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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.
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So Michael Verie Show is on the air.
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And now a totally random week in review from the past.
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Take a guess when this was.
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That song takes me to a place being six seven
years old, sitting in front of the TV bowl of
cereal on the bean Bang and it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Was time for Captain Kangaroo.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Was there anything better?
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Oh?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
My goodness. Hunter Biden has been found guilty on all
counts in his federal trial in Wilmington, Delaware. Extraordinary moment
when the son of the sitting President of the United
States was found guilty. It happened very quickly. Biden showed
no emotion.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Joe Biden thought that Hunter would be acquitted. He would
not be guilty. You'd be determined not guilty. And once
that happened, he could say, well, the system worked. If
he'd been guilty, he would have had to serve. But
I trusted the jury, and y'all need to trust the jury.
In the Donald Trump Cave.
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Like the Curly Q Cord immortalized and Sleepless in Seattle,
the landline connects us to the past. Twenty six percent
of American adults still have a landline.
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I highly encourage people to do away with the land.
Highly encourage and to put your phone away, to turn
your phone off for long periods of time.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Sunday, June sixteenth is Father's Day.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I ever thought to.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Take that and be granted. Just listen to the rank
still remember eavying eire me learn and how to be
my own man.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
My dad literally never missed an event that I hadn't
put that into perspective. He never missed a school event,
He never missed a sporting event, anything where a parent
was allowed to be He never missed, not one time.
That kind of presence sends a very strong message to
a child. For me, that was a sign of his love.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Happy Father's Day, Oh for they turn off all the lights.
I won't read you your arms or your rimes.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
If you guessed mid June got yourself on the back,
that is correct. It was June fourteenth, after Father's Day.
I received an email from a listener I do not
know by the name of Chelsea Tillman. You told me
about a fellow named Mark Vorderbrugen goes by the name Merriweather.
(03:07):
He is described as a scientist raised by wolves, and
he has books entitled Idiot's Guide to Foraging and Outdoor
Adventure Guide's Foraging. We found this audio clip of him.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Hi.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
I am doctor Mark Merriweather Vorderbrogen, creator of Foraging Texas,
author of Idiot's Guide Foraging, and co creator of the
Wazoo Survival Foraging Bandana with Nicole Apleon from Alone, Come
join me as we discover all the edible and medicinal
plants across Texas from East Texas, South Texas, the hill Country,
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the Panhandle in West Texas. We are loaded with all
sorts of really wonderful plants, and I want to share
them with you.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I love it when people have zero self awareness or
zero care what people think about them, and they just
dork out on something of great interest to them.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
It feels very wholesome and good. So we tracked this
gentleman down who goes by the medicine Man, and he
is our guest Mark. Do you prefer I call you
Mark or Merriweather?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Well, let's go with Merriweather. That's what most people know
me as out in the wild.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I'll call you whatever.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Hey, dork works fine too, plant dork.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You know, I don't care if it's guns or engines
or log cabin building. I think that people don't give
me your politics, I don't want to know them, don't
ruin it for me. But I find that people who
dork out or geek out on something and they just
dig deeper history, whatever that may be foreign language, I
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find that they're generally much happier in a content sort
of way, because I think your brain synapses are firing
and you're not letting the news agencies or or the
neighbors determine your mood. And you start to you start
to get some traction, You start to build a knowledge base,
and I think there's a certain comfort and happiness in
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all of that that leads to a contentment. How did
you get I want to get into your professional background
in a moment, but how did you get into this
medicine man thing?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So my original plan was to become a pharmaceutical scientist
working for Pfizer or something like that, but I focused
on natural products throughout my grad school career and the
just why reinvent the wheel? I mean everything is already here,
and so it basically I'm lazy. I would rather take
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a molecule made by a mushroom, by a plant, and
use it to help people rather than try and come
up with some brand new molecule.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Well, then let's talk about mushrooms. How deep do you
get into the mushroom craze.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
I'm trying to figure out how to answer that without
ending up in trouble in the law.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well, I mean, how deep into the psychedelic side do
you go?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
So the research is really excellent on that. There's a
lot of benefits, and there's some really good anthropological studies
that suggests the whole reason human's brain developed to be
the fantastic machine that it is was due to the
psychedelic mushrooms. I think there is a lot of benefit,
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to the point where I've actually worked on coming up
with a series of herbal supplements, not currently for sale,
but to help before, during, and after a repair work
being done by the mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I don't know what you just said. Do you take
mushrooms for psychedelic benefit? I have in the past, and
why has there been I'll just be completely honest. I
never did drugs going up growing up because I was
afraid of addiction and I had seen people in the
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throes of pretty much every addiction. And secondly, I don't
like to not be in control. The people I know
who have gotten into mushrooms and the kind of psychedelic
trip and all that are people who are very comfortable
letting go and taking a journey in their mind. And
that scares me. How So, I don't like the idea
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that if this thing goes goes south, I can't stop it.
I don't like not being able. I don't like not
I don't like being out of control of my own
emotions and and and you know where my mind is
is going. And I guess, look, I don't. I don't
suspend reality. Well for movies, I can't watch sci fi
movies because I'm not a person that can let go.
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I'm a I'm a documentary guy. I like the truth.
I like fact.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You know, it may make me boring or one dimensional.
It's just I understand my limitations. And everyone I know
who has gotten into this mushroom craze which I want
to talk about, why this has has caught on the
way it has in a moment, they are people who
are just better able to let go, if that makes sense.
I'm not a roller coaster guy.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I don't get a thrill out of you know, having
the you know, but Jesus scared out of me. Hold
on with me for just a moment. Merriweather Vorderbrugen, the
Medicine Man.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Are it's been before? See what condition my condition was? Did?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Merriweather Vorderbrogging, known as the Medicine Man. You can find
his website at Foraging Texas dot com. Meriweather, let me
step back for a moment. What got you so interested
in the natural world and particularly uh consuming the natural world?
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And and it was this a childhood? Was it a
person who influenced you? Was it reading? What? What was it?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
It was kind of all of the above. Both my
parents are big into nature, and they would take me
and my siblings out into the wild every day just
because they loved being out there. And while they were there,
we'd gather up stuff that they used to eat when
they were kids. They were children of the Great Depression,
small farming community, and so it just became one of
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those things that our family did. And then I continued
on and once I saw, wow, there's food out here,
I started gathering up the books at a very young age,
you know, the Peterson's Guide to Wild Level plants, Yuill Gibbons,
things like that, and just kept learning more and more
because I just thought it was really neat. Plus, you know,
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I'm six five and two hundred pounds. I'm always hungry,
so being able to constantly feed myself was definitely a benefit.
And it didn't occur to me that other people didn't
have a similar upbringing. So when people figured out that, hey,
I know this stuff, they became very interested in learning
it from me.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I've read a lot about Germany between World War One
and World War Two, and so much of it gets
lost into what became obviously concentration camps and Nazism and
war and all these horrible things. But there were some
interesting things happening at that time with literature and music
and lifestyle. And yes, there was a U movement, but
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before that movement was perverted, there was a movement toward
health and exercise in the great outdoors. And there was
something you may have heard of called the Vandervogel movement
of the twenties, and I've always been fascinated by this,
and it was this idea of teaching young people the
joys of nature, to go on heights and they would
sing while they were out there, and it was to
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get you in touch with yourself and with your humanity
and as part of nature and all this. And I've
always thought it was a very interesting thing, and it
sounds a lot about It sounds a lot like the
journey you've been on.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Most definitely. And something I've come to realize is the
modern world is not what our bodies are designed for.
Humans Homo sapiens have been around for it three hundred
thousand years. It's only been like the last fifteen thousand
of that that we've really you know, figured out agriculture,
domesticating animals and things like that. So we belong outside.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yes, let's talk about foraging, all right. I want you
to start on the very simple. All right, we're going
to insult your your vast nose. Just start on a
very simple Let's drop Ramon out into you pick the
location in Texas, and he's going to start walking, and
he has no food with him. What are the ways
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he's going to know what he can and cannot eat?
What are some simple rules?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Okay, So what you're asking is there's some rules of
thumb that you can use to identify a edible plant.
And unfortunately, the answer is no, just randomly eating things
you find. You might have heard or some people out
there may have heard. It's called the universal edibility test.
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Or you take a piece of a plant, you rub
it on your arm, you wait an hour. You rub
it on the inside of your lip, you wait an hour,
You nibble a little bit, you wait an hour or
to see if there's any negative effects. That's a really
good way of ending up requiring a liver transplant. So
when it boils down to it, you kind of have
to know in advance. In the US military, in the
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Air Force, one of the things that pilots are issued
if they're flying over enemy territories is a map, and
along the edge of the map are key edible plants
that for that specific area where they will be flying,
so they at least have some idea if they get
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shut down and are trying to escape and evade, which
are the plants that they can safely eat. Just walking
out into the woods and trying to decide if the
plant is edible or not, that's not going to work.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
When you are foraging in Texas, let's say the Greater
Houston area, whether it's a little bit to the east
and the piney woods. But you know, we kind of
have a topography and soil. It's sort of consistent for
this region. I guess it would be prairie. What are
a couple of things that you particularly like the forage?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
So right now, the wild onions are popping up and
they are absolutely delicious and very easy to identify because
they look like the chives you buy in the store.
The wild violets are another thing. They're very high in
vitamin A, vitamin C. They taste good. You can use
some raw, you can use some cooked. And they have
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these very distinctive heart shaped leaves with the stem of
the leaf that goes down into the ground and connects
to a tuber under there. The bitter cress, which is
in the mustard family. It tastes like horseradish. I'm a
big fan of roast venison sandwiches with bress bitter crests
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on it. Some of the few there, the hen bit
will be showing up here soon are starting to appear.
Chickweed is out in abundance, so is cucumber weed. I'm
basically just looking out my window into my backyard.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Where are you?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
And I'm up in springs Okay, let me ask.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
You a question, Marywether. His website is Foraging Texas dot com.
I have noticed, now they're not one hundred percent, but
I have noticed that dogs have a very good sense
of what to eat and what not to eat. Everybody
has a story of their dog eating something they shouldn't
have they got in trouble, but by and large, they
seem to have almost an innate instinctive knowledge or sense
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of what they should and shouldn't eat. Is that true?
And if so, is that true?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yes, wild animals or animals in general, they have a
good idea because that's again where they used to get
their food. The dog has been somewhat domesticated by us,
but it still does have some of the wolf like ins.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Things interesting, and let's talk a little bit about how
you got into this. You started life in the oil
patch and then you went back to school to learn
about that. Let's start with where you were born. And
I think you're from Minnesota. Did I read that somewhere?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yes, correct, Minesota.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
You know Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota accent. But get
us up to the present.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Yeah, so born and raised in central Minnesota, a small
farming community up there, and then did my undergraduate out
in South Dakota. So I was out there for four years,
and then continued on to get the Masters in Medicinal
chemistry and PhD in Physical organic chemistry in upstate New
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York at a school called Renssela or Polytechnic, which is
actually one of the oldest science schools in the nation.
They just celebrated their two hundredth anniversary this year focused
on natural products. And then when I graduated, at the time,
I really didn't like New York, and I was engaged
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to a very lovely woman and she had done her
undergraduate in Houston, and she pointed out that Houston has
the highest concentration of chemistry and computers. I was in chemistry,
she was in computers. We moved back to Houston, and
two weeks later I was actually employed by the oil
industry to use my knowledge of natural products and green
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chemistry and environmentally friendly chemistry to redo a lot of
the oil field chemicals that are used to get the
oil and gas out of the ground.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Hold with me for a moment, just a moment. His
name is Meriweather border Rug and he goes by the
name of the Medicine Man, and you can learn more
about him at Foraging Texas dot com. I can see
you out for if you don't want to hear it,
I can cast away with Duran and stay around and
eating fairies, and the Medicine Man is our guest. You
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can find his website at Foragingtexas dot com. Meriweather, let
me ask you a question. You probably know the name
Eule Gibbons. He was kind of an outdoorsmn and he
described himself earlier in his career as a bendel stuff
guy that just lived off the land, kind of homestead
and he struggled to keep a job. He went through
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a phase as a communist. He wrote leaflets and he
said he wasn't lazy, he just didn't see himself working
a nine to five job. But he developed something of
a relationship as a guy who lived off the land
and foraged and ate natural foods. And then in I
think this ad is from I don't know what year
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it is, but it's him out out on the side
of a mountain. There's there's pine trees there and he's
endorsing grape nuts. Give this a listener moment.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
I'm your Gibbons I've spent years learning about natural foods.
Every eat of pine tree, many parts are edible. Natural
ingredients are important to me. That's why post grape nuts
is part of my breakfast. This wholesome cereal is made
from wheat and barley. These natural ingredients are baked into
crunchy nuggets and fortified with vitamins. It's naturally sweet taste
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reminds me of wild heckory nuts. I call grape nuts
my back to nature cereal.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Pretty effective propaganda. And it strikes me that many corporations
try to make us think that the product on the
shelf at the grocery store just came from nature five
minutes earlier, because so many people are looking for that.
What do we lose primarily when we take a box
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of cereal off the shelves, which doctors now tell me
none of it's any good for you versus what you're encouraging,
which is foraging for food in its natural environment.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Well, I truly believe the more machines that touch your food,
the worse it actually is for you. It is not
something that we really were designed to ingest. And that's
with my medicine, nplant Co Dot Com products, nothing in
any of those is newer than about fourteen thousand years old.
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No artificial ingredients or anything like that. But going back
to the natural side, we know that we need vitamin
C and vitamin D and these minerals and so forth.
You know, the FDA has come up with this list
of thirty two vitamins and minerals that if we don't get,
you know, within like a two week period, we are
going to start showing health issues. My thing is, what
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about the long tail nutrients? These are other compounds that
are found in the plants, in the mushrooms, even in
the animal that we don't need much of and on
a regular basis, But at the same time, if we're
not getting it for years and years and years, we
start developing health issues. And if you've been watching the news,
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the stomach cancer and digestive cancer, digestive tract cancers are
just outrageously high in young people right now, and they're
wondering why is this. At the same time, they're also
saying that fifty to seventy percent of the food that
the young people are eating is all this processed stuff.
So it kind of seems to me, there's you know,
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you can't say correlation is causation, but there's a damn
lot of correlation going on.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Meriweather. You started that statement with a reference to the
FDA and my firm position, and this is not an
anti intellectual position. This is a long journey to get here.
As far as I'm concerned, the FDA, F the Medical Association,
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F big pharma, F big education, F big military, I
think that all of them, F big media. I think
all of them have been corrupted. I don't mind people
making a profit. I hope you make a profit after.
I hope after we have this conversation that someone who's
interested in what you're doing and would like to experiment
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with that and explore it. I don't think that making
a profit makes something evil. But I think there are
just too many people who who grabbed hold of the
forms of production, the disseminated dissemination of information, without any
regard for the health of their fellow man, and we've
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ended up where we are. But the good news is,
I think there is a back to nature, back to
the individual, back to the household, and not just in
our food and everything we do approach. And I think
that's I think that's a good thing now are You're
not a vegetarian?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Oh no, no, I'm what I call an ancestral eater.
I try and eat as close to the diet that
we evolve to eat, rather than processed crap.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I'm sure news that work, okay? So like, what will
you eat today?
Speaker 4 (23:25):
So today I did have bacon and eggs, and then
mixed into the eggs were prickly pear cactus and garlic.
For lunch, I will have some pork shoulder from a
feral hog that I hunted for supper. I haven't quite
decided yet. They got to kind of wander through the
yard and see what's available.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Now, I'm not trying to disagree with you because I
do internet, I do intermittent fasting, and people love to say,
you know, one time last month you had brunt with
your family at noon, so you don't I'm not trying
to play gotcha, I'm not okay. But but if you're
you know, as in touch as you are with ancestral
eating and these behaviors, I find I believe that we
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were not meant to eat three meals a day, And
I'm interested in why.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
You do the main reason I do, And I was
doing that intimate and fasting, and it did actually help
a lot. But I'm a big guy, I'm hungry, I'm
constantly active. I'm burning a lot of calories.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Do you have a mohawk? I saw a picture on
your website. Do you have a moha? He's a mohawk.
Ramon would love to be able to grow hair so
you could have a mohawk.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
We're talking about foraging, which is food, sustin, it's vitamins
and nutrition. I made one flippant remark about psychedelics, and
you have not let that go. Like a dog with
the bone. You're going to reduce this poor man to
some you know, cauldron stirring Merlin psychedelic dope head. Huh well, right,
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pat that We're not going to do that on the air.
And then he gets raided by the DEA. Ten minutes
after we get off, I got an email from my
friend Donnie Roberts. His wife's name is Cornbread, and he said, hey, brother,
it's Donnie. This was from this morning. Cornbread got hit
this morning about five am when she was walking outside
by a copperhead. She was going to make coffee at
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the lodge. It was about a three footer, which is
very large for a copperhead. She had on fuzzy gray
colored house shoes, and I'm convinced the copperhead got her
because it looked like a rodent crossing the stone sidewalk.
So I notice you teach classes, Meriweather. You know everybody
wants to act like they don't, you know, they're just
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out to save society. I think it'd be good if
you can make a living at this. Can you make
a living at this?
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Well? Between it and Medicine Men Plant Company, where I
do the herbal primaries and cavemen health guidance, and then
also a third thing called assisting creation, where I still
dabble with helping companies create new products. But yeah, I
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basically I get paid to go for walks in the woods,
and who pays you them? So normally I work with
some host organizations, say Texas Parks and Wildlife, Texas Historic
Society and Science Museum, things like that, and they will
host my classes and they'll take a cut and I'll
take could cut. And then on the Medicine Mnplant Code
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dot Com, I formulate everything. I do. Have a packer
that takes my formulations and blends them and encapsulates them,
and then it's back to me to sell the products.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Do you handle fulfillment or do they handle that for you?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
So my daughter actually does okay and keep it in
the family.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
No, No, I'm always interested how people can find an
interesting way. I also find that when people do what
you're doing and other people are trying to figure out, well,
how in the hell do you make a living that
you also keep your expenses low and very much. I
like to imagine you don't ruin it if not that
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you're out in a cabin, you know, out kind of
off the grid a little bit, and you got some
old nineteen seventy eight truck and you keep your expenses
extraordinarily low, debt free. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
In the planning. Oh yeah, but at the time, you know,
there was family and kids and all that.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
So if you where is your next foraging class, like,
what would be a place that you will take your
next group of in the.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Next one I have? Yeah, the next one I have
schedule will be up in Wimberley at a place called
Spoke Hollow Outfitters. It's a thousand acre ranch on the
outskirts of Wimberly and they specialize they call themselves an
outdoor academy. If you want to learn how to go
fly fishing, they'll teach you. If you want to learn
how to do upland bird hunting, and they'll teach you.
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What's it called spoke Hollow Outfitters. Okay, yeah, they're an
amazing group of people.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
But it's just interesting because we spend time in Colorado
and Wyoming, and you know, every ten feet there's another
outfit and you just don't see that very much here,
and there are things to do here and people who
want to do it. One of our show sponsors, Exciting Outdoors,
takes people mostly well most of them Texas not all
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down to a cast and blast hunt at a beautiful
lodge in Argentina and they are booked year round, you know,
with dove hunts and all sorts of bird hunts. I mean,
I think people want more and more of this, and
they want to get disconnected from their damn phone and
their computer and the office. I really do. I think.
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Now I want to ask you a question. I want
you to just with one word respond on your website
Foraging Texas dot com. You've got trees edible and medicinal.
I will call it out and you tell me how
it tastes or something about it. But you only have
a split second. Okay, okay, alleghany, chinkapin.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Jickorea not upsets two wards, It's okay.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
You can do two words.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Vickory.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
If I mispronounced it, you just corrected, and then say
it basswood.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Linden, sugar, cookie, bay.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
This guy can sell mm.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Hm, what was the last bay.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I'm assuming that's like bay leaves.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Oh yeah, bay, beach, pink a pin, bitter orange, bitters,
black walnut, talktailed walnut.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Bottle brush, minty. I like minty box, elder.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Maple, cedar, juniper, gin.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Chased, vitex am I pronouncing that.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Right, yeah, pepper, coral bean, green beans, cottonwood, bitter.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Devil's walking stick, celery, elderberry.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
This guy's quick.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
He might just be making it up.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
He's good fruity, and your mother smells of elderberry, Elma,
bitter farkleberry.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I just like the name of that one.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Raisins Ginko cheese.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
What is ginko blowba?
Speaker 4 (31:39):
That is an ancient tree from Asia.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I had a I had a guy I worked with
at a law firm, and he was all into nutritional
supplements and he I think it was ginko. He told me,
would how best to say? This would allow you increased virility.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
You're heard that one of the uses. Okay, yeah, I
actually use it.
Speaker 9 (32:10):
Sweet hackberry dessert a desert sorry, yeah, orange, hawthorn, parsley apple, uh, hickory,
shag bark, nutty, holly, jopon tea, hop hornbeam, bitter.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Oh, low quat, you got loquats on a low quatter
and you got mayhall. My grandmother used to make mayhaul
jelly mother Meriweather.
Speaker 9 (32:44):
You are you are?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You're an interesting cat. I'm glad to know there are
people out there like you, you know, not just the
run of the mill doing the normal thing. The world
is your oyster. You're exploring, you're trying new things. You're
you're charting your own path. I love it. You can
find them at Foraging Texas dot com and then you
can find links to all his other websites. Thanks for
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spending some time with us. I've enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
My pleasure always trying to connect people to nature. There
you go, What.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Are you trying to do?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Ormon?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
He's trying to connect people to the nature. What are
you doing. You're buying his nature, Okay, all right,
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
And now a totally random week in review from the past.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Take a guess when this was.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
That song takes me to a place being six seven
years old, sitting in front of the TV bowl of
cereal on the bean Bang and it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Was time for Captain Kangaroo.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Was there anything better?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
My goodness. Hunter Biden has been found guilty on all
counts in his federal trial in Wilmington, Delaware. Extraordinary moment
when the son of the sitting President of the United
States was found guilty. It happened very quickly. Biden showed
no emotion.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Joe Biden thought that Hunter would be acquitted. He would
not be guilty. You'd be determined not guilty. And once
that happened, he could say, well, the system worked. If
he'd been guilty, he would have had to serve. But
I trusted the jury, and y'all need to trust the jury.
In the Donald Trump Cave.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Like the Curly Q Cord immortalized and Sleepless in Seattle,
the landline connects us to the past. Twenty six percent
of American adults still have a landline.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I highly encourage people to do away with the land.
Highly encourage and to put your phone away, to turn
your phone off for long periods of time.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Sunday, June sixteenth is Father's Day.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I ever thought to.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Take that and be granted. Just listen to the rank
still remember eavying eire me learn and how to be
my own man.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
My dad literally never missed an event that I hadn't
put that into perspective. He never missed a school event,
He never missed a sporting event, anything where a parent
was allowed to be He never missed, not one time.
That kind of presence sends a very strong message to
a child. For me, that was a sign of his love.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Happy Father's Day, Oh for they turn off all the lights.
I won't read you your arms or your rimes.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
If you guessed mid June got yourself on the back,
that is correct. It was June fourteenth, after Father's Day.
I received an email from a listener I do not
know by the name of Chelsea Tillman. You told me
about a fellow named Mark Vorderbrugen goes by the name Merriweather.
(03:07):
He is described as a scientist raised by wolves, and
he has books entitled Idiot's Guide to Foraging and Outdoor
Adventure Guide's Foraging. We found this audio clip of him.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Hi.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
I am doctor Mark Merriweather Vorderbrogen, creator of Foraging Texas,
author of Idiot's Guide Foraging, and co creator of the
Wazoo Survival Foraging Bandana with Nicole Apleon from Alone, Come
join me as we discover all the edible and medicinal
plants across Texas from East Texas, South Texas, the hill Country,
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the Panhandle in West Texas. We are loaded with all
sorts of really wonderful plants, and I want to share
them with you.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I love it when people have zero self awareness or
zero care what people think about them, and they just
dork out on something of great interest to them.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
It feels very wholesome and good. So we tracked this
gentleman down who goes by the medicine Man, and he
is our guest Mark. Do you prefer I call you
Mark or Merriweather?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Well, let's go with Merriweather. That's what most people know
me as out in the wild.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I'll call you whatever.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Hey, dork works fine too, plant dork.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You know, I don't care if it's guns or engines
or log cabin building. I think that people don't give
me your politics, I don't want to know them, don't
ruin it for me. But I find that people who
dork out or geek out on something and they just
dig deeper history, whatever that may be foreign language, I
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find that they're generally much happier in a content sort
of way, because I think your brain synapses are firing
and you're not letting the news agencies or or the
neighbors determine your mood. And you start to you start
to get some traction, You start to build a knowledge base,
and I think there's a certain comfort and happiness in
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all of that that leads to a contentment. How did
you get I want to get into your professional background
in a moment, but how did you get into this
medicine man thing?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So my original plan was to become a pharmaceutical scientist
working for Pfizer or something like that, but I focused
on natural products throughout my grad school career and the
just why reinvent the wheel? I mean everything is already here,
and so it basically I'm lazy. I would rather take
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a molecule made by a mushroom, by a plant, and
use it to help people rather than try and come
up with some brand new molecule.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Well, then let's talk about mushrooms. How deep do you
get into the mushroom craze.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
I'm trying to figure out how to answer that without
ending up in trouble in the law.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well, I mean, how deep into the psychedelic side do
you go?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
So the research is really excellent on that. There's a
lot of benefits, and there's some really good anthropological studies
that suggests the whole reason human's brain developed to be
the fantastic machine that it is was due to the
psychedelic mushrooms. I think there is a lot of benefit,
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to the point where I've actually worked on coming up
with a series of herbal supplements, not currently for sale,
but to help before, during, and after a repair work
being done by the mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I don't know what you just said. Do you take
mushrooms for psychedelic benefit? I have in the past, and
why has there been I'll just be completely honest. I
never did drugs going up growing up because I was
afraid of addiction and I had seen people in the
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throes of pretty much every addiction. And secondly, I don't
like to not be in control. The people I know
who have gotten into mushrooms and the kind of psychedelic
trip and all that are people who are very comfortable
letting go and taking a journey in their mind. And
that scares me. How So, I don't like the idea
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that if this thing goes goes south, I can't stop it.
I don't like not being able. I don't like not
I don't like being out of control of my own
emotions and and and you know where my mind is
is going. And I guess, look, I don't. I don't
suspend reality. Well for movies, I can't watch sci fi
movies because I'm not a person that can let go.
(08:21):
I'm a I'm a documentary guy. I like the truth.
I like fact.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You know, it may make me boring or one dimensional.
It's just I understand my limitations. And everyone I know
who has gotten into this mushroom craze which I want
to talk about, why this has has caught on the
way it has in a moment, they are people who
are just better able to let go, if that makes sense.
I'm not a roller coaster guy.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I don't get a thrill out of you know, having
the you know, but Jesus scared out of me. Hold
on with me for just a moment. Merriweather Vorderbrugen, the
Medicine Man.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Are it's been before? See what condition my condition was? Did?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Merriweather Vorderbrogging, known as the Medicine Man. You can find
his website at Foraging Texas dot com. Meriweather, let me
step back for a moment. What got you so interested
in the natural world and particularly uh consuming the natural world?
(09:25):
And and it was this a childhood? Was it a
person who influenced you? Was it reading? What? What was it?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
It was kind of all of the above. Both my
parents are big into nature, and they would take me
and my siblings out into the wild every day just
because they loved being out there. And while they were there,
we'd gather up stuff that they used to eat when
they were kids. They were children of the Great Depression,
small farming community, and so it just became one of
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those things that our family did. And then I continued
on and once I saw, wow, there's food out here,
I started gathering up the books at a very young age,
you know, the Peterson's Guide to Wild Level plants, Yuill Gibbons,
things like that, and just kept learning more and more
because I just thought it was really neat. Plus, you know,
(10:16):
I'm six five and two hundred pounds. I'm always hungry,
so being able to constantly feed myself was definitely a benefit.
And it didn't occur to me that other people didn't
have a similar upbringing. So when people figured out that, hey,
I know this stuff, they became very interested in learning
it from me.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I've read a lot about Germany between World War One
and World War Two, and so much of it gets
lost into what became obviously concentration camps and Nazism and
war and all these horrible things. But there were some
interesting things happening at that time with literature and music
and lifestyle. And yes, there was a U movement, but
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before that movement was perverted, there was a movement toward
health and exercise in the great outdoors. And there was
something you may have heard of called the Vandervogel movement
of the twenties, and I've always been fascinated by this,
and it was this idea of teaching young people the
joys of nature, to go on heights and they would
sing while they were out there, and it was to
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get you in touch with yourself and with your humanity
and as part of nature and all this. And I've
always thought it was a very interesting thing, and it
sounds a lot about It sounds a lot like the
journey you've been on.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Most definitely. And something I've come to realize is the
modern world is not what our bodies are designed for.
Humans Homo sapiens have been around for it three hundred
thousand years. It's only been like the last fifteen thousand
of that that we've really you know, figured out agriculture,
domesticating animals and things like that. So we belong outside.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yes, let's talk about foraging, all right. I want you
to start on the very simple. All right, we're going
to insult your your vast nose. Just start on a
very simple Let's drop Ramon out into you pick the
location in Texas, and he's going to start walking, and
he has no food with him. What are the ways
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he's going to know what he can and cannot eat?
What are some simple rules?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Okay, So what you're asking is there's some rules of
thumb that you can use to identify a edible plant.
And unfortunately, the answer is no, just randomly eating things
you find. You might have heard or some people out
there may have heard. It's called the universal edibility test.
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Or you take a piece of a plant, you rub
it on your arm, you wait an hour. You rub
it on the inside of your lip, you wait an hour,
You nibble a little bit, you wait an hour or
to see if there's any negative effects. That's a really
good way of ending up requiring a liver transplant. So
when it boils down to it, you kind of have
to know in advance. In the US military, in the
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Air Force, one of the things that pilots are issued
if they're flying over enemy territories is a map, and
along the edge of the map are key edible plants
that for that specific area where they will be flying,
so they at least have some idea if they get
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shut down and are trying to escape and evade, which
are the plants that they can safely eat. Just walking
out into the woods and trying to decide if the
plant is edible or not, that's not going to work.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
When you are foraging in Texas, let's say the Greater
Houston area, whether it's a little bit to the east
and the piney woods. But you know, we kind of
have a topography and soil. It's sort of consistent for
this region. I guess it would be prairie. What are
a couple of things that you particularly like the forage?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
So right now, the wild onions are popping up and
they are absolutely delicious and very easy to identify because
they look like the chives you buy in the store.
The wild violets are another thing. They're very high in
vitamin A, vitamin C. They taste good. You can use
some raw, you can use some cooked. And they have
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these very distinctive heart shaped leaves with the stem of
the leaf that goes down into the ground and connects
to a tuber under there. The bitter cress, which is
in the mustard family. It tastes like horseradish. I'm a
big fan of roast venison sandwiches with bress bitter crests
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on it. Some of the few there, the hen bit
will be showing up here soon are starting to appear.
Chickweed is out in abundance, so is cucumber weed. I'm
basically just looking out my window into my backyard.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Where are you?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
And I'm up in springs Okay, let me ask.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
You a question, Marywether. His website is Foraging Texas dot com.
I have noticed, now they're not one hundred percent, but
I have noticed that dogs have a very good sense
of what to eat and what not to eat. Everybody
has a story of their dog eating something they shouldn't
have they got in trouble, but by and large, they
seem to have almost an innate instinctive knowledge or sense
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of what they should and shouldn't eat. Is that true?
And if so, is that true?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yes, wild animals or animals in general, they have a
good idea because that's again where they used to get
their food. The dog has been somewhat domesticated by us,
but it still does have some of the wolf like ins.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Things interesting, and let's talk a little bit about how
you got into this. You started life in the oil
patch and then you went back to school to learn
about that. Let's start with where you were born. And
I think you're from Minnesota. Did I read that somewhere?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yes, correct, Minesota.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
You know Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota accent. But get
us up to the present.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Yeah, so born and raised in central Minnesota, a small
farming community up there, and then did my undergraduate out
in South Dakota. So I was out there for four years,
and then continued on to get the Masters in Medicinal
chemistry and PhD in Physical organic chemistry in upstate New
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York at a school called Renssela or Polytechnic, which is
actually one of the oldest science schools in the nation.
They just celebrated their two hundredth anniversary this year focused
on natural products. And then when I graduated, at the time,
I really didn't like New York, and I was engaged
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to a very lovely woman and she had done her
undergraduate in Houston, and she pointed out that Houston has
the highest concentration of chemistry and computers. I was in chemistry,
she was in computers. We moved back to Houston, and
two weeks later I was actually employed by the oil
industry to use my knowledge of natural products and green
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chemistry and environmentally friendly chemistry to redo a lot of
the oil field chemicals that are used to get the
oil and gas out of the ground.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Hold with me for a moment, just a moment. His
name is Meriweather border Rug and he goes by the
name of the Medicine Man, and you can learn more
about him at Foraging Texas dot com. I can see
you out for if you don't want to hear it,
I can cast away with Duran and stay around and
eating fairies, and the Medicine Man is our guest. You
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can find his website at Foragingtexas dot com. Meriweather, let
me ask you a question. You probably know the name
Eule Gibbons. He was kind of an outdoorsmn and he
described himself earlier in his career as a bendel stuff
guy that just lived off the land, kind of homestead
and he struggled to keep a job. He went through
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a phase as a communist. He wrote leaflets and he
said he wasn't lazy, he just didn't see himself working
a nine to five job. But he developed something of
a relationship as a guy who lived off the land
and foraged and ate natural foods. And then in I
think this ad is from I don't know what year
(18:54):
it is, but it's him out out on the side
of a mountain. There's there's pine trees there and he's
endorsing grape nuts. Give this a listener moment.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
I'm your Gibbons I've spent years learning about natural foods.
Every eat of pine tree, many parts are edible. Natural
ingredients are important to me. That's why post grape nuts
is part of my breakfast. This wholesome cereal is made
from wheat and barley. These natural ingredients are baked into
crunchy nuggets and fortified with vitamins. It's naturally sweet taste
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reminds me of wild heckory nuts. I call grape nuts
my back to nature cereal.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Pretty effective propaganda. And it strikes me that many corporations
try to make us think that the product on the
shelf at the grocery store just came from nature five
minutes earlier, because so many people are looking for that.
What do we lose primarily when we take a box
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of cereal off the shelves, which doctors now tell me
none of it's any good for you versus what you're encouraging,
which is foraging for food in its natural environment.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Well, I truly believe the more machines that touch your food,
the worse it actually is for you. It is not
something that we really were designed to ingest. And that's
with my medicine, nplant Co Dot Com products, nothing in
any of those is newer than about fourteen thousand years old.
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No artificial ingredients or anything like that. But going back
to the natural side, we know that we need vitamin
C and vitamin D and these minerals and so forth.
You know, the FDA has come up with this list
of thirty two vitamins and minerals that if we don't get,
you know, within like a two week period, we are
going to start showing health issues. My thing is, what
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about the long tail nutrients? These are other compounds that
are found in the plants, in the mushrooms, even in
the animal that we don't need much of and on
a regular basis, But at the same time, if we're
not getting it for years and years and years, we
start developing health issues. And if you've been watching the news,
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the stomach cancer and digestive cancer, digestive tract cancers are
just outrageously high in young people right now, and they're
wondering why is this. At the same time, they're also
saying that fifty to seventy percent of the food that
the young people are eating is all this processed stuff.
So it kind of seems to me, there's you know,
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you can't say correlation is causation, but there's a damn
lot of correlation going on.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Meriweather. You started that statement with a reference to the
FDA and my firm position, and this is not an
anti intellectual position. This is a long journey to get here.
As far as I'm concerned, the FDA, F the Medical Association,
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F big pharma, F big education, F big military, I
think that all of them, F big media. I think
all of them have been corrupted. I don't mind people
making a profit. I hope you make a profit after.
I hope after we have this conversation that someone who's
interested in what you're doing and would like to experiment
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with that and explore it. I don't think that making
a profit makes something evil. But I think there are
just too many people who who grabbed hold of the
forms of production, the disseminated dissemination of information, without any
regard for the health of their fellow man, and we've
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ended up where we are. But the good news is,
I think there is a back to nature, back to
the individual, back to the household, and not just in
our food and everything we do approach. And I think
that's I think that's a good thing now are You're
not a vegetarian?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Oh no, no, I'm what I call an ancestral eater.
I try and eat as close to the diet that
we evolve to eat, rather than processed crap.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I'm sure news that work, okay? So like, what will
you eat today?
Speaker 4 (23:25):
So today I did have bacon and eggs, and then
mixed into the eggs were prickly pear cactus and garlic.
For lunch, I will have some pork shoulder from a
feral hog that I hunted for supper. I haven't quite
decided yet. They got to kind of wander through the
yard and see what's available.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Now, I'm not trying to disagree with you because I
do internet, I do intermittent fasting, and people love to say,
you know, one time last month you had brunt with
your family at noon, so you don't I'm not trying
to play gotcha, I'm not okay. But but if you're
you know, as in touch as you are with ancestral
eating and these behaviors, I find I believe that we
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were not meant to eat three meals a day, And
I'm interested in why.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
You do the main reason I do, And I was
doing that intimate and fasting, and it did actually help
a lot. But I'm a big guy, I'm hungry, I'm
constantly active. I'm burning a lot of calories.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Do you have a mohawk? I saw a picture on
your website. Do you have a moha? He's a mohawk.
Ramon would love to be able to grow hair so
you could have a mohawk.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
We're talking about foraging, which is food, sustin, it's vitamins
and nutrition. I made one flippant remark about psychedelics, and
you have not let that go. Like a dog with
the bone. You're going to reduce this poor man to
some you know, cauldron stirring Merlin psychedelic dope head. Huh well, right,
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pat that We're not going to do that on the air.
And then he gets raided by the DEA. Ten minutes
after we get off, I got an email from my
friend Donnie Roberts. His wife's name is Cornbread, and he said, hey, brother,
it's Donnie. This was from this morning. Cornbread got hit
this morning about five am when she was walking outside
by a copperhead. She was going to make coffee at
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the lodge. It was about a three footer, which is
very large for a copperhead. She had on fuzzy gray
colored house shoes, and I'm convinced the copperhead got her
because it looked like a rodent crossing the stone sidewalk.
So I notice you teach classes, Meriweather. You know everybody
wants to act like they don't, you know, they're just
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out to save society. I think it'd be good if
you can make a living at this. Can you make
a living at this?
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Well? Between it and Medicine Men Plant Company, where I
do the herbal primaries and cavemen health guidance, and then
also a third thing called assisting creation, where I still
dabble with helping companies create new products. But yeah, I
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basically I get paid to go for walks in the woods,
and who pays you them? So normally I work with
some host organizations, say Texas Parks and Wildlife, Texas Historic
Society and Science Museum, things like that, and they will
host my classes and they'll take a cut and I'll
take could cut. And then on the Medicine Mnplant Code
(27:04):
dot Com, I formulate everything. I do. Have a packer
that takes my formulations and blends them and encapsulates them,
and then it's back to me to sell the products.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Do you handle fulfillment or do they handle that for you?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
So my daughter actually does okay and keep it in
the family.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
No, No, I'm always interested how people can find an
interesting way. I also find that when people do what
you're doing and other people are trying to figure out, well,
how in the hell do you make a living that
you also keep your expenses low and very much. I
like to imagine you don't ruin it if not that
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you're out in a cabin, you know, out kind of
off the grid a little bit, and you got some
old nineteen seventy eight truck and you keep your expenses
extraordinarily low, debt free. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
In the planning. Oh yeah, but at the time, you know,
there was family and kids and all that.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
So if you where is your next foraging class, like,
what would be a place that you will take your
next group of in the.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Next one I have? Yeah, the next one I have
schedule will be up in Wimberley at a place called
Spoke Hollow Outfitters. It's a thousand acre ranch on the
outskirts of Wimberly and they specialize they call themselves an
outdoor academy. If you want to learn how to go
fly fishing, they'll teach you. If you want to learn
how to do upland bird hunting, and they'll teach you.
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What's it called spoke Hollow Outfitters. Okay, yeah, they're an
amazing group of people.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
But it's just interesting because we spend time in Colorado
and Wyoming, and you know, every ten feet there's another
outfit and you just don't see that very much here,
and there are things to do here and people who
want to do it. One of our show sponsors, Exciting Outdoors,
takes people mostly well most of them Texas not all
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down to a cast and blast hunt at a beautiful
lodge in Argentina and they are booked year round, you know,
with dove hunts and all sorts of bird hunts. I mean,
I think people want more and more of this, and
they want to get disconnected from their damn phone and
their computer and the office. I really do. I think.
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Now I want to ask you a question. I want
you to just with one word respond on your website
Foraging Texas dot com. You've got trees edible and medicinal.
I will call it out and you tell me how
it tastes or something about it. But you only have
a split second. Okay, okay, alleghany, chinkapin.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Jickorea not upsets two wards, It's okay.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
You can do two words.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Vickory.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
If I mispronounced it, you just corrected, and then say
it basswood.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Linden, sugar, cookie, bay.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
This guy can sell mm.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Hm, what was the last bay.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I'm assuming that's like bay leaves.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Oh yeah, bay, beach, pink a pin, bitter orange, bitters,
black walnut, talktailed walnut.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Bottle brush, minty. I like minty box, elder.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Maple, cedar, juniper, gin.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Chased, vitex am I pronouncing that.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Right, yeah, pepper, coral bean, green beans, cottonwood, bitter.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Devil's walking stick, celery, elderberry.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
This guy's quick.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
He might just be making it up.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
He's good fruity, and your mother smells of elderberry, Elma,
bitter farkleberry.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I just like the name of that one.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Raisins Ginko cheese.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
What is ginko blowba?
Speaker 4 (31:39):
That is an ancient tree from Asia.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I had a I had a guy I worked with
at a law firm, and he was all into nutritional
supplements and he I think it was ginko. He told me,
would how best to say? This would allow you increased virility.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
You're heard that one of the uses. Okay, yeah, I
actually use it.
Speaker 9 (32:10):
Sweet hackberry dessert a desert sorry, yeah, orange, hawthorn, parsley apple, uh, hickory,
shag bark, nutty, holly, jopon tea, hop hornbeam, bitter.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Oh, low quat, you got loquats on a low quatter
and you got mayhall. My grandmother used to make mayhaul
jelly mother Meriweather.
Speaker 9 (32:44):
You are you are?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You're an interesting cat. I'm glad to know there are
people out there like you, you know, not just the
run of the mill doing the normal thing. The world
is your oyster. You're exploring, you're trying new things. You're
you're charting your own path. I love it. You can
find them at Foraging Texas dot com and then you
can find links to all his other websites. Thanks for
(33:09):
spending some time with us. I've enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
My pleasure always trying to connect people to nature. There
you go, What.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Are you trying to do?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Ormon?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
He's trying to connect people to the nature. What are
you doing. You're buying his nature, Okay, all right,
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