August 28, 2024 • 33 mins
ICYMI: Hour Three of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – A look at the 2024 winners and losers at the summer box office AND Director Quentin Tarantino’s pick for perfect movie trilogy…PLUS – The Later Crew ponder their top pick for favorite film trilogy - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Forty, and it's coming to the end of summer. Summer
is winding down, and with it, the summer box office
is pretty much over. There are no real big tent
pole movies to look forward to. And if you've been
with Later with mo Kelly for more than a year.
We talked last year talking about twenty twenty three, how
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that the movie theater industry, talking about movie houses, they
would need some really big movies that are going to
stay in theaters for a prolonged period of time to
make it financially worthwhile for theaters. It's one thing to
have a great summer season, but you don't have a
great fall or winter or even spring season. And also
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if you just have these big blockbusters, well you have
to make sure that they're going to stay in theaters
long enough so people can actually see them during the week.
Because now I know that if a movie it's not
going to be in theaters for more than thirty thirty
five days, and if I'm not in a rush to
see it, I can wait. I'll wait for it to
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show up on streaming digital download. And that has hurt
the industry as well. I know that I'm not the
only one, but think of it this way. For all
that we remember about last year's supposed, suppose great summer
box office season, it was the year of Barbenheimer. Remember
that Barbie Oppenheimer. They both did close to a billion.
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Obviously Barbie did more than a billion. I think Oppenheimer
got to maybe nine hundred million something like that. But
those are the two real big movies where people were
saying like, hey, you know, movies are back, We're back
to going.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
To the theater.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And I said, no, no, no, that was an aberration.
That was the exception which has proven the rule. And
now I have some figures to back it up. This
particular movie season, this summer block foster season, and it's
basically over generated three point three four billion dollars this
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summer movie season this year. Last year with Barbie and Oppenheimer,
four point seventy five billion, And I said that was
an aberration. Yes, it saved a lot of movie theaters,
but you would not be able to sustain that, And
now we've seen it's not sustained. In fact, they are
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down excuse me, four point zero three billion last year
now twenty thirteen is four point seven billion. So ten
plus years ago, before the pandemic, during the height of
movie theaters, I would say popularity, it was bringing in
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close to five billion.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Now we're down to three point three billion.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It is a sliding scale and movie theaters are not
going to be able to continue at the rate that
they're going point the only thing which can save them
is if you have hit movies which stay in theaters
for a longer amount of time.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Let's drill down.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
For all the criticism of Disney, well you know who
the biggest winner of this year's summer movie season Disney Deadpool,
Wolverine more than a billion Pixars Inside Out to more
than one point five billion. Say what you want about Disney,
but they're still on top. And if you're curious, both
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Inside Out too and Deadpool and Wolverine costs two hundred
million each to produce, but they have multipliers of six
and seven, respectively. So yeah, you do that. You'll spend
two hundred million to make one point six million. You'll
spend two hundred million to make one point two billion.
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Only Disney can say that. And if you look at
the other movies that I guess were somewhat high anticipated
they didn't perform if with Ryan Reynolds, a star in
his own right, didn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
The Fall Guy.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Look, I really didn't want to see it, but I
saw it when it came out on streaming, and I
was very glad that I didn't see it in theaters.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
It was you know, it was eh, it was men.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I tried to warn you you did, but you know
it was fine to watch it home for basically free.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
That that wasn't exclusively on streaming. No, that was in theaters.
I think Mark saw it in theaters.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I did, yes, Oh wow, okay, right right, and we
all saw in theaters.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Curiosa.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
That movie seriously underperformed for various reasons. And if you
look at the movies which weren't sequels, just about all
of them did poorly or underperformed, like, for example, Kevin
Costner's Horizon, fly Me to the Moon, m Night, Shyamalan's Trap.
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None of those movies did any real box office but
the sequels Kingdom of the Planet, of the Apes and
just about all the obviously inside out.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Those movies did well. Did Pool Wolverine.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's a sequel that did well, but the original movies
did not. And for all the complaints that we hear
about oh my gosh, another superhero movie, another sequel, well
I got news for you. It was only the sequels
and superhero movies which performed and saved your favorite movie
theater this summer.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Those are just the facts.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
For all they say about oh, I'm tired of superhero movies, well,
no you're not, because you're still going to them.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I don't think a lot of people understand what a
huge gamble any movie is. And when they're throwing a
one hundred million, two hundred million at a movie, that's
a big deal. That's uh, you know, it's a huge
Ryan Reynolds had no idea that that was going to
pay off the way it did.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
No, did not.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
But a lot of original movies, a lot of original concepts,
non sequels, historically don't do well. This summer prove positive
of that. I wanted to see The Bike Riders. Still
haven't gotten around to.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
See it yet.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
It failed financially. It's on one of the streamers, and
it's already it's worth watching. Okay on Peacock. Yeah, okay,
so is the Kevin Costner Horizon movie. And I watched
that over the weekend and I'll probably talk about it Friday.
But it's really too bad that that didn't find an
audience in theaters. But what I just to finish my thought,
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these sequels and remakes and things that people are familiar
with are a safer bet for the studios when all
that is being put out now is big budget tent
poles and little teeny movies and not a whole lot
in between.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, it's a say for bet because you don't have
to start from square one. There's a reference point when
you say Furiosa. Oh, okay, I already know that character.
I know it's connection to the Mad Max universe. Oh,
Deadpool of Wolverine. Yes, I've seen Deadpool one, Deadpool two,
I've seen all the X Men movies. I'm familiar with
Hugh Jackman. There's a reference point. You're not starting over
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the Bike Riders. Who's in that, Tom Hardy?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
No.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
But my point is.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You don't have you're starting at square one, and you
have to spend more money to publicize that movie, and
you have to buy into a movie which on.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
The surface is not all that special, and it's interesting
because it has the ratings on Peacock and it has
a pretty good rating from Rotten Tomatoes. So I guess
it's just like you said, didn't find an audience. Now, no,
it found an audience. The issue is, and what this
article really points out is that, especially during the summer,
what made the summer box office what it was was
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what action movies. Action movies are what brought butts into
theaters during the summer, and a lot of Hollywood studios
forgot that. They thought that people wanted to get out
the sun and watch some our tour porn fest.
Speaker 7 (08:04):
No, no one wants to see that. Deadpool Wolverine is
proof that NonStop action and superhero films are not exhausting
or overdone. If you do them right, they will be there.
But even the low budgeted, this worst action film brought
people to theaters. That's a fact. People say, you know what,
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I need some action. I'll go see Aliens robbing this hell.
I'll even go see The Crow because I need But
the Crow did a lot better than Horizon. Well there's
a race to the bottom. And so now we don't
even know if the rest of the Horizon movies are
going to get finished. I know that he's filming more
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right now for streaming. I would love to see the
story finished one way or the other, because I'll tell
you this.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You in three people, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
If you like, if you like Lonesome Dove or How
the West Was Won, you must see this four people. Okay,
forget real obscure here. Those are such obscure. It's a
water world set in the desert. What your question is
pointless because you have no desire for me to give
you a genuine answer. You're just looking for something to mock,
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and I won't. I won't do that, right, Look, I
don't have to mock it. It costs a hundred million
to make and they only made like thirty four million
of it, and it bombed horrendously, killed any chance at
sequels going into movie theaters.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's not my fault.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Don't you at least respect the nerve of an artist
who takes a risk like that with his own money
like that. Francis for Toppola's Megalopolis is coming out right now,
and he financed that on himself.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
Yea, And I don't think I want to say that's
going to be boring trash.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
That is going to bomb, That going to bomb Deadpool
Wolverine was going to be a massive hit.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
We can get the audio of need Be.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Okay, I'm saying right now, Megapolis is going to bomb horrendously, tragically, inevitably.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
It might because Deadpool and Wolverine and things like that
are crowd pleasers, and these others are more adult movies too.
That well, whatever, I don't I.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Don't want to hear adult movies. That that is such
a dismissing rights.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
You're not adult. We don't, can't, we can't appreciate this
type of movie.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Well, listen to the way YouTube clowns were mocking. Score
says He's last one course, Oh here we go, here
we oh, look at the Killers of.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
The Flower Planet. What was it called? We're up against
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Speaker 1 (10:28):
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Speaker 2 (10:34):
Quentin Tarantino, I think he is a brilliant film director.
He's just not my cup of tea. He's one of
those going back to the discussion of you know, you
have to pick and choose as far as where the
line is who you would interview or who you want
to talk to. He's not someone I probably want to
interview because he the way he does his movies and
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his use of the N word, it's just something that
really really great. In fact, any movie that has that
in it, I just I can't. I just can't get
past that. But I could acknowledge that Quentin Tarantino is
a massive talent. I'm trying to, like, you know, compartmentalize
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all this. The point of this is Quentin Tarantino sat
down with Bill Maher for Bill Maher's podcasts, and of
course they were talking about movies, and for Quentin Tarantino,
he thinks that he will never watch Toy Story four.
In fact, they're getting ready to make Toy Story five.
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His reasoning is Toy Story three, or I should say,
the trilogy is one of the best ones that he's
ever seen, and for them to do something in Toy
Story four for him would ruin it.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
There's no more story to tell. He doesn't.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Well, let me just play the audio for you. This
is Quentin Tarantino with Bill Maher.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
I am a big fan of the Toy Story trilogy.
Turfuitness just magnificent. It's one of the best nobodys I've
ever seen, and if you've seen the other two, then
it's just it's devastated three years later or something.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
They did a fourth and I have no desire to
see it.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
You literally ended the story as perfect as you could,
so no, I don't care. If it's good. I'm done.
It can still be good, but I'm done.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I disagree with them. I understand what he's saying, but
I disagree with them. I'll give you an example. I
loved the original Star Wars trilogy. Wouldn't say it was perfect,
but I loved it. And when I love something like that,
I always would like to see more from that world.
And I can separate a trilogy from the next trilogy,
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like if this is going to be Toy Story four,
five and six, I would like to see that story.
I like to visit that world again. Even with Alien
talked about Alien Romulus. You know, you had basically four
legitimate alien movies, not counting the Alien Versus Predator. But
it's a universe that I wanted to go back to,
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assuming that the story was right. I don't have those
types of limitations that qut In Tarantino does. But we're
you know, some of us are purists. We all got
our hang ups. But I was curious. It's like, okay, well,
is there a perfect movie trilogy out there? Did he
find one? Has he seen one? How would he characterize
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the perfect movie trilogy? And he got there, and believe
it or not, is not what I would agree with.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
I think there's only one trilogy that completely and utterly
works to the nth degree, and that's fist fil of
dollars for a few dollars more in the Good in
the Band, the ugg It's one director vision, Sergiulioni. It
does what no other trilogy has ever been quite able
to do.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
The first movie is terrific. The second movie is so great.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
It takes the whole idea to such a bigger canvas
that it obliterates the first one.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Then the third one.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Good in the Band the Ugly does the same thing
to the second one. Mad Max Road Warrior and well
Beyond Thunderdome doesn't.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Dwarf road Warrior.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Kind of agree, kind of disagree. I agree that when
you have a trilogy with a single director, you have
a unified vision that usually pans out better than having
three different directors for three movies in a trilogy. It
didn't work with the second Star Wars trilogy. It doesn't
work with subsequent Alien movies. It didn't work with the
subsequent Predator movies or the die Hard movies. Once you
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have different directors, more times than not it feels disjointed
because you're not going to have the same type of
feeling or just a vision of the characters. And also
how you tell the story. What say you, Mark Well?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I watched a good deal of that interview last night,
and I don't agree with Tarantino on everything, but he
knows enough that if I disagree with him, I think
whatever he has to say is worth considering. And so
when he made that point about the Dollars trilogy, I thought,
you know, I wouldn't have thought of that if somebody
asked me what the best trilogy of all time was.
But now that he puts that in my head, I'm
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not sure I can think of one that was better done.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
We'll put it this way, I would, well, Godfather three
was horrible, Yes it was, I can't I was like, no,
the third one, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But put it this way.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I don't know if the three parts of the trilogy
he's mentioned are individually good enough for me to say
best trilogy.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
It's kind of obscure in the year of our twenty
twenty four right to cite those sixty spaghetti westerns. But
they're magnificent movies. I mean, the first two are more
pulpy and the third one is just a full on epic,
And if you haven't seen him, or if you haven't
seen him in a while, they're worthree visiting.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
They're really good.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
And if you had any doubt that Clint Eastwood was
one of the coolest men ever to walk the face
of the earth.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Just watch those. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I think I would want to sit down, scroll through
IMDb and really deep into my personal film history to
see if I can find what I would think to
be a better trilogy, because none of those movies, to me,
are like top ten best of lists, and I think
there needs to be some great movies for it to
be the greatest trilogy of all time. I get the
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point that he's trying to make, as far as that
cohesive through line through all the movies and how the
end movie doesn't dwarf the preceding movies.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I get all that.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I just think there's probably another trilogy that I have
not thought of at this moment, which I would rather submit.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I wonder what listeners think. I'd be curious, because there's
got to be something that I haven't thought of. I
think they made a good point about the Mad Max movies.
The middle one, The Road Warrior is easily in the
top ten action films of all time. I can't even
tell you how many times I've seen that first one,
very promising, third one got a little too big, kind
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of crap the bed a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, and look, first thing is usually a great trilogy.
The second movie has to somehow supplant or be better
than the first movie. Empire strikes Back better than a
New Hope, dare to say.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah, But then the third one with the Ewoks, that
was terrible.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Right, that's my point, But I'm saying there has to
be a growth in progression for it to be a
great trilogy.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, no question, no question. I'm going to watch the
rest of that interview tonight. But my tolerance for Bill
Maher is really decreasing as I get older.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I think most people, you know, I can tell you
some stories, oh yeah, oh yeah, please do yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
He's real good friends with my old boss, so you know,
I mean, we've just ensured that neither of us will
ever get invited onto his show.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
But no, no, no, that's part I'm quite sure that's part
of the reason why I've never been invited on.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
I'm positive, Well, we weren't going to be anywhere. No,
not at all. And it's okay, it really is okay. No,
he doesn't want people on there who are going to
eat his lunch. He stacks that panel with people who
are going to stuck up to him.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Oh, it's just like the beginning of Rocky three. Those
are all, you know, shot fighters past their prime.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
You know, those are hand picked. It's a challenge Bill.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
Wait, you just see you don't think that Rocky one, two,
and three are are in the running for the greatest
trilogy of all.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
That's a great point. That's a great point. Think about that.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Rock That's a great point three, because there's no loss
in quality by the time you get to three.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It's the problem is four.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
But but if you just stick with Rocky one, two, three,
that is a pitch personal trilogy.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I don't I don't, look, I don't know if I
can argue with that. I have to think about that.
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Speaker 3 (18:45):
He might be right, which I hate to admit.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
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Speaker 2 (18:58):
Last second, we were talking about what but Quentin Tarantino
had to say about the best movie trilogy of all
time as he saw it, I.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Think there's only one trilogy that completely and utterly works
to the nth degree, and that's fist fil of dollars
for a few dollars more in the Good in the Band,
the one director vision SERGILIONI. It does what no other
trilogy has ever been quite able to do.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
The first movie is terrific.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
The second movie is so great and takes the whole
idea to such a bigger canvas that it obliterates the
first one. Then the third one, Good in the Band
the Ugly does the same thing to the second one.
Mad Max Road Warrior and They'll Beyond Thunderdome doesn't Dwarf
road Warrior.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So it got us thinking about any movie trilogy, because
I thought the Clint Eastwood trilogy was great, but I
don't know if any movie individually in that was fantastic,
and I think you need to have fantastic movies to make.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Up a trilogy. I don't know. Those are kind of
fighting words.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
The second one is really fantastic and the third one
is an epic in its own right.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
All right, that's it's all subjective. I mean, you've been
known to be wrong most of the time, so that's okay.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Wait what what?
Speaker 5 (20:10):
What?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
But got us thinking about movie trilogies, and the first
one that came to mind is said Godfather is like
no because of the third movie, and Tuala you came
up with a great response Rocky one, two, and three,
And it's hard because we don't Rocky was Academy Award winning?
Did it win Rest Screenplay nineteen seventy six?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I believe, got to look it up.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, I know it was nominated. I know that for
a fact. I want to think that it won. But
you know, it's it's in good company and I'm trying
to think of any other worthy trilogy of consideration. Now
this may be heresy for some, but hear me out
because we're talking about acting performances and everything. I say
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Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy worthy of consideration.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I was gonna say that too.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
Yeah, but no, the first one. The first one was lacking.
The first one was lacking. We are all in love
with the second one. But if you go back and
even try to rewatch the first.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
One, I do.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I've watched Batman Begins a number of times, it fails.
It really does feel it doesn't hold up. Is it
because of your hate for Liam Neeson or playing No,
it has nothing to do with that, sob at all.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
It is purely just for me rewatching that one. The
story does not hold and it drags too much, and
it really puts Batman in a bad life for who
we know Batman is supposed to be. It's like, this
is not really a Batman worthy of it. I like
the Bruce Wayne didn't like the Batman, and the villain
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was not really all that impressive. But when you get
to Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker, we had never
seen any villain of that caliber ever before, and then
it did kick it up a notch. Even though it
dragged the Dark Knight rises that was a great, great villain.
It was just way too thought out, and after when
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it got to the end, you're like, Okay, let's either
drop the bomb or whatever. It does not necessarily hold
up Rocky from when you look at the progression, you
look at the succession, you look at improving on the
story one through line. You put Rocky one, two, and
three right next to each other, it plays like one
seamless film. Nothing is off, it goes up. It just
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goes up. Rocky one was phenomenal. We were all shook
by the fact he didn't win Rocky two. We felt
vindicated because he did win, but Rocky three brought into
question his ability and really put him in a real fight.
We really thought that Stevester Sloan was a real fighter
going up against Club Lane. We was like, this is
riveting and it holds up through the test of times.
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We're talking a good thirty forty years and it's spoilers.
It's still one of the best trilogies ever done. And
I get to look my one of my personal favorites
is the Back to the Future trilogy, only because of
how the third one ended.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Maybe not that I like the way it ended, but
that But that's just me.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
But I'm talking like universal you cannot point anything wrong
with them. You can't pick apart Rocky one two three. No, look,
I would rather have Rocky one two three. I mean,
I can't argue against that.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And there are a lot of trilogies where they have
one or two good movies, like, for example, The Matrix.
I think that could have been in All Time Great trilogy,
but they messed up the second movie so badly. Yeah,
and I think it was more a rush because they
filmed two and three reloaded and what's the third one called,
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I don't know, el Revolution?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, sure, yeah, why not?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
And they did them back to back and it felt
like one long movie and it didn't seem like there
were two distinct movies with storylines and the three act
progression because the second movie ended so damn abruptly like
mid Story. Wasn't like Empire Strikes Back. No, you didn't
have any type of climactic moment. It just said like
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and now we go to commercial. We'll see you in
three years.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It just felt very abrupt. But that could have been.
It didn't turn out that, so I don't I can't
really disagree completely with what Quentin Tarantino said, but I'm
not so sure that I would.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I would go with.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Rocky before if you put Rocky up against the Clinton
Eastwood Films, you would walk away with a more fulfilled
film going experience. Like if what you one called films?
What's the name of that company that does all those
trilogies and things they bring up? Fathom Films. The Fathom
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Films did two of trilogy screenings and they did the good,
the Bad, and the ugly versus Rocky.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Rocky would be the winner. All right, what about Penitentiary one, two,
and three. That's that's good. That's some good storytelling. Come
on now, you can't dismiss it out of hand. Leon
Isaac Kennedy, Jane Kennedy.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
It was very, very Those were rough to watch. It's
rough man.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Those are cinematic pieces of gold Man.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
No, I can't.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I can't really find any other comparable trilogy, just trying
to think about one where each movie of the trilogy
is strong in its own right.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah. I don't watch those Hobbit movies.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
No, I did, and I and I thought there was
Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. They were not good
movies to me.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
They're not my cup of tea. But people seem to
like them. They do.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
People like a lot of walking and talk a lot
of talking people like going on that walking talking adventure
and hearing all that gibberish.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I liked the animated versions better than actually live movies the.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Elf Baksci one, yes, okay, but no the live action.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I mean, you know, yeah, no, no no. I also
like taking ambient so right.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
You know, people are furries out there, the people into
a lot of stuff. Okay, it doesn't mean that it's good,
all right, all right, hear me out. What about the
Blade trilogy? No, the third one was garbage. The third
one drake horrible. It was horrible.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I didn't mind the third one. That one's it was
the weakest of the three, but it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
But it wasn't a good movie in its own right.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
And you're I think you are casting the Blade trilogy
overall the feeling for it, But that third movie was garbage.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
I mean, for me, you could throw in the Captain
America trilogy First Avenger, Winter Soldier, and Civil War, right,
and that's a solid trilogy, but not enough people were
feeling the first one that even though the first one
said it off. The first one was a fun adventure,
but it was so pink by numbers compared to The Rocketeer.
But yeah, by itself, not enough people like that, but
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of course everyone will swear by Winter Soldier, and you know,
civil war is infallible.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
So you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yeah, I don't usually think of those as a trilogy
so much as part of the big Marvel phases that
they were involved in. But I think The Winter Soldier
is easily Marvel's high point, the best, without a doubt.
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Speaker 2 (27:46):
And before we get out of here, I'm still racking
my brain, Mark, I'm still racking my brain.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I'm not gonna let it go.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I think there's some trilogy that we're overlooking somewhere that
is right in front of us. And I was thinking,
it's like, no, it's not Chronicle of Darnia, it's it's
not Lord of the Rings. I just feel like there's
one that we're just missing that it's really obvious, and
it's not a Marvel trilogy.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I don't think of anything like that.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
But you know, now my mind goes back to like
Hammer films, like the Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing stuff,
right right, I really can't find fault with Tula bringing
up Rocky. Those first three were really solid.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Maybe you can say, well, a trilogy is only three movies.
And to Quentin Tarantino's point, he was saying about Toy
Story four, you know, if you've already told that complete story,
you know what more story is there to tell? And
in a way you're taking away from the original trilogy
if you don't leave it alone. I think there is
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something to be said for that. But I am more
of the opinion that, look, if I love the universe,
I will keep going back to it.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
And that's part of the reason why you.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Saw a Rocky four, you saw a Rocky five, and
you see the the Creed franchise, because people do love
that universe, they love those characters. I don't know if
you can say that about a lot of trilogies.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
No, no, and we go.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
I'm thinking about Star Trek and yeah, all the all
the series. Got to hate the word franchise when it
comes to movies. It's like, what kind of what kind
of insider producer business mogul do you think you are
talking about movie franchises? But I love the Star Trek series.
Those first half a dozen of those were good. The
first half a dozen James Bond movies were all you need. Yeah,
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but see James Bond. That's that to me is a franchise.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You can't call those a trilogy. There's no story arts.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Yeah no, there's almost no connective tissue in any of
them until you get to the Daniel Craig ones.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, all right, hear me out here, me out will
Deadpool will be in the conversation ten years from now.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
What do you mean, I think so? I think so? Trilogy? Yeah,
I think so.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
I actually, you know what, absolutely, because Deadpool one was great,
Deadpool two was phenomenal, and dead Pool three was out
of control.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
And I know recentcy bias, but still the first two
movies are pretty damn strong.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, yeah, times like.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
You can watch the first two over and over and
over for all types of different reasons, and it stands.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
It is a great comedy, a great action movie.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
And when you watch them as a whole, you see
that there is actually some real heart and some substance
to the character that you may not have noticed at first,
but you go back and you say, man, they've really
been telling a story about this character's development as a
human being as an individual across three films, and very bold, bold,
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willing to take risks that are not a lot of
others weren't.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
But it won't get the critical acclaim, It won't get
the type of credit that other movies will because it
is still quote unquote a superhero movie. There probably won't
be any oscars coming out in the top four categories
for Deadpool, even though I can appreciate the subtleties that
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you talked about. You know, Ryan Reynolds is not going
to be up for Best Actor, but in these other
trilogies you've had that one standout performance. At least the
industry recognized that would be my only drawback. But me personally,
I would put it in the conversation. Recency bias, yes,
but I'd still put it in the conversation totally legit.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
They're really fun movies, and the first two it hasn't
been that long, but they've aged great. You can sit
down and watch them anytime.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Now. Consider this.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I'm not going to put this forward as an all
time great trilogy, but the three first Exorcist movies would
make a good weekend marathon, even given the fact that
the second one is just nuts.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
See the second one to me was so bad that
would that would disqualify it for me.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
It is a really iffy, absolutely insane movie from John Borman,
who is a great, great director, and it's worth seeing
though even if you decide that you hate it after
you see it. There's some stuff in it that's worth consideration.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
But that does go back to the idea of a
single director, single vision continuity.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Oh yeah, because freakin William Freakan did the first one,
Borman did the second one, and then the author, William
Peter Bladdie did the third one, and the third one
is great. If you've never seen the third one, you
must see it.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Exorsus is three. You're gonna You're gonna get up in
my grill about Exorus three.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I would rather see Damien Ullman one, two and three
before Exorcist one, two and three.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
I'm big serious. But there's a room for both our
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Forty, and it's coming to the end of summer. Summer
is winding down, and with it, the summer box office
is pretty much over. There are no real big tent
pole movies to look forward to. And if you've been
with Later with mo Kelly for more than a year.
We talked last year talking about twenty twenty three, how
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that the movie theater industry, talking about movie houses, they
would need some really big movies that are going to
stay in theaters for a prolonged period of time to
make it financially worthwhile for theaters. It's one thing to
have a great summer season, but you don't have a
great fall or winter or even spring season. And also
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if you just have these big blockbusters, well you have
to make sure that they're going to stay in theaters
long enough so people can actually see them during the week.
Because now I know that if a movie it's not
going to be in theaters for more than thirty thirty
five days, and if I'm not in a rush to
see it, I can wait. I'll wait for it to
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show up on streaming digital download. And that has hurt
the industry as well. I know that I'm not the
only one, but think of it this way. For all
that we remember about last year's supposed, suppose great summer
box office season, it was the year of Barbenheimer. Remember
that Barbie Oppenheimer. They both did close to a billion.
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Obviously Barbie did more than a billion. I think Oppenheimer
got to maybe nine hundred million something like that. But
those are the two real big movies where people were
saying like, hey, you know, movies are back, We're back
to going.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
To the theater.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And I said, no, no, no, that was an aberration.
That was the exception which has proven the rule. And
now I have some figures to back it up. This
particular movie season, this summer block foster season, and it's
basically over generated three point three four billion dollars this
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summer movie season this year. Last year with Barbie and Oppenheimer,
four point seventy five billion, And I said that was
an aberration. Yes, it saved a lot of movie theaters,
but you would not be able to sustain that, And
now we've seen it's not sustained. In fact, they are
(02:27):
down excuse me, four point zero three billion last year
now twenty thirteen is four point seven billion. So ten
plus years ago, before the pandemic, during the height of
movie theaters, I would say popularity, it was bringing in
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close to five billion.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Now we're down to three point three billion.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It is a sliding scale and movie theaters are not
going to be able to continue at the rate that
they're going point the only thing which can save them
is if you have hit movies which stay in theaters
for a longer amount of time.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Let's drill down.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
For all the criticism of Disney, well you know who
the biggest winner of this year's summer movie season Disney Deadpool,
Wolverine more than a billion Pixars Inside Out to more
than one point five billion. Say what you want about Disney,
but they're still on top. And if you're curious, both
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Inside Out too and Deadpool and Wolverine costs two hundred
million each to produce, but they have multipliers of six
and seven, respectively. So yeah, you do that. You'll spend
two hundred million to make one point six million. You'll
spend two hundred million to make one point two billion.
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Only Disney can say that. And if you look at
the other movies that I guess were somewhat high anticipated
they didn't perform if with Ryan Reynolds, a star in
his own right, didn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
The Fall Guy.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Look, I really didn't want to see it, but I
saw it when it came out on streaming, and I
was very glad that I didn't see it in theaters.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
It was you know, it was eh, it was men.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I tried to warn you you did, but you know
it was fine to watch it home for basically free.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
That that wasn't exclusively on streaming. No, that was in theaters.
I think Mark saw it in theaters.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I did, yes, Oh wow, okay, right right, and we
all saw in theaters.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Curiosa.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
That movie seriously underperformed for various reasons. And if you
look at the movies which weren't sequels, just about all
of them did poorly or underperformed, like, for example, Kevin
Costner's Horizon, fly Me to the Moon, m Night, Shyamalan's Trap.
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None of those movies did any real box office but
the sequels Kingdom of the Planet, of the Apes and
just about all the obviously inside out.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Those movies did well. Did Pool Wolverine.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's a sequel that did well, but the original movies
did not. And for all the complaints that we hear
about oh my gosh, another superhero movie, another sequel, well
I got news for you. It was only the sequels
and superhero movies which performed and saved your favorite movie
theater this summer.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Those are just the facts.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
For all they say about oh, I'm tired of superhero movies, well,
no you're not, because you're still going to them.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I don't think a lot of people understand what a
huge gamble any movie is. And when they're throwing a
one hundred million, two hundred million at a movie, that's
a big deal. That's uh, you know, it's a huge
Ryan Reynolds had no idea that that was going to
pay off the way it did.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
No, did not.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
But a lot of original movies, a lot of original concepts,
non sequels, historically don't do well. This summer prove positive
of that. I wanted to see The Bike Riders. Still
haven't gotten around to.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
See it yet.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
It failed financially. It's on one of the streamers, and
it's already it's worth watching. Okay on Peacock. Yeah, okay,
so is the Kevin Costner Horizon movie. And I watched
that over the weekend and I'll probably talk about it Friday.
But it's really too bad that that didn't find an
audience in theaters. But what I just to finish my thought,
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these sequels and remakes and things that people are familiar
with are a safer bet for the studios when all
that is being put out now is big budget tent
poles and little teeny movies and not a whole lot
in between.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, it's a say for bet because you don't have
to start from square one. There's a reference point when
you say Furiosa. Oh, okay, I already know that character.
I know it's connection to the Mad Max universe. Oh,
Deadpool of Wolverine. Yes, I've seen Deadpool one, Deadpool two,
I've seen all the X Men movies. I'm familiar with
Hugh Jackman. There's a reference point. You're not starting over
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the Bike Riders. Who's in that, Tom Hardy?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
No.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
But my point is.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You don't have you're starting at square one, and you
have to spend more money to publicize that movie, and
you have to buy into a movie which on.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
The surface is not all that special, and it's interesting
because it has the ratings on Peacock and it has
a pretty good rating from Rotten Tomatoes. So I guess
it's just like you said, didn't find an audience. Now, no,
it found an audience. The issue is, and what this
article really points out is that, especially during the summer,
what made the summer box office what it was was
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what action movies. Action movies are what brought butts into
theaters during the summer, and a lot of Hollywood studios
forgot that. They thought that people wanted to get out
the sun and watch some our tour porn fest.
Speaker 7 (08:04):
No, no one wants to see that. Deadpool Wolverine is
proof that NonStop action and superhero films are not exhausting
or overdone. If you do them right, they will be there.
But even the low budgeted, this worst action film brought
people to theaters. That's a fact. People say, you know what,
(08:26):
I need some action. I'll go see Aliens robbing this hell.
I'll even go see The Crow because I need But
the Crow did a lot better than Horizon. Well there's
a race to the bottom. And so now we don't
even know if the rest of the Horizon movies are
going to get finished. I know that he's filming more
(08:46):
right now for streaming. I would love to see the
story finished one way or the other, because I'll tell
you this.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You in three people, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
If you like, if you like Lonesome Dove or How
the West Was Won, you must see this four people. Okay,
forget real obscure here. Those are such obscure. It's a
water world set in the desert. What your question is
pointless because you have no desire for me to give
you a genuine answer. You're just looking for something to mock,
(09:15):
and I won't. I won't do that, right, Look, I
don't have to mock it. It costs a hundred million
to make and they only made like thirty four million
of it, and it bombed horrendously, killed any chance at
sequels going into movie theaters.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's not my fault.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Don't you at least respect the nerve of an artist
who takes a risk like that with his own money
like that. Francis for Toppola's Megalopolis is coming out right now,
and he financed that on himself.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
Yea, And I don't think I want to say that's
going to be boring trash.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
That is going to bomb, That going to bomb Deadpool
Wolverine was going to be a massive hit.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
We can get the audio of need Be.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Okay, I'm saying right now, Megapolis is going to bomb horrendously, tragically, inevitably.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
It might because Deadpool and Wolverine and things like that
are crowd pleasers, and these others are more adult movies too.
That well, whatever, I don't I.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Don't want to hear adult movies. That that is such
a dismissing rights.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
You're not adult. We don't, can't, we can't appreciate this
type of movie.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Well, listen to the way YouTube clowns were mocking. Score
says He's last one course, Oh here we go, here
we oh, look at the Killers of.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
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Speaker 1 (10:28):
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Speaker 2 (10:34):
Quentin Tarantino, I think he is a brilliant film director.
He's just not my cup of tea. He's one of
those going back to the discussion of you know, you
have to pick and choose as far as where the
line is who you would interview or who you want
to talk to. He's not someone I probably want to
interview because he the way he does his movies and
(10:55):
his use of the N word, it's just something that
really really great. In fact, any movie that has that
in it, I just I can't. I just can't get
past that. But I could acknowledge that Quentin Tarantino is
a massive talent. I'm trying to, like, you know, compartmentalize
(11:16):
all this. The point of this is Quentin Tarantino sat
down with Bill Maher for Bill Maher's podcasts, and of
course they were talking about movies, and for Quentin Tarantino,
he thinks that he will never watch Toy Story four.
In fact, they're getting ready to make Toy Story five.
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His reasoning is Toy Story three, or I should say,
the trilogy is one of the best ones that he's
ever seen, and for them to do something in Toy
Story four for him would ruin it.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
There's no more story to tell. He doesn't.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Well, let me just play the audio for you. This
is Quentin Tarantino with Bill Maher.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
I am a big fan of the Toy Story trilogy.
Turfuitness just magnificent. It's one of the best nobodys I've
ever seen, and if you've seen the other two, then
it's just it's devastated three years later or something.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
They did a fourth and I have no desire to
see it.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
You literally ended the story as perfect as you could,
so no, I don't care. If it's good. I'm done.
It can still be good, but I'm done.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I disagree with them. I understand what he's saying, but
I disagree with them. I'll give you an example. I
loved the original Star Wars trilogy. Wouldn't say it was perfect,
but I loved it. And when I love something like that,
I always would like to see more from that world.
And I can separate a trilogy from the next trilogy,
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like if this is going to be Toy Story four,
five and six, I would like to see that story.
I like to visit that world again. Even with Alien
talked about Alien Romulus. You know, you had basically four
legitimate alien movies, not counting the Alien Versus Predator. But
it's a universe that I wanted to go back to,
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assuming that the story was right. I don't have those
types of limitations that qut In Tarantino does. But we're
you know, some of us are purists. We all got
our hang ups. But I was curious. It's like, okay, well,
is there a perfect movie trilogy out there? Did he
find one? Has he seen one? How would he characterize
(13:22):
the perfect movie trilogy? And he got there, and believe
it or not, is not what I would agree with.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
I think there's only one trilogy that completely and utterly
works to the nth degree, and that's fist fil of
dollars for a few dollars more in the Good in
the Band, the ugg It's one director vision, Sergiulioni. It
does what no other trilogy has ever been quite able
to do.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
The first movie is terrific. The second movie is so great.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
It takes the whole idea to such a bigger canvas
that it obliterates the first one.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Then the third one.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Good in the Band the Ugly does the same thing
to the second one. Mad Max Road Warrior and well
Beyond Thunderdome doesn't.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Dwarf road Warrior.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Kind of agree, kind of disagree. I agree that when
you have a trilogy with a single director, you have
a unified vision that usually pans out better than having
three different directors for three movies in a trilogy. It
didn't work with the second Star Wars trilogy. It doesn't
work with subsequent Alien movies. It didn't work with the
subsequent Predator movies or the die Hard movies. Once you
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have different directors, more times than not it feels disjointed
because you're not going to have the same type of
feeling or just a vision of the characters. And also
how you tell the story. What say you, Mark Well?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I watched a good deal of that interview last night,
and I don't agree with Tarantino on everything, but he
knows enough that if I disagree with him, I think
whatever he has to say is worth considering. And so
when he made that point about the Dollars trilogy, I thought,
you know, I wouldn't have thought of that if somebody
asked me what the best trilogy of all time was.
But now that he puts that in my head, I'm
(15:02):
not sure I can think of one that was better done.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
We'll put it this way, I would, well, Godfather three
was horrible, Yes it was, I can't I was like, no,
the third one, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But put it this way.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I don't know if the three parts of the trilogy
he's mentioned are individually good enough for me to say
best trilogy.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
It's kind of obscure in the year of our twenty
twenty four right to cite those sixty spaghetti westerns. But
they're magnificent movies. I mean, the first two are more
pulpy and the third one is just a full on epic,
And if you haven't seen him, or if you haven't
seen him in a while, they're worthree visiting.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
They're really good.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
And if you had any doubt that Clint Eastwood was
one of the coolest men ever to walk the face
of the earth.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Just watch those. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I think I would want to sit down, scroll through
IMDb and really deep into my personal film history to
see if I can find what I would think to
be a better trilogy, because none of those movies, to me,
are like top ten best of lists, and I think
there needs to be some great movies for it to
be the greatest trilogy of all time. I get the
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point that he's trying to make, as far as that
cohesive through line through all the movies and how the
end movie doesn't dwarf the preceding movies.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I get all that.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I just think there's probably another trilogy that I have
not thought of at this moment, which I would rather submit.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I wonder what listeners think. I'd be curious, because there's
got to be something that I haven't thought of. I
think they made a good point about the Mad Max movies.
The middle one, The Road Warrior is easily in the
top ten action films of all time. I can't even
tell you how many times I've seen that first one,
very promising, third one got a little too big, kind
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of crap the bed a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, and look, first thing is usually a great trilogy.
The second movie has to somehow supplant or be better
than the first movie. Empire strikes Back better than a
New Hope, dare to say.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah, But then the third one with the Ewoks, that
was terrible.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Right, that's my point, But I'm saying there has to
be a growth in progression for it to be a
great trilogy.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, no question, no question. I'm going to watch the
rest of that interview tonight. But my tolerance for Bill
Maher is really decreasing as I get older.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I think most people, you know, I can tell you
some stories, oh yeah, oh yeah, please do yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
He's real good friends with my old boss, so you know,
I mean, we've just ensured that neither of us will
ever get invited onto his show.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
But no, no, no, that's part I'm quite sure that's part
of the reason why I've never been invited on.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
I'm positive, Well, we weren't going to be anywhere. No,
not at all. And it's okay, it really is okay. No,
he doesn't want people on there who are going to
eat his lunch. He stacks that panel with people who
are going to stuck up to him.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Oh, it's just like the beginning of Rocky three. Those
are all, you know, shot fighters past their prime.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
You know, those are hand picked. It's a challenge Bill.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
Wait, you just see you don't think that Rocky one, two,
and three are are in the running for the greatest
trilogy of all.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
That's a great point. That's a great point. Think about that.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Rock That's a great point three, because there's no loss
in quality by the time you get to three.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It's the problem is four.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
But but if you just stick with Rocky one, two, three,
that is a pitch personal trilogy.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I don't I don't, look, I don't know if I
can argue with that. I have to think about that.
During the commercial break.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
He might be right, which I hate to admit.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
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Speaker 1 (18:52):
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Speaker 2 (18:58):
Last second, we were talking about what but Quentin Tarantino
had to say about the best movie trilogy of all
time as he saw it, I.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Think there's only one trilogy that completely and utterly works
to the nth degree, and that's fist fil of dollars
for a few dollars more in the Good in the Band,
the one director vision SERGILIONI. It does what no other
trilogy has ever been quite able to do.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
The first movie is terrific.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
The second movie is so great and takes the whole
idea to such a bigger canvas that it obliterates the
first one. Then the third one, Good in the Band
the Ugly does the same thing to the second one.
Mad Max Road Warrior and They'll Beyond Thunderdome doesn't Dwarf
road Warrior.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So it got us thinking about any movie trilogy, because
I thought the Clint Eastwood trilogy was great, but I
don't know if any movie individually in that was fantastic,
and I think you need to have fantastic movies to make.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Up a trilogy. I don't know. Those are kind of
fighting words.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
The second one is really fantastic and the third one
is an epic in its own right.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
All right, that's it's all subjective. I mean, you've been
known to be wrong most of the time, so that's okay.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Wait what what?
Speaker 5 (20:10):
What?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
But got us thinking about movie trilogies, and the first
one that came to mind is said Godfather is like
no because of the third movie, and Tuala you came
up with a great response Rocky one, two, and three,
And it's hard because we don't Rocky was Academy Award winning?
Did it win Rest Screenplay nineteen seventy six?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I believe, got to look it up.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, I know it was nominated. I know that for
a fact. I want to think that it won. But
you know, it's it's in good company and I'm trying
to think of any other worthy trilogy of consideration. Now
this may be heresy for some, but hear me out
because we're talking about acting performances and everything. I say
(20:57):
Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy worthy of consideration.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I was gonna say that too.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
Yeah, but no, the first one. The first one was lacking.
The first one was lacking. We are all in love
with the second one. But if you go back and
even try to rewatch the first.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
One, I do.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I've watched Batman Begins a number of times, it fails.
It really does feel it doesn't hold up. Is it
because of your hate for Liam Neeson or playing No,
it has nothing to do with that, sob at all.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
It is purely just for me rewatching that one. The
story does not hold and it drags too much, and
it really puts Batman in a bad life for who
we know Batman is supposed to be. It's like, this
is not really a Batman worthy of it. I like
the Bruce Wayne didn't like the Batman, and the villain
(21:50):
was not really all that impressive. But when you get
to Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker, we had never
seen any villain of that caliber ever before, and then
it did kick it up a notch. Even though it
dragged the Dark Knight rises that was a great, great villain.
It was just way too thought out, and after when
(22:11):
it got to the end, you're like, Okay, let's either
drop the bomb or whatever. It does not necessarily hold
up Rocky from when you look at the progression, you
look at the succession, you look at improving on the
story one through line. You put Rocky one, two, and
three right next to each other, it plays like one
seamless film. Nothing is off, it goes up. It just
(22:34):
goes up. Rocky one was phenomenal. We were all shook
by the fact he didn't win Rocky two. We felt
vindicated because he did win, but Rocky three brought into
question his ability and really put him in a real fight.
We really thought that Stevester Sloan was a real fighter
going up against Club Lane. We was like, this is
riveting and it holds up through the test of times.
(22:56):
We're talking a good thirty forty years and it's spoilers.
It's still one of the best trilogies ever done. And
I get to look my one of my personal favorites
is the Back to the Future trilogy, only because of
how the third one ended.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Maybe not that I like the way it ended, but
that But that's just me.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
But I'm talking like universal you cannot point anything wrong
with them. You can't pick apart Rocky one two three. No, look,
I would rather have Rocky one two three. I mean,
I can't argue against that.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And there are a lot of trilogies where they have
one or two good movies, like, for example, The Matrix.
I think that could have been in All Time Great trilogy,
but they messed up the second movie so badly. Yeah,
and I think it was more a rush because they
filmed two and three reloaded and what's the third one called,
(23:50):
I don't know, el Revolution?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, sure, yeah, why not?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
And they did them back to back and it felt
like one long movie and it didn't seem like there
were two distinct movies with storylines and the three act
progression because the second movie ended so damn abruptly like
mid Story. Wasn't like Empire Strikes Back. No, you didn't
have any type of climactic moment. It just said like
(24:17):
and now we go to commercial. We'll see you in
three years.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It just felt very abrupt. But that could have been.
It didn't turn out that, so I don't I can't
really disagree completely with what Quentin Tarantino said, but I'm
not so sure that I would.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I would go with.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Rocky before if you put Rocky up against the Clinton
Eastwood Films, you would walk away with a more fulfilled
film going experience. Like if what you one called films?
What's the name of that company that does all those
trilogies and things they bring up? Fathom Films. The Fathom
(24:57):
Films did two of trilogy screenings and they did the good,
the Bad, and the ugly versus Rocky.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Rocky would be the winner. All right, what about Penitentiary one, two,
and three. That's that's good. That's some good storytelling. Come
on now, you can't dismiss it out of hand. Leon
Isaac Kennedy, Jane Kennedy.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
It was very, very Those were rough to watch. It's
rough man.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Those are cinematic pieces of gold Man.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
No, I can't.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I can't really find any other comparable trilogy, just trying
to think about one where each movie of the trilogy
is strong in its own right.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah. I don't watch those Hobbit movies.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
No, I did, and I and I thought there was
Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. They were not good
movies to me.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
They're not my cup of tea. But people seem to
like them. They do.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
People like a lot of walking and talk a lot
of talking people like going on that walking talking adventure
and hearing all that gibberish.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I liked the animated versions better than actually live movies the.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Elf Baksci one, yes, okay, but no the live action.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I mean, you know, yeah, no, no no. I also
like taking ambient so right.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
You know, people are furries out there, the people into
a lot of stuff. Okay, it doesn't mean that it's good,
all right, all right, hear me out. What about the
Blade trilogy? No, the third one was garbage. The third
one drake horrible. It was horrible.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I didn't mind the third one. That one's it was
the weakest of the three, but it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
But it wasn't a good movie in its own right.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
And you're I think you are casting the Blade trilogy
overall the feeling for it, But that third movie was garbage.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
I mean, for me, you could throw in the Captain
America trilogy First Avenger, Winter Soldier, and Civil War, right,
and that's a solid trilogy, but not enough people were
feeling the first one that even though the first one
said it off. The first one was a fun adventure,
but it was so pink by numbers compared to The Rocketeer.
But yeah, by itself, not enough people like that, but
(27:20):
of course everyone will swear by Winter Soldier, and you know,
civil war is infallible.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
So you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yeah, I don't usually think of those as a trilogy
so much as part of the big Marvel phases that
they were involved in. But I think The Winter Soldier
is easily Marvel's high point, the best, without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
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Speaker 2 (27:46):
And before we get out of here, I'm still racking
my brain, Mark, I'm still racking my brain.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I'm not gonna let it go.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I think there's some trilogy that we're overlooking somewhere that
is right in front of us. And I was thinking,
it's like, no, it's not Chronicle of Darnia, it's it's
not Lord of the Rings. I just feel like there's
one that we're just missing that it's really obvious, and
it's not a Marvel trilogy.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I don't think of anything like that.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
But you know, now my mind goes back to like
Hammer films, like the Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing stuff,
right right, I really can't find fault with Tula bringing
up Rocky. Those first three were really solid.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Maybe you can say, well, a trilogy is only three movies.
And to Quentin Tarantino's point, he was saying about Toy
Story four, you know, if you've already told that complete story,
you know what more story is there to tell? And
in a way you're taking away from the original trilogy
if you don't leave it alone. I think there is
(28:51):
something to be said for that. But I am more
of the opinion that, look, if I love the universe,
I will keep going back to it.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
And that's part of the reason why you.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Saw a Rocky four, you saw a Rocky five, and
you see the the Creed franchise, because people do love
that universe, they love those characters. I don't know if
you can say that about a lot of trilogies.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
No, no, and we go.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
I'm thinking about Star Trek and yeah, all the all
the series. Got to hate the word franchise when it
comes to movies. It's like, what kind of what kind
of insider producer business mogul do you think you are
talking about movie franchises? But I love the Star Trek series.
Those first half a dozen of those were good. The
first half a dozen James Bond movies were all you need. Yeah,
(29:45):
but see James Bond. That's that to me is a franchise.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You can't call those a trilogy. There's no story arts.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Yeah no, there's almost no connective tissue in any of
them until you get to the Daniel Craig ones.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, all right, hear me out here, me out will
Deadpool will be in the conversation ten years from now.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
What do you mean, I think so? I think so? Trilogy? Yeah,
I think so.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
I actually, you know what, absolutely, because Deadpool one was great,
Deadpool two was phenomenal, and dead Pool three was out
of control.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
And I know recentcy bias, but still the first two
movies are pretty damn strong.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, yeah, times like.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
You can watch the first two over and over and
over for all types of different reasons, and it stands.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
It is a great comedy, a great action movie.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
And when you watch them as a whole, you see
that there is actually some real heart and some substance
to the character that you may not have noticed at first,
but you go back and you say, man, they've really
been telling a story about this character's development as a
human being as an individual across three films, and very bold, bold,
(30:56):
willing to take risks that are not a lot of
others weren't.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
But it won't get the critical acclaim, It won't get
the type of credit that other movies will because it
is still quote unquote a superhero movie. There probably won't
be any oscars coming out in the top four categories
for Deadpool, even though I can appreciate the subtleties that
(31:24):
you talked about. You know, Ryan Reynolds is not going
to be up for Best Actor, but in these other
trilogies you've had that one standout performance. At least the
industry recognized that would be my only drawback. But me personally,
I would put it in the conversation. Recency bias, yes,
but I'd still put it in the conversation totally legit.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
They're really fun movies, and the first two it hasn't
been that long, but they've aged great. You can sit
down and watch them anytime.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Now. Consider this.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I'm not going to put this forward as an all
time great trilogy, but the three first Exorcist movies would
make a good weekend marathon, even given the fact that
the second one is just nuts.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
See the second one to me was so bad that
would that would disqualify it for me.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
It is a really iffy, absolutely insane movie from John Borman,
who is a great, great director, and it's worth seeing
though even if you decide that you hate it after
you see it. There's some stuff in it that's worth consideration.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
But that does go back to the idea of a
single director, single vision continuity.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Oh yeah, because freakin William Freakan did the first one,
Borman did the second one, and then the author, William
Peter Bladdie did the third one, and the third one
is great. If you've never seen the third one, you
must see it.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Exorsus is three. You're gonna You're gonna get up in
my grill about Exorus three.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I would rather see Damien Ullman one, two and three
before Exorcist one, two and three.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
I'm big serious. But there's a room for both our
Lord and Savior. Satan says, there's room for both. Okay,
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