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It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Very Show is on the air. Pretty little lady, I was coming
to wreck Christians. We're all gonnabe like three little Fanzi's here and what's

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Fanzie like? Come on you,Linda, what's body like? What a
wreck the mundo? And that's whatwe're gonna be. Some pictures couldn't close
an umbrella. What's happening to myspecial partner? I'm dank now we are
in Trump. We talked to kimOgg during the break between the two segments,

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and here's what she said. KimOgg, Harris County District Attorney,
is our guest. Let me askyou how much of this case you can
speak about publicly because I hear thingsthat are not in the public record that
are very, very disturbing, andnormally prosecutors do put those out there for

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the public to understand. This isnot something political, this was a real
case. I could not bring itright. That's kind of what you said
at the time. Well, it'sour job to support law enforcement and to
address complaints by individuals when they makethem. And that's true, whether it's

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murder or whether it's public corruption.So in this case, another public official,
Jack Cagile, who instantly was redistrictedout of his own district, really
made a complaint with our office,an official complaint, And of course the
DA is supposed to investigate, butwe're not a primary investigative agency. Law
enforcement first responding agencies are generally theinvestigators of crimes. We take the cases

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into court, we provide legal supportto the investigators while they're working on it,
but we're not the primary lead investigators. We're the primary lead prosecutors.
So I contacted the Texas Rangers,just like Ed Gonzalez does when there's a
death in the jail, or justlike Chief Troy Finner does when he needs
HPD investigated. We turn to otherlaw enforcement agencies who are independent of the

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case, and we asked them toinvestigate. And that's what we did.
And so the Rangers did a thoroughjob. They got a lot of information,
they wrote a lot of warrants,they served those warrants, and it's
taken painstaking eighteen months to get allof it from the various providers Google and

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different platforms, and so that's whattakes a long time in an investigation.
But once the discovery, once allthat is turned over to the defense,
which it has been, then reallyboth sides need to be ready to go.
So we've pulled in somebody new totry and address these cases with the

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resources they deserve. And I thinkthat there's going to be a push to
the court to try and get themresolved before the term is over. But
it's not. Then it falls towhoever becomes the DA to decide if they're
going to try and take the caseback or allow the Attorney General's Office to

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complete the job. Rodney Ellis,I believe is involved in all of this.
You may or may not choose torespond to that. But there was
a case of a Harris County facilitybeing used to store art and we're talking
I don't know, maybe millions ofdollars worth of storage fees over all of
that. The guy that was involvedwas recently in a bankruptcy in the last
minute. The whole thing stinks.Everybody knows it stinks. I had heard

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rumors that the FBI was coming inand there was going to be a prosecution.
Do you see a path forward forthat case as well? Because everybody
that knows what's going on knows whathappened there does this get dropped, Well,
the statute is probably run on thatcase, and there was no new
evidence developed to take in front ofa second grand jury. The grand juries

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that heard the case took some timeagain, production of records really slow.
Without saying what was presented to thegrand juries, they ultimately the final grand
jury no build the case. Oncethat happens unless there's new evidence. We
don't take a case back and tryit a second time in front of a

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different grand jury. So no newevidence came forward. I can't tell you
why the grand jury made that decision, but that's what happened. Lena Hidalgo
was not indicted. Most people,myself included, feel that there's no way
that her top three folks were runningthat elevate scheme without her knowledge. Do

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you think that ever changes? Doyou foresee an indictment of her? Without
answering that question at all, becauseI know I'll be questioned about it by
the lawyers in the case, whatI would tell you is that criminal cases
changed all the time. That's whycharge a comes into intake. New facts

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develop, maybe even in some cases, science and technology advance and we get
new information about the same evidence thatwe have because now they can perform different
testing. I know those are justanalogies and not directly answering your question,
but because cases can change all ofthe time, because somebody can come forth

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without it, that makes it allwasn't previously known. We were up against
a heartbreak during that, so thatthat's why the interview crashes off. We
didn't remove any of the interview,and by the way, we never do,
whether there's a pause or whatever elseor stumble that that is important.
Nobody can never say we edited yourcomments. I was glad she was willing
to come home me. We've battleda bit over the years. I was

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glad she came on. And Ithink what she's doing is very important right
now, all right? Seven onethree nine nine nine, one thousand.
Since stuttering has been a big dealthis week, and a lot of stutterers
have reached out and said thanks foryou know, supporting the stutters. Of
course, one of my favorite JerryKlower bits involved a fellow who stuttered,

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You're gonna enjoy this, mister,Dougay. You know, I growed up
just north of tit Faull Louisanner andTitfall Louisanner. There's a man named Duga,
a frich one, and I knowa rodeo clown down there that went
fishing with mister Dougar and two morefrenchmen on Lake Punch train and they id

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the fishing and they having a goodtime. The winds come up and mister
Dog fell in the lake and drowned. And they told that fella that was
fishing with him, said, yougot to go tell his wife that he
drowned. You got to go tellme is do God that her husband's dead,

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drownded in the lake. Well,this fella stuttered something awful. I
mean, he was a stutter roughand he said, man, I can't
talk when I ain't excited, andwith deep sympathy in my heart, I
can't go talk to miss Dougaar.I won't get two words out. They

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said, you're gonna go tell herif you have to put the mail till
this to it and sing it toher. You the one gonna do it,
because you was in a boat withit. Well, this old boy
went up to the Do God houseand he knocked on the front door,
and the lady come to the doorand he said, he said, yes,

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who drowned in the late to daydo God, God, Yes,
who drownded in the late two dayto you God do God? Whoa who

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live life? Doing it big?On the Michael Berry Show, will tea

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for Texas? May have tea fourteenof see? I said, tea for
Texas, Mama te follten u see? And I said tea for thewn that

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no good gallant main recom me.If you don't owe me woma, just
see soup. That's all. Ifyou don't want me, woman, all

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you gotta do is say so.That's all. That is. Pup Johnson
myself out of New Orleans, whoI am told as a significant stutter.
But if you hear him sing you'dnever know it. Not his song of
course, that's Tea for Texas,originally known as Blue Yodel One. So

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I thought, man, I knowwhalan did that? I know Johnny Cash
did that. I know a lotof people did tea for Ronnie Van's Ant?
Did that lead singer the greatest rockband of all time? So I
looked it up. You won't believethis. For moment, George Harrison did
tea for Texas. Can you seeGeorge Harrison from Liverpool doing tea for Texas,

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but it all comes full circle.That was written in nineteen twenty eight
by a fellow named Jimmy Rodgers,and it's said as a teenager, Rogers
sang on the traveling shows he organizedwith his father. As an adult,
he started working for the New Orleansand Northeastern Railroad as a brakeman. Because

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of tuberculosis, he left the jobin nineteen twenty four. I pined for
the days of the guy who's abrakeman on the railroad, and the kinds
of people who leave home troubled,get on a train, not knowing where
they're going, and just end upKohan Luke kind of deal. They just

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end up somewhere and maybe they gota guitar, they start picking, maybe
they learn it in prison, andthen they just start doing shows singing about
mister Bojangles. I know it's notas glamorous as it sounds, but I
like to think on it. Phil, You're on the Michael Berry Show.
What say you, Phil? Phil? Phil, Oh, it's not gonna

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be It's gonna be. Bill,He's going, Oh, no idea,
Phil, Bill mill Pill, JillReal, Neil Oh, Neil, I
did, I'm not not Phil?Makes me crazy. You got him on
there? What's he doing? Igotta know. I gotta know why Phil

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wasn't on there. I gotta know. I gotta know what he's doing.
I gotta know how it made senseat that moment not to come on the
line. Maybe the best show inhistory. Yeah, when he comes back,
maybe he's ordering and to drive throughat ten twenty two. Right now,
Ramon, I could transport you withouthaving to leave the show, wouldn't

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occupay? I can put you inone fast food line and you could order
right now. Where are you andwhat are you ordering? Waterborger number four?
You're going lunch? You're going lunchmenu? Okay, okay, can
you tell me why? Okay,yes, Waterburger sounds good right now?

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But oh you you did the Vengasmovie line for me. Okay, that's
clever. Okay, your two stepsahead of me. I'm actually trying to
process because I was still in taketomode. What time today do you think
you switched over from breakfast to lunch? Eight thirty? You wanted a beer

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at eight thirty? Holy wow?Okay, okay, at eight thirty okay,
so eight? So if at eightfifteen, at eight fifteen you STI
would have had a takeito, butyou probably had breakfast at four o'clock this
morning. That's what people don't understand. So eight thirty what hellever, oh,

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hold on till phild hold on.So what people don't understand is you
and Chad eat you start wanting lunchat the time most people are eating breakfast.
But y'all are also here at aninsane hour. Oh we lost Phil,
Phil Phil, Mike. Yeah,Hey, I appreciate you taking my

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call. I got two questions.Number one, I appreciate you having kimlog
I think it's in my opinion,I think that she's doing the right thing
by sending it on to the AttorneyGeneral. But the thing that bothers me
more than anything is she's just asinvolved in all the corruption that goes on.
I'm a retired high school coaching teacher. Three four years ago, I

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retired, and you know, she'ssent a deal out to every school in
the city of Houston saying I willnot prosecute any drug charges, I will
not prosecute this, and I willnot prosecute and basically left a lot of
the principals and the assistant principles incharge of discipline left them out hanging.
That's number one. So she aggravatesme just as much as anybody else does,

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as much as Lena Hidalgo and somebody'sother local politicians. Second question I
have for you, and I apologize, is with all this crap going on
with Trump, how come we don'thave someone like Ken Paxton or another state
attorney that doesn't bring charges against LatishaJames and brag about depriving us of our

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right and our constitutional right to votein a presidential election with what they're trying
to do. So I'll hang upand listen unless you have questions for me.
But I know I wouldn't. Thatwould not be the argument to use.
Our argument is not your constitutional rightsto a potential candidate come November.

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The argument is more fundamental and profoundin that sense, and that argument is
the art. First of all,one of the hallmarks of Western civilization,
Anglo American jurisprudence as we call it, that we taught the world, and
we truly taught the world. Thisis that we provide a bundle of rights

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and protections for the accused, forthe individual against the government, which is
the collective. Now, this makespeople crazy and I understand that because we
like to think that nobody gets accusedunless they've done something wrong. Well,
you can see in the case ofTrump, that's not true. And it's

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good to remember just because a guy'snineteen years old and has a criminal record,
and he's black and he lives inthe hood, doesn't mean he doesn't
get those constitutional protections. So thecase here is not your right as a
citizen to get to vote for acandidate in November. That arc is too

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far. This is directly to thesource. Donald Trump has rights as a
criminally accused period. End of story. Now that's a separate case than the
Supreme Court case. And I willtell you, you make a fool out
of yourself when you predict how thesethings are going to work. But there

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was a moment yesterday in the SupremeCourt hearings that Trump can't even attend because
he's got to be dealing with fatAlvin Bragg in Manhattan. There was a
moment when Katanji Brown Jackson actually askedthe question about future presidents. If you

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do not provide that level of immunityfor a president to make decisions in the
course of his work, then you'regoing to expose presidents to criminal liability.
The fact that Katanji Brown Jackson isasking these sorts of questions I find fascinating.

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The moment of the hearings yesterday waswhen Clarence Thomas, the greatest justice
of them all and the second greatestjustice of my lifetime, behind only his
dear friend Antonin's Khalia Ramon. Ifyou have some time, I'll tell you
about the most guards with him waswhen he asked about FDR in turning the
Japanese and glib or bliedmon or whateverhad to say, Well, that was

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the right thing at the time,exactly the point. That's why we have
presidential amina very show, put yourhands and got all this seven one thousand.

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Oh. Yeah, you can't playa skinnered live without checking it.
Yeah, that was the skinnered versionof tea for Texas. You don't want
to do that because then it ruinsit for everybody else. You gotta ease
into it. You gotta go Lyleand Robert Earle kind of ease into it
because once you once they hit thoselicks with skinnered, it's nope, you

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can't hear anybody else cover it.It's like Elvis covered something doesn't mean that
nothing else is good, although Itea this. I was leaving the studio
in the afternoon the other day andI walked out there. I said,
you know what, we'll go home. I'm gonna sit in the on the
back porch, just kill about anhour with a phone off and nothing,
and just look at Calvin and seewhat kind of ignorance he's up to,

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and look at the flowers, andtalk to my wife and clear my head.
And I turned on my truck andit was Dolly Parton singing I Will
Always Love You. And it's oneof those things that, yeah, everybody
knows the song. It's famous,it's her most famous. She could have
sold it to Elvis and but shelost half of it. It's one of

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those moments, you know. AndI don't know how best to explain this,
but there are things that are famousand important that then you see them.
I've had people go to Graceland andthey'll go, hey, I didn't
I don't get it. That's toomuch build up, too much build up.
You got to understand that people willgo to one of the wonders of

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the world they see. But thereare certain things that have kind of have
kind of recessed to the background.You remember on the computers. I can't
do it, but you remember onthe computers it was like Adobe or one
of those. There was the abilityneed to bring the thing in the back
to the front and the thing inthe front to the back. I'm talking
about you could you could move them. They're like, hey, y'all move

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forward, Like when they're taking thegroup photo, y'all move back, and
y'all move forward. There's certain thingsthat they're not at the front anymore.
They moved to the back. They'rejust back there. They're just kind of
quiet, and then ever so oftenyou bring it to the front. And
listening to her singing that song,I just sat there quiet, spellbound at

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how beautiful that song is, howdeep it is, and the complex relationship
she had with Porter Wagner. Youknow, they're banging and she's got to
leave. But he gave her herfirst. He gave her her big start,

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and he loved her and in everyway, shape and form, and
I think he probably he saw maybethe Porter and Dolly show, you know,
and how high this sing was gonnago. And there came that moment
where she realized, I've got togo out on my own. But I
do love you doesn't mean I don'tlove you. And I'll go with you.

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You know, you'll come with mein my heart. But woo man,
the way she sings that, Andwhen you see on the show when
she sings that song for him,he'd already heard it because apparently bald his
eyes out when when she first sangit said, Porter, I've written this
song for you. When you seeon the show when she sings that,

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he just puts his head down.I mean he's he doesn't put his head
down when she sing those sings othersongs. He lot his eyes light up
because that's his girl she's singing.He puts his head down as if that
this is his own funeral. AndI saw a tribute to Porter Wagner that
was twenty five years later, andthere was an older Porter Wagoner and he'd

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had a lot of work done andwas wearing a lot of makeup, so
he didn't he didn't look, youknow, one hundred years old, even
though he was. And she sangthat to him again. But I don't
think she loved him as much becauseshe had moved on, right she had.
I think she was probably closer toKenny Rodgers. They developed, you
know when they went on tour,when Island's in the Stream came out and

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they went on tour. If yougo back and watch those concerts, they
have a chemistry that is palpable.I mean it's a tension watching it even
today. You know, he's gotthe very dated, you know, hair
back and beard. That was thelook of the day. And I've seen

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when she sings that to him.It's a different deal. So there wasn't
the love that there was. Butyou could see. I would say the
word would be wistful. Wagner lookedwistful. I was talking yesterday about Elvis
and I could not think of theword, and I said tender. But

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that's not that's the wrong word.Vulnerable was the word. Some of you
sent me an email on that,and I'm glad you did because I couldn't.
I couldn't remember it. Michael,you're on the Michael Berry Show.
What say you, sir? Goodmorning, sir? Are you there?
Yes, sir? Go ahead?Oh yeah, time. I just wanted
to call and tell you that I'vebeen listening to you, but as a

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former radio guy, we're almost wellsince two thousand and nine when I arrived
in Houston, and you do it. I have a lot in common and
got a great love for music.You're bringing up Elvis this morning, You're
bringing up Dolly Parton. I've beento musician since I was five, started
playing the piano when I was five, and that I got my first piano

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sixty years ago next month. SoI go and tell you do a great
job. You downplay yourself compared toRush Limball, and I can see why.
I mean, it would be veryhard to want to compare yourself.
But me as an outsider and theformer radio guy that's still very much loved

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the profession, looking in you are, you're on par with him. I
don't know why you don't have anational show. You're really good. But
you're very kind to say that.This is a very complicated question with a
very complicated answer. The reality isthe decision as to who creates a nationally

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syndicated show is not my decision.If Rush came out today, I don't
believe that Rush would have been thechoice to do that show at that time.
He built that slot. It wasa different time. I'm built on
his chassis, not on the modernchassis. And that's okay. You could
be the best show in the historyof mankind, but you only air in

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Miami or LA or New York orOmaha, you'd still be the best show
of all time. We tend tomeasure the quality of a show by how
many affiliates it has, and Idon't, and I appreciate your words.
So look, my goal is tobe the best show we can possibly be.
And when we walk away, maybesomebody says I liked him as much

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as Rush. That'd be boy,that'd be a highlight your lucky days.

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I said, dog Cloud in thiswith the great line, gotta get down
my hand in the western oil canunder my opal level chair. It's all
on Friday, no work till Monday. Dude, it's all on Friday,

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no work till my day. Butbecause it's all here drinking up my bill,
got eggs running everywhere, got somebook on the side of I'm just
trying to hide the middle of runbehind again. Here it's allow hal Friday,

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no work till my day. Butit's how you doing this? Here
is Shirley q lickorhood. Oh lord, I got the shock of my life

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last night. I was in theresitting on the commode. I finally got
my chance to go in there andsit on it for a while in some
peace and privacy in my house.And I had brought my an ebony magazine
and a slurpe back then. Iwas gonna be in there a while.
And girl, I hadn't even gotsat down good when I felt someer tickling
and uh wiggling over my thighs.I looked down and must have been the

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largest tarantula spot I've ever saw inmy life. You could have heard me
holler all the way downtown and back. I went to hollered. I didn't
care who saw it. I wasbeating that thing with that magazine just and
just wow it out. All eightlegs were just all over that bathroom.

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And I'm scared to go in therenow. So I'm constipated. Plus I
have pies. Now that's terrible.One insect could do it lady that way,
but them things is terrible. I'ma cow pis control behind it A
nine one one. Next time ithappened, you tell you my bags,
how she doing? Tell her shelift up that lid, look under there.

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Bye, Hanny, so Becky writesme an email said Zora. I
used to own a lady's Workout Expressin Katie. We had a member who
went camping a lot. She didn'tcome in for her workout for a few
days. She finally came in andtold me that she was bitten by a
brown recluse spider on her breast.After a couple of days, she was

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taking a shower. And I don'tthink I have your attention sufficiently, writes
I used to own a lady's workoutExpress in Katie. We had a member
who went camping a lot. Shedidn't come in for her workout for a

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few days. She finally came inand told me that she was bitten by
a brown recluse spider on her breast. After a few days, she was
taking a spy. She was takinga shower, and that brown recluse spiders

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babies busted out of her boob.I'm gonna read that again. She finally
came in and told me that shewas bitten by a brown recluse spider on
her breast. Oh that's unfortunate.Yeah, it was terrible, horrible.
After a couple of days, shewas taking a shower and that brown recluse

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spiders babies busted out of her boob. Thousands of baby spiders came popping out.
Oh my goodness, that spider waspregnant. That reminds me of the

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time that Shirley cue Lickor did theself breast examine. She said it was
like there were EM and m's inthere. This is shirty C liquor with
your women health minutes. Girl,make you men leave the room. I'm
gonna tell you something about it.The other day, I had got a
pamphlet at my doctor office told mehow to do a self examination of a
breakfasts. Girl. I got scared. I went home and say, take

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a shower, you know, areal hot shower. So I climbed my
big butt up in that shower andeverything. He put a pink thing on
my head so not to get more. You know, my hairdoe had just
been fixed. So I got thesoap and everything and say, soap up
the breakfasts, feel on that andlook for anything that's not right. Girl.
It felt like I was smuggling Mand MS. I felt so many

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things. I couldn't tell whether itwas my imagination or what. Lord.
I about paniced down there and wentand saw my doctor. And then he
gonna do the same thing, makeme throw my arms all kinds of ways
and mation them breakfasts. He said, I'm gonna have not Jules, he
said, miss Looqua. He said, you got to cut back on your
caffeine. Girl, He said,you be done. Got fibronoids up in
here. I said, oh lord, he said, but you're gonna be

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all right? I said, what, I just feel so ignorant. So
girls, don't be scared. Ifyou feel sometime, go down there and
stey the doctors. It might bejust ignorant. That's what I had.
I was diagnosed with clinical ignorant.All right, Now you tell you,
my mon, say how should Ithy? Honey? You can buy your
copy of Enchilada entrepreneur Russell Oborrow's newbook about lessons he's learned and lessons he

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applies, and building an organization andovercoming adversity and a sense of urgency to
everything you do. So he Ucalled my sweet mother. And so he
was very close to my brother Chris, and he would fly Chris all over
the country, flew him to Vegas. I mean he was so good to

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my brother. My brother's a cop, like he didn't get on private planes.
That was like the coolest thing ever. And nobody flies on private planes.
And Russell would put him on aprivate plane and taking places, take
him on hunts, you know,bought him a beautiful gun for his birth.
It just spoiled him. Rotten it. My brother loved it. Well.
He called my mom and said,you know, I was thinking about

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Chris and I wanted to send youa book, and I want to see
how you're doing. And it's justthe sweetest thing ever. And so he
sends her overnights her four copies ofthe book. So I said, well,
Mom, that's very sweet of Russellto do that, but what are
you going to do with four copiesof the book? And she said,
well, I've already decided. I'mtaking one to Orangefield High School to donate

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to the library. I'm taking oneto the orange Public Library and give one
to Becky Smith, ask her toput it on the shelf. And I'm
taking one to Lamar University in Orangebecause I thought those college students could really
use this book. So I'll keepmind because he's written it to me,
But the others I'm gonna donate.What do you think? So there's my
mom today probably you know, bustedup back. She needs to have surgery.

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But you know, hobbling in thereall crooked, probably got my dad
by the hand. Norman, comeon in here, come on. They
told her she got to work.Well, she got to walk on a
walker. My buddies are back.Doctor doctor mccainn great guy. He said,
we need to put you on awalker for a little while to straighten
out your gate before we can dothe next procedure. And I mean he's
takes such good care of her.So there's gonna be with her walker.

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My dad holding on a tennis ballsin front and bringing books about Enchilada Entrepreneur.
That's my son wrote the forward rightthere. Yes, miss Burry,
we'll be sure to get that righton the shelf. You got to stop
and you know, smell the roses. Send me an email, tell me
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and God bless America. Finally,if you know a veteran suffering from PTSD,
call Camp Hope at eight seven sevenseven one seven PTSD and a combat
veteran will answer the phone to providerecountciling