April 24, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug doesn't think Reggie Bush getting his Heisman Trophy back should be celebrated, and explains why. Doug talks about the NFL Draft prospects with former NFL Executive Thomas Dimitroff and SumerSports analytics expert Eric Eager. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes Doug through game of "For Better or Worse?".
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that Reggie Bush is apparently going to get his Heisman back,
and the Heisman Trust is touting the changes in college football,
massive changed to in college football are the reason why
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we're giving Reggie back his Heisman. Now, look, I could
point out that it's comic. It's a comically bad look
for Oj Simpson to have died still having his Heisman
trophy and Reggie Bush being very much alive without his
Heisman trophy. But you want to know what the truth is,
the truth is, we've all been snookered, we've been stuckerd Look,
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Reggie Bush should have won the Heisman, did win the Heisman. Right,
we were all there, we all lived to see it.
And for people who want to go back and go like, hey,
Vince Young should have won it because he outplayed Reggie
Bush in the Rose Bowl. Again, that's a flawed of
the Heisman Trophy voting because on the last game of
the regular season that year, Texas played TECHS A and
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M and Vince Young played poorly, and then on the
same broadcast channel, UCLA played USC and Reggie Bush was
so far and away the best player on the field,
with you know, Lindell White and a whole bunch of
other talented Trojans, it was an obvious selection. Okay, but
what are we doing. We're giving it back his Heisman
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Trophy when he never admitted to doing anything wrong. Look,
I would to give it up my Heyesman Trophy to
begin with. But once you gave it up, you're admitting
guilt on some Levelay, but without All you had to
say was he has never ever come clean about how
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it all worked, how it all went out. And just
because it's legal now an nil, does that mean we
give back all the banners, we give back all the seasons,
we give back money that coaches and universities lost because
they were cheating their No, the rules were pretty apparent.
And I'm saying this because I defended Reggie Bush even
throughout the time, like, wow, what his stepdad is doing.
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He didn't know, And what they proved was like he
knew he was getting paid because this is the way
it used to work. Way it used to work was
the top players would get taken care of, and the
teams that were over the top and how they took
care of guys were the ones that everybody said, there're
a bunch of cheaters. The difference now is everybody gets something,
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even guys that aren't terribly deserving of it. All right,
it's it's the opposite of nil. It actually, Reggie Bush,
the nil that he would have gotten in the old
system would have been you win the Heisman Trophy and
all of the fruits of your labor. Go with it, right,
you got the Heisman house ads, But I'm supposed to
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sit here and go like yeah, NCAA, yeah, sticking to him. Yeah,
Like the NCAA had nothing to do with this decision.
They actually don't have purview into the world of the
Heisman Trophy, that is, the Heisman Trust and the Heisman
Trust thought it was okay have Oj Simpson still have
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his heisman, and the Heisman Trust thought it wasn't okay
for Reggie Bush to have his heisman. And the only
changes now they changed college football rules, so now we'll
give him back his Highchand that doesn't make any sense.
He never admitted to breaking rules at the time, which
it was obvious that they did. Did Steve Clarkson deserve
the punishment he received? No? No, But we act like
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Reggie Bush. And look, at the time when he played,
he was technically eligible. Then later he was deemed to
be ineligible because his stepdad was taking money from what
was the guy's name Lake, like Lawrence Lake or something
like that. It was a fake agent name with a
fake agent. And this is, by the way, what we've
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tried to take out of all of these sports, which
is the fake agent, the runner guy, Lloyd Lake. See,
how do I do? I did pretty well? Did it?
Did anybody else remember the Lake pool?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I'd pretty solid, pretty solid. So I remember all of this.
I lived. I am I'm not today's years old that
I learned that Reggie. But how it was was Reggie
Bush's stepdad was supposedly, you know, selling all this stuff
and taking money from Reggie Bush's likeness, and we acted
like Reggie Bush had no idea, Like, yeah, Reggie Bush
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knew the whole time. And their argument was the NCAA
rule was bad, but you weren't trying to change the
nca rules. You were going around them. So the takeaway is,
I don't know if a right was wrong or wrong
was righted. I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
You'll listen, You'll see everybody on Fox say this is
a great thing because they're all USC guys, right, and
Reggie's a good dude. They all even though Reggie he
didn't work on a big new kickoff anymore. Reggie is
a pretty good dude. Okay, so they will, and then
you'll see ESPN guys all because everybody is anti NCAA
even though this is the Heisman trust. But the reality
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to how people really view it is, are you kidding me?
USC was blatant cheaters. They've been blatant cheaters up until
this thing was legal. Always everybody knows it, and they
would always put the basketball team on probation, blatantly blaking
breaking rules and they didn't. Again, if your issue is
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with the rules, then by all means generate a following
like people have done, you know, talk to other schools
and get them along and vote to take down these rules.
But just breaking rules. Then when you account breaking the rules,
having banners taken down and acting like you're the victim,
stop it, stop it all this stuff like you go
(08:51):
back to oh wait, wait, we're gon we're gonna reissue
SMU legitimate football program status because we demolished it with
the death penalty. This is a lot like what we
talked about in UH with social media and influencers and
the super super extremist right or left crowd. There is
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never enough. That's what we're gonna have here. Reggie Bush
broke the rules. His punishment was not to lose any
of his championships. It didn't hurt his draft stock, it
didn't hurt his ability to make money outside of I guess.
Was he not in the Heisman house. Was he in
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the Heisman house? I don't remember. I don't remember specifically
he was in those ads because he had the Hysman
close so that money he'll be able to make back.
I guess. But what are we doing? There were rules
at the time that said you couldn't take money. They
took money, and the punishment was, hey, man, I get
back to your Hidschand like years after he went through
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the ceremony everything, even though everybody this whole thing that
was going on, everybody knew in real time, and not
one says he'd be like, you know, my bad, I knew.
I didn't think the rule was right, or my you know,
my stepdad bought me the car and I didn't know.
You know, I knew, but I didn't know. It was
just a thing. And you know, I listen, I apologize
and I'm glad we none of that. It's all been
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The NSA is wrong when they never went after the
NCAA rules. They simply did whatever the hell they wanted
to do. And we are supporting that, supporting that, I mean,
just so you know, like people, what happened to the
downfall of UNLV basketball. Do you guys remember UNLV basketball
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won a national championship, Then the next year they were
supposed to be on probation. They basically delayed it until
a year after Larry Johnson's Stacy Augmen and Anderson Hunt
Greg Anthony went on to the pros and then they
went on probation and Jerry Tarcanan resigned and then they
hired Raleigh Masmino. But again, if we're gonna are we
gonna go back in right those wrongs and let's hey
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change history. No, why because you broke rules?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
You know?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
So does this work? This is a in real life.
In real life, most interstates out in the middle of
nowhere seventy five miles an hour. So imagine if you
got a ticket ten years ago, back when it was
fifty five miles an hour, and you're like, hey, it's
seventy five now. It was fifty five then, but it
should have been seventy five then because there's nobody around,
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it's out and like, it doesn't work that way. No
place on earth does it work that way except in sports,
where we've made the NCAA, which, believe it or not,
is actually the schools themselves. Right, it's a weird thing.
There's no legislating body, there's no like senators that represent
there's actually the schools themselves. We make the NCAA into
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this absolutely evil. Yeah, anybody who gets over on the
NCAA to be And by the way, ENC had nothing
to do with this. It's the Heisman Trust, which is
a group of people that have this trophy, which isn't
really nearly as relevant anymore. They take the voting at
odd times. Sometimes they get right, sometimes they don't, and
usually the guy who gets the Heisman trophy is not
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the best pro prospect in Outside of that, they're super important.
They didn't have to take away his Heisman trophy. They
did because it brought them attention, and they didn't have
to give it back to him because he never admitted
to breaking the rules of the obviously, But and if
they had some balls, if they actually had standards, they
would have taken the thing from Oj Simpson, who in
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a criminal court was found not guilty, but in a
civil court killed two people in cold blood. But by
all means, give Reggie back his heisman and let Oj
be buried with his Oh you thought you get a
different take today, did you?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I thought, I really did not see this coming, And
I'm really glad you took this stance, and the speed
Liss analogy is appropriate. But let me give you another one.
Joe Biden has pardoned thousands of marijuana convictions. Now this
is an applicable example in an election year.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It's a go.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
These people knowingly and willingly violated rules and laws. And
that's to me what prison is. It's prisons are filled
with people whose character has been judged to violate laws.
So you're vacating convictions of people who chose to break
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the law. So all these people that are out, now,
these thousands of people that will likely vote for Joe Biden,
by the way, I think that they are likely to
do something again that breaks the law. We're talking about
the character of a person, not necessarily what they did
to get into prison.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Well, yes, I would say that again. And this is
a lot I like the marijuana analogy, okay, but there's
different sorts of pardons, right Like if you got caught
with a joint, you know, you got pulled over and
you had a joint burned out in your car, and
you had other convictions that it was your third strike,
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and you're like, really, what are we doing here? As
opposed to if you were was it Leon Lett who
was the former cowboy they got hold?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Oh is you have like eight hundred pounds or something?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yes, Nate Newton, Nate Newton, google the story real quick, right,
Like that's there's a there's different sorts of breaking the
law there, right, that's like one hundred dollars handshake, as
opposed to Reggie Bush was flossing in a brand new car,
and you know was it's just like the Johnny Manzel thing,
Like they're all they were all blatantly cheating and breaking rules.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Two hundred and thirteen pounds of marijuana leads Nate Newton.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
It's a lot of weed, two hundred and thirteen pounds.
So it's one of those like, yeah, well it's legal now,
it's still not legal to sell two hundred teen pounds
out of the back of your car, right, Uncle Sam
gotta get his. So yeah, I'm I'm I'm with you.
And I don't think Reggie is a terrible human being. Hey,
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I don't think he was doing anything different than fifty
to seventy five percent of the star players in college
football at the time, right, And that's that's the argument
for him, Like, hey, you know everybody else was speeding
and you got pulled over. You got pulled over. So
(15:40):
I understand that we feel like college sports is in
a different place. It is, And you know this is
the it's the Will Wade analogy. He has no Will Wade.
Will Wade's the head coach at McNee state and he
has a show cause he's in order to hire him,
you have to have an infractions meeting with the NCAA
because they were buying players at LSU. And what happened is,
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you know, now people are like, well, Wade's like a
sympathetic figure. Well, what he was doing at LSU is
legal now, yeah, but there was a lack of forthrightness
with everybody around him at LSU, and that carries over
regardless of what the rules are. It's like people who
sold weed. This is to your point, people who sold
weed illegally back in the day. They're not selling weed
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legally now. They're not somebody for we championing weed's rights.
It's not what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
They're selling molly now, or they're selling someone else, or
they're selling weed, but they're selling weed without you know,
without having to pay taxes on it. Again, still illegal
and you could still and should go to jail for it,
which is just like people who have seen this in
New York City where they loot clothing stores and then
on the street they sell the clothing at a discount
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price with no taxes. So yeah, we've we've reached crazy, dumb,
dumb world, and I don't think this is something to
be celebrated. I don't think it's a wrong that was righted.
I wouldn't have ever given back the Heisman Trophy when
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I if I had it. But don't make yourself out
to be a victim when at the time you were knowingly,
willfully breaking rules and you've never come clean and said it.
Just come out and go, hey, we were breaking rules
at the time. The rules are no longer the same.
So thank you the Heisman Trust forgive it to me.
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I apologize for any strife I caused anybody, but it's
like this, I did nothing wrong. The NCAA are bad
people when you clearly did something again at the time,
based upon the rules, was deemed to be wrong.
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S Doug Gotlim Show Fox Sports Radio. Thomas de mitchro
and Eric Eager joins us UH Sumer Sports podcast. Is
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think is the basis of course. If you know, Thomas's
former NFL executive in scout, Ericsson, analysts analytics expert and
a VP and partner over at Summer Sports, which is
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a sports analytics analytics company. H Thomas, I want to
play something for you. Okay, this is David Fleming. He's
a writer, and apparently he talked to a couple of
NFL scouts who aren't going to draft Caleb Williams, but
they had. They had this to say about the potential
of drafting Caleb Williams. What did the scout tell you
that you can report? I hated it. Hated it.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
He would scare the out of me if I was
working for a team. Raw motion is great, but Caleb's
thing that was ridiculous to me. That threw up major
red flags. You just lost a game in the middle
of your season, and it was like your third loss
in the Pac twelve, and you went hugging on mommy
and crying in Mommy's arms, and it just seems really
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freaking weak and nuts. And I will tell you he
scares this out of a lot of NFL teams too.
The book on him is he's just kind of a
weird kid. One GM told me it's like if Prince
playing quarterback. Look, I don't know him from Adam, I
do not know him, but to me that looked weak
as really fragile.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Tellas, what do you think of some of the things
that we've seen from Caleb Williams off the football field,
But I.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Don't know about Prince playing quarterback. I mean, this guy
is unbelievably special as a player. To your point, you
know that off the field, this is a big, big
deal when you're talking about picking a quarterback for years
and years to come, right and an organization that needs
to hit this exactly how they need to hit it right.
So these are concerns and we dig into it these
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kind of things as general managers and as scouts, and
we're marked up by our owners on that if you're
bringing in a guy who's going to be your quarterback
for years to come, you better make sure as clean
as possible that kid is. And there are questions out
there aside from his ability on the field, And I
think there are probably teams out there that are happy
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that they're not having to deal with that because the
Bears are going to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
On the field. What's your assessment of him.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
On the field. I think he is incredibly special. I
think his ability to move around the field, his ability
to make throws, his ability at all levels, his ability
to make plays, his ability to add lib these are
all top notch. He is a rare athlete as well
as Jaden Daniels, by the way, and I think he
is special. As long as you can get the other
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stuff air quotes in check, you could build off of
this guy and he can be a difference of course.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Okay, Jane Daniels, is he If you're Washington, that's who
you take.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I love Jaydon Daniels and I would love for my
old buddy Dan Quinn to take Jaydan Daniels.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
What do you like about him?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Jaydan Daniels is another rare athlete. This guy obviously, what
I love watching is seeing his you know, his incremental
increases and ability and as as he was building this
year up to a spot where he was very very special.
When I hear people say that a concern that this
year was his biggest year, I'm thinking, no, every year
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we want him to get better, and I think that
he's done that and it's very special. Top notch kid,
top notch athlete again, ability to make plays everywhere, makes
the big throws. As we know, he's accurate and he's
a very solid person that people aren't worried about some
of the other stuff off the field.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
How does he fit?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
You? Know?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
You have you bring in an offensive coordinator who who
plays a specific style? How much how much does that
play into who you draft? When you sign Cliff Kingsbury
who's been a quarterback in the league, been offensive coordinator,
obviously been a successfu White coach even in the NFL,
how does that affect who you draft?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Well? I think it's a really important thing. It's a
really important thing that the head coach and the coordinator
and the GM are literally talking the same language, right, Doug.
Because you get someone in there where it we're a
head coach and a GM has a certain vision of
that quarterback and your coordinator isn't in line, that becomes complicated.
My point is, yes, it does depend on the scheme
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and the approach with the coordinator, but you better also
have a legitimate quarterback coach that can work along lines
with your coordinator. That is a big, big deal. There
has been too many times where coordinators have come in
with an idea of what they want, and then it
causes an issue between the head coach and the coordinator,
which I don't think is going to be the case
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in a place of Washington.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Of course, Thomas A Bitchrovsark guest here on the Doug
Gottlieb Shil on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let me Eric,
let me ask you. Eric Eager also joining us. Of course,
he's the he's the analytics guy. He's the analytics guy.
What analytics tell us about these two quarterbacks and the
likelihood of success?
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Well, I think that there's a pretty big variable for
Jaden Daniels that is troublesome in the in the fact
that when he's pressured, he takes a lot of sacks.
Two years ago at elis to thirty percent of the
times he was pressured he was sacked. Last year was
a little bit better at twenty percent, which is right
around where j Drake May and Caleb Williams were. Michael
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Pennox Bonix under ten percent in that metric, and that's
something that is carried with players like Patrick Mahomes is
pressured to sack ratio is about one tenth of one
percent different in the pros at Kansas City than it
was at Tech Tech. So that's one where it gets
a little bit. He's going to have the highest mark
of any first round quarterback that's been taken since people
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have been charting the statistic. And so if I'm Washington,
I have to know that I don't not draft him
because of this, but I have to think to myself, Okay,
what do my other picks look like? What do my
free agent signings look like? Because unlike when Chicago took
Justin Field as a player who had very similar statistics,
great accuracy, great production, but a lot of sacks taken,
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Chicago didn't build that offensive line around him until it
was too late and his development was slow. Is Washington
who's not all that well in doubt from a roster standpoint,
especially on the offensive line. How are they going to
work around Dan Daniel's weaknesses because his strengths are worth drafting.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I don't know if Washington's going to take that they're
not that well in doubt. Granted you're talking about their offense,
but you know that strikes it as really really personal. Eric,
I don't know, Thomas, if you're allowing this I'm kidding
Stug Gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. Thomas, My
question is about Brock Bowers. I think best you know,
like look Jaden Dale's I know he won the Heisman Trophy.
Brock Bowers probably best player in the SEC. Like He's
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a dynamic player at a position which has has long
but definitely recently argued, Hey, we're just as important, if
not more so, than some wide receivers. Where are you
on Brock Bowers and how high you're willing to go
to draft a tight end?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
So back in the day, we would only draft tight
ends in the second and third round. Great value. We
realize how important tight ends are to the new quarterback
or to an evolving quarterback high percentage shot. We saw
what Bill Belichick did in New England over those years
for us, for Matt Ryan. Back in the day, it
was bringing in Tony Gonzalez. You see the special ones
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out there. This guy, Brock Bauers, to me, is a
once in a decade type of player. No question that
Pits in Atlanta is a top notch athlete. But I
believe that a guy like Rock Bowers brings more of
the full package to the table. I would not be
surprised if someone at nine, ten, eleven, twelve would pick
Rock Powers and be happy and do the raise of
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the roof situation after the pick and not look back,
because this guy can be the guy that makes a
difference for that young and evolving quarterback.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Eric analytics wise, what's the value of a star tight
end as opposed to like a star wide receiver like
a Marvin Harrison junior.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
Yeah, from a value standpoint, the top end wide receivers.
I mean, we just saw I'm on ros Saint Brown
sign a thirty million dollars apy contract. The top of
the market for tight ends is right around seventeen million.
So that's really the argument against taking a tight end
is if he is for TV, he comes in and
produces as one of the best players in football, it's
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still thirteen million less on the marketplace than a wide
receiver meeting. What's the cost of failure? If I fail
at wide receiver in the draft, I have to go
trade a draft pick and a big contract for a
J Brown or Marquis Brown or something like that this
time of year, Whereas if I fail at tight end,
I can just go in to the free agency market
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and sign you know Thomas's old draft pick Austin Hooper
for ten million bucks, and he'll he'll generally speak and
get more of the way to where brock Bauers is. Then,
say a Christian Kirk at twenty million dollars in free
agency will get towards Jamar Chase or get towards a
player like that. So to me, that's the argument against.
And they also just developed really slowly. David Njoku is
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the only tight end in the last you know, ten
years or so to sign a second contract among first
round tight ends with the team that that drafted him.
Oftentimes you're drafting another team's star tight end when you
take them in round one.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Mark Andrews is less than ten Mark Andrews is how
many years Mark Andrew's been doing it. That's the only
other name I can think of it.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Well, yeah, I mean the anecdote there is funny is
Hayden Hurst was the guy drafted ahead of Mark Andrews,
and so even the Ravens, who's drafted a great misevaluated.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
No, they they dropped ahead of Lamar Jackson too right,
and then they traded Hayden Hurst, who's by the way
back with this old coach and with the Chargers. Now
is that's gonna be an interesting, interesting fit. Uh? Men,
I can't wait to watch the draft now that I'm
loaded up. If you like what you're hearing and feel
more educated, I'll just encourage you straight up. Download their podcast.
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It's awesome. Heading over to Sumer Sports The Sumer Sports Podcast.
Tomas to Mitchrof Eric eager men, enjoy the draft. Thanks
for joining us.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Thank you, Doug.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
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of you guys cologne guys?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
No? I am not. Yes, I am.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Sam's a cologne guy.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
But not at work.
Speaker 8 (29:09):
I don't smell you, okay, thank you for that. Uh
sometimes I wear it to work and it just depends
what is your Do you have one colonne or many coloonnes.
I usually only wear a Colonne I get as a gift.
This one is uh, man, it's like a do.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
You have many coloonnes or one to one?
Speaker 8 (29:27):
I have one, and it's uh it's it's lady tested
in terms of the preference.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
So I know it is sex panther.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
That's what I was going to say. The time it works.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Sixty sixty percent of the time. It works of the time.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
I believe sex panther makes people ill. This one doesn't
so much.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
It comes with real panther. Yes, I think.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I think it's called Jimmy chang man Ice. Monthy. Do
you approve of Jimmy Chang man Ice?
Speaker 7 (29:53):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Okay, no, So so here's the question, here's a question.
How many sprays? Oh so so when you're hold on,
when you when you have a son who's fifteen, okay,
they all and all of his buddies are right, Jimmy
Chu man I, Jimmy Chow.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
That was very important.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I don't want people to treat that.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I'm glad that you interrupted. Jim already moved on. But
that's fine.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
We're talking colone still, we're good. We got the Jimmy
Chow got good. Okay. So MONSI year, do you think
two sprays?
Speaker 7 (30:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I do two sprays and I think for everybody it's
two sprays.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Well, you're uh diminutive, a little vertically challenged, so I
don't know if it's a size of person. I'm actually
a one spray, right, I've been taught right in the
middle of your like solar plex solar plexes, sure, right,
and that like bunnels everything all your body. Whatever I do.
One spray of mine. Do you walk into it?
Speaker 3 (30:47):
You know?
Speaker 1 (30:47):
That's what's the light? Yeah, the really light thing. Like no,
but uh, there there are times when that fits. But
would you you got you start to get to multiple
like when you can smell it yourself, it's problem too much.
And like my son is like, yeah, that one I
used three, that one he used four, like four.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
The teenage boys aren't bad at this bad because they
will just code it.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
It's way too much.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
It's better than smelling bad, yes, sort of yet.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Smelling bad, but you're talking about long extrame.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
They're both distructing. They're both direct.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Bo is the worst is the worst. It's the worst
when you got bo okay, and especially when you get
like young boy bo where they all kind of smell
like grass and then they try to overcompensate that and
then when they all have athletes have gas to eating
high protein diets or whatever, you're like, geez, what the
hell you guys all stink? So I agree, but most
kids that use cologne are not stinky kids, so it's
(31:45):
not Actually it's what's better nothing and being clean or
you know, really it's putting on one spray or maybe
two or one and then walking into one, but you
get to three or four sprays and like, dude, I
can smell you come before you get out of the car.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, what's worse is doing what the in France and
instead of bathing, Yes, they just used cologne, so it's.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Ago cologne showers. Yeah. I don't know if they do
that so much anymore. I don't think they did.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Sam know that. Why would Sam have?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Because what was the last time you were in Europe?
Jase too?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
No, No, I went to I went to Wimbledon once.
I was there for four How long ago? About eight
years ago?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Okay, Sam, how long since you've been in foreign country?
I was in London last May, so about eleven months ago.
I do know why though.
Speaker 8 (32:35):
The French kind of pioneered cologne, but that's for maybe
the podcast actually saw watched like a documentary, and it
was fascinating.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
So Jason wants to do you have it? Do you
have an ability to tell it in a very concise fashion?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Never, he never does.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
What treaty Okay, Treaty of Versailles was at four or
five hundred years ago. Sure.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Uh, these people they did not want to bathe. So
they thought bathing was bad for you, just like a
lot of people did during medieval times or whenever, hundreds
of years ago. So they just coded themselves in cologne
and perfume, and their body odor was still quite overwhelming,
and it was just a combination of two bad things.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
See that was that was fairly concise. It took you
less than thirty seconds to tell. Here you go use
that as a guide to the future. On Fox, I
gotta make sure I get the right name out. He's
still going, It's going gone.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
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Speaker 1 (33:34):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show. It's Fox Sports Radio. I hope
you're doing great. Since we're playing Prince, what's your favorite
Prince song? I'm asking you j Stewke, I'm sorry, he's
not painting, So I just want.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
To say, say aim. My answer to that question is
the entire Purple Rain album. There's not one miss on there. Butt.
I will say the Beautiful Ones on Purple Rain is
my favorite print song.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
The Beautiful Ones on Purple Rain.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Okay, And you're like, which one's the Beautiful Ones and
then start to play it in your car right now
You're like, oh yeah, that song kicks.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Ass MONSI do you have a favorite Prince song? I
like Purple Rains, Purple Rain, Purple Rain. Let's get to
Montblanas in the game.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
This is game tie.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, I'm not even gonna try.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I feel like I could not do that accent.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
What are you Australian?
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Mate?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
No, that's British. Yeah, name on the barbie.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Okay, what are we playing?
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Sam?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
For better accents?
Speaker 5 (34:45):
For worse, better or worse?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, let's start worse NFL draft tomorrow, So for better
or worse?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Drake May or JJ McCarthy. Humm, I think JJ McCarthy's
better quarterback? Really?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
All right?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Why is there a reason?
Speaker 7 (35:09):
Is?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
What do you see? I just I and again I
think I'm sure it's incredibly unfair, incredibly unfair because it's
a team sport. But I was also told that North
Carolina had a really good team. And I don't know,
I didn't watch him enough to go, but I watched
him plenty, and I just always like, yeah, I don't
(35:32):
really get it. I don't really get it right. Usually
the number two pick, Now, that's what one of the
things I don't like by J. J. McCarthy is the
number two pick, you know, top five pick. Like it
looks different Yeah, for sure, Like it looked differently for sure.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Well, as I just mentioned, tomorrow is the NFL Draft,
So for better or worse, the number one overall pick
in the NFL draft or the NBA draft.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
This here or in.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
In general, and I'm trying to think of like all
the number one picks in the NBA that were terrible
that came out.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
To me is a more exact science, I'll say basketball, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah, I think so too. All Right, let's uh do
this for better or worse? Angel Hernandez or Hunter Wendelstutt.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
That's question. It is a great question, great question. Uh
what's it for? Who who makes the better calls or
the worst calls?
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Here?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
After what Hunter Wendelstutt just did with Aaron Boone.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
He jumped up there. Yeah, I'll dot because he looked
it looked really bad.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
It was so bad.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I know, Angel and Nanda is just known as the
like is the worst. Yeah, he's the worst. But I
agree he jumped up there.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Definitely okay for better or worse.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Angels are a's mmmm, Angels are as. Angels are better.
Angels are better. You were at the game last night,
weren't you, dug Yeah, by the way, you know, I
was texting with Jackson Halliday's mom, Leslie, and obviously Matt
flex I said, uh, listen, you get some hits tonight,
(37:16):
I'm open to traveling on the road. Sure enough, he
got a hit. He had a streamer back right back
at Matt Moore that Matt Moore somehow got a glove
on or got his hand on. That's Matt More give
a home run in the last one, but it was
he was thrown out at first, so it's only one
of four. But that's just his second hit, and made
a couple of great plays at second base. Like I
got him turned around, folks, I'm thinking multi multi hit
(37:36):
day to day.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
You got him so turned around that he's not in
the lineup for the game that starts in ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
It's a lefty, lefty pitching. They keep him away from lefties.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
This is game time. On the Doug Gottlieb Show, I hadn't.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Turned around, but you didn't tell anybody. That's the whole thing.
He didn't say, Hey, Skip, I got it all figured out.
We got all figured out for the draft. That's next
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that Reggie Bush is apparently going to get his Heisman back,
and the Heisman Trust is touting the changes in college football,
massive changed to in college football are the reason why
(02:58):
we're giving Reggie back his Heisman. Now, look, I could
point out that it's comic. It's a comically bad look
for Oj Simpson to have died still having his Heisman
trophy and Reggie Bush being very much alive without his
Heisman trophy. But you want to know what the truth is,
the truth is, we've all been snookered, we've been stuckerd Look,
(03:23):
Reggie Bush should have won the Heisman, did win the Heisman. Right,
we were all there, we all lived to see it.
And for people who want to go back and go like, hey,
Vince Young should have won it because he outplayed Reggie
Bush in the Rose Bowl. Again, that's a flawed of
the Heisman Trophy voting because on the last game of
the regular season that year, Texas played TECHS A and
(03:45):
M and Vince Young played poorly, and then on the
same broadcast channel, UCLA played USC and Reggie Bush was
so far and away the best player on the field,
with you know, Lindell White and a whole bunch of
other talented Trojans, it was an obvious selection. Okay, but
what are we doing. We're giving it back his Heisman
(04:09):
Trophy when he never admitted to doing anything wrong. Look,
I would to give it up my Heyesman Trophy to
begin with. But once you gave it up, you're admitting
guilt on some Levelay, but without All you had to
say was he has never ever come clean about how
(04:31):
it all worked, how it all went out. And just
because it's legal now an nil, does that mean we
give back all the banners, we give back all the seasons,
we give back money that coaches and universities lost because
they were cheating their No, the rules were pretty apparent.
And I'm saying this because I defended Reggie Bush even
throughout the time, like, wow, what his stepdad is doing.
(04:54):
He didn't know, And what they proved was like he
knew he was getting paid because this is the way
it used to work. Way it used to work was
the top players would get taken care of, and the
teams that were over the top and how they took
care of guys were the ones that everybody said, there're
a bunch of cheaters. The difference now is everybody gets something,
(05:18):
even guys that aren't terribly deserving of it. All right,
it's it's the opposite of nil. It actually, Reggie Bush,
the nil that he would have gotten in the old
system would have been you win the Heisman Trophy and
all of the fruits of your labor. Go with it, right,
you got the Heisman house ads, But I'm supposed to
(05:40):
sit here and go like yeah, NCAA, yeah, sticking to him. Yeah,
Like the NCAA had nothing to do with this decision.
They actually don't have purview into the world of the
Heisman Trophy, that is, the Heisman Trust and the Heisman
Trust thought it was okay have Oj Simpson still have
(06:01):
his heisman, and the Heisman Trust thought it wasn't okay
for Reggie Bush to have his heisman. And the only
changes now they changed college football rules, so now we'll
give him back his Highchand that doesn't make any sense.
He never admitted to breaking rules at the time, which
it was obvious that they did. Did Steve Clarkson deserve
the punishment he received? No? No, But we act like
(06:28):
Reggie Bush. And look, at the time when he played,
he was technically eligible. Then later he was deemed to
be ineligible because his stepdad was taking money from what
was the guy's name Lake, like Lawrence Lake or something
like that. It was a fake agent name with a
fake agent. And this is, by the way, what we've
(06:49):
tried to take out of all of these sports, which
is the fake agent, the runner guy, Lloyd Lake. See,
how do I do? I did pretty well? Did it?
Did anybody else remember the Lake pool?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I'd pretty solid, pretty solid. So I remember all of this.
I lived. I am I'm not today's years old that
I learned that Reggie. But how it was was Reggie
Bush's stepdad was supposedly, you know, selling all this stuff
and taking money from Reggie Bush's likeness, and we acted
like Reggie Bush had no idea, Like, yeah, Reggie Bush
(07:21):
knew the whole time. And their argument was the NCAA
rule was bad, but you weren't trying to change the
nca rules. You were going around them. So the takeaway is,
I don't know if a right was wrong or wrong
was righted. I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
You'll listen, You'll see everybody on Fox say this is
a great thing because they're all USC guys, right, and
Reggie's a good dude. They all even though Reggie he
didn't work on a big new kickoff anymore. Reggie is
a pretty good dude. Okay, so they will, and then
you'll see ESPN guys all because everybody is anti NCAA
even though this is the Heisman trust. But the reality
(08:08):
to how people really view it is, are you kidding me?
USC was blatant cheaters. They've been blatant cheaters up until
this thing was legal. Always everybody knows it, and they
would always put the basketball team on probation, blatantly blaking
breaking rules and they didn't. Again, if your issue is
(08:29):
with the rules, then by all means generate a following
like people have done, you know, talk to other schools
and get them along and vote to take down these rules.
But just breaking rules. Then when you account breaking the rules,
having banners taken down and acting like you're the victim,
stop it, stop it all this stuff like you go
(08:51):
back to oh wait, wait, we're gon we're gonna reissue
SMU legitimate football program status because we demolished it with
the death penalty. This is a lot like what we
talked about in UH with social media and influencers and
the super super extremist right or left crowd. There is
(09:14):
never enough. That's what we're gonna have here. Reggie Bush
broke the rules. His punishment was not to lose any
of his championships. It didn't hurt his draft stock, it
didn't hurt his ability to make money outside of I guess.
Was he not in the Heisman house. Was he in
(09:35):
the Heisman house? I don't remember. I don't remember specifically
he was in those ads because he had the Hysman
close so that money he'll be able to make back.
I guess. But what are we doing? There were rules
at the time that said you couldn't take money. They
took money, and the punishment was, hey, man, I get
back to your Hidschand like years after he went through
(09:56):
the ceremony everything, even though everybody this whole thing that
was going on, everybody knew in real time, and not
one says he'd be like, you know, my bad, I knew.
I didn't think the rule was right, or my you know,
my stepdad bought me the car and I didn't know.
You know, I knew, but I didn't know. It was
just a thing. And you know, I listen, I apologize
and I'm glad we none of that. It's all been
(10:17):
The NSA is wrong when they never went after the
NCAA rules. They simply did whatever the hell they wanted
to do. And we are supporting that, supporting that, I mean,
just so you know, like people, what happened to the
downfall of UNLV basketball. Do you guys remember UNLV basketball
(10:41):
won a national championship, Then the next year they were
supposed to be on probation. They basically delayed it until
a year after Larry Johnson's Stacy Augmen and Anderson Hunt
Greg Anthony went on to the pros and then they
went on probation and Jerry Tarcanan resigned and then they
hired Raleigh Masmino. But again, if we're gonna are we
gonna go back in right those wrongs and let's hey
(11:03):
change history. No, why because you broke rules?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
You know?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
So does this work? This is a in real life.
In real life, most interstates out in the middle of
nowhere seventy five miles an hour. So imagine if you
got a ticket ten years ago, back when it was
fifty five miles an hour, and you're like, hey, it's
seventy five now. It was fifty five then, but it
should have been seventy five then because there's nobody around,
(11:31):
it's out and like, it doesn't work that way. No
place on earth does it work that way except in sports,
where we've made the NCAA, which, believe it or not,
is actually the schools themselves. Right, it's a weird thing.
There's no legislating body, there's no like senators that represent
there's actually the schools themselves. We make the NCAA into
(11:53):
this absolutely evil. Yeah, anybody who gets over on the
NCAA to be And by the way, ENC had nothing
to do with this. It's the Heisman Trust, which is
a group of people that have this trophy, which isn't
really nearly as relevant anymore. They take the voting at
odd times. Sometimes they get right, sometimes they don't, and
usually the guy who gets the Heisman trophy is not
(12:14):
the best pro prospect in Outside of that, they're super important.
They didn't have to take away his Heisman trophy. They
did because it brought them attention, and they didn't have
to give it back to him because he never admitted
to breaking the rules of the obviously, But and if
they had some balls, if they actually had standards, they
would have taken the thing from Oj Simpson, who in
(12:37):
a criminal court was found not guilty, but in a
civil court killed two people in cold blood. But by
all means, give Reggie back his heisman and let Oj
be buried with his Oh you thought you get a
different take today, did you?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I thought, I really did not see this coming, And
I'm really glad you took this stance, and the speed
Liss analogy is appropriate. But let me give you another one.
Joe Biden has pardoned thousands of marijuana convictions. Now this
is an applicable example in an election year.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It's a go.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
These people knowingly and willingly violated rules and laws. And
that's to me what prison is. It's prisons are filled
with people whose character has been judged to violate laws.
So you're vacating convictions of people who chose to break
(13:35):
the law. So all these people that are out, now,
these thousands of people that will likely vote for Joe Biden,
by the way, I think that they are likely to
do something again that breaks the law. We're talking about
the character of a person, not necessarily what they did
to get into prison.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Well, yes, I would say that again. And this is
a lot I like the marijuana analogy, okay, but there's
different sorts of pardons, right Like if you got caught
with a joint, you know, you got pulled over and
you had a joint burned out in your car, and
you had other convictions that it was your third strike,
(14:14):
and you're like, really, what are we doing here? As
opposed to if you were was it Leon Lett who
was the former cowboy they got hold?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Oh is you have like eight hundred pounds or something?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yes, Nate Newton, Nate Newton, google the story real quick, right,
Like that's there's a there's different sorts of breaking the
law there, right, that's like one hundred dollars handshake, as
opposed to Reggie Bush was flossing in a brand new car,
and you know was it's just like the Johnny Manzel thing,
Like they're all they were all blatantly cheating and breaking rules.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Two hundred and thirteen pounds of marijuana leads Nate Newton.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
It's a lot of weed, two hundred and thirteen pounds.
So it's one of those like, yeah, well it's legal now,
it's still not legal to sell two hundred teen pounds
out of the back of your car, right, Uncle Sam
gotta get his. So yeah, I'm I'm I'm with you.
And I don't think Reggie is a terrible human being. Hey,
(15:15):
I don't think he was doing anything different than fifty
to seventy five percent of the star players in college
football at the time, right, And that's that's the argument
for him, Like, hey, you know everybody else was speeding
and you got pulled over. You got pulled over. So
(15:40):
I understand that we feel like college sports is in
a different place. It is, And you know this is
the it's the Will Wade analogy. He has no Will Wade.
Will Wade's the head coach at McNee state and he
has a show cause he's in order to hire him,
you have to have an infractions meeting with the NCAA
because they were buying players at LSU. And what happened is,
(16:02):
you know, now people are like, well, Wade's like a
sympathetic figure. Well, what he was doing at LSU is
legal now, yeah, but there was a lack of forthrightness
with everybody around him at LSU, and that carries over
regardless of what the rules are. It's like people who
sold weed. This is to your point, people who sold
weed illegally back in the day. They're not selling weed
(16:24):
legally now. They're not somebody for we championing weed's rights.
It's not what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
They're selling molly now, or they're selling someone else, or
they're selling weed, but they're selling weed without you know,
without having to pay taxes on it. Again, still illegal
and you could still and should go to jail for it,
which is just like people who have seen this in
New York City where they loot clothing stores and then
on the street they sell the clothing at a discount
(16:56):
price with no taxes. So yeah, we've we've reached crazy, dumb,
dumb world, and I don't think this is something to
be celebrated. I don't think it's a wrong that was righted.
I wouldn't have ever given back the Heisman Trophy when
(17:17):
I if I had it. But don't make yourself out
to be a victim when at the time you were knowingly,
willfully breaking rules and you've never come clean and said it.
Just come out and go, hey, we were breaking rules
at the time. The rules are no longer the same.
So thank you the Heisman Trust forgive it to me.
(17:38):
I apologize for any strife I caused anybody, but it's
like this, I did nothing wrong. The NCAA are bad
people when you clearly did something again at the time,
based upon the rules, was deemed to be wrong.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
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Speaker 1 (18:03):
S Doug Gotlim Show Fox Sports Radio. Thomas de mitchro
and Eric Eager joins us UH Sumer Sports podcast. Is
UH is where you can hear them on a more
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think is the basis of course. If you know, Thomas's
former NFL executive in scout, Ericsson, analysts analytics expert and
a VP and partner over at Summer Sports, which is
(18:25):
a sports analytics analytics company. H Thomas, I want to
play something for you. Okay, this is David Fleming. He's
a writer, and apparently he talked to a couple of
NFL scouts who aren't going to draft Caleb Williams, but
they had. They had this to say about the potential
of drafting Caleb Williams. What did the scout tell you
that you can report? I hated it. Hated it.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
He would scare the out of me if I was
working for a team. Raw motion is great, but Caleb's
thing that was ridiculous to me. That threw up major
red flags. You just lost a game in the middle
of your season, and it was like your third loss
in the Pac twelve, and you went hugging on mommy
and crying in Mommy's arms, and it just seems really
(19:07):
freaking weak and nuts. And I will tell you he
scares this out of a lot of NFL teams too.
The book on him is he's just kind of a
weird kid. One GM told me it's like if Prince
playing quarterback. Look, I don't know him from Adam, I
do not know him, but to me that looked weak
as really fragile.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Tellas, what do you think of some of the things
that we've seen from Caleb Williams off the football field,
But I.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Don't know about Prince playing quarterback. I mean, this guy
is unbelievably special as a player. To your point, you
know that off the field, this is a big, big
deal when you're talking about picking a quarterback for years
and years to come, right and an organization that needs
to hit this exactly how they need to hit it right.
So these are concerns and we dig into it these
(20:00):
kind of things as general managers and as scouts, and
we're marked up by our owners on that if you're
bringing in a guy who's going to be your quarterback
for years to come, you better make sure as clean
as possible that kid is. And there are questions out
there aside from his ability on the field, And I
think there are probably teams out there that are happy
(20:23):
that they're not having to deal with that because the
Bears are going to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
On the field. What's your assessment of him.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
On the field. I think he is incredibly special. I
think his ability to move around the field, his ability
to make throws, his ability at all levels, his ability
to make plays, his ability to add lib these are
all top notch. He is a rare athlete as well
as Jaden Daniels, by the way, and I think he
is special. As long as you can get the other
(20:54):
stuff air quotes in check, you could build off of
this guy and he can be a difference of course.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Okay, Jane Daniels, is he If you're Washington, that's who
you take.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I love Jaydon Daniels and I would love for my
old buddy Dan Quinn to take Jaydan Daniels.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
What do you like about him?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Jaydan Daniels is another rare athlete. This guy obviously, what
I love watching is seeing his you know, his incremental
increases and ability and as as he was building this
year up to a spot where he was very very special.
When I hear people say that a concern that this
year was his biggest year, I'm thinking, no, every year
(21:33):
we want him to get better, and I think that
he's done that and it's very special. Top notch kid,
top notch athlete again, ability to make plays everywhere, makes
the big throws. As we know, he's accurate and he's
a very solid person that people aren't worried about some
of the other stuff off the field.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
How does he fit?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
You? Know?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
You have you bring in an offensive coordinator who who
plays a specific style? How much how much does that
play into who you draft? When you sign Cliff Kingsbury
who's been a quarterback in the league, been offensive coordinator,
obviously been a successfu White coach even in the NFL,
how does that affect who you draft?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Well? I think it's a really important thing. It's a
really important thing that the head coach and the coordinator
and the GM are literally talking the same language, right, Doug.
Because you get someone in there where it we're a
head coach and a GM has a certain vision of
that quarterback and your coordinator isn't in line, that becomes complicated.
My point is, yes, it does depend on the scheme
(22:42):
and the approach with the coordinator, but you better also
have a legitimate quarterback coach that can work along lines
with your coordinator. That is a big, big deal. There
has been too many times where coordinators have come in
with an idea of what they want, and then it
causes an issue between the head coach and the coordinator,
which I don't think is going to be the case
(23:03):
in a place of Washington.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Of course, Thomas A Bitchrovsark guest here on the Doug
Gottlieb Shil on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let me Eric,
let me ask you. Eric Eager also joining us. Of course,
he's the he's the analytics guy. He's the analytics guy.
What analytics tell us about these two quarterbacks and the
likelihood of success?
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Well, I think that there's a pretty big variable for
Jaden Daniels that is troublesome in the in the fact
that when he's pressured, he takes a lot of sacks.
Two years ago at elis to thirty percent of the
times he was pressured he was sacked. Last year was
a little bit better at twenty percent, which is right
around where j Drake May and Caleb Williams were. Michael
(23:47):
Pennox Bonix under ten percent in that metric, and that's
something that is carried with players like Patrick Mahomes is
pressured to sack ratio is about one tenth of one
percent different in the pros at Kansas City than it
was at Tech Tech. So that's one where it gets
a little bit. He's going to have the highest mark
of any first round quarterback that's been taken since people
(24:08):
have been charting the statistic. And so if I'm Washington,
I have to know that I don't not draft him
because of this, but I have to think to myself, Okay,
what do my other picks look like? What do my
free agent signings look like? Because unlike when Chicago took
Justin Field as a player who had very similar statistics,
great accuracy, great production, but a lot of sacks taken,
(24:30):
Chicago didn't build that offensive line around him until it
was too late and his development was slow. Is Washington
who's not all that well in doubt from a roster standpoint,
especially on the offensive line. How are they going to
work around Dan Daniel's weaknesses because his strengths are worth drafting.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I don't know if Washington's going to take that they're
not that well in doubt. Granted you're talking about their offense,
but you know that strikes it as really really personal. Eric,
I don't know, Thomas, if you're allowing this I'm kidding
Stug Gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. Thomas, My
question is about Brock Bowers. I think best you know,
like look Jaden Dale's I know he won the Heisman Trophy.
Brock Bowers probably best player in the SEC. Like He's
(25:10):
a dynamic player at a position which has has long
but definitely recently argued, Hey, we're just as important, if
not more so, than some wide receivers. Where are you
on Brock Bowers and how high you're willing to go
to draft a tight end?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
So back in the day, we would only draft tight
ends in the second and third round. Great value. We
realize how important tight ends are to the new quarterback
or to an evolving quarterback high percentage shot. We saw
what Bill Belichick did in New England over those years
for us, for Matt Ryan. Back in the day, it
was bringing in Tony Gonzalez. You see the special ones
(25:49):
out there. This guy, Brock Bauers, to me, is a
once in a decade type of player. No question that
Pits in Atlanta is a top notch athlete. But I
believe that a guy like Rock Bowers brings more of
the full package to the table. I would not be
surprised if someone at nine, ten, eleven, twelve would pick
Rock Powers and be happy and do the raise of
(26:12):
the roof situation after the pick and not look back,
because this guy can be the guy that makes a
difference for that young and evolving quarterback.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Eric analytics wise, what's the value of a star tight
end as opposed to like a star wide receiver like
a Marvin Harrison junior.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
Yeah, from a value standpoint, the top end wide receivers.
I mean, we just saw I'm on ros Saint Brown
sign a thirty million dollars apy contract. The top of
the market for tight ends is right around seventeen million.
So that's really the argument against taking a tight end
is if he is for TV, he comes in and
produces as one of the best players in football, it's
(26:50):
still thirteen million less on the marketplace than a wide
receiver meeting. What's the cost of failure? If I fail
at wide receiver in the draft, I have to go
trade a draft pick and a big contract for a
J Brown or Marquis Brown or something like that this
time of year, Whereas if I fail at tight end,
I can just go in to the free agency market
(27:12):
and sign you know Thomas's old draft pick Austin Hooper
for ten million bucks, and he'll he'll generally speak and
get more of the way to where brock Bauers is. Then,
say a Christian Kirk at twenty million dollars in free
agency will get towards Jamar Chase or get towards a
player like that. So to me, that's the argument against.
And they also just developed really slowly. David Njoku is
(27:36):
the only tight end in the last you know, ten
years or so to sign a second contract among first
round tight ends with the team that that drafted him.
Oftentimes you're drafting another team's star tight end when you
take them in round one.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Mark Andrews is less than ten Mark Andrews is how
many years Mark Andrew's been doing it. That's the only
other name I can think of it.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Well, yeah, I mean the anecdote there is funny is
Hayden Hurst was the guy drafted ahead of Mark Andrews,
and so even the Ravens, who's drafted a great misevaluated.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
No, they they dropped ahead of Lamar Jackson too right,
and then they traded Hayden Hurst, who's by the way
back with this old coach and with the Chargers. Now
is that's gonna be an interesting, interesting fit. Uh? Men,
I can't wait to watch the draft now that I'm
loaded up. If you like what you're hearing and feel
more educated, I'll just encourage you straight up. Download their podcast.
(28:27):
It's awesome. Heading over to Sumer Sports The Sumer Sports Podcast.
Tomas to Mitchrof Eric eager men, enjoy the draft. Thanks
for joining us.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Thank you, Doug.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
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dot Com. That's Safety Runs First dot Com. Are either
of you guys cologne guys?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
No? I am not. Yes, I am.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Sam's a cologne guy.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
But not at work.
Speaker 8 (29:09):
I don't smell you, okay, thank you for that. Uh
sometimes I wear it to work and it just depends
what is your Do you have one colonne or many coloonnes.
I usually only wear a Colonne I get as a gift.
This one is uh, man, it's like a do.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
You have many coloonnes or one to one?
Speaker 8 (29:27):
I have one, and it's uh it's it's lady tested
in terms of the preference.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
So I know it is sex panther.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
That's what I was going to say. The time it works.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Sixty sixty percent of the time. It works of the time.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
I believe sex panther makes people ill. This one doesn't
so much.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
It comes with real panther. Yes, I think.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I think it's called Jimmy chang man Ice. Monthy. Do
you approve of Jimmy Chang man Ice?
Speaker 7 (29:53):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Okay, no, So so here's the question, here's a question.
How many sprays? Oh so so when you're hold on,
when you when you have a son who's fifteen, okay,
they all and all of his buddies are right, Jimmy
Chu man I, Jimmy Chow.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
That was very important.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I don't want people to treat that.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I'm glad that you interrupted. Jim already moved on. But
that's fine.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
We're talking colone still, we're good. We got the Jimmy
Chow got good. Okay. So MONSI year, do you think
two sprays?
Speaker 7 (30:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I do two sprays and I think for everybody it's
two sprays.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Well, you're uh diminutive, a little vertically challenged, so I
don't know if it's a size of person. I'm actually
a one spray, right, I've been taught right in the
middle of your like solar plex solar plexes, sure, right,
and that like bunnels everything all your body. Whatever I do.
One spray of mine. Do you walk into it?
Speaker 3 (30:47):
You know?
Speaker 1 (30:47):
That's what's the light? Yeah, the really light thing. Like no,
but uh, there there are times when that fits. But
would you you got you start to get to multiple
like when you can smell it yourself, it's problem too much.
And like my son is like, yeah, that one I
used three, that one he used four, like four.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
The teenage boys aren't bad at this bad because they
will just code it.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
It's way too much.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
It's better than smelling bad, yes, sort of yet.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Smelling bad, but you're talking about long extrame.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
They're both distructing. They're both direct.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Bo is the worst is the worst. It's the worst
when you got bo okay, and especially when you get
like young boy bo where they all kind of smell
like grass and then they try to overcompensate that and
then when they all have athletes have gas to eating
high protein diets or whatever, you're like, geez, what the
hell you guys all stink? So I agree, but most
kids that use cologne are not stinky kids, so it's
(31:45):
not Actually it's what's better nothing and being clean or
you know, really it's putting on one spray or maybe
two or one and then walking into one, but you
get to three or four sprays and like, dude, I
can smell you come before you get out of the car.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, what's worse is doing what the in France and
instead of bathing, Yes, they just used cologne, so it's.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Ago cologne showers. Yeah. I don't know if they do
that so much anymore. I don't think they did.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Sam know that. Why would Sam have?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Because what was the last time you were in Europe?
Jase too?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
No, No, I went to I went to Wimbledon once.
I was there for four How long ago? About eight
years ago?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Okay, Sam, how long since you've been in foreign country?
I was in London last May, so about eleven months ago.
I do know why though.
Speaker 8 (32:35):
The French kind of pioneered cologne, but that's for maybe
the podcast actually saw watched like a documentary, and it
was fascinating.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
So Jason wants to do you have it? Do you
have an ability to tell it in a very concise fashion?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Never, he never does.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
What treaty Okay, Treaty of Versailles was at four or
five hundred years ago. Sure.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Uh, these people they did not want to bathe. So
they thought bathing was bad for you, just like a
lot of people did during medieval times or whenever, hundreds
of years ago. So they just coded themselves in cologne
and perfume, and their body odor was still quite overwhelming,
and it was just a combination of two bad things.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
See that was that was fairly concise. It took you
less than thirty seconds to tell. Here you go use
that as a guide to the future. On Fox, I
gotta make sure I get the right name out. He's
still going, It's going gone.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show. It's Fox Sports Radio. I hope
you're doing great. Since we're playing Prince, what's your favorite
Prince song? I'm asking you j Stewke, I'm sorry, he's
not painting, So I just want.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
To say, say aim. My answer to that question is
the entire Purple Rain album. There's not one miss on there. Butt.
I will say the Beautiful Ones on Purple Rain is
my favorite print song.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
The Beautiful Ones on Purple Rain.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Okay, And you're like, which one's the Beautiful Ones and
then start to play it in your car right now
You're like, oh yeah, that song kicks.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Ass MONSI do you have a favorite Prince song? I
like Purple Rains, Purple Rain, Purple Rain. Let's get to
Montblanas in the game.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
This is game tie.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, I'm not even gonna try.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I feel like I could not do that accent.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
What are you Australian?
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Mate?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
No, that's British. Yeah, name on the barbie.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Okay, what are we playing?
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Sam?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
For better accents?
Speaker 5 (34:45):
For worse, better or worse?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, let's start worse NFL draft tomorrow, So for better
or worse?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Drake May or JJ McCarthy. Humm, I think JJ McCarthy's
better quarterback? Really?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
All right?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Why is there a reason?
Speaker 7 (35:09):
Is?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
What do you see? I just I and again I
think I'm sure it's incredibly unfair, incredibly unfair because it's
a team sport. But I was also told that North
Carolina had a really good team. And I don't know,
I didn't watch him enough to go, but I watched
him plenty, and I just always like, yeah, I don't
(35:32):
really get it. I don't really get it right. Usually
the number two pick, Now, that's what one of the
things I don't like by J. J. McCarthy is the
number two pick, you know, top five pick. Like it
looks different Yeah, for sure, Like it looked differently for sure.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Well, as I just mentioned, tomorrow is the NFL Draft,
So for better or worse, the number one overall pick
in the NFL draft or the NBA draft.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
This here or in.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
In general, and I'm trying to think of like all
the number one picks in the NBA that were terrible
that came out.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
To me is a more exact science, I'll say basketball, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah, I think so too. All Right, let's uh do
this for better or worse? Angel Hernandez or Hunter Wendelstutt.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
That's question. It is a great question, great question. Uh
what's it for? Who who makes the better calls or
the worst calls?
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Here?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
After what Hunter Wendelstutt just did with Aaron Boone.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
He jumped up there. Yeah, I'll dot because he looked
it looked really bad.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
It was so bad.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I know, Angel and Nanda is just known as the
like is the worst. Yeah, he's the worst. But I
agree he jumped up there.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Definitely okay for better or worse.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Angels are a's mmmm, Angels are as. Angels are better.
Angels are better. You were at the game last night,
weren't you, dug Yeah, by the way, you know, I
was texting with Jackson Halliday's mom, Leslie, and obviously Matt
flex I said, uh, listen, you get some hits tonight,
(37:16):
I'm open to traveling on the road. Sure enough, he
got a hit. He had a streamer back right back
at Matt Moore that Matt Moore somehow got a glove
on or got his hand on. That's Matt More give
a home run in the last one, but it was
he was thrown out at first, so it's only one
of four. But that's just his second hit, and made
a couple of great plays at second base. Like I
got him turned around, folks, I'm thinking multi multi hit
(37:36):
day to day.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
You got him so turned around that he's not in
the lineup for the game that starts in ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
It's a lefty, lefty pitching. They keep him away from lefties.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
This is game time. On the Doug Gottlieb Show, I hadn't.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Turned around, but you didn't tell anybody. That's the whole thing.
He didn't say, Hey, Skip, I got it all figured out.
We got all figured out for the draft. That's next
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