys seen you understand what I'm
talking about. The outdoor dining, Like they have bubbles that

(43:05):
they've designed to allow people to sit outside. I looked
up an article right now, it's jest, asking if they
were going to auction off Booger Mobile since uh it
was retired, and you're right, it says ESPN executives realized
that having the Booger Mobile did not work. It was
distracting and even blocked the view of high paying in

(43:27):
stadium spectators. Yeah. You know, sometimes I question the intelligence
of some of these executives because that's a pretty self
evident thing that most people could have immediately recognized. I'll
give you another one. This has been firing me up.
Did you watch the college football playoff games on Friday.
They have a little yellowish golden ticker in the corner

(43:51):
of the right corner of the screen where they say
like first and ten second whatever. It looks exactly like
a notation in that there has been a flag. Yeah.
I noticed that. So every single play I would look
up at the screen after the play in because kind
of as a fan, when you see a big play,

(44:12):
one of the first things I sort of intuitively think is, oh,
was there a flag. It's kind of like how YouTube
was a sponsor in the MLB playoffs a couple of
seasons ago, and the big play button was in the background. Yeah,
as you look at the screen, it looked like you
were supposed to press play. It was so distracting your right,
the executives do not think it through, But I'm thinking

(44:35):
through my bubble idea. What do you I was distracted
with the nacho fries during the Roberto told me there
were so many Taco Bell commercials during the playoff games
that he lazily ordered door Dash to get the fries
to come to his house. That's great, I mean I
affected in those commercials, right, Yeah, how they make it

(44:57):
seem like it's a movie trailer live MOSQ predictions. Yeah,
well that's the exact reason. I mean, that's the the
ideal universe of of advertising, to have somebody take immediate
action like that. Eddie, you're an awful Steelers fan who
believes that they should not have a head coach this weekend. Um,
but even you must think, even you must think that

(45:18):
my bubble idea is genius. Right, So you're saying this
is he's on the sidelines, not in a press box.
Is that right? Yeah? Because I think if they put
him in a press box, it's enclosed, and then they'd
have to bring in like they would overdo it, right,
They'd have to bring in a hazmat team to to
to take down everything. The other option is you could
just put him in a hazmat costume, which is actually
really funny too to think about him coaching on the

(45:39):
sideline and a full hazmat costume. Um, and you know
it would really just kind of take the COVID obsession
to the next level of ridicule. But yeah, like a
bubble on the sideline, you know that that he is
sitting inside of on like a stool. Uh, he potentially
could should stand there. I mean the day jere I

(46:00):
guess is I guess the danger would be that the
bubble could be punctured in that, like if you know,
somebody ran into it. That's what I'm saying. I want
him to be in a giant ball and so he
can run around in he can avoid contact. In case
I would, it would be amazing, It would be truly

(46:21):
amazing if somebody ran into him in the bubble and
ball would happened, like with the with the player who
ran into the bubble have to quarantine. And you know,
there would be people, because the Internet is a big
blame factory, that would say, oh, this was so self

(46:41):
evident that this was gonna happen. Now everybody's gonna die
of COVID. You know, even though nobody who's tested positive
in the NFL or any sport for that matter, has
had any sort of negative consequences at all, the fancies
a relatively young guy. I'm all for it now that
I've got this visual in my there's really funny too.
But here's the question, Like, pretend that you are the

(47:04):
Brown's owner who makes a decision like this for the NFL,
Like does it go I don't know, does it go
to Roger Goodell's desk? Is their protocol in place for
COVID related decision making? Is there any pressive because it's

(47:26):
not like they've had like it's not like they have
existing rules. They've had to come up with their new
protocols for COVID this year. So when you come up
with a potential alteration to the existing rules, like let's
say the brown go the Browns go to him and
they say, hey, we've got this great idea. We want
to put him in a bubble, will destroy everything that

(47:46):
he touches, basically lighted on fire. As soon as he leaves,
he can drive himself to and from the stadium. He'll
get their way before the fans do get inside the stadium.
We'll put him inside the bubble three hours before kickoff
and he can have conversations with his coaches and everybody
else there watch warm ups. I just thought of something else.

(48:07):
What what I'm going to the bathroom? Is he gonna
have like a I think you just have to hold
it adult diaper? Adult diaper, that's what the astronauts can.
He squeeze into the doors in the locker room to
give a speech and remember, Oh, I don't think you
could speak it half time. I think they would have
to zoom him in. You know, I think he could, like,
you know, zoom in. I remember when the woman was

(48:31):
in love with the other astronauts, Yes, and she drove
like all the way across the country and the astronaut diapers.
Who could ever forget that story? Come? That wasn't crazy?
I mean that was like a decade ago. Wasn't ever
so longer than that? They actually made a movie out
of that. They made a movie about that. But I mean,
so he could wear the astronaut diapers and we would't
have to tell everybody. Or he could make it an

(48:52):
advertising opportunity for depends he sponsored. That's even better idea.
NFL is trying to reach that community, make it okay
to know that you can be your pants. I just
better and better by the moment. I just think it's
a gold mine for the NFL that, you know, honestly,
his his bubble could be sponsored. Could probably get an

(49:12):
ad on that thing at least one. Yeah, but in all,
in all seriousness, let's pretend that you are Jimmy Haslum,
the owner of the Cleveland Browns, and you are listening
to my show right now, and you're like, well, this
is a really intriguing idea. How would they present it

(49:33):
to the NFL? Like who would make the call on
Kevin Stefanski being able to coach inside of a bubble?
And are you telling me that this wouldn't be tremendous television?
A coach on the sideline and the bubble. Again, just
think about how much fun people had with Andy Reid
and his uh and his you know like visor that

(49:54):
was getting all fogged up. A coach inside of a bubble,
the clear Eveland Brown's coach, the Cleveland Browns who haven't
been in the playoffs in eighteen years. No less, it
would be riveting, it would be musty television. I'm just
telling you I think I think it would be a
potential solution for dub. You're suggesting the hasmat and brown

(50:16):
Brown's colors, which is that also really really funny? Yeah?
Why not? I mean, Stefanski could basically look like the
Mandalorian out there, maybe could be kind of badass. I
don't know how they would respond if he said he
was going to coach in a hasmatic cost him either
more badass would be an astronaut suit astronauts spotsors. I

(50:38):
don't know. I mean, why could he not do that?
I mean, I'm not, again an expert on this, but
if he just if he put on the hazmat suit,
drove himself to the stadium, put on the hazmat suit,
and walked into the stadium, and then they were like, hey,
we're gonna destroy the headset ever headset he uses, you know,

(51:01):
because that would obviously have be exposed over those hours
that he would use it. And then as soon as
he's done, we're gonna like, you know, destroy bio hazard
the headset. And then he's gonna just you know, as
soon as they clear out the stadium, or he's gonna
have his own you know, like exit tunnel and they're
gonna set him up to just be able to drive

(51:22):
out of the stadium. Why couldn't he coach in a
hazmat costume, has Matt outfit. I mean, you show up
at like chemical spills in the Hasmack costume because your
life is on the line if the hazmat costume is punctured.
So it seems to me like this would be Actually

(51:43):
the bubble or the hazmat costume would both be eminently
reasonable possibilities. I honestly can't believe Nick Saban didn't didn't
explore this idea. Can you imagine Stefanski on the sideline
and the hazmat costume and Brown's colors. I mean, it's
must see television, even for people who aren't NFL fans.

(52:04):
That would be compelling and hard to look away from.
And they would basically have a camera on him the
entire the entire game. I think it's genius. Eddie. I
just realized that we didn't get an update from you
in uh in the second hour of the show. Yes,
that's true. Yeah, do you want to give us an
update now you're trying to do a bonus one to

(52:27):
make I'm just thinking because we got a guest coming
in Joe Kinzie, who writes an out kick right now,
and I'm afraid that I might forget the third hour too.
So while i'm while it's top of mind, do you
want to go ahead and do one now or do
you like to do when we come back. I serve
at the pleasure of the host. Whatever you want to do.
What's what time is it? Let me check my phone,
uh ninety after. But you might throw off some of
the affiliates who have live board operations. First of all,

(52:49):
board operators are not working very hard. Attention all board operators.
Every time we're subtly off on the clock. You would
think that like a bomb went off when they're unable
to like, yes, that's what it sounds like. They're unable
to actually all things they got you timed out so
they know when to go smoke outside and go to
the bathroom. Yeah, yeah, no kidding, all right, So when

(53:11):
we come back, we will do the update, and we'll
also talk to Joe Kinzie from OutKick, as he's very good,
very talented, funny. Be sure to catch live editions of
OutKick the Coverage with Clay Travis week days at six
am Eastern, three AM Pacific. We bring in now Joe Kinzie,
who is one of our writers at OutKick. He's been

(53:34):
on a role with a lot of different wacky stories.
He also is an Ohio State fan. Does it feel
like Kristen Saban accusing Ohio State of trying to dodge
Alabama for a week because they want to get Justin
Fields healthy is the perfect COVID story to finish off
the college football season, Clay, that couldn't be. First of all,

(53:56):
thanks for finally having me on. It's been like long
six months you had me on. Yeah, but that was
a good move if I made to employ you for
six months and not invite you on the radio show. Yeah, exactly,
perfect timing when it's slow. By the way, Christen Saban,
thank you Christen Saban for firing off such a perfect
tweet accusing Ohio State of dodging Alabama. You know this

(54:19):
is exactly what Ohio State fans needed. They needed another
Dabo Sweeney to fire them up, get them focused on
this game. And Kristen Saban is now target number one
this week. So do you in all honesty, who do
you think called Kristen Saban? Like? Do you think that
her dad did. Do you think it was her mom?

(54:41):
How do you think this process went down? I have
to believe that mom is talking to her right like,
you know, how's the baby, How's how's the grandchild? Oh?
By the way, have you heard about Ohio State ducking Alabama?
You know, I figure it's one of those family stories.
And then Chris, the first thing she thinks of is
I'll tweet it out. I'll just crush them. You know,

(55:04):
she has the history of fighting a sorority sister, like
your best friend. She just wants to fight and she
you know this, Ohio States now her target and it's
perfect for the national title game. We needed this. This
is exactly the juice that we needed to just drive
us right into this game. All right, So I know,
I believe you're in Toledo, Is that right? Yeah, so

(55:27):
you're not that far away. In the grand scheme of
things from Cleveland, the Browns finally make the playoffs after
eighteen years, and now they have a COVID outbreak and
their head coach is not going to be able to coach.
I've been floating the idea of allowing him to coach
on the sideline, and it has Matt suit one of
those bubbles that they put outdoor for indoor dining. How

(55:50):
would you assess that idea? And who do you think
would make the call at the NFL if they actually
floated it? Well, think about how perfect it would be
to have one of these bubbles, these restaurant bubble that's
getting on the sideline and he's just in it with
a headset on what's that? That's what I'm saying. I mean,
I I honestly don't know how the NFL would say

(56:11):
no to that. If he drove to the stadium and
then walked, you know, in before everybody else, socially distanced
and stayed in his bubble the whole game. I don't
know how they would say no. The Microsoft coaching bubble
and he's just right there at the fifty yard line
and he yes, you know, it doesn't move, no, listen.
I mean, I think the NFL should be looking at

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this like bring the coach in, isolate him and letting coach.
This is the craziness that we deserve to finish out
this year. Let's get this, Let's let's go crazy here.
We're talking to Joe Kinzy. All right, there's a bunch
of other stories I want to hit you with and
you can go read Joe at out kick dot com.
What do you think about the Bills fans petitioning to

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keep Andrew Cuomo out of the stadium? And uh, and
how do you anticipate that going? So? I all right,
we know Andy, he's going to go to the game.
He says he's gonna he's gonna get this test. You
want to think Actually, this was the question we talked
about earlier on the show. Do you think he could
pass like basic Bills trivia or do you think he's

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a typical politician trying to appeal to sports fans while
pretending to be a sports fan and he doesn't actually
have much Bills knowledge. Typically, he's failing that test. Typical
Bills are typical politician trying to jump on a bandwagon.
Hey look, Western New York's in the playoffs first time

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and what thirty years or whatever it is. And I'm um,
you know COVID, I'll get the COVID test. I'll be there.
I'll support this team. Listen, he's failing. The Bills fans
know it. They can't stand the guy, and they're you know,
they're calling him out with this guy. I don't even
know how many people have now. Let's see, it's over

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the thirty seven thousand people have now signed this petition
to band in him from Bill's Stadium. He's taking up
a ticket from somebody that would want to be in
the in the stadium. He doesn't really want to be there.
Let's be honest. No, I I think it's entirely for show,
and I support Bills fans trying to keep him from
going in there as well. Okay, you've been covering a

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big comeback of late and I gotta say I'm enjoying it.
Selva Hiak has suddenly emerged from oblivion on the internet
and she is basically everywhere on Instagram. What do you
attribute this return to prominence for and how does it
compare to Jordan's making the decision to come back back
in the day, Clay I had no idea Samahayak was

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fifty four years old. I feel like twenty years of
life have just flown by and all of a sudden,
she's fifty four years old. And by the way, I
don't know what workout regimen she's on, what diet, I
don't know what her dna is, But I'm telling you
she could sell it sell at all. Uh looking amazing
using at fifty four. Uh, I don't, I don't know what.

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I don't know what this is. I think that she
has been working out a little bit. Listen. Early in
two thousand she was, you know, not doing a lot
of bikini photos. But now Clay, she's back. She must
have some movie coming out. I have no idea what's
going on, But all of a sudden she is straight
fire firing missiles that Instagram and people are definitely taking

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notice she's back. It's uh, it is. It is Jordan returning.
It's it's every mainten big athlete coming back out of
the woodwork Selmaha officially back. Where does uh Selma hayaks dancing?
I think it was in from Dust Till Dawn, the
Vampire movie with George Clooney where she has like the snake.

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Do you remember what I'm talking about, the scene where
she's dancing on this What year was that? Was that
like something like that earlier? It might have been a
little earlier, Clay. I. I looked up her street there.
Do you remember Wild Wild West? Vaguely? She had she
had a part in that it was popular, and so
the Wild World West was with Will Smith, Right, But

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I feel like the scene that made her famous was
coming out with the snake X, so that obviously was
a very long time ago. She's fifty four now, you said,
do you do you? Does everybody on the show who's
familiar with that scene agree with me that that's what
made her famous? Like that scene. Everybody who knows like

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that scene. And so she's basically been famous for twenty
four years since then. Right, But she was already thirty
when that scene happened, So that's kind of wild to
think about. Two. I wouldn't have known she was fifty
four years old. I wouldn't have necessarily believed it. But yeah,
that scene. You probably could do a story about that

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scene and tie it in with your selmahiame backstory, and
I think it would probably do well on the site. Yeah,
I'm watching it right now. We'll get that up today.
What we're talking to, Joe Kinzie, what story that you
have done or stories that you have done at out
kick since you started? You get the data on how
many people click on stories? Do you get that? Right? Yeah? Okay,

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what story have you done that you're like, I can't
believe this was popular. Well, Dak Prescott's house, Yeah, because
he has the football he has the football field in
the backyard, right, I clicked on that. Yeah, he had
the football field installed in during COVID. That's where they
were working out. The Cowboys worked out in his backyard

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and Cowboys fans, you know, insane amount of traffic out
of Cowboys fans. They wanted to see what Dack's backyard
looks like. Now every guy out there wants to be like, hey,
I've got a yard like Dak. You don't. So what
story did you do that you thought? Okay, so Dack's backyard,

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the football field, and Dack's backyard. Guys are clicking on
it like crazy. I'm not even kidding. I'm like a
million people read that story on out kick about dacks
backyard having a football field? Uh, what story did you
do that you thought was gonna kill? And nobody read
like do you remember having one? Or you're like this
is this is like phenomenal, and like nobody cared. Well,

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you've done the internet a long time, you understand where
you're like, oh my god, I got this story. It's
gonna be so good, it's gonna go nuts. No, honestly,
it's usually it's usually women. It's stories about women. Now, guys,
you know, like they're just set up with like Instagram models.
I gotta be honest, they don't do as well as
what they used to. Used to you put up a

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pretty girl and guys click on it like crazy. Now
Instagram so popular that girls aren't as popular on the
Internet as they used to be. Guys are just burnt
out on that. They're just like they're burnt out on women.
That's interesting now you say that, But I saw the
sight traffic on Paulina Gretzky, and when she came back,
people are not tired of Paulina Gretzky. No, she's the anomaly.

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She's the one that you you you go to Paulina
and it's it's haywire. It's absolutely well. I think it's
just that level of you know, Wayne gretz daughter, Dustin
Johnson's baby mama, you know that kind of you add
all that up and guys are like, what is she
up to? I need to know what she's up to?
But the random there, the guys just aren't you know,

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they're they're used to this by now, it's like, you know,
they're just they're they're burnt out. Really every no I
was gonna catch up, But every morning you put together
a kind of get your day started collection, and it's like,
it's a few Instagram girls, it's some funny sports memes,
it's everything else. How do you choose who you put

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in there? Given the fact that Instagram basically is just
one large collection of good looking women, now, it's almost impossible. Like,
I mean, I'll let me ask you this question. If
Instagram said tomorrow there are no longer bikini or revealing
photos allowed, what percentage of Instagram traffic would disappear? Uh,

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probably somewhere in the range of I would think, because
I I don't spend much time on Instagram, but when
I do like pop in there occasionally, I am blown
away by I mean, it's basically just softcore porn at
this time, now, right, I mean that that's really what
it is. It is. But here, Clay, here's the thing.
A lot of people ask me about morning screen caps

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and how it's compiled. Listen, I need like a hook.
I need I need to keep you guys something other
than oh, look, here's another hot girl, right, I need, uh,
I need. I need somebody hitting golf balls. I need
somebody wearing team gear. I've said for years, Clay, like
ten years, I've said, these models, put yourself in a
team jersey right now. You're you're Nago Nuts, if you're

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if you're a fan of the Cold, I don't I
don't care. If you're Expan of the Colts. If you're
a model in Los Angeles, get a Colts jersey, put
it on. You'll be a hero in Indiana any of
these teams. Put a jersey on and you'll get You'll
you'll become a hero to these guys. So that that's
what I need. I need a hook. I need. I
need something that this woman is can be known for. Uh.

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And then that's where I go with it. That's how
I compile it. And so you can go check this
out every single day at fan duel dot com and
you will be well on your way FanDuel dot com,
at out kick dot com. You can also go get
your gambling bets in at fan duel dot com. Joe,
we need to get this weekly set up. So let's
do this. We'll pick a time. It's been six months.

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You haven't been on the radio show. I love it.
I love it, Clay. You're up early in the morning
to all right, we're gonna set it up. It's Joe Kenzie.
What's your Twitter handle? If people want to follow, It's
just Joe Kenzie, right, Joe Kinzie e XP, Joe Kinzie Experience,
just like Joe Rogan. Just just a dumb midwestern Ohio guy.
There you go, Ohio State fan Jockenzie at Joeckenzie e XP.

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