July 26, 2022 • 44 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys have never heard of a clause like the one in Kyler Murray’s $230M extension that forces him to study 4 hours a week. The Bengals are focused on making it work for a young Joe Burrow but will he get a contract comparative to other big deals and Tyreek Hill doubles down on Tua’s accuracy but is it a slight at Patrick Mahomes?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
Fox Radio Fired up inching closer to the NFL season.
How about it? Oh sorry, let me put down my
book for a second. I was just I don't know
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what your agreement was with with Fox Sports Radio. But
but mine, um, Scott and Don actually asked me to
make sure I I solely you know, read and prepared
and and had this independent study, if you will, away
from our normal show, prep for for four hours a weekend,
because yeah, I negotiated for three and a half. But um,
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but again, you know, it's just, you know, I think
that's certain people have those negotiating skills. Um. But I'm
glad you brought that up. Um, let's just get right
into it. Uh So, Kyler Murray the quarterback for the
Arizona Cardinals, and just paid a whole lot of money
and a long term deal as the face of the
franchise and their franchise quarterback in Arizona. Apparently, there is
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a clause in Kyler Murray's deal in which he must
engage in at least four hours of independent studying for
each game with materials provided by the team for that
week's opponent. Is that is that four hours a day
each it's each week, which is not a big ask,
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and it's one of the reasons why I am I
mean this says a lot about a lot. Look, as
a quarterback, there should never need to be something like
this in your contract, like I get it, maybe for
some other position players um or any other player for
that matter, like I get it, But the game it's
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so much more mental at at that you know, in
the NFL, at that level, and even more so for
a quarterback more so than any other position in the
position of leadership that you're in, where you've got so
many guys who are gonna be asking you, you know what,
what's my job? What do I have to do? What
are you saying? Or what's going to happen? It's it's
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hard to imagine that you would have to put a
clause into a contract to get a quarterback to be
able to watch more film and actually do the job
the things that usually come as part of it like that,
I've never seen this before in my life in any contract,
let alone in a quarterbacks contract. I mean it, really,
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it says a lot about a lot of regards to
maybe some of the apprehension of the Cardinals in the
first place to even do a deal. You know, with
Eric Burkhardt and Kyler Murray pushing this agenda from the
get this offseason, maybe it has everything to do with
that because I've never seen, regardless about talent that someone is,
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I've never seen this in a contract or a player
who didn't want to go watch film to make sure
they were prepared and we would rather do anything else.
I've never seen that before four hours in a week. First.
First off, I'm gonna say I would. I've never been
a quarterback, so I don't you know, I want want
to jump down the lane of what it takes to
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be a QB, but I would. I would actually venture
to say it does apply to every player. You should
be studying, whether it is limited to what a defensive
lineman is doing, whether it's limited to what an offensive
lineman is doing, whether you're a linebacker or running back,
or a receiver or defensive back, whatever, you should be
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studying so much that one thing that I was always
taught is if you can study and know your opponent
better than your opponent knows you knows their selves. You
have a tremendous opportunity to not only win the game,
but to win the game and emphatic fashion, to be
able to play the game faster, to be able to
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understand what it is. You know, you read something, you
check the tendency, that's what it is. That's why they're
scouting and their self scouting, and then they're scouting, and
there the process repeats. So it's like if somebody gives you,
if it's an offensive lineman, if they're giving you low hands,
you know, then you have to prepare for what that
game is going to be. If he's if he shoots
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his hands, he carries his hands high. There's all kinds
of different things that you can learn because the game
tells you a story and and a player's DNA as
a player's DNA, I'm sorry, Like I can study a
quarterback and I know if that quarterback is a lookoff
quarterback that actually can go through their progressions and and
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re go back through their progressions. Or if they're a starer,
if they stare down, if they're once they lock onto
what their target is, that's where they're at. And there
are all kinds of different things that players can gain
by studying film. It's interesting because now with technology, I mean,
a clause like this maybe would have never come about
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because technology wouldn't have allowed it. Right, you can't track
how many hours somebody's using on a VHS or on
on a uh even on the locker room deal, you
know that that I used, you know once I was
in the pros or even in the college. You don't
log you can't log the time. But with these these
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these uh you know, with the technology that they have
now and they get their their laptops or or their
their surfaces whatever it is that they're they're issued, you
can actually log in and see how much time guys
are using and spending watching film. So that I would
assume maybe you know, listen, I don't. I don't wanna
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suspect anything or or throw out there that well, Kyler
Murray doesn't study film or anything like that. I would
just suspect now that because technology allows for for the
you know, coaches and staff to monitor what a guy
is is doing with with his film study or even
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his his place study because you can put the plays
on there as well, and it just it knows when
you're logged on so and I do that. I do
that to my guys like, like, Bro, you spent like
three minutes on huddle like that, so you think you're
getting better. You expect the guy that's spending an hour
on huddle to to sit down and lose the job
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to you who's spending three minutes you know at a
time on huddle Like it doesn't work that way. So
it does create a different dynamic, I'll say, in terms
of how you're able to monitor what your guys are
are looking at and what they're doing. Um So I'm
not gonna say it's a total indictment on him, but
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I act about say, I do find it to be
a tad bit odd. I mean, four hours is not
that for a week four hour you can you could
get two hours in a day, it was like per day,
or even if it was like ten hours. Let's say. Okay,
Like now you're talking about because how was this reported? Again,
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it was by Ian Rappaport and the way he reported,
which I'm sure Jonas you can grab the text or tweet.
I mean that that Ian Rappaport put out there. But
we could dive into that for a second. But as
soon as I read it and looked at the clause
and I was like four hours in a week. That
was what was probably most alarming, besides the fact you
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had to have a clause in order to get him
to watch film. It was only four hours. Well, I'm
thinking to myself, hold on a second. If this was
ten hours, then I might buy into what Ian Rappport
was was tweeting like, okay, ten hours or more or
twelve hours or more. Now you're saying okay, aside from
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everything else that's on his play in the facility with
his team, he's watching at least twelve hours of film.
That's not a big ask. You should be watching hours
of film when you go home, Like that's for a quarterback.
That's not a big gass. Four hours Like that might
have been the most alarming part of it was it
was only four hours of hell, how much was he watching?
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Last season? By the way, was the entire career. It
wasn't the irishman on Netflix four hours the idea that
this But here's here's the Ian Rappaport quote, and this
is the tweet that he sent. And then afterwards, I
have a quote from Kyler Murray last December which is
pretty funny now looking back, so Ian Rappaport sent this out.
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Contracts are about give and take. One example from Arizona
Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray's contract, there's an addendum that requires
four hours of independent study per game week. It was
important to the team making commitment at that level, thus
it was important to Kyler Murray. And then he comes
back afterwards because I think this is probably a little
bit of damage control because he realized how bad it
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made Kyler Murray look. And he says, Kyler Murray does
four hours of games studying on zone anyways, and similar
to the team wanting him around for the off season
as the face of the franchise, Arizona wanted a commitment
in writing while going to a certain place money wise,
Thus the clause, dude, if he does, it's we that's
weird number. It's strange, Like the whole thing is strange.
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And then you go back to a quote from last December,
and this was Kyler Murray um in an interview with
The New York Times where he says, quote, I think
I was blessed with the cognitive skills to just go
out there and just see it before it happens. I'm
not one of these guys that's going to sit there
and kill myself watching film. I don't sit there for
twenty four hours and break down this team and that
team and watch every game because in my head I
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see so much. So there it is. Look, Kyler Murray
has been successful at every level of football. I mean
he really has. If you think about it now, he
didn't play it soun in college, only played one full
season as a starter. They did win the Big Twelve,
they did go to the College Football Playoff. He did
win a Heisman. He did become the number one overall pick.
I mean, all those things came from that he has.
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I think he might have been undefeated through high school
when he started think. I mean, he really has had
a ton of success in the NFL is the first
time he really dealt with losses and you know, having
to deal with them. I'm sure injuries too, that impacted
him to that degree where he's missing time. But he's
gotten better and better and better. So I'm not going
to take away from the talent that he is. But
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you're not going to see this clause in Lamar Jackson's contract.
You didn't see this clause in Deshaun Watson's contract you
didn't see You're gonna see this clause in Patrick Mahomes,
Josh Allen's, Aaron Rodgers. You didn't see it any of
them because they didn't need to, like like, That's the
crazy thing to me is they can say whatever they want.
And then when I say they, I'm saying they isn't
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who put this out there. That's because whoever put it
out there, well, it's one of two sides. It's either
his agency, which has been very you know, forthright with
trying to push the agenda narrative of everything, Eric Burkhardt,
which you could you could see why they would say,
let's get ahead of this, let's let's feed this Ian Rappaport,
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let's put it out there, and then once it's out there,
like we can try to, you know, create the narrative
that we want around this. Right. That's one thought. The
other thought is maybe this came out for the Arizona Cardinals.
But the reason why I say that tell me how
from the agency side first though, because that that's to me,
that's damaging to your client. I think it's damaging to
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both sides. I think it makes both regardless, both sides
aren't gonna look great through all this. But that's because
who do you think Ian Rapport, Adam Schefter, Who do
you think they get there all their stuff from the agents? Right?
So that's usually the direct correlation. It's usually them saying
we would rather have us get out in front of
it and have Ian Rappaport craft these messages that are
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the type of messaging we want, instead of someone reading
the contract and seeing this addendum and someone saying what
is this and then creating their own narrative off of that,
as that would use it is did you hold on?
So the other thing is just the Cardinals. And the
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reason why I think it would be interesting if the
Cardinals did it is because maybe there are some apprehensions
in the first place about doing a deal with Kyler
and having to put a close in like this, Now
you understand why, like if this dude's not in the
in the facility watching film doing all the things he
should be doing, yeah, you're gonna have a really hard
time paying him over a hundred million fully guaranteed dollars
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or in a two hundred million dollar contract. And so
I wonder if they try they tried to kind of
craft a narrative that wasn't like disparaging towards calerin anyway,
but was one that also too brought to light issues
that if this doesn't go well, well look what was
in the clause, Look what we made public, Like if
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we can't figure out how to finish strong and the
second half of seasons, look what the reason why he's
not watching? He's not around? You know it's crazy about that?
Is is I would be offended. I would be offended.
You know, you're supposed to watch film, Like I don't
care if you can fill the game and all that others.
You're supposed to watch film. That's what you do. You
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take notes, you watch film, You prepare, You scalt them,
You scalt yourself so that you can get an edge
to to accept that clause means that there is an
idea and understanding that you could have done it better.
That's the only reason why, and in any negotiation I've
ever been a part of anything that was in there.
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I didn't do offseason training at the facility. I was
not around. I went somewhere else and trained. When I
redib my deal, they put the clause in there. If
you're there nine cent of the time, you'll get X
amount of dollars. I was there a hundred percent of
the time after I got that clause and and in
my contract. So like the idea of it, you're putting
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things in there just to put them in there that
was not put there, just to put there. And I
think that's kind of what you're alluding to and what
you're touching on. I can't see how an agency, I guess,
I guess I I understand what you're saying. They're getting
ahead of it because it could come out and they
want to do sub diffuge. I get that, But both sides,
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whether it's the agency or the team, they even put
to put that in there, Like four hours is not
significant enough extra extended amount of time if you're really
truly trying to create a competitive edge or understanding of
what you're doing. So to me, it's a weird number
for one, and for two, it certainly does scream that
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they do not believe that Kyler Murray prepares the way
that NFL quarterback should prepare for games. What if that
was the sticking point the whole time with getting a
deal done. Kyler only wanted three. They wanted five and
they settled on four hours. Like what if that was that?
What that's how this whole deal got that, this whole
thing is so bizarre, and the fact that we even
know about it is weird, But but is right. It's
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it's there for public consumption. Somebody's going to see that.
Somebody's and that's and the first thing you're gonna say,
my god, Tom pell Sarah would easily have dug this
up in the contract. You're gonna you're gonna lose. You're
going to assume he's not He's not a bright player.
That's what you're going to assume. I'm not. I'm not
assuming that because I don't. I don't think um to me,
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like the amount of time you study as a correlation
with how bright you are. I know, brilliant people who
have never really had to study much at all. That's fair.
So it's not. I don't look at it that way.
I just look at the fact that he's he's not
willing to put the time an investment that every other
guy in the league is in order to be successful,
and he's in a pivotal point in his career where
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I think the perception is starting to get there where
people are looking at him like, Okay, you could be
an MVP candidate, he could be a quarterback to wins
the division. He could be a quarterback the wins maybe
you know, the super Bowl one day. But seeing this,
I mean that's that to go like it kind of
changes my opinion on the team this year. I've read this,
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I go, oh, no, maybe they are Maybe they are
a team that's just gonna be around five. That's it.
But that's an investment on and like looking at it,
most people they see that and they say they're forcing
him to put four more hours extra in. That comes
down to most most people who just see it at
face value are going to say he's not smart. Like
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that's that's that is the correlation of of what that
would be without enlightenment of what it really could matter
or mean in the scenario. It's not smart. But that's
that's I mean, it is what it is. Be sure
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So the Cincinnati Bengals are the defending a f C champions.
They lost the Super by the way, I watched that
Super Bowl, Um, like, well, no, how the hell did
they lose that game? They were in such good shape.
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I have no I just I can't figure out how
the hell they lost that game. That's got to be
devastating if you're a Bengals fan. Every Super Bowl they've
lost has been in devastating fashion. To Bummer Man, you
ever think, are you ever grateful Brady that you grew
up a Browns fan and not a Bengals fan? Um?
You ever even know how to answer that? I mean,
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until devastated have had more of a devastating path than
the Bengals, So, I mean was the worst question of
How about the fact that are left? It's not like
Cincinnati's left and once Yeah, but your Browns have gone
on to win a couple of Super Bowls as Ravens,
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So like, I mean, what do you mean aggressive they
went on and want a couple of Super Bowls? Can
we transition to the actual topic instead of just ruining
my childhood? Once a good John, Let's let's do it. Then.
I don't know why lebar wren't me to ask you that.
I mean, Lebard texted me and said, ask Brady this.
So okay, I mean, I guess if this is how
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we're gonna do it. Alright. So Mike Brown, the owner
of the Cincinnati Bengals, they had a luncheon yesterday and
he talked about just some contract situations for the team
coming off that Super Bowl appearance. Here was the Bengals owner.
We want to operate our cap so that we're thinking forward.
We know we have Joe Burrow to figure out at
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some point soon, and we have great wide receivers to
be part of the offense. We want to keep the
that makes it go. Occasionally, it's not going to be perfect.
Someone will have to make way and make rue. We
like Jesse Base we want him to stay and maybe
we'll make a deal with him at the end of
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the season when we can talk to him again under
the league rules. But there are a lot of cows
at the trough, if you will, it's not easy to
get them all fed to the way they want. So
there it is. Uh but you know, um, so there's
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no possible way Joe Burrow ends up anywhere else. Correct, Like,
if you're a Bengal fan, you landed, you hit a
home run with your quarterback, he's coming off the injury.
Um that fact that they're already thinking about long term deal,
this is them recognizing what that let's get it done
sooner rather than later, because it's the price is only
going to go up is significantly based on the past
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couple of contracts handed out. It's not that he's your
number one overall pick, who's everything you hoped you'd be
like that, you're done there, like you don't need to
say anymore if they doesn't need to be any more
conversation about anything else, Like they want to extend them
so they can start a future cap planning, continue to
keep building out around him as they have as they
have the past couple of years, which which is you know,
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different for this team. So I think it's more about
that the struggle is going to be in a family
run organization, that they're not going to have the cash
to give them this huge signing bonus like you see
in some of these other contracts, and the guarantees can
be can be large, but the signing bonuses won't be
Like go back and look through Ben Roethlisberger's you know
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he didn't have huge signing bonuses in his contracts, So
that's gonna be one of the bigger differences is they
just don't have that the cash that they're able to
throw around to reduce the cap implications. You know, they're
going to have to do, you know, longer term deals
that spread out whatever cap you know, hitt and structure
that's going to be if through his base salary over
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X amount years in order to kind of make this
thing work. But um, it's just the right thing to do.
He took to a Super Bowl in his second year,
is only year fully healthy, and he's been everything you
hoped for. Is the number one overall pick. They're going
to have a lot of pressure to get it done,
but I think, I mean, he said it, he wants
to get it done. They'll I mean, Joe Burrow isn't
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leaving outside of some type of crazy I don't know circumstances.
He's not. He's not going anywhere like Carson Palmer. It
would have to be it would have to be like
a wild ass fall off man, super wild fall off
for him, not over the next two years, not to
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end up with a crazy extension like I just I
mean and That might be next year, it might be
it might be two years. I don't know, but I
mean he's not going anywhere. They know what they have
in Joe Burrow there. They'll they'll figure out a way.
Now the question is who who else will be able
to stay? That's of note, um, but I don't I
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wouldn't see them keeping him and not putting players around him,
or keeping players around him if possible, to make sure
that he's able to have the type of success that
he had last season. I think this year is important, though.
I'll tell you that I'm interested to see does Joe
Burrow and does Cincinnati as a team stay where they
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are take a step forward? Or do or or do
we see something different? Keep in mind, Cleveland was was
a feel good story. People were even bold enough to
put them in Super Bowl contention last year, and we
know how that ended, and we know how it ended
for for the quarterback as well, and Baker Mayfield. So
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and I'm not saying that that's that's that's that's an
extreme example, but it's still it's it's a relevant example.
It's tough suvision too. I mean, you would assume that
Baltimore is going to have better injury luctant to last year,
Lamar Jackson bounce back season, Um, depending on what happens
with Deshaun Watson, and you know who knows if this,
if Kenny Picket ends up, you know, being a great
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pick for the Steelers. Um, I think Cincinnati could be
in for a tough one in that division. I mean,
I'm not even totally convinced that they're going to be
a playoff team this year. I mean, just based on
that division, Like say Deshaun Watson get suspended four to
six games, I mean, it's not ideal, but we've talked
about the early portion of that schedule. If you can
get Deshaun Watson back for the remainder of the season,
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that's a team you gotta deal with. Baltimore as a
team you got to deal with, and then all the
rest of the a f C. I just I think
it's gonna be a lot more difficult path. And and
super Bowl hangovers are a real thing, and it's hard
for teams to get back to that point once they've
lost in that Super Bowl, especially in the devastating fashion
in which they did. As was pointed out earlier in
the segment, I don't know if you guys got that
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pointed out earlier in the segment. Um, so do you
how many corps? Let me ask you this, how many
quarterbacks young quarterbacks are you taking right now ahead of
Joe Burrow? Like we're talking quarterbacks that are still on
you know, their their rookie contracts. How many do you
go through that you're starting a team right now that
you would take ahead of Joe Burrow. I don't know
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that I'm taking any There wouldn't be a reason to Herbert.
I mean, Herbert is the only other one you could
throw into consideration. But there wouldn't be a reason to
take Herbert because you're going to get what you're getting
from Burrow. So I think the only difference is you
get a stronger arm, a little bigger player, UM, a
guy who you maybe you have a little less injury
concern about. Um. Herbert's been healthier through his time so
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far in the NFL, even in college for that matter,
as far as how much he played and how little
time he missed. So UM, you know, maybe you look
at it from that perspective, but no, I mean it
would still be Burrow. I think you look at you know,
other players like at Trevor Lawrence was a number one
overall pick. And depending on what type of leap he
could take in your to you know, maybe he starts
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to enter into the conversation and change your mind. Uh,
you know, as far as how you'd review it, But
no one over the borrow in my mind right now,
you don't think they would try and do some sort
of Patrick Mahomes type deal with him, like a ten
year deal to lock him up. What did John got
a six year deal? I think you've got to have
the the agent and the player have to be on
board with that. You know, if you feel like you've
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got your guy. Of course, as a team, you'd want
to do that because it's gonna be the more economical
way of doing it. And it really does help you
with cap planning if you if you can basically take
his ten year contract and say we know he's gonna
be here, we know these are the cap hits, here's
the way we can structure some things. Yeah, that'd be
most advantageous for any organization. I just I don't know
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that there's many players who want to follow suit. I mean,
we will continue to keep seeing contracts being done, and
we we see players who don't follow suit like that
was record setting in one way, because we haven't seen
a contract value that I that long. Kirk Cousins was
one of which he was a three year, fully guaranteed deal.
We didn't see anyone follow suit there. Deshaun Watson five
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year fully guaranteed deal. Haven't seen anyone fall suit. So
it all depends upon what you know, the combination of
the player and the agent are looking for the team,
and if they're all able to come together, which is
really really rare for that circumstance to actually take place,
it's a no. We could go to Burke. Yeah, I
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have another edition of would you rather Uh? And before
we go to break, so we do have an update, Brady,
the WiFi was working a lot faster than normal. Lee
(26:52):
has got some answers on the Klondike lyrics. Um, so
go ahead, Lee, What's what's the Can you just tell
us what's happening? Well, I can tell you or I
could play it for you. Okay, please play. So I
said that it's uh no room for a snitch? Correct,
that is what you said? Okay? Yeah, that boy? I'm
not confident now, all right? So how would damned snitchard?
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I listen, I heard snitch? I mean you were close enough, though.
I mean, I'm gonna give you credit because you got
the big brown part right, the big thick brown part
right of it. You know you nailed that part of it.
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You know, I mean to change, you know, to change
snitch and stick. You know that's a small that's a
small technicality there. Like I hear snitch. I know you
guys are talking about can you play it again? Because
I hear snitch? And yeah, I think this is bes
LaVar's nickname is first? Why would Jonas laughs and turns
into Chris collins Worth. So I don't know what I do? Alright,
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So can we play it one more time? Please? Included
reloded builder? What alright? Why do you start to sound
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like Chris Collinsworth. I don't know. I've never thought about it.
I just I don't know. I don't don't know. Maybe
it's because I didn't. I did the impression so many
times that now it's just kind of can you do
one force real quick? I mean, I gotta tell you, like,
here's the thing. You're listening to that commercial and I'm
just trying to hear is it snitch your stick? And
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then Lamar conn said he's got this you know, big
brown like thing and like you like he mailed that
part like go big round thing that he nailed. What
what that had no room for a snitch or a stick? Yeah?
That's um so. I mean she was happy to talk
about all that chocolate smashed up into a big thick
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no room for a stick, you know what I mean?
One more tip, one more tip before we go to
break red. That that's got to be the funniest joke
loaded big and thick man they had had. And they
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had to have her sound like that, right, They couldn't
have her sound any other ways to sound. Further reviewing it,
a little uh flock on on there with those words.
You know, I never never thought about that, all right,
I didn't either until you started singing the lyrics. That's
shocking that Jonas would do a segment where he wanted
to play the lyrics but never thought about that. Come on,
and I didn't. I didn't read far enough into him,
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started off the show talking about Kyler Murray's contract and
include an independent study clause. Basically, he's got to study
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four hours each week in order to prepare for games
that are of the contract. Yeah, and so does he
does the contract get avoided completely or is it just
the guarantees if he's not studying four hours. I don't
know that I read through the clause. I couldn't tell
based on that. I don't have to see the rest
of it. But well, my my understanding is that if you, yeah,
(31:27):
if you don't hit that particular clause, there's probably something
that's avoided or whether it's a guarantee or a bonus
or an escalation, something that within the contract would be
triggered in that regard. And you guys mentioned that you
can keep track of how long people are studying on
the tablets they're using now with technology, So is there
a way is there a way for him to just
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have it on but not actually be present there so
he doesn't have to study for four hours? I mean,
have somebody blogging in on it and using it so
you can you could log in and hit play and
let it go and it will log your time. I mean,
it doesn't mean that that's what you're doing. So there
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was one interesting note. That's all. Uh, the NFL has
a sponsorship with Microsoft, so they don't use iPads to
use what's called tablets right their surfaces, I believe they're called.
And everywhere in the contract it was specifically noted as
an iPad, which I'm sure this has gotten so much
pub and press. It's just a small detail. But Microsoft
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can't be excited about that, and in fact, like they
could probably they're they're probably missing an opportunity to try
to like leverage this into something more and being able
to like capitalize off of it. But everywhere in the
contract that specifically states iPad as opposed to tablet, which
is like more of a generic term. It's just so
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the whole thing is very strange. Um. I will say
this though, you know, at least Tyree Hill, you know,
at least he's got to his back, you know, like
at least that is somebody who was sticking up for
his quarterback. That's somebody should have came out and said
something about this this clauseban in Kylie, you know, maybe
like you know, just kind of dismissed the whatever. Steve
(33:15):
Kim could you know, figure his way around, is it?
Oh god, this is nothing, this is uh. You know,
no one has spoken nobody, no, nobody said anything. In fact,
we did Larry Fitzgerald's dad who was critical of of
Kyler Murray. I think Larry Fitzgerald's dad, who covers sports,
was critical Kyler Murray. Larry did come out and say
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though he feels like he's as talent as a quarterback
he's ever played with. So yeah, I mean, look with
Kurt Warner, who's a Hall of Famer. So yeah, is
Kurt Warner hall of Famer? Let's ask him. We should
ask Kurt Warner if he's a Hall of Famer. You know,
I'm sure that'll be in another movie. A bit nice
of Kurt to join us here. Um. So, Tyreek Hill
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was on ESPN yesterday and they were asking why, ultimately
why he made the decision to sign with or to
choose to go with the Miami instead of the Jets,
because that was another team that was in the conversation
they were trying to work on a contract, and so
he explained his reasoning choosing the Dolphins over the Jets.
Here was tyry Kell. I said once and I said again,
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you know, Zach Wilson is a dog, But I rather
play with the most accurate quarterback in the NFL too.
He's not your typical guns langer, but you know, like
if you really like just pay attention to his game.
You know, everything get spot on, everything is pinpoint. You know,
ball is on time. You know, his fundamentals are on point.
You know he takes the time to make up in
other areas and be great in those other areas that
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you know other quarterbacks may not be good at. You know.
So that's all I gotta say all that you know
to He's a heck of a competitor, hell of a
hard worker, you know. So, like I said, man, I'm
excited to work, go to work with him. I mean,
that's a team. I didn't realize he was breaking down
to his quarterback fundamentals in order to make this comet
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his bag. Yeah, yeah, of course, I mean just breaking
all that down that that's what went into the decision
when he when he was watching film, he was watching
the quarterback in his mechanics. Um, it's about money. I
mean if it wasn't, if it wasn't all about that,
he would still be in Kansas City, right. Apparently he
never watched Patrick Mahomes mechanics that I don't know. Yeah
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that is true. Was that a shot at Patrick Mahomes?
I mean he did throw more interceptions last year. I
mean was that a shodow on Mahomes? Is accuracy? That's
what it feels like. Well, here's there's there's two things here,
Like it feels like like why is he saying all this?
Like was there a riff with him in Mahomes and
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he just doesn't want to hourdly say it? Or with
the organization he doesn't want to hourly say it because
the one thing that we talked about yesterday was you know,
Mahomes probably left some money on the table in order
to allow other guys to stay and sign. Now, either
the organization I just didn't want to deal with Tyreek
Hill for the expense he was gonna cost, or there's
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something else there because Tyreek Hill decided to leave. And
now Orlando Brown, who wants more money, and I don't
know what the Chiefs are offering him, but he's not
reporting the camp. That's your left tackle, So it's not
working out. I think the way probably Patrick Mahomes and
his agent really were hoped for, or maybe even the
Chiefs had hoped for, but a lot of times, like
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I don't know if that's a product of the Chiefs
organization and then them not paying him, or if it's
a it's a it's a byproduct, or just that individual
player and agent saying yeah, we're not gonna fall that
like we we just used to see with the New
England Patriots and Tom Branding everyone else kind of taking
some discounts in order to keep it all together. It
seems like they're not as focused on that in Kansas City.
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And again, I don't know if that's a a byproduct
of the culture there or just the franchise and their
inability to I mean, it's a smaller market. They're not
gonna be able to pay as much cash as a
lot of these these bigger market teams. If you look
at the Rams, for example, Stan Cronky's flushed with cash.
It's why they've been able to do what they've been
able to do over the course of the last five
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six years. Like you, it's hard to do that and
sustain it. They've been able to because their owner. I
don't know that Kansas City is gonna be able to,
you know, pay as much cash out to players like
they need to keep a lot of stars together. So
I'm not sure what you tribute to. I just know
Zach Wilson is not enough of a factor to be
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a factor. So he's a non factor in this conversation.
And the bottom line is is for him to to
state the detail. He did not have to do that
to justify himself or to over Zack Wilson. So, I mean,
you gotta believe he's he is pinpointing and directing what
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he's saying at Kansas City and and and I almost
feel like he's letting He's trying to let people know
that whatever it is he's got going on in Miami
with Tuah, it's going to give him the results that
he's he's seeking that he's looking for, right, I mean,
but I feel like that's what I feel like, that's
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what he's doing. He is trying to compensate by by
propping up. This is more about overcompensating than it is defending.
He's not defending to h He's trying to compensate for something.
And I think that something is he's compensating for for
why he made the decision when he did to leave
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Kansas city, and there might be a deeper reason why
he's going deeper into the details of what he's saying
about toah And maybe he's pissed because they didn't give
him what he wanted because there was a back and
forth and then when it realized when he and him
and his agent and I think it Drew Rose now
is an agent, and they put the numbers together and
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said this is what we're looking for kidsas that he
was like, well, that's not gonna work for us, and uh,
we'll help you find a trade. And maybe he that
bothers him, like I thought I was more of a priority,
and clearly I wasn't enough of a priority for you
to give me this amount. So maybe there is him
holding a little bit of a grudge there. But I
just at some point this season he's here, there's got
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to be a realization that he's not playing with Patrick Mahomes,
maybe he's not going to be as wide open as
he was at certain times playing with Travis Kelsey and
and maybe and we talked about this last week, and
we're going over each division like Jalen Waddle had a
great year last year, like him, and two I had
something going I just wonder if there's going to be
this aspect where two is going to try and have
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to force the ball to Tyreek Hill because he's gonna
get piste off, he's not getting the ball enough and
he's gonna go back to I defended him, this was
my guy, and he's trying to butter him up here.
It's just I don't see this working as smoothly as
as Tyreek Hill is trying to make it out to be.
But you know why receiver persons interesting, and it's one
in which usually when a guy, when things are good,
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talks as much as Tyreek Hills and I didn't know
a lot of this is born out of a podcast
that he does too. But usually when you hear him
talking this much when things are good, it's only gonna
get worse when things are bad, Like they're only gonna
talk that much more and become whether it's a distraction
or fracture your locker room, or fracture relationships, you know,
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create more um chaos with the media. I mean, all
those things end up happening. When you've got a player
who talks this much in an off season, we're not
I guess training camp, but still we're not to the
season yet. Usually it only gets worse from here, doesn't
It doesn't get better if things don't go well. So
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that's the concern I think I have for two, in
such a pivotal year in his career, to have an
organization bringing a guy that, yeah, he's there to help you,
but how much did they really do to really help him?
I mean, I think the one I think, the one
saving grace will be they're gonna use between Waddle and
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Tyreek Hill with Mike McDaniel there as their head coach
in a variety of ways. Like I really do believe
Tyreek Hill is gonna play that role of like a
Deebo Samuel. Now he's not as big as him, but
he does have a running back background, so I would
not be shocked at all if he doesn't have more
carriers than he's ever had. You know, usually it's those
fly sweeps. But I'm saying like from the backfield, some
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different looks, uh screens, a lot of quick catches like
what you saw with him and Waddle last year. But
it's gonna be like a ball controlled like old school
West Coast offense where it's you know, get the ball
out of two us hand quick and get in these
guys hands. So it shouldn't make it easier to just
get him the football and then the rest is on him.
I just I wonder how many times he's gonna miss
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that the improvised you know, improvising that Mahomes can do
because to a can a little bit. It's just he
doesn't have the arm strength where you can drop back,
you know how for far you want to sling it
all over the field like that's just not to his game,
as I don't know, let's get to the matter at hand.
Here he said he's the most accurate quarterback in the NFL.
There's one guy who can answer this, all right, Brady Quinn.
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Most accurate quarterbacks in the NFL. Who are we talking
about here? Is to on that list? Statistically speaking, you
could make that case. Um I put Rogers up there,
I put Brady up there. Um. Now, those guys will
tend to push the ball down the field more so,
you know, if you want to just look at completion
percentage and that's how you're gonna base your argument, it's
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tough because you know, not not every guy is throwing
for you know that the same you know air yards
per attempt if you want, we want to dive into
the data analytics. There's some guys who are pushing the
ball down the field more. Um, but I would say,
you know, Rogers Brady are up there because it is
actually pretty darn accurate when you break them down. Um,
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he doesn't get enough credit for that, but as a
passer and how his game is built, like he kind
of has to be, but he's lethally accurate. I think
Stafford Sue doesn't get enough credit for how accurate he is.
You know, you don't see him throw many foul balls,
and his ball placements usually pretty impeccable. Um. I would
say like those four off the top of my head.
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I mean you could throw in some other guys in there,
but like those four have been doing it for a while,
and I think there that's where their careers at right now.
All right, So can we run with that on on twitterly?
Can we make that Brady Quinn's mount rushmore of accurate
quarterbacks in the NFL? I mean it's July. We need
we need some publicity here. There's not a lot going on.
We're waiting on to Shaun Watson. Uh So, I mean
if we could get that running on social media. I
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think that could be fire. Thank you for that A shot?
Was that a shot at me? You do know that?
You know we went viral? You know what I mean?
What do you mean I picked up? You know we
got I just don't want a death threats. Yeah, yeah,
we don't because that Drew Brees stuff. Okay, but I
did get death threats off with the Drew Brees stuff.
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You know, was Drew Brees the most accurate quarterback in
the NFL when he was in the league. He was
up there, Yeah, I mean he was. I always say
if he was playing now, like for sure, he would
have been right up there. I mean, I mean statistically
you can even make that case. But again, like he's
he's he That's what he lived on, like timing, accuracy, precision. Yeah, well,
good for Drew. So again, now we apologized any Breeze
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fans out there just wanted to make a mention of him,
don't wanna you know quarterback? Yeah that was Tyreek Hill.
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How about it? Oh sorry, let me put down my
book for a second. I was just I don't know
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what your agreement was with with Fox Sports Radio. But
but mine, um, Scott and Don actually asked me to
make sure I I solely you know, read and prepared
and and had this independent study, if you will, away
from our normal show, prep for for four hours a weekend,
because yeah, I negotiated for three and a half. But um,
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but again, you know, it's just, you know, I think
that's certain people have those negotiating skills. Um. But I'm
glad you brought that up. Um, let's just get right
into it. Uh So, Kyler Murray the quarterback for the
Arizona Cardinals, and just paid a whole lot of money
and a long term deal as the face of the
franchise and their franchise quarterback in Arizona. Apparently, there is
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a clause in Kyler Murray's deal in which he must
engage in at least four hours of independent studying for
each game with materials provided by the team for that
week's opponent. Is that is that four hours a day
each it's each week, which is not a big ask,
(01:28):
and it's one of the reasons why I am I
mean this says a lot about a lot. Look, as
a quarterback, there should never need to be something like
this in your contract, like I get it, maybe for
some other position players um or any other player for
that matter, like I get it, But the game it's
(01:50):
so much more mental at at that you know, in
the NFL, at that level, and even more so for
a quarterback more so than any other position in the
position of leadership that you're in, where you've got so
many guys who are gonna be asking you, you know what,
what's my job? What do I have to do? What
are you saying? Or what's going to happen? It's it's
(02:11):
hard to imagine that you would have to put a
clause into a contract to get a quarterback to be
able to watch more film and actually do the job
the things that usually come as part of it like that,
I've never seen this before in my life in any contract,
let alone in a quarterbacks contract. I mean it, really,
(02:33):
it says a lot about a lot of regards to
maybe some of the apprehension of the Cardinals in the
first place to even do a deal. You know, with
Eric Burkhardt and Kyler Murray pushing this agenda from the
get this offseason, maybe it has everything to do with
that because I've never seen, regardless about talent that someone is,
(02:53):
I've never seen this in a contract or a player
who didn't want to go watch film to make sure
they were prepared and we would rather do anything else.
I've never seen that before four hours in a week. First.
First off, I'm gonna say I would. I've never been
a quarterback, so I don't you know, I want want
to jump down the lane of what it takes to
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be a QB, but I would. I would actually venture
to say it does apply to every player. You should
be studying, whether it is limited to what a defensive
lineman is doing, whether it's limited to what an offensive
lineman is doing, whether you're a linebacker or running back,
or a receiver or defensive back, whatever, you should be
(03:36):
studying so much that one thing that I was always
taught is if you can study and know your opponent
better than your opponent knows you knows their selves. You
have a tremendous opportunity to not only win the game,
but to win the game and emphatic fashion, to be
able to play the game faster, to be able to
(03:58):
understand what it is. You know, you read something, you
check the tendency, that's what it is. That's why they're
scouting and their self scouting, and then they're scouting, and
there the process repeats. So it's like if somebody gives you,
if it's an offensive lineman, if they're giving you low hands,
you know, then you have to prepare for what that
game is going to be. If he's if he shoots
(04:21):
his hands, he carries his hands high. There's all kinds
of different things that you can learn because the game
tells you a story and and a player's DNA as
a player's DNA, I'm sorry, Like I can study a
quarterback and I know if that quarterback is a lookoff
quarterback that actually can go through their progressions and and
(04:42):
re go back through their progressions. Or if they're a starer,
if they stare down, if they're once they lock onto
what their target is, that's where they're at. And there
are all kinds of different things that players can gain
by studying film. It's interesting because now with technology, I mean,
a clause like this maybe would have never come about
(05:05):
because technology wouldn't have allowed it. Right, you can't track
how many hours somebody's using on a VHS or on
on a uh even on the locker room deal, you
know that that I used, you know once I was
in the pros or even in the college. You don't
log you can't log the time. But with these these
(05:25):
these uh you know, with the technology that they have
now and they get their their laptops or or their
their surfaces whatever it is that they're they're issued, you
can actually log in and see how much time guys
are using and spending watching film. So that I would
assume maybe you know, listen, I don't. I don't wanna
(05:48):
suspect anything or or throw out there that well, Kyler
Murray doesn't study film or anything like that. I would
just suspect now that because technology allows for for the
you know, coaches and staff to monitor what a guy
is is doing with with his film study or even
(06:08):
his his place study because you can put the plays
on there as well, and it just it knows when
you're logged on so and I do that. I do
that to my guys like, like, Bro, you spent like
three minutes on huddle like that, so you think you're
getting better. You expect the guy that's spending an hour
on huddle to to sit down and lose the job
(06:30):
to you who's spending three minutes you know at a
time on huddle Like it doesn't work that way. So
it does create a different dynamic, I'll say, in terms
of how you're able to monitor what your guys are
are looking at and what they're doing. Um So I'm
not gonna say it's a total indictment on him, but
(06:50):
I act about say, I do find it to be
a tad bit odd. I mean, four hours is not
that for a week four hour you can you could
get two hours in a day, it was like per day,
or even if it was like ten hours. Let's say. Okay,
Like now you're talking about because how was this reported? Again,
(07:10):
it was by Ian Rappaport and the way he reported,
which I'm sure Jonas you can grab the text or tweet.
I mean that that Ian Rappaport put out there. But
we could dive into that for a second. But as
soon as I read it and looked at the clause
and I was like four hours in a week. That
was what was probably most alarming, besides the fact you
(07:30):
had to have a clause in order to get him
to watch film. It was only four hours. Well, I'm
thinking to myself, hold on a second. If this was
ten hours, then I might buy into what Ian Rappport
was was tweeting like, okay, ten hours or more or
twelve hours or more. Now you're saying okay, aside from
(07:52):
everything else that's on his play in the facility with
his team, he's watching at least twelve hours of film.
That's not a big ask. You should be watching hours
of film when you go home, Like that's for a quarterback.
That's not a big gass. Four hours Like that might
have been the most alarming part of it was it
was only four hours of hell, how much was he watching?
(08:13):
Last season? By the way, was the entire career. It
wasn't the irishman on Netflix four hours the idea that
this But here's here's the Ian Rappaport quote, and this
is the tweet that he sent. And then afterwards, I
have a quote from Kyler Murray last December which is
pretty funny now looking back, so Ian Rappaport sent this out.
(08:34):
Contracts are about give and take. One example from Arizona
Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray's contract, there's an addendum that requires
four hours of independent study per game week. It was
important to the team making commitment at that level, thus
it was important to Kyler Murray. And then he comes
back afterwards because I think this is probably a little
bit of damage control because he realized how bad it
(08:55):
made Kyler Murray look. And he says, Kyler Murray does
four hours of games studying on zone anyways, and similar
to the team wanting him around for the off season
as the face of the franchise, Arizona wanted a commitment
in writing while going to a certain place money wise,
Thus the clause, dude, if he does, it's we that's
weird number. It's strange, Like the whole thing is strange.
(09:16):
And then you go back to a quote from last December,
and this was Kyler Murray um in an interview with
The New York Times where he says, quote, I think
I was blessed with the cognitive skills to just go
out there and just see it before it happens. I'm
not one of these guys that's going to sit there
and kill myself watching film. I don't sit there for
twenty four hours and break down this team and that
team and watch every game because in my head I
(09:38):
see so much. So there it is. Look, Kyler Murray
has been successful at every level of football. I mean
he really has. If you think about it now, he
didn't play it soun in college, only played one full
season as a starter. They did win the Big Twelve,
they did go to the College Football Playoff. He did
win a Heisman. He did become the number one overall pick.
I mean, all those things came from that he has.
(10:00):
I think he might have been undefeated through high school
when he started think. I mean, he really has had
a ton of success in the NFL is the first
time he really dealt with losses and you know, having
to deal with them. I'm sure injuries too, that impacted
him to that degree where he's missing time. But he's
gotten better and better and better. So I'm not going
to take away from the talent that he is. But
(10:22):
you're not going to see this clause in Lamar Jackson's contract.
You didn't see this clause in Deshaun Watson's contract you
didn't see You're gonna see this clause in Patrick Mahomes,
Josh Allen's, Aaron Rodgers. You didn't see it any of
them because they didn't need to, like like, That's the
crazy thing to me is they can say whatever they want.
And then when I say they, I'm saying they isn't
(10:43):
who put this out there. That's because whoever put it
out there, well, it's one of two sides. It's either
his agency, which has been very you know, forthright with
trying to push the agenda narrative of everything, Eric Burkhardt,
which you could you could see why they would say,
let's get ahead of this, let's let's feed this Ian Rappaport,
(11:03):
let's put it out there, and then once it's out there,
like we can try to, you know, create the narrative
that we want around this. Right. That's one thought. The
other thought is maybe this came out for the Arizona Cardinals.
But the reason why I say that tell me how
from the agency side first though, because that that's to me,
that's damaging to your client. I think it's damaging to
(11:25):
both sides. I think it makes both regardless, both sides
aren't gonna look great through all this. But that's because
who do you think Ian Rapport, Adam Schefter, Who do
you think they get there all their stuff from the agents? Right?
So that's usually the direct correlation. It's usually them saying
we would rather have us get out in front of
it and have Ian Rappaport craft these messages that are
(11:48):
the type of messaging we want, instead of someone reading
the contract and seeing this addendum and someone saying what
is this and then creating their own narrative off of that,
as that would use it is did you hold on?
So the other thing is just the Cardinals. And the
(12:08):
reason why I think it would be interesting if the
Cardinals did it is because maybe there are some apprehensions
in the first place about doing a deal with Kyler
and having to put a close in like this, Now
you understand why, like if this dude's not in the
in the facility watching film doing all the things he
should be doing, yeah, you're gonna have a really hard
time paying him over a hundred million fully guaranteed dollars
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or in a two hundred million dollar contract. And so
I wonder if they try they tried to kind of
craft a narrative that wasn't like disparaging towards calerin anyway,
but was one that also too brought to light issues
that if this doesn't go well, well look what was
in the clause, Look what we made public, Like if
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we can't figure out how to finish strong and the
second half of seasons, look what the reason why he's
not watching? He's not around? You know it's crazy about that?
Is is I would be offended. I would be offended.
You know, you're supposed to watch film, Like I don't
care if you can fill the game and all that others.
You're supposed to watch film. That's what you do. You
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take notes, you watch film, You prepare, You scalt them,
You scalt yourself so that you can get an edge
to to accept that clause means that there is an
idea and understanding that you could have done it better.
That's the only reason why, and in any negotiation I've
ever been a part of anything that was in there.
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I didn't do offseason training at the facility. I was
not around. I went somewhere else and trained. When I
redib my deal, they put the clause in there. If
you're there nine cent of the time, you'll get X
amount of dollars. I was there a hundred percent of
the time after I got that clause and and in
my contract. So like the idea of it, you're putting
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things in there just to put them in there that
was not put there, just to put there. And I
think that's kind of what you're alluding to and what
you're touching on. I can't see how an agency, I guess,
I guess I I understand what you're saying. They're getting
ahead of it because it could come out and they
want to do sub diffuge. I get that, But both sides,
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whether it's the agency or the team, they even put
to put that in there, Like four hours is not
significant enough extra extended amount of time if you're really
truly trying to create a competitive edge or understanding of
what you're doing. So to me, it's a weird number
for one, and for two, it certainly does scream that
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they do not believe that Kyler Murray prepares the way
that NFL quarterback should prepare for games. What if that
was the sticking point the whole time with getting a
deal done. Kyler only wanted three. They wanted five and
they settled on four hours. Like what if that was that?
What that's how this whole deal got that, this whole
thing is so bizarre, and the fact that we even
know about it is weird, But but is right. It's
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it's there for public consumption. Somebody's going to see that.
Somebody's and that's and the first thing you're gonna say,
my god, Tom pell Sarah would easily have dug this
up in the contract. You're gonna you're gonna lose. You're
going to assume he's not He's not a bright player.
That's what you're going to assume. I'm not. I'm not
assuming that because I don't. I don't think um to me,
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like the amount of time you study as a correlation
with how bright you are. I know, brilliant people who
have never really had to study much at all. That's fair.
So it's not. I don't look at it that way.
I just look at the fact that he's he's not
willing to put the time an investment that every other
guy in the league is in order to be successful,
and he's in a pivotal point in his career where
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I think the perception is starting to get there where
people are looking at him like, Okay, you could be
an MVP candidate, he could be a quarterback to wins
the division. He could be a quarterback the wins maybe
you know, the super Bowl one day. But seeing this,
I mean that's that to go like it kind of
changes my opinion on the team this year. I've read this,
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I go, oh, no, maybe they are Maybe they are
a team that's just gonna be around five. That's it.
But that's an investment on and like looking at it,
most people they see that and they say they're forcing
him to put four more hours extra in. That comes
down to most most people who just see it at
face value are going to say he's not smart. Like
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that's that's that is the correlation of of what that
would be without enlightenment of what it really could matter
or mean in the scenario. It's not smart. But that's
that's I mean, it is what it is. Be sure
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So the Cincinnati Bengals are the defending a f C champions.
They lost the Super by the way, I watched that
Super Bowl, Um, like, well, no, how the hell did
they lose that game? They were in such good shape.
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I have no I just I can't figure out how
the hell they lost that game. That's got to be
devastating if you're a Bengals fan. Every Super Bowl they've
lost has been in devastating fashion. To Bummer Man, you
ever think, are you ever grateful Brady that you grew
up a Browns fan and not a Bengals fan? Um?
You ever even know how to answer that? I mean,
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until devastated have had more of a devastating path than
the Bengals, So, I mean was the worst question of
How about the fact that are left? It's not like
Cincinnati's left and once Yeah, but your Browns have gone
on to win a couple of Super Bowls as Ravens,
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So like, I mean, what do you mean aggressive they
went on and want a couple of Super Bowls? Can
we transition to the actual topic instead of just ruining
my childhood? Once a good John, Let's let's do it. Then.
I don't know why lebar wren't me to ask you that.
I mean, Lebard texted me and said, ask Brady this.
So okay, I mean, I guess if this is how
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we're gonna do it. Alright. So Mike Brown, the owner
of the Cincinnati Bengals, they had a luncheon yesterday and
he talked about just some contract situations for the team
coming off that Super Bowl appearance. Here was the Bengals owner.
We want to operate our cap so that we're thinking forward.
We know we have Joe Burrow to figure out at
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some point soon, and we have great wide receivers to
be part of the offense. We want to keep the
that makes it go. Occasionally, it's not going to be perfect.
Someone will have to make way and make rue. We
like Jesse Base we want him to stay and maybe
we'll make a deal with him at the end of
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the season when we can talk to him again under
the league rules. But there are a lot of cows
at the trough, if you will, it's not easy to
get them all fed to the way they want. So
there it is. Uh but you know, um, so there's
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no possible way Joe Burrow ends up anywhere else. Correct, Like,
if you're a Bengal fan, you landed, you hit a
home run with your quarterback, he's coming off the injury.
Um that fact that they're already thinking about long term deal,
this is them recognizing what that let's get it done
sooner rather than later, because it's the price is only
going to go up is significantly based on the past
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couple of contracts handed out. It's not that he's your
number one overall pick, who's everything you hoped you'd be
like that, you're done there, like you don't need to
say anymore if they doesn't need to be any more
conversation about anything else, Like they want to extend them
so they can start a future cap planning, continue to
keep building out around him as they have as they
have the past couple of years, which which is you know,
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different for this team. So I think it's more about
that the struggle is going to be in a family
run organization, that they're not going to have the cash
to give them this huge signing bonus like you see
in some of these other contracts, and the guarantees can
be can be large, but the signing bonuses won't be
Like go back and look through Ben Roethlisberger's you know
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he didn't have huge signing bonuses in his contracts, So
that's gonna be one of the bigger differences is they
just don't have that the cash that they're able to
throw around to reduce the cap implications. You know, they're
going to have to do, you know, longer term deals
that spread out whatever cap you know, hitt and structure
that's going to be if through his base salary over
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X amount years in order to kind of make this
thing work. But um, it's just the right thing to do.
He took to a Super Bowl in his second year,
is only year fully healthy, and he's been everything you
hoped for. Is the number one overall pick. They're going
to have a lot of pressure to get it done,
but I think, I mean, he said it, he wants
to get it done. They'll I mean, Joe Burrow isn't
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leaving outside of some type of crazy I don't know circumstances.
He's not. He's not going anywhere like Carson Palmer. It
would have to be it would have to be like
a wild ass fall off man, super wild fall off
for him, not over the next two years, not to
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end up with a crazy extension like I just I
mean and That might be next year, it might be
it might be two years. I don't know, but I
mean he's not going anywhere. They know what they have
in Joe Burrow there. They'll they'll figure out a way.
Now the question is who who else will be able
to stay? That's of note, um, but I don't I
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wouldn't see them keeping him and not putting players around him,
or keeping players around him if possible, to make sure
that he's able to have the type of success that
he had last season. I think this year is important, though.
I'll tell you that I'm interested to see does Joe
Burrow and does Cincinnati as a team stay where they
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are take a step forward? Or do or or do
we see something different? Keep in mind, Cleveland was was
a feel good story. People were even bold enough to
put them in Super Bowl contention last year, and we
know how that ended, and we know how it ended
for for the quarterback as well, and Baker Mayfield. So
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and I'm not saying that that's that's that's that's an
extreme example, but it's still it's it's a relevant example.
It's tough suvision too. I mean, you would assume that
Baltimore is going to have better injury luctant to last year,
Lamar Jackson bounce back season, Um, depending on what happens
with Deshaun Watson, and you know who knows if this,
if Kenny Picket ends up, you know, being a great
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pick for the Steelers. Um, I think Cincinnati could be
in for a tough one in that division. I mean,
I'm not even totally convinced that they're going to be
a playoff team this year. I mean, just based on
that division, Like say Deshaun Watson get suspended four to
six games, I mean, it's not ideal, but we've talked
about the early portion of that schedule. If you can
get Deshaun Watson back for the remainder of the season,
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that's a team you gotta deal with. Baltimore as a
team you got to deal with, and then all the
rest of the a f C. I just I think
it's gonna be a lot more difficult path. And and
super Bowl hangovers are a real thing, and it's hard
for teams to get back to that point once they've
lost in that Super Bowl, especially in the devastating fashion
in which they did. As was pointed out earlier in
the segment, I don't know if you guys got that
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pointed out earlier in the segment. Um, so do you
how many corps? Let me ask you this, how many
quarterbacks young quarterbacks are you taking right now ahead of
Joe Burrow? Like we're talking quarterbacks that are still on
you know, their their rookie contracts. How many do you
go through that you're starting a team right now that
you would take ahead of Joe Burrow. I don't know
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that I'm taking any There wouldn't be a reason to Herbert.
I mean, Herbert is the only other one you could
throw into consideration. But there wouldn't be a reason to
take Herbert because you're going to get what you're getting
from Burrow. So I think the only difference is you
get a stronger arm, a little bigger player, UM, a
guy who you maybe you have a little less injury
concern about. Um. Herbert's been healthier through his time so
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far in the NFL, even in college for that matter,
as far as how much he played and how little
time he missed. So UM, you know, maybe you look
at it from that perspective, but no, I mean it
would still be Burrow. I think you look at you know,
other players like at Trevor Lawrence was a number one
overall pick. And depending on what type of leap he
could take in your to you know, maybe he starts
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to enter into the conversation and change your mind. Uh,
you know, as far as how you'd review it, But
no one over the borrow in my mind right now,
you don't think they would try and do some sort
of Patrick Mahomes type deal with him, like a ten
year deal to lock him up. What did John got
a six year deal? I think you've got to have
the the agent and the player have to be on
board with that. You know, if you feel like you've
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got your guy. Of course, as a team, you'd want
to do that because it's gonna be the more economical
way of doing it. And it really does help you
with cap planning if you if you can basically take
his ten year contract and say we know he's gonna
be here, we know these are the cap hits, here's
the way we can structure some things. Yeah, that'd be
most advantageous for any organization. I just I don't know
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that there's many players who want to follow suit. I mean,
we will continue to keep seeing contracts being done, and
we we see players who don't follow suit like that
was record setting in one way, because we haven't seen
a contract value that I that long. Kirk Cousins was
one of which he was a three year, fully guaranteed deal.
We didn't see anyone follow suit there. Deshaun Watson five
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year fully guaranteed deal. Haven't seen anyone fall suit. So
it all depends upon what you know, the combination of
the player and the agent are looking for the team,
and if they're all able to come together, which is
really really rare for that circumstance to actually take place,
it's a no. We could go to Burke. Yeah, I
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we go to break, so we do have an update, Brady,
the WiFi was working a lot faster than normal. Lee
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has got some answers on the Klondike lyrics. Um, so
go ahead, Lee, What's what's the Can you just tell
us what's happening? Well, I can tell you or I
could play it for you. Okay, please play. So I
said that it's uh no room for a snitch? Correct,
that is what you said? Okay? Yeah, that boy? I'm
not confident now, all right? So how would damned snitchard?
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I listen, I heard snitch? I mean you were close enough, though.
I mean, I'm gonna give you credit because you got
the big brown part right, the big thick brown part
right of it. You know you nailed that part of it.
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You know, I mean to change, you know, to change
snitch and stick. You know that's a small that's a
small technicality there. Like I hear snitch. I know you
guys are talking about can you play it again? Because
I hear snitch? And yeah, I think this is bes
LaVar's nickname is first? Why would Jonas laughs and turns
into Chris collins Worth. So I don't know what I do? Alright,
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So can we play it one more time? Please? Included
reloded builder? What alright? Why do you start to sound
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like Chris Collinsworth. I don't know. I've never thought about it.
I just I don't know. I don't don't know. Maybe
it's because I didn't. I did the impression so many
times that now it's just kind of can you do
one force real quick? I mean, I gotta tell you, like,
here's the thing. You're listening to that commercial and I'm
just trying to hear is it snitch your stick? And
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then Lamar conn said he's got this you know, big
brown like thing and like you like he mailed that
part like go big round thing that he nailed. What
what that had no room for a snitch or a stick? Yeah?
That's um so. I mean she was happy to talk
about all that chocolate smashed up into a big thick
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no room for a stick, you know what I mean?
One more tip, one more tip before we go to
break red. That that's got to be the funniest joke
loaded big and thick man they had had. And they
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had to have her sound like that, right, They couldn't
have her sound any other ways to sound. Further reviewing it,
a little uh flock on on there with those words.
You know, I never never thought about that, all right,
I didn't either until you started singing the lyrics. That's
shocking that Jonas would do a segment where he wanted
to play the lyrics but never thought about that. Come on,
and I didn't. I didn't read far enough into him,
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started off the show talking about Kyler Murray's contract and
include an independent study clause. Basically, he's got to study
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four hours each week in order to prepare for games
that are of the contract. Yeah, and so does he
does the contract get avoided completely or is it just
the guarantees if he's not studying four hours. I don't
know that I read through the clause. I couldn't tell
based on that. I don't have to see the rest
of it. But well, my my understanding is that if you, yeah,
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if you don't hit that particular clause, there's probably something
that's avoided or whether it's a guarantee or a bonus
or an escalation, something that within the contract would be
triggered in that regard. And you guys mentioned that you
can keep track of how long people are studying on
the tablets they're using now with technology, So is there
a way is there a way for him to just
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have it on but not actually be present there so
he doesn't have to study for four hours? I mean,
have somebody blogging in on it and using it so
you can you could log in and hit play and
let it go and it will log your time. I mean,
it doesn't mean that that's what you're doing. So there
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was one interesting note. That's all. Uh, the NFL has
a sponsorship with Microsoft, so they don't use iPads to
use what's called tablets right their surfaces, I believe they're called.
And everywhere in the contract it was specifically noted as
an iPad, which I'm sure this has gotten so much
pub and press. It's just a small detail. But Microsoft
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can't be excited about that, and in fact, like they
could probably they're they're probably missing an opportunity to try
to like leverage this into something more and being able
to like capitalize off of it. But everywhere in the
contract that specifically states iPad as opposed to tablet, which
is like more of a generic term. It's just so
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the whole thing is very strange. Um. I will say
this though, you know, at least Tyree Hill, you know,
at least he's got to his back, you know, like
at least that is somebody who was sticking up for
his quarterback. That's somebody should have came out and said
something about this this clauseban in Kylie, you know, maybe
like you know, just kind of dismissed the whatever. Steve
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Kim could you know, figure his way around, is it?
Oh god, this is nothing, this is uh. You know,
no one has spoken nobody, no, nobody said anything. In fact,
we did Larry Fitzgerald's dad who was critical of of
Kyler Murray. I think Larry Fitzgerald's dad, who covers sports,
was critical Kyler Murray. Larry did come out and say
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though he feels like he's as talent as a quarterback
he's ever played with. So yeah, I mean, look with
Kurt Warner, who's a Hall of Famer. So yeah, is
Kurt Warner hall of Famer? Let's ask him. We should
ask Kurt Warner if he's a Hall of Famer. You know,
I'm sure that'll be in another movie. A bit nice
of Kurt to join us here. Um. So, Tyreek Hill
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was on ESPN yesterday and they were asking why, ultimately
why he made the decision to sign with or to
choose to go with the Miami instead of the Jets,
because that was another team that was in the conversation
they were trying to work on a contract, and so
he explained his reasoning choosing the Dolphins over the Jets.
Here was tyry Kell. I said once and I said again,
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you know, Zach Wilson is a dog, But I rather
play with the most accurate quarterback in the NFL too.
He's not your typical guns langer, but you know, like
if you really like just pay attention to his game.
You know, everything get spot on, everything is pinpoint. You know,
ball is on time. You know, his fundamentals are on point.
You know he takes the time to make up in
other areas and be great in those other areas that
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you know other quarterbacks may not be good at. You know.
So that's all I gotta say all that you know
to He's a heck of a competitor, hell of a
hard worker, you know. So, like I said, man, I'm
excited to work, go to work with him. I mean,
that's a team. I didn't realize he was breaking down
to his quarterback fundamentals in order to make this comet
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his bag. Yeah, yeah, of course, I mean just breaking
all that down that that's what went into the decision
when he when he was watching film, he was watching
the quarterback in his mechanics. Um, it's about money. I
mean if it wasn't, if it wasn't all about that,
he would still be in Kansas City, right. Apparently he
never watched Patrick Mahomes mechanics that I don't know. Yeah
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that is true. Was that a shot at Patrick Mahomes?
I mean he did throw more interceptions last year. I
mean was that a shodow on Mahomes? Is accuracy? That's
what it feels like. Well, here's there's there's two things here,
Like it feels like like why is he saying all this?
Like was there a riff with him in Mahomes and
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he just doesn't want to hourdly say it? Or with
the organization he doesn't want to hourly say it because
the one thing that we talked about yesterday was you know,
Mahomes probably left some money on the table in order
to allow other guys to stay and sign. Now, either
the organization I just didn't want to deal with Tyreek
Hill for the expense he was gonna cost, or there's
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something else there because Tyreek Hill decided to leave. And
now Orlando Brown, who wants more money, and I don't
know what the Chiefs are offering him, but he's not
reporting the camp. That's your left tackle, So it's not
working out. I think the way probably Patrick Mahomes and
his agent really were hoped for, or maybe even the
Chiefs had hoped for, but a lot of times, like
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I don't know if that's a product of the Chiefs
organization and then them not paying him, or if it's
a it's a it's a byproduct, or just that individual
player and agent saying yeah, we're not gonna fall that
like we we just used to see with the New
England Patriots and Tom Branding everyone else kind of taking
some discounts in order to keep it all together. It
seems like they're not as focused on that in Kansas City.
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And again, I don't know if that's a a byproduct
of the culture there or just the franchise and their
inability to I mean, it's a smaller market. They're not
gonna be able to pay as much cash as a
lot of these these bigger market teams. If you look
at the Rams, for example, Stan Cronky's flushed with cash.
It's why they've been able to do what they've been
able to do over the course of the last five
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six years. Like you, it's hard to do that and
sustain it. They've been able to because their owner. I
don't know that Kansas City is gonna be able to,
you know, pay as much cash out to players like
they need to keep a lot of stars together. So
I'm not sure what you tribute to. I just know
Zach Wilson is not enough of a factor to be
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a factor. So he's a non factor in this conversation.
And the bottom line is is for him to to
state the detail. He did not have to do that
to justify himself or to over Zack Wilson. So, I mean,
you gotta believe he's he is pinpointing and directing what
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he's saying at Kansas City and and and I almost
feel like he's letting He's trying to let people know
that whatever it is he's got going on in Miami
with Tuah, it's going to give him the results that
he's he's seeking that he's looking for, right, I mean,
but I feel like that's what I feel like, that's
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what he's doing. He is trying to compensate by by
propping up. This is more about overcompensating than it is defending.
He's not defending to h He's trying to compensate for something.
And I think that something is he's compensating for for
why he made the decision when he did to leave
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Kansas city, and there might be a deeper reason why
he's going deeper into the details of what he's saying
about toah And maybe he's pissed because they didn't give
him what he wanted because there was a back and
forth and then when it realized when he and him
and his agent and I think it Drew Rose now
is an agent, and they put the numbers together and
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said this is what we're looking for kidsas that he
was like, well, that's not gonna work for us, and uh,
we'll help you find a trade. And maybe he that
bothers him, like I thought I was more of a priority,
and clearly I wasn't enough of a priority for you
to give me this amount. So maybe there is him
holding a little bit of a grudge there. But I
just at some point this season he's here, there's got
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to be a realization that he's not playing with Patrick Mahomes,
maybe he's not going to be as wide open as
he was at certain times playing with Travis Kelsey and
and maybe and we talked about this last week, and
we're going over each division like Jalen Waddle had a
great year last year, like him, and two I had
something going I just wonder if there's going to be
this aspect where two is going to try and have
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to force the ball to Tyreek Hill because he's gonna
get piste off, he's not getting the ball enough and
he's gonna go back to I defended him, this was
my guy, and he's trying to butter him up here.
It's just I don't see this working as smoothly as
as Tyreek Hill is trying to make it out to be.
But you know why receiver persons interesting, and it's one
in which usually when a guy, when things are good,
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talks as much as Tyreek Hills and I didn't know
a lot of this is born out of a podcast
that he does too. But usually when you hear him
talking this much when things are good, it's only gonna
get worse when things are bad, Like they're only gonna
talk that much more and become whether it's a distraction
or fracture your locker room, or fracture relationships, you know,
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create more um chaos with the media. I mean, all
those things end up happening. When you've got a player
who talks this much in an off season, we're not
I guess training camp, but still we're not to the
season yet. Usually it only gets worse from here, doesn't
It doesn't get better if things don't go well. So
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that's the concern I think I have for two, in
such a pivotal year in his career, to have an
organization bringing a guy that, yeah, he's there to help you,
but how much did they really do to really help him?
I mean, I think the one I think, the one
saving grace will be they're gonna use between Waddle and
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Tyreek Hill with Mike McDaniel there as their head coach
in a variety of ways. Like I really do believe
Tyreek Hill is gonna play that role of like a
Deebo Samuel. Now he's not as big as him, but
he does have a running back background, so I would
not be shocked at all if he doesn't have more
carriers than he's ever had. You know, usually it's those
fly sweeps. But I'm saying like from the backfield, some
(41:27):
different looks, uh screens, a lot of quick catches like
what you saw with him and Waddle last year. But
it's gonna be like a ball controlled like old school
West Coast offense where it's you know, get the ball
out of two us hand quick and get in these
guys hands. So it shouldn't make it easier to just
get him the football and then the rest is on him.
I just I wonder how many times he's gonna miss
(41:49):
that the improvised you know, improvising that Mahomes can do
because to a can a little bit. It's just he
doesn't have the arm strength where you can drop back,
you know how for far you want to sling it
all over the field like that's just not to his game,
as I don't know, let's get to the matter at hand.
Here he said he's the most accurate quarterback in the NFL.
There's one guy who can answer this, all right, Brady Quinn.
(42:12):
Most accurate quarterbacks in the NFL. Who are we talking
about here? Is to on that list? Statistically speaking, you
could make that case. Um I put Rogers up there,
I put Brady up there. Um. Now, those guys will
tend to push the ball down the field more so,
you know, if you want to just look at completion
percentage and that's how you're gonna base your argument, it's
(42:33):
tough because you know, not not every guy is throwing
for you know that the same you know air yards
per attempt if you want, we want to dive into
the data analytics. There's some guys who are pushing the
ball down the field more. Um, but I would say,
you know, Rogers Brady are up there because it is
actually pretty darn accurate when you break them down. Um,
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he doesn't get enough credit for that, but as a
passer and how his game is built, like he kind
of has to be, but he's lethally accurate. I think
Stafford Sue doesn't get enough credit for how accurate he is.
You know, you don't see him throw many foul balls,
and his ball placements usually pretty impeccable. Um. I would
say like those four off the top of my head.
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I mean you could throw in some other guys in there,
but like those four have been doing it for a while,
and I think there that's where their careers at right now.
All right, So can we run with that on on twitterly?
Can we make that Brady Quinn's mount rushmore of accurate
quarterbacks in the NFL? I mean it's July. We need
we need some publicity here. There's not a lot going on.
We're waiting on to Shaun Watson. Uh So, I mean
if we could get that running on social media. I
(43:37):
think that could be fire. Thank you for that A shot?
Was that a shot at me? You do know that?
You know we went viral? You know what I mean?
What do you mean I picked up? You know we
got I just don't want a death threats. Yeah, yeah,
we don't because that Drew Brees stuff. Okay, but I
did get death threats off with the Drew Brees stuff.
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You know, was Drew Brees the most accurate quarterback in
the NFL when he was in the league. He was
up there, Yeah, I mean he was. I always say
if he was playing now, like for sure, he would
have been right up there. I mean, I mean statistically
you can even make that case. But again, like he's
he's he That's what he lived on, like timing, accuracy, precision. Yeah, well,
good for Drew. So again, now we apologized any Breeze
(44:22):
fans out there just wanted to make a mention of him,
don't wanna you know quarterback? Yeah that was Tyreek Hill.
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