Renowned Attorney, Dan Cogdell, Talks About What 'Flushes His Commode'

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The Michael Berry Show. It isover line Friday, and we will get
to your calls shortly, but moredevelopments that require us to have a conversation
with Dan Cogdell, defense attorney.This will be a quick one because he's
out riding motorcycles in Fredericksburg. Whatdo you ride today? I'm riding at
KTM thirteen ninety Michael, what doesthat mean today? You got so many?

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I got more motorcycles? And sincefor sure are you one of those
Jerry J. Moore guys, exceptinstead of the Dusenbergs or whatever, You've
got motorcycles. Boy, there's aname from the past. That's awesome.
I probably have twenty five motorcycles.Did you represent him? I guess I
did not, but my mental RacehorseHaynes and Jerry J. Were the best

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of friends. Do you were youthe Oh? No, it was Rudy
t plays at worthm Because I wasgoing to say the last time I saw
Racehorse Haines he was playing. Hewas walking worth them. He was probably
ninety five at the time, andI remember thinking, this guy could play
anywhere he wants, and this ishe chooses to play the oldest public course
in the country and not a fancyone. That too. Haines was not

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fancy. He was the best lawyer, in my opinion, that ever drew
a breath of air, but fancyhe was not. So where are y'all
riding today? We are going abouta two hundred mile loop today, Michael,
and then tomorrow we're going to ridethese celebrated Twisted Sisters, which is
probably the best loop in Texas toride a motorcycle on the outside of a

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that's out of here. Go ahead. You know, my thing with fishing,
hunting, riding motorcycles, playing poker, most everything else is I don't
actually enjoy the activity itself as muchas I do the camaraderie. You know,
it's a bad sign when my firstthought when you're talking about the Twisted
Sister is where are you gonna havewhere you're gonna stop for lunch? Because
it seems to me the whole reasonto ride bikes is where you're going to

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stop for lunch. That's an importantpart of it to me. Also,
you know, it flushes my comode. It's just you. I don't think
about anything but riding the motorcycle,particularly when I'm racing motorcycles, except you
know what what that turn is upahead. I don't think about the motion
I should have filed, the judgethat I got it's mad at me or
whatever. I just I just thinkabout, you know, it being in

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the moment, and I don't drinkanymore. So that that's that's my That's
the way I flush my commodes.I'm still processing this, flush my commode
reference this. This is interesting question. A number of people asked, if
you're Trump's lawyer, the Vordyr process, the selection of the jurors, how

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do you think he did as bestyou can tell, You know, it's
hard to tell because they just sitthere and sometimes not at gen sometimes don't
take notes. So it's it's it'shard to tell any case as high profile
as this one, particularly as anindividual as polarizing as as Trump. Uh,
you're the real art of the dealthese days is getting into there's the

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banire, the purity members social media, because that's going to reflect who they
really are, at least as muchas what they tell you they are.
So you really have to do adeep dive and their social media, see
who they listen to, see whattheir comments are, because you know they're
going to say the socially appropriate thingin a jury selection context, and you

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just can't trust that, particularly ina case like Trump's where he is so
polarizing. So one of the storieswas that big law was on the jury
because two lawyers with big law firmswere on there. As a general category,
if a guy's at Baker bots Fulbrightv and E. Cravatswain lawyer,

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and you're in a criminal defense you'rethe criminal defense attorney in a Trump type
case, what's your gut? Iknow everybody's different, what's your gut for
that guy? I'll take a lawyerevery time because they understand the burden of
proof, they understand the requirement ofproof beyond a reasonable out that they're a
good thing to have on a jerry. I like lawyers because I tend to

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think that they a lawyer is goingto vote for who the best lawyer is,
and I believe, whether I'm rightor I'm wrong, that I'm the
best lawyer in the room. SoI like lawyers when you're looking at categories
of people as a criminal defense attorney, particularly in this case, which is
more kind of a white collar typedeal, is it's not a murder?
What are a couple of things yougravitate toward and against what in demographics you

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know demographically you want you you youtend to want somebody that's demographically associated with
your client. You don't want somebodyif you have a client of great wealth
or great power who has never beenexposed to that. You want somebody who

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is open minded. You want somebodywho will listen and not make a decision
until all the evidence is in.And what are you looking against? Who
scares you the most? People thatdon't have anything in common with my client,

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right, people that have never traveledin those same circles people look human
nature is we are jealous of thingswe can't have when we don't have.
And the further ideologically demographically, apotential jour is from your client, uh,
the worse off you're going to be. And in the same is true
on the flip side, right,if you've got a guy charged with with
ag robs or whatever, you don'twant a guy who went to UH whose

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kids are ken Gate or Saint John'sor whatever. You know, you want
somebody as similar to your client asyou can find. Fair enough. Elephant
in the room. But we haveto ask Kim Ogg yesterday, who was
defeated by Shaan Tier, who's thelawyer in your firm, who will be
on the ballot in November as theDemocrat nominee for District Attorney uh Kim Ogg

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announcing, Hey, we're moving thecase against Lena Hidalgo's top three folks to
the Attorney General a move full disclosure. I support, but you are representing
Alex Trientophlos, Lena Hidalgo's chief ofstaff. We talked yesterday morning. You're
not surprised by that your thoughts andfurther complicating and making this do more interesting

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in the tangled life of Dan Cogdell. It will now be in Ken Paxton's
office. And you defended Kim Paxtonagainst the Drunk Dade Show trial to try
to impeach him. So these areinteresting times for Dan cogdile. That's why
you got to get away and flushyour commode. That's right. You know.
The one thing I admire about Kimis her consistency. She's consistent,

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She's consistently wrong. Sean doesn't workfor me anymore, hasn't since the primary.
So it's just brilliant that she basesher decision on the fact that Sean
still works for me when he doesn'twork for me. I mean, I'm
about it's hard to find Michael asa as a red light on a West
Timer. I mean, google me, Kim. He doesn't work in her
office. He had, He's noton the website. He has nothing to

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do, never has had anything todo with Alex's case. So you know,
if she if there was such aconflict, she should have moved forward
a long time ago. All thisis is a shot at Sean Teer,
who beat her like a red headedstep child in the primary, and and
indirectly a shot at me, which, like I say, I don't care.
A reputation like mine is hard toruin. But she's just wrong on

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the idea that this conflict created theuh, the the you know, the
the tension and and and and theexploture. Look, I have no problem
with the AG's office coming in andtaking over the case, Michael. I
have no problem with anybody objectively comingin and taking over the case, because

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I think if they do, they'llsee it for what it is. You
know, it's a it's a it'sa heaping pile of dog dunge. It's
it's a whole Ruble case. Itshould have never been brought. But she
she's trying to depoliticize the case thatshe made political. I'm going to respectfully
disagree because I think it's a greatcase, but that that's part of the
fun of it. Let me closeby asking. I asked Ramon yesterday.

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He was talking about what a dapperdresser you are, and I said,
how much do you think the mostexpensive sports code that cogdail owns would cost?
And I thought he'd say two thousand, which in my opinion is out
landish, And he said four thousand, And I said, well, I'll
ask, And you have to behonest. That's part of the you know,
the the FCC regulates us. Youhave to be honest when you're asked
a question, especially sartorial question.Well, you're both wrong. My most

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expensive is not sport code. It'sa suit that I had custom made for
me, where the weed is custom. And if you were if you remember
Michael Who's who's the who's the brashboxer who had FU in his suit?
Oh yeah, Well Connor McGregor,yeah yeah. So as an homage to

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that suit instead of FU, Ihave not guilty and little bitty lines in
the chalks drive anyway answer your question? That was an eight thousand oh see,
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