August 3, 2024 • 34 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – ‘Friday Nights’ with L.A. Radio Legend Nautica De La Cruz checking out “Cruise Newport Beach” AND highlighting today’s ‘Hidden Gem,’ Alicia Farro and BigSunday.org which is ‘a Los Angels based nonprofit organization dedicated to building a community through service’…PLUS – Mark Rahner delves into the new Prime Video animated series 'Batman: Caped Crusader' in ‘The Rahner Report’ - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Now is time
for Friday Nights with Notica de la Cruz.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Thank you so very much, mo I love Disco. I'm
gonna go home and play some Donna Summers tonight. Most definitely,
I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Play some tonight. I want to beat you to it, all.
Speaker 5 (00:19):
Right, you do that?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
All right?
Speaker 6 (00:21):
Well, it's time for Discover so cal and I recently
discovered the Cruise Newport Beach, which is in the heart
of Newport Beach, where the coastline meets luxury yachts and
vibrant marine life.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I embarked on a journey that would leave me absolutely mesmerize.
The cruise with Cruz Newport Beach promised a slice of paradise,
and I tell you it did not disappoint. Aboard the
majestic Newport Princess, I was whisked away on an adventure
filled with awe inspiring views, impeccable service, and moments that
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would linger long after the trip. The Newport Princess was
no ordinary yacht. I have to tell you, Just imagine
step into a floating palace where every detail excudes sophistication.
Spacious decks stretched out like an invitation to bask in
the ocean breeze, while you know, with some very nice
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plush seating. They had advanced navigation systems and modern safety
features ensured our voyage was a secure as possible and
was very comfortable. Also, listening to safety rules is very
very important when you are aboard the Newport Princess. I
always say safety first because I am too cute to die.
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The onboard kitchen was a culinary haven, serving gourmet meals
and a selection of fine beverages that turned each meal
into a delight event. As we set sail, the crews
took us through some of Newport's most enchanting vistas. We
began our journey at the bustling Newport Harbor, that's where
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you go on for your journey, and then we just
stepped onto the yacht, which was very luxurious and we
got to see the scenery was kind of something of
a glamorous movie. We curved around Balboa Island, where charming
houses and the iconic Balboa Fun Zone you can't miss
that painted a picturesque backdrop.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
As we ventured into the open Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
The expansive body of water stretched before us, inviting us
to lose ourselves in the beauty as the sun was
going down, and the.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Pictures that we took were beautiful.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
The thrill of spotting sea lions basking on distant rocks
and seabirds soaring overhead added a touch of wonder to
our experience. Each siding was a reminder of the magical
world beneath the surface around us. Now, I didn't get
to see some sea otters because I am madly, madly
in love.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
With sea otters.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
But I got some sea lions and I got some
beautiful birds, so that's okay. On board the Newport Princess
was a sanctuary of relaxation and joy. Better when you
can be on cruise control with a bestie or a partner.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
The crew was warm and attentive, and most of them
had a really good sense of humor. They made sure
every need that they made sure our every need was
met with the smile. Gourmet dining was a highlight, with
meals with delicious drinks and live music performances. Engaging games
and interactive activities ensure the entertainment flowed as seamlessly as
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the ocean waves. Comfortable lounges and sun decks offered perfect
spots to unwine, soak up the sun, and enjoy the
breathtaking scenery. Cruise Newport Beach is a symphony of luxury, adventure,
and relaxation. Whether you are celebrating a milestone, or this
is a first date, or you just want to catch
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up with the girlfriend, this is something you should definitely experience.
In every way, Cruise Newport Beach exceeds my expectations. And
the best part was I got to enjoy it with
a best friend and we got to catch up on life,
because sometimes you just need that once in a while.
So if you want some more information, if you want
to experience it yourself, you could go to Cruzanewport Beach
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dot com. Now prices do vary from twenty five dollars
to eighty dollars.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
But she ended up getting a group on.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I didn't even know groupon was still happening because that
was back, you know, it was hot, like in the
early two thousands. But she got a groupon, she got
a really good deal, and so we went and we
discovered it and it was really really nice to just
have a drink, have a good meal, get to know people.
You know, you're stuck on this beautiful yacht for about
two hours, so you get to know people what they
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do for a living, and it's it's kind of like
in person social networking.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
How many people about are on the.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Yacht, I don't know. I would say less than one hundred.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Okay, No, that's okay, that's a reasonable amount of people.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
No, the yacht is nice, you know, it's I'm sure
they seek more, but it all depends on, you know,
how many people actually booked for that time. It was
an evening, an evening tour, I guess you could say.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
But the best.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Part was not only the ambiance and the drinks, it
was just actually being in the water and seeing the
sun go down.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Now, I ask you this as someone who didn't live
in California. Growing up, when I was in fifth grade,
we would go on a whale watching tour. So it
wasn't unusual that we go out, we get to see
the whale, to may see some sea lions and everything.
Did they have anything like that on the East Coast?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You know, I really never experienced it unless I went
to Boston.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Okay, in New York.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
No, because it's you know, God, I don't want I
can't believe I'm going to say. You know, it's kind
of grimy to be in the water. It's not you know,
it's not crystal blue or you don't see.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Wait a minute, have you not read the news lately
about La Beaches?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I know, but you know there's something. You know, we
don't have palm trees in New York. We don't have
palm trees over there, so it's a different ambiance. It's
you know, you could have a yacht in you could
you know, you could probably cruise around the harbor. But
it's it's just not the same as being in California.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
You got shipping containers.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Yet you do. Now, It's just it isn't Now.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I've done some really nice touring on yachts in Puerto
Rico and in Florida, but you know, you have those
beautiful crystal clear you know waters and the white sand
that's kind of like powderish.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
It's it's different. It's it's so different. But I have
to say this was really nice. The weather was beautiful.
I would say that if you are going on a
yacht and you know, let's say, ladies, you're wearing a
tank top or something, I highly recommend that you wear
SPF because the sun is pretty ponent out there in
the water.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Very quickly. The contact information again for people who are.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Interested cruise Neewportbeach dot com. That's Cruisenewportbeach dot com.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Also, I talk a little bit about it on a
Frequency podcast and we just ended us season ten. We
are starting season eleven next week. Our last episode was
about mother in law moving in and changing the dynamic
of the house. You could catch us on iTunes, Spotify,
Amazon Music, and on Instagram.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
We are Frequency Podcast. That's fr e.
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Q u E nsh she podcast and our logo is
a lipstick and a microphone altogether.
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So if you see that, you know you've found us.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Nataka Dala Cruise when we come back the Hidden Gym
for this week on Later with Mo Kelly.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And now back to Nauka Dla Cruz with the Hidden
Gym for this week.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Thank you, Mo.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Today's Hidden Jem is Alicia Farro. She was born in Madrid, Espana, Spain.
She is a retired art teacher who firmly believes that
art is food for the soul. After moving to Los
Angeles in the early eighties, she quickly fell in love
with the city's vibrant culture. Throughout her teaching career, Duca
painted murals for schools and conducted art classes at the YMCA,
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sharing her passion for art with the community. Alicia understands
that every brushstroke tells a unique story. She believes that
art is therapeutic and powerful form of expression, whether it's
involves painting, cutting, pasting, using watercolors, or coloring with crayons
and colored pencils. Alicia is now a grandmother, and she
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takes great pride in the creations her grandchildren make for her,
proudly displaying them with a magnet on her refrigerator like
a lot of grandmothers do. Alicia discovered a flier promoting
a local volunteer event for a Big Sunday Dot Org.
Intrigued by the organization's mission, Alicia decided to get involved,
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not realizing the profound impact it would have on her life.
Her first project with Big Sunday Dot Org involved revitalizing
a rundown park in a marginalized neighborhood. Armed with paint, bushes,
gardening tools, and a team of enthusiastic volunteers, Alicia experienced
firsthand the transformative power of collective effort.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
As the park.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Blossomed into a vibrant communal space, She felt an overwhelming
sense of fulfillment, sparking a deep rooted commitment to the
organization's cause. Through her involvement with Big Sunday dot Org,
Alicia has demonstrated that community service extends far beyond just
being a volunteer. It's about building bridges, nurishing empathy, and
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creating lasting positive changes, as well as meaningful connections with
like minded individuals.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Big Sunday dot.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Org is a Los Angeles nonprofit organization dedicated to building
a community through service. Founded in nineteen ninety nine by
David Levinson, the organization has expanded, now engaging thousands of
volunteers annually with a large number of service projects, from
neighborhood cleanups and food drives to educational programs environmental initiatives.
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Big Sunday dot Org offers diverse opportunities for people of
all ages, all backgrounds to get involved and make a
difference beyond large events. Big Sunday runs several ongoing initiatives
to support different segments of the community. Programs like End
of the Month Club help fight food insecurity by organizing
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monthly food drives, while TGIW, which stands for Thank God
It Work, assists those struggling finding employment by providing job
readiness support. Additionally, Big Sunday host seasonal events such as
Back to School Drive, which they're going to have soon,
holiday parties, sing along, a lot of great stuff especially
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during the holidays as well. They try to get as
much as they try to get the community involved as
much as possible, And if you would like to get
involved or volunteer or donate, you could always visit bigsunday
dot org. Alicia Farro, I want to say thank you
for bringing a little bit of vibrant color to the world.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
With your kind and your kind heart.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And I just want to say thank you so much
for telling me your story and how you got involved,
and thank you for being today's hidden jem. And I
want to add I actually made a phone call. I
spoke to the founder of David the founder of Big
Sunday dot org. His name is David Levinson and one
of the things that intrigued me about this organization is
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I have never heard of an organization that helps other organizations.
So a nonprofit helping other nonprofits, and it's and they
do things at no cost for example, it's just not
for children.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
It's like for for example, the elderly.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
David was telling me that there was an elder woman
who needs her refrigerator broke and someone found out and
she couldn't afford it, and so they ended up finding
I don't know if it was through Facebook, Marketplace or something,
they got a refrigerator and they used some funding and
they gave it to her at no cost. And it's
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it's nonprofits helping nonprofits, and you don't hear much about
that much. I think is wonderful. And I think that
it's nice to have an anchor next to you to go, hey,
I could always call Big Sunday dot org and go
we need a little help of this, or we need
some volunteers, or how can you know, how can you
help us pass out flyers.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
And they're also having their fifteenth annual Back.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
To School Week, So if you would like to get involved,
like I said, go to Big Sunday dot org. That's
big Sunday dot org. They want volunteers to come together.
They're trying to get and fill up at least forty
five hundred backpacks.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
And how did you find Alicia?
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Alicia is okay? How do I explain this?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Alicia was refer to me of someone on LinkedIn who
was like, she has a great story. And speaking of LinkedIn,
I want to say to our listeners, thank you. I
do have an IG and I do have an email
if you would like it. It's Nautica on Air at
Gmail and on Instagram. I'm at Nautica de la Cruse
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on Instagram, but I've been getting messages on LinkedIn and
I'm like, oh, you could have emailed me, but that's okay,
find you whatever. I just love the stories and I
have another young gentleman that I want to interview. He
started a nonprofit and you know he wants to tell
his story too, So I think that's beautiful and I
want to say thank you so very much.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
And also be sure to check out Nautica Delight Cruise
on the Frequent She Yes podcast.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Yes, Season eleven is coming next week.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Follow us on Instagram at Frequent Sheet Podcasts, and you
could also follow me and.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
At Amy Lopez too.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
She is I don't want to say she's my co host,
she's my equal and we always have a great time.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
So it's great.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I'm sure we're going to have some really good conversations
in season eleven. We've been doing this since twenty oh gosh,
twenty twenty, I believe.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah, a lot of things came out of the pandemic. Huh.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
We were both going through stuff in life and we
were like, one day we went the cuffactho right here
in Burbank, and she said, Hey, what do you think
of this idea? And I was like, well great. I
was like, let's let's go on Amazon. Let's get two
wonderful road microphones and I'll get a you know, we'll
hook it up to my laptop and we started, and
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here we are four years later.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Amen to that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yes you're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand
from KFI AM six forty. Kelly Mark talks about partificates
about pop culture.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
Ronner Report with Mark Ronner.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Can't I'm o Kelly Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app Now,
Mark Runner with The Runner Report.
Speaker 8 (15:14):
Tonight, Batman Cape Crusader Now I'm going to get this
started and then open it up to argument and insults.
But first I'll admit up front, I don't watch a
lot of cartoons, sorry, animated shows. You know why time's
up because I'm an adult. But I got sucked into
the new Batman Cape Crusader series on Amazon Prime because
it's Batman and I'm a lifelong Batman nerd. I showed
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Twala my Batman underwear the other day and he didn't
He didn't.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Report me to HR either.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
I thought I was gonna sample one episode, then it
was four, then all of them. I'm not big on
impulse control.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Here's some of the trailer, asking the question on everyone's
mind these days, what do you think about the Batman?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
The whole city's gone to hell in a hand basket.
Speaker 9 (16:00):
He's breaking the lawn any so they ought to catch
that break and lock him up.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I won't say it's gonna be easy, but catching criminals
is what we do. So this one dresses up like Dracula,
So what we're gonna take him down?
Speaker 5 (16:13):
What do we know about this Batman?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
He's been beating the tar out of muggers and dope
petlas out there in the last few weeks, he's mostly
been seen at night driving that hot rot of his
one hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I know he's even attacking our brave.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Police nice car.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
This man is not a hero, He's a criminal at
his time in gotam is.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Pub mis chief of books.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Uh three explosions in two weeks, peculiar.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
There's something more going on here.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
Now, before we really get into this, these are some
of Mark's Batman rules. You like that if anyone tells
you the sixties Batman sucks and they don't like Adam West,
never listen to anything that person says again about anything, entertainment, politics, dating.
The person has nothing to offer you. That was point
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one point one and a half. Bird Ward is criminally
underrated and as hilarious as Robin and Brendan wwaits in
HBO's Titans was terrific as well.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Holy Holy Okay, let's go back to this number two.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
The more your hero has to endure, the more satisfying
the story. Batman and Daredevil were always my favorites because
they weren't overpowered. You and I couldn't kick their asses,
but they're human. They got to try harder, and they
rely on nerve. And brains and toughness and planning, and
they can get hurt. Number three, Gay jokes about Batman
and Robin are as hacky and offensive as it gets.
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Listen to me. Robin is a traumatized kid who needs
a dad after his parents are killed, and he gets
the best new dad in the world and they go
on adventures together. Okay, Batman's a traumatized adult who suffered
the same loss and he wants to help the boy.
Those jokes have always been stale. Zero point three and
a half. That said, I don't like Batman having a
succession of young wards, and I've lost track of how
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many there have been. One is heartwarming, A stable of
them not so much.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Now.
Speaker 8 (18:15):
Batman Cape Crusaders ten half hour episodes on Amazon Prime
and it's set in the forties with a pulpy noir
look and feel. It features a younger Batman who's just
forming his relationships with characters we all know, and he's
kind of an a hole. I like this physical depiction
of Batman, not covered with body armor, not looking like
a full time body builder on steroids. Do a Google
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search for Batman Thought Factory poster. What you'll find is
an image from nineteen seventy seven by the famous movie
poster artist Drew Strusan. You'll recognize the style immediately. He
did Star Wars and et posters. I think he did
Blade Run or two. It's one of the best ever
renderings of Batman. It's about like you picture in real life,
but still a guy in a batsuit. The bat fights
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in this cartoon are different. They're always different in any
incarnation of Batman. If you remember, Michael Keaton looked like
he'd barely move or turn his head in his costume.
I like those Christian Bale Batman movies, but his big
fight with Baine looked like he was medicated, and we
could go down the whole list. We don't have time
for that. The fights in Cape Crusader are really nicely executed,
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no pow or wham stuff. There's a time and a
place for that. Batman takes some punches, but he's tough,
he's smart. It's only fairly recently the cartoons bothered to
choreograph their fight action, and you can actually follow the
movements in Batman Cape Crusader. There's even a supernatural episode
involving some sort of homicidal horseman and I thought, oh, yeah,
that works more supernatural stuff with Batman.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Why wouldn't you.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
The Alfred in this show is shorter and dumpier and
looks more like hair Cool Poirot than the Alfred were
used to. And by the way, the one we're used
to is a knockoff of Hobson the butler John Gielgod
played for Dudley Moore and Arthur Remember that would you
like me to wash your bo for you? That one
back in nineteen eighty six when Frank Miller's The Dark
Knight Turns became one of the two things that changed
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comics and pop culture forever, along with Alan Moore's Watchman.
Miller based his Alfred on Gilgood, this bitingly sarcastic but
hyper competent butler and the Cape crusader Bruce Wayne calls
him by his last name though Pennyworth. I don't care
for that or their relationship at all. But remember it's
younger Batman and he's not a static character.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Here things change.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
There's one scene between young Bruce and Alfred in a
flashback that made me think, oh, they're onto something here.
Sometime after Bruce's parents are killed, Alfred wakes up in
the middle of the night to see young Bruce standing
in the shadows in his doorway, looking almost possessed with
grief and anger, and the boy says something along the
lines of I'm gonna get them all, every last one
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of them, Alfred, And they had me right there. Other
characters in Batman Cape Crusader are changed more. There's a
female penguin. Harley Quinn is black and gay. Now Commissioner
Gordon and his daughter Barbara are black. And here we go.
I don't really like these conversations because they usually open
the door for assorted bigots and dopes, and I'm not
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really interested in their opinions. You talking about race swapping
of the characters, correct, Yeah, these conversations. Yeah, the conversations
get tedious. And I'll open this up in a second.
But the first thing you got to do is ask
what's achieved with these changes in this case. I don't
know if it's much more than mixing things up for
the characters that have been around for eighty years, give
or take. Maybe it's just a diversity move. I don't
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know whether it's Batman or say James Bond. I generally
think if you want to change a character very much.
Just make a new character. I'm not interested in a
female four or whatever they did to sub Mariner in
that Black Panther sequel, or throwing a bone to the
LGBTQ crowd by making the Golden Age Green Lantern Alan
Scott gay. And by the way, way to take a
risk there, DC, try it out on a really old
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character and nobody knows or cares about it anymore. And
by the way, you remember Green Lantern, the Silver age
one he's allergic to. His weakness is yellow, The Golden
Age Green Lantern weakness is woold. Did anybody think this through? Second,
all superheroes are gay? I thought everyone knew that. Who
else has abs and capes? And the answer about the
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three hundred movie is well, yes, obviously, just make it
a new character. I think there's going to be a
female Silver Surfer in the new Fantastic Four movie, and
nobody wants that, even if it's based on one that
eventually was in the comics that said, if it's done well,
it sticks.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
I mentioned Alfred.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
I also like Nick Fury, the one I grew up with,
but the Samuel Jackson Fury grew on me and it
didn't disappear the old one.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
We'll always have that.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
Crappy David Hasselhoff Nick Fury movie from nineteen ninety eight too.
There's lots to nitpick about Cape Crusader, but it's got
enough going on for it. I plowed through that whole
thing in short order. Mo twala, time for you to
weigh in.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Okay, if you don't watch animated media for adults, there's
something wrong with you. And everything you said after that
was invalid. Everything a little harsh. It's a little accurate.
I mean saying I don't want but I'm saying, if
you don't watch it, how are you to then critique
it or review it if it's not even a genre.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
You closely follow like you would anything else. It's a
story with a beginning, middle, and end and elements that
are familiar to people who consume items on Earth.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Well, it's not that complicated.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
But the fact that you are some type of shut
in you can't open yourself up to adult animation.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
It's weird. But it's.
Speaker 9 (23:32):
This series, and I've watched up to episode eight and
it is. It is done by the same team essentially
that did the Batman animated series of the nineties. Which
was really really good, and that is the staple for
Batman's stories. If you have not watched Batman the animated
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series with Kevin Conroy as the voice and Bruce Timm
and all that creative team that brought us such amazing stories,
then this may seem new for me.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
This wasn't new.
Speaker 9 (24:06):
This was Bruce tim with JJ Abrams and the guy
Matt Breeves I think who's involved in the Batman's They
all got together and said, hey, we want to do
a new, updated version of that old series. And to me,
the writing, it's okay. You know, there are some familiar
names friends of yours, Mark that are writing on it,
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ed Brew Baker and things like that. But I watched
I said to myself, this is this is a more
adult version as far as the language and the interactions
between some of the characters are a lot more adult
than the Batman animated series, because that was a serial
that ran on TV for kids. But as an adult watching,
I was like, these stories are very very grown. These
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are adult stories that are told, So I thought it
was okay to me. The race swapping of Jim Gordon
and Barbara Gordon making Penguin woman stuff like that was
just silly. It was like, like, who is that for?
Because it's not part of the advertisement, and that's not
something that's in the story that's supposed to draw in,
you know, viewers, So it's like, why do it outside
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of just saying, ah, we want to do something new,
you know, it's it's cool. I like the storytelling. I
like the action. It's a little disjointed in how it's
told as just one thing happens after another, and there's
no real through line outside of Batman, which throws me
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
But it's all right, all right, let me just I
haven't seen this series, but let me just be contrarian
for a moment.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Throw some monkey wrenches in both your arguments.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I'm not a fan of the race swapping of characters either,
But I also know that these stories were written at
a time where Gotham you can't see my air quotes,
and the analog to it, New York looked very different
and America looks very different than today. And if you're
telling a story about Gotham air quotes analogue New York,
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it would kind of make sense if.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It looked different from the nineteen fifty sixties.
Speaker 9 (26:00):
Would it not this story being told in the nineteen fifties,
sixtiesies or for Yeah, even then, some of the things
that are in it don't make sense. James Gordon being
black and also being you know, the top cop stuff
like that is like wait, what the things like that
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are the things that stand out? And they even made
note of it there. There's even an episode where the
mayor says, you know, basically, you know, James, you're a
DEI higher. Don't forget that really basically, you know, he
alludes to it. So it's like one of those like
you know, you're are you know me hiring you was
already supposed to be a good thing for the community.
Now what are you so stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I'm like, so through a contemporary lens, yes, set in
the forties. Yeah, so you throw that in there, and
I'm like, so, did you put a black James Gordon
because you want to say that because the character's not black,
and there's no need to make him black because that's
not something that we're going to Batman for. We don't
go to Batman like man.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
If there's no black James Gordon, I'm not watching it.
This is not how it works. James Gordon, that's gonna
make me watch it.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And that's that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (27:13):
Throughout all of the race swapping and gender swapping that
Marvel and DC and all these things companies have done,
none of that was done to draw us in because
it's not part of the advertisement. It's one thing if
you say, hey, you know you put Idris elba as
a hemdel out front in the advertisement of the film,
maybe that. But if it's just we go in and
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watch the film, then I then I I'm against the
argument that that's to bring in a broader audience because
none of those things were used to get us in there.
The main character is Superman, Batman, spider Man. We go
in to see them, so when you're surprised, it's like, haha,
well all of a sudden, make you know, Robbie Robertson
black is like what why?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Or not Robbie Robinson.
Speaker 9 (27:56):
But Perry Perry White, Yeah, you're gonna make him black,
And you know that's like, but why when you have
Robbie Robinson who is black. So that's what I'm saying.
You could have made Laurence Fishburn Robbie Robinson. You could
have just done that instead of changing the race. You
don't have to change the gender of characters just because
you want women to go see films or superhero films.
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Use this established female superheroes that you already have. So
if not, what you're saying is, hey, ladies, yes, we
know you've read about these characters all along, but they
don't matter enough for us to respect your nerdism. We're
gonna change a character that you know as a guy
and make that one of a woman.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Why, that's what I saying.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
I don't like it when they do that, because you're
disrespecting the intelligence of the people who are core fans
for this product and also then disrespecting those who aren't.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Well, the only thing is we do have to go
to break.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I don't think any of this stuff, for the most part,
is about the core fans. I think, and that goes
back to our earliest conversation. They want to make content
that people are gonna watch, regardless of how they get
there or why they can there. It's fair, it's later
with mo Kelly. We'll get it on the other side. Mark,
you have the quote on it, well good everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
We're doing a special actually carryover version of the RUNA
Report because Mark Roner was getting into it regarding this
new Batman animated series. It inspired a lot of debate
beyond just the show itself. And you were going to say, Mark, well,
we were talking.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
About swapping genders and races and whatever of characters, and
I think we actually all wound up agreeing that we're
not really into it unless there's a good reason to
do it.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Do I have that right to wal No?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
No, absolutely, he's actually in the other studio getting calls,
but yes, I could answer for him that, No, none
of us are into it. It doesn't add to the story,
It doesn't add to the interest of people wanting to
see the story. And so it's actually answering a question
that nobody asked, and it's trying to solve a problem
that doesn't exist.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
Yeah, I mean, I guess they were trying to update it.
You got to figure that, like nineteen forties Gotham City
was awfully white, right, Yeah, it would have to have been.
And when you look at the stuff we grew up
watching on TV Network TV, remember like Uhura and on
Star Trek and Peggy on Mannix. Those were two of
the only non white people who were regulars on network TV.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, with the exception of a couple of other shows,
not going to get into that, but very very few.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
But TV usually, and this.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Is the counter argument, TV televisions programming usually reflects the
times in which we live, not necessarily the times in
which they're set. Star Trek had a lot of people
of color on it and was set well into the future.
It didn't reflect society at that time, So it can
go either way.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Yeah, that's true, and I mean you're gonna run into static,
I would imagine in the year of Our Lord twenty two,
twenty four, if you want to put any show on
the air which is just nothing but white people and
nobody else on it, because that's just not the reality
that we live with anywhere. I mean, not even in
Spokane where I grew up. Okay, and that's the whitest
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city I've ever seen. Well, television is programmed for the
big cities. That's where your biggest media markets are Number
one New York, number two, Los Angeles, and so forth.
And if you're talking about major metropolitan areas they are
very diverse, and if you're trying to reach those areas,
then yes, you probably would have programming which is more,
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which more reflects those demographics. Yeah, and you and I
have both been in media for a really long time,
and we've had all sorts of diversity training, and I've
even been put, as punishment, believe it or not, on
a diversity committee. No, because I pointed I worked at
Gannett and Gannett is notorious. Gannet's the big newspaper chain
that runs USA today and I don't know what the
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number of total papers they have is now, but it
used to be one hundred to two hunds. I pointed
out that they get scores like management gets scores for
like the number of minorities in a photograph or that
kind of thing. They'll and they'll send a photographer to
chase after the one person of color in a crowd
of thousands because they get some career advantage out of that.
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And I found that to be a little on the
dishonest side. And this punishment, I was put on the
diversity committee, which is weird because it's a thing in
real life that ordinarily I would support and have no
problem with.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Well, I don't know if we'll be able to solve
the ills of America or whether, let me put it
another way, I don't know if entertainment can solve the
ills of America. But there is evidence to suggest that
entertainment has pushed us in the right direction over the
years and decades. Even though I don't agree with a
lot of the decisions which are made in entertainment.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
I think that this is something that you have to accept,
even more than you were arguing earlier in the show,
that we have to accept AI, And there's your call back,
Oh yeah, well, but I I don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
If I want to make the subtle distinction.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
We don't necessarily have to accept it, and that's different
from acknowledging that we can't prevent it. What I mean is,
I'm not going to accept racism in society. Okay, that's
just me as an African American man, I'm not just
going to accept it.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
But I'm also.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I'm not naive to think that we will ever be
without it in society.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Now we're finding that out. Yes on something, that's.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
All I'm going to say it Just each and every
time it rears its ugly head, in front of me.
I'm going to kick it in its teeth, but I'm
not so naive to think that it will ever be
gone in my lifetime.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
That's all.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
When you kick it in its teeth, I want you
wearing a cape.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
I don't. I don't wear the cape. I can see it.
It's the cape.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
It's it's the speedo, the colored speedos.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
It's no, that's perfect. And the boats. Oh yeah, you
got to have boots, big, big tall boots. Look at
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We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Now is time
for Friday Nights with Notica de la Cruz.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Thank you so very much, mo I love Disco. I'm
gonna go home and play some Donna Summers tonight. Most definitely,
I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Play some tonight. I want to beat you to it, all.
Speaker 5 (00:19):
Right, you do that?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
All right?
Speaker 6 (00:21):
Well, it's time for Discover so cal and I recently
discovered the Cruise Newport Beach, which is in the heart
of Newport Beach, where the coastline meets luxury yachts and
vibrant marine life.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I embarked on a journey that would leave me absolutely mesmerize.
The cruise with Cruz Newport Beach promised a slice of paradise,
and I tell you it did not disappoint. Aboard the
majestic Newport Princess, I was whisked away on an adventure
filled with awe inspiring views, impeccable service, and moments that
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would linger long after the trip. The Newport Princess was
no ordinary yacht. I have to tell you, Just imagine
step into a floating palace where every detail excudes sophistication.
Spacious decks stretched out like an invitation to bask in
the ocean breeze, while you know, with some very nice
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plush seating. They had advanced navigation systems and modern safety
features ensured our voyage was a secure as possible and
was very comfortable. Also, listening to safety rules is very
very important when you are aboard the Newport Princess. I
always say safety first because I am too cute to die.
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The onboard kitchen was a culinary haven, serving gourmet meals
and a selection of fine beverages that turned each meal
into a delight event. As we set sail, the crews
took us through some of Newport's most enchanting vistas. We
began our journey at the bustling Newport Harbor, that's where
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you go on for your journey, and then we just
stepped onto the yacht, which was very luxurious and we
got to see the scenery was kind of something of
a glamorous movie. We curved around Balboa Island, where charming
houses and the iconic Balboa Fun Zone you can't miss
that painted a picturesque backdrop.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
As we ventured into the open Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
The expansive body of water stretched before us, inviting us
to lose ourselves in the beauty as the sun was
going down, and the.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Pictures that we took were beautiful.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
The thrill of spotting sea lions basking on distant rocks
and seabirds soaring overhead added a touch of wonder to
our experience. Each siding was a reminder of the magical
world beneath the surface around us. Now, I didn't get
to see some sea otters because I am madly, madly
in love.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
With sea otters.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
But I got some sea lions and I got some
beautiful birds, so that's okay. On board the Newport Princess
was a sanctuary of relaxation and joy. Better when you
can be on cruise control with a bestie or a partner.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
The crew was warm and attentive, and most of them
had a really good sense of humor. They made sure
every need that they made sure our every need was
met with the smile. Gourmet dining was a highlight, with
meals with delicious drinks and live music performances. Engaging games
and interactive activities ensure the entertainment flowed as seamlessly as
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the ocean waves. Comfortable lounges and sun decks offered perfect
spots to unwine, soak up the sun, and enjoy the
breathtaking scenery. Cruise Newport Beach is a symphony of luxury, adventure,
and relaxation. Whether you are celebrating a milestone, or this
is a first date, or you just want to catch
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up with the girlfriend, this is something you should definitely experience.
In every way, Cruise Newport Beach exceeds my expectations. And
the best part was I got to enjoy it with
a best friend and we got to catch up on life,
because sometimes you just need that once in a while.
So if you want some more information, if you want
to experience it yourself, you could go to Cruzanewport Beach
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dot com. Now prices do vary from twenty five dollars
to eighty dollars.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
But she ended up getting a group on.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I didn't even know groupon was still happening because that
was back, you know, it was hot, like in the
early two thousands. But she got a groupon, she got
a really good deal, and so we went and we
discovered it and it was really really nice to just
have a drink, have a good meal, get to know people.
You know, you're stuck on this beautiful yacht for about
two hours, so you get to know people what they
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do for a living, and it's it's kind of like
in person social networking.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
How many people about are on the.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Yacht, I don't know. I would say less than one hundred.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Okay, No, that's okay, that's a reasonable amount of people.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
No, the yacht is nice, you know, it's I'm sure
they seek more, but it all depends on, you know,
how many people actually booked for that time. It was
an evening, an evening tour, I guess you could say.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
But the best.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Part was not only the ambiance and the drinks, it
was just actually being in the water and seeing the
sun go down.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Now, I ask you this as someone who didn't live
in California. Growing up, when I was in fifth grade,
we would go on a whale watching tour. So it
wasn't unusual that we go out, we get to see
the whale, to may see some sea lions and everything.
Did they have anything like that on the East Coast?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You know, I really never experienced it unless I went
to Boston.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Okay, in New York.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
No, because it's you know, God, I don't want I
can't believe I'm going to say. You know, it's kind
of grimy to be in the water. It's not you know,
it's not crystal blue or you don't see.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Wait a minute, have you not read the news lately
about La Beaches?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I know, but you know there's something. You know, we
don't have palm trees in New York. We don't have
palm trees over there, so it's a different ambiance. It's
you know, you could have a yacht in you could
you know, you could probably cruise around the harbor. But
it's it's just not the same as being in California.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
You got shipping containers.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Yet you do. Now, It's just it isn't Now.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I've done some really nice touring on yachts in Puerto
Rico and in Florida, but you know, you have those
beautiful crystal clear you know waters and the white sand
that's kind of like powderish.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
It's it's different. It's it's so different. But I have
to say this was really nice. The weather was beautiful.
I would say that if you are going on a
yacht and you know, let's say, ladies, you're wearing a
tank top or something, I highly recommend that you wear
SPF because the sun is pretty ponent out there in
the water.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Very quickly. The contact information again for people who are.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Interested cruise Neewportbeach dot com. That's Cruisenewportbeach dot com.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Also, I talk a little bit about it on a
Frequency podcast and we just ended us season ten. We
are starting season eleven next week. Our last episode was
about mother in law moving in and changing the dynamic
of the house. You could catch us on iTunes, Spotify,
Amazon Music, and on Instagram.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
We are Frequency Podcast. That's fr e.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Q u E nsh she podcast and our logo is
a lipstick and a microphone altogether.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
So if you see that, you know you've found us.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Nataka Dala Cruise when we come back the Hidden Gym
for this week on Later with Mo Kelly.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And now back to Nauka Dla Cruz with the Hidden
Gym for this week.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Thank you, Mo.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Today's Hidden Jem is Alicia Farro. She was born in Madrid, Espana, Spain.
She is a retired art teacher who firmly believes that
art is food for the soul. After moving to Los
Angeles in the early eighties, she quickly fell in love
with the city's vibrant culture. Throughout her teaching career, Duca
painted murals for schools and conducted art classes at the YMCA,
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sharing her passion for art with the community. Alicia understands
that every brushstroke tells a unique story. She believes that
art is therapeutic and powerful form of expression, whether it's
involves painting, cutting, pasting, using watercolors, or coloring with crayons
and colored pencils. Alicia is now a grandmother, and she
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takes great pride in the creations her grandchildren make for her,
proudly displaying them with a magnet on her refrigerator like
a lot of grandmothers do. Alicia discovered a flier promoting
a local volunteer event for a Big Sunday Dot Org.
Intrigued by the organization's mission, Alicia decided to get involved,
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not realizing the profound impact it would have on her life.
Her first project with Big Sunday Dot Org involved revitalizing
a rundown park in a marginalized neighborhood. Armed with paint, bushes,
gardening tools, and a team of enthusiastic volunteers, Alicia experienced
firsthand the transformative power of collective effort.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
As the park.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Blossomed into a vibrant communal space, She felt an overwhelming
sense of fulfillment, sparking a deep rooted commitment to the
organization's cause. Through her involvement with Big Sunday dot Org,
Alicia has demonstrated that community service extends far beyond just
being a volunteer. It's about building bridges, nurishing empathy, and
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creating lasting positive changes, as well as meaningful connections with
like minded individuals.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Big Sunday dot.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Org is a Los Angeles nonprofit organization dedicated to building
a community through service. Founded in nineteen ninety nine by
David Levinson, the organization has expanded, now engaging thousands of
volunteers annually with a large number of service projects, from
neighborhood cleanups and food drives to educational programs environmental initiatives.
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Big Sunday dot Org offers diverse opportunities for people of
all ages, all backgrounds to get involved and make a
difference beyond large events. Big Sunday runs several ongoing initiatives
to support different segments of the community. Programs like End
of the Month Club help fight food insecurity by organizing
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monthly food drives, while TGIW, which stands for Thank God
It Work, assists those struggling finding employment by providing job
readiness support. Additionally, Big Sunday host seasonal events such as
Back to School Drive, which they're going to have soon,
holiday parties, sing along, a lot of great stuff especially
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during the holidays as well. They try to get as
much as they try to get the community involved as
much as possible, And if you would like to get
involved or volunteer or donate, you could always visit bigsunday
dot org. Alicia Farro, I want to say thank you
for bringing a little bit of vibrant color to the world.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
With your kind and your kind heart.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And I just want to say thank you so much
for telling me your story and how you got involved,
and thank you for being today's hidden jem. And I
want to add I actually made a phone call. I
spoke to the founder of David the founder of Big
Sunday dot org. His name is David Levinson and one
of the things that intrigued me about this organization is
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I have never heard of an organization that helps other organizations.
So a nonprofit helping other nonprofits, and it's and they
do things at no cost for example, it's just not
for children.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
It's like for for example, the elderly.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
David was telling me that there was an elder woman
who needs her refrigerator broke and someone found out and
she couldn't afford it, and so they ended up finding
I don't know if it was through Facebook, Marketplace or something,
they got a refrigerator and they used some funding and
they gave it to her at no cost. And it's
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it's nonprofits helping nonprofits, and you don't hear much about
that much. I think is wonderful. And I think that
it's nice to have an anchor next to you to go, hey,
I could always call Big Sunday dot org and go
we need a little help of this, or we need
some volunteers, or how can you know, how can you
help us pass out flyers.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
And they're also having their fifteenth annual Back.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
To School Week, So if you would like to get involved,
like I said, go to Big Sunday dot org. That's
big Sunday dot org. They want volunteers to come together.
They're trying to get and fill up at least forty
five hundred backpacks.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
And how did you find Alicia?
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Alicia is okay? How do I explain this?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Alicia was refer to me of someone on LinkedIn who
was like, she has a great story. And speaking of LinkedIn,
I want to say to our listeners, thank you. I
do have an IG and I do have an email
if you would like it. It's Nautica on Air at
Gmail and on Instagram. I'm at Nautica de la Cruse
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on Instagram, but I've been getting messages on LinkedIn and
I'm like, oh, you could have emailed me, but that's okay,
find you whatever. I just love the stories and I
have another young gentleman that I want to interview. He
started a nonprofit and you know he wants to tell
his story too, So I think that's beautiful and I
want to say thank you so very much.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
And also be sure to check out Nautica Delight Cruise
on the Frequent She Yes podcast.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Yes, Season eleven is coming next week.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Follow us on Instagram at Frequent Sheet Podcasts, and you
could also follow me and.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
At Amy Lopez too.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
She is I don't want to say she's my co host,
she's my equal and we always have a great time.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
So it's great.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I'm sure we're going to have some really good conversations
in season eleven. We've been doing this since twenty oh gosh,
twenty twenty, I believe.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah, a lot of things came out of the pandemic. Huh.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
We were both going through stuff in life and we
were like, one day we went the cuffactho right here
in Burbank, and she said, Hey, what do you think
of this idea? And I was like, well great. I
was like, let's let's go on Amazon. Let's get two
wonderful road microphones and I'll get a you know, we'll
hook it up to my laptop and we started, and
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here we are four years later.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Amen to that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yes you're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand
from KFI AM six forty. Kelly Mark talks about partificates
about pop culture.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
Ronner Report with Mark Ronner.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Can't I'm o Kelly Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app Now,
Mark Runner with The Runner Report.
Speaker 8 (15:14):
Tonight, Batman Cape Crusader Now I'm going to get this
started and then open it up to argument and insults.
But first I'll admit up front, I don't watch a
lot of cartoons, sorry, animated shows. You know why time's
up because I'm an adult. But I got sucked into
the new Batman Cape Crusader series on Amazon Prime because
it's Batman and I'm a lifelong Batman nerd. I showed
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Twala my Batman underwear the other day and he didn't
He didn't.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Report me to HR either.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
I thought I was gonna sample one episode, then it
was four, then all of them. I'm not big on
impulse control.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Here's some of the trailer, asking the question on everyone's
mind these days, what do you think about the Batman?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
The whole city's gone to hell in a hand basket.
Speaker 9 (16:00):
He's breaking the lawn any so they ought to catch
that break and lock him up.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I won't say it's gonna be easy, but catching criminals
is what we do. So this one dresses up like Dracula,
So what we're gonna take him down?
Speaker 5 (16:13):
What do we know about this Batman?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
He's been beating the tar out of muggers and dope
petlas out there in the last few weeks, he's mostly
been seen at night driving that hot rot of his
one hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I know he's even attacking our brave.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Police nice car.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
This man is not a hero, He's a criminal at
his time in gotam is.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Pub mis chief of books.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Uh three explosions in two weeks, peculiar.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
There's something more going on here.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
Now, before we really get into this, these are some
of Mark's Batman rules. You like that if anyone tells
you the sixties Batman sucks and they don't like Adam West,
never listen to anything that person says again about anything, entertainment, politics, dating.
The person has nothing to offer you. That was point
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one point one and a half. Bird Ward is criminally
underrated and as hilarious as Robin and Brendan wwaits in
HBO's Titans was terrific as well.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Holy Holy Okay, let's go back to this number two.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
The more your hero has to endure, the more satisfying
the story. Batman and Daredevil were always my favorites because
they weren't overpowered. You and I couldn't kick their asses,
but they're human. They got to try harder, and they
rely on nerve. And brains and toughness and planning, and
they can get hurt. Number three, Gay jokes about Batman
and Robin are as hacky and offensive as it gets.
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Listen to me. Robin is a traumatized kid who needs
a dad after his parents are killed, and he gets
the best new dad in the world and they go
on adventures together. Okay, Batman's a traumatized adult who suffered
the same loss and he wants to help the boy.
Those jokes have always been stale. Zero point three and
a half. That said, I don't like Batman having a
succession of young wards, and I've lost track of how
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many there have been. One is heartwarming, A stable of
them not so much.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Now.
Speaker 8 (18:15):
Batman Cape Crusaders ten half hour episodes on Amazon Prime
and it's set in the forties with a pulpy noir
look and feel. It features a younger Batman who's just
forming his relationships with characters we all know, and he's
kind of an a hole. I like this physical depiction
of Batman, not covered with body armor, not looking like
a full time body builder on steroids. Do a Google
(18:37):
search for Batman Thought Factory poster. What you'll find is
an image from nineteen seventy seven by the famous movie
poster artist Drew Strusan. You'll recognize the style immediately. He
did Star Wars and et posters. I think he did
Blade Run or two. It's one of the best ever
renderings of Batman. It's about like you picture in real life,
but still a guy in a batsuit. The bat fights
(18:58):
in this cartoon are different. They're always different in any
incarnation of Batman. If you remember, Michael Keaton looked like
he'd barely move or turn his head in his costume.
I like those Christian Bale Batman movies, but his big
fight with Baine looked like he was medicated, and we
could go down the whole list. We don't have time
for that. The fights in Cape Crusader are really nicely executed,
(19:18):
no pow or wham stuff. There's a time and a
place for that. Batman takes some punches, but he's tough,
he's smart. It's only fairly recently the cartoons bothered to
choreograph their fight action, and you can actually follow the
movements in Batman Cape Crusader. There's even a supernatural episode
involving some sort of homicidal horseman and I thought, oh, yeah,
that works more supernatural stuff with Batman.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Why wouldn't you.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
The Alfred in this show is shorter and dumpier and
looks more like hair Cool Poirot than the Alfred were
used to. And by the way, the one we're used
to is a knockoff of Hobson the butler John Gielgod
played for Dudley Moore and Arthur Remember that would you
like me to wash your bo for you? That one
back in nineteen eighty six when Frank Miller's The Dark
Knight Turns became one of the two things that changed
(20:02):
comics and pop culture forever, along with Alan Moore's Watchman.
Miller based his Alfred on Gilgood, this bitingly sarcastic but
hyper competent butler and the Cape crusader Bruce Wayne calls
him by his last name though Pennyworth. I don't care
for that or their relationship at all. But remember it's
younger Batman and he's not a static character.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Here things change.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
There's one scene between young Bruce and Alfred in a
flashback that made me think, oh, they're onto something here.
Sometime after Bruce's parents are killed, Alfred wakes up in
the middle of the night to see young Bruce standing
in the shadows in his doorway, looking almost possessed with
grief and anger, and the boy says something along the
lines of I'm gonna get them all, every last one
(20:44):
of them, Alfred, And they had me right there. Other
characters in Batman Cape Crusader are changed more. There's a
female penguin. Harley Quinn is black and gay. Now Commissioner
Gordon and his daughter Barbara are black. And here we go.
I don't really like these conversations because they usually open
the door for assorted bigots and dopes, and I'm not
(21:05):
really interested in their opinions. You talking about race swapping
of the characters, correct, Yeah, these conversations. Yeah, the conversations
get tedious. And I'll open this up in a second.
But the first thing you got to do is ask
what's achieved with these changes in this case. I don't
know if it's much more than mixing things up for
the characters that have been around for eighty years, give
or take. Maybe it's just a diversity move. I don't
(21:26):
know whether it's Batman or say James Bond. I generally
think if you want to change a character very much.
Just make a new character. I'm not interested in a
female four or whatever they did to sub Mariner in
that Black Panther sequel, or throwing a bone to the
LGBTQ crowd by making the Golden Age Green Lantern Alan
Scott gay. And by the way, way to take a
risk there, DC, try it out on a really old
(21:48):
character and nobody knows or cares about it anymore. And
by the way, you remember Green Lantern, the Silver age
one he's allergic to. His weakness is yellow, The Golden
Age Green Lantern weakness is woold. Did anybody think this through? Second,
all superheroes are gay? I thought everyone knew that. Who
else has abs and capes? And the answer about the
(22:09):
three hundred movie is well, yes, obviously, just make it
a new character. I think there's going to be a
female Silver Surfer in the new Fantastic Four movie, and
nobody wants that, even if it's based on one that
eventually was in the comics that said, if it's done well,
it sticks.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
I mentioned Alfred.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
I also like Nick Fury, the one I grew up with,
but the Samuel Jackson Fury grew on me and it
didn't disappear the old one.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
We'll always have that.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
Crappy David Hasselhoff Nick Fury movie from nineteen ninety eight too.
There's lots to nitpick about Cape Crusader, but it's got
enough going on for it. I plowed through that whole
thing in short order. Mo twala, time for you to
weigh in.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Okay, if you don't watch animated media for adults, there's
something wrong with you. And everything you said after that
was invalid. Everything a little harsh. It's a little accurate.
I mean saying I don't want but I'm saying, if
you don't watch it, how are you to then critique
it or review it if it's not even a genre.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
You closely follow like you would anything else. It's a
story with a beginning, middle, and end and elements that
are familiar to people who consume items on Earth.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Well, it's not that complicated.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
But the fact that you are some type of shut
in you can't open yourself up to adult animation.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
It's weird. But it's.
Speaker 9 (23:32):
This series, and I've watched up to episode eight and
it is. It is done by the same team essentially
that did the Batman animated series of the nineties. Which
was really really good, and that is the staple for
Batman's stories. If you have not watched Batman the animated
(23:54):
series with Kevin Conroy as the voice and Bruce Timm
and all that creative team that brought us such amazing stories,
then this may seem new for me.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
This wasn't new.
Speaker 9 (24:06):
This was Bruce tim with JJ Abrams and the guy
Matt Breeves I think who's involved in the Batman's They
all got together and said, hey, we want to do
a new, updated version of that old series. And to me,
the writing, it's okay. You know, there are some familiar
names friends of yours, Mark that are writing on it,
(24:26):
ed Brew Baker and things like that. But I watched
I said to myself, this is this is a more
adult version as far as the language and the interactions
between some of the characters are a lot more adult
than the Batman animated series, because that was a serial
that ran on TV for kids. But as an adult watching,
I was like, these stories are very very grown. These
(24:49):
are adult stories that are told, So I thought it
was okay to me. The race swapping of Jim Gordon
and Barbara Gordon making Penguin woman stuff like that was
just silly. It was like, like, who is that for?
Because it's not part of the advertisement, and that's not
something that's in the story that's supposed to draw in,
you know, viewers, So it's like, why do it outside
(25:10):
of just saying, ah, we want to do something new,
you know, it's it's cool. I like the storytelling. I
like the action. It's a little disjointed in how it's
told as just one thing happens after another, and there's
no real through line outside of Batman, which throws me
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
But it's all right, all right, let me just I
haven't seen this series, but let me just be contrarian
for a moment.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Throw some monkey wrenches in both your arguments.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I'm not a fan of the race swapping of characters either,
But I also know that these stories were written at
a time where Gotham you can't see my air quotes,
and the analog to it, New York looked very different
and America looks very different than today. And if you're
telling a story about Gotham air quotes analogue New York,
(25:56):
it would kind of make sense if.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It looked different from the nineteen fifty sixties.
Speaker 9 (26:00):
Would it not this story being told in the nineteen fifties,
sixtiesies or for Yeah, even then, some of the things
that are in it don't make sense. James Gordon being
black and also being you know, the top cop stuff
like that is like wait, what the things like that
(26:23):
are the things that stand out? And they even made
note of it there. There's even an episode where the
mayor says, you know, basically, you know, James, you're a
DEI higher. Don't forget that really basically, you know, he
alludes to it. So it's like one of those like
you know, you're are you know me hiring you was
already supposed to be a good thing for the community.
Now what are you so stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I'm like, so through a contemporary lens, yes, set in
the forties. Yeah, so you throw that in there, and
I'm like, so, did you put a black James Gordon
because you want to say that because the character's not black,
and there's no need to make him black because that's
not something that we're going to Batman for. We don't
go to Batman like man.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
If there's no black James Gordon, I'm not watching it.
This is not how it works. James Gordon, that's gonna
make me watch it.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And that's that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (27:13):
Throughout all of the race swapping and gender swapping that
Marvel and DC and all these things companies have done,
none of that was done to draw us in because
it's not part of the advertisement. It's one thing if
you say, hey, you know you put Idris elba as
a hemdel out front in the advertisement of the film,
maybe that. But if it's just we go in and
(27:34):
watch the film, then I then I I'm against the
argument that that's to bring in a broader audience because
none of those things were used to get us in there.
The main character is Superman, Batman, spider Man. We go
in to see them, so when you're surprised, it's like, haha,
well all of a sudden, make you know, Robbie Robertson
black is like what why?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Or not Robbie Robinson.
Speaker 9 (27:56):
But Perry Perry White, Yeah, you're gonna make him black,
And you know that's like, but why when you have
Robbie Robinson who is black. So that's what I'm saying.
You could have made Laurence Fishburn Robbie Robinson. You could
have just done that instead of changing the race. You
don't have to change the gender of characters just because
you want women to go see films or superhero films.
(28:19):
Use this established female superheroes that you already have. So
if not, what you're saying is, hey, ladies, yes, we
know you've read about these characters all along, but they
don't matter enough for us to respect your nerdism. We're
gonna change a character that you know as a guy
and make that one of a woman.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Why, that's what I saying.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
I don't like it when they do that, because you're
disrespecting the intelligence of the people who are core fans
for this product and also then disrespecting those who aren't.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Well, the only thing is we do have to go
to break.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I don't think any of this stuff, for the most part,
is about the core fans. I think, and that goes
back to our earliest conversation. They want to make content
that people are gonna watch, regardless of how they get
there or why they can there. It's fair, it's later
with mo Kelly. We'll get it on the other side. Mark,
you have the quote on it, well good everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
We're doing a special actually carryover version of the RUNA
Report because Mark Roner was getting into it regarding this
new Batman animated series. It inspired a lot of debate
beyond just the show itself. And you were going to say, Mark, well,
we were talking.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
About swapping genders and races and whatever of characters, and
I think we actually all wound up agreeing that we're
not really into it unless there's a good reason to
do it.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Do I have that right to wal No?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
No, absolutely, he's actually in the other studio getting calls,
but yes, I could answer for him that, No, none
of us are into it. It doesn't add to the story,
It doesn't add to the interest of people wanting to
see the story. And so it's actually answering a question
that nobody asked, and it's trying to solve a problem
that doesn't exist.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
Yeah, I mean, I guess they were trying to update it.
You got to figure that, like nineteen forties Gotham City
was awfully white, right, Yeah, it would have to have been.
And when you look at the stuff we grew up
watching on TV Network TV, remember like Uhura and on
Star Trek and Peggy on Mannix. Those were two of
the only non white people who were regulars on network TV.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, with the exception of a couple of other shows,
not going to get into that, but very very few.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
But TV usually, and this.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Is the counter argument, TV televisions programming usually reflects the
times in which we live, not necessarily the times in
which they're set. Star Trek had a lot of people
of color on it and was set well into the future.
It didn't reflect society at that time, So it can
go either way.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Yeah, that's true, and I mean you're gonna run into static,
I would imagine in the year of Our Lord twenty two,
twenty four, if you want to put any show on
the air which is just nothing but white people and
nobody else on it, because that's just not the reality
that we live with anywhere. I mean, not even in
Spokane where I grew up. Okay, and that's the whitest
(31:13):
city I've ever seen. Well, television is programmed for the
big cities. That's where your biggest media markets are Number
one New York, number two, Los Angeles, and so forth.
And if you're talking about major metropolitan areas they are
very diverse, and if you're trying to reach those areas,
then yes, you probably would have programming which is more,
(31:36):
which more reflects those demographics. Yeah, and you and I
have both been in media for a really long time,
and we've had all sorts of diversity training, and I've
even been put, as punishment, believe it or not, on
a diversity committee. No, because I pointed I worked at
Gannett and Gannett is notorious. Gannet's the big newspaper chain
that runs USA today and I don't know what the
(31:56):
number of total papers they have is now, but it
used to be one hundred to two hunds. I pointed
out that they get scores like management gets scores for
like the number of minorities in a photograph or that
kind of thing. They'll and they'll send a photographer to
chase after the one person of color in a crowd
of thousands because they get some career advantage out of that.
(32:18):
And I found that to be a little on the
dishonest side. And this punishment, I was put on the
diversity committee, which is weird because it's a thing in
real life that ordinarily I would support and have no
problem with.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Well, I don't know if we'll be able to solve
the ills of America or whether, let me put it
another way, I don't know if entertainment can solve the
ills of America. But there is evidence to suggest that
entertainment has pushed us in the right direction over the
years and decades. Even though I don't agree with a
lot of the decisions which are made in entertainment.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
I think that this is something that you have to accept,
even more than you were arguing earlier in the show,
that we have to accept AI, And there's your call back,
Oh yeah, well, but I I don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
If I want to make the subtle distinction.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
We don't necessarily have to accept it, and that's different
from acknowledging that we can't prevent it. What I mean is,
I'm not going to accept racism in society. Okay, that's
just me as an African American man, I'm not just
going to accept it.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
But I'm also.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I'm not naive to think that we will ever be
without it in society.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Now we're finding that out. Yes on something, that's.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
All I'm going to say it Just each and every
time it rears its ugly head, in front of me.
I'm going to kick it in its teeth, but I'm
not so naive to think that it will ever be
gone in my lifetime.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
That's all.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
When you kick it in its teeth, I want you
wearing a cape.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
I don't. I don't wear the cape. I can see it.
It's the cape.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
It's it's the speedo, the colored speedos.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
It's no, that's perfect. And the boats. Oh yeah, you
got to have boots, big, big tall boots. Look at
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