August 11, 2023 • 47 mins
On the Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about how CJ Stroud's NFL debut went on Thursday night against Bill Belichick's defense, and gets into the lack of success other quarterbacks from Ohio State have experienced in the NFL and why.
Former NFL executive and Bucs' GM Mark Dominik joins Doug for his weekly hit to discuss CJ Stroud, rookies in the pre-season, the 49ers, and the other major headlines around the NFL.
Doug thinks the the US national women's soccer team has not gotten the criticism it quite deserved this week and explains why.
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Got some interesting PAC twelve news and pack a former
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talk some NFL and maybe a little college upcoming this hour.
Mike Rabel making an interesting gesture, but what's really behind it?
I want to get to that. Mark Dominick's gonna join us.
We've got the Gambler. We're gonna sing and give you
picks man, we got a lot of stuff going on.
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We got a lot a lot of stuff going on,
But I want to start with last night we had
football on television. C J. Stroud's new quarterback of the
Houston Texans two for four throws, the pick stares down
a wide receiver and we're left to try and figure
out what do we make a CJ Stroud? All right?
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There's talk of hey, did Belichick? Is he schemy against
rookies trying to make guys look bad when normally in
preseason games that doesn't happen, Right, I don't know. My
takeaway is I I really honestly can't figure it out,
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and I don't think it's actually our jobs. We can
see some things in the preseason and go I like that.
I want to keep an eye on that, good and bad.
Or this may be really bad. I want to keep
an eye on that, and then ultimately we may be
proven wrong or a team may improve, et cetera, et cetera.
But I think it's really important, really important to have
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the balance of saying, look, man, that's the first time
a guy sees live bullets wearing an NFL uniform. On
the other hand, what was the criticism of c J.
Stroud before he was drafted. You know, it's that, like
so many of these Ohio State quarterbacks, they're throwing the
open guys, and when you're in the NFL, you actually
have to read the defense, have to be more deceptive
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with who you're throwing to, how you're throwing to them,
all of those other little things that you just can't
get away with when you have better players than everybody else.
And that's really that's really what's at issue. It's hard though,
because right we judge him on a scale of well,
he's an Ohio State quarterback somewhat. I don't think that's
the only reason there was that criticism, because you know,
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Justin Fields has not shown himself to be a great thrower,
and you kind of go through the boroughs the only
guy to come through Ohio State's system in the last
what how many years that they've been good and actually
be a really productive and he's I think a great player,
but even a really productive, consistent quarterback. And he didn't
actually play at Ohio State. He was at Ohio State,
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but then he transferred and of course one year where
it was okay at LSU and then maybe the greatest
season ever in the history of college football at LSU.
But I think it's a very real thing when and
we see this, this is actually something that happens in
high school sports. I'm sure there's a team like this
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in your area. There's a high school basketball program near
where I live. It's called Modern Day. A Modern Day
is coached by Gary McKnight. He's one of our one
thousand games. He's actually in the Nasmith Memorial Hall of Fame.
He's the winningest coach in the history of California basketball.
They are magnificently coached, They have great uniforms, they have
a beautiful facility, and they they're a little bit down
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recently because now you know the Bronnie Jameses of the world,
and there's a push to stay in LA and guys
where people used to move from LA to go to
Modern Day. But they're always they're still gonna be good.
But for years, modern Day guys, modern Day basketball guys
would always transfer, you know, would always transfer, And the
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logic behind it or trying to figure out what happened was, well, look,
they're so used to always being successful and having just
better players than everybody else that there was no reality
of having to work through some things sometimes being an
inferior talented team. And it's a magic mix there, right, Like,
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you don't want to be in a team where you've
got no shot and you got to take every shot
and you're not ultimate I'm going to succeed because that
reads bad habits as well. Right, you can only do
so much going one on two or one on five
like that ain't good either. But because it was kind
of a utopia and they didn't face much adversity, you
get to college and now all of a sudden, not
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only are you whether you're better, then you're not going
to be better than the guy guarding you because you're young,
but also you don't have the benefit of just having
overall better talent. It's also this is also a reason
that college coaches haven't succeeded. People always say that college
coaches that are successful, uh, don't succeed because it's all
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about them, it's all about threego And there's probably some
truth to that. There's also some truth to the idea
that when Nick Saban, when he's at LSU and they
win a national championship, nick Saban's got better players than
ninety percent of the teams he plays against maybe ninety
five percent. And that's the truth. With Alabama, you know,
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same thing with you kind of go through that. Yeah,
Bobby Petrino, when he originally left Louisville to go to
the Atlanta Falcons and then failed halfway through and left
halfway through his first year, you'd say, well, Louisville's not Alabama,
but in their league, Louisville was better than everybody else.
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Go through it. If anything, I think that Harball was
probably the guy that Remember, he resurrected Stanford football, and
because Stanford wasn't at an athletic advantage, there was more
substance to his style of coaching and then you see
that adversity and you don't know how to adjust. It
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is really hard to be great when you haven't been bad,
when you haven't had to figure some things out. And
it's got to be hard for CJ. Stroud, no matter
how good he is. We all wonder what's it like
when you actually have to manipulate a defense with your eyes?
What's it like when you have to throw a guy open? Right,
We're getting more on that in a second. Dan Buyer's
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got breaking news around Foxport break.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Doug, I feel this is right up your rally. Sixteen
year old prep basketball star Cooper Flegg announced that he
is reclassifying to the class of twenty twenty four, a
year earlier than expected. The move would make Flag eligible
to enter the twenty twenty five NBA Draft just sixteen
years old, turned seventeen in December, but Cooper Flegg reclassifying
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could be in the NBA sooner than expected.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, so the question becomes, he's transferred to montverd I
believe Academy, which is in I think that's in Orlando, Florida.
So then the question becomes, you know he does he
go to college for a year? Does he do g
League Ignite? Does he play in Australia? What does what
does he do? He obviously will have the ability to
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generate massive amounts of money in ANIL space. But if
you haven't, you don't know who Cooper Flag is. He's
the best high school basketball player in the country. Carlos
Boozer's sons are very, very good. I think Cooper. They
beat Cooper Flag's team the final of this it's called
the eybl but I think a lot of that is
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and he didn't play great in that game, but then
they had breaten them. They he had beaten his team
had beaten the Boozer's team like three four days before,
and he played magnificently. But the question now is that
makes sense? And this is what And he's not a
holdback right, He's he'll graduate at seventeen. He was supposed
to graduate at eighteen. That's traditional age. A lot of
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kids have held back, especially COVID, but even before COVID,
and so they reclassify and skip their senior year. He's
just gonna skip. I guess what it is his sophomore
year and oh no, his junior year. He's gonna skip
his junior year and he'll be a senior. He's at
Mont verd And the question now is does he play
college basketball? And I don't have the answer to that.
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I don't have it. I would love him to. I
would love for it to happen, but I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, I agree with you. I really really hope that
he does, because it's it's been fun. Even you know,
the one and done was soured for a wild Doug,
but then I feel like we've we've adjusted to it,
and you know, even Zion's year. I mean, you think about,
you know, putting aside what he's done in the NBA,
but just that year at Duke, the drama, the shoe,
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his performance, which was very very good, all of that
is great. So I hope that he does playing college
basketball because it would be such a boost for it.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
S Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So anyway,
the takeaway with CJ. Stroud and the Pats wasn't great
is early It is the Pats where they do focus defense.
They do focus in their defense, and I have I
have no real true clue as to what CJ. Stroud's
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level of competency is, but I will tell you that
there were plenty of NFL people who said they like CJ. Stroud,
but I don't know. So hard to tell with Ohio
State guys, no matter how good he was, and remember
he didn't have a great season last year, then you
can attest to this in terms of there were it
was kind of an up and down year at Ohio
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State in terms of his overall production. But then he
was otherworldly, otherworldly in the college football payoff? Is that
is that fair buyer?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
So yeah, justin I'm sorry, were talking about justin fields.
You're talking about to Stroud. Okay, So yeah, Stroud's game.
He was really good last year, like really really good
last year, and then over the latter part of the
season he started to run a little bit more, which
he's not a running quarterback, but you just at least
need to move a little bit. And he actually did
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that a little bit last night. Did that later on
in his career. But yeah, his the game that he
put on against Georgia was really it's one of those
games where they lost, and heartbreaking loss, but you're happy
for him because it's solidified kind of everything that he
had done and culminated in that moment. But yeah, he's
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he's it's gonna take some time. You're facing I know
it's preseason, but a Bill Belichick defense in your first
game and it was third and twenty five or whatever
it was on the interception, I think you'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I have no doubt that he'll have every opportunity to
that's gonna be Huh.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
The other thing about the Ohio State quarterback thing, what's
so funny is it is it's true in the sense
that there just hasn't been the one to break through.
But when you've had different coaching staffs, different coaching regimes,
different guys coaching the quarterbacks, that's the only thing. So
you've got now, you've got you know, the late Dwayne Haskins,
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Joe Burrow justin fields, you've got CJ. Straud As you mentioned.
You know, there's Ryan Day fingerprints on these later guys.
And that's where you're wondering. Okay, you know JT. Barrett
was you know, a great college quarterback. You know that
that's what he was. But was he you know, destined
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to be a great quarterback in the NFL. No, So
when we talk about the Ohio State quarterbacks, I think
it's a real thing. But it is different guys, different
coaching staffs, different you know, assistants that have have coached
these guys. So maybe this recent swing could could end
up being an uptick for for that narrative.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
It's it's it's and and look that's remember Nick Saban
for years, Well you know those those aren't good NFL quarterbacks.
And now take a look at and I think you
can still credit him from Jalen Hurts because Jalen started
there for two years and then split time in his
third year, right, you can give him some credit. Tua
hasn't been what was advertised, but he's still been more
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than competent quarterback, went healthy in the NFL, and uh,
you know they and obviously now you have the number
one overall pick who I think is going to be
really really good. So they've they've turned the corner some
there as well. And I actually think like that's the
that's kind of the difference in Ohio state and and
in Alabama of late is they've always been good, but
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it's been an ensemble cast. Now you add in a
top five level quarterback and they can be otherworldly.
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of course. And Mark, we got a chance to see
uh CJ. Stroud last night. What were your thoughts of
him going into the draft?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Like the CJ. Stroud felt like he was good with
the ball, Uh, you know, a good athlete, not exceptional,
but a good athlete. And uh really felt like in
terms of you know, made good decisions at ohiuse sate
and uh you know, had the arm ability to arm
action to be able to make the throw. So I
liked all those things about him. Certainly last night was
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a wake up call for CJ. Stroud. Uh, and just
a tough outing.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Uh. Okay, so you've seen rookie quarterbacks before. What what
how much can we take from it in terms of
the overall story of what he's going to be.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, it's tough, right, and you know it's it's a
couple of series. It didn't look very good. I mean, Doug,
you watch it and you know, if you're just watching
it from a Scotty perspective and as a fan, you
saw a guy that was struggling with the processing of
how fast things were happening in front of him, and
it was you know, very much uncomfortable in the pocket.
Worried about getting hit after you know, the early and
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so I thought it was disappointed. I think the thing
you wish you could have seen with that was just
one drive of maybe five or six plays, three first downs,
even if they don't end up in the score, it's
something to build off of. There was really nothing to
build off of last night that I factually thought they
might put him out there for one more series just
to see if we can get some encouragement going. So
he's going to go back and watch the tape. Here's
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the thing I'd say, he does not have to be
Houston starter week one. It's not ideal because he took
him two overall, but I'd rather not rush a young
quarterback and make sure it's time when he's ready. So
he's got a couple of weeks here. I would put
him in, play him a ton more in week two
and week three in the preseason, and I wouldn't make
my final decision if I'm coach Ryan's until after week three,
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and then I tell people who's gonna be my starting
quarterback week one, and if it's not CJ. Stroud, it
doesn't mean you got to put a bow one and
it's done. It's just that he might need a little
bit more time to make sure that, you know, when
we do get him out there, it's not turns into
Derek Carr where he got used so much that he
got ruined. David Carr should say.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, David Carr was he got he got just beat
up and he never really never really recovered from it. Okay,
I'm I'm interested in this Philip River story. You know,
there's been some back and forth between Jimmy Garoppolo and
Kyle Shanahan. Uh, and Shanahan of course said, you know,
like we got the Super Bowl, Philip Rivers would have
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been our quarterback. That sounds great, but like I wouldn't
have played in eighteen months, wasn't very good before retired?
And oh yeah, by the way, he's a non athlete
at a style of playing quarterback where you know, Kyle
Shanahan style, you don't have to be great at a lot,
but you do need to be very athletic. Would that
have worked? I mean, I know it's hindsight, but would
that have worked?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
You know what, I think it's a possibility. You know,
there's a chance that Philip, based off of what had happened,
maybe had a little bit more knowledge of what was
going on offensively, and you know, a guy that you
know in two weeks because of how much he's played
in the Nation Football League process and develop with the
arm sleeves and just the conversation that you can have
from the coach, you know, from the box down to
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you and talking to you through it. I think it
could have worked. What have it put them all the
way through the top and say, hey, look, you're gonna
win a championship. I don't know about that, and my
gut instinct would be no, but you know, and again
you're to your point, Doug. You know Philip's not going
to move around and doesn't really move the pocket. That's
not his game. And you see a lot of that
in San Francisco Kryle Shanahan's offenses. So could have it worked? Yeah?
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Do I think it's a good At least you have
that mindset going, like, if we get this done, we've
got at least a plan to somehow win the Super Bowl.
I kind of like it. I think it's aggressive, but
I kind of like the idea.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I did too. I wish I'm sure they're kicking themselves.
Wish they would have prepared for the NFC Championship game
with Philip Rivers, then maybe that maybe that would have
been that that would have been different. I am. I'm
fascinated by a couple of these quarterbacks and what they're
going to look like this year. Let's we mentioned New England,
you know, we he didn't see Mac Jones last night,
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but they do have a real offensive guy, a real
quarterback guy back working with the offense. On the other hand, man,
they did not have a lot of dudes to throw to.
What are your thoughts on how the Patriots look offensively
this year?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah, I think they're going to be Okay. I was like,
I'm with you on Bill O'Brien being there. I think
that's a big deal for them to have, you know,
experienced play caller who's had you know, success doing it,
you know, led teams to playoffs in the NFL, great
job at Alabama. So I think that's all very important.
My problem is the same thing I think you're looking at.
There's a reason why Dalvin Cook went through there. There's
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a reason why DeAndre Hopkins went through there. You know,
they look at their team and realize, we have a
lot of guys that have had, you know, roles where
they've kind of tried to be the number one but
couldn't quite hold on to it. Whether it's DeVante Parker,
Juju Smith, you know, they've got guys that have shown
some flashes, but no one that's been like, hey, look,
if you need the first down, you throw it here.
And that's the thing I think they're missing. And they're
not a fast football team. And you know, as well
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as they're coached, you know you can't help, but you
need that speed element on these teams, especially where the
rules are and the way the game's being shaped. And
so I think that's going to limit them from being
a high enough octane team to handle the AFC with
all the gunslingers and the quarterbacks and the points that
you can see not only just the AFC East, but
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throughout the AFC in general. And so I think that's
going to hold them back from being a really good team.
I think they're going to be more of that. We
can score seventeen to twenty four game. Sadly, a lot
of their opponents can to score twenty one to thirty five.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Okay, So I'm fascinated about that. The totality of that division.
The Jets, some of the issues with their offensive line
have become very very pronounced. How fixable out workable is that? Yeah?
I just I guess that's really the question. How workable
is it? Considering it looks like they have the skill position,
but the offensive line very much in flex Again, outside
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looking in, that does not appear to be a way
in which you're going to be successful at the highest
level of the NFL. But I could be wrong. It's Rogers.
They have time to work through it. What do you
think of the issues they have with their line and
how flexible they are?
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah, I think the problem is Doug, it's the tackles.
I think they're going to be fine interior wise. I
think they're going to be fine at the center. I
just think their tackles are a problem infecting. You know,
it's got to see that he can handle more snaps
and get out there. Max Mitchell has to take a step.
And then Dwayne Brown, who's you know what, thirty seven
years old. You're counting on him to place seventeen. That's
tough to do. Hard for me to imagine it, but
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you know it's a possibility, but just really hard considering
that you know he was on IUR last year as well.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
So.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, I think it's the problem. The good news is
Aaron's release quickness is exceptional, his pocket awareness is exceptional,
and so I think you can and you have Tyler Conklin,
who I think is a really good and who you
know absolutely can ship and can hold his own in
terms of pass protection. So that's going to give him
some help. But it's it's going to be a product sake.
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It's not a fixable situation during the season of fixture
left tackle or right tackle spot. And I think they're
very concerned about that. And I know they signed Billy
Turner to kind of be that swing tackle, but right
now they're just hoping to have two starting tackles, let alone,
you know, have the what you're doing a swing So
you know this preseason is going to be important, but
you know, can they stay healthy and then do it.
I've got the Jets third in their division.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I'm I'm fascinated by by a team like the Redskins
and what's going on with Eric b Enemy as the
offensive coordinator. Now again, full disclosure, you weren't listening yesterday,
but I've you go back to when he hasn't gotten
head coaching jobs. I've talked to some gentle managers and
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they've told me that, like, look, this is part of
them for the enemy, is that he's not really a uniter.
He is a guy that can be in this divisive
in terms of questioning the head coach, but not a
guy that brings everybody together. And that's the job of
a head coach. Right. What was your perception of the
enemy and why he hadn't yet gotten an opportunity to
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be a head coach.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Yeah, well, you know, I've met coach the Enemy in passing.
Don't know him deeply as a person. Certainly has had
tons of interviews, and when you have that many interviews,
you don't get it. There's something that that's either swinging
or there's something that's uncomfortable. You know what happened, you
know in terms of players, you know, feeling like he
was a little too harsh or a little too tough.
You know, there's players that love that type of coach,
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there's players that just can't handle that type of coach.
And certainly younger players maybe a little bit from a
different type of environment or a different type of situation
where they're not used to somebody being so aggressive. Now
I think the enemy comes from the passion of like,
he understands how important this year is for him, and
he's going with Sam Howe and the Washington commander is
to show that he should be a head coach. And
I'm sure he's trying to motivate his guys, but I
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was also, you know, not going to put up with
you know, mistakes, and you know, he's been around a
lot of great coaches and a little surprising for me too,
you know, Coach Rivera kind of took the bait on
it and then had to kind of work through it
and backtrack it a little bit. But I think the
thing with the end of me is I think that's
the question was, you know, that's why he went. Can
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he call plays? Can he develop you know an offensive corder?
What does this staff look like? But the main part
is he's the head coach, so he's got to you know,
talk to the team. And whether or not this is
the reason why it's been passed over, it certainly doesn't
help the cause.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
No it doesn't. Is it a is it a bigger
deal or a better deal that this is getting aired out? Now?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Better deal it's getting aared now, you know very I
think it's very important that you know, it's just kind
of like got out there. It's kind of a humble
pill for everybody, whether it's for the enemy and just
like realizing that or you know, if he can't check
himself and say, hey, maybe maybe I need to tone
it down just the hair, but don't. You can't just
you can't come or not become some of you or not.
You can't do that, but you also can maybe be
more pointed to when you do it instead of doing
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it all the time. And it sounds like maybe that's
what needs to happen. Is it's more of like, hey, look,
I'm willing to yell at you guys, but it's really important.
Like coach Dungee never yelled at him, but the boy
when his voice went up, everybody listen because you're like, well,
that's ue. He doesn't usually do that. So when he
got frustrated, every he's like what is he? What are
we talking about here? You know? And so it was
like caught everyone's attention. John Gruden knew how to like
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really like emphasize a point and he could be hard
on you, but he also was trying to make a
point with you. You're like, hey, look what are you
doing on this situation? Like, come on, man, I need
you here? Because he would always back it up with
I need you here, like it would be a little
bit of like a beat you down, but I need
you you know, And so it kind of hurt the player.
But he'd also see like, Okay, I see where's coming from.
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You know, I don't know coach b enemy, but certainly
you know, he knows again that if he can have
success in Washington, it might lead to him having a
chance to finally be the head coach's wanted so badly.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
What do you think? What do you think is it
holds back the Chargers from achieving what their talent And
obviously last year you had You've had injuries, but everybody
has injuries. Why haven't they been able to achieve what
most people believe is up to their level of talent.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Yeah, I don't I don't have a great answer other
than you know, we saw this the unfortunate collapse in
the in the wild card game against Jacksonville where you
felt like, Okay, we're finally seeing this Chargers team what
we always do and it always feels like something slips.
You know, I think this year it's going to be
it's going to be the two receivers Keenan Allen and
Mike Williams. How healthy can they stay for seventeen games?
I think that's going to be a pivotal part for
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this team. Yes, health is for everybody. It does feel
like the Chargers have been consistently bit by the bug,
and so can they get through that? You know, whether
it's or less tackle, whether it's a wide receiver, whether
it's a defensive lineman. You know, it just always seems
like it's somebody of safety. You know, it's been somebody.
So can they avoid the big injury this year? To me,
that's going to be it. And then you know, even
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if they lose a receiver for a little bit in
a week or two, can they just get through that.
But other than that, I think they're going to be
right there, battle and the Chiefs all the way through.
And you know, could they host a Lombardi Trophy based
off of that roster? I think they could. You know,
can they get through the gauntlet? They haven't never proven
that and so you know, I think it's optimism and
rightfully so but with a little bit of concern that
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we've seen the pass play out too many times.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Awesome stuff. Hey, Mark, have a great weekend. Football's on TV.
I'm sure you'll be watching a lot of it. Can't
wait to talk to you next week.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
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(26:53):
in the Gambler. We begin this Friday with the famed
Jstewd team parlay from Jason Stewart.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
And you need to run to the bed in window, Doug,
because these games are coming up really quick, the two
early games and the MLB on the MLB schedule tonight,
Guardians at the Rays, Yankees at the Marlins. I'm gonna
take the Yankees plus money. Combine that with the Guardians
plus money. For whatever reason, the Guardians are plus money
(27:23):
at the Rays and just a message for Rais fans,
Wade Bogs is not walking through that door. So you
have the Jays two team parlay two plus money teams
Yankees to the Guardians and thank me on Monday.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Okay, what about you there, Dan Byer.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
You know, I gotta go to golf because the FedEx
Cup playoffs are underway and we may mock them in
terms of their standing with the majors. However, let's get
some value, Let's get some fun in these FedEx Cup playoffs.
JT post It has been playing very well since missing
the cut at the Travelers Championship in late June top
ten top ten, then went and played the Open Championship
(28:03):
in another top ten actually just finished with a birdie
on a scorecard. JT Posting is three shots back right
now to win plus thirty three hundred. Why not try
to win big this weekend? Give me JT Posting to
win the FedEx Saint Jude Championship.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
These are deep, deep insight of picks. Ryan, What we do?
Ryan Smith? What do you got?
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Yes, let's talk about a real sports team. Planet Earth's team.
My Las Vegas Raiders will be facing the Niners on Sunday,
and it's gonna be a revenge game because they hurt
one of ours. Okay, now it's personal. I'm taking the
Raiders by three.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Thank you taking the Raiders. In betting a preseason football game, I'm.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Out the first Doug, I'm out the first.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Nothing says I have a little bit of an habitual
problem like betting a preseason Phil.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Mchlson is that you Niners, by the way, favored by
four in this game.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Well that long.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I got one for you, guys. We know we we
don't know what it'll look like in the regular season.
But no team dominates the preseason like the Baltimore Ravens. Right.
They love winning preseason game. We want to win everything.
They're four and a half favorites fair and a half
point favorites against phild Up Eagles. My guess is we
don't see Jalen Hurts at all. We probably don't see
Lamar Jackson at all as well, don't know who's gonna play,
(29:23):
and don't care. Baltimore likes to win these things. They're
four and a half point favorite. Let's take the Ravens.
Let's take that one to the bank. No, when to run,
Come on, Fellas Town. Show money when it's sitting that table.
Time enough forgetting? When the no one more time you've gotten?
(29:43):
When to hold the hold? When the fold.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
When to walk away? You never count show money when
is sitting at the table. There will be time enough,
perfect doubt when the.
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but I I truly respect and admire my bosses. They're like, dude,
the things you say come from a point of honesty, knowledge,
factual basis or whatever, and they don't necessarily agree with
everything I say. But the allowance to say it knowing
it's not crazy talk, crazy hot take you talk, and
I thought, you know, look, we all try and take
(31:02):
time off in the summer, Ja Sdew and Dan like
you kind of try and time it out right, But
I had a couple of days off and there was
some like we'll talk about this in the pod. But
something that Jayce Do you brought up is the and
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We don't have the we can say what we want
and do what we want whatever, and it's a lot
of fun and it's basically this show only not the
constraints of the FCC. Is that that that's an accurate
portrayal of it there, Jase.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Do absolutely, yeah, And we really pushed the envelope. I mean,
I grew up a fan of Howard Stern and then
the early days of Jim Rome, and we reached those
kind of levels, you know, we go up to the
line and that's where I appreciated about it. You know,
one thing I've always appreciated about Doug Gottlieb and in general,
(32:00):
is that since twenty twenty, the industry has had to rethink,
recalibrate what they say on the air out of fear
of being canceled. But Gottlieb has kind of stayed true
and that you're going to say what you think regardless
of the blowback, and to your first point, that takes
(32:21):
the faith of your employers. And Don Martin and Scott
Shapiro are second to nonsense.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, I think I concur with them, like literally, it's
so interesting how they see the world as opposed to
so many people in our business and people I've worked
for it and I respect. They're like, yeah, you know,
I'll never forget this. This is a true story. Is
I was at CBS and Bayer. Do you remember the
(32:52):
North Carolina no show class sort of scandal if you will,
that end up not actually amount too much.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah, were they fake classes or it was?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
It was it was here's what was It was an
African American studies course and the professor, you know it
was I think it was a correspondence course back for
his online courses whatever. And it was basically like no
one in the entire school showed up for it. It
was a complete sham class. But what happens in athletic
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departments is like if somebody has a class that's an
easy A, they tell everybody that's being that's being a
solid citizen right there, right, Like, dude, what was that class?
You got an A in that was super easy? It
was like, dude, African American Studies is amazing, Like I'm in,
and I'm in because you get an A on a
four on you know, on four credits, like you're basically eligible.
(33:51):
That's that's how important that is. Anyway, so they had
this no show class scandal, and it obviously involved a
good portion of the athletic department because football players and
basketball players found out about it, and I maybe through
their advisors or maybe through talking to each other. And
I think like something like sixty percent of the enrollment
was was athletes. So they faced the ncan quiterbrough. Anyway,
(34:15):
here here's more of the point. I was, we were
doing halftime of a North Carolina Miami game. Now this
is two thousand and twelve, and North Carolina went on
to lose in the National Championship Game on Christiankin's jump shot,
and I was that twenty eleven and twenty twelve back
to back seasons. Like I was a huge proponent of
North Carolina, but I said, they're running out. We're running
(34:37):
a halftime breakdown. And I said, like, you know, the
first one was bad defensive clip. The next one was
a good defensive clip. And I said, you know, when
North Carolina plays defense like, it's a no show class,
they got no shot in the NCAA tournament. But when
they buy in, and then I showed the video then
playing great defense, this team could win it all. And
so you got a little chuckle from the other guys
(34:59):
at the desk, and my one of my not my
head boss, a lower level boss, comes up to me
like two days later and he's like, man, we just
you can't be saying that about a no show class
North Carolina. I was like why, he's what do you mean?
Why go? Well? Did you laugh?
Speaker 7 (35:18):
Well?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah? Did the video teach you something?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Well?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah? Was it an accurate was it an accurate parallel? Yeah?
But he's like, but that's not the point, No, go, no,
that is the point. Right. My job is to entertain
you and to educate you and sometimes take a stance,
and like if North Carolina doesn't like it. That's okay.
They don't have to like everything. That's not how this school.
(35:44):
We don't. We'll not just tell say platitudes and how
great somebody is. But that's not how it was received
by CBS. It was well, they were critically you know,
well he had to take a phone call from so
and so about North Carolina. You're making fun of the
no show classes, like everybody knows about it, that everybody
talks about it. We're gonna like avoid it. I just
put it in the line, and by the way, you
yourself laughed, everybody laughed. It was a funny line. The
(36:09):
difference in that and when you work in a place
where like that was. It made me think. I've had
Scott or Don call me afterwards like you know, I don't.
I don't necessarily agree with you, but it made me
think or it made me laugh or gave me a
difference like that's our job, So I do appreciate it.
With that in mind, I'll just tell you that the
biggest issue I have with the US women's national team
(36:33):
is not the equal pay stuff whatever. Like we've been
over that. It's not really equal pay. It's a you know,
it's a it's a feelings over facts argument. It's fine, like,
that's what the the Soccer Federation decided. That's what they
cowered to, and that's and Mega Rippino and her teammates
(36:56):
were able to get an incredible deal. And you know what,
to that, I would say, congrats, I would I don't
think you're painting a fair narrative. But if the idea
behind the whole thing is to get get money and
get paid like you did it, great job, cool, I get.
I don't think it's smart business to pay somebody a
value that's you know, three four x what they're actually
(37:18):
worth and earning based upon what you're bringing in on
their skills and on their performance and in their stadiums.
But okay, my issue is that if our intention, and
I've said this going back to was it Simone Biles
who appreciated one thing in the limit of Smone Biles?
(37:39):
I think right where everyone says they want to be
treated equally. But you notice what we haven't done all week,
and again I haven't been in here all week, just
the last two days. But you don't see all the
TV talkers or anybody going after the US women's national
team for their performance, not who they are, not their politics,
(38:02):
not the pay forget about that their performance was not
good enough. And Dan, I think you pointed this out
when I was off. I was listing when I was
driving from Maine to Connecticut and I was listening to
the show. Is they choked when? And the definition of
a choke is when the pressure of a moment caused
you to perform on a level far below your normal level.
(38:24):
To me, that's a joke. Mm hm, they choked. But
there's no one on TV or radio is like, dude,
they choked. What a choke job?
Speaker 5 (38:34):
You know?
Speaker 1 (38:35):
And it's the only way. And actually saying you choked
actually takes a lot of the pressure off of them
and saying what I actually think, which is, yeah, I
think they choked. But I also think everybody's caught up
because they had a thirty year head start with TOITLE nine,
you know. And I told you guys when I saw them,
when I saw the first two, when I saw the
(38:55):
Netherlands match, there was no difference makers on that field. None.
There was no nobody who like, that person's just better
than that person. And I don't think our talent is
that good. And maybe that's the training. Maybe that's the
fact that in our country you have amazing amount of choices,
you know, between and even professional sports. But you know,
(39:17):
you can make as much money being an influencer as
you can be an athlete. Now, so you're almost like,
why am I being an athlete when I can just
be an influencer and I don't have to put in
all the hard work like all those things. But I
don't think we're that good. But we still we joked.
But the lack of criticism, to me, one tells you
the reality of how many people actually care, and too
(39:38):
the fact that no one wants to be critical and say, hey,
we got caught because we've been arrogant. Just like men's
basketball in early two thousand, right, the reason we needed
a redeem team is because we had to redeem ourselves
from a couple of embarrassing performances, including the World Championships
in Indianapolis when we got run off the floor and
finished with a bronze medal, And the same things that
(40:02):
were said then should be said now we're arrogant, the
world has caught us. We have to be better and
oh yeah, by the way, we didn't play well that's
not a good team. And in many ways their actions
and their arrogance were kind of embarrassing towards us, but
people won't say it because they don't want to be
as critical of women as they are of men. These
(40:22):
are professional women, professional athletes. But the proof that the
truth of being equal is the praise has to be equal,
but the criticism has to be equal as well. And
I think it's fair to be critical and say they stunk.
(40:44):
There wasn't a match in which they looked like they
played up to their potential. Far too many misshots on goal,
including the last game, and of course then they choked
in the pks.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
It was amazing, Doug, because there were numbers that backed
it up as well on the amount of kicks that
are made. There were research done over a ten year
span high level, high level soccer. We're talking World Cup,
we're talking FA Cup Men's and women's. Eighty five percent
of penalty kicks were made during that ten year stretch.
(41:17):
Of the fifteen percent that missed, Doug, eleven percent were
actually saved by the goalie. A goalie made a play.
So now you've got four percent of the missed penalty
kicks over a ten year span. We're just complete shanks. Misses.
(41:39):
Had nothing to do with the goalie. It was all
about the kick. And how many did the US have
in their final four kicks? Three of them? Three of them.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Shanks shanks Yeah, No, I mean the pressure of the
moment and you know was it Pride comes before the fall?
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Speaker 3 (42:08):
The other part of the argument that that I talked
about this week too was think of the think of
the biggest chokers that you had in sports that we
think of, And the example that I used was was
Cody Parky of the Bears is considered a choker even
though he missed a forty three yard field goal in
the middle of winter on the lake on the shores
of Lake Michigan, on a kick that not only lak yeah,
(42:31):
not only hit the uh you know field goal post once,
but it actually hit it twice to knock it out.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
That's that's that's my point, right, Yeah, wherever we say
double doink and there are people who make fun of
Rapinos miss like, there's been all kinds of memes and
stuff on the miss, but mainstream everybody stays away because
because you're treated like you're a bully, if you're a
man being critical of a of a femle, like you're
(42:58):
supposed to be the greatest soccer players on earth. You
you you shank a p K and we're not able
to be critical of you. That's fine, okay, but don't
don't act like you want to be equal. That's not equal.
It's not how it works. It's not how it's ever
worked anywhere I saw this. This was interesting. So Mike
(43:18):
Rabel is not going to coach their first preseason game.
That's right, Mike Rabel is not going to coach. This
is Rabel talking about why what he's doing.
Speaker 7 (43:32):
I think Mike Vrabel deserves a lot of credit, all right,
He deserves a lot of credit, not just for doing
this for me, but I think around the league, hopefully
more coaches will give assistant coaches opportunities to do this
because there's no like, you got all these different programs,
(43:52):
but there's nothing more better than actually getting the experience.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Now I agree with that, Okay, but of course people
are making this out and Rabel's talking about it's the
uh that was Terrell Williams. Okay, he's going to serve
as the head coach for Saturday's preseason open against the
Chicago Bears. Vrabel presented the idea to Williams a couple
weeks ago, and it increased their workload and the opportunity
for Williams extends beyond game day. He'll take over the
(44:19):
head coach and starting the team meetings on Thursday, and
it'll prepare them, right, it'll prepare them. And I mean, look,
it goes without saying that Terrell Williams is he's a
black man, and there has been a paucity of black
head coaches, general managers, front office people. That the ratio
(44:42):
is has has varied. But I actually think, like we're
we're lauding this and I think it's a good thing.
I think if you take it as well, he's look
this is I was watching yesterday. I did a stream
for mile Mounter Oklahoma State and Mike Boyden is the
(45:03):
head coach, and you know he's having his three assistant
coaches coach the three games they play in Spain. It's
been done before. Now Rabel's taking it to a whole
other level because one, the NFL is bigger, and two
he's having him do the meetings. He's gonna have him
to do the press conferences. And it's great. I mean,
it's great preparation because what do they say when you
get into an interview, like, well, you've never been a
(45:25):
head coach before. Now you're not gonna be able to
do the whole head coaching duties. You can't pick out
the roster, you can't, but you've at least managed at
least you at least said you've done it to know
what it feels like. Do I think a little bit
of it is for the cameras?
Speaker 5 (45:42):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Sure? Do I think a lot of it is because
it makes Rabel a guy who the best assistants are
going to want to work for. Yes, I think that's
a gigantic portion of it. The question becomes, does this
offer get extended to their coaches and to any of
the other coaches. Here's like an honest question that I wonder,
(46:06):
well any white assistant coaches get that opportunity right, because
there is a certain at least a portion of it,
which is, I don't want to say condescending, jays dud,
what's the word I'm looking for where it's like, you
can only coach, you can only coach the first preseason
game and then when the real games come in. All right,
there is a you kid, take it away in which
(46:28):
it's not as altruistic as it seems.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
Is the words you're looking for their patronizing.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
A little bit. It could come across a little patronizing.
I'm trying not to take it that way. I'm trying
to take it as Hey, we've seen this in the NBA,
we see it in UH, we see it in college basketball.
We see it. This is what practices are like. In practices,
you know, you have the assistant coaches take side and
the head coaches. My head coach, Eddie Sutton at Oklaham State,
(46:56):
he didn't coach first two weeks of practice. He sat
there and took copious notes, and everyone's while he get
out of his chair and make a point. But for
the most part he was just taking notes and observing,
and he let his assistance be the be the head coaches.
So it has been done before. This is obviously a
much higher level of it, and I think the obvious
racial component to it is interesting. But I there is
a there is a world in which, or a place
(47:17):
in which you look and go a little little patronizing
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Mike Rabel making an interesting gesture, but what's really behind it?
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We got a lot a lot of stuff going on,
But I want to start with last night we had
football on television. C J. Stroud's new quarterback of the
Houston Texans two for four throws, the pick stares down
a wide receiver and we're left to try and figure
out what do we make a CJ Stroud? All right?
(01:29):
There's talk of hey, did Belichick? Is he schemy against
rookies trying to make guys look bad when normally in
preseason games that doesn't happen, Right, I don't know. My
takeaway is I I really honestly can't figure it out,
(01:49):
and I don't think it's actually our jobs. We can
see some things in the preseason and go I like that.
I want to keep an eye on that, good and bad.
Or this may be really bad. I want to keep
an eye on that, and then ultimately we may be
proven wrong or a team may improve, et cetera, et cetera.
But I think it's really important, really important to have
(02:16):
the balance of saying, look, man, that's the first time
a guy sees live bullets wearing an NFL uniform. On
the other hand, what was the criticism of c J.
Stroud before he was drafted. You know, it's that, like
so many of these Ohio State quarterbacks, they're throwing the
open guys, and when you're in the NFL, you actually
have to read the defense, have to be more deceptive
(02:39):
with who you're throwing to, how you're throwing to them,
all of those other little things that you just can't
get away with when you have better players than everybody else.
And that's really that's really what's at issue. It's hard though,
because right we judge him on a scale of well,
he's an Ohio State quarterback somewhat. I don't think that's
the only reason there was that criticism, because you know,
(03:01):
Justin Fields has not shown himself to be a great thrower,
and you kind of go through the boroughs the only
guy to come through Ohio State's system in the last
what how many years that they've been good and actually
be a really productive and he's I think a great player,
but even a really productive, consistent quarterback. And he didn't
actually play at Ohio State. He was at Ohio State,
(03:22):
but then he transferred and of course one year where
it was okay at LSU and then maybe the greatest
season ever in the history of college football at LSU.
But I think it's a very real thing when and
we see this, this is actually something that happens in
high school sports. I'm sure there's a team like this
(03:44):
in your area. There's a high school basketball program near
where I live. It's called Modern Day. A Modern Day
is coached by Gary McKnight. He's one of our one
thousand games. He's actually in the Nasmith Memorial Hall of Fame.
He's the winningest coach in the history of California basketball.
They are magnificently coached, They have great uniforms, they have
a beautiful facility, and they they're a little bit down
(04:06):
recently because now you know the Bronnie Jameses of the world,
and there's a push to stay in LA and guys
where people used to move from LA to go to
Modern Day. But they're always they're still gonna be good.
But for years, modern Day guys, modern Day basketball guys
would always transfer, you know, would always transfer, And the
(04:31):
logic behind it or trying to figure out what happened was, well, look,
they're so used to always being successful and having just
better players than everybody else that there was no reality
of having to work through some things sometimes being an
inferior talented team. And it's a magic mix there, right, Like,
(04:55):
you don't want to be in a team where you've
got no shot and you got to take every shot
and you're not ultimate I'm going to succeed because that
reads bad habits as well. Right, you can only do
so much going one on two or one on five
like that ain't good either. But because it was kind
of a utopia and they didn't face much adversity, you
get to college and now all of a sudden, not
(05:15):
only are you whether you're better, then you're not going
to be better than the guy guarding you because you're young,
but also you don't have the benefit of just having
overall better talent. It's also this is also a reason
that college coaches haven't succeeded. People always say that college
coaches that are successful, uh, don't succeed because it's all
(05:36):
about them, it's all about threego And there's probably some
truth to that. There's also some truth to the idea
that when Nick Saban, when he's at LSU and they
win a national championship, nick Saban's got better players than
ninety percent of the teams he plays against maybe ninety
five percent. And that's the truth. With Alabama, you know,
(05:56):
same thing with you kind of go through that. Yeah,
Bobby Petrino, when he originally left Louisville to go to
the Atlanta Falcons and then failed halfway through and left
halfway through his first year, you'd say, well, Louisville's not Alabama,
but in their league, Louisville was better than everybody else.
(06:20):
Go through it. If anything, I think that Harball was
probably the guy that Remember, he resurrected Stanford football, and
because Stanford wasn't at an athletic advantage, there was more
substance to his style of coaching and then you see
that adversity and you don't know how to adjust. It
(06:42):
is really hard to be great when you haven't been bad,
when you haven't had to figure some things out. And
it's got to be hard for CJ. Stroud, no matter
how good he is. We all wonder what's it like
when you actually have to manipulate a defense with your eyes?
What's it like when you have to throw a guy open? Right,
We're getting more on that in a second. Dan Buyer's
(07:04):
got breaking news around Foxport break.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Doug, I feel this is right up your rally. Sixteen
year old prep basketball star Cooper Flegg announced that he
is reclassifying to the class of twenty twenty four, a
year earlier than expected. The move would make Flag eligible
to enter the twenty twenty five NBA Draft just sixteen
years old, turned seventeen in December, but Cooper Flegg reclassifying
(07:29):
could be in the NBA sooner than expected.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, so the question becomes, he's transferred to montverd I
believe Academy, which is in I think that's in Orlando, Florida.
So then the question becomes, you know he does he
go to college for a year? Does he do g
League Ignite? Does he play in Australia? What does what
does he do? He obviously will have the ability to
(07:53):
generate massive amounts of money in ANIL space. But if
you haven't, you don't know who Cooper Flag is. He's
the best high school basketball player in the country. Carlos
Boozer's sons are very, very good. I think Cooper. They
beat Cooper Flag's team the final of this it's called
the eybl but I think a lot of that is
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and he didn't play great in that game, but then
they had breaten them. They he had beaten his team
had beaten the Boozer's team like three four days before,
and he played magnificently. But the question now is that
makes sense? And this is what And he's not a
holdback right, He's he'll graduate at seventeen. He was supposed
to graduate at eighteen. That's traditional age. A lot of
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kids have held back, especially COVID, but even before COVID,
and so they reclassify and skip their senior year. He's
just gonna skip. I guess what it is his sophomore
year and oh no, his junior year. He's gonna skip
his junior year and he'll be a senior. He's at
Mont verd And the question now is does he play
college basketball? And I don't have the answer to that.
(08:57):
I don't have it. I would love him to. I
would love for it to happen, but I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, I agree with you. I really really hope that
he does, because it's it's been fun. Even you know,
the one and done was soured for a wild Doug,
but then I feel like we've we've adjusted to it,
and you know, even Zion's year. I mean, you think about,
you know, putting aside what he's done in the NBA,
but just that year at Duke, the drama, the shoe,
(09:25):
his performance, which was very very good, all of that
is great. So I hope that he does playing college
basketball because it would be such a boost for it.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
S Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So anyway,
the takeaway with CJ. Stroud and the Pats wasn't great
is early It is the Pats where they do focus defense.
They do focus in their defense, and I have I
have no real true clue as to what CJ. Stroud's
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level of competency is, but I will tell you that
there were plenty of NFL people who said they like CJ. Stroud,
but I don't know. So hard to tell with Ohio
State guys, no matter how good he was, and remember
he didn't have a great season last year, then you
can attest to this in terms of there were it
was kind of an up and down year at Ohio
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State in terms of his overall production. But then he
was otherworldly, otherworldly in the college football payoff? Is that
is that fair buyer?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
So yeah, justin I'm sorry, were talking about justin fields.
You're talking about to Stroud. Okay, So yeah, Stroud's game.
He was really good last year, like really really good
last year, and then over the latter part of the
season he started to run a little bit more, which
he's not a running quarterback, but you just at least
need to move a little bit. And he actually did
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that a little bit last night. Did that later on
in his career. But yeah, his the game that he
put on against Georgia was really it's one of those
games where they lost, and heartbreaking loss, but you're happy
for him because it's solidified kind of everything that he
had done and culminated in that moment. But yeah, he's
(11:11):
he's it's gonna take some time. You're facing I know
it's preseason, but a Bill Belichick defense in your first
game and it was third and twenty five or whatever
it was on the interception, I think you'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I have no doubt that he'll have every opportunity to
that's gonna be Huh.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
The other thing about the Ohio State quarterback thing, what's
so funny is it is it's true in the sense
that there just hasn't been the one to break through.
But when you've had different coaching staffs, different coaching regimes,
different guys coaching the quarterbacks, that's the only thing. So
you've got now, you've got you know, the late Dwayne Haskins,
(11:52):
Joe Burrow justin fields, you've got CJ. Straud As you mentioned.
You know, there's Ryan Day fingerprints on these later guys.
And that's where you're wondering. Okay, you know JT. Barrett
was you know, a great college quarterback. You know that
that's what he was. But was he you know, destined
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to be a great quarterback in the NFL. No, So
when we talk about the Ohio State quarterbacks, I think
it's a real thing. But it is different guys, different
coaching staffs, different you know, assistants that have have coached
these guys. So maybe this recent swing could could end
up being an uptick for for that narrative.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
It's it's it's and and look that's remember Nick Saban
for years, Well you know those those aren't good NFL quarterbacks.
And now take a look at and I think you
can still credit him from Jalen Hurts because Jalen started
there for two years and then split time in his
third year, right, you can give him some credit. Tua
hasn't been what was advertised, but he's still been more
(12:55):
than competent quarterback, went healthy in the NFL, and uh,
you know they and obviously now you have the number
one overall pick who I think is going to be
really really good. So they've they've turned the corner some
there as well. And I actually think like that's the
that's kind of the difference in Ohio state and and
in Alabama of late is they've always been good, but
(13:17):
it's been an ensemble cast. Now you add in a
top five level quarterback and they can be otherworldly.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
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(13:54):
of course. And Mark, we got a chance to see
uh CJ. Stroud last night. What were your thoughts of
him going into the draft?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Like the CJ. Stroud felt like he was good with
the ball, Uh, you know, a good athlete, not exceptional,
but a good athlete. And uh really felt like in
terms of you know, made good decisions at ohiuse sate
and uh you know, had the arm ability to arm
action to be able to make the throw. So I
liked all those things about him. Certainly last night was
(14:22):
a wake up call for CJ. Stroud. Uh, and just
a tough outing.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Uh. Okay, so you've seen rookie quarterbacks before. What what
how much can we take from it in terms of
the overall story of what he's going to be.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, it's tough, right, and you know it's it's a
couple of series. It didn't look very good. I mean, Doug,
you watch it and you know, if you're just watching
it from a Scotty perspective and as a fan, you
saw a guy that was struggling with the processing of
how fast things were happening in front of him, and
it was you know, very much uncomfortable in the pocket.
Worried about getting hit after you know, the early and
(15:01):
so I thought it was disappointed. I think the thing
you wish you could have seen with that was just
one drive of maybe five or six plays, three first downs,
even if they don't end up in the score, it's
something to build off of. There was really nothing to
build off of last night that I factually thought they
might put him out there for one more series just
to see if we can get some encouragement going. So
he's going to go back and watch the tape. Here's
(15:22):
the thing I'd say, he does not have to be
Houston starter week one. It's not ideal because he took
him two overall, but I'd rather not rush a young
quarterback and make sure it's time when he's ready. So
he's got a couple of weeks here. I would put
him in, play him a ton more in week two
and week three in the preseason, and I wouldn't make
my final decision if I'm coach Ryan's until after week three,
(15:43):
and then I tell people who's gonna be my starting
quarterback week one, and if it's not CJ. Stroud, it
doesn't mean you got to put a bow one and
it's done. It's just that he might need a little
bit more time to make sure that, you know, when
we do get him out there, it's not turns into
Derek Carr where he got used so much that he
got ruined. David Carr should say.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, David Carr was he got he got just beat
up and he never really never really recovered from it. Okay,
I'm I'm interested in this Philip River story. You know,
there's been some back and forth between Jimmy Garoppolo and
Kyle Shanahan. Uh, and Shanahan of course said, you know,
like we got the Super Bowl, Philip Rivers would have
(16:23):
been our quarterback. That sounds great, but like I wouldn't
have played in eighteen months, wasn't very good before retired?
And oh yeah, by the way, he's a non athlete
at a style of playing quarterback where you know, Kyle
Shanahan style, you don't have to be great at a lot,
but you do need to be very athletic. Would that
have worked? I mean, I know it's hindsight, but would
that have worked?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
You know what, I think it's a possibility. You know,
there's a chance that Philip, based off of what had happened,
maybe had a little bit more knowledge of what was
going on offensively, and you know, a guy that you
know in two weeks because of how much he's played
in the Nation Football League process and develop with the
arm sleeves and just the conversation that you can have
from the coach, you know, from the box down to
(17:06):
you and talking to you through it. I think it
could have worked. What have it put them all the
way through the top and say, hey, look, you're gonna
win a championship. I don't know about that, and my
gut instinct would be no, but you know, and again
you're to your point, Doug. You know Philip's not going
to move around and doesn't really move the pocket. That's
not his game. And you see a lot of that
in San Francisco Kryle Shanahan's offenses. So could have it worked? Yeah?
(17:28):
Do I think it's a good At least you have
that mindset going, like, if we get this done, we've
got at least a plan to somehow win the Super Bowl.
I kind of like it. I think it's aggressive, but
I kind of like the idea.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I did too. I wish I'm sure they're kicking themselves.
Wish they would have prepared for the NFC Championship game
with Philip Rivers, then maybe that maybe that would have
been that that would have been different. I am. I'm
fascinated by a couple of these quarterbacks and what they're
going to look like this year. Let's we mentioned New England,
you know, we he didn't see Mac Jones last night,
(18:02):
but they do have a real offensive guy, a real
quarterback guy back working with the offense. On the other hand, man,
they did not have a lot of dudes to throw to.
What are your thoughts on how the Patriots look offensively
this year?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah, I think they're going to be Okay. I was like,
I'm with you on Bill O'Brien being there. I think
that's a big deal for them to have, you know,
experienced play caller who's had you know, success doing it,
you know, led teams to playoffs in the NFL, great
job at Alabama. So I think that's all very important.
My problem is the same thing I think you're looking at.
There's a reason why Dalvin Cook went through there. There's
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a reason why DeAndre Hopkins went through there. You know,
they look at their team and realize, we have a
lot of guys that have had, you know, roles where
they've kind of tried to be the number one but
couldn't quite hold on to it. Whether it's DeVante Parker,
Juju Smith, you know, they've got guys that have shown
some flashes, but no one that's been like, hey, look,
if you need the first down, you throw it here.
And that's the thing I think they're missing. And they're
not a fast football team. And you know, as well
(19:01):
as they're coached, you know you can't help, but you
need that speed element on these teams, especially where the
rules are and the way the game's being shaped. And
so I think that's going to limit them from being
a high enough octane team to handle the AFC with
all the gunslingers and the quarterbacks and the points that
you can see not only just the AFC East, but
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throughout the AFC in general. And so I think that's
going to hold them back from being a really good team.
I think they're going to be more of that. We
can score seventeen to twenty four game. Sadly, a lot
of their opponents can to score twenty one to thirty five.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Okay, So I'm fascinated about that. The totality of that division.
The Jets, some of the issues with their offensive line
have become very very pronounced. How fixable out workable is that? Yeah?
I just I guess that's really the question. How workable
is it? Considering it looks like they have the skill position,
but the offensive line very much in flex Again, outside
(20:00):
looking in, that does not appear to be a way
in which you're going to be successful at the highest
level of the NFL. But I could be wrong. It's Rogers.
They have time to work through it. What do you
think of the issues they have with their line and
how flexible they are?
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah, I think the problem is Doug, it's the tackles.
I think they're going to be fine interior wise. I
think they're going to be fine at the center. I
just think their tackles are a problem infecting. You know,
it's got to see that he can handle more snaps
and get out there. Max Mitchell has to take a step.
And then Dwayne Brown, who's you know what, thirty seven
years old. You're counting on him to place seventeen. That's
tough to do. Hard for me to imagine it, but
(20:40):
you know it's a possibility, but just really hard considering
that you know he was on IUR last year as well.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
So.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, I think it's the problem. The good news is
Aaron's release quickness is exceptional, his pocket awareness is exceptional,
and so I think you can and you have Tyler Conklin,
who I think is a really good and who you
know absolutely can ship and can hold his own in
terms of pass protection. So that's going to give him
some help. But it's it's going to be a product sake.
(21:08):
It's not a fixable situation during the season of fixture
left tackle or right tackle spot. And I think they're
very concerned about that. And I know they signed Billy
Turner to kind of be that swing tackle, but right
now they're just hoping to have two starting tackles, let alone,
you know, have the what you're doing a swing So
you know this preseason is going to be important, but
you know, can they stay healthy and then do it.
I've got the Jets third in their division.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I'm I'm fascinated by by a team like the Redskins
and what's going on with Eric b Enemy as the
offensive coordinator. Now again, full disclosure, you weren't listening yesterday,
but I've you go back to when he hasn't gotten
head coaching jobs. I've talked to some gentle managers and
(21:51):
they've told me that, like, look, this is part of
them for the enemy, is that he's not really a uniter.
He is a guy that can be in this divisive
in terms of questioning the head coach, but not a
guy that brings everybody together. And that's the job of
a head coach. Right. What was your perception of the
enemy and why he hadn't yet gotten an opportunity to
(22:12):
be a head coach.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Yeah, well, you know, I've met coach the Enemy in passing.
Don't know him deeply as a person. Certainly has had
tons of interviews, and when you have that many interviews,
you don't get it. There's something that that's either swinging
or there's something that's uncomfortable. You know what happened, you
know in terms of players, you know, feeling like he
was a little too harsh or a little too tough.
You know, there's players that love that type of coach,
(22:35):
there's players that just can't handle that type of coach.
And certainly younger players maybe a little bit from a
different type of environment or a different type of situation
where they're not used to somebody being so aggressive. Now
I think the enemy comes from the passion of like,
he understands how important this year is for him, and
he's going with Sam Howe and the Washington commander is
to show that he should be a head coach. And
I'm sure he's trying to motivate his guys, but I
(22:57):
was also, you know, not going to put up with
you know, mistakes, and you know, he's been around a
lot of great coaches and a little surprising for me too,
you know, Coach Rivera kind of took the bait on
it and then had to kind of work through it
and backtrack it a little bit. But I think the
thing with the end of me is I think that's
the question was, you know, that's why he went. Can
(23:18):
he call plays? Can he develop you know an offensive corder?
What does this staff look like? But the main part
is he's the head coach, so he's got to you know,
talk to the team. And whether or not this is
the reason why it's been passed over, it certainly doesn't
help the cause.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
No it doesn't. Is it a is it a bigger
deal or a better deal that this is getting aired out? Now?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Better deal it's getting aared now, you know very I
think it's very important that you know, it's just kind
of like got out there. It's kind of a humble
pill for everybody, whether it's for the enemy and just
like realizing that or you know, if he can't check
himself and say, hey, maybe maybe I need to tone
it down just the hair, but don't. You can't just
you can't come or not become some of you or not.
You can't do that, but you also can maybe be
more pointed to when you do it instead of doing
(24:02):
it all the time. And it sounds like maybe that's
what needs to happen. Is it's more of like, hey, look,
I'm willing to yell at you guys, but it's really important.
Like coach Dungee never yelled at him, but the boy
when his voice went up, everybody listen because you're like, well,
that's ue. He doesn't usually do that. So when he
got frustrated, every he's like what is he? What are
we talking about here? You know? And so it was
like caught everyone's attention. John Gruden knew how to like
(24:23):
really like emphasize a point and he could be hard
on you, but he also was trying to make a
point with you. You're like, hey, look what are you
doing on this situation? Like, come on, man, I need
you here? Because he would always back it up with
I need you here, like it would be a little
bit of like a beat you down, but I need
you you know, And so it kind of hurt the player.
But he'd also see like, Okay, I see where's coming from.
(24:43):
You know, I don't know coach b enemy, but certainly
you know, he knows again that if he can have
success in Washington, it might lead to him having a
chance to finally be the head coach's wanted so badly.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
What do you think? What do you think is it
holds back the Chargers from achieving what their talent And
obviously last year you had You've had injuries, but everybody
has injuries. Why haven't they been able to achieve what
most people believe is up to their level of talent.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Yeah, I don't I don't have a great answer other
than you know, we saw this the unfortunate collapse in
the in the wild card game against Jacksonville where you
felt like, Okay, we're finally seeing this Chargers team what
we always do and it always feels like something slips.
You know, I think this year it's going to be
it's going to be the two receivers Keenan Allen and
Mike Williams. How healthy can they stay for seventeen games?
I think that's going to be a pivotal part for
(25:34):
this team. Yes, health is for everybody. It does feel
like the Chargers have been consistently bit by the bug,
and so can they get through that? You know, whether
it's or less tackle, whether it's a wide receiver, whether
it's a defensive lineman. You know, it just always seems
like it's somebody of safety. You know, it's been somebody.
So can they avoid the big injury this year? To me,
that's going to be it. And then you know, even
(25:55):
if they lose a receiver for a little bit in
a week or two, can they just get through that.
But other than that, I think they're going to be
right there, battle and the Chiefs all the way through.
And you know, could they host a Lombardi Trophy based
off of that roster? I think they could. You know,
can they get through the gauntlet? They haven't never proven
that and so you know, I think it's optimism and
rightfully so but with a little bit of concern that
(26:18):
we've seen the pass play out too many times.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Awesome stuff. Hey, Mark, have a great weekend. Football's on TV.
I'm sure you'll be watching a lot of it. Can't
wait to talk to you next week.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Sounds great to thug you too, buddy.
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that you can go to the window with and uh
we do it to the dulcet sounds of Kenny Rodgers
(26:53):
in the Gambler. We begin this Friday with the famed
Jstewd team parlay from Jason Stewart.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
And you need to run to the bed in window, Doug,
because these games are coming up really quick, the two
early games and the MLB on the MLB schedule tonight,
Guardians at the Rays, Yankees at the Marlins. I'm gonna
take the Yankees plus money. Combine that with the Guardians
plus money. For whatever reason, the Guardians are plus money
(27:23):
at the Rays and just a message for Rais fans,
Wade Bogs is not walking through that door. So you
have the Jays two team parlay two plus money teams
Yankees to the Guardians and thank me on Monday.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Okay, what about you there, Dan Byer.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
You know, I gotta go to golf because the FedEx
Cup playoffs are underway and we may mock them in
terms of their standing with the majors. However, let's get
some value, Let's get some fun in these FedEx Cup playoffs.
JT post It has been playing very well since missing
the cut at the Travelers Championship in late June top
ten top ten, then went and played the Open Championship
(28:03):
in another top ten actually just finished with a birdie
on a scorecard. JT Posting is three shots back right
now to win plus thirty three hundred. Why not try
to win big this weekend? Give me JT Posting to
win the FedEx Saint Jude Championship.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
These are deep, deep insight of picks. Ryan, What we do?
Ryan Smith? What do you got?
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Yes, let's talk about a real sports team. Planet Earth's team.
My Las Vegas Raiders will be facing the Niners on Sunday,
and it's gonna be a revenge game because they hurt
one of ours. Okay, now it's personal. I'm taking the
Raiders by three.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Thank you taking the Raiders. In betting a preseason football game, I'm.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Out the first Doug, I'm out the first.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Nothing says I have a little bit of an habitual
problem like betting a preseason Phil.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Mchlson is that you Niners, by the way, favored by
four in this game.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Well that long.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I got one for you, guys. We know we we
don't know what it'll look like in the regular season.
But no team dominates the preseason like the Baltimore Ravens. Right.
They love winning preseason game. We want to win everything.
They're four and a half favorites fair and a half
point favorites against phild Up Eagles. My guess is we
don't see Jalen Hurts at all. We probably don't see
Lamar Jackson at all as well, don't know who's gonna play,
(29:23):
and don't care. Baltimore likes to win these things. They're
four and a half point favorite. Let's take the Ravens.
Let's take that one to the bank. No, when to run,
Come on, Fellas Town. Show money when it's sitting that table.
Time enough forgetting? When the no one more time you've gotten?
(29:43):
When to hold the hold? When the fold.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
When to walk away? You never count show money when
is sitting at the table. There will be time enough,
perfect doubt when the.
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(32:00):
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(32:21):
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Yeah, I think I concur with them, like literally, it's
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so many people in our business and people I've worked
for it and I respect. They're like, yeah, you know,
I'll never forget this. This is a true story. Is
I was at CBS and Bayer. Do you remember the
(32:52):
North Carolina no show class sort of scandal if you will,
that end up not actually amount too much.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah, were they fake classes or it was?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
It was it was here's what was It was an
African American studies course and the professor, you know it
was I think it was a correspondence course back for
his online courses whatever. And it was basically like no
one in the entire school showed up for it. It
was a complete sham class. But what happens in athletic
(33:27):
departments is like if somebody has a class that's an
easy A, they tell everybody that's being that's being a
solid citizen right there, right, Like, dude, what was that class?
You got an A in that was super easy? It
was like, dude, African American Studies is amazing, Like I'm in,
and I'm in because you get an A on a
four on you know, on four credits, like you're basically eligible.
(33:51):
That's that's how important that is. Anyway, so they had
this no show class scandal, and it obviously involved a
good portion of the athletic department because football players and
basketball players found out about it, and I maybe through
their advisors or maybe through talking to each other. And
I think like something like sixty percent of the enrollment
was was athletes. So they faced the ncan quiterbrough. Anyway,
(34:15):
here here's more of the point. I was, we were
doing halftime of a North Carolina Miami game. Now this
is two thousand and twelve, and North Carolina went on
to lose in the National Championship Game on Christiankin's jump shot,
and I was that twenty eleven and twenty twelve back
to back seasons. Like I was a huge proponent of
North Carolina, but I said, they're running out. We're running
(34:37):
a halftime breakdown. And I said, like, you know, the
first one was bad defensive clip. The next one was
a good defensive clip. And I said, you know, when
North Carolina plays defense like, it's a no show class,
they got no shot in the NCAA tournament. But when
they buy in, and then I showed the video then
playing great defense, this team could win it all. And
so you got a little chuckle from the other guys
(34:59):
at the desk, and my one of my not my
head boss, a lower level boss, comes up to me
like two days later and he's like, man, we just
you can't be saying that about a no show class
North Carolina. I was like why, he's what do you mean?
Why go? Well? Did you laugh?
Speaker 7 (35:18):
Well?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah? Did the video teach you something?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Well?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah? Was it an accurate was it an accurate parallel? Yeah?
But he's like, but that's not the point, No, go, no,
that is the point. Right. My job is to entertain
you and to educate you and sometimes take a stance,
and like if North Carolina doesn't like it. That's okay.
They don't have to like everything. That's not how this school.
(35:44):
We don't. We'll not just tell say platitudes and how
great somebody is. But that's not how it was received
by CBS. It was well, they were critically you know,
well he had to take a phone call from so
and so about North Carolina. You're making fun of the
no show classes, like everybody knows about it, that everybody
talks about it. We're gonna like avoid it. I just
put it in the line, and by the way, you
yourself laughed, everybody laughed. It was a funny line. The
(36:09):
difference in that and when you work in a place
where like that was. It made me think. I've had
Scott or Don call me afterwards like you know, I don't.
I don't necessarily agree with you, but it made me
think or it made me laugh or gave me a
difference like that's our job, So I do appreciate it.
With that in mind, I'll just tell you that the
biggest issue I have with the US women's national team
(36:33):
is not the equal pay stuff whatever. Like we've been
over that. It's not really equal pay. It's a you know,
it's a it's a feelings over facts argument. It's fine, like,
that's what the the Soccer Federation decided. That's what they
cowered to, and that's and Mega Rippino and her teammates
(36:56):
were able to get an incredible deal. And you know what,
to that, I would say, congrats, I would I don't
think you're painting a fair narrative. But if the idea
behind the whole thing is to get get money and
get paid like you did it, great job, cool, I get.
I don't think it's smart business to pay somebody a
value that's you know, three four x what they're actually
(37:18):
worth and earning based upon what you're bringing in on
their skills and on their performance and in their stadiums.
But okay, my issue is that if our intention, and
I've said this going back to was it Simone Biles
who appreciated one thing in the limit of Smone Biles?
(37:39):
I think right where everyone says they want to be
treated equally. But you notice what we haven't done all week,
and again I haven't been in here all week, just
the last two days. But you don't see all the
TV talkers or anybody going after the US women's national
team for their performance, not who they are, not their politics,
(38:02):
not the pay forget about that their performance was not
good enough. And Dan, I think you pointed this out
when I was off. I was listing when I was
driving from Maine to Connecticut and I was listening to
the show. Is they choked when? And the definition of
a choke is when the pressure of a moment caused
you to perform on a level far below your normal level.
(38:24):
To me, that's a joke. Mm hm, they choked. But
there's no one on TV or radio is like, dude,
they choked. What a choke job?
Speaker 5 (38:34):
You know?
Speaker 1 (38:35):
And it's the only way. And actually saying you choked
actually takes a lot of the pressure off of them
and saying what I actually think, which is, yeah, I
think they choked. But I also think everybody's caught up
because they had a thirty year head start with TOITLE nine,
you know. And I told you guys when I saw them,
when I saw the first two, when I saw the
(38:55):
Netherlands match, there was no difference makers on that field. None.
There was no nobody who like, that person's just better
than that person. And I don't think our talent is
that good. And maybe that's the training. Maybe that's the
fact that in our country you have amazing amount of choices,
you know, between and even professional sports. But you know,
(39:17):
you can make as much money being an influencer as
you can be an athlete. Now, so you're almost like,
why am I being an athlete when I can just
be an influencer and I don't have to put in
all the hard work like all those things. But I
don't think we're that good. But we still we joked.
But the lack of criticism, to me, one tells you
the reality of how many people actually care, and too
(39:38):
the fact that no one wants to be critical and say, hey,
we got caught because we've been arrogant. Just like men's
basketball in early two thousand, right, the reason we needed
a redeem team is because we had to redeem ourselves
from a couple of embarrassing performances, including the World Championships
in Indianapolis when we got run off the floor and
finished with a bronze medal, And the same things that
(40:02):
were said then should be said now we're arrogant, the
world has caught us. We have to be better and
oh yeah, by the way, we didn't play well that's
not a good team. And in many ways their actions
and their arrogance were kind of embarrassing towards us, but
people won't say it because they don't want to be
as critical of women as they are of men. These
(40:22):
are professional women, professional athletes. But the proof that the
truth of being equal is the praise has to be equal,
but the criticism has to be equal as well. And
I think it's fair to be critical and say they stunk.
(40:44):
There wasn't a match in which they looked like they
played up to their potential. Far too many misshots on goal,
including the last game, and of course then they choked
in the pks.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
It was amazing, Doug, because there were numbers that backed
it up as well on the amount of kicks that
are made. There were research done over a ten year
span high level, high level soccer. We're talking World Cup,
we're talking FA Cup Men's and women's. Eighty five percent
of penalty kicks were made during that ten year stretch.
(41:17):
Of the fifteen percent that missed, Doug, eleven percent were
actually saved by the goalie. A goalie made a play.
So now you've got four percent of the missed penalty
kicks over a ten year span. We're just complete shanks. Misses.
(41:39):
Had nothing to do with the goalie. It was all
about the kick. And how many did the US have
in their final four kicks? Three of them? Three of them.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Shanks shanks Yeah, No, I mean the pressure of the
moment and you know was it Pride comes before the fall?
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Speaker 3 (42:08):
The other part of the argument that that I talked
about this week too was think of the think of
the biggest chokers that you had in sports that we
think of, And the example that I used was was
Cody Parky of the Bears is considered a choker even
though he missed a forty three yard field goal in
the middle of winter on the lake on the shores
of Lake Michigan, on a kick that not only lak yeah,
(42:31):
not only hit the uh you know field goal post once,
but it actually hit it twice to knock it out.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
That's that's that's my point, right, Yeah, wherever we say
double doink and there are people who make fun of
Rapinos miss like, there's been all kinds of memes and
stuff on the miss, but mainstream everybody stays away because
because you're treated like you're a bully, if you're a
man being critical of a of a femle, like you're
(42:58):
supposed to be the greatest soccer players on earth. You
you you shank a p K and we're not able
to be critical of you. That's fine, okay, but don't
don't act like you want to be equal. That's not equal.
It's not how it works. It's not how it's ever
worked anywhere I saw this. This was interesting. So Mike
(43:18):
Rabel is not going to coach their first preseason game.
That's right, Mike Rabel is not going to coach. This
is Rabel talking about why what he's doing.
Speaker 7 (43:32):
I think Mike Vrabel deserves a lot of credit, all right,
He deserves a lot of credit, not just for doing
this for me, but I think around the league, hopefully
more coaches will give assistant coaches opportunities to do this
because there's no like, you got all these different programs,
(43:52):
but there's nothing more better than actually getting the experience.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Now I agree with that, Okay, but of course people
are making this out and Rabel's talking about it's the
uh that was Terrell Williams. Okay, he's going to serve
as the head coach for Saturday's preseason open against the
Chicago Bears. Vrabel presented the idea to Williams a couple
weeks ago, and it increased their workload and the opportunity
for Williams extends beyond game day. He'll take over the
(44:19):
head coach and starting the team meetings on Thursday, and
it'll prepare them, right, it'll prepare them. And I mean, look,
it goes without saying that Terrell Williams is he's a
black man, and there has been a paucity of black
head coaches, general managers, front office people. That the ratio
(44:42):
is has has varied. But I actually think, like we're
we're lauding this and I think it's a good thing.
I think if you take it as well, he's look
this is I was watching yesterday. I did a stream
for mile Mounter Oklahoma State and Mike Boyden is the
(45:03):
head coach, and you know he's having his three assistant
coaches coach the three games they play in Spain. It's
been done before. Now Rabel's taking it to a whole
other level because one, the NFL is bigger, and two
he's having him do the meetings. He's gonna have him
to do the press conferences. And it's great. I mean,
it's great preparation because what do they say when you
get into an interview, like, well, you've never been a
(45:25):
head coach before. Now you're not gonna be able to
do the whole head coaching duties. You can't pick out
the roster, you can't, but you've at least managed at
least you at least said you've done it to know
what it feels like. Do I think a little bit
of it is for the cameras?
Speaker 5 (45:42):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Sure? Do I think a lot of it is because
it makes Rabel a guy who the best assistants are
going to want to work for. Yes, I think that's
a gigantic portion of it. The question becomes, does this
offer get extended to their coaches and to any of
the other coaches. Here's like an honest question that I wonder,
(46:06):
well any white assistant coaches get that opportunity right, because
there is a certain at least a portion of it,
which is, I don't want to say condescending, jays dud,
what's the word I'm looking for where it's like, you
can only coach, you can only coach the first preseason
game and then when the real games come in. All right,
there is a you kid, take it away in which
(46:28):
it's not as altruistic as it seems.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
Is the words you're looking for their patronizing.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
A little bit. It could come across a little patronizing.
I'm trying not to take it that way. I'm trying
to take it as Hey, we've seen this in the NBA,
we see it in UH, we see it in college basketball.
We see it. This is what practices are like. In practices,
you know, you have the assistant coaches take side and
the head coaches. My head coach, Eddie Sutton at Oklaham State,
(46:56):
he didn't coach first two weeks of practice. He sat
there and took copious notes, and everyone's while he get
out of his chair and make a point. But for
the most part he was just taking notes and observing,
and he let his assistance be the be the head coaches.
So it has been done before. This is obviously a
much higher level of it, and I think the obvious
racial component to it is interesting. But I there is
a there is a world in which, or a place
(47:17):
in which you look and go a little little patronizing
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