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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Michael Berry Show. I talked earlier in the week
about hate crimes. Welcome to the Bonus Podcast. By the way,
I talked earlier in the week about hate crimes and
how the left is very clever. They get everybody to
agree hate crimes are bad. Okay, yeah, we all agree
hate crimes are bad because we have an idea of
what a hate crime is. And then they define your

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very existence as a hate crime. If you are a
white person, if you don't want to expand welfare, hate crime,
if you want to close the border, hate crime. They
use these terms and their newfound power to turn it
as a cudgel against anyone who disagrees with their liberal

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takeover of our country. That's the basis of today's Bonus podcast.
Investigative journalist and author Tyler O'Neil joined peger u's Marissa
Strike for an in depth discussion about one of the
most controversial organizations in American politics, the Southern Poverty Law Center.
An evil, evil group of monsters. Let me just start

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by saying that Tyler O'Neill exposes how the SPLC designates
mainstream conservative and Christian groups as so called hate groups.
How do they do it. They just call them hate groups,
and then they show up on lists of hate groups,
and then the media says they're a hate group. And

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nobody knows how they got the title, but the SPLC,
that's what they do. They designate hate groups, so anybody
who disagrees with them, you're a hate group. All the
while they overlook or really shield and protect far left
activists like Antifa. Of course they're not a hate group,

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they just burn down buildings. In their conversation, you're going
to hear Tyler O'Neill reveal how the Southern Poverty Law Center,
they're notorious hate map has not only shaped media narratives,
but it's actually influenced government policies. Big tech uses it

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to suppress dissenting voices and in some case, in some
cases it sparked real world violence. You see, once the SPLC,
they're in charge of who's good and who's bad. Once
they say you're bad, then technology companies and governments they go,

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oh they're bad. Okay, Well, if they're bad, then they
can't be on this site. They can't have opinions here.
But the investigation goes further taller. O'Neill's doing great work
He connects the dots between radical activist groups like Antifa
and the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, highlighting their involvement

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in anti ice riots in Los Angeles even as they
receive taxpayer funding. As I've said many times, folks, these
are very sophisticated, very well funded, very well coordinated efforts
to destroy our country. None of it is accidental.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Tyler, Welcome to Prager you.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
I am so glad that you reached out to us
about the SBOC, because I think that it has become
a very big conversation because the SBLC, the Southern Poverty
Law Center that claims to fight hate speech, is actually
a hate watchdog, and it's been attacking Turning Point USA,
it's been attacking Prager You, and they have a track
record of causing real damage. And many people have been

(03:40):
asking me, well, you know, what, do you even care
about the SBLC. Nobody even cares about them, And so
I think to understand whether we should even care about
the SBOC, we need to understand who their partners are
and what kind of power do they have, and do
they even have enough power where we should pay attention
to what the Southern Poverty Law Center thinks or says

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about us.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yes, you should be very alarmed. I mean, I think
it's important for us. You know, a lot of people say,
if I'm on the hate map, on the Southern Property
Law Center's hate map, I count that as a badge
of honor because it shows that I'm doing something. There's
a little bit of truth to that. But if you
look at our culture is so bifurcated right now that

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people on the left, they don't know that the Southern
Poverty Law Center has no moral credibility. They don't know
most of the stuff in my book because they're consciously
blind to it, and because the left doesn't talk about it,
you know, the legacy media doesn't say, oh yeah, By
the way, the SPLC at a racial discrimination sexual harassment

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scandal in twenty nineteen that led them to fire their
co founder and then unionize, and now they have a
union union busting scandal. Like all of that, nobody ever
mentions it, and nobody mentions that a former employee said
that they have this hate for pay scheme where their
whole goal, their hate accusations are a highly profitable scam

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meant to builk northern liberals by saying Hey, you know,
there's so much hate in the South. You need to
give us money because we're fighting it. Meanwhile, you know,
there are so many people who when they pass away,
they say, in lieu of flowers, give money to the
Southern Poverty Law Center. Every time I see that, it,
you know, it hurts me. It makes me sad because

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that person is dedicating their memory to an organization that
is fundamentally corrupt. And we we on the right know this,
but on the left they use it all the time
because it's an effective weapon the silence conservatives.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
What I'd imagine that most of the people that are
listening in either associate the SPOC with the group that
sued the KKK and did some great things for civil
rights in the past, or they are saying, Marissa, why
are you even talking about the SPLC. Never heard about
some tiny little nonprofit completely irrelevant? Switched to another video,

(06:08):
Let me watch something else irrelevant. Right, most people will
think nothing of the SPLC because they're probably unaware of it,
and they don't realize that the work that the SPLC
is impacting every American today, which I would imagine is
the reason why you decided to dedicate so much time
studying the SPLC because they are relevantant And how did

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you get into this, Why did you decide to write
a book about the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Yeah, well, so there's so many different layers to this.
First off, I was at the Family Research Council in
the summer of twenty twelve. I was not there when
the shooting happened, thank god. But I don't know how
many people remember. There was a man who took the

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hate map from the Southern Poverty Law Center and used
it to find the Family Research Council and go in.
He had a bag of Chick fil A Chicken sandwiches
and a semi automatic pistol, and he told the FBI
his goal was to go to every single person in
that building and shoot them and smear a Chick fil
A sandwich in their face. And this was in the

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middle of you know, twenty twelve. Chick fil A had
gotten there was a controversy about them funding conservative Christian organizations,
and many people on the left, especially the LGBTQ activists,
they were saying they're funding hate and so this is coming.
This is an anti this is an lgbt hate crime

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that was committed that this guy came in. Thankfully that
the shooting didn't fully take place. There was a brave
building manager. He's not actually a security guard. He was
a building manager who stopped the would be shooter. He
got shot in the arm and it's a lifelong, debilitating injury.
But thank god that was the only thing that happened,

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because this man was planning to kill everyone in the building,
and he later told the FBI he used the SPLC
map to find and target the Family Research Council. So
when you were put on a map, you know, it
reminds me a little bit of the the Gabby Giffords
non scandal, where you know, her congressional district was put

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on a map of political targets and then later they said, oh,
when she got attacked, it was because of this map.
There was no connection. In this case, there's a very
clear connection with this SPLC hate map and this terrorist attack.
And to be fair, the SPLC did say immediately after
that that they condemned violence, they didn't want an attack

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like this, but at the same time, they've kept the
Family Research Council on the map and they've added even
more mainstream conservative and Christian organizations. Ever since and so
that issue, you know, that stood out to me because
I had I had gone to that very nonprofit and

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been sitting in the chairs outside the main the main
entrance where this shooting happened. And then there were lawsuits.
In the summer of twenty seventeen, there were about four
different news events that led me to really focus on
the SPLC. One of them was that a charity watchdog

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put it was guide Star put the SPLC hate group
labels on all of the organizations on the hate map.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
So the partner it was another organization.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Well and they yeah, so this is this is one
of these websites that you will go to to see,
oh is this nonprofit good? Should I give my money
to this nonprofit? And without going to all of these
groups that have been smeared by the SPLC, without like
taking a second to question this, guide Star just puts

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hate group SPLC designated hate group on these profiles and
that led to a lawsuit. Thankfully guide Star took that down.
But at the same time, Amazon Smile, which Amazon Smile
may rest in peace, no longer exists. But that was
a program that you would use so that every Amazon
purchase you made part of that part of the proceeds

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would go to a nonprofit, a charity of your choice.
They used the SPLC hate map to screen people out
and that was a big scandal. And then there was
a Muslim reformer by the name of Majid no Oaz
that the SPLC branded an anti Islamic extremist and he
sued and thankfully, you know, he got a three point

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five million dollar settlement.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Was that a defamation that?

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Yes, So the SPLC has faced a lot of defamation
lawsuits and we should probably get into that later. But
just answering your major question, I saw this organization for
what it was, and I was constantly you know, ringing,
you know, shouting from the rooftops about it. Then when
Charlottesville happens, the SPLC, like, first off, the SPLC had

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this map of Confederate monuments, and this Confederate monument map
which they put out when people were protesting violently at
these places. It included high schools, elementary schools, military bases.
And then they warn in the text of the map
they say, and these monuments which have inspired turmoil and

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bloodshd And this is one of the things that the
SPLC is out there doing while you're having these violent
protests and people knocking over statues. Now this was happening
in twenty seventeen. Then when Charlottesville happened, not only did
you get huge gifts to the SPLC from Apple, JP Morgan,
I think they gave million dollars.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
For seeing violence for the places around the.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
LC Essentially, I mean they were responding to this is
the way it is with the left. You have an
event that the left ties to the right and then says, oh,
now we need to silence anyone on the right, and
we need to give to these organizations that are silencing
people on the right. And of course that wasn't that

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wasn't the official narrative. The official narrative was hate is
rising in America. We need to give to this organization
that is constantly following hate, and so they gave a
lot of money. CNN plastered the hate map on their
website without any sort of you know, saying that this
is contested, any sort of negative stuff. And so all

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of this happening in twenty seventeen just showed me that
somebody needed to take the SPLC to task. And I
just got a fire in my belly and throughout the
next few years, as more and more happened, and then
as the big scandal broke in twenty nineteen, it was

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like a flash in the pan. You know, they fire
their co founder, the president steps down, one of the
members of their board steps down because she was she's
she's some big Joscelyn Benson, Secretary of State of Missouri.
She stepped down from the SPLC board in the midst
of this scandal because it was such a big scandal.

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And then suddenly crickets. The media is like, oh, drat,
we have to cover the scandal for like half a second,
and then oh, yeah, well, nothing's wrong at the SPLC.
Don't look. You know, nowadays the SPLC is sited in
the media and nobody even mentions the big scandal in
twenty nineteen. And so I'm like, if I didn't have
enough reason to write a book after twenty seventeen, after

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twenty nineteen, when the legacy media and the Democratic Party
tried to shove all of the SPLC skeletons into their closet,
I felt like I had no choice.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Well, the book that you wrote about them in twenty
seventeen is basically like a drama. It's unbelievable. I mean,
you don't need to watch Netflix, just read the book.
I mean, you can't make this up, this stuff up,
and so we'll talk about that, but I really want
to emphasize the significance of the fact that there is
this massive nonprofit right. They raise over one hundred and

(14:29):
seventy million dollars a year plus a massive endowment is
it's probably getting closer to a million.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
It's seven hundred and forty seven hundred and forty million
dollars in their about a billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
So they have just an obscene amount of money. And
you know, they're not a small thing. You mentioned that
they're connected with guide Star, and we'll talk about their
connection to the FBI later on, but they are very,
very significant, and they create a map and they put
their adversaries simply people they don't agree with. I mean,
what does Praguer You do? We make educational videos. So

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they're so threatened by prager used five minute videos that
they actually have to give out the location of where
Prager You is headquartered because we're considered a hate group.
Do people recognize how unbelievably dangerous it is to put
us in this kind of situation. You mentioned what happened

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with the FRC where they continuously put additional groups on
their hate map map. Meanwhile, we have is Antifa on
the SPLC's hate watch. Antifa is literally burnt down our cities.
We have Los Angeles burning down, supported by several nonprofits Churla.

(15:46):
Is the SPLC going to put Churla on their hate
watch map?

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yeah, I'm waiting they haven't. So this is the thing.
You get violence on the left right. The SPLC has
this map with conservative Christian nonprofits, and then with the KKK,
and with a few other groups like the Aryan Nations,
like you know, organizations that barely exist. Then with old

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chapters of the Ku Klux Klan that as far as
I know, don't really exist anymore, and then conservative groups
that they put on there to suggest that they're in
league with the Klan. And this is this is the thing.
Like last year they said in their report that the
hate Map is exposing the infrastructure of white supremacy, and

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this year they said that that turning Point USA is
all about defending white Christian supremacy. They're always going back
to the language of the clan because they know that
the point of Their map is to associate their political
opponents with the hatred with the worst hate group in America.

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And so when they put you on that hate map,
they are comparing you to the clan. They're saying you
are a similar threat. And they were bragging, you know,
in the Biden administration, they were bragging that federal law
enforcement came to them for advice on how to combat
the domestic terror threat. And this is something that they're
president and CEO Margaret Wong just said to her donors

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and said, this is the influence of our impact. And
you know, they have all of this, all of this
undue influence. They're a completely scandal ridden organization that is
just out there to silence their political opponents. And right
now they're they're in court. There's a really really strong

(17:40):
defamation lawsuit. I don't know how if I should just
keep going on. But there's this group in Georgia called
the Dustin Imn Society, and there group that opposes the
illegal immigration. They have four I think it is legal
immigrants on their board. They're not anti immigration overall. This
PLC is asked by the Associated Press in twenty eleven

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about this group and they say, well, we don't agree
with the dustin in In Society, but they're not a
hate group. Fast forward to twenty eighteen and they put
the dustin in In Society on the hate map right
at the same time as they register a lobbyist to
oppose a bill that the dustin Inman Society supported. So

(18:23):
right now there's a case where it's a strong defamation
case that made it past not to go too far
in the weeds, But in order to get a defamation
case to court, you have to clear a multiple hurdles,
and one of the biggest hurdles is getting to discovery.
They'll file a motion to dismiss. The SPLC is a

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slimy legal organization. They know exactly what they can do
to get out of most defamation cases. This was one
of the few defamation cases that even the most brilliant
lawyers of the SPLC couldn't wiggle their way out of.
Now they're going through documents, they're getting ready for a
trial on this case, and it is going to be

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one of the biggest cases that Americans should be watching.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
You talked a little bit about the scandals that Morris
d Is, the founder of the SPLC, was involved in
I mean there's a lot of very bizarre sexual stories,
things he made his wife do with some of the
employees there. I mean, if people want the graphic stuff,
they can read your book.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
You talked a little bit about.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
The racism that happened ironically at the SBLC, the way
they treated people of color, and then ultimately to clean
up the mess, they brought in Michelle Obama's former chief
of staff, who basically wiped the entire situation under the
rug and just got rid of Morris D's. But do
you think that the nefarious, bizarre culture within ThEC continues.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
It's very bizarre, very very bizarre.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Yes, so I think some of it is tied directly
to Morris D's. But there are institutional things of the
SPLC that really leave you scratching your head, Like why
does an organization that has a seven hundred and forty
million dollar endowment need offshore accounts in the Cayman Islands.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Why?

Speaker 4 (20:23):
I don't know. I'd really love to have the answer
to that question. I think there's a really good story there.
The left has unionized nonprofits. This is one of the
most bizarre things to come out of the scandal is
that the SPLC has its own union, and the union
is like the internal opposition to the SPLC's own leadership.

(20:45):
So what you get is this, you know, because because
the whole point of a union is to pit employees
against management. Right, So at a at a nonprofit, you
should never have a union because when you have a union,
it's the eloyees saying they're not being treated well by
the management. But when you're at a nonprofit, you believe

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in the mission. That's why you work at a nonprofit.
If you don't believe in the mission, if you don't trust,
leave the leadership. You'll leave because you take a pay
cut to work at a nonprofit. Theoretically, you you know,
this is the way nonprofits work. But the SPLC doesn't
follow those things. The SPLC has its own union, the
SPLC pays its leadership a lot. And but you know,

(21:30):
to answer your question, Tina Chen came in and she
all that happened was Morse D's and Richard Cohen.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Left and they were old at that point. Anyway, probably
they would have retired soon.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Yeah, And she she still has yet to release the
actual internal report. I don't think where that's ever going
to see the light of day. So we don't know
if any of any of that bad culture, any of that,
you know, rot some of the really disgusting sexual things
that Morris D's now granted, you know Morset's this was

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in a very big divorce case with his ex wife
in the nineteen eighties, and somehow, you know, he stays
as president of this group. It's because he was such
a brilliant guy in fundraising that his friends were willing
to overlook a great deal. And so these the racial

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discrimination and sexual harassment claims that really hit the fan
in twenty nineteen, they weren't new. People have been talking
about these things in the nineteen eighties. They were saying, like, oh,
the SPLC they sued clan groups into bankruptcy. Yes, but
they don't promote their black employees. Their black employees are
staying in the mail room while it's the white employees

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who are running everything. And it's like, if you're a
civil rights organization, that might be a black mark on
your record. And that was talked about in the nineties
and then nothing happened, and only in twenty nineteen did
something really happen. Now, think there was a revolt among
the staff, but that revolt among the staff seems to

(23:05):
have petered out. I mean last year we had they
had layoffs. And one of the interesting things about this
most recent adding prager you and turning point to the
hate map, it comes after layoffs last year where you know,
the SPLC was accused of union busting because they got
rid of a lot of people who are high up

(23:26):
in the SPLC union. But I think they got rid
of the staff who made some of the more cunning
and you know, more ideologically consistent decisions about the hate map,
because there are some really big mistakes in this hate
map that like they just released it last month, and

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normally when they release a hate map, they they have
done in the past where they say, oh, the number
of hate groups didn't increase, but hate is worse now
because it's in the White House now that that's essentially
what they said, and they're they're always saying, oh, Trump
is hateful, as organizations advising him are hateful. They're on
the hate map because they hate immigrants, they hate LGBTQ people,

(24:12):
they hate YadA, YadA, YadA. Really they're on the map
because they disagree with the SPLC's agenda. I mean the
SPLC and we should get into this too. They are
far off the edge of the map when it comes
to transgender stuff, when it comes to race baiting, when
they're using critical race theory to say that there's inherent

(24:33):
structural racism to everything, they will apply this racist lens
and then connect it to every issue under the sun.
I mean, you've covered intersectionality.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Aline, right, Well, this is this whole intersectionality thing is
to become one of the things that I think Americans
really need to understand, because when they don't understand this,
like you know, from the River to the Sea, Free
Palestine commentary and people with cafias walking around in the
meantime while rioting and an anti ice riot in Los Angeles,

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combined with BLM and groups like the SPLC and frankly
BLM and really also the Anti Defamation League the ADL,
what they will do is they will prey on people's
natural concerns and fears, the good hearted people who really
don't want anti semitism, don't want racism, and they'll use
this language of saying, we're going to help you avoid

(25:27):
horrible things in our society. But in order for the
SPLC and the BLM and ADL to thrive, they need
to manufacture more of it, and that is essentially what
we're doing. So that's when you see these hired people
who are dressed up as you know KKK members or
or you know, supposed anti Semites. Ironically the same day

(25:51):
are these are the ones who are you know, rioting
and these pro Palestine anti Semitic riots, right, And so
it's this bizarre convolution that I think people are just
kind of waking up to and they are saying, well, well,
what's going on here? And the short answer to it
is intersectionality.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Right. It's this oppressor versus the oppressed. The West is bad,
the successful is bad.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
The oppressed the the underdog is always on the right
and therefore, by all means necessary, including violence, real violence,
there they must correct things.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
What what I don't understand is.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
You look at the riots in Los Angeles and you
know that organizations like the SPOC, maybe not the SPLC directly,
but again we talked about CHURLA and you know the SEIU,
which you can explain that organization. And you know, even
Becky Pringle, who runs one of the largest teachers unions
in America, is goading people on and basically saying fight

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against ice.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
What are they trying to do? And like, really, what
are they trying to do?

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Is this You're going to help immigrants by by showing
us that they're violent. I mean, the mom and dad
in Los Angeles is sitting at home and watching these
videos and they're seeing the messaging that you have a
bunch of riots and destruction in Los Angeles and they

(27:19):
are associating that with the immigrants. So how are these
nonprofits that are supposed to hate help fight against hate?
How are they helping these people? Becky Pringle and Churla
and the SEIU, if they really wanted to help these immigrants,
they would help the messaging be.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
We are peaceful, and we are we are supportive, and
we're respectful and we're But instead, what are they teaching
them to do to show Americans that they're actually violent?

Speaker 2 (27:50):
How is that helping them?

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Well?

Speaker 4 (27:52):
And they should be waving American flags instead of waving
Mexican flags. I don't I don't understand. So I think
part of me thinks this is all a strategy to
keep the woke stranglehold on the Democratic Party, because right now,
you know, the Democratic Party, some people are realizing, wait,

(28:14):
maybe these this woke ideology doesn't fit with the American people. Maybe,
you know, Trump won for a reason in November, and
maybe we need to cool it with some of the
men and women's sports and some of this, you know, intersectionality,
Like maybe Americans don't like the idea, get this. Maybe
black parents don't like their kids being told in school

(28:38):
that they are inherently oppressed because of their skin color.
Maybe Asian parents don't like it when they're being discriminated again,
when their kids are being discriminated against because of the
color of their skin when they happen to do better
in school and then they're kept out by quotas. Like,
maybe this is not popular. But there are a lot

(28:59):
of people the Democratic Party who started coming together after
the election and said let's get rid of this. And
there was a report that said we need to listen
less to these nonprofits that are ideologically policing us and
pushing us to the left's orthodoxy. Well, that report happened,
and the DNC didn't come out and championed that report.

(29:23):
The DNC acted like it didn't exist, and just like.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
The riots don't exist in Los Angeles exactly.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
But I think what's happening here is the activist groups
that called the shots and the Biden administration, because we
all know Biden was largely a figurehead. My book The
Woke to Us, the Dark Money Cabal Manipulating the Federal
Government lays out how these NGOs staffed and advised the
Biden administration, put their tentacles into every policy that he

(29:55):
had and one of the main reasons the border was
wide open was because they demanded it. And so now
when Trump is trying to get these people out, when
Trump is Trump is starting with the lowest, low hanging fruit.
You know, we're talking gang members, criminals, people convicted. I
was going through the list of the people that ICE

(30:17):
was arresting here in Los Angeles, and it's the people
who've already been convicted of murder and rape. And you know,
like this is this should not be controversial, and yet
we're having people throw themselves in front of ICE cars
and throw rocks at ICE officers trying to prevent people
from getting arrested. When these are the worst of the worst.

(30:39):
And I think these NGOs they want, they want, for
lack of a better term, the invasion to continue because
it helps them and they want to have in America
where you have this settled lower class that's always going
to vote for the Democrats, because as they see the

(31:00):
Democrats as their saviors. That's not really how it works.
I think we all know that many Hispanic people are
waking up and voting with the Republican Party because most
of those, like the people I grew up with in Colorado,
were legal Mexican immigrants to the United States who love
this country, want the border to be closed. They want

(31:23):
the good immigrants to come here. They don't want just anybody,
and they feel insulted when somebody crosses that border illegally
and then gets government benefits.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Okay, can you correct me if I'm wrong, because this
thing is so mind boggling that it's almost hard for
even me to believe in just when you think you've
seen it all. So CHURLA is the nonprofit organization that
organized the anti Ice riots in Los Angeles. Is it
true that CHURLA received government funding both from the federal

(31:58):
and from the state. We are paying for an anti
ice riot.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
The Department of Homeland Security? Is this? I mean it,
Oh my gosh, this is just insane.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
It gets worse. Yes, because the money. So the answer
to your question is yes, now we don't know, for
it's not one hundred percent proven that they orchestrated the protests.
They've been on the ground organizing protests against ICE for
a while, and now that these protests are getting violent,
they're saying, we didn't organize this protest. And they've said that. Meanwhile,

(32:36):
you know, I've been talking with sources in the government
who are saying, like, well, we they won't come out
and say to me specifically that they have concrete proof
that this group organized it, but they know the people
on the ground who are doing these things, and they're like, well,
this claim doesn't pass muster. And this organization was granted

(32:59):
it's about seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars in the
Biden administration of your tax dollars through the Department of
Homeland Security, the very agency that they are now organizing
people to oppose was giving them money because they were
supposedly helping immigrants assimilate to the United States. So this

(33:22):
is the way that the LEFS NGO apparatus, and there's
this is the story that happens over and over and
over again in the Biden administration. All you have to
do is follow the money and it's not that hard.
But like I traced, so one of my recent stories
was a woman who worked at this organization called the
Solidarity Center. They promote labor unions across the world, and

(33:45):
she worked at the Solidarity Center for I think it
was about fifteen years. She goes to work at the
Department of Labor under Biden. In her time at the
Department of Labor, so she went not just to the
Department of Labor too, but to a specific bureau that
funded the Solidarity Center that during the Trump administration gave

(34:06):
the Solidarity Center ten million dollars. But after she joined,
that bureau gave the Solidarity Center fifty four million dollars.
And this is the story over and over again in
the Biden White House. Not only was it a revolving door,
but it was also they were shoveling money to these

(34:26):
nonprofits that propped up their interests and their ideology.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
And went after their opponents, their political opponents too. Do
you think the Southern Poverty Law Center, the SBOC received
money from the US government as well.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
So I haven't found any money from the US government
to the Southern Poverty Law Center. But I think it's
very important to note they had a lot of impact
in the Biden administration. So Margaret Wong bragged about being
brought in to advise on domestic terrorism. They had meetings
with the Department of Justice, the Department of Education. They

(35:04):
also met with Kristin Clark, who was the head of
the Civil Rights Office of the Department of Justice. She's
the woman who brought charges against peaceful pro life protesters
using a law that she wouldn't use to defend pregnancy centers.
So this is complicated issues. Called the Face Act. It

(35:25):
should protect pregnancy centers and abortion clinics. That's the way
it was written, That's the way the DOJ is said
and applies. When you had all this violence against pregnancy
centers after the overturning of Roe v. Wade. There, I
think there was like one or two cases that her
department brought, most of them just Scott Free nothing. And

(35:48):
then there are a lot of cases like the situation
with Mark Hook, where local law enforcement looked into the
matter and said he didn't do anything wrong, we're not
pressing charges. She comes in and says he's a conservative
protesting abortion. We're going to throw the book at him.
And anyway, this situation happened over and over again, and

(36:11):
the SPLC was meeting with her. But the SPLC also
was the force behind the anti Catholic memo. I think
you might remember in twenty twenty three, the FBI Richmond,
FBI had this memo and it said that radical traditional
Catholics are a threat to America and FBI agents need

(36:32):
to develop sources and infiltrate these churches and find where
these threats might be because they are a threat to
our country. And the source that they used for this
memo was the Southern Poverty Law Center and it was
a list of radical traditional Catholic hate groups that hadn't
been updated for something like ten years. And I talked

(36:56):
to some of the people on this list because I
was curious, and they said, oh, yeah, well, that organization
on the list doesn't exist. That organization is a bunch
of nuns and a convent likes. It's insane. This list
that the FBI was using. But the FBI was using it,
and we have now learned that this list went out
to a thousand FBI agents and they didn't do anything.

(37:19):
They didn't complain like there were there was one or
two FBI agents who sent emails to each other saying,
I'm concerned about this, why are we at the beck
and call of the Southern Poverty Law Center? But not
a single of those thousand FBI agents and staff who
received this memo made even a peep to the Richmond

(37:41):
office when they got this memo, which really suggests that
the conservative the anti conservative bias of the FBI is
way bigger than you think it is.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Well, you know, we talked a lot about the Southern
Poverty Law Center, but once you start understanding the SBOC,
you start understanding all the other groups that work in
tandem with them, like as I mentioned, the teachers' unions,
et cetera. And so this is this chart that I
guess you put together that helps illustrate and it's it's

(38:14):
it's very complex and very convoluted. Maybe you can explain
just what was your vision and why should people be
aware of this intricate web of really the backbone of
trying to take down what America is about? Right, I mean,
these are all these groups that just don't believe in

(38:35):
the American DNA.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Yeah, so this chart is all of my research for
the Woke to pus my second book in one graphic,
And I'm not sure what the best way to do
this is. Maybe maybe I'll just so the top level
is mostly funders, people that have the money that they
send in. The second level is funders who also influence

(38:57):
the government. The third level are five major campaigns of
different groups that work together to push one particular agenda.
And then the bottom is all the agencies where they
sent their staff and their ideas through the federal government.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
So what would be like key issues that they take on,
which I guess is their way to just push this
intersectionality concept and bring together groups to get mobilized.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Right, that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
They find these five issues that they think can mobilize
their audiences.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Yeah. Well, so the organizing principle that I have here
is my definition of woke, which in the way I
describe it is it's a comprehensive worldview that brings together
critical race theory, climate alarmism, gender ideology, and a preference
for technocratic government. And so all of those are kind

(39:53):
of jargoning terms, but critical race theory and the others
are what you describe as you know, intersectionality. This is
the idea that there's oppressors and oppressed, and the oppressed
are black people, immigrants, women, LGBT, et cetera, et cetera.
Climate alarmism which they use to justify sending a lot

(40:17):
of money to their cronies and to scare people into
them having power. Climate alarmism is a fundamental aspect because
it's a really useful tool for them. It's just like
when the SPLC releases their map and says hate is increasing,
give us money. Climate alarmism operates on the premise that

(40:38):
when you drive your car, you're destroying the earth, and
therefore you should feel guilty and you need to keep
us in power because we're going to create a new
carbon free economy. Meanwhile, what that means in practice is
John Podesta, who is the co founder of the Center
for American Progress and the head of Hillary Clinton's campaign.

(41:01):
He was put in charge of sending all the money,
all the green money in the Inflation Reduction Act to
all of you.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Know, right, it's something you can't The environmentalism religion is
something you can't ever measure. You just throw more and
more money at it, and you just like claim that
it's working, right, and so why is anti Israel pressure
such a big part of their agenda.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
Yeah, that's an excellent question. So it seems like it
doesn't fit it.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Just yeah, it just seems like another country on the
other side of the planet.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Teeny. I don't understand why it's an issue.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
But it aligns with their narrative that Muslims are oppressed,
and their narrative that Muslims are, you know, essentially like
a black religion. They they bring things together. So if
you look at the rhetoric around Palestine and Palestine, it's
always that these poor, oppressed minorities are being forced down

(42:01):
by white European colonizers. And it's really interesting to see,
you know, Jewish people, those who were the most oppressed
throughout history, being described as oppressors and colonizers when you know,
and when they came into Israel, Israel was just one
part of the Ottoman Empire and then the British mandate

(42:22):
for and it was like there there wasn't an identity
of Palestinian. This was just one part of a broad empire.
And a lot of these people are Arab they're not,
you know, and and they're part of the Islamic world
and so when they they created and the history of

(42:45):
Israel is they created this perpetual grievance, and they named
it Palestine, and they named it using the Roman word
that was slapped on the land to erase Israel from
the map. Like this is a very long standing fight
between the Israelis, the Jews and those who would kick

(43:09):
them off this land. And when you hear from the
river to the sea Palestine will be free. That is
called a wipe Israel off the face of the earth
and say that the Jewish people.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
All people buy into it because there's one Jewish country
and more than fifty Muslim countries. So this idea that yes,
Israel is the one who was oppressing all these other
Muslim countries where there's barely one teeny little Jewish country.
But why in America is this such a big thing
for these NGOs. Why would the SPLC get behind this stuff.

(43:42):
Why is the SPLC representing care right now, which is
basically associated with the Palestinian Liberation Group. Wasn't the founder
Jewish or one of the founders Jewish, The found one
of the founders of the SPLC is Jewish. I just
I just don't understand, like this the connection between the

(44:03):
SBOC and CARE and the riots in Los Angeles. Is
there some devarious group that is orchestrating Is this what
you've come up with here where you basically say they're
creating all these oppressor narratives in order to accomplish what?
What are they trying to accomplish with this bizarre web
of NGOs and their entanglement with unions and government.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
What's their end goal?

Speaker 4 (44:30):
It's power, It's destabilization of the America that we know
that we grew up with, of our constitution, of our values,
and the creation of an entirely different kind of America
that pushes their ideolg communism and this is well, you
could name you could name it communism. I think they
would balk at that. But the important thing here is

(44:53):
that it is a separate worldview. It's a different way
of looking at the world. And we're going through right
now in the West, something similar to what happened in
the Protestant Reformation and the wars of religion. Afterward, we
have the ideology, you know, the faith of America, the
faith of our fathers, where we believe in the goodness

(45:19):
of our country, we believe in free markets, we believe
in the constitution, limited government, and there's this totally different
worldview based on intersectionality, based on this call for social
justice that has a lot of moral force, but it's
ripped away from the truths of our history. It's ripped

(45:40):
away from the things that actually make America great.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Right well, our Department of Education in every state is
not focused on teaching these things. They're focused on teaching
the opposite. And much of the funding comes from the
federal Department of Education, which hopefully will be shut down something.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
The rot is everywhere every that That's why, like I
describe myself as an unlikely populist because I want to
trust institutions, but institution after institution after institution is proven
all of the corrupt, and they've been infiltrated. This is
like we think we won the Cold War. I'm looking

(46:19):
back at the Red Scare and I'm saying, I don't
know how much we won because the USSR is no
longer a thing, but the communist ideology and it's not
it's not communism today, they're not they're not waiving the
This isn't a Bolshevik revolution. This is something completely changed
for our times and rebranded over and over and over.

(46:42):
Every single NGO on the left is an attempt to
rebrand this revolution and make it stick this time. This
is the time, and the SPLC is standing in the
wings trying to prevent anyone from stopping it. What do
you think we can do about this?

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Because it's hard to walk out of this conversation not
overwhelmed and not feeling, you know, a sense of despair
when we talk about how all these NGOs have mooched
off our government and have associated themselves with every element
of our lives.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
What can we do about it?

Speaker 4 (47:21):
Yeah, well, that's an excellent question. I'd be remiss if
I didn't say that my books are useful resource making
hate pay, the corruption of the Southern Poverty Law Center,
and the woke to Post, the dark money cabal manipulating
the federal government. I think the way that Americans can
engage with this though, you have more power than you realize,

(47:42):
and I think we all need to take courage by
the fact that Trump did win his election. I mean,
this was one of the most historic elections we've seen
in our lifetimes. We had a guy, you know, the
first former president to face federal charges, the first know,
he got an assassination attempt on the on the campaign trail.

(48:04):
Someone tried to take him out because the left had
constantly been spreading hatred of him for so long. Yeah,
and and and we saw a guy resonate with the
American people and thumb his nose at this ideology that
was the thing over and over again. One of the
main reasons he won was because he was saying, I'm

(48:27):
Kamala Harris is for they them, I'm for you. That resonated.
And I think Americans need to realize there are more
of us who believe in common sense than you think.
And if you speak up and if we make a stink,
you know, I'm seeing company after company after company dropped

(48:48):
their DEI statements.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Right now, big victory.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
Yeah, and I think that is But I think we
have to hold them to the fire continually because this
moment is not going to last forever. And they only
went for DEI because they thought it was the hip thing.
Now we see they're leaving it, which is great, But
we have to constantly say, like, when you're raising your kids,

(49:13):
teach them the values of America. When you're you know,
when you're in the marketplace, I think there are companies
out there that need to hear that the SPLC is
not reliable. There are companies that are using the SPLC
even now, Like there's event right, there's Airbnb that said
they use the SPLC. We need to be asking them,

(49:35):
do you really think this is an organization worth Like
this year alone, the SPLC put the largest conservative grassroots
youth organization on their hate map, with chapters of the Clan.
They put breaker View, which makes five minute videos, on
the hate map with chapters of the Klan. They put
Focus on the Family, which is the most mainstream conservative

(49:58):
Christian nonprofit, like it just defined Christian nonprofits in the
nineteen nineties.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Well, I'm going to do this.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I'm going to check every company I shop with and
I'm going to see if they're associated with the SPLC,
and if they are, I'm going to complain. And I'm
you know what, I'm not going to shop with companies
that are associated with this group. This group is ruining
our country. We should's that's the first step, but that's
something we could do.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Yeah, And that's a really big important step to make.
And then we have to say we have to let
you can't let democrats off the hook when they're citing
this group they need to hear. And when your local newspaper,
when whatever newspaper you read is citing the SPLC and
doesn't have you know, Like the AP recently ran an

(50:45):
article about the SPLC's hate map. They mentioned that conservatives
criticize the SPLC, but they never mentioned any of the scandals.
They never mentioned anything that actually undermines the SPLC's credibility.
Write a letter to the editor. Each of us has
a lot more power than we realize, and if we

(51:05):
push back, we can win.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Well, I learned a lot of new things from you,
but I really appreciate that I can walk out of
this conversation with something tangible that I can do about
this problem. So thank you, Thank you for coming on,
thank you for reaching out, and keep up the great work.
And everybody can read your book and follow your work.
I know that you're also on social media. What are
your handles?

Speaker 4 (51:27):
Yes, it's Tyler too, the number two O'Neil, both on
truth social and on acts, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
The Daily Signal is on YouTube, Instagram, every place except
TikTok pretty much where we take no truck with the
Chinese Communist Party.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Well, we'll have to have a conversation about that another time,
but for now.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Thank you and bless you for your work.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Thank you again so much for having me.

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