April 25, 2024 • 35 mins
Doug breaks down the Heat's upset over the Celtics in game two of their series and explains what happened to Boston.Doug welcomes former Cardinals' GM and FSR NFL Draft Analyst Steve Keim to talk about what it is like to be a general manager going into the NFL draft and the major topics going into the NFL Draft. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a Thursday edition of "The Press".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
In m mm hmmmm.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So the draft is upon us tonight, right, and this
is going to They're all interesting ones. This one's going
to be super interesting just because there's so many quarterbacks
and people have all these opinions about quarterbacks. I think
it's interesting how Michael Pinnick specifically, and that's why am
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I forgetting the kid's name from the Michigan h JJ McCarthy,
how they've skyrocketed up boards because we saw them play
in the National Championship game. That's really what it comes
down to. And there's this this happens all the time.
There's the like, are they in the National Championship Game
because they have a great quarterback? Or do we think
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they're a great quarterback because they're in the National Championship game?
And that's a hard one. There was obviously much more
on Michael Pennix's plate than there was JJ McCarthy's plate.
But he also JJ McCarthy was learning a much more
advanced scheme and he had to sacrifice his ego to
hand the ball off more. That part's fascinating. I could
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be the only one, but I loved the Heats win
last night. Now what I didn't like about the Heats
win last night is, inevitably every fall, everybody falls back
on EP heat culture. They even have it on their jerseys.
It's like they have mastered the art of mind screwing
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you by thinking there's something special about their heat culture.
Because I didn't know heat culture had anything to do
with twenty three or forty three from three? Did you like?
I thought culture was about playing hard, playing together, doing
the right things, et cetera. And they won the game
because they shot the eyes out of the basketball and
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because the zones seemed to befuddle the Boston Celtics. And
if you want to say that their stick touitiveness, their
ability to believe even though in the first game they
were blown out, that's part of heat culture. I'll go
with that. I'll allow that your honor. All allow that
your honor. But the reality is, okay, the reality is
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that they won because they did have five guys to
play together there. But they're like the old guys that
showed up at the park and you had a bunch
of young, energetic dudes that if it's a one on
one game, you got no shot. But that's not how
basketball is played. And I think it's gonna be fascinating
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because what you saw last night, what you see from
Oklahoma City, frankly, you see it from the Denver Nuggets.
I get that Jokich dominates the ball, but he dominates
the ball and is a great facilitator as well, and
that ball does in fact move. Yes, they get to
a Yo Kich Jamal Murray pick and roll right, that's
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definitely their kind of go to play. But there's a
lot of other things that happened before that that set
up them to get in that position where they put
you in a bad spot. You got to pick your poison.
You're gonna go it guard Jamal Murray. Then if not,
he hits the roller. If you're not gonna go gard
Jamal Murray, he can go get a bucket. If you
can't do guard Jamal Murray, he's gonna find Yokicic if
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you step up to help on Yokic, he's gonna find
the open guy because he's a great passer. But man, I,
I mean, are you kidneyed with the guys they threw
out there last night? Let me read you the names.
Okay of who played for the Heat last night against
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the Boston Celtics, who had the best record in the
regular season, And we've told you before regular season literally
means nothing. Tyler Hero was the hero. He had twenty
four and fourteen. Bam had twenty one and ten, and like, look,
BAM's not a nobody. He played on Team USA. But
Kayla Martin, Haimi hawkez and Nikola Jokic Jovich Sorry, those
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were their other three starters. And off the bench, Heywood
high Smith hit three threes and Duncan Robinson. Though he
didn't shoot well, he hit two threes. And every time
Duncan Robinson shoots the ball, if you're the opposing team,
you hold your breath because you think it's going in.
Even Delon Wright, who was a lottery pick, bounced around
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the NBA and one reason was not a great shooter.
Even he came in and hit a three last night.
And then of course they break out Kevin Love. You're like, dude,
Kevin Love is still in the league.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
But man, you step out in the court with some
no name dudes. They just play hard and play together
and find the open man and shoot threes, and it's
like old dudes at the why. They're like, no, we
got this, We're gonna run this court. And then you're
sitting there after the game and the other the old
guys are still playing. You're not, and you can't figure
out why. Yes, football is the world's greatest team sport,
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and yes, individuals can carry an NBA team, but it
is a great team game. And when my five is
better than your five, even though none of my or
maybe one of my five is as good as your
five by themselves, that's what makes the sport a beautiful thing.
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And oh yeah, by the way, that's the essence of
the three point line. The two things that are equalizers
in sports, in the sport of basketball, the zone defense
and the three point line, right, because the three point
line allows you if you're not that big, you're not
that strong, you can't go in there, you're not that thought,
you can't scort s guy, there's still a place for
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you here if you can make a shot from twenty
five to twenty six feet out. And the zone defense,
though not the pure zones we see in college or
we'll see in Europe, they're still effective because again, in
of itself, you can't guard these guys. You can't guard
Jason Tatum one on one, but in a zone you can.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You can.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I thought it was an amazing thing, and I still
think the Celtics win the series. I still think the
Celtics overall talent is better. But in a one game
stereo And what is the what is the Princeton offense
famous for it? Yes, they have back door cuts, but
the reason the back doors are open is they used
the three point line and they played a lot of
zone And it's interesting, right that style is designed for
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inferior talent. It's one of the things I often said
when Jim Beheim was at Syracuse, like I actually think
though the zone worked for them in the NCAA tournament,
one of the reasons they didn't work in the regular
season was it's hard to set tempo when you're playing
a zone or to play fast. And if you have
better players, why would you play a zone and why
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would you play the way they played offensively? Right, Athletic
teams have tried to run Princeton before. It doesn't really work,
just like athletic teams for the most part have some
have tried to play zone and to very limited limited success.
If your athletic used that athleticism to your advantage, if
you're or not well, we got his zone defense, and
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we got other different ways, you know, double teaming, other
different ways in which we can help you. And the
other part of his own defense is the true weakness
of any zone is not necessarily the open shooting. It's
the inside, right, You're trying to hide the fact that
we can't stop you at the rim. And Boston doesn't
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really have anybody who scores at the rim, you know,
in terms of throwing it into the post. People ask
all that, like, why didn't people's zone Purdue. That's because
Zach Edy now he has one guy who's standing underneath
the hoop he steps into. He just lays the ball in.
It's too easy. It's actually easier to guard him in
man than it was in zone. And I know NBA
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zones are different, but the idea is still the same.
What Boston doesn't and can't really do is they can't
really post up and score inside against his zone other
than drives, and they don't have drivers. They have one
on one shooters. Let's go to uh, Dan, what do
you think in terms of the last night watching that game.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I'll just say this, Doug, because I was doing birthday stuff.
What I think was not surprising about this was that
the Heat won a game in this series. I thought
Boston would win. What was not surprising was that Miami
was victorious. What I thought how it would play out
would be Boston win when their first two at home,
the Heat maybe win game three, and then Boston ends
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up saying, all right, we're gonna put the clamps down
game four, and then we'll close it out in game five.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
It's no shock to me. That the Heat won a game.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Was it surprising that I was in Boston? Yeah, a
little bit. And then now if you're Boston and you've
got this thing that you talk about Heat culture on
your mind, it becomes a little bit more of an issue.
And then when you're starting to look at the benches
and do you want to match wits with Eric Spolstra
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because it got you in trouble in Game two, I
think that the Celtics, now if you're a or questioning
that a little bit more, this just opened everything up.
We had heard a lot of maybe Heat having the
opportunity to, you know, Boston didn't want to face Miami
because of the history and what was there. But truly
I felt Boston was going to be the better team
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and going to be the better team in the series.
But now what a Game two win in Boston does
for the Heat is it opens up all of these
cracks that you felt maybe could have been there, and
now it's just up to your star players. It's up
to Jason Tatum and it's up to Jalen Brown to
make sure that that doesn't happen in Miami. And that
was my takeaway from Again, I would have loved to
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have watched the game, but it just didn't happen last night.
As an overall sort of thing, that would be my
feel from the series.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Okay, Sam, what do you think.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
You shoot that hot from three? Yeah, you'll win, but
kind of an aberration.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I think that's most people's assessment, and I generally think
that way. And I think because Jimmy is very unlikely
to return, I just this is my takeaway from last night,
and it's my takeaway from the Dallas game. Was that
last night and the night before Dallas Clippers, I'm I'm
screwed up in my knights. That was Tuesday then, right,
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it's the I don't want to get in a game
semn with Miami, not just because the whole heat culture thing,
but because they got a shooter's chance. It's it's you
know what it's like, and the Dallas game it's the
same thing. It's like, uh, Luca, Okay, Luca gives you
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a chance to win any game. He's that good and
he's played in those situations right, and there's there's just
a like Luca can get a shot off. It feels
like against anybody. So I look at the Celtics, I
look at the Clippers as both don't play with fire.
Here you can lose a home game and go back
and win back home court advantage. I don't want to
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get into a game semn with the Miami Heat because
they were in the finals last year and they got
a shooters chance. And I don't want to get into
Game seven with the Dallas Mavericks because they have Luca
and they have Kyrie and you know what end of
those series. Dudes are tired. Sometimes just the star steps
up and makes place. So uh yeah, it's take on
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last night.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
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Speaker 1 (12:31):
And this I can dream about you. I can dream
about you. None of is this? Who is this? Who's
the actual singer? This is the instrumental version? Anybody?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yes? Is it Dan Hartman? Is that what it was?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
You don't know?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I don't know Hartman.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
It's Dan Hartman.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
This is just one of the songs that has your
name associated with it because you like it, So I'm
playing it for you.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I never I never heard it play as.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
This has never been played on our show. Ever, your
name is literally attached to this instrument. Maybe you're looking
at the gut leaf folder.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I'm not calling you a liar mill I'm saying we
can these things can both be true. I've done this show.
I had started ESPN. My own show was oh five,
I think, or maybe six six. I started at four o'clock.
So it's been it's been a minute. It's been eighteen
years in the afternoon time slot. This is the first
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time I've heard any instrumental played.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Yeah, we have this conversation recently. Like you, you brought
a bunch of bumps with you to the show, and
you know, and you have your preferences, and then Ramos
mixed it in over the years. So I said to Sam,
I said, why don't we mix in some of those
old bumps that that Doug brought?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
You know, thought I thought that's what it was, But
I think the wrong folder. No, I think Ramos maybe
liked that song a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
That sounds like it. That sounds and he it's a
little bit older than me. What's his name, Dan?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
What Hartman?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Does he have any other songs?
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Doesn't he host a show on weekends?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Here Loves la la dan.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Oh that Dan Hartman. I had no idea I was.
I was today years old.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I learned our Steve Hartman more popular than the CBS
is Steve Hartman, M CBS Sunday Morning, CBS Sunday Morning.
Steve Hartman never watched it?
Speaker 7 (14:36):
What is it? Is it?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Does he do the Sunday Morning show?
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Now he's the East Coast Steve Hartman.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
No, he's he's the guy who does like the great
stories like yeah, you know, we were here in western
Nebraska where time seems to stand still?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Can you do it again?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Can you do it?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Do you have any music for that?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
But actually, here's the deal.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
You don't need music for it, because that's how CBS
Sunday Morning goes. But not for Zachariah Wilson. That's so good,
it's good, gets into the whole deal.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, So Sunday Morning starts out with CBS Sunday Morning.
It ends up with like twenty twenty and uh, which
is always the husband or wife did it right? The
ex wife, the husband wife did it almost always poisoned right?
And I mean, and who's that guy? What's that guy's name?
He's got the great kind of creepy sort of voice.
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Really good.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Jay Moore used to do that voice.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
That was Keith Morrison of Dateline.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Keith Morrison, murder God, can you give me the can
you give me lit?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Keith Morrison? No, but I could do it. I think
it was Josh Mankowitz will talk like this. So the
murder weapon was in the bathroom.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
Possibly murderer, do you know, like I love Jay Moore
does have a kind of a lugubrious sound, and it's
like he was involved in something he probably oughtn't to
have done. Possibly murder.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
That's really good, very very Actually had some Keith Morrison
in the system. Ye, yeah about that?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
There you go?
Speaker 7 (16:06):
There you go?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
That was that on the was that the on the
Gottli pile?
Speaker 6 (16:09):
To keep that dropping and then lose the Dan hartman
uh instrumental?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Is Jade and Daniels going to the commanders? That's I
think the big question, right what happens at number two?
Here's Jade Daniels talk about the possibility go in the
commanders after his much reported visit with three other dudes
before the draft.
Speaker 9 (16:30):
It would be fun be able to go there and
just be blessed to really just fulfill my childhood dream
whoever that is, whatever team that is, So you know,
I'm happy.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
How about the whole idea of the group visit.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
Uh, some guys said they really really liked it.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Did you get a lot out of it?
Speaker 9 (16:46):
Yeah? For sure, I mean, you to have fun. It
was the only visit I went to that wasn't really
you know, where you have to remember a play or
you know, trying to remember an star or something like that.
So it was dope, and especially to be guys that
I kind of move throughout the process and before that.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
So that's why stet Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's welcome in Steve Khin. He's a former general manager
of the Arizona Cardinals. Of course, he selected quarterbacks in
successive years in Josh Rosen and then Kyler Murray, who
he took number one overall, and he joins us, how
did you approach those visits with quarterbacks, especially subsequent years
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you did? How'd you approach it?
Speaker 7 (17:28):
Well, I mean, I think that's a great question. I mean,
number one, the biggest thing is is the skill set
is the easiest part to identify when you see that
on tape. I think the biggest thing that you want
to get out of the interview process, or at least
I should say the in person meeting process, is certainly
to know more about the person, what makes him tick,
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what the metal makeup is, how they approach the game,
the professionals and those sort of things, And to me
at that position, that's so critical for any kind of
success at the next level.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
What was Rosen like?
Speaker 7 (18:00):
You know, Josh was you know, a little intellectual guy.
I mean, he really was. He's smart. Biggest problem I
think maybe when you look back on it, is he
had a lot of outside interests and you know, whether
it was you know, things with different organizations for for
you know, saving the beaches and the different things that
he believed in which were very strong in the community.
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But at the same time, you know, the guys that
you really, really I think, are are dying to have
on your team as a leader are the ones who
you know, are trying to call the seven and sevens,
the off season program stuff. The great leaders that are
you know, really their day in and day out in
the off season.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, it's interesting, right, every but everybody warned you. Everybody said, like,
really smart kid. But here's my thing. With with Rosen
at the time, which was and I got this from
another GM who was looking at him. When when you
draft him, which was you know, nowhere you call to
people go like Josh Rosen, I love that kid. I
love him. Right, No one disliked him. No one thought
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he wasn't talented, smart, none of it. And a matter
of fact, when you saw him against Sam Donald against us,
like he looked like the pro Donald did not really,
But but that was kind of the mo which was
nobody there was there was no true gravitational pull towards him.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Fair yeah, yeah, And I say that all the time.
I mean right now, I mean as you look back
on things and mistakes that you know I have made
or that I've seen people make in the NFL, is
you know there are certain warning signs, and you just
can't avoid the warning signs, you know, the red flagstick Alex.
So if I'm sometimes and the problem is that supplying
demand is such an issue, you know, I drafted, or
I should say, my first year as a general manager
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in twenty thirteen, I traded a seventh profit for Carson Palmer.
So in the next five success to seasons we had
over fifty wins in five years, two time executive year.
I thought I was pretty good at this, Yeah, and
then all of a sudden, Bruce Arians retires and Carson
Palmer's retires, and now, all of a sudden, you know,
I'm we're in a position where you know, you don't
have a quarterback. And the quarterbacks that went before us
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obviously A Baker and Josh Allen, et cetera. He was
the next guy up, and you know, obviously he looked
back on it. Now everybody missed on Lamar.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yep, but why why I'll just again, I'll give you
a full disclosure. I saw Lamar's last game in the
bowl game against Misissippi State.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
He was awful.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's awf yeah right, No.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
No, there were times when when you when you studied
Lamar coming out, I mean, he wondered whether the game
would translate because there were some times. To his credit,
I mean, he has really become a much better pure
passer than he was, and he's gotten more accurate, which
I think there's any degree you can get more accurate
at this level. But he has done a good job,
and he's obviously played within the system, and they've done
a great job. You know, using his feet and his
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legs and all the different things that he brings to
the table. And the guy's just a winner. I mean
you can't. That's the one thing about J. J. McCarthy
and tonight's draft. I mean, people can can say all
they want about the guy, but I mean, at the
end of the day, the guy is a.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Winner, no question.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Stug out. Let's sure here on Fox Sport Traity that
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to you by expresspros dot Com. Okay, so that first year,
your offensive line wasn't very good. You got a first
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year head coach, I mean it didn't work out well.
When was the point where you're like this, this is
not going.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
To work with my quarterback, you know, I think it
was probably midway through the year, because I think you remember,
Sam Bradford had gotten injured and that gave us, you know,
a great opportunity to see Josh play and to play
a number of games. And regardless of the skill set,
and the talent that was around them. We were able
to see the way he approached the game as professionalism,
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all those again, all those things to me that make
quarterbacks great at this level, and the fact that we
had the number one pick, you know, And again the
biggest thing is, as much as I loved the Nick
Bosa and Quinn Williams, you know, to have an opportunity
to take a quarterback that I felt propel organization to
quick which he did. You know, he looks back on
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it now and Kyle's had some ups and downs. But
at the same time, I don't know that Nick Boss
or Quinn Williams were have won US eleven games in
year two right the time?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
There, Yeah, no, I mean people people dismissed the fact
that you took a team that was the number one
overall at the number one overall pick one four, then
one eleven, and obviously injuries befell him and your best
wide receiver, and that that changed you dramatically. What was
different or what was your approach like with Kyler as
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opposed to Josh. It's one year to the next, how'd
you how'd you change? How did you approach that draftic?
Speaker 7 (22:36):
Well, you know, I think number one, you know, making
sure that everybody in the building was balled end and
they were a number two. Once we identified and decided
that he was our guy, to make sure it was
known and not only for him, but the rest of
the team, the Kyler Murray was going to be a
guy moving forward, and to give him that confidence when
we rolled the ball out there like this is this
is your team. You know, regardless of the fact that
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you're a rookie. You have guys with Glarry Fitzgerald on
your side and as your teammates, and hopefully you use
those guys, you know to a degree with with their
experience and some of the things that they've been through,
and hopefully that will help you becoming pro much quicker.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Cliff's a guy who you smartly hired because in addition
to being a good offensive coach, he had a relationship
with with Kyler, and Kyler knew his offense, so there
wasn't as steep a learning curve as there is for
so many rookies. In your mind, which of these quarterbacks
fits best with Cliff, because Cliff's going to be doing
the same thing, granted as an assistant coach, but with
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the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
Well, I mean, I ideally I think it would be
kid who's gonna be the first pick in the draft
because he's already coached him for a year at USC.
But that's not going to happen. But you know, I
think Jayde and Daniels will be a good fit. I
think Jayde is the guy that has the wheels that
Cliff knows how to utilize those legs and his athleticism
as well as you know, his his ability, you know,
in some ways, in my opinion, similar to the way
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Kyler through the football, nice stroke, very active. It pet
him out of the pocket and let them do some
things on the move. And to me, I think Jane
Daniels is a guy who fits extremely well for what
Cliff can ask them to do.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Thematically, it's going to be fascinating to see. Obviously you
saw him when he was in college at ars On
State before he went to His improvement is dramatic. There
have been criticism of how many sacks he takes and
why is how many sacks he takes important from an evaluator.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
Size, Well, you know, I think number one, you got
a to me. In the NFL, the game becomes even quicker,
and the decisions have to become faster, So you have
to not only have your feet to get you out
of trouble, but you obviously have to use your brain
to get rid of the ball in a quick fashion.
And to me, you know, I think that you know,
when you take a lot of sacks, it's for a
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number of reasons. But sometimes those guys, now you see
the more athletic quarterbacks, they put themselves in a predicament.
Even with Caleb Williams and some of these guys at
Kyler Murray, they get to the point where they can
almost improvise too much, if that makes sense. You know
where they get in bad habits because they're seeking get
amount of so much trouble that you know that they're
willing to take the extra chance, so they're willing to
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hold onto the ball a little more because they've they've
been able to make things happen so much in the past.
The problem is is you get those kind of guys
at times and you're now playing behind the stick so
much because all of a sudden, instead of being in
second and four, second and six, you're sitting back there
in second and twelve or third and fourteen, and that's
not the way you can win NFL football.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Nope, it's very very hard to win that way. Steve
Kaimar guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. You mentioned JJ McCarthy. You mentioned that he's
a winner, there's no doubt about it, and he's playing
a pro style system, played for essentially a pro coach
as well. How do you balance that out with with
the man they didn't even let him throw against Penn
(25:48):
State and just a lack of volume of throws in
comparison to so many others.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt his so to speak,
his work and then what you've been able to feel
on tape has not really probably been equal to a
top ten pick. Yet at the same time, you know,
and I know a lot of the scouts are you know,
have missed in the past when players like him number one,
(26:14):
you were able to go see him in his pro
workout and from the people that I talked about there
where they are showed much more athletic ability and arm
strength and they anticipated and then at the end of
the day you look at the team that just all
they did was win, and really, you know, when you
look at Jim Harball's offense, they won because they can
run the ball effectively. And to me, that's the way
the NFL is built, is to be able to operate
at a high level within your offense. And I know
(26:36):
that people call him system guys. I don't believe in
system guys. To me, I think that it's just if
you're not is twitch yar as talented. Maybe you can
identify that there's very few Patrick mahomes out there. But
at the same time, you all have to operate within
the system. And nobody did it better than JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
If Steve Kime was to write a book on approaching
the NFL draft, and you've done it for so long,
you know, going back to even scout days before he
became a GM, what's the number one do and the
number one don't.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
Well, the number one do is to trust your instincts
and as long as you can trust your gun and
your instincts, and the don't is do not avoid red flags.
And again you know you mentioned there were may be
some red flags with Josh Rosen. There was another guy
that I drafted in the first round. I think he's
(27:27):
like picked twenty six named Robert Knbecchi. You know, Robert
was a guy I think we just won fourteen games
or thirteen games a year before, went to the NFC Championship,
so we were riding pretty high, and you know, we
thought we needed a defensive tackle that was explosive. Robert
Kindichi was the guy I should have been a top
five pick athletically, but again, there were several red flags
there from his off season, his work away from football,
(27:51):
his passion, the different things that we studied, and we
felt like we tried to really dig deep with the player.
Yet at the same time, there were enough red flags
that we ignored them because of supplying demand. Again, when
you get in a position where you're trying to you know,
when you don't have something or I should say particularly
the quarterback position. You know when when we drafted Josh,
I mean supplying demand, it makes you do some crazy,
(28:14):
crazy things because if you don't have that one position,
it can make you do things that are not logical.
And that's the hardest part to avoid.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Well, the Kimdchi thing, and again I know there is
some other stuff, but there was also the you know,
did he go to Ole miss that he got paid
to go to Ole miss right, that's what and it
does bring us to you know, you know, circling back
around to the Caleb Williams thing, which is this is
a different generation, literally different in that Caleb Williams walks
(28:41):
in with likely seven figures in his bank account. I
don't want to say he doesn't need football, but it's
not the same hunger, passion, desire to make it that
so many others previously to him have had. There's also
social media, there's a lot of other things. How different
do you think it makes these players, considering they were
(29:04):
so handsomely compensated at the college level before getting to
the NFL.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Well, I think there's a degree of it to make
them less hungry. But I think the thing you got
to sort of dive and figure out is really what
sort of drives them regardless. I mean, you know, enough
guys and especially some of the pros that have made
a ton of money, Guys like Larry Fitzgerald that I've
been around, have made a gazillion dollars, but they love
They did it because they loved it, and that's the
key thing you got to figure out. You know, Robert
(29:29):
Canbecci is the guy who's funny interesting story is we're
in a draft process and we all love this talent
and his ability, and I told her defensive line coach,
I have some concerns. Obviously, these red flags are a
little scary. Certainly, don't want to put my name on
a player that doesn't love it. And I'll never forget.
He said, you know this guy that can't do it
or whatever, you know, he can live in my basement.
Well the next year, about a year later, that same
(29:49):
defensive line coach walked into my office with Robert Kenbachi.
He said, I can't coach this guy. Thought what happened
to your basement? Did he get flooded?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
So funny, funny, Steve, listen, you're an incredible asset to have.
I can't wait to listen to your coverage tonight because
it's so important, so timely, so insightful. Thanks so much
for me our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
Thanks Doug Detroy Choby Rocking the night Man.
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Let's get you to Dan Byer Dan the press, Doug
(30:42):
when we did game time and we did I feel
a draft? I drafted Drew Pearson talking trash to the
Philadelphia Eagles fans who booed him on stage, and the
Cowboys great really gave it back to the Philly fans.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
Well.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
The NFL continues their tradition of having former players and
some current players making and naming the picks in the
second and third round. And now we ventured into the
world of celebrity where Rick Flair will be announcing the Buccaneers.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Third round pick, number ninety two overall. That will be
on Friday. I think, did you tweet this?
Speaker 7 (31:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I tweeted about it.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
You want to share what you tweeted?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I just said there's no way the Buccaneers can trade
that pick.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Now, right, You're like, uh, because you can't go like
to Rick Flair at his hell is he.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Mister?
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I guess seventy four.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
That pick was I'm gonna go over. I'm gonna go
over as you guys google h he's seventy five. I
barely hit it. Nice, nice job, he's like seventy nine.
I did too. Yeah, I did too. You can't go
like mister Flair. Yeah that's the Vikings pick.
Speaker 9 (31:54):
Now, WHOA.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
With you?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
He just turned to seventy five as of February. Oh
so maybe I thought about it in like February or
February and then just didn't realize.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I listen. If you knew that much, then kudos to you.
I feel like you're bs. And but that's oh I love.
I love.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
It's how they try to bring people to also watch
the second and third rounds. What I would like to
see is Undertaker to mysteriously like appear with a Raiders pick,
just like he did at WrestleMania.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
It'd be amazing if they had like coffin on stage
and didn't say anything about it. It was just sitting
there forevery like what that was a coffin stage, Then
all of a sudden the Raiders pick.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
He just comes out of the coffin. If you were
being picked, like if you were the player, how great
would that be? Like, there's one thing to have the
commissioner announce your name, but like, wouldn't you love it
if Rick Flair was the one who announced that you
were drafted into the NFL.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I think I think Jason would like the Rock to
be there because the Rock is everywhere and we don't
know why.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Yeah, I don't think he'll be available to announce my
draft pick.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
I love how the Rock is shows up in those
tour videos as well a lot of times on the
TMZ tours.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Oh there's the Rock, Oh there's the Rock. Just happens
to be where we drove by.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Jordan Schultz FS.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
One bleacher report says the Giants are looking to move
up from number six, possibly to number three. Whe there
I set on North Carolina's Drake May.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I love that that he feels like a disaster coming
right by the way. You had a duke quarterback, and
when the duke quarterbacks contract expires at the end of
this year, then you replace him with the North Carolina quarterback.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
It's be interesting.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yes, uh Ari's of a state quarterback. Jaden Roshata is
committed to play at Georgia. Some college football transfer news
he was supposed to be at Florida, then ended up
going to Arizona State, and then now at.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Something in Michigan State before that too, Like he's been
all over.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
He's gonna back up Carson Beck in twenty twenty four
and who knows after that what could transpire? Kind of
one two, three NBA playoff games tonight Doug Calves and
Magic Nixon, Sixers, Nuggets and Lakers.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Cavs and Magic is happening. I know it's a playoff,
but literally, as anybody watched a single play from the series, oh,
I have not, that's one of those. I know what happened.
I'm sure it was great. Nobody cares.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That's one of those. This was made for NBA TV,
And I'm not the first one or second one to
say it. And I'm also the one to say it
is my team was on NBA TV on Tuesday. And
also we'll be tipping in a five thirty Eastern time
game tomorrow for some reason.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Oh and at an.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
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Championship qualifier Charlie Wood shot eighty one, did not advance.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
That's the press, all.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
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Speaker 1 (00:40):
So the draft is upon us tonight, right, and this
is going to They're all interesting ones. This one's going
to be super interesting just because there's so many quarterbacks
and people have all these opinions about quarterbacks. I think
it's interesting how Michael Pinnick specifically, and that's why am
(01:05):
I forgetting the kid's name from the Michigan h JJ McCarthy,
how they've skyrocketed up boards because we saw them play
in the National Championship game. That's really what it comes
down to. And there's this this happens all the time.
There's the like, are they in the National Championship Game
because they have a great quarterback? Or do we think
(01:26):
they're a great quarterback because they're in the National Championship game?
And that's a hard one. There was obviously much more
on Michael Pennix's plate than there was JJ McCarthy's plate.
But he also JJ McCarthy was learning a much more
advanced scheme and he had to sacrifice his ego to
hand the ball off more. That part's fascinating. I could
(01:47):
be the only one, but I loved the Heats win
last night. Now what I didn't like about the Heats
win last night is, inevitably every fall, everybody falls back
on EP heat culture. They even have it on their jerseys.
It's like they have mastered the art of mind screwing
(02:07):
you by thinking there's something special about their heat culture.
Because I didn't know heat culture had anything to do
with twenty three or forty three from three? Did you like?
I thought culture was about playing hard, playing together, doing
the right things, et cetera. And they won the game
because they shot the eyes out of the basketball and
(02:29):
because the zones seemed to befuddle the Boston Celtics. And
if you want to say that their stick touitiveness, their
ability to believe even though in the first game they
were blown out, that's part of heat culture. I'll go
with that. I'll allow that your honor. All allow that
your honor. But the reality is, okay, the reality is
(02:57):
that they won because they did have five guys to
play together there. But they're like the old guys that
showed up at the park and you had a bunch
of young, energetic dudes that if it's a one on
one game, you got no shot. But that's not how
basketball is played. And I think it's gonna be fascinating
(03:18):
because what you saw last night, what you see from
Oklahoma City, frankly, you see it from the Denver Nuggets.
I get that Jokich dominates the ball, but he dominates
the ball and is a great facilitator as well, and
that ball does in fact move. Yes, they get to
a Yo Kich Jamal Murray pick and roll right, that's
(03:42):
definitely their kind of go to play. But there's a
lot of other things that happened before that that set
up them to get in that position where they put
you in a bad spot. You got to pick your poison.
You're gonna go it guard Jamal Murray. Then if not,
he hits the roller. If you're not gonna go gard
Jamal Murray, he can go get a bucket. If you
can't do guard Jamal Murray, he's gonna find Yokicic if
(04:03):
you step up to help on Yokic, he's gonna find
the open guy because he's a great passer. But man, I,
I mean, are you kidneyed with the guys they threw
out there last night? Let me read you the names.
Okay of who played for the Heat last night against
(04:25):
the Boston Celtics, who had the best record in the
regular season, And we've told you before regular season literally
means nothing. Tyler Hero was the hero. He had twenty
four and fourteen. Bam had twenty one and ten, and like, look,
BAM's not a nobody. He played on Team USA. But
Kayla Martin, Haimi hawkez and Nikola Jokic Jovich Sorry, those
(04:50):
were their other three starters. And off the bench, Heywood
high Smith hit three threes and Duncan Robinson. Though he
didn't shoot well, he hit two threes. And every time
Duncan Robinson shoots the ball, if you're the opposing team,
you hold your breath because you think it's going in.
Even Delon Wright, who was a lottery pick, bounced around
(05:12):
the NBA and one reason was not a great shooter.
Even he came in and hit a three last night.
And then of course they break out Kevin Love. You're like, dude,
Kevin Love is still in the league.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
But man, you step out in the court with some
no name dudes. They just play hard and play together
and find the open man and shoot threes, and it's
like old dudes at the why. They're like, no, we
got this, We're gonna run this court. And then you're
sitting there after the game and the other the old
guys are still playing. You're not, and you can't figure
out why. Yes, football is the world's greatest team sport,
(05:48):
and yes, individuals can carry an NBA team, but it
is a great team game. And when my five is
better than your five, even though none of my or
maybe one of my five is as good as your
five by themselves, that's what makes the sport a beautiful thing.
(06:10):
And oh yeah, by the way, that's the essence of
the three point line. The two things that are equalizers
in sports, in the sport of basketball, the zone defense
and the three point line, right, because the three point
line allows you if you're not that big, you're not
that strong, you can't go in there, you're not that thought,
you can't scort s guy, there's still a place for
(06:31):
you here if you can make a shot from twenty
five to twenty six feet out. And the zone defense,
though not the pure zones we see in college or
we'll see in Europe, they're still effective because again, in
of itself, you can't guard these guys. You can't guard
Jason Tatum one on one, but in a zone you can.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You can.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I thought it was an amazing thing, and I still
think the Celtics win the series. I still think the
Celtics overall talent is better. But in a one game
stereo And what is the what is the Princeton offense
famous for it? Yes, they have back door cuts, but
the reason the back doors are open is they used
the three point line and they played a lot of
zone And it's interesting, right that style is designed for
(07:20):
inferior talent. It's one of the things I often said
when Jim Beheim was at Syracuse, like I actually think
though the zone worked for them in the NCAA tournament,
one of the reasons they didn't work in the regular
season was it's hard to set tempo when you're playing
a zone or to play fast. And if you have
better players, why would you play a zone and why
(07:40):
would you play the way they played offensively? Right, Athletic
teams have tried to run Princeton before. It doesn't really work,
just like athletic teams for the most part have some
have tried to play zone and to very limited limited success.
If your athletic used that athleticism to your advantage, if
you're or not well, we got his zone defense, and
(08:01):
we got other different ways, you know, double teaming, other
different ways in which we can help you. And the
other part of his own defense is the true weakness
of any zone is not necessarily the open shooting. It's
the inside, right, You're trying to hide the fact that
we can't stop you at the rim. And Boston doesn't
(08:22):
really have anybody who scores at the rim, you know,
in terms of throwing it into the post. People ask
all that, like, why didn't people's zone Purdue. That's because
Zach Edy now he has one guy who's standing underneath
the hoop he steps into. He just lays the ball in.
It's too easy. It's actually easier to guard him in
man than it was in zone. And I know NBA
(08:42):
zones are different, but the idea is still the same.
What Boston doesn't and can't really do is they can't
really post up and score inside against his zone other
than drives, and they don't have drivers. They have one
on one shooters. Let's go to uh, Dan, what do
you think in terms of the last night watching that game.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I'll just say this, Doug, because I was doing birthday stuff.
What I think was not surprising about this was that
the Heat won a game in this series. I thought
Boston would win. What was not surprising was that Miami
was victorious. What I thought how it would play out
would be Boston win when their first two at home,
the Heat maybe win game three, and then Boston ends
(09:25):
up saying, all right, we're gonna put the clamps down
game four, and then we'll close it out in game five.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
It's no shock to me. That the Heat won a game.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Was it surprising that I was in Boston? Yeah, a
little bit. And then now if you're Boston and you've
got this thing that you talk about Heat culture on
your mind, it becomes a little bit more of an issue.
And then when you're starting to look at the benches
and do you want to match wits with Eric Spolstra
(09:54):
because it got you in trouble in Game two, I
think that the Celtics, now if you're a or questioning
that a little bit more, this just opened everything up.
We had heard a lot of maybe Heat having the
opportunity to, you know, Boston didn't want to face Miami
because of the history and what was there. But truly
I felt Boston was going to be the better team
(10:16):
and going to be the better team in the series.
But now what a Game two win in Boston does
for the Heat is it opens up all of these
cracks that you felt maybe could have been there, and
now it's just up to your star players. It's up
to Jason Tatum and it's up to Jalen Brown to
make sure that that doesn't happen in Miami. And that
was my takeaway from Again, I would have loved to
(10:38):
have watched the game, but it just didn't happen last night.
As an overall sort of thing, that would be my
feel from the series.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Okay, Sam, what do you think.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
You shoot that hot from three? Yeah, you'll win, but
kind of an aberration.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I think that's most people's assessment, and I generally think
that way. And I think because Jimmy is very unlikely
to return, I just this is my takeaway from last night,
and it's my takeaway from the Dallas game. Was that
last night and the night before Dallas Clippers, I'm I'm
screwed up in my knights. That was Tuesday then, right,
(11:16):
it's the I don't want to get in a game
semn with Miami, not just because the whole heat culture thing,
but because they got a shooter's chance. It's it's you
know what it's like, and the Dallas game it's the
same thing. It's like, uh, Luca, Okay, Luca gives you
(11:37):
a chance to win any game. He's that good and
he's played in those situations right, and there's there's just
a like Luca can get a shot off. It feels
like against anybody. So I look at the Celtics, I
look at the Clippers as both don't play with fire.
Here you can lose a home game and go back
and win back home court advantage. I don't want to
(11:57):
get into a game semn with the Miami Heat because
they were in the finals last year and they got
a shooters chance. And I don't want to get into
Game seven with the Dallas Mavericks because they have Luca
and they have Kyrie and you know what end of
those series. Dudes are tired. Sometimes just the star steps
up and makes place. So uh yeah, it's take on
(12:17):
last night.
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Speaker 1 (12:31):
And this I can dream about you. I can dream
about you. None of is this? Who is this? Who's
the actual singer? This is the instrumental version? Anybody?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yes? Is it Dan Hartman? Is that what it was?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
You don't know?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I don't know Hartman.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
It's Dan Hartman.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
This is just one of the songs that has your
name associated with it because you like it, So I'm
playing it for you.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I never I never heard it play as.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
This has never been played on our show. Ever, your
name is literally attached to this instrument. Maybe you're looking
at the gut leaf folder.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I'm not calling you a liar mill I'm saying we
can these things can both be true. I've done this show.
I had started ESPN. My own show was oh five,
I think, or maybe six six. I started at four o'clock.
So it's been it's been a minute. It's been eighteen
years in the afternoon time slot. This is the first
(13:32):
time I've heard any instrumental played.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Yeah, we have this conversation recently. Like you, you brought
a bunch of bumps with you to the show, and
you know, and you have your preferences, and then Ramos
mixed it in over the years. So I said to Sam,
I said, why don't we mix in some of those
old bumps that that Doug brought?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
You know, thought I thought that's what it was, But
I think the wrong folder. No, I think Ramos maybe
liked that song a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
That sounds like it. That sounds and he it's a
little bit older than me. What's his name, Dan?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
What Hartman?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Does he have any other songs?
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Doesn't he host a show on weekends?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Here Loves la la dan.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Oh that Dan Hartman. I had no idea I was.
I was today years old.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I learned our Steve Hartman more popular than the CBS
is Steve Hartman, M CBS Sunday Morning, CBS Sunday Morning.
Steve Hartman never watched it?
Speaker 7 (14:36):
What is it? Is it?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Does he do the Sunday Morning show?
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Now he's the East Coast Steve Hartman.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
No, he's he's the guy who does like the great
stories like yeah, you know, we were here in western
Nebraska where time seems to stand still?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Can you do it again?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Can you do it?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Do you have any music for that?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
But actually, here's the deal.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
You don't need music for it, because that's how CBS
Sunday Morning goes. But not for Zachariah Wilson. That's so good,
it's good, gets into the whole deal.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, So Sunday Morning starts out with CBS Sunday Morning.
It ends up with like twenty twenty and uh, which
is always the husband or wife did it right? The
ex wife, the husband wife did it almost always poisoned right?
And I mean, and who's that guy? What's that guy's name?
He's got the great kind of creepy sort of voice.
(15:27):
Really good.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Jay Moore used to do that voice.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
That was Keith Morrison of Dateline.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Keith Morrison, murder God, can you give me the can
you give me lit?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Keith Morrison? No, but I could do it. I think
it was Josh Mankowitz will talk like this. So the
murder weapon was in the bathroom.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
Possibly murderer, do you know, like I love Jay Moore
does have a kind of a lugubrious sound, and it's
like he was involved in something he probably oughtn't to
have done. Possibly murder.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
That's really good, very very Actually had some Keith Morrison
in the system. Ye, yeah about that?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
There you go?
Speaker 7 (16:06):
There you go?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
That was that on the was that the on the
Gottli pile?
Speaker 6 (16:09):
To keep that dropping and then lose the Dan hartman
uh instrumental?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Is Jade and Daniels going to the commanders? That's I
think the big question, right what happens at number two?
Here's Jade Daniels talk about the possibility go in the
commanders after his much reported visit with three other dudes
before the draft.
Speaker 9 (16:30):
It would be fun be able to go there and
just be blessed to really just fulfill my childhood dream
whoever that is, whatever team that is, So you know,
I'm happy.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
How about the whole idea of the group visit.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
Uh, some guys said they really really liked it.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Did you get a lot out of it?
Speaker 9 (16:46):
Yeah? For sure, I mean, you to have fun. It
was the only visit I went to that wasn't really
you know, where you have to remember a play or
you know, trying to remember an star or something like that.
So it was dope, and especially to be guys that
I kind of move throughout the process and before that.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
So that's why stet Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's welcome in Steve Khin. He's a former general manager
of the Arizona Cardinals. Of course, he selected quarterbacks in
successive years in Josh Rosen and then Kyler Murray, who
he took number one overall, and he joins us, how
did you approach those visits with quarterbacks, especially subsequent years
(17:26):
you did? How'd you approach it?
Speaker 7 (17:28):
Well, I mean, I think that's a great question. I mean,
number one, the biggest thing is is the skill set
is the easiest part to identify when you see that
on tape. I think the biggest thing that you want
to get out of the interview process, or at least
I should say the in person meeting process, is certainly
to know more about the person, what makes him tick,
(17:48):
what the metal makeup is, how they approach the game,
the professionals and those sort of things, And to me
at that position, that's so critical for any kind of
success at the next level.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
What was Rosen like?
Speaker 7 (18:00):
You know, Josh was you know, a little intellectual guy.
I mean, he really was. He's smart. Biggest problem I
think maybe when you look back on it, is he
had a lot of outside interests and you know, whether
it was you know, things with different organizations for for
you know, saving the beaches and the different things that
he believed in which were very strong in the community.
(18:22):
But at the same time, you know, the guys that
you really, really I think, are are dying to have
on your team as a leader are the ones who
you know, are trying to call the seven and sevens,
the off season program stuff. The great leaders that are
you know, really their day in and day out in
the off season.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, it's interesting, right, every but everybody warned you. Everybody said, like,
really smart kid. But here's my thing. With with Rosen
at the time, which was and I got this from
another GM who was looking at him. When when you
draft him, which was you know, nowhere you call to
people go like Josh Rosen, I love that kid. I
love him. Right, No one disliked him. No one thought
(19:01):
he wasn't talented, smart, none of it. And a matter
of fact, when you saw him against Sam Donald against us,
like he looked like the pro Donald did not really,
But but that was kind of the mo which was
nobody there was there was no true gravitational pull towards him.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Fair yeah, yeah, And I say that all the time.
I mean right now, I mean as you look back
on things and mistakes that you know I have made
or that I've seen people make in the NFL, is
you know there are certain warning signs, and you just
can't avoid the warning signs, you know, the red flagstick Alex.
So if I'm sometimes and the problem is that supplying
demand is such an issue, you know, I drafted, or
I should say, my first year as a general manager
(19:37):
in twenty thirteen, I traded a seventh profit for Carson Palmer.
So in the next five success to seasons we had
over fifty wins in five years, two time executive year.
I thought I was pretty good at this, Yeah, and
then all of a sudden, Bruce Arians retires and Carson
Palmer's retires, and now, all of a sudden, you know,
I'm we're in a position where you know, you don't
have a quarterback. And the quarterbacks that went before us
(19:58):
obviously A Baker and Josh Allen, et cetera. He was
the next guy up, and you know, obviously he looked
back on it. Now everybody missed on Lamar.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yep, but why why I'll just again, I'll give you
a full disclosure. I saw Lamar's last game in the
bowl game against Misissippi State.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
He was awful.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's awf yeah right, No.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
No, there were times when when you when you studied
Lamar coming out, I mean, he wondered whether the game
would translate because there were some times. To his credit,
I mean, he has really become a much better pure
passer than he was, and he's gotten more accurate, which
I think there's any degree you can get more accurate
at this level. But he has done a good job,
and he's obviously played within the system, and they've done
a great job. You know, using his feet and his
(20:39):
legs and all the different things that he brings to
the table. And the guy's just a winner. I mean
you can't. That's the one thing about J. J. McCarthy
and tonight's draft. I mean, people can can say all
they want about the guy, but I mean, at the
end of the day, the guy is a.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Winner, no question.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Stug out. Let's sure here on Fox Sport Traity that
voice to Steve com You're going to hear him tonight
starting an eight eastern, five Pacific right here on Fox
Sports Trade the iHeartRadio app part of our coverage of
the first round of the NFL job It is brought
to you by expresspros dot Com. Okay, so that first year,
your offensive line wasn't very good. You got a first
(21:13):
year head coach, I mean it didn't work out well.
When was the point where you're like this, this is
not going.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
To work with my quarterback, you know, I think it
was probably midway through the year, because I think you remember,
Sam Bradford had gotten injured and that gave us, you know,
a great opportunity to see Josh play and to play
a number of games. And regardless of the skill set,
and the talent that was around them. We were able
to see the way he approached the game as professionalism,
(21:40):
all those again, all those things to me that make
quarterbacks great at this level, and the fact that we
had the number one pick, you know, And again the
biggest thing is, as much as I loved the Nick
Bosa and Quinn Williams, you know, to have an opportunity
to take a quarterback that I felt propel organization to
quick which he did. You know, he looks back on
(22:02):
it now and Kyle's had some ups and downs. But
at the same time, I don't know that Nick Boss
or Quinn Williams were have won US eleven games in
year two right the time?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
There, Yeah, no, I mean people people dismissed the fact
that you took a team that was the number one
overall at the number one overall pick one four, then
one eleven, and obviously injuries befell him and your best
wide receiver, and that that changed you dramatically. What was
different or what was your approach like with Kyler as
(22:29):
opposed to Josh. It's one year to the next, how'd
you how'd you change? How did you approach that draftic?
Speaker 7 (22:36):
Well, you know, I think number one, you know, making
sure that everybody in the building was balled end and
they were a number two. Once we identified and decided
that he was our guy, to make sure it was
known and not only for him, but the rest of
the team, the Kyler Murray was going to be a
guy moving forward, and to give him that confidence when
we rolled the ball out there like this is this
is your team. You know, regardless of the fact that
(22:58):
you're a rookie. You have guys with Glarry Fitzgerald on
your side and as your teammates, and hopefully you use
those guys, you know to a degree with with their
experience and some of the things that they've been through,
and hopefully that will help you becoming pro much quicker.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Cliff's a guy who you smartly hired because in addition
to being a good offensive coach, he had a relationship
with with Kyler, and Kyler knew his offense, so there
wasn't as steep a learning curve as there is for
so many rookies. In your mind, which of these quarterbacks
fits best with Cliff, because Cliff's going to be doing
the same thing, granted as an assistant coach, but with
(23:35):
the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
Well, I mean, I ideally I think it would be
kid who's gonna be the first pick in the draft
because he's already coached him for a year at USC.
But that's not going to happen. But you know, I
think Jayde and Daniels will be a good fit. I
think Jayde is the guy that has the wheels that
Cliff knows how to utilize those legs and his athleticism
as well as you know, his his ability, you know,
in some ways, in my opinion, similar to the way
(23:57):
Kyler through the football, nice stroke, very active. It pet
him out of the pocket and let them do some
things on the move. And to me, I think Jane
Daniels is a guy who fits extremely well for what
Cliff can ask them to do.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Thematically, it's going to be fascinating to see. Obviously you
saw him when he was in college at ars On
State before he went to His improvement is dramatic. There
have been criticism of how many sacks he takes and
why is how many sacks he takes important from an evaluator.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
Size, Well, you know, I think number one, you got
a to me. In the NFL, the game becomes even quicker,
and the decisions have to become faster, So you have
to not only have your feet to get you out
of trouble, but you obviously have to use your brain
to get rid of the ball in a quick fashion.
And to me, you know, I think that you know,
when you take a lot of sacks, it's for a
(24:46):
number of reasons. But sometimes those guys, now you see
the more athletic quarterbacks, they put themselves in a predicament.
Even with Caleb Williams and some of these guys at
Kyler Murray, they get to the point where they can
almost improvise too much, if that makes sense. You know
where they get in bad habits because they're seeking get
amount of so much trouble that you know that they're
willing to take the extra chance, so they're willing to
(25:08):
hold onto the ball a little more because they've they've
been able to make things happen so much in the past.
The problem is is you get those kind of guys
at times and you're now playing behind the stick so
much because all of a sudden, instead of being in
second and four, second and six, you're sitting back there
in second and twelve or third and fourteen, and that's
not the way you can win NFL football.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Nope, it's very very hard to win that way. Steve
Kaimar guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. You mentioned JJ McCarthy. You mentioned that he's
a winner, there's no doubt about it, and he's playing
a pro style system, played for essentially a pro coach
as well. How do you balance that out with with
the man they didn't even let him throw against Penn
(25:48):
State and just a lack of volume of throws in
comparison to so many others.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt his so to speak,
his work and then what you've been able to feel
on tape has not really probably been equal to a
top ten pick. Yet at the same time, you know,
and I know a lot of the scouts are you know,
have missed in the past when players like him number one,
(26:14):
you were able to go see him in his pro
workout and from the people that I talked about there
where they are showed much more athletic ability and arm
strength and they anticipated and then at the end of
the day you look at the team that just all
they did was win, and really, you know, when you
look at Jim Harball's offense, they won because they can
run the ball effectively. And to me, that's the way
the NFL is built, is to be able to operate
at a high level within your offense. And I know
(26:36):
that people call him system guys. I don't believe in
system guys. To me, I think that it's just if
you're not is twitch yar as talented. Maybe you can
identify that there's very few Patrick mahomes out there. But
at the same time, you all have to operate within
the system. And nobody did it better than JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
If Steve Kime was to write a book on approaching
the NFL draft, and you've done it for so long,
you know, going back to even scout days before he
became a GM, what's the number one do and the
number one don't.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
Well, the number one do is to trust your instincts
and as long as you can trust your gun and
your instincts, and the don't is do not avoid red flags.
And again you know you mentioned there were may be
some red flags with Josh Rosen. There was another guy
that I drafted in the first round. I think he's
(27:27):
like picked twenty six named Robert Knbecchi. You know, Robert
was a guy I think we just won fourteen games
or thirteen games a year before, went to the NFC Championship,
so we were riding pretty high, and you know, we
thought we needed a defensive tackle that was explosive. Robert
Kindichi was the guy I should have been a top
five pick athletically, but again, there were several red flags
there from his off season, his work away from football,
(27:51):
his passion, the different things that we studied, and we
felt like we tried to really dig deep with the player.
Yet at the same time, there were enough red flags
that we ignored them because of supplying demand. Again, when
you get in a position where you're trying to you know,
when you don't have something or I should say particularly
the quarterback position. You know when when we drafted Josh,
I mean supplying demand, it makes you do some crazy,
(28:14):
crazy things because if you don't have that one position,
it can make you do things that are not logical.
And that's the hardest part to avoid.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Well, the Kimdchi thing, and again I know there is
some other stuff, but there was also the you know,
did he go to Ole miss that he got paid
to go to Ole miss right, that's what and it
does bring us to you know, you know, circling back
around to the Caleb Williams thing, which is this is
a different generation, literally different in that Caleb Williams walks
(28:41):
in with likely seven figures in his bank account. I
don't want to say he doesn't need football, but it's
not the same hunger, passion, desire to make it that
so many others previously to him have had. There's also
social media, there's a lot of other things. How different
do you think it makes these players, considering they were
(29:04):
so handsomely compensated at the college level before getting to
the NFL.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Well, I think there's a degree of it to make
them less hungry. But I think the thing you got
to sort of dive and figure out is really what
sort of drives them regardless. I mean, you know, enough
guys and especially some of the pros that have made
a ton of money, Guys like Larry Fitzgerald that I've
been around, have made a gazillion dollars, but they love
They did it because they loved it, and that's the
key thing you got to figure out. You know, Robert
(29:29):
Canbecci is the guy who's funny interesting story is we're
in a draft process and we all love this talent
and his ability, and I told her defensive line coach,
I have some concerns. Obviously, these red flags are a
little scary. Certainly, don't want to put my name on
a player that doesn't love it. And I'll never forget.
He said, you know this guy that can't do it
or whatever, you know, he can live in my basement.
Well the next year, about a year later, that same
(29:49):
defensive line coach walked into my office with Robert Kenbachi.
He said, I can't coach this guy. Thought what happened
to your basement? Did he get flooded?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
So funny, funny, Steve, listen, you're an incredible asset to have.
I can't wait to listen to your coverage tonight because
it's so important, so timely, so insightful. Thanks so much
for me our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
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Let's get you to Dan Byer Dan the press, Doug
(30:42):
when we did game time and we did I feel
a draft? I drafted Drew Pearson talking trash to the
Philadelphia Eagles fans who booed him on stage, and the
Cowboys great really gave it back to the Philly fans.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
Well.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
The NFL continues their tradition of having former players and
some current players making and naming the picks in the
second and third round. And now we ventured into the
world of celebrity where Rick Flair will be announcing the Buccaneers.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Third round pick, number ninety two overall. That will be
on Friday. I think, did you tweet this?
Speaker 7 (31:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I tweeted about it.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
You want to share what you tweeted?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I just said there's no way the Buccaneers can trade
that pick.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Now, right, You're like, uh, because you can't go like
to Rick Flair at his hell is he.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Mister?
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I guess seventy four.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
That pick was I'm gonna go over. I'm gonna go
over as you guys google h he's seventy five. I
barely hit it. Nice, nice job, he's like seventy nine.
I did too. Yeah, I did too. You can't go
like mister Flair. Yeah that's the Vikings pick.
Speaker 9 (31:54):
Now, WHOA.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
With you?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
He just turned to seventy five as of February. Oh
so maybe I thought about it in like February or
February and then just didn't realize.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I listen. If you knew that much, then kudos to you.
I feel like you're bs. And but that's oh I love.
I love.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
It's how they try to bring people to also watch
the second and third rounds. What I would like to
see is Undertaker to mysteriously like appear with a Raiders pick,
just like he did at WrestleMania.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
It'd be amazing if they had like coffin on stage
and didn't say anything about it. It was just sitting
there forevery like what that was a coffin stage, Then
all of a sudden the Raiders pick.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
He just comes out of the coffin. If you were
being picked, like if you were the player, how great
would that be? Like, there's one thing to have the
commissioner announce your name, but like, wouldn't you love it
if Rick Flair was the one who announced that you
were drafted into the NFL.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I think I think Jason would like the Rock to
be there because the Rock is everywhere and we don't
know why.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Yeah, I don't think he'll be available to announce my
draft pick.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
I love how the Rock is shows up in those
tour videos as well a lot of times on the
TMZ tours.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Oh there's the Rock, Oh there's the Rock. Just happens
to be where we drove by.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Jordan Schultz FS.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
One bleacher report says the Giants are looking to move
up from number six, possibly to number three. Whe there
I set on North Carolina's Drake May.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I love that that he feels like a disaster coming
right by the way. You had a duke quarterback, and
when the duke quarterbacks contract expires at the end of
this year, then you replace him with the North Carolina quarterback.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
It's be interesting.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yes, uh Ari's of a state quarterback. Jaden Roshata is
committed to play at Georgia. Some college football transfer news
he was supposed to be at Florida, then ended up
going to Arizona State, and then now at.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Something in Michigan State before that too, Like he's been
all over.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
He's gonna back up Carson Beck in twenty twenty four
and who knows after that what could transpire? Kind of
one two, three NBA playoff games tonight Doug Calves and
Magic Nixon, Sixers, Nuggets and Lakers.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Cavs and Magic is happening. I know it's a playoff,
but literally, as anybody watched a single play from the series, oh,
I have not, that's one of those. I know what happened.
I'm sure it was great. Nobody cares.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That's one of those. This was made for NBA TV,
And I'm not the first one or second one to
say it. And I'm also the one to say it
is my team was on NBA TV on Tuesday. And
also we'll be tipping in a five thirty Eastern time
game tomorrow for some reason.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Oh and at an.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Open Championship qualifier, Charlie Wood shot in eight US Open
Championship qualifier Charlie Wood shot eighty one, did not advance.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
That's the press, all.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
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