August 14, 2024 • 53 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the latest with the Brandon Aiyuk situation and brings up the risk of holding in being that the team might see a younger player that could take his place.
Doug weighs in on how Dabo Swinney has chosen to run his program without using transfers. Doug and the crew talk about the TB12 diet in this week's edition of "The Midway".
Doug welcomes New York Times Best-selling author Ian O'Conner on the show to talk about his new book: OUT OF THE DARKNESS: The Mystery of Aaron Rodgers (on sale where you get your books August 20, you can pre-order now)
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I am experiencing one of those rare dad days and
trying to balance out the old work life balance if
you will. Yeah. So, I'm broadcasting from my Alma Maters
football stadium. That's Oklahoma State Cowboys rank seventeenth in the
and across the street in the exact same dorm I first,
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nineteen ninety seven. My daughter Harper is moving in, so
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getting ready for her first night college and it's pretty
cool stuff, and it's it's weird, right, Like there's one
of those moments where you're like, oh, well, now they're
not here, but uh, she's She's the one who's been
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kind of a quasi adult for a couple of years anyway,
so uh, pretty fired up for her. But obviously it's
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you know, it's a weird thing. And then for life
to come full circle and to be your and our
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again weird. Weird's a big word right now, but this
is a different kind of weird than the word in
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social media. Welcome in Stug Gotleap Show on Fox Sports Radio.
There is a lot, a lot to get to. You know.
I like this story because we've been talking about a
lot the holdouts and the hold ins and Brandon a
yuk continues to hold out hold in whatever. The Niners
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and the Steelers reportedly have the framework of a deal
in place, but the forty nine ers are still trying
to work out a deal for a Yuk right it's
the old idea of like, look, you can go there
and make a little bit more money, or you can
stay here and you know, be successful. Here's George Kittle,
his tight end on the wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I love having him as a teammate.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
But like, the one benefit to him not practicing and
stuff is a lot of younger guys get all these
reps and they get a they're getting important reps with
the ones and with Brock that they wouldn't be getting,
you know otherwise. And I'm not going to take probably
any rookie over Brandon, Like I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
But the fact that now these young guys get these reps.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
It's going to put them in a position to succeed
if we can't figure stuff out with Brandon, and they'll
be more ready for a season as opposed to like
just riding the like one with the twos and threes
the whole time.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So, you know, it just it just kind of his
what it.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Is, No, it definitely is what it is, inst never
what it's not. But he brings up a great point.
This is the old for people who know in television,
Jay Leno, right. Jay Leno famously famously would never take
a night off. And his reason for never taking a
night off is he didn't want anybody else to come
in and do a better job than Jay Leno did, right,
reading some cue cards, having some pregnant pauses, doing some interviews,
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talking about his fancy car collection. It's like, look, if
I don't take a night off, then nobody can come
in and show they're better than me, and I'll just again,
I'll be honest with you. That's kind of how I've
always been wired. Like I'd love to look back and
see how many days off in my life I still
have a crude because I don't take them off. Today's
example now should be pointing out today is a pretty
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special day. Ian O'Connor, who fantastic writer and of course author.
He's written the was It Unauthorized biography of Aaron Rodgers.
He's going to join us at half past the hour,
So it's like one of those like I didn't really
want to take the day off because I want to
talk to Ian about his process the book, what Aaron
(04:09):
said about it, what we know, what we don't know,
Like i'd actually think, and I mean this not just
because we're having him on. If there's one current sports
figure that we all know but we don't know, and
yet we're interested in what he's really like. And the
fact that he didn't really contribute to the book, although
(04:30):
he did answer some questions at some point after most
of the book and sourcing was done. I think it's
just perfect timing for Aaron Rodgers coming off in Achilles
in New York, the fact that you know he went
on his own personal vacation instead of going to off
season training like all of that stuff. The timing could
not be better for a book, and the person couldn't
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be better for a book that we want to learn
more about than Aaron Rodgers, because he's this not nefarious
creature but definitely a notorious kind of clandestine figure where
people know he's dated a lot of women, but people
don't know what makes him tick. And that's what this book,
I believe, is mostly here to tell us, but not
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from a second and third person perspective, not from a
first person perspective. But getting back to Ayuk, that's the
reality of it. Like if you don't practice for all
of training camp, all it takes is for people to
fall in love with their guys and oh yeah, by
the way. That's I think the biggest issue with being
traded to somewhere right where the Pittsburgh Steelers sitting there
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going like, yeah, we have George Pickens. He may not
live up to his athletic talent and we have an
issue at quarterback. But man, you know, I like this guy,
and I like that guy and like the other guy.
You end up loving the guys that you see, you see,
you know, and then you start talking yourself into like,
well we keep him. It's going to cost us thirty
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million dollars. We don't keep them. This guy costs us
a million dollars? What are we been talking about? And
I do think that being wally pipped is too dated.
And the truth is, Jay Stu, you and I discussed
this before the show. Even saying you got bloodsod, even
say you got bledsode is an issue right because Drew
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Bledsoe when he got hurt and Tom Brady came in.
That was two thousand and one. That's two thousand and one,
was the first game after nine to eleven, And uh
was it Mo who is the linebacker for the Jets
who hit him and knocked him into the next week
knocked to knock Bledsoe in the next week, Mo Mo
(06:42):
Mo Mo Lewis, Mo Lewis hit him, but even to say, like,
of course, Wallypip was the guy who Lou Garrigg replaced
Lou Garrigg, who is the iron horse. Wallypip never got
his job back, you know, Mo Lewis, now again this
wasn't a holdout. But Lewis not. Drew Bledsoe in the
next week, Drew Bledsoe never got his job back, And
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the question becomes the San Francisco Final for Niners sit
there and go like, eh, we're fine, because that's kind
of where they are at quarterback. It'd be interesting to
see what they do with brock Party because at quarterback,
I think they got to the point with Jimmy Garoppo
like it's a lot of money, he's always hurt. We're fine.
And whether you want to call it Drew Bledsoe or
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while he pipped or or whomever, or you know not,
you know, not wanting to You don't want to run
the risk of somebody else performing your job better. I,
by the way, I do that all the time when
I'm off. I don't listen, I don't look at the comments.
I know, everybody's gonna he's better than your show. It's terrifying,
absolutely terrifying the motivator, but it's terrifying. But the holdouts
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hold ins. The the least discussed part about it is like,
while you're holding out or while you're holding in, somebody
else is getting run those same routes and they're doing
it for cheaper, right, And we could sit there and
go like, why do you want to go cheaper? Who
doesn't When you put out a bid for something, you
may not go to lowest bidder, but you definitely go
to a lower bidder. Why do you think so many
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of the things that we have are made overseas not
because we don't like American workers, It's because man, American
workers and unions cost more. You know, it's the same thing.
We call it agism, But a lot of times people
who are younger now, when they're younger, there's there's other
issues that come with it. Lack of experience in both
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the workforce and in professional sports. Okay, you don't know
what the quality is going to be like when it
really matters. The most same thing when you're overseas and
it's a factory and you don't have controls over those things,
but there are some benefits, and cost being a benefit,
but also the chance to see and get opportunities and
get reps a massive benefit that Brandon Ayuk is frankly
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donating to several young wide receivers from the niners S
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, we got
a really good show. Happy about it, excited about it.
By the way, Ceedee Lambs wants Micah Parson wants a
new contract. Michael Parsons of course talking about CDE Lamb's money.
That's it's kind of a scene as in no. Now,
you do see the pattern here right, wide receivers wanting
new contracts, holding out, holding in what is it comparison
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is the thief of joy. And yet all these wide
receivers compare themselves to other wide receivers that have gotten paid.
I just Jason knows this. I tire, I tire of
talking about contract extensions like you're under contract. Okay, if
you think you're going to get more money because you're
holding out, like, good luck to you. No one wants
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to see anybody get hurt, especially non contact stuff. But
I'm telling you, I still think the best way to
get paid is to threaten to hold out or to
hold in. But go out there and perform and show
that you're all in, because once they see you and
see how much better you are than the other guys
around you, the more likely they are to pay you.
But every year we have these holdouts holdings. Le'Veon Bell
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was the last guy to hold out for a whole
season and that did not work out well for him.
I wouldn't be scared at all if I was one
of these teams.
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You know, there's there's a lot of interesting stuff this
year in college football, and I think I've told people.
I've told you guys as well. Obviously that I think
the most interesting team is Oklahoma. Oklahoma's rank sixteenth in
the country. But we really have no idea. I do
feel when I say we have no idea, feel like
I put him in away.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
We got no idea about Oklahoma and what they look
back this year in the VACA. You know, they they
opened up the SEJA against Tennessee. Then they go to Auburn,
and then they got the Red River rivalry with Taxis,
and then you got out there Land with the course
you hot the coach, and then oh.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Matt down the road did the you know you guys
that did unbelievable at Mefi're there to top the Grove,
and then they got Alabama and home they go to
Majority who coach used to be in the Big Twelve
and the Big Eight with them, and then LSU end
the season. Anyway, Oklahoma's super, super interesting, But I got
to tell you that Clemson's right there, and obviously, the
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the tie that binds Oklahoma and Clemson is well, it's
it's it's pretty obvious to those of us who know
college football. That's because the head coach of Oklahoma's Brent
Fettibles and when they won the national championship. He was
their defensive coordinator. So Clemson two years ago was was,
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frankly had fallen off, you know, fallen off off an
incredibly lofty perch. And I mean this is a program
that under Dabos Sweeney. You go back and it's it's
crazy what he's done. Crazy, right, first year nine and seven,
after being an interim head coach, then six and seven,
then ten and four, eleven and two, eleven and two,
ten and three, fourteen and one, fourteen and one, twelve
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and two, fifteen, zhin in a national championship, fourteen and one,
ten and two, ten and three, eleven and three, and
then nine and four. But of course the ACC has
been a bit down. And look when you're four and
four in conference play last year, uh, you know everybody's
gonna come out with the knives and say you've basically
forgotten what you're doing, or you either don't know what
you're doing or you've forgotten how to do it, or
(13:18):
this new world of college football just doesn't fit you. Right,
You'll get that from a lot pild. It doesn't fit
you if you're if you're Dabbo, I'm here to tell you.
I think what Dabo's trying to do is the way
that most of us are trying to do in college basketball. Now. Look,
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I understand from from Justin Fields. You go to Michael
Pennix and Bo Nixon. These are all transfer portal quarterbacks.
Some grad transfer, some trystal now transfer portal guys. But
the transfer portal is a real thing, and other teams
have been very, very successful, and it does feel like
it's past comeson by Clemson's trying to stay out of
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the portal and trying to do at old school recruit
and retain and improve who you got the old expression
in or maybe the new expression don't if it's old
I've I've heard for a while, but the expression in
college sports is the most important recruits you have are
the ones on your roster on campus. And Dabbo believes that.
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And look, I understand that Yukon went out and got
what Cam Spencer and they had a couple of transfers
on last year's team, but they also built from within,
improve from within. Purdue, who lost in the National championship game,
they only had one guy out of the portal both
the past two years. I think retaining the guys you
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have building camaraderie, building cohesion, building culture. It's hard to
build culture when you have new guys every year. You
look at USC and lots of schools have had this
where the initial push, the initial push out of the portal,
you have a good first year, but then all of
a sudden, you got to backfill all those holes. Whereas
if you recruit true freshmen and some of them you play,
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and you retain by year three and by year four
they played together enough, they've played together enough that they're
able to overcome the fact that some teams have a
little bit better athletic talent. I understand the outside world
is saying, Dabo's an idiot, Dabo doesn't always doing Dabbo's
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a denier. It's like he's a flat earther. He doesn't
want to even talk about the portal. I don't think
that's what's I think this is a cognitive decision. We
can play the portal, everybody's playing the portal everybody, or
we can be the one team that recruits, retains and
improves our current roster. And it hasn't worked a ton
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in college football at the highest level. It has worked
in college football, and you're only going to know if
you have somebody who has the time on their contract,
the support of I think Graham neph as their ad
the support of their athletic director to withstand the years
like last year, and then keep those same dudes, keep
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those same dudes. All right, we got a lot to
get to here still this hour in the go ahead,
Nick Nicope.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
Oh, I was just gonna add I just read there
are four schools in the country that didn't bring in
a single transfer this year. One is clems in the
other three are service academies.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Well they can't. They can't. That's why you know they
can't bring in transfers. Yeah, no, listen, it's a different
way of doing it, and it has not worked yet.
But the keyword is yet. I would bet that it'll work.
I would bet that it'll work. And does it work
meaning national championship? No, but college fatall playoff? Well know
(16:57):
pretty soon because they played Georgia at the start the season, right, Yeah,
go ahead, Sammy.
Speaker 8 (17:02):
My question is this, so if they're not if Clemson
is not accepting transfer transfer portal players, what do they
do when guys decide they want to transfer out of
high school?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
High school?
Speaker 8 (17:12):
He's all in on high school high school, but I
mean lose, Okay, so you're gonna you mean, so the
incoming class is it's going to be overloaded, is what
we're thinking. Is what we're saying.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
It gonna be high school players, the way it's always been,
always was done, right.
Speaker 8 (17:23):
But I mean, like if you if you're losing guys
who aren't.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
See also you could also technically take junior college kids, right,
but yeah, you know, if you're losing kids, their seniors
are screwed. You gotta play with high school players.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
What if you're losing like the freshman or a sophomore,
you have to replace those guys. Who are you replacing
with freshmen? Right?
Speaker 7 (17:39):
But so you have to overload your incoming class. He's
just backfilling with high school. He there's an interview back
in the spring. I mean he sees he was like
he said, hey, guys are transferring from high school.
Speaker 8 (17:49):
You know that that that that was his terminology. That
was the way he sees it.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So yeah, now, I mean listen, I'll just tell you, so,
I have twelve on scholarship currently, I do have unopen.
We don't start school till the fourth and but we
have several walk ons that are talented enough to either
get a scholarship this year next year. Now, next year
we're told that there's this new rule. What the power
fires gonna do, we probably will as well. What scho
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Our roster limits will be at fifteen, but our scholarships
also can get to fifteen, so we can roll a
couple of these walk ons. And my goal is I
have only two of the seventeen currently on the roster.
Only two will be out of eligibility at the end
of this year. Now I'm not a dope, like I
know there's a couple that leave. My goal is to
keep as many of them. If I had all fifteen
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of those back, it would be amazing, and I know
I'd be the better because of it. And I understand
it's a different sport. It's a lower level than Clemson
what they're trying to do at college football, But there
are many people, myself included, believe you're going to First
of all, it cost you less to retain players, just
in terms of nil and dollars. Costs you less to
keep players than does to go out and get new ones,
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and you don't have to reteach them, and a lot
of times, even really talented players when you bring them in,
like it's a little bit like using somebody else's remote control.
It could still be you know, spectrum and direct TV
or AT and tu VERSU or whatever you know, or
you can do the apps thing, but if it's somebody
else's remote control, you're like, I don't really, it takes
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you a while to relearn it. Terminology is different, your
style is different, Like sometimes those things are wired the
wrong way and you got to like rewire them. You
don't have time. And if you take a transfer portal
kid in Okay, you're kind of taking in somebody who
is unhappy somewhere else. They're unhappy for another reason. And
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that and the one thing you learn and I learned
this frankly from you know therapy, right, which is they
always tell you, like, hey, even when a relationship goes bad,
you need to try and learn from it and fix
whatever within you is either irritating or led to the
disintegration of that relation, because if not, you'll carry that
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over to the next relationship, right, you know, Like if
you're somebody who doesn't who abandons your spouse, for example,
you're gonna be in a spouse abandon or no matter
who your spouse is, is not just because of that person,
you know, and then they got to work through their
own stuff. Well like in college football, again you're abandoning,
your leaving a relationship. There's some issue there. The issue
may be money, but even then, okay, like you go
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play somewhere just for the money, like there's something to
that previous relationship which caused you to want to leave
just for dollars. You don't have any time. There's no
rehab process in it. You go from one school, you
transfer to the next. Your expectations are and based upon where
you are salary wise to play right away. And again
you may be wired differently. I think this way works eventually.
I don't know if it's this year, but just because honestly,
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their schedule is ridiculous, right, Like the three toughest games
in their schedule are at or Georgia and they play
in the with the Falcons play Mercedes Benz Dome, and
which you know, it's a home game for Georgia, but
it's only two and a half hours away from Clemson.
It will be fifty to fifty. So you got Georgia,
you got Florida State, in the road and you got
Virginia Tech on the road. Like, those are tough, tough games,
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But I think this way works. And he's got a
fan in me, like do I think you need to
stick your like not take any but God bless him.
Like he's got the longevity's contract, he's won national championship,
he's won more games than anybody in the history Clemson football.
He's going to do it, and I do think eventually
it works.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
It Doug more to your point, why do you think
Dabo doesn't get maybe a little more benefit of the
doubt because they had an all six straight College Football
playoff appearance is a ridiculous run, and it feels like
that just gets easily forgotten when people talk about Clemson
now and Dabo Sweeney.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
You know, part of it is, I think people are
massively overreactionary. Part of it is they don't understand just
how much the landscape has changed. But part of it
is they, you know, people struggle with people who do
think differently. And it's a long play now short play,
you know, it's a long playing on a short play.
I mean, look, I hear people saying things about Lincoln
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Riley which are just asinine. Like, look, Lincoln Riley took
over a program that was a complete disaster. They didn't
recruit well, they didn't coach well, they weren't tough they
had they didn't have the fabric. And Caleb Williams and
a couple offensive recruits helped kind of put a band
aid on it for a short period of time. But eventually,
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when you're not good upfront, you're not tough upfront, like
it's you're gonna get exposed. And that's what happened. And
the league was really good last year. But like, doesn't
mean he's an idiot. It's a long term plan and
it's gonna work. But I just, I just college football
fans are probably the best and the worst. They're massively overreactionary,
and whatever you did last year is all that they
care about, not what you've done over the last fifteen
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twenty years. I mean, just take my Gundhy for example.
I'm sitting here in Boompicken Stadium. You go back two
years ago, right, and they had massive upheaval. They fail
finished with a ton of injuries and they lost. I
think they're like the last four games, including last game
to West Virginia, which is terrible here at home, and
then last year got off to a slugger start but
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then finished strong, retained a bunch of their players, worked
it out in the portal, and Gundhi's a genius now
again and the ranks seventeenth of the country. But you
go back a year ago and it was what had
you done lately, despite the fact that he has had
twenty years of sustained success in a conference which they
struggled for a long time in So it's it's just
as it's a sports culture thing but also a college
(23:31):
football thing where we're overreactionary to what we've seen lately.
Stuck ot lib show here on Fox Sports Tradio, Middle
of the day, Middle of the show, Middle of the week.
Let's get to the midway. He's not getting in the middle.
Speaker 8 (23:42):
It's time for Stu the middle.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
The midway. I love this topic. Which Jay stud you
come up with this? Or is this Sammy? Who was it?
Speaker 8 (23:52):
This was an Iowa Sam idea? I like it a
wop Sam.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Go ahead, Well.
Speaker 8 (24:01):
Do you have? You have Caleb Williams rookie sensation for
the Bears. He is going to be starting the TB
twelve diet, which U is very restrictive, mostly tells you
what you can't eat. Jason, would you like to do?
You have that in front of the list?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I got it?
Speaker 8 (24:19):
Yeah, dogs got it?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah. No No dairy, nu's milk, cheese, yogurt, ice cream,
no bea, no wine, no alcohol of any kind, No bacon,
no sausage, no deli meats, no red meat. Red meat
should also be avoided. Pasta, bread, cereal, baked goods no,
no prepackaged stacks, chips, cookies no, no white sugar, high
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fruit dose, corn syrup, refined sugars no nos cakes, pastries,
candies no, no wheat rye barley, eh tomatoes, egg plants
love eggplants and eggplants on Twitter also should be avoided. Peppers, potatoes,
no beans, musical fruit, no lentils, no chickpeas, I mean's,
no kumos, so kumos, no soy products, no can oil,
(25:05):
no soybean oil, no refine oil, no trans fat or
hydra hydro genatedrogenated oil, he driving tools, no coffee wait
hold on now, stop that right now. No caffeinated teaste
or energy drinks. No packaged fruit juices, certain fruits, table salt,
and no MSG Cramer wouldn't be able to do that.
(25:29):
Could you pull off this diet? Jays Tuo?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I think most of our listeners are asking the same
question that I am thinking. What can you eat?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Chicken, chicken, fish, avocado, avocado, lots of vegetables outside of
tomatoes and eggplants, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Some fruits, and then a lot of the TB twelve
protein powders and poms, which is sore.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
That's the key here. I think goops powders.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I think you're signing up for like five figure of
protein powders and protein bars a month. I could not
do this. I've done something similar. I did the Yatkins diet,
which is basically nothing but protein, and it works lots
(26:17):
of weight loss, and then your cravings for food are
outrageous when you get out of the diet and try
to go back to normal. I don't know if I
could do this, Doug.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I could do it, and I could do it, and
I would I would tell you, like, I had this
discussion with my coaching staff last week and I was like, look,
you know, I work with a several different people. I'm
a before the TV twelve die. There's a dack called
the zone diet that's forty thirty thirty carbs, thirty percent protein,
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thirty percent monoinsaturated fats. But the carbs come from fruits
and vegetables, not from complex carbs. I'm a huge believer
in that, and I think what you find when you're
really eating right is yes, you eat more, but you
don't put on bad weight because don't you eat a ton.
You just eat, eat, eat, but you eat a tons calories. Yeah,
(27:15):
you can have. There's calories to be had there, dude,
just good calories.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
It's like it's like going back in the atmosphere. If
you're like a space shuttle. You got to get through
that atmosphere. It's gonna just stuff's gonna burn.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Up to do burn up, you burn up. But you
know you'd like you do chicken salad with with oil,
olive oil and vinegar dressing. You know, you do that
for lunch. You know, you do grilled chicken or grilled fish,
you know, with vegetables for dinner.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Uh, Honestly, the one that I would struggle most with
their coffee, the coffee. But a lot of the belief
in the TV twelve is not just about staying away
from the complex carbs and the bad fats, but also
about fruits especially that cause inflammation. And that's just a
fascinating thing that is really kind of the key to
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this diet, that separates it from other things.
Speaker 8 (28:07):
Here's my thing though, because if you look about like
all the fad diets over the years, the founders of
them have really only like lived into their sixties and seventies.
The only exception is Jack Laine, who was like the
power juicer guy and big weightlifter back in the like
the nineteen fifties and sixties. He really kind of started
all that and he lived to be in his nineties.
But a lot of these people, like the Atkins guy
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died in his like late sixties, early seventies. Like these diets,
they're like they're the research might be, you know, favorable
in the moment or in vogue in the moment, but
I think that it's just about moderation and it's about
mixing up your diet, keeping it diverse. I just and
another thing, like Tom Brady, like people who are just
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born skinny. There it's just easier to stick to a
diet if you're skinny. Like it's just for a lot
of people this TV twelve diet. It is just ridiculous,
Like I couldn't give up hummus, I couldn't. I you know,
I couldn't. Let's see, let's let's look at the you know, tomato,
like what do you what do you say to an
Italian or someone on a Mediterranean diet or from the
Middle East, like tomato and chickpea are up staple of
(29:12):
their of their diet. And as last time I checked,
a lot of those people are in you know, somewhat
decent shape or not morbidly obese overweight. So I just
think that some of this is ridiculous and there's not
no real scientific backing behind it, or if there is,
it's can be easily debated by another nutritionists with another
point of view.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
Nick no way, I almost say I'm very much a
moderation guy. I try to avoid many process things, don't eat,
don't eat a ton of bread, a little bit here
and there. But I think these things have to be
very intuitive because I also think, uh, Jason and I
(29:52):
were speaking before, like every body is different. Like my
wife can eat things that upset herst make or feel terrible.
I'm fine with it. So I think It's about eating intuitively,
figuring out what works for you, what feels you the best,
and then going from there. I don't think it necessarily
requires something as extreme as the TV twelve die.
Speaker 8 (30:15):
Also, like blood, your blood type, your food allergies, those
all kind of come into play as well, getting to
know what your your body agrees with. I'm finding later
in life that you know, beer, although I like beer,
it just does it kind of wreaks havoc on me
a lot of different ways. So that's maybe something I
need to reduce. Maybe just drink if I want an
alcoholic beverage, maybe drink a hard kombucha instead. Maybe try
(30:37):
to supplement that in instead. But like you know this
TV twelve, no peppers, what does that mean? Bell peppers?
Does that mean halibuto? All peppers? Right? But our guy,
our guy, Jonas Knox, who is one of the co
hosts of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe early
mornings here on FSR, Bell peppers for him are like
a dessert. He eats them religiously.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
He's I love it and I love bell peppers. Yeah,
great vitamins in it. There's something something in it that
there's a science to it.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
You know and good for like people say, it's like,
you know, well top how.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
About how about this we got to run a one second.
What's the one thing on that list? I told you
coffee is the one I would struggle to give up.
What's the one thing you'd struggle to give up the most?
Speaker 8 (31:23):
I think for me it would be dairy, because I
hear there's a lot of help benefits to dairy. Obviously,
not like ice cream on time because it's sugar. But
for me, giving up dairy cheese especially is something that
would be really really difficult for me.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
To do you love Do you love cheese? Chase?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Do I'm too much of a sweet tooth. I need
sugar in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Cope red meat and didn't say I had to give
it up should be avoided all American?
Speaker 8 (31:48):
Okay, I don't. I don't want to avoid it.
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Speaker 1 (32:00):
Like he eats what eats everything?
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Yeah, yeah, he eats sneak all the time. And Al's
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Do you guys know what earworm is? I mean, Jay,
I'm sorry, I so, Jay stew Our steam producer. He's
got hearing issues. You said a cochlear implant. It's not.
It has nothing to do with an actual worm in
your ear. Sammy, do you know what what an earworm is?
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I do.
Speaker 8 (33:15):
And earworm is actually one of Jason Stewart's favorite words.
He uses it all the time.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
We're just talking about your famous earworms yesterday, and I
think the two examples that came to mind readily were
Proud Mary h Rolling down the River, and there was
another one that just gets in your head and you
can't get rid of it.
Speaker 8 (33:35):
Yes, this is a song that a hook or a
melody or a song that gets in your head and
it just keeps running in your head and you can't
get rid of it.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yes. A matter of fact, there's a Cranberry song that's
been remade, and my son and his buddy were singing
it and I just I finally I yell at him, like,
you guys got to stop. I can't hear it anymore.
You have an earworm. But you're passing up to me
like I can't do it.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
What's the song? I love the Cranberries?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Or Linger Linger?
Speaker 8 (34:07):
Who remade linger It's a great song. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
They were singing it and they were like, we just
heard it. I was like, no, it's well that's the
song when I was in high school. I think it
was remade anyway. Point is that earworms can't that also
sometimes sometimes when you say, like don't say the F word,
don't say the F word, don't say the word. What
(34:29):
do you always do? You say the F word? At
least that's how I am. I just you know, you
try and forget it. I bring that up, Yeah, I
do that because remember was he yesterday we found out
how Sonriddik wanted to be traded right or yesterday became
public that he wanted to be traded again. Remember was
traded in the off season by the Eagles to the Jets.
(34:50):
The Jets remain just really steadfast in their approach here
that they won him on the Jets. You all I
gotta do is take Robert Sala's Tuesday response for example,
when he was asked about the batter.
Speaker 9 (35:01):
It's not I promise you it's not. It's not frustrating
because I don't have control over it. But like I said,
we're excited about our group, still looking forward for him
to get here when he's ready, and when he's ready,
we're going to embrace them with open arms and to
get ready to attack the moments that he brings to us.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Here's his quarterback, Aaron Rodgers, talking about the star defensive player.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Aaron, what's your take.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
On a situation where a teammate requests to trade even
though he has yet to have a single practice with
that team.
Speaker 10 (35:26):
What there's always new things in the league that you know.
I've been around twenty years. I've seen a lot of stuff.
I think as players, we always first try and side
with the player, because you know what it's like to
be a player. I don't know him well. I've had
a couple messages with him. I believe when he got traded,
obviously we'd love for him to be here, but you know,
we don't judge him for trying to do what's best
for him. I think what's best for him is to
(35:47):
be a Jet because this is going to be a
fun ride. But you know, he's got to make the
best decision for him and his family.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Got to make the best Like I thought, that was
actually really really honest. I think I exchanged text us
they did I catch that? Can I hear that first
early response? I think I exchanged text message with him.
Let me take a listen one more time. I think he.
Speaker 8 (36:08):
Request the trade even though he has yet to have
a single practice.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
With that team.
Speaker 10 (36:12):
What has always new things in the league that you know.
I've been around twenty years, I've seen a lot of stuff.
I think as players, we always first try and side
with the player, because you know what it's like to
be a player.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
I don't know him.
Speaker 10 (36:23):
Well, I've had a couple messages with him.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I believe I've had a couple of messages with him.
I believe. I think. I'm not really sure if it
was him or not him. I don't know who it was.
Speaker 8 (36:37):
Maybe he was tripping on ayahuasca. I was changing.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I was so high at the time. Oh my god,
was that Hassan Reddick or is that Reddick Hassan? I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Oh Man, well, I believe I think is the old
Hassan probably reached out to him twice. And in the
middle of that answer, Aaron Rodgers like, I think I
ever got back to him.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
There's a couple of times did I press send? Did
I not? I've ever done that?
Speaker 8 (37:06):
By the way, to my drafts, Like, yeah, that's the
in corporate America, that's the most used excuse, and it's
not getting back to somebody. Come on, you did hit send?
Come on, I had those drafts.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Listen. I'll be completely honest. So when I got the
coaching job, I told you guys, I got twenty seven
hundred and thirteen messages and I thought I'd returned them all,
and then you know, I I then I went through
and I had hundreds upon hundreds of messages that were unread,
and yet I couldn't find them because after a month,
mne automatically get you know, I have that setting for
(37:42):
like one month? Is how I how long I hold
them for? Which probably that right?
Speaker 8 (37:45):
A month? My gosh, that's a quick trigger amount.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
It's a lot of time. You know, I'm a big texture,
a big texture.
Speaker 8 (37:51):
If you weren't a memory, if you weren't.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
If you weren't the one guy who would ruin all
uh g all uh chats because you're not on the
Apple platform, you would know this. You would be on
group chats more. But instead you're the complete you know,
group chat buzzkill because it always pops up green. You're
always like, man, did he block me? No, that's right.
He's the one guy with the motorola. Hope your flip
(38:15):
phone's doing well, JAYSU Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Anyway, I thought that was great, Like, yeah,
I don't I think I return his message. I think
I know him. It's probably good. We want him to play.
But the big thing is Robert Sally going like, nah,
not a distraction, not a distraction. Distraction. Who's distracted. I'm
not distracted because it's out of my control.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Mmmm.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Playing that mental mind game sounds really good. I don't
know if it actually works that way. I do like
the fact that Jets are like, we traded it for you.
You said you want to play under this contract. You
want to get a bigger contract by playing. Go play.
That's how all of our contracts work, right, I have
(39:01):
a what a year and a half left of my
Fox Sports Radio contract? What if I winn't go? Like,
you know, listen, I'm not doing anything until I get
a new contract. I'd like, Okay, we'll find somebody who
will stuck out leab show here on Fox Sports Radio.
That's the voice of Nick Cope. I O O'Connor will
joined us here half past the hour, and I just
(39:22):
I have to tell you, like, sometimes, what is this
Steve Martin line? Because and am I dating myself by
saying Steve Martin the comedian?
Speaker 3 (39:29):
No?
Speaker 8 (39:29):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
I mean, I listen, I I appreciate that, Sam, You're
an old soul.
Speaker 8 (39:35):
He's in the only murders in the building. Is a
very popular show right now. So I think he's very
he's still very relevant.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Okay, yes, So so he used to do stand up comedy.
I don't think he does stand up comedy anymore, but
he used to stand up comedy and one of his
big lines was, comedy is all about tie tie T timing, right,
And I think in many ways, book sales are the same, right,
They're they're the same. And if we were to be
(40:01):
honest and we were to say, like, who do you
really want to know about in sports? I think I
want to know about Kaitlyn Clark. I mean, there's no
bigger name right now in sports than Kaitlin Clark. That's fair.
I think i'd probably want to know about Kayleb Williams.
He seems interesting. Definitely, gen Z definitely of a different
kind of evolution pattern than the old school quarterbacks. I
would like to know about kind of the last four
(40:23):
or five years of Tom Brady. It seems like obviously
the team switch the Super Bowl the way it ended,
the retirement, come back to divorce, all those things now
into broadcasting after a year of you know, a year
of kind of taking a year off, Like all those
things are interesting but as we get ready for the
football season. Last year, the first week of the season,
(40:48):
we were just waiting, waiting, waiting for Monday Night football,
and Aaron Rodgers ran out onto the MetLife Field with
the American flag. You're like, this is incredible. You have
to be a Jets fan, like Aaron Rodgers is a Jet.
This really happened. And of course there's the parallel to
Brett Favre becoming a Jet as well. Five plays any Taries'
Achilles attendant. And you know, then there's been the McAfee appearances,
(41:13):
you know, no showing on some off season activities to
go to Egypt and uh and Aaron generally being Aaron.
But when you're trying to find a figure that people
want to learn about, that they know of and think
they know some about, I can't tell you how good
at timing this is. With the book, it's called Out
of the Darkness, The Mystery of Aaron Rodgers and so on.
(41:35):
So where you get your books August twentieth, you can
pre order now and it's authored by an outstanding author
of New York Times bestselling author In O'Connor joints it
down on the Doug Gatlib show on Fox Sports Radio. I
mentioned how good the timing is and leading up to
you joining us IAN, when did you start this process?
When did you say I got to write about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 11 (41:54):
Hey, Doug, first, congratulations on the coaching job and thanks
for having me on. I actually was under contract to
write a biography of Lebron James, and then another Lebron
James book was in the works that I was unaware of.
So that comes out, and I'm thinking there's going to
be some Lebron fatigue here if I go forward with
this project. At the same time, Aaron got traded into
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my backyard in New York, and I thought he was
the most polarizing player in the NFL and also maybe
the most prominent American male athlete who hasn't had a
defining bio written about him. So I essentially traded Lebron
for Aaron. Hopefully that was a good trade, and I'll
leave that up to the readers. But I've always been
I don't know about you, but I've always been fascinated
(42:35):
by him from Afar. He's a mystifying character. Obviously, obviously
in recent years he has changed in terms of his
public image. I mean he's become a villain. He was
not a villain before COVID No, but that's changed, and
so that definitely interested me as well, just to dive
into how he changed, why he changed, and just why
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he is the way he is.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
What is what's your process like? What's your process like?
Speaker 11 (43:02):
Our process is just calling as many people as humanly
possible who were in his life, I mean, starting in
elementary school, teachers, classmates, and really I started this book
in chapter one with his grandfather, who was an amazing
World War two combat pilot, and that story had never
been told, who flew forty four missions against the Hitler
war machine and had some amazing acts of heroism and
(43:25):
valor that had never been reported before. So that actually
is chapter one is two generations prior, and Aaron did
not know really almost any of the details of his
grandfather's service. And he is buried in Arlington National for
a reason. He was one of the greatest members of
the Greatest Generation. So those are the stories I love
(43:45):
to tell in these books. Unfortunately, of course, with his
family estrangement, that had to be a part of it.
One thing Doug that I appreciated was when I explained
that to Aaron, you understand I have to write about
this family division. He understood, and a lot of superstar
athletes I've been around would not have understood that.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
So quick backstory, there was about probably a year and
a half where Aaron and I were friendly via text.
We hung out the final four to one year. He
did let me in on a little bit of his backstory,
and I don't want you to give away the whole book,
But what happened was obviously his brother made it public
(44:23):
that there was a rift in the family when he
was on the Bachelorette, right, and then everybody's like, oh,
he Aeron doesn't even get on. What were you able
to discern? Was that? Was it all Olivia Munn when
she was she the Yoko that split up this family?
Speaker 11 (44:37):
No, I think the family believed that, or some family
members believe that. But he hasn't dated her in seven years,
and this estrangement has become a sort of a living
organism that Aaron doesn't know how to kill off. But
when he started that relationship in twenty fourteen, he entered
that relationship with thoughts already about his family, and his
family members disagree with this, by the way, but his
(45:00):
perception was that his generosity with them was not being
fully appreciated. He thought the family unit revolved too much
around his fame and success. And Olivia notarized those feelings.
She agreed with him that was her role in it.
And I think it's really unfair to lay the blame
all at her feet. Now she was a part of it,
but again, he hasn't been with her for a long time.
(45:22):
And he had issues with his brothers, both of them.
And the big issue with Jordan was, you go on
to bachelorette and you make this estrangement part of the narrative,
and you put two open chairs at the dinner table
signifying that I wasn't there with Olivia. Meanwhile, I wasn't
even invited to that filming, and so he was really
upset by that. He was upset by some other things
(45:43):
that his older brother Luke did. They were upset with
him skipping a wedding and other family functions. And if
you really look at the fifteen reasons for this estrangement,
a lot of them are fairly minor and petty issues,
and so it needs to end. There was a meeting
I have in the book with a father and emotional
meeting last summer at Lake Tahoe that lasted thirty seconds
(46:04):
at the golf tournament there, but it was emotional. They
told each other I love you, and hopefully that's the
first baby step towards a reconciliation.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah. I had been told not by Aaron, but by
others that there was also a religious aspect to it
to where they were. The family is very very religious,
and he and some people thought it was Olivia, but
he's just not and that and that left a rift
in terms of, you know, their feeling.
Speaker 11 (46:32):
Yeah, that, by the way, that is true, that that
was apartment of it. Early on, they were devali religious,
particularly his mother, and she was really against premaro sex.
So even when he was in the NFL, and I
think after he won the Super Bowl, she was concerned
about him sharing hotel rooms with a girlfriend. And so, yeah,
that impacted him. And now he's not religious at all,
He's just he calls himself spiritual. So that was a
(46:55):
part of it more early on, not so much right now.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
How how did he view how it ended in Green Bay?
Speaker 11 (47:07):
Listen, I think, of course he had the darkness retreat
and he realized that they were ready to move on
to Jordan Love. He also needed a new challenge and
it ended there once they missed the playoffs, and it
looked that game against Detroit his final game, you could
tell it was over. It was clear. Maybe it lasted
one year or too long, and they should have traded
them a year earlier. But the Jets are sitting there
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is a perfect opportunity for Aaron and he knew that
because Tom Brady's got seven rings and he's got one,
he's certainly never going to catch him. But if he
realized New York City, if I win a championship for
a Charlie Brown franchise that has a biblical drought, hasn't
been to a Super Bowl since January of nineteen sixty nine,
that's going to feel like three or four rings, not one.
(47:52):
So I thought it was a smart play on his end.
I think he realized that now. Of course, last year
was a disaster. Maybe the football gods finally owe Jets
fans won and Aaron Rodgers won, and this year will
be the opposite of last year. We'll see how it
plays out.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trail. That's the
voice of Ian O'Connor, who has written the book Out
of the Darkness. Obviously, Out of the Darkness is a
type of the Captain of the Darkness retreat. And you
know a lot has been made about his ayahuasca ayahuasca retreats.
Is this something new or has he been doing this
throughout his career ayahuasca.
Speaker 11 (48:28):
No, it started in twenty twenty. So his good friend
Jordan Russell, who by the way, he kicked out of
his life for three years too, but he brought him
back into his life. Jordan Russell goes to Peru experiences
a ceremony with ayahuasca. He returns and says to Aaron,
You've got to try this. This is great. So Aaron
and Danica Patrick's girlfriend at the time, go to Peru
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in twenty twenty. They sit for some ceremonies. He feels
like it's a spiritual cleansing. He becomes a better man,
a better football player. Even it feels like, basically the
way Jordan Russell described it to me is that ayahuasca
is like a lucid dream with embedded messages, and he
just come to terms with yourself when you're sitting there
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in a ceremony and you learn things about yourself, and
Aaron said it improved his relationships with other people. I
don't know why that didn't work with his family, but anyway,
he felt that he was a new man, a new
football player. So he's going to use it for the
rest of his career and beyond. But that started and
actually the virus was approaching Peru and they were about
(49:33):
to close the border, so it was really a race
to the border to get out in time before they
closed down the country. And he just made it. But
I suspect that'll be a part of his life going forward.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
What was life like for him when he was rehabbing
the Achilles.
Speaker 11 (49:48):
It was the early hours Douga that were really grim
and dark. He had a trainer, Aaron Alexander's name has
not been out there, but he essentially moved into his
house and worked with him NonStop. Alexander told me that
there were times when Aaron it was so dark. He
was like, the Jets don't even want me back. I'm done.
I can't overcome this, I can't make it. He did
(50:10):
overcome those thoughts and towards the end of the year.
Back in NFL history, there's training if you rush back
and retear it. That's the end of your career. Let's
just wait till twenty twenty four. Aaron said, Nope. If
the Jets win on December seventeenth in Miami, I'm playing
(50:31):
on Christmas Eve against Washington and the Jets got blown
out by thirty points in Miami, so it was a
moot point. So the comeback was delayed. Now to this year.
It's a mulligan and we'll see if again the football
gods will finally finally smile on the fatalistic fan base
of the New York Jets.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
How does he want to be remembered.
Speaker 11 (50:55):
I think as an all time great who on the
field off the field, that he was fearless, and I
think that's the one thing I'll give him credit for.
I don't agree with a lot of things he has
said and beliefs that he holds, but he is never
fearful of the consequences of stating his position, and very
few public figures are like that, and so that's usually
(51:17):
a commendable trait. But he does have some far out
ideas on the world and the people running it, so
it hasn't really helped him. There been some unforced errors
the COVID thing two thousand and one in August, when
he said, yeah, I've been immunized, that mistake, that self
inflicted wound. And by the way, he admitted to me
that was a mistake, and he would do that differently
(51:38):
if given a mulligan. He has not recovered from that.
I mean, he turned into a villain that day, and
unfortunately he has not made up that ground and fully
recovered from it.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
You know, he paid you, I thought an incredible compliment
when he was interviewal with yesterday the day before we
played the cut where he talked about the thoroughness of
your process for people who don't know I Connor. Joining
Us out of the Darkness is his latest book. It's
about Aaron Rodgers. Just how thorough is your process? Because again,
this is not something where you go and right sit
(52:10):
with him and he tell and you have your recorder
and he tells you what to say and what happened.
You interviewed a wide gamut of people. Give me a
sense of just how wide that Gama was.
Speaker 11 (52:19):
Yeah, and I'll explain it to you like I explained
it to him. And that was right after his press conference,
his first one with the jets after the trade was made.
Is I talked to hundreds of people and people from
every aspect of your life, those willing to engage me anyway,
And yeah, I think that's the only way to do it.
And that's how I uncovered the story of his grandfather
and his world ward TiO service and finding confidential military
(52:44):
records and so forth and anyway. So at the end
of that two minute spiel, I said, by the way,
do you have any questions about my process? And he said, yeah,
I've got a question. Do you plan on interviewing me
for this book? And I said, I'd love to, of course,
that's up to you. I went months and months with
him not responding to my request for an interview. He
(53:04):
showed a lot of indifference, but I think I warmed
down that I contacted so many friends who then texted
him for permission to talk to me, that he realized
this was a deadly serious project to me and I
was trying to get it right.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Well, Ian, I know when you do anything, you do
it right, you do it thoroughly. I can't wait to
read the book. It comes out August twentieth. It's called
Out of the Darkness. The Mystery of Aaron Rogers. The
great Ian O'Connor New York Times best selling author, joining
us Ian. Thanks so much for your time. We really
appreciate it.
Speaker 11 (53:31):
Hey, my pleasure, Doug, good luck this year.
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social media. Welcome in Stug Gotleap Show on Fox Sports Radio.
There is a lot, a lot to get to. You know.
I like this story because we've been talking about a
lot the holdouts and the hold ins and Brandon a
yuk continues to hold out hold in whatever. The Niners
(02:10):
and the Steelers reportedly have the framework of a deal
in place, but the forty nine ers are still trying
to work out a deal for a Yuk right it's
the old idea of like, look, you can go there
and make a little bit more money, or you can
stay here and you know, be successful. Here's George Kittle,
his tight end on the wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I love having him as a teammate.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
But like, the one benefit to him not practicing and
stuff is a lot of younger guys get all these
reps and they get a they're getting important reps with
the ones and with Brock that they wouldn't be getting,
you know otherwise. And I'm not going to take probably
any rookie over Brandon, Like I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
But the fact that now these young guys get these reps.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
It's going to put them in a position to succeed
if we can't figure stuff out with Brandon, and they'll
be more ready for a season as opposed to like
just riding the like one with the twos and threes
the whole time.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So, you know, it just it just kind of his
what it.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Is, No, it definitely is what it is, inst never
what it's not. But he brings up a great point.
This is the old for people who know in television,
Jay Leno, right. Jay Leno famously famously would never take
a night off. And his reason for never taking a
night off is he didn't want anybody else to come
in and do a better job than Jay Leno did, right,
reading some cue cards, having some pregnant pauses, doing some interviews,
(03:26):
talking about his fancy car collection. It's like, look, if
I don't take a night off, then nobody can come
in and show they're better than me, and I'll just again,
I'll be honest with you. That's kind of how I've
always been wired. Like I'd love to look back and
see how many days off in my life I still
have a crude because I don't take them off. Today's
example now should be pointing out today is a pretty
(03:49):
special day. Ian O'Connor, who fantastic writer and of course author.
He's written the was It Unauthorized biography of Aaron Rodgers.
He's going to join us at half past the hour,
So it's like one of those like I didn't really
want to take the day off because I want to
talk to Ian about his process the book, what Aaron
(04:09):
said about it, what we know, what we don't know,
Like i'd actually think, and I mean this not just
because we're having him on. If there's one current sports
figure that we all know but we don't know, and
yet we're interested in what he's really like. And the
fact that he didn't really contribute to the book, although
(04:30):
he did answer some questions at some point after most
of the book and sourcing was done. I think it's
just perfect timing for Aaron Rodgers coming off in Achilles
in New York, the fact that you know he went
on his own personal vacation instead of going to off
season training like all of that stuff. The timing could
not be better for a book, and the person couldn't
(04:52):
be better for a book that we want to learn
more about than Aaron Rodgers, because he's this not nefarious
creature but definitely a notorious kind of clandestine figure where
people know he's dated a lot of women, but people
don't know what makes him tick. And that's what this book,
I believe, is mostly here to tell us, but not
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from a second and third person perspective, not from a
first person perspective. But getting back to Ayuk, that's the
reality of it. Like if you don't practice for all
of training camp, all it takes is for people to
fall in love with their guys and oh yeah, by
the way. That's I think the biggest issue with being
traded to somewhere right where the Pittsburgh Steelers sitting there
(05:34):
going like, yeah, we have George Pickens. He may not
live up to his athletic talent and we have an
issue at quarterback. But man, you know, I like this guy,
and I like that guy and like the other guy.
You end up loving the guys that you see, you see,
you know, and then you start talking yourself into like,
well we keep him. It's going to cost us thirty
(05:55):
million dollars. We don't keep them. This guy costs us
a million dollars? What are we been talking about? And
I do think that being wally pipped is too dated.
And the truth is, Jay Stu, you and I discussed
this before the show. Even saying you got bloodsod, even
say you got bledsode is an issue right because Drew
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Bledsoe when he got hurt and Tom Brady came in.
That was two thousand and one. That's two thousand and one,
was the first game after nine to eleven, And uh
was it Mo who is the linebacker for the Jets
who hit him and knocked him into the next week
knocked to knock Bledsoe in the next week, Mo Mo
(06:42):
Mo Mo Lewis, Mo Lewis hit him, but even to say, like,
of course, Wallypip was the guy who Lou Garrigg replaced
Lou Garrigg, who is the iron horse. Wallypip never got
his job back, you know, Mo Lewis, now again this
wasn't a holdout. But Lewis not. Drew Bledsoe in the
next week, Drew Bledsoe never got his job back, And
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the question becomes the San Francisco Final for Niners sit
there and go like, eh, we're fine, because that's kind
of where they are at quarterback. It'd be interesting to
see what they do with brock Party because at quarterback,
I think they got to the point with Jimmy Garoppo
like it's a lot of money, he's always hurt. We're fine.
And whether you want to call it Drew Bledsoe or
(07:27):
while he pipped or or whomever, or you know not,
you know, not wanting to You don't want to run
the risk of somebody else performing your job better. I,
by the way, I do that all the time when
I'm off. I don't listen, I don't look at the comments.
I know, everybody's gonna he's better than your show. It's terrifying,
absolutely terrifying the motivator, but it's terrifying. But the holdouts
(07:52):
hold ins. The the least discussed part about it is like,
while you're holding out or while you're holding in, somebody
else is getting run those same routes and they're doing
it for cheaper, right, And we could sit there and
go like, why do you want to go cheaper? Who
doesn't When you put out a bid for something, you
may not go to lowest bidder, but you definitely go
to a lower bidder. Why do you think so many
(08:14):
of the things that we have are made overseas not
because we don't like American workers, It's because man, American
workers and unions cost more. You know, it's the same thing.
We call it agism, But a lot of times people
who are younger now, when they're younger, there's there's other
issues that come with it. Lack of experience in both
(08:36):
the workforce and in professional sports. Okay, you don't know
what the quality is going to be like when it
really matters. The most same thing when you're overseas and
it's a factory and you don't have controls over those things,
but there are some benefits, and cost being a benefit,
but also the chance to see and get opportunities and
get reps a massive benefit that Brandon Ayuk is frankly
(08:59):
donating to several young wide receivers from the niners S
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, we got
a really good show. Happy about it, excited about it.
By the way, Ceedee Lambs wants Micah Parson wants a
new contract. Michael Parsons of course talking about CDE Lamb's money.
That's it's kind of a scene as in no. Now,
you do see the pattern here right, wide receivers wanting
new contracts, holding out, holding in what is it comparison
(09:25):
is the thief of joy. And yet all these wide
receivers compare themselves to other wide receivers that have gotten paid.
I just Jason knows this. I tire, I tire of
talking about contract extensions like you're under contract. Okay, if
you think you're going to get more money because you're
holding out, like, good luck to you. No one wants
(09:48):
to see anybody get hurt, especially non contact stuff. But
I'm telling you, I still think the best way to
get paid is to threaten to hold out or to
hold in. But go out there and perform and show
that you're all in, because once they see you and
see how much better you are than the other guys
around you, the more likely they are to pay you.
But every year we have these holdouts holdings. Le'Veon Bell
(10:09):
was the last guy to hold out for a whole
season and that did not work out well for him.
I wouldn't be scared at all if I was one
of these teams.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
This is the best of the Don Dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio, The.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I got a question
for you, by the way, who is this, Sammy? This
is a roy royal blood h just like quick quick note.
(10:48):
My daughter Grace is she's filming in for somebody at
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stop in. She ah, eighteen year old, just rocks it
on the metal base. She's she's a star, absolute star.
(11:10):
You know, there's there's a lot of interesting stuff this
year in college football, and I think I've told people.
I've told you guys as well. Obviously that I think
the most interesting team is Oklahoma. Oklahoma's rank sixteenth in
the country. But we really have no idea. I do
feel when I say we have no idea, feel like
I put him in away.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
We got no idea about Oklahoma and what they look
back this year in the VACA. You know, they they
opened up the SEJA against Tennessee. Then they go to Auburn,
and then they got the Red River rivalry with Taxis,
and then you got out there Land with the course
you hot the coach, and then oh.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Matt down the road did the you know you guys
that did unbelievable at Mefi're there to top the Grove,
and then they got Alabama and home they go to
Majority who coach used to be in the Big Twelve
and the Big Eight with them, and then LSU end
the season. Anyway, Oklahoma's super, super interesting, But I got
to tell you that Clemson's right there, and obviously, the
(12:07):
the tie that binds Oklahoma and Clemson is well, it's
it's it's pretty obvious to those of us who know
college football. That's because the head coach of Oklahoma's Brent
Fettibles and when they won the national championship. He was
their defensive coordinator. So Clemson two years ago was was,
(12:34):
frankly had fallen off, you know, fallen off off an
incredibly lofty perch. And I mean this is a program
that under Dabos Sweeney. You go back and it's it's
crazy what he's done. Crazy, right, first year nine and seven,
after being an interim head coach, then six and seven,
then ten and four, eleven and two, eleven and two,
ten and three, fourteen and one, fourteen and one, twelve
(12:55):
and two, fifteen, zhin in a national championship, fourteen and one,
ten and two, ten and three, eleven and three, and
then nine and four. But of course the ACC has
been a bit down. And look when you're four and
four in conference play last year, uh, you know everybody's
gonna come out with the knives and say you've basically
forgotten what you're doing, or you either don't know what
you're doing or you've forgotten how to do it, or
(13:18):
this new world of college football just doesn't fit you. Right,
You'll get that from a lot pild. It doesn't fit
you if you're if you're Dabbo, I'm here to tell you.
I think what Dabo's trying to do is the way
that most of us are trying to do in college basketball. Now. Look,
(13:39):
I understand from from Justin Fields. You go to Michael
Pennix and Bo Nixon. These are all transfer portal quarterbacks.
Some grad transfer, some trystal now transfer portal guys. But
the transfer portal is a real thing, and other teams
have been very, very successful, and it does feel like
it's past comeson by Clemson's trying to stay out of
(14:01):
the portal and trying to do at old school recruit
and retain and improve who you got the old expression
in or maybe the new expression don't if it's old
I've I've heard for a while, but the expression in
college sports is the most important recruits you have are
the ones on your roster on campus. And Dabbo believes that.
(14:23):
And look, I understand that Yukon went out and got
what Cam Spencer and they had a couple of transfers
on last year's team, but they also built from within,
improve from within. Purdue, who lost in the National championship game,
they only had one guy out of the portal both
the past two years. I think retaining the guys you
(14:47):
have building camaraderie, building cohesion, building culture. It's hard to
build culture when you have new guys every year. You
look at USC and lots of schools have had this
where the initial push, the initial push out of the portal,
you have a good first year, but then all of
a sudden, you got to backfill all those holes. Whereas
if you recruit true freshmen and some of them you play,
(15:09):
and you retain by year three and by year four
they played together enough, they've played together enough that they're
able to overcome the fact that some teams have a
little bit better athletic talent. I understand the outside world
is saying, Dabo's an idiot, Dabo doesn't always doing Dabbo's
(15:29):
a denier. It's like he's a flat earther. He doesn't
want to even talk about the portal. I don't think
that's what's I think this is a cognitive decision. We
can play the portal, everybody's playing the portal everybody, or
we can be the one team that recruits, retains and
improves our current roster. And it hasn't worked a ton
(15:52):
in college football at the highest level. It has worked
in college football, and you're only going to know if
you have somebody who has the time on their contract,
the support of I think Graham neph as their ad
the support of their athletic director to withstand the years
like last year, and then keep those same dudes, keep
(16:12):
those same dudes. All right, we got a lot to
get to here still this hour in the go ahead,
Nick Nicope.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
Oh, I was just gonna add I just read there
are four schools in the country that didn't bring in
a single transfer this year. One is clems in the
other three are service academies.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Well they can't. They can't. That's why you know they
can't bring in transfers. Yeah, no, listen, it's a different
way of doing it, and it has not worked yet.
But the keyword is yet. I would bet that it'll work.
I would bet that it'll work. And does it work
meaning national championship? No, but college fatall playoff? Well know
(16:57):
pretty soon because they played Georgia at the start the season, right, Yeah,
go ahead, Sammy.
Speaker 8 (17:02):
My question is this, so if they're not if Clemson
is not accepting transfer transfer portal players, what do they
do when guys decide they want to transfer out of
high school?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
High school?
Speaker 8 (17:12):
He's all in on high school high school, but I
mean lose, Okay, so you're gonna you mean, so the
incoming class is it's going to be overloaded, is what
we're thinking. Is what we're saying.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
It gonna be high school players, the way it's always been,
always was done, right.
Speaker 8 (17:23):
But I mean, like if you if you're losing guys
who aren't.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
See also you could also technically take junior college kids, right,
but yeah, you know, if you're losing kids, their seniors
are screwed. You gotta play with high school players.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
What if you're losing like the freshman or a sophomore,
you have to replace those guys. Who are you replacing
with freshmen? Right?
Speaker 7 (17:39):
But so you have to overload your incoming class. He's
just backfilling with high school. He there's an interview back
in the spring. I mean he sees he was like
he said, hey, guys are transferring from high school.
Speaker 8 (17:49):
You know that that that that was his terminology. That
was the way he sees it.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So yeah, now, I mean listen, I'll just tell you, so,
I have twelve on scholarship currently, I do have unopen.
We don't start school till the fourth and but we
have several walk ons that are talented enough to either
get a scholarship this year next year. Now, next year
we're told that there's this new rule. What the power
fires gonna do, we probably will as well. What scho
(18:15):
Our roster limits will be at fifteen, but our scholarships
also can get to fifteen, so we can roll a
couple of these walk ons. And my goal is I
have only two of the seventeen currently on the roster.
Only two will be out of eligibility at the end
of this year. Now I'm not a dope, like I
know there's a couple that leave. My goal is to
keep as many of them. If I had all fifteen
(18:36):
of those back, it would be amazing, and I know
I'd be the better because of it. And I understand
it's a different sport. It's a lower level than Clemson
what they're trying to do at college football, But there
are many people, myself included, believe you're going to First
of all, it cost you less to retain players, just
in terms of nil and dollars. Costs you less to
keep players than does to go out and get new ones,
(18:59):
and you don't have to reteach them, and a lot
of times, even really talented players when you bring them in,
like it's a little bit like using somebody else's remote control.
It could still be you know, spectrum and direct TV
or AT and tu VERSU or whatever you know, or
you can do the apps thing, but if it's somebody
else's remote control, you're like, I don't really, it takes
(19:20):
you a while to relearn it. Terminology is different, your
style is different, Like sometimes those things are wired the
wrong way and you got to like rewire them. You
don't have time. And if you take a transfer portal
kid in Okay, you're kind of taking in somebody who
is unhappy somewhere else. They're unhappy for another reason. And
(19:40):
that and the one thing you learn and I learned
this frankly from you know therapy, right, which is they
always tell you, like, hey, even when a relationship goes bad,
you need to try and learn from it and fix
whatever within you is either irritating or led to the
disintegration of that relation, because if not, you'll carry that
(20:01):
over to the next relationship, right, you know, Like if
you're somebody who doesn't who abandons your spouse, for example,
you're gonna be in a spouse abandon or no matter
who your spouse is, is not just because of that person,
you know, and then they got to work through their
own stuff. Well like in college football, again you're abandoning,
your leaving a relationship. There's some issue there. The issue
may be money, but even then, okay, like you go
(20:24):
play somewhere just for the money, like there's something to
that previous relationship which caused you to want to leave
just for dollars. You don't have any time. There's no
rehab process in it. You go from one school, you
transfer to the next. Your expectations are and based upon where
you are salary wise to play right away. And again
you may be wired differently. I think this way works eventually.
I don't know if it's this year, but just because honestly,
(20:46):
their schedule is ridiculous, right, Like the three toughest games
in their schedule are at or Georgia and they play
in the with the Falcons play Mercedes Benz Dome, and
which you know, it's a home game for Georgia, but
it's only two and a half hours away from Clemson.
It will be fifty to fifty. So you got Georgia,
you got Florida State, in the road and you got
Virginia Tech on the road. Like, those are tough, tough games,
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But I think this way works. And he's got a
fan in me, like do I think you need to
stick your like not take any but God bless him.
Like he's got the longevity's contract, he's won national championship,
he's won more games than anybody in the history Clemson football.
He's going to do it, and I do think eventually
it works.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
It Doug more to your point, why do you think
Dabo doesn't get maybe a little more benefit of the
doubt because they had an all six straight College Football
playoff appearance is a ridiculous run, and it feels like
that just gets easily forgotten when people talk about Clemson
now and Dabo Sweeney.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
You know, part of it is, I think people are
massively overreactionary. Part of it is they don't understand just
how much the landscape has changed. But part of it
is they, you know, people struggle with people who do
think differently. And it's a long play now short play,
you know, it's a long playing on a short play.
I mean, look, I hear people saying things about Lincoln
(22:06):
Riley which are just asinine. Like, look, Lincoln Riley took
over a program that was a complete disaster. They didn't
recruit well, they didn't coach well, they weren't tough they
had they didn't have the fabric. And Caleb Williams and
a couple offensive recruits helped kind of put a band
aid on it for a short period of time. But eventually,
(22:28):
when you're not good upfront, you're not tough upfront, like
it's you're gonna get exposed. And that's what happened. And
the league was really good last year. But like, doesn't
mean he's an idiot. It's a long term plan and
it's gonna work. But I just, I just college football
fans are probably the best and the worst. They're massively overreactionary,
and whatever you did last year is all that they
care about, not what you've done over the last fifteen
(22:49):
twenty years. I mean, just take my Gundhy for example.
I'm sitting here in Boompicken Stadium. You go back two
years ago, right, and they had massive upheaval. They fail
finished with a ton of injuries and they lost. I
think they're like the last four games, including last game
to West Virginia, which is terrible here at home, and
then last year got off to a slugger start but
(23:10):
then finished strong, retained a bunch of their players, worked
it out in the portal, and Gundhi's a genius now
again and the ranks seventeenth of the country. But you
go back a year ago and it was what had
you done lately, despite the fact that he has had
twenty years of sustained success in a conference which they
struggled for a long time in So it's it's just
as it's a sports culture thing but also a college
(23:31):
football thing where we're overreactionary to what we've seen lately.
Stuck ot lib show here on Fox Sports Tradio, Middle
of the day, Middle of the show, Middle of the week.
Let's get to the midway. He's not getting in the middle.
Speaker 8 (23:42):
It's time for Stu the middle.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
The midway. I love this topic. Which Jay stud you
come up with this? Or is this Sammy? Who was it?
Speaker 8 (23:52):
This was an Iowa Sam idea? I like it a
wop Sam.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Go ahead, Well.
Speaker 8 (24:01):
Do you have? You have Caleb Williams rookie sensation for
the Bears. He is going to be starting the TB
twelve diet, which U is very restrictive, mostly tells you
what you can't eat. Jason, would you like to do?
You have that in front of the list?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I got it?
Speaker 8 (24:19):
Yeah, dogs got it?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah. No No dairy, nu's milk, cheese, yogurt, ice cream,
no bea, no wine, no alcohol of any kind, No bacon,
no sausage, no deli meats, no red meat. Red meat
should also be avoided. Pasta, bread, cereal, baked goods no,
no prepackaged stacks, chips, cookies no, no white sugar, high
(24:42):
fruit dose, corn syrup, refined sugars no nos cakes, pastries,
candies no, no wheat rye barley, eh tomatoes, egg plants
love eggplants and eggplants on Twitter also should be avoided. Peppers, potatoes,
no beans, musical fruit, no lentils, no chickpeas, I mean's,
no kumos, so kumos, no soy products, no can oil,
(25:05):
no soybean oil, no refine oil, no trans fat or
hydra hydro genatedrogenated oil, he driving tools, no coffee wait
hold on now, stop that right now. No caffeinated teaste
or energy drinks. No packaged fruit juices, certain fruits, table salt,
and no MSG Cramer wouldn't be able to do that.
(25:29):
Could you pull off this diet? Jays Tuo?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I think most of our listeners are asking the same
question that I am thinking. What can you eat?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Chicken, chicken, fish, avocado, avocado, lots of vegetables outside of
tomatoes and eggplants, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Some fruits, and then a lot of the TB twelve
protein powders and poms, which is sore.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
That's the key here. I think goops powders.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I think you're signing up for like five figure of
protein powders and protein bars a month. I could not
do this. I've done something similar. I did the Yatkins diet,
which is basically nothing but protein, and it works lots
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of weight loss, and then your cravings for food are
outrageous when you get out of the diet and try
to go back to normal. I don't know if I
could do this, Doug.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I could do it, and I could do it, and
I would I would tell you, like, I had this
discussion with my coaching staff last week and I was like, look,
you know, I work with a several different people. I'm
a before the TV twelve die. There's a dack called
the zone diet that's forty thirty thirty carbs, thirty percent protein,
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thirty percent monoinsaturated fats. But the carbs come from fruits
and vegetables, not from complex carbs. I'm a huge believer
in that, and I think what you find when you're
really eating right is yes, you eat more, but you
don't put on bad weight because don't you eat a ton.
You just eat, eat, eat, but you eat a tons calories. Yeah,
(27:15):
you can have. There's calories to be had there, dude,
just good calories.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
It's like it's like going back in the atmosphere. If
you're like a space shuttle. You got to get through
that atmosphere. It's gonna just stuff's gonna burn.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Up to do burn up, you burn up. But you
know you'd like you do chicken salad with with oil,
olive oil and vinegar dressing. You know, you do that
for lunch. You know, you do grilled chicken or grilled fish,
you know, with vegetables for dinner.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Uh, Honestly, the one that I would struggle most with
their coffee, the coffee. But a lot of the belief
in the TV twelve is not just about staying away
from the complex carbs and the bad fats, but also
about fruits especially that cause inflammation. And that's just a
fascinating thing that is really kind of the key to
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this diet, that separates it from other things.
Speaker 8 (28:07):
Here's my thing though, because if you look about like
all the fad diets over the years, the founders of
them have really only like lived into their sixties and seventies.
The only exception is Jack Laine, who was like the
power juicer guy and big weightlifter back in the like
the nineteen fifties and sixties. He really kind of started
all that and he lived to be in his nineties.
But a lot of these people, like the Atkins guy
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died in his like late sixties, early seventies. Like these diets,
they're like they're the research might be, you know, favorable
in the moment or in vogue in the moment, but
I think that it's just about moderation and it's about
mixing up your diet, keeping it diverse. I just and
another thing, like Tom Brady, like people who are just
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born skinny. There it's just easier to stick to a
diet if you're skinny. Like it's just for a lot
of people this TV twelve diet. It is just ridiculous,
Like I couldn't give up hummus, I couldn't. I you know,
I couldn't. Let's see, let's let's look at the you know, tomato,
like what do you what do you say to an
Italian or someone on a Mediterranean diet or from the
Middle East, like tomato and chickpea are up staple of
(29:12):
their of their diet. And as last time I checked,
a lot of those people are in you know, somewhat
decent shape or not morbidly obese overweight. So I just
think that some of this is ridiculous and there's not
no real scientific backing behind it, or if there is,
it's can be easily debated by another nutritionists with another
point of view.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
Nick no way, I almost say I'm very much a
moderation guy. I try to avoid many process things, don't eat,
don't eat a ton of bread, a little bit here
and there. But I think these things have to be
very intuitive because I also think, uh, Jason and I
(29:52):
were speaking before, like every body is different. Like my
wife can eat things that upset herst make or feel terrible.
I'm fine with it. So I think It's about eating intuitively,
figuring out what works for you, what feels you the best,
and then going from there. I don't think it necessarily
requires something as extreme as the TV twelve die.
Speaker 8 (30:15):
Also, like blood, your blood type, your food allergies, those
all kind of come into play as well, getting to
know what your your body agrees with. I'm finding later
in life that you know, beer, although I like beer,
it just does it kind of wreaks havoc on me
a lot of different ways. So that's maybe something I
need to reduce. Maybe just drink if I want an
alcoholic beverage, maybe drink a hard kombucha instead. Maybe try
(30:37):
to supplement that in instead. But like you know this
TV twelve, no peppers, what does that mean? Bell peppers?
Does that mean halibuto? All peppers? Right? But our guy,
our guy, Jonas Knox, who is one of the co
hosts of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe early
mornings here on FSR, Bell peppers for him are like
a dessert. He eats them religiously.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
He's I love it and I love bell peppers. Yeah,
great vitamins in it. There's something something in it that
there's a science to it.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
You know and good for like people say, it's like,
you know, well top how.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
About how about this we got to run a one second.
What's the one thing on that list? I told you
coffee is the one I would struggle to give up.
What's the one thing you'd struggle to give up the most?
Speaker 8 (31:23):
I think for me it would be dairy, because I
hear there's a lot of help benefits to dairy. Obviously,
not like ice cream on time because it's sugar. But
for me, giving up dairy cheese especially is something that
would be really really difficult for me.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
To do you love Do you love cheese? Chase?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Do I'm too much of a sweet tooth. I need
sugar in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Cope red meat and didn't say I had to give
it up should be avoided all American?
Speaker 8 (31:48):
Okay, I don't. I don't want to avoid it.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
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Al Michael's it's.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Like he eats what eats everything?
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Yeah, yeah, he eats sneak all the time. And Al's
doing pretty well for himself.
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Do you guys know what earworm is? I mean, Jay,
I'm sorry, I so, Jay stew Our steam producer. He's
got hearing issues. You said a cochlear implant. It's not.
It has nothing to do with an actual worm in
your ear. Sammy, do you know what what an earworm is?
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I do.
Speaker 8 (33:15):
And earworm is actually one of Jason Stewart's favorite words.
He uses it all the time.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
We're just talking about your famous earworms yesterday, and I
think the two examples that came to mind readily were
Proud Mary h Rolling down the River, and there was
another one that just gets in your head and you
can't get rid of it.
Speaker 8 (33:35):
Yes, this is a song that a hook or a
melody or a song that gets in your head and
it just keeps running in your head and you can't
get rid of it.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yes. A matter of fact, there's a Cranberry song that's
been remade, and my son and his buddy were singing
it and I just I finally I yell at him, like,
you guys got to stop. I can't hear it anymore.
You have an earworm. But you're passing up to me
like I can't do it.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
What's the song? I love the Cranberries?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Or Linger Linger?
Speaker 8 (34:07):
Who remade linger It's a great song. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
They were singing it and they were like, we just
heard it. I was like, no, it's well that's the
song when I was in high school. I think it
was remade anyway. Point is that earworms can't that also
sometimes sometimes when you say, like don't say the F word,
don't say the F word, don't say the word. What
(34:29):
do you always do? You say the F word? At
least that's how I am. I just you know, you
try and forget it. I bring that up, Yeah, I
do that because remember was he yesterday we found out
how Sonriddik wanted to be traded right or yesterday became
public that he wanted to be traded again. Remember was
traded in the off season by the Eagles to the Jets.
(34:50):
The Jets remain just really steadfast in their approach here
that they won him on the Jets. You all I
gotta do is take Robert Sala's Tuesday response for example,
when he was asked about the batter.
Speaker 9 (35:01):
It's not I promise you it's not. It's not frustrating
because I don't have control over it. But like I said,
we're excited about our group, still looking forward for him
to get here when he's ready, and when he's ready,
we're going to embrace them with open arms and to
get ready to attack the moments that he brings to us.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Here's his quarterback, Aaron Rodgers, talking about the star defensive player.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Aaron, what's your take.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
On a situation where a teammate requests to trade even
though he has yet to have a single practice with
that team.
Speaker 10 (35:26):
What there's always new things in the league that you know.
I've been around twenty years. I've seen a lot of stuff.
I think as players, we always first try and side
with the player, because you know what it's like to
be a player. I don't know him well. I've had
a couple messages with him. I believe when he got traded,
obviously we'd love for him to be here, but you know,
we don't judge him for trying to do what's best
for him. I think what's best for him is to
(35:47):
be a Jet because this is going to be a
fun ride. But you know, he's got to make the
best decision for him and his family.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Got to make the best Like I thought, that was
actually really really honest. I think I exchanged text us
they did I catch that? Can I hear that first
early response? I think I exchanged text message with him.
Let me take a listen one more time. I think he.
Speaker 8 (36:08):
Request the trade even though he has yet to have
a single practice.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
With that team.
Speaker 10 (36:12):
What has always new things in the league that you know.
I've been around twenty years, I've seen a lot of stuff.
I think as players, we always first try and side
with the player, because you know what it's like to
be a player.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
I don't know him.
Speaker 10 (36:23):
Well, I've had a couple messages with him.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I believe I've had a couple of messages with him.
I believe. I think. I'm not really sure if it
was him or not him. I don't know who it was.
Speaker 8 (36:37):
Maybe he was tripping on ayahuasca. I was changing.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I was so high at the time. Oh my god,
was that Hassan Reddick or is that Reddick Hassan? I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Oh Man, well, I believe I think is the old
Hassan probably reached out to him twice. And in the
middle of that answer, Aaron Rodgers like, I think I
ever got back to him.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
There's a couple of times did I press send? Did
I not? I've ever done that?
Speaker 8 (37:06):
By the way, to my drafts, Like, yeah, that's the
in corporate America, that's the most used excuse, and it's
not getting back to somebody. Come on, you did hit send?
Come on, I had those drafts.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Listen. I'll be completely honest. So when I got the
coaching job, I told you guys, I got twenty seven
hundred and thirteen messages and I thought I'd returned them all,
and then you know, I I then I went through
and I had hundreds upon hundreds of messages that were unread,
and yet I couldn't find them because after a month,
mne automatically get you know, I have that setting for
(37:42):
like one month? Is how I how long I hold
them for? Which probably that right?
Speaker 8 (37:45):
A month? My gosh, that's a quick trigger amount.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
It's a lot of time. You know, I'm a big texture,
a big texture.
Speaker 8 (37:51):
If you weren't a memory, if you weren't.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
If you weren't the one guy who would ruin all
uh g all uh chats because you're not on the
Apple platform, you would know this. You would be on
group chats more. But instead you're the complete you know,
group chat buzzkill because it always pops up green. You're
always like, man, did he block me? No, that's right.
He's the one guy with the motorola. Hope your flip
(38:15):
phone's doing well, JAYSU Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Anyway, I thought that was great, Like, yeah,
I don't I think I return his message. I think
I know him. It's probably good. We want him to play.
But the big thing is Robert Sally going like, nah,
not a distraction, not a distraction. Distraction. Who's distracted. I'm
not distracted because it's out of my control.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Mmmm.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Playing that mental mind game sounds really good. I don't
know if it actually works that way. I do like
the fact that Jets are like, we traded it for you.
You said you want to play under this contract. You
want to get a bigger contract by playing. Go play.
That's how all of our contracts work, right, I have
(39:01):
a what a year and a half left of my
Fox Sports Radio contract? What if I winn't go? Like,
you know, listen, I'm not doing anything until I get
a new contract. I'd like, Okay, we'll find somebody who
will stuck out leab show here on Fox Sports Radio.
That's the voice of Nick Cope. I O O'Connor will
joined us here half past the hour, and I just
(39:22):
I have to tell you, like, sometimes, what is this
Steve Martin line? Because and am I dating myself by
saying Steve Martin the comedian?
Speaker 3 (39:29):
No?
Speaker 8 (39:29):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
I mean, I listen, I I appreciate that, Sam, You're
an old soul.
Speaker 8 (39:35):
He's in the only murders in the building. Is a
very popular show right now. So I think he's very
he's still very relevant.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Okay, yes, So so he used to do stand up comedy.
I don't think he does stand up comedy anymore, but
he used to stand up comedy and one of his
big lines was, comedy is all about tie tie T timing, right,
And I think in many ways, book sales are the same, right,
They're they're the same. And if we were to be
(40:01):
honest and we were to say, like, who do you
really want to know about in sports? I think I
want to know about Kaitlyn Clark. I mean, there's no
bigger name right now in sports than Kaitlin Clark. That's fair.
I think i'd probably want to know about Kayleb Williams.
He seems interesting. Definitely, gen Z definitely of a different
kind of evolution pattern than the old school quarterbacks. I
would like to know about kind of the last four
(40:23):
or five years of Tom Brady. It seems like obviously
the team switch the Super Bowl the way it ended,
the retirement, come back to divorce, all those things now
into broadcasting after a year of you know, a year
of kind of taking a year off, Like all those
things are interesting but as we get ready for the
football season. Last year, the first week of the season,
(40:48):
we were just waiting, waiting, waiting for Monday Night football,
and Aaron Rodgers ran out onto the MetLife Field with
the American flag. You're like, this is incredible. You have
to be a Jets fan, like Aaron Rodgers is a Jet.
This really happened. And of course there's the parallel to
Brett Favre becoming a Jet as well. Five plays any Taries'
Achilles attendant. And you know, then there's been the McAfee appearances,
(41:13):
you know, no showing on some off season activities to
go to Egypt and uh and Aaron generally being Aaron.
But when you're trying to find a figure that people
want to learn about, that they know of and think
they know some about, I can't tell you how good
at timing this is. With the book, it's called Out
of the Darkness, The Mystery of Aaron Rodgers and so on.
(41:35):
So where you get your books August twentieth, you can
pre order now and it's authored by an outstanding author
of New York Times bestselling author In O'Connor joints it
down on the Doug Gatlib show on Fox Sports Radio. I
mentioned how good the timing is and leading up to
you joining us IAN, when did you start this process?
When did you say I got to write about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 11 (41:54):
Hey, Doug, first, congratulations on the coaching job and thanks
for having me on. I actually was under contract to
write a biography of Lebron James, and then another Lebron
James book was in the works that I was unaware of.
So that comes out, and I'm thinking there's going to
be some Lebron fatigue here if I go forward with
this project. At the same time, Aaron got traded into
(42:14):
my backyard in New York, and I thought he was
the most polarizing player in the NFL and also maybe
the most prominent American male athlete who hasn't had a
defining bio written about him. So I essentially traded Lebron
for Aaron. Hopefully that was a good trade, and I'll
leave that up to the readers. But I've always been
I don't know about you, but I've always been fascinated
(42:35):
by him from Afar. He's a mystifying character. Obviously, obviously
in recent years he has changed in terms of his
public image. I mean he's become a villain. He was
not a villain before COVID No, but that's changed, and
so that definitely interested me as well, just to dive
into how he changed, why he changed, and just why
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he is the way he is.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
What is what's your process like? What's your process like?
Speaker 11 (43:02):
Our process is just calling as many people as humanly
possible who were in his life, I mean, starting in
elementary school, teachers, classmates, and really I started this book
in chapter one with his grandfather, who was an amazing
World War two combat pilot, and that story had never
been told, who flew forty four missions against the Hitler
war machine and had some amazing acts of heroism and
(43:25):
valor that had never been reported before. So that actually
is chapter one is two generations prior, and Aaron did
not know really almost any of the details of his
grandfather's service. And he is buried in Arlington National for
a reason. He was one of the greatest members of
the Greatest Generation. So those are the stories I love
(43:45):
to tell in these books. Unfortunately, of course, with his
family estrangement, that had to be a part of it.
One thing Doug that I appreciated was when I explained
that to Aaron, you understand I have to write about
this family division. He understood, and a lot of superstar
athletes I've been around would not have understood that.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
So quick backstory, there was about probably a year and
a half where Aaron and I were friendly via text.
We hung out the final four to one year. He
did let me in on a little bit of his backstory,
and I don't want you to give away the whole book,
But what happened was obviously his brother made it public
(44:23):
that there was a rift in the family when he
was on the Bachelorette, right, and then everybody's like, oh,
he Aeron doesn't even get on. What were you able
to discern? Was that? Was it all Olivia Munn when
she was she the Yoko that split up this family?
Speaker 11 (44:37):
No, I think the family believed that, or some family
members believe that. But he hasn't dated her in seven years,
and this estrangement has become a sort of a living
organism that Aaron doesn't know how to kill off. But
when he started that relationship in twenty fourteen, he entered
that relationship with thoughts already about his family, and his
family members disagree with this, by the way, but his
(45:00):
perception was that his generosity with them was not being
fully appreciated. He thought the family unit revolved too much
around his fame and success. And Olivia notarized those feelings.
She agreed with him that was her role in it.
And I think it's really unfair to lay the blame
all at her feet. Now she was a part of it,
but again, he hasn't been with her for a long time.
(45:22):
And he had issues with his brothers, both of them.
And the big issue with Jordan was, you go on
to bachelorette and you make this estrangement part of the narrative,
and you put two open chairs at the dinner table
signifying that I wasn't there with Olivia. Meanwhile, I wasn't
even invited to that filming, and so he was really
upset by that. He was upset by some other things
(45:43):
that his older brother Luke did. They were upset with
him skipping a wedding and other family functions. And if
you really look at the fifteen reasons for this estrangement,
a lot of them are fairly minor and petty issues,
and so it needs to end. There was a meeting
I have in the book with a father and emotional
meeting last summer at Lake Tahoe that lasted thirty seconds
(46:04):
at the golf tournament there, but it was emotional. They
told each other I love you, and hopefully that's the
first baby step towards a reconciliation.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah. I had been told not by Aaron, but by
others that there was also a religious aspect to it
to where they were. The family is very very religious,
and he and some people thought it was Olivia, but
he's just not and that and that left a rift
in terms of, you know, their feeling.
Speaker 11 (46:32):
Yeah, that, by the way, that is true, that that
was apartment of it. Early on, they were devali religious,
particularly his mother, and she was really against premaro sex.
So even when he was in the NFL, and I
think after he won the Super Bowl, she was concerned
about him sharing hotel rooms with a girlfriend. And so, yeah,
that impacted him. And now he's not religious at all,
He's just he calls himself spiritual. So that was a
(46:55):
part of it more early on, not so much right now.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
How how did he view how it ended in Green Bay?
Speaker 11 (47:07):
Listen, I think, of course he had the darkness retreat
and he realized that they were ready to move on
to Jordan Love. He also needed a new challenge and
it ended there once they missed the playoffs, and it
looked that game against Detroit his final game, you could
tell it was over. It was clear. Maybe it lasted
one year or too long, and they should have traded
them a year earlier. But the Jets are sitting there
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is a perfect opportunity for Aaron and he knew that
because Tom Brady's got seven rings and he's got one,
he's certainly never going to catch him. But if he
realized New York City, if I win a championship for
a Charlie Brown franchise that has a biblical drought, hasn't
been to a Super Bowl since January of nineteen sixty nine,
that's going to feel like three or four rings, not one.
(47:52):
So I thought it was a smart play on his end.
I think he realized that now. Of course, last year
was a disaster. Maybe the football gods finally owe Jets
fans won and Aaron Rodgers won, and this year will
be the opposite of last year. We'll see how it
plays out.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trail. That's the
voice of Ian O'Connor, who has written the book Out
of the Darkness. Obviously, Out of the Darkness is a
type of the Captain of the Darkness retreat. And you
know a lot has been made about his ayahuasca ayahuasca retreats.
Is this something new or has he been doing this
throughout his career ayahuasca.
Speaker 11 (48:28):
No, it started in twenty twenty. So his good friend
Jordan Russell, who by the way, he kicked out of
his life for three years too, but he brought him
back into his life. Jordan Russell goes to Peru experiences
a ceremony with ayahuasca. He returns and says to Aaron,
You've got to try this. This is great. So Aaron
and Danica Patrick's girlfriend at the time, go to Peru
(48:51):
in twenty twenty. They sit for some ceremonies. He feels
like it's a spiritual cleansing. He becomes a better man,
a better football player. Even it feels like, basically the
way Jordan Russell described it to me is that ayahuasca
is like a lucid dream with embedded messages, and he
just come to terms with yourself when you're sitting there
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in a ceremony and you learn things about yourself, and
Aaron said it improved his relationships with other people. I
don't know why that didn't work with his family, but anyway,
he felt that he was a new man, a new
football player. So he's going to use it for the
rest of his career and beyond. But that started and
actually the virus was approaching Peru and they were about
(49:33):
to close the border, so it was really a race
to the border to get out in time before they
closed down the country. And he just made it. But
I suspect that'll be a part of his life going forward.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
What was life like for him when he was rehabbing
the Achilles.
Speaker 11 (49:48):
It was the early hours Douga that were really grim
and dark. He had a trainer, Aaron Alexander's name has
not been out there, but he essentially moved into his
house and worked with him NonStop. Alexander told me that
there were times when Aaron it was so dark. He
was like, the Jets don't even want me back. I'm done.
I can't overcome this, I can't make it. He did
(50:10):
overcome those thoughts and towards the end of the year.
Back in NFL history, there's training if you rush back
and retear it. That's the end of your career. Let's
just wait till twenty twenty four. Aaron said, Nope. If
the Jets win on December seventeenth in Miami, I'm playing
(50:31):
on Christmas Eve against Washington and the Jets got blown
out by thirty points in Miami, so it was a
moot point. So the comeback was delayed. Now to this year.
It's a mulligan and we'll see if again the football
gods will finally finally smile on the fatalistic fan base
of the New York Jets.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
How does he want to be remembered.
Speaker 11 (50:55):
I think as an all time great who on the
field off the field, that he was fearless, and I
think that's the one thing I'll give him credit for.
I don't agree with a lot of things he has
said and beliefs that he holds, but he is never
fearful of the consequences of stating his position, and very
few public figures are like that, and so that's usually
(51:17):
a commendable trait. But he does have some far out
ideas on the world and the people running it, so
it hasn't really helped him. There been some unforced errors
the COVID thing two thousand and one in August, when
he said, yeah, I've been immunized, that mistake, that self
inflicted wound. And by the way, he admitted to me
that was a mistake, and he would do that differently
(51:38):
if given a mulligan. He has not recovered from that.
I mean, he turned into a villain that day, and
unfortunately he has not made up that ground and fully
recovered from it.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
You know, he paid you, I thought an incredible compliment
when he was interviewal with yesterday the day before we
played the cut where he talked about the thoroughness of
your process for people who don't know I Connor. Joining
Us out of the Darkness is his latest book. It's
about Aaron Rodgers. Just how thorough is your process? Because again,
this is not something where you go and right sit
(52:10):
with him and he tell and you have your recorder
and he tells you what to say and what happened.
You interviewed a wide gamut of people. Give me a
sense of just how wide that Gama was.
Speaker 11 (52:19):
Yeah, and I'll explain it to you like I explained
it to him. And that was right after his press conference,
his first one with the jets after the trade was made.
Is I talked to hundreds of people and people from
every aspect of your life, those willing to engage me anyway,
And yeah, I think that's the only way to do it.
And that's how I uncovered the story of his grandfather
and his world ward TiO service and finding confidential military
(52:44):
records and so forth and anyway. So at the end
of that two minute spiel, I said, by the way,
do you have any questions about my process? And he said, yeah,
I've got a question. Do you plan on interviewing me
for this book? And I said, I'd love to, of course,
that's up to you. I went months and months with
him not responding to my request for an interview. He
(53:04):
showed a lot of indifference, but I think I warmed
down that I contacted so many friends who then texted
him for permission to talk to me, that he realized
this was a deadly serious project to me and I
was trying to get it right.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Well, Ian, I know when you do anything, you do
it right, you do it thoroughly. I can't wait to
read the book. It comes out August twentieth. It's called
Out of the Darkness. The Mystery of Aaron Rogers. The
great Ian O'Connor New York Times best selling author, joining
us Ian. Thanks so much for your time. We really
appreciate it.
Speaker 11 (53:31):
Hey, my pleasure, Doug, good luck this year.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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