May 13, 2025 • 47 mins
On a Tuesday edition of the Best of the Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the injury Celtics star Jayson Tatum suffered in game four of their series with the Knicks, and how unusually common injuries in the NBA playoffs are.
Dan shares his Beyer's Remorse. Former NBA champion and current NBA analyst Antonio Daniels joins Doug to talk about the Tatum injury, the NBA draft lottery and all of the headlines around the NBA.
Doug reacts to the breaking news that Major League Baseball has lifted the ban on Pete Rose, making him eligible for the Hall of Fame.
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All right, So we had two NBA games last night. Outcomes.
I look, the outcomes are important, but the stories are
even more interesting. Right the fact that the Knicks are
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now up three games to one, that's a big, big deal.
But when you throw in that Jason Tatum has gotten
hurt and we think it looks really bad. Right, that
becomes a bigger deal. Last night, the Boston Celtics felt
the New York Knicks one twenty one, one thirteen and
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the Minnesota Timberwolves. Despite a furious comeback from the Warriors,
they beat the Warriors in Golden State one seventeen, one ten.
Both of those series appear to be especially the Warriors
series appears to be over. But the news of the
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day is Jason Tatum's injury. And it was a strange
play in that a non contact injury where you don't
see anybody turn an ankle, you don't see anybody's knee
blow up, you don't see blood, You just see a
player writhing in pain and holding his It can only
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lead to two things, right, A torn calve or a
torn achilles tenant, a torn calf, or torny a chilly
Remember this is Jason Tatum, who up until that point
had played forty minutes, had forty two points, eight rebounds,
four assists for steals, two blocks. Like unbelievable game. And yeah,
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the Knicks were winning and the Celtics were falling apart
with turnovers. But it wasn't like the game was over.
Here's Joe Missoula, head coach of the Celtics defending NBA champions,
talking about the injury.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Obviously, you're always worried about someone's help. So the fact
that he had to be carried off, you know, like
you said, you know, he's a type of guy that
when he gets right up, so he didn't, and you know,
we'll know tomorrow exactly what it is. But yeah, I mean,
it's tough to watch a guy like him get carried
off like that.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Here's Derek White talking about TAM's injury.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I mean, obviously that's our brother, and so you hate
to see him go down, and like we just know
the type of guy he is and just stuff to
see him go down. But obviously right now it's it's
pretty low because of the game and he's got a
final way to win Game five.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Tom Thibodau's head coach of the New York Dicks. He
said this about the series being over.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
We got in a hole, but I love the way
we fought back, showed a lot of toughness and more
discipline in the second half, and then timely plays, everyone
working together on both ends of the floor. So I
think it starts with your defense, and then you have
to have a lot of toughness and then you have
to do it together. And I thought the guys did that.
You just got to keep fighting, you know, And that's
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that's sort of the nature of the game is when
you're playing a three point shooting team like that, there's
going to be variances in the game where there's runs
and you can't go away. You got to keep fighting,
and they have the ability to, you know, make tough shots.
I thought, we have to have the determination to come back,
to do it over and over again and stick together.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And then of course you got Jalen Bruns who at
thirty four thirty nine points and twelve assists. Again, the
big story has to be Tatum's injury, and maybe the
the part of that story is I could be wrong,
but the akillies ten and tearing, and again I'm not
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a doctor. I don't know if that's what it is.
I thought it was the ankle, and then he's holding
his ankle, and then when you go back and look,
you're like, all right, well that's non contact. Only two
injuries that make sense, torn calf or torn achilles. I
just feel like the torn achilles is an older guy's injury.
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And I don't know whether it's the body composition of
NBA players or athletes overall, But Jayson Tatum's twenty seven
years old. He's not yet in his athletic prime. Feels
would feel weird if he tours achilles tendon like Damian
Lether tore his achilles tendon what a week ago, week
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and a half ago. But Damian Liller is like thirty
four years old. Kevin Durant did it, he was in
his thirties. This is Jason Tatum in his twenties. Gay.
It almost makes me think, are we doing something wrong
with how we build players' bodies from the ground up
when they're young athletes in the rise that lead to
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these injuries now happening earlier instead of later, Like people
are gonna let live longer. I know there's some environmental
things that are always going to cap it, but it
does feel like we pay way more attention to our
health than our parents did, and our kids even more so.
Right Like when we were kids, we ate the type
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of fast food, everything was fried, all sorts of carbonated beverages.
None of them are good for us. Now it doesn't mean,
the kids eat one hundred percent healthy now, but they
are more health conscious now than I think many people
were when we were kids. And then I think you
if you look at people who are in their thirties
and forties and the way in which people are staying
in better shape in their fifties as well, think about
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fifty years old now as supposed to fifty years old
when you were a kid, what people look like. I
think people are going to live longer. Injuries are easier,
maybe not easier, but they take shorter period of time
to come back from. And things that happened in your
thirties previously now happened in your forties, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. Why are Achilles ten in injuries? And again
there is no scientific research behind this, but why are
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they happening more often? And even athletes who are younger
that That's what I'm kind of wondering. I don't know, byer,
When you were watching last night and you see Jason
Tatum went go down, what went through your mind?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Game over? Series over?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah? Yeah? You know. The the other part to it
is we make we make this big deal about what's
what's it called when you're managing somebody's body and you're
setting them out. The load management right, load management in truth,
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load management is you know, some sort of term that
we've described that was put in place to minimize injuries
like this. Injuries we thought wear and tear. Again we
can it doesn't mean it's worked and problem if you
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did the math, they would say it hasn't worked. But
one of the major factors for our entire lifetime, Dan,
like you and I have a good enough wealth of
knowledge in the NBA to go through year after year
after year like injuries have told the story oftentimes of
who's going to win the playoffs. Even going back to
Celtics Lakers back in the eighties, the Pistons when they
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initially played the Lakers, remember the first year Isaiah Thomas
had an incredible game six on a spring and ankle
game seven not so much like we had. Injuries led
to whoever won championships year after year after year. This
is not new and one of the there's a myriad
of them, but one of the reasons that the Spurs
started managing guys minutes was they started to get older
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and they want of their guys healthier. In the postseason. Well,
we're still doing load management, and it feels like the
injuries are just the same in terms of numbers of
guys and even the level of guys that are hurt.
It may signify that there is no true way around
get injuries, soft tissue or not by managing how many
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minutes somebody plays in the regular season.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
It's also interesting, Doug, and just to look at like
Damian Lillard, as you mentioned earlier, ends up rupturing his
achilles and we had almost seemingly felt like, okay, well
we've only got one so far. Yeah, thank goodness, like
we've made it this far. Like it felt like even
in other years there were maybe more significant ones and
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you would have a bracket that you could then point
out in each round, Well, this injury happened, This happened there.
But you're right, it has always been something of the past.
But what is crazy now is you talk about load management.
So Tatum's hurt, Lillard's hurt, their status now for next
season is seriously in question. And if they even are
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able to come back next season, they're going to be
probably limited into what they try to play and how
to transition into that season. I mean, it's just a
not just Katie and Klay Thompson anymore. It seems like
it's here, there and everywhere.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, I forgot. I totally forgot Klay Thompson. Great call,
great call. I mean, think about it. It's really now.
Guys are coming back for them doesn't mean they're coming
back better players. I mean Kobe Bryant was the shell
of himself when he came back from it. Granted he
was a lot longer into the tooth. When Dominique Wilkins
came back from it, he was not nearly the same.
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That was a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Kevin Durant has been really really good at times, not
maybe the same, but again, part of that is he's
bounced to different teams. He's a little bit older. You
mentioned Klay Thompson. He's obviously not been the same, but
also older. But it's it is fascinating. I just don't remember,
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and maybe some of this is we didn't cover injuries
the same. I didn't remember the volume of Achilles injuries
we have now, especially at the top of the athletic world.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
And the other domino that I think plays into this
is there was a question even though they won the title,
last year on if Boston doesn't get it done this year,
what changes do you have to make and the changes
that you would have to make in Boston, Well, Jason
Tatum would either be in those plans or be out
of those plans, but right now he's not a part
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of those plans. So if you're Boston and I believe
that they're going to lose this series, I don't think
they'll win these next three games, but even if they do,
I think they're going to be at a disadvantage and
win the title. What do you do moving forward? In
how do you chart who you are? Because I do
think for as great as the Knicks have been, there's
been something wrong with Boston. And it reminds me in
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the NFL, Doug when a team comes out and maybe
jumps out to a twenty one, twenty four to nothing
lead because they're throwing the football all over the field
and everybody's fresh and having a great time. But maybe
the team that's slow and steady runs the football, wears
you down, is able to then get a stop on defense.
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You know, one of those sort of things like this
recipe of the Knicks coming back and beating the Celtics,
if it's the third time that this has happened. And granted,
the deficits weren't as big in Game four last night
as they were in Games one and two, but I
think that there's something there and there's something that's missing
with Boston And now how do you look at what
their future is because you don't know about the status
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of Jason Tatum. So does that put Jason Tatum for
as great as he has been in the picture or
out of the picture. I think that's a huge offseason dilemma.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Now now he has a contract extension, like here's the
here's the part of of the new Supermax contract, which
gets really interesting. And again, I don't know if you
agree with this, but I think Nico Harrison's having an
unbelievable week and a half.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
We haven't gotten to the fact that the lottery last night,
the Dallas Mavericks won the lottery, Not that that could
ever be part of Nico Harrison's grand plan, but his
argument was, Hey, this dude's never in shape. He's always hurt.
Talk about Luca and the more you're not in shape,
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the more often you're going to get hurt. And then
he would have been Luca would have been eligible for
the Supermax contract in Dallas this offseason. And what does
it look like when you have a supermax player who's injured. Well,
we'll give you Jason Tatum. Next year. Jason Tatum is
going to make fifty four million dollars. That's a direct
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fifty four million dollar caphit fifty four to fifty eight,
sixty two sixty seven, and then the last one is
a player option for seventy one million dollars. They're on
the hook for five years guaranteed at what looks like
about a what a sixty two sixty three million dollar
average you do the math, it's like a three hundred
million dollar contract. That's what we're talking about. It's five years, okay,
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five years at over three hundred million dollars in overall value.
It's five years, three hundred and thirteen million dollars. Now
he'll come back and play. And again we're we're assuming,
we're guessing it's at Achilles ten and we're hoping it's not.
It's that fair, Dan, like, I haven't seen any official okay,
but the point is that if you're Nico and you're
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sitting there going yes, won the lottery. You obviously feel good.
And then Luca looked pathetically out of shape and didn't
play defense in the playoffs and they lose. And then
you go like, hey, are you less or more likely
to be injured over the next five years if you
always come in out of shape And the answer is absolutely.
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And Jason Tatum, who's never had those issues with conditioning,
he goes down. And this is where you're talking about
the Celtics plans, whatever plans they have. Not only do
you have to make them without Jason Tatum in mind,
but you have to make them with Jason Tatum on
the salary cap. There's nothing you can do to get
that fifty four point one million dollars off your salary cap.
It is crippling when a guy gets hurt with this
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kind of contract. So, yeah, the Celtics are gonna lose,
probably lose this series. Yeah, it's gonna cause for them
to have to resthink some things, and all of that said,
there's nothing they can do to move this Jason Tatum
contract and that number sits, sits and sits and sits.
Sam just chimed in Tomarcus Cousins towards Achilles at the
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age of twenty seven, like Tatum, great great example, DeMarcus
Cousins was never the same. Of course, to mark your
Cousins was not in shape. But still it does feel
like there's a scourge of these things in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
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Jason Tatum's injury, Steph Curry's injury, the Dallas Mavericks getting
the number one pick, the San Antonio Spurs getting the
number two pick. He's a former San Antonio Spur. What
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We've got a lot to get to with Antonio Daniels.
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Speaker 6 (16:35):
Some have remorse.
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At the start of these NBA playoffs, I felt that
one team would probably come out of the East in
a very very strong fashion, and that would be the
Boston Celtics. Now in the West, I did like oak
Lahoma City coming out of that bracket. But I'll tell
you what, when you talked about that Jason Tatum injury
earlier in the show, it was at that point, just
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even prior to that and seeing the Knicks make their comeback,
because not only was a game over in series over
on that injury, it was also on that play and
that steal that likely was sealing the deal.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
And it just.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Continues another another awful prediction week for me in the NBA.
I got all game ones wrong, I think entering this round,
and it still continues to be poor because I was
like Paul Pierce, I thought the Celtics would end up
bouncing back. I did think Minnesota was the better team
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and beating the Warriors, and it looks like they're going
to but without Steph Curry that's a cakewalk. Oklahoma City
is having trouble with the Nuggets. I didn't think that
would be the case. And I thought that the Calves
were gonna roll over the Indiana Pacers because Facers don't
playing in any defense. Doug, I still cannot get the
NBA playoffs right. It's probably bad news for Minnesota as
(18:07):
I'm starting to lean that maybe I'm gonna pick them
instead of the Thunder in winning it all at this
point of the postseason. But yeah, I just can't win
for trying when it comes to predicting these NBA playoffs.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, it's really hard. It's hard because we watch teams
like we pay attention too much, but the regular season
matters too little, and then you factor in injuries. It's
it's very difficult, very difficult. So Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio, Okay, let's welcome in a guy
(18:41):
who Man, he's been around this thing for thirteen years
as a player. He won NBA Championship with the Spurs
in ninety nine. He's color analysts for the Pelicans, and
of course he's got his own show on NBA Radio.
He's Antonio Daniels. He joins us on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
What was your what were your first thoughts when you
saw Jason Tatum go down, go down last night with
the injury.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
It had to be his achilles. That was my That
was my immediate thought, and I text a couple of
friends that I know, and that's the only word that
I put achilles, and you can tell because it's number
one is not contact. But also he did it the
same way Damian Lillard did his, and sometimes it's just
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stepping wrong. If you remember the way Kobe Bryant tore
his achilles, you know, he put his foot back to
like push off of it, and then you know, immediately
guys grab for it. Immediately, guys grab for it. So
and I don't even know if that's if it's actually
been reported yet actually like medically what it is, but
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it has not.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It has not officially No, I mean.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
No, yeah, I thought it was an achilles immediately.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I know DeMarcus Cousins tore his at twenty seven. DeMarcus
is a bigger dude, right it fell Kevin Durant, Yeah,
but he was in his thirties. It felt like it
was more of a past your prime injury, even with
Lillard tearing his this year. Uh. It also feels like
it's happening more often now than it used to. Maybe
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it's just we cover these injuries more. What are your
thoughts on the volume of these achilles injuries, especially now
to a guy who's twenty seven, maybe not even in
his prime.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
You know, I had this conversation with somebody this weekend
as far as you know, why this does it feel
like it's happening much more now than it is, And
I don't, you know, I don't know what the reason
and rationale is. Like, you know, depending on who you
talk to, they'll tell you something different. You know, it
could start at the grassroots level, you know, the fact
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that you're breaking your body down then because guys are
playing in tournaments and playing, you know, fifteen games in
three days, you know, so it could start. Who knows,
you know, I don't. I'm not a doctor. I'm not
knowledge enough about the injury to know you know, what
brings it, why it happens, or why it's occurring more
frequently now than ever. I can tell you what though,
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it definitely changes the foreseeable future for the Boston Celtics
stealth in a number of ways.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yep, okay, So if you're the Celtic first, do they
have any chance in the series? Down three games one,
assuming Tatum doesn't play, assuming can you start as bad
as we think?
Speaker 7 (21:22):
I mean, yes, they have a chance because they have
a championship DNA. But it's not just the Jason Tatum
injury part. It's the fact that none of us really
know what's going on with Christos Barzingis, you know, and
if you told me coming into this series that Christos
Berzingis would only play fourteen to fifteen minutes a game
and not be available to start and not be at
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full strength. And he's a huge part of what they do,
a huge part of what they do. He's a unicorn
seven foot two, seven foot three rim protect and block shots,
spread the floor. So you remove that from the equation,
you remove Jason Tatum from the equation. You know, would
think that maybe they can get a game because of
their championship DNA, you know, kind of going off of
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the Jason Tatum news and the fact that him not
being available, you know, you can kind of use that
as momentum. We saw Golden State do it when Steph
Curry left the game in Minnesota. So it's like, but
I just can't see them beating this New York Knicks
team three times in a row. They're extremely resilient.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah. The prisingiest thing is interesting, Yeah, because remember Dallas,
you know, jettisoned him and he was oft injured there,
and this one has just been a weird one where
it's been an all year lingering thing. We don't know
what it is. And then their ability to move pieces
is going to be hard because Jason Tatum is going
to make fifty four million dollars next year and you
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can't move that contract and you can't lessen the the
blow to yourself.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
No, but once you can do is you can move
some of the ancillary pieces that have been a big
part of what they do. Sure, you know the Drew Hollidays,
the Derek Whites, you know the christophs worzingis Is, the
Louke Cortnett, you know some of those guys. But the
thing is, if you remove one of those guys from
the equation, it's not the same team. I don't think
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anybody's gonna pay want to take in Jalen Brown's the
richest contract in NBA history. Nobody's gonna want to take that.
So you figured they're stuck with Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. Okay,
that's fine, but now you look at everybody else around them.
Drew Holliday has been a key piece in championship basketball
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bretherend Milwaukee now in Bostons right, Derek White, He's a
key piece. So there are certain teams in this league
that feel like they are a player or two away
from being where Boston is now. And that player or
two may be Drew Holliday, maybe Christops Worzgas or maybe
Derek White.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Just don't tell Brad Beale that Drew has been a
major piece. Two championship that.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
Don't get me started. Don't get me started.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
There are always going to be people who think things
are rigged. Uh, what's your reaction to people saying that
Dallas winning the draft lottery and even san Antonio getting
the second pick shows that this thing is it was
going to.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Someone was going to say that it was going to
be rigged regardless, because tell me, if san Antonio would
have got the number one overall pick, people wouldn't have
said it was rigged, no question, Yes, of course they
would have. So, I mean, you know, it is what
it is. That's I'm I'm not a fan of that,
that thought process. It is interesting, though, it is interesting
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after everything that's transpired in Dallas this past year, with
the trading of Luca and him going to LA and
and Kyrie Irving going down, and you know, it seems
like a lot of mad fans jump ship. You know
what's a way to get them back? Because I guarantee
you all those Mass fans that jump ship and says,
you know what, we are not renewing our season tickets.
(25:10):
This is not what we're doing. I am no longer
a mass fan for life. When they got the number
one overall pick yesterday, that definitely changed things. Yeah, you
know what I mean. Me, I'm sorry, Doug. Let me
let me tell you my beef with this though. My
beaf with this is I'm you know, I'm trying to
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think of the most politically correct way of saying this.
There were teams that were purposely taking without guys entered, right,
that were purposely taking without Now when you got guys injured, right,
I am the Coloradas for the New Orleans Pelicans, de
Jontay Murray was out for the season, Trey Murphy was
out for the season, Herb Jones was out for the season.
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Hodi Alvarado was heard, Dion was hurt, Seedy was hurt.
I can go down the list, but when you have
teams that are fully healthy and tanking, I'm I'm inside.
I'm glad they didn't receive that that first overall pick,
because I don't think there should be a benefit. You
should not be rewarded for for openly tanking with a healthy,
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healthy team.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Oh I I agree. That's why. You know, Dan Byer
brought it up earlier where he's like, hey, you know,
the the Mavericks did win a game in the play
in tournament? Should they have been penalized? And I'm like no,
that Like, the whole idea of restructuring the lottery and
the play in is to encourage fewer teams to tank,
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to to know, fewer, Yeah, fewer teams to tank, and
and if you penalize the team like Dallas, who it
looked like, Honestly, it looked like with a month left,
they wanted a tank and not play Anthony Davis. And
then they got pressure to play them. Then they started
winning games, then they got into play and then they
won a game, then they lost the game. They're done.
I actually think they're the perfect team to be rewarded
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with it earlier pick because they they they very easily
could have shut ad down for the year and then
thought the hurry on it and probably probably been fine.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
I could not agree with you more. You know, a
team that actually went out there and played and tried
to win. There were teams in this league that were
taking since January yep, tinkings to January. And the thing is,
when you take in January, it's only ain't fourteen percent
chance that you get the number one overall pick fourteen percent,
So it's not like the old days where you have
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the worst record in the league you're guaranteed the number
one overall pick. We can go back and look at
some of the number one overall picks that weren't supposed
to end up where they ended up. So when teams
openly take, when you have a healthy roster and you're
choosing to sit guys out, you're choosing to low manage guys,
you're choosing to not have guys play even though they're healthy.
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I'm glad that those teams did not receive the benefit
of the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Let me just ask you. We haven't talked since Lebron
did the interview or he's like, yeah, I don't lose
any sleep over losing, you know, me and Luca, but
eight other guys on the floor. How does that sit
with you?
Speaker 7 (28:08):
The thing is, there's nothing Lebron can say where people
are gonna be okay with it that there's nothing that
people can say you think like, you're not that good.
You're not that good. You don't play that long without
having a competitive gene that most people don't have. That
that's just the two, don't the two don't intertwine like
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they have to come together. You aren't as good as
Lebron's names is. You are not in the don't conversation
without having a different tier competitive gene. So when he
says something like that, you know what people are going
to say, Oh, well, you know what, Michael would never
say that, or Kobe would never say that, or whatever
it may be. And I get, I get the thought process.
(28:52):
But just because he said he doesn't lose sleep. Basically,
as you get older, Doug, and you know this, your
priority change. Your priority. Shit, the things that are important
to you now at forty or fifty years old were
nearly as important as they were at thirty years old.
So to me, Lebron James, this seems like a mature
athlete that has his priorities together. I don't think of
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it like when I hear that. I don't think well, man,
you know what, Lebron ain't got no heart. I don't
think of it that way. I know he does. I've
competing against him. I watched him dominate this league for
twenty plus years. So if he comes out and at
forty years old says, you know what, man, we lost,
it sucks. I don't want to lose. But I'm not
losing any sleep over this. My kids are healthy, I'm healthy,
(29:36):
I have a healthy marriage. Look, I'm going to steal,
continue to try and wins head missions. I grafted that concept.
I'm not chirping on that.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Who is the NBA Championship now? Who's the best team remaining?
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Oh my gosh, man, man, you know what's wild though?
What you you know, like before the playoffs starts, we
all make predictions, right you major predictions as far as
who you thought was going to win each series, who
you think is coming out the East, who you think
it's coming out the West. You know what, we didn't
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have an opportunity to take into consideration that the road
changes were going to be this drastic. I didn't think
that from Game one to Game eighty two, and then
from Game eighty three on that there would be this
much of a difference from the regular season to the postseason.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
You, I do, just because that's kind of been the trend, right,
I mean, I guess, well, I mean yeah, I mean
we've had we've had this, and we've had injuries. I
think we have a conflict confluence of injuries. Steph. Obviously,
now you know you have Jason Tatum, the defending NBA
(30:52):
Finals MVP, Right, so you have a couple of really
big names and then Cleveland all of a sudden, just
wid friend injuries that have cost them. And we've had
other teams that have last year Oklahoma City regular season record.
Years in the past, the Celtics have had the best record,
Lebronz team had the best record with the Cavs in
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that year. Early on, we've actually had some of this.
It just it feels heavier because you're getting both injuries
and discippointing teams in the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
But for me, it's not even the injuries. I'm talking
about the physicality.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Sure, Like right now it.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
Feels like we're watching the playoffs from the nineteen nineties.
You know, when we won the championship in ninety nine. Yeah,
you know, not one team scored over one hundred points
in that series, and what David Stern said at that
time is this is not entertaining, so things have to change.
But now, if you've watched this playoffs, watch how many
of these teams are not reaching one hundred points. I
have watched a game with the Denver Nuggets scored eight
(31:47):
points in the quarter and the Minnesota Timberwolls scored thirty
one points and a half. The physicality is completely different
than what it was in the regular season. This feels
like the eighties that were watching. They they're letting guys hold,
they're letting guys arm arm, bar, they're letting guys handtack,
They're letting guys push over screens and bust up driple handoffs.
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This is a completely different game in the playoffs that
we did not see during the regular season. And it's visible.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that has actually happened more often
over the last twenty years than maybe it feels like
to you. It's always been more physical, maybe more so
this year because it's so loosely officiated the regular season.
But it's it's great. You STI don't answer my question,
who's the best team remaining.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Right now is Oklahoma City. That's who all I have
to go with right now, because if I take into
consideration the physicality how the rest are allowing them to play,
Oklahoma City is the best remaining teams in the playoffs
as far as plenty of attack defenders are concerned, and
they can score to basketball, they can beat you too way.
(32:57):
They can beat you big with a dual center lineup.
They can also beat you small with putting Isaiah Hartenstein
or Ched Holmgren at the five and surrounding him with
four scores or shooters. Right now, and I will say,
Oklahoma City telling.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You the best.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Man.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Love your the intensity of your analysis and the honesty
with which you provide it. Thanks so much for joining
us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
I appreciate you anytime. Brother.
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Speaker 1 (33:31):
What Up with you Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio? Uh,
We're broadcasting live on a Today's Tuesday. Today's Tuesday. We
have a little I don't love like predictions, but little
preview of tonight's Oklahoma City Denver game in a moment,
do we all know what tomorrow is? Tomorrow is NBA
(33:54):
NFL schedule lease day. And I think there are things
in which we can miss judge in life, right Like
who among us hasn't missed judged the timing of a
joke or the subject of a joke. There's something interesting
(34:16):
there with the NFL and the schedule. But before we
get to that, let me get you to Dan Byer.
He's got some breaking news first in the world of sports, Dan,
What's new?
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Breaking news from Fox.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Sports dug A report from ESPN's Don Van Nata Junior
says that Major League Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred is removing
Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson, and others from Major League
Baseball's permanent ineligible list that would make Rose and Jackson
eligible to be enshrined into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Good, let's have this discussion. That is the most cowardly
crap I've ever heard of in my life. And obviously
some of this stems from the pressure you're getting from
the President of the United States. Pete Rose was a
horrible human being. That shouldn't keep him from being in
the Baseball Hall of Fame. What should is that people
who actually paid attention to the Dowd Report will tell
(35:19):
you that Pete Rose one has never come clean about
his gambling on baseball. Two, when he initially began gambling
on baseball, he was a player coach. And three, please
stop the insane, stupid, myopic. I love Pete Rose argument
that the only bet on his team to win, because
if you only bet on your team to win, but
(35:40):
you don't bet on your team every day, what does
it tell the people you called in as a bookie
is going to happen on those other days? He violated
a one of the core laws of all sports, specifically baseball,
which is you bet on the sport, you better in
(36:00):
the sport. So again, I understand you're like, well he died,
now what does it matter. It's symbolic. And again, Peter
Rose just a terrible person, terrible person, great ballplayer. Okay,
great ballplayer. But this is like somebody dies who had
(36:26):
a perfect score on the SAT. They cheated on the
SAT and then they die, like, yeah, you know what,
we should let him into Harvard after all. Like now
it's posthumously doesn't really mean anything. It does mean something.
It does, it does, it absolutely means something. No p Rose,
you don't get into the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame,
(36:48):
and all the political pressure can mean whatever it wants
to mean. Baseball have some have some balls, Just have
any You already let steroid guys in there, Okay, at
least you have enough to keep the guys you know,
Roger Clemons, Barry Bonds out great, Martin McGuire not in great.
(37:12):
Sammy Sosa shouldn't be in great. Okay. There's other guys
that we know by Rodriguez, Okay, not a secret. There
are others that most people suspect, like a Mike Piazza. Okay,
you felt like there wasn't any proof. I don't know
(37:32):
what you can do except for asking any of their contemporaries.
There is, by the way, a way in which you
can prove a guy did or did not use steroids
if you want to be in the Hall of Fame.
Before every season, major League Baseball players have to take
a physical. That physical, they take blood, they take urine. Why,
(37:53):
because your contract has to be insured in order to
be sued. They have to run through a series of tests.
Those tests and what they found still exist. And for me,
if you want to prove that you are on steroids,
all I got to do is say, hey, listen, the
Hall of Fame Sledge Committee can see my tests before
any season they want, and it will show that I
wasn't on steroids. They won't do it, and they'll cite
(38:15):
privacy laws. But the real reality is the only thing
they're protecting themselves from his testing positive for steroids. Anyway, Anyway,
pet Rose does not belong in the Hall of Fame.
Does not belong in in my opinion, yes, Dan Byer.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
Just some clarity on this ruling from Commissioner Rob Manfred.
Manfred Is ruled that any player deceased that is on
the permanently ineligible list will become eligible for Hall of
Fame consideration. The reason why I think that this point
is important I think others as well, is there are
people who are saying, well, great, now that Pete Rose
(38:56):
has passed, now he can go into the Hall of Fame.
That is not what manfred Is ruled. Manfred has stated
that once the person's life is over that that ends
the ban. So if Pete Rose were alive today, he
would still be banned from going into the Hall of
Fame and still be on the permanently Ineligible list. The
(39:21):
Hall of Fame has just released a statement saying that
Major League Baseball's decision to remove deceased individuals from the
permanently Ineligible list will allow for the Hall of Fame
candidacy of such individuals to be considered. The Historical Overview
Committee will develop the ballot of eight names for the
Classic Baseball Era Committee, which evaluates candidates who made their
(39:43):
greatest impact on the game prior to nineteen eighty, to
vote when it next meets in December of twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
So now what they did was they restarted the same fight, right,
It's give me in a different committee, a different way
of doing it. And I get it. You're like, well,
it's lifetime, he died. Lifetime band should be over, Like
just what is what is the point so that person
doesn't get a chance to experience be in the Hall
(40:12):
of Fame, but their legacy does.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
I think this is just a guess and just to
also clarify, and then I'll quickly make my point. This
doesn't mean Pete Rose is going into the Hall of Fame.
It only means that he can be up for discussion
along with shoelas Joe Jackson in December of twenty twenty seven.
There is the Specialty Classic Baseball Era Committee. It's how
Fred McGriff got in. But it's not every year that
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you vote for a player from a previous era to
get in. There's a rotating schedule of it. So the
next time that this group of players is up for
possible enshrine in or induction will not be decided until
December of twenty twenty seven, which would make it the
Class of twenty twenty eight. And with that being said,
they still would have to be voted in. Doug. So
(41:01):
the thought process. If there are voters who feel the
way that you do, they do not have to vote
Pete Rose or shoeless Joe Jackson into the Hall of Fame.
This just opens the door for their possible induction of
the possibility that they are voted in, But the votes
could also speak for themselves in putting them in or not.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
No, I listen, I get it. You still have to
get the votes. I just this thing had been decided,
and the further we get away from it, the further
the less likely is that voters have read the Dowd
Report or have any true sense, and our sensibilities have
kind of changed, like well, you know, like what is
the real big deal? People gamble all the time now
they do in the phone like no, no, no, this is
(41:42):
a completely different deal that was going on there. This
is the old call in your bookie. And the reason,
by the way, that you don't allow people to bet
on sports is because what happens is I don't believe
athletes should be allowed to bet on any sport. I
(42:04):
just don't. Because what happens is when you get behind,
a guy comes to do you to go They well,
you've got a couple of choices, hee, right, like you
give us a figure or or or you take care
of us. You know, you don't have to lose. You
just don't have to win by so many. You don't
have to you don't have to win, but you just
(42:24):
lose by so many? What about go ahead?
Speaker 5 (42:27):
What about the families? Because that's where it feels that
this is being done. I mean, we've got it. You know.
We have a high profile case going on here in
southern California that I think most of the country realizes.
In the men Endos brothers right now and what is
going on, and it seems that they have full support
from their family members in them. Maybe not the best comparison,
(42:51):
but you're wondering on now that these players are deceased,
does it does it do anything for the families in
that point if you were a descendant of shoeless Joe Jackson,
or if you are a relative of Pete Rose, does
it does it change anything for you?
Speaker 1 (43:14):
No, because you weren't in You didn't do nothing anyway. No, No, listen,
just I I hear what you're saying, right, but I don't.
That's like whitewash in comparison to the Wave. Sure, Pete
(43:36):
Rose has done everything the exact wrong way you're supposed
to do it. He he never admitted sort of fault.
Remember he used to hold autograph signing like right across
the street where he's supposed to. You know, he basically
was the O. J. Simpson of the if I did
it right, that's that's how he would act. And not
(43:56):
even getting into some of the other things about Pete Rose,
all the which I'm not I can't hold that against him.
That has nothing to do with this, and frankly, it
has nothing to do with his unbelievable drive. Like I
even think taking out Ray FLOSSI was a chicken crap move, right,
Like you're in an All Star game and you're gonna
go and dive and take out a catcher to home plate?
Like what are you doing? He will, are that guy?
(44:20):
Go ahead there?
Speaker 8 (44:21):
Jay stew In is two thousand book My Prison Without Bars.
He writes, I bet on baseball in nineteen eighty seven
and nineteen eighty eight. That was my mistake not coming
clean a lot earlier, so he admitted in that book.
And remember the criticism at the time was is that
he did it to sell books.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
I believe he actually And look, everybody is biased by
knowledge of or proximity to situation whatever. My first radio
co host when I was at ESPN, this is two
(45:05):
thousand and three. I think we worked together three or
four years was Chuck Wilson. And we'll try and get
Chuck on. Chuck is the foremost authority on Pete Rose
betting on baseball, and I mean he still has. I
think he still walks around with a copy of the
Dowd Report and when things would come out, he's like, yeah, no, no,
(45:26):
I actually read the Dowd Report. And he was betting
on baseball, and every piece of chum he threw out
was all some sort of It was a lot like
how many of us handle things that have gone wrong
in our life. We admit to whatever the lowest common number.
So I would admit I'm wrong. He did admit that
he bet on baseball, but I don't believe he ever
(45:47):
admitted to betting on baseball when he was a player manager.
And part of it is I don't think people remembered
the fact that Pete Rose was a player manager. But
he was. He was Bill Russell only in Major League baseball.
He was a player manager, which is kind of crazy
(46:10):
if you really want to think about it. Right, Like
he was a it was a two year period eighty
four through eighty six. So when did you admit to
betting on baseball.
Speaker 8 (46:19):
Two thousand and four? The book?
Speaker 1 (46:21):
No, But what years did he say? A bet a man?
Speaker 8 (46:24):
Eight season?
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Right? So he curiously omitted the fact that he was
actually and again in the Dowd Report, he was betting
on baseball the in eighty four and eighty five and
eighty six, which is when he was a player manager,
so he would have direct impact on the game. Like
I've never been Somebody said that Pete Rose is an idiot.
(46:46):
He's not okay, but he thinks he's smarter than people,
going like yeah, yeah, no, I bet on baseball as
a manager. It was only for us to win, Like yeah,
if you actually read the Dowd report, he was betting
on baseball ball when he is a player manager, which
those years do not coincide with the years he described
in the book.
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All right, So we had two NBA games last night. Outcomes.
I look, the outcomes are important, but the stories are
even more interesting. Right the fact that the Knicks are
(01:17):
now up three games to one, that's a big, big deal.
But when you throw in that Jason Tatum has gotten
hurt and we think it looks really bad. Right, that
becomes a bigger deal. Last night, the Boston Celtics felt
the New York Knicks one twenty one, one thirteen and
(01:38):
the Minnesota Timberwolves. Despite a furious comeback from the Warriors,
they beat the Warriors in Golden State one seventeen, one ten.
Both of those series appear to be especially the Warriors
series appears to be over. But the news of the
(01:59):
day is Jason Tatum's injury. And it was a strange
play in that a non contact injury where you don't
see anybody turn an ankle, you don't see anybody's knee
blow up, you don't see blood, You just see a
player writhing in pain and holding his It can only
(02:22):
lead to two things, right, A torn calve or a
torn achilles tenant, a torn calf, or torny a chilly
Remember this is Jason Tatum, who up until that point
had played forty minutes, had forty two points, eight rebounds,
four assists for steals, two blocks. Like unbelievable game. And yeah,
(02:46):
the Knicks were winning and the Celtics were falling apart
with turnovers. But it wasn't like the game was over.
Here's Joe Missoula, head coach of the Celtics defending NBA champions,
talking about the injury.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Obviously, you're always worried about someone's help. So the fact
that he had to be carried off, you know, like
you said, you know, he's a type of guy that
when he gets right up, so he didn't, and you know,
we'll know tomorrow exactly what it is. But yeah, I mean,
it's tough to watch a guy like him get carried
off like that.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Here's Derek White talking about TAM's injury.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I mean, obviously that's our brother, and so you hate
to see him go down, and like we just know
the type of guy he is and just stuff to
see him go down. But obviously right now it's it's
pretty low because of the game and he's got a
final way to win Game five.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Tom Thibodau's head coach of the New York Dicks. He
said this about the series being over.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
We got in a hole, but I love the way
we fought back, showed a lot of toughness and more
discipline in the second half, and then timely plays, everyone
working together on both ends of the floor. So I
think it starts with your defense, and then you have
to have a lot of toughness and then you have
to do it together. And I thought the guys did that.
You just got to keep fighting, you know, And that's
(04:03):
that's sort of the nature of the game is when
you're playing a three point shooting team like that, there's
going to be variances in the game where there's runs
and you can't go away. You got to keep fighting,
and they have the ability to, you know, make tough shots.
I thought, we have to have the determination to come back,
to do it over and over again and stick together.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And then of course you got Jalen Bruns who at
thirty four thirty nine points and twelve assists. Again, the
big story has to be Tatum's injury, and maybe the
the part of that story is I could be wrong,
but the akillies ten and tearing, and again I'm not
(04:43):
a doctor. I don't know if that's what it is.
I thought it was the ankle, and then he's holding
his ankle, and then when you go back and look,
you're like, all right, well that's non contact. Only two
injuries that make sense, torn calf or torn achilles. I
just feel like the torn achilles is an older guy's injury.
(05:06):
And I don't know whether it's the body composition of
NBA players or athletes overall, But Jayson Tatum's twenty seven
years old. He's not yet in his athletic prime. Feels
would feel weird if he tours achilles tendon like Damian
Lether tore his achilles tendon what a week ago, week
(05:28):
and a half ago. But Damian Liller is like thirty
four years old. Kevin Durant did it, he was in
his thirties. This is Jason Tatum in his twenties. Gay.
It almost makes me think, are we doing something wrong
with how we build players' bodies from the ground up
when they're young athletes in the rise that lead to
(05:51):
these injuries now happening earlier instead of later, Like people
are gonna let live longer. I know there's some environmental
things that are always going to cap it, but it
does feel like we pay way more attention to our
health than our parents did, and our kids even more so.
Right Like when we were kids, we ate the type
(06:16):
of fast food, everything was fried, all sorts of carbonated beverages.
None of them are good for us. Now it doesn't mean,
the kids eat one hundred percent healthy now, but they
are more health conscious now than I think many people
were when we were kids. And then I think you
if you look at people who are in their thirties
and forties and the way in which people are staying
in better shape in their fifties as well, think about
(06:39):
fifty years old now as supposed to fifty years old
when you were a kid, what people look like. I
think people are going to live longer. Injuries are easier,
maybe not easier, but they take shorter period of time
to come back from. And things that happened in your
thirties previously now happened in your forties, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. Why are Achilles ten in injuries? And again
there is no scientific research behind this, but why are
(07:01):
they happening more often? And even athletes who are younger
that That's what I'm kind of wondering. I don't know, byer,
When you were watching last night and you see Jason
Tatum went go down, what went through your mind?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Game over? Series over?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah? Yeah? You know. The the other part to it
is we make we make this big deal about what's
what's it called when you're managing somebody's body and you're
setting them out. The load management right, load management in truth,
(07:40):
load management is you know, some sort of term that
we've described that was put in place to minimize injuries
like this. Injuries we thought wear and tear. Again we
can it doesn't mean it's worked and problem if you
(08:00):
did the math, they would say it hasn't worked. But
one of the major factors for our entire lifetime, Dan,
like you and I have a good enough wealth of
knowledge in the NBA to go through year after year
after year like injuries have told the story oftentimes of
who's going to win the playoffs. Even going back to
Celtics Lakers back in the eighties, the Pistons when they
(08:23):
initially played the Lakers, remember the first year Isaiah Thomas
had an incredible game six on a spring and ankle
game seven not so much like we had. Injuries led
to whoever won championships year after year after year. This
is not new and one of the there's a myriad
of them, but one of the reasons that the Spurs
started managing guys minutes was they started to get older
(08:44):
and they want of their guys healthier. In the postseason. Well,
we're still doing load management, and it feels like the
injuries are just the same in terms of numbers of
guys and even the level of guys that are hurt.
It may signify that there is no true way around
get injuries, soft tissue or not by managing how many
(09:05):
minutes somebody plays in the regular season.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
It's also interesting, Doug, and just to look at like
Damian Lillard, as you mentioned earlier, ends up rupturing his
achilles and we had almost seemingly felt like, okay, well
we've only got one so far. Yeah, thank goodness, like
we've made it this far. Like it felt like even
in other years there were maybe more significant ones and
(09:29):
you would have a bracket that you could then point
out in each round, Well, this injury happened, This happened there.
But you're right, it has always been something of the past.
But what is crazy now is you talk about load management.
So Tatum's hurt, Lillard's hurt, their status now for next
season is seriously in question. And if they even are
(09:52):
able to come back next season, they're going to be
probably limited into what they try to play and how
to transition into that season. I mean, it's just a
not just Katie and Klay Thompson anymore. It seems like
it's here, there and everywhere.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, I forgot. I totally forgot Klay Thompson. Great call,
great call. I mean, think about it. It's really now.
Guys are coming back for them doesn't mean they're coming
back better players. I mean Kobe Bryant was the shell
of himself when he came back from it. Granted he
was a lot longer into the tooth. When Dominique Wilkins
came back from it, he was not nearly the same.
(10:30):
That was a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Kevin Durant has been really really good at times, not
maybe the same, but again, part of that is he's
bounced to different teams. He's a little bit older. You
mentioned Klay Thompson. He's obviously not been the same, but
also older. But it's it is fascinating. I just don't remember,
(10:53):
and maybe some of this is we didn't cover injuries
the same. I didn't remember the volume of Achilles injuries
we have now, especially at the top of the athletic world.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
And the other domino that I think plays into this
is there was a question even though they won the title,
last year on if Boston doesn't get it done this year,
what changes do you have to make and the changes
that you would have to make in Boston, Well, Jason
Tatum would either be in those plans or be out
of those plans, but right now he's not a part
(11:25):
of those plans. So if you're Boston and I believe
that they're going to lose this series, I don't think
they'll win these next three games, but even if they do,
I think they're going to be at a disadvantage and
win the title. What do you do moving forward? In
how do you chart who you are? Because I do
think for as great as the Knicks have been, there's
been something wrong with Boston. And it reminds me in
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the NFL, Doug when a team comes out and maybe
jumps out to a twenty one, twenty four to nothing
lead because they're throwing the football all over the field
and everybody's fresh and having a great time. But maybe
the team that's slow and steady runs the football, wears
you down, is able to then get a stop on defense.
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You know, one of those sort of things like this
recipe of the Knicks coming back and beating the Celtics,
if it's the third time that this has happened. And granted,
the deficits weren't as big in Game four last night
as they were in Games one and two, but I
think that there's something there and there's something that's missing
with Boston And now how do you look at what
their future is because you don't know about the status
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of Jason Tatum. So does that put Jason Tatum for
as great as he has been in the picture or
out of the picture. I think that's a huge offseason dilemma.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Now now he has a contract extension, like here's the
here's the part of of the new Supermax contract, which
gets really interesting. And again, I don't know if you
agree with this, but I think Nico Harrison's having an
unbelievable week and a half.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
We haven't gotten to the fact that the lottery last night,
the Dallas Mavericks won the lottery, Not that that could
ever be part of Nico Harrison's grand plan, but his
argument was, Hey, this dude's never in shape. He's always hurt.
Talk about Luca and the more you're not in shape,
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the more often you're going to get hurt. And then
he would have been Luca would have been eligible for
the Supermax contract in Dallas this offseason. And what does
it look like when you have a supermax player who's injured. Well,
we'll give you Jason Tatum. Next year. Jason Tatum is
going to make fifty four million dollars. That's a direct
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fifty four million dollar caphit fifty four to fifty eight,
sixty two sixty seven, and then the last one is
a player option for seventy one million dollars. They're on
the hook for five years guaranteed at what looks like
about a what a sixty two sixty three million dollar
average you do the math, it's like a three hundred
million dollar contract. That's what we're talking about. It's five years, okay,
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five years at over three hundred million dollars in overall value.
It's five years, three hundred and thirteen million dollars. Now
he'll come back and play. And again we're we're assuming,
we're guessing it's at Achilles ten and we're hoping it's not.
It's that fair, Dan, like, I haven't seen any official okay,
but the point is that if you're Nico and you're
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sitting there going yes, won the lottery. You obviously feel good.
And then Luca looked pathetically out of shape and didn't
play defense in the playoffs and they lose. And then
you go like, hey, are you less or more likely
to be injured over the next five years if you
always come in out of shape And the answer is absolutely.
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And Jason Tatum, who's never had those issues with conditioning,
he goes down. And this is where you're talking about
the Celtics plans, whatever plans they have. Not only do
you have to make them without Jason Tatum in mind,
but you have to make them with Jason Tatum on
the salary cap. There's nothing you can do to get
that fifty four point one million dollars off your salary cap.
It is crippling when a guy gets hurt with this
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kind of contract. So, yeah, the Celtics are gonna lose,
probably lose this series. Yeah, it's gonna cause for them
to have to resthink some things, and all of that said,
there's nothing they can do to move this Jason Tatum
contract and that number sits, sits and sits and sits.
Sam just chimed in Tomarcus Cousins towards Achilles at the
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age of twenty seven, like Tatum, great great example, DeMarcus
Cousins was never the same. Of course, to mark your
Cousins was not in shape. But still it does feel
like there's a scourge of these things in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
This is the best of the Done Dot Leaf Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It's the gotleib Shit Fox Sports TRADEU. Antonio Daniels about
seven minutes away or so. We'll get his thoughts on
Jason Tatum's injury, Steph Curry's injury, the Dallas Mavericks getting
the number one pick, the San Antonio Spurs getting the
number two pick. He's a former San Antonio Spur. What
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the draft means for the Pelicans, the team he covers.
We've got a lot to get to with Antonio Daniels.
But all you can ever ask for in life is
the chance to say my bad and move on. We
give that to Dan Byro with something we call buyer's remorse.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Some have remorse.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior
I engaged, but.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
There's nothing quite like buyer's remorse.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Dog.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
At the start of these NBA playoffs, I felt that
one team would probably come out of the East in
a very very strong fashion, and that would be the
Boston Celtics. Now in the West, I did like oak
Lahoma City coming out of that bracket. But I'll tell
you what, when you talked about that Jason Tatum injury
earlier in the show, it was at that point, just
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even prior to that and seeing the Knicks make their comeback,
because not only was a game over in series over
on that injury, it was also on that play and
that steal that likely was sealing the deal.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
And it just.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Continues another another awful prediction week for me in the NBA.
I got all game ones wrong, I think entering this round,
and it still continues to be poor because I was
like Paul Pierce, I thought the Celtics would end up
bouncing back. I did think Minnesota was the better team
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and beating the Warriors, and it looks like they're going
to but without Steph Curry that's a cakewalk. Oklahoma City
is having trouble with the Nuggets. I didn't think that
would be the case. And I thought that the Calves
were gonna roll over the Indiana Pacers because Facers don't
playing in any defense. Doug, I still cannot get the
NBA playoffs right. It's probably bad news for Minnesota as
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I'm starting to lean that maybe I'm gonna pick them
instead of the Thunder in winning it all at this
point of the postseason. But yeah, I just can't win
for trying when it comes to predicting these NBA playoffs.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, it's really hard. It's hard because we watch teams
like we pay attention too much, but the regular season
matters too little, and then you factor in injuries. It's
it's very difficult, very difficult. So Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio, Okay, let's welcome in a guy
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who Man, he's been around this thing for thirteen years
as a player. He won NBA Championship with the Spurs
in ninety nine. He's color analysts for the Pelicans, and
of course he's got his own show on NBA Radio.
He's Antonio Daniels. He joins us on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
What was your what were your first thoughts when you
saw Jason Tatum go down, go down last night with
the injury.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
It had to be his achilles. That was my That
was my immediate thought, and I text a couple of
friends that I know, and that's the only word that
I put achilles, and you can tell because it's number
one is not contact. But also he did it the
same way Damian Lillard did his, and sometimes it's just
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stepping wrong. If you remember the way Kobe Bryant tore
his achilles, you know, he put his foot back to
like push off of it, and then you know, immediately
guys grab for it. Immediately, guys grab for it. So
and I don't even know if that's if it's actually
been reported yet actually like medically what it is, but
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it has not.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It has not officially No, I mean.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
No, yeah, I thought it was an achilles immediately.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I know DeMarcus Cousins tore his at twenty seven. DeMarcus
is a bigger dude, right it fell Kevin Durant, Yeah,
but he was in his thirties. It felt like it
was more of a past your prime injury, even with
Lillard tearing his this year. Uh. It also feels like
it's happening more often now than it used to. Maybe
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it's just we cover these injuries more. What are your
thoughts on the volume of these achilles injuries, especially now
to a guy who's twenty seven, maybe not even in
his prime.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
You know, I had this conversation with somebody this weekend
as far as you know, why this does it feel
like it's happening much more now than it is, And
I don't, you know, I don't know what the reason
and rationale is. Like, you know, depending on who you
talk to, they'll tell you something different. You know, it
could start at the grassroots level, you know, the fact
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that you're breaking your body down then because guys are
playing in tournaments and playing, you know, fifteen games in
three days, you know, so it could start. Who knows,
you know, I don't. I'm not a doctor. I'm not
knowledge enough about the injury to know you know, what
brings it, why it happens, or why it's occurring more
frequently now than ever. I can tell you what though,
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it definitely changes the foreseeable future for the Boston Celtics
stealth in a number of ways.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yep, okay, So if you're the Celtic first, do they
have any chance in the series? Down three games one,
assuming Tatum doesn't play, assuming can you start as bad
as we think?
Speaker 7 (21:22):
I mean, yes, they have a chance because they have
a championship DNA. But it's not just the Jason Tatum
injury part. It's the fact that none of us really
know what's going on with Christos Barzingis, you know, and
if you told me coming into this series that Christos
Berzingis would only play fourteen to fifteen minutes a game
and not be available to start and not be at
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full strength. And he's a huge part of what they do,
a huge part of what they do. He's a unicorn
seven foot two, seven foot three rim protect and block shots,
spread the floor. So you remove that from the equation,
you remove Jason Tatum from the equation. You know, would
think that maybe they can get a game because of
their championship DNA, you know, kind of going off of
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the Jason Tatum news and the fact that him not
being available, you know, you can kind of use that
as momentum. We saw Golden State do it when Steph
Curry left the game in Minnesota. So it's like, but
I just can't see them beating this New York Knicks
team three times in a row. They're extremely resilient.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah. The prisingiest thing is interesting, Yeah, because remember Dallas,
you know, jettisoned him and he was oft injured there,
and this one has just been a weird one where
it's been an all year lingering thing. We don't know
what it is. And then their ability to move pieces
is going to be hard because Jason Tatum is going
to make fifty four million dollars next year and you
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can't move that contract and you can't lessen the the
blow to yourself.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
No, but once you can do is you can move
some of the ancillary pieces that have been a big
part of what they do. Sure, you know the Drew Hollidays,
the Derek Whites, you know the christophs worzingis Is, the
Louke Cortnett, you know some of those guys. But the
thing is, if you remove one of those guys from
the equation, it's not the same team. I don't think
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anybody's gonna pay want to take in Jalen Brown's the
richest contract in NBA history. Nobody's gonna want to take that.
So you figured they're stuck with Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. Okay,
that's fine, but now you look at everybody else around them.
Drew Holliday has been a key piece in championship basketball
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bretherend Milwaukee now in Bostons right, Derek White, He's a
key piece. So there are certain teams in this league
that feel like they are a player or two away
from being where Boston is now. And that player or
two may be Drew Holliday, maybe Christops Worzgas or maybe
Derek White.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Just don't tell Brad Beale that Drew has been a
major piece. Two championship that.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
Don't get me started. Don't get me started.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
There are always going to be people who think things
are rigged. Uh, what's your reaction to people saying that
Dallas winning the draft lottery and even san Antonio getting
the second pick shows that this thing is it was
going to.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Someone was going to say that it was going to
be rigged regardless, because tell me, if san Antonio would
have got the number one overall pick, people wouldn't have
said it was rigged, no question, Yes, of course they
would have. So, I mean, you know, it is what
it is. That's I'm I'm not a fan of that,
that thought process. It is interesting, though, it is interesting
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after everything that's transpired in Dallas this past year, with
the trading of Luca and him going to LA and
and Kyrie Irving going down, and you know, it seems
like a lot of mad fans jump ship. You know
what's a way to get them back? Because I guarantee
you all those Mass fans that jump ship and says,
you know what, we are not renewing our season tickets.
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This is not what we're doing. I am no longer
a mass fan for life. When they got the number
one overall pick yesterday, that definitely changed things. Yeah, you
know what I mean. Me, I'm sorry, Doug. Let me
let me tell you my beef with this though. My
beaf with this is I'm you know, I'm trying to
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think of the most politically correct way of saying this.
There were teams that were purposely taking without guys entered, right,
that were purposely taking without Now when you got guys injured, right,
I am the Coloradas for the New Orleans Pelicans, de
Jontay Murray was out for the season, Trey Murphy was
out for the season, Herb Jones was out for the season.
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Hodi Alvarado was heard, Dion was hurt, Seedy was hurt.
I can go down the list, but when you have
teams that are fully healthy and tanking, I'm I'm inside.
I'm glad they didn't receive that that first overall pick,
because I don't think there should be a benefit. You
should not be rewarded for for openly tanking with a healthy,
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healthy team.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Oh I I agree. That's why. You know, Dan Byer
brought it up earlier where he's like, hey, you know,
the the Mavericks did win a game in the play
in tournament? Should they have been penalized? And I'm like no,
that Like, the whole idea of restructuring the lottery and
the play in is to encourage fewer teams to tank,
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to to know, fewer, Yeah, fewer teams to tank, and
and if you penalize the team like Dallas, who it
looked like, Honestly, it looked like with a month left,
they wanted a tank and not play Anthony Davis. And
then they got pressure to play them. Then they started
winning games, then they got into play and then they
won a game, then they lost the game. They're done.
I actually think they're the perfect team to be rewarded
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with it earlier pick because they they they very easily
could have shut ad down for the year and then
thought the hurry on it and probably probably been fine.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
I could not agree with you more. You know, a
team that actually went out there and played and tried
to win. There were teams in this league that were
taking since January yep, tinkings to January. And the thing is,
when you take in January, it's only ain't fourteen percent
chance that you get the number one overall pick fourteen percent,
So it's not like the old days where you have
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the worst record in the league you're guaranteed the number
one overall pick. We can go back and look at
some of the number one overall picks that weren't supposed
to end up where they ended up. So when teams
openly take, when you have a healthy roster and you're
choosing to sit guys out, you're choosing to low manage guys,
you're choosing to not have guys play even though they're healthy.
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I'm glad that those teams did not receive the benefit
of the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Let me just ask you. We haven't talked since Lebron
did the interview or he's like, yeah, I don't lose
any sleep over losing, you know, me and Luca, but
eight other guys on the floor. How does that sit
with you?
Speaker 7 (28:08):
The thing is, there's nothing Lebron can say where people
are gonna be okay with it that there's nothing that
people can say you think like, you're not that good.
You're not that good. You don't play that long without
having a competitive gene that most people don't have. That
that's just the two, don't the two don't intertwine like
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they have to come together. You aren't as good as
Lebron's names is. You are not in the don't conversation
without having a different tier competitive gene. So when he
says something like that, you know what people are going
to say, Oh, well, you know what, Michael would never
say that, or Kobe would never say that, or whatever
it may be. And I get, I get the thought process.
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But just because he said he doesn't lose sleep. Basically,
as you get older, Doug, and you know this, your
priority change. Your priority. Shit, the things that are important
to you now at forty or fifty years old were
nearly as important as they were at thirty years old.
So to me, Lebron James, this seems like a mature
athlete that has his priorities together. I don't think of
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it like when I hear that. I don't think well, man,
you know what, Lebron ain't got no heart. I don't
think of it that way. I know he does. I've
competing against him. I watched him dominate this league for
twenty plus years. So if he comes out and at
forty years old says, you know what, man, we lost,
it sucks. I don't want to lose. But I'm not
losing any sleep over this. My kids are healthy, I'm healthy,
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I have a healthy marriage. Look, I'm going to steal,
continue to try and wins head missions. I grafted that concept.
I'm not chirping on that.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Who is the NBA Championship now? Who's the best team remaining?
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Oh my gosh, man, man, you know what's wild though?
What you you know, like before the playoffs starts, we
all make predictions, right you major predictions as far as
who you thought was going to win each series, who
you think is coming out the East, who you think
it's coming out the West. You know what, we didn't
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have an opportunity to take into consideration that the road
changes were going to be this drastic. I didn't think
that from Game one to Game eighty two, and then
from Game eighty three on that there would be this
much of a difference from the regular season to the postseason.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
You, I do, just because that's kind of been the trend, right,
I mean, I guess, well, I mean yeah, I mean
we've had we've had this, and we've had injuries. I
think we have a conflict confluence of injuries. Steph. Obviously,
now you know you have Jason Tatum, the defending NBA
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Finals MVP, Right, so you have a couple of really
big names and then Cleveland all of a sudden, just
wid friend injuries that have cost them. And we've had
other teams that have last year Oklahoma City regular season record.
Years in the past, the Celtics have had the best record,
Lebronz team had the best record with the Cavs in
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that year. Early on, we've actually had some of this.
It just it feels heavier because you're getting both injuries
and discippointing teams in the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
But for me, it's not even the injuries. I'm talking
about the physicality.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Sure, Like right now it.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
Feels like we're watching the playoffs from the nineteen nineties.
You know, when we won the championship in ninety nine. Yeah,
you know, not one team scored over one hundred points
in that series, and what David Stern said at that
time is this is not entertaining, so things have to change.
But now, if you've watched this playoffs, watch how many
of these teams are not reaching one hundred points. I
have watched a game with the Denver Nuggets scored eight
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points in the quarter and the Minnesota Timberwolls scored thirty
one points and a half. The physicality is completely different
than what it was in the regular season. This feels
like the eighties that were watching. They they're letting guys hold,
they're letting guys arm arm, bar, they're letting guys handtack,
They're letting guys push over screens and bust up driple handoffs.
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This is a completely different game in the playoffs that
we did not see during the regular season. And it's visible.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that has actually happened more often
over the last twenty years than maybe it feels like
to you. It's always been more physical, maybe more so
this year because it's so loosely officiated the regular season.
But it's it's great. You STI don't answer my question,
who's the best team remaining.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Right now is Oklahoma City. That's who all I have
to go with right now, because if I take into
consideration the physicality how the rest are allowing them to play,
Oklahoma City is the best remaining teams in the playoffs
as far as plenty of attack defenders are concerned, and
they can score to basketball, they can beat you too way.
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They can beat you big with a dual center lineup.
They can also beat you small with putting Isaiah Hartenstein
or Ched Holmgren at the five and surrounding him with
four scores or shooters. Right now, and I will say,
Oklahoma City telling.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You the best.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Man.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Love your the intensity of your analysis and the honesty
with which you provide it. Thanks so much for joining
us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
I appreciate you anytime. Brother.
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Speaker 1 (33:31):
What Up with you Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio? Uh,
We're broadcasting live on a Today's Tuesday. Today's Tuesday. We
have a little I don't love like predictions, but little
preview of tonight's Oklahoma City Denver game in a moment,
do we all know what tomorrow is? Tomorrow is NBA
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NFL schedule lease day. And I think there are things
in which we can miss judge in life, right Like
who among us hasn't missed judged the timing of a
joke or the subject of a joke. There's something interesting
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there with the NFL and the schedule. But before we
get to that, let me get you to Dan Byer.
He's got some breaking news first in the world of sports, Dan,
What's new?
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Breaking news from Fox.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Sports dug A report from ESPN's Don Van Nata Junior
says that Major League Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred is removing
Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson, and others from Major League
Baseball's permanent ineligible list that would make Rose and Jackson
eligible to be enshrined into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Good, let's have this discussion. That is the most cowardly
crap I've ever heard of in my life. And obviously
some of this stems from the pressure you're getting from
the President of the United States. Pete Rose was a
horrible human being. That shouldn't keep him from being in
the Baseball Hall of Fame. What should is that people
who actually paid attention to the Dowd Report will tell
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you that Pete Rose one has never come clean about
his gambling on baseball. Two, when he initially began gambling
on baseball, he was a player coach. And three, please
stop the insane, stupid, myopic. I love Pete Rose argument
that the only bet on his team to win, because
if you only bet on your team to win, but
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you don't bet on your team every day, what does
it tell the people you called in as a bookie
is going to happen on those other days? He violated
a one of the core laws of all sports, specifically baseball,
which is you bet on the sport, you better in
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the sport. So again, I understand you're like, well he died,
now what does it matter. It's symbolic. And again, Peter
Rose just a terrible person, terrible person, great ballplayer. Okay,
great ballplayer. But this is like somebody dies who had
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a perfect score on the SAT. They cheated on the
SAT and then they die, like, yeah, you know what,
we should let him into Harvard after all. Like now
it's posthumously doesn't really mean anything. It does mean something.
It does, it does, it absolutely means something. No p Rose,
you don't get into the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame,
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and all the political pressure can mean whatever it wants
to mean. Baseball have some have some balls, Just have
any You already let steroid guys in there, Okay, at
least you have enough to keep the guys you know,
Roger Clemons, Barry Bonds out great, Martin McGuire not in great.
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Sammy Sosa shouldn't be in great. Okay. There's other guys
that we know by Rodriguez, Okay, not a secret. There
are others that most people suspect, like a Mike Piazza. Okay,
you felt like there wasn't any proof. I don't know
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what you can do except for asking any of their contemporaries.
There is, by the way, a way in which you
can prove a guy did or did not use steroids
if you want to be in the Hall of Fame.
Before every season, major League Baseball players have to take
a physical. That physical, they take blood, they take urine. Why,
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because your contract has to be insured in order to
be sued. They have to run through a series of tests.
Those tests and what they found still exist. And for me,
if you want to prove that you are on steroids,
all I got to do is say, hey, listen, the
Hall of Fame Sledge Committee can see my tests before
any season they want, and it will show that I
wasn't on steroids. They won't do it, and they'll cite
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privacy laws. But the real reality is the only thing
they're protecting themselves from his testing positive for steroids. Anyway, Anyway,
pet Rose does not belong in the Hall of Fame.
Does not belong in in my opinion, yes, Dan Byer.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
Just some clarity on this ruling from Commissioner Rob Manfred.
Manfred Is ruled that any player deceased that is on
the permanently ineligible list will become eligible for Hall of
Fame consideration. The reason why I think that this point
is important I think others as well, is there are
people who are saying, well, great, now that Pete Rose
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has passed, now he can go into the Hall of Fame.
That is not what manfred Is ruled. Manfred has stated
that once the person's life is over that that ends
the ban. So if Pete Rose were alive today, he
would still be banned from going into the Hall of
Fame and still be on the permanently Ineligible list. The
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Hall of Fame has just released a statement saying that
Major League Baseball's decision to remove deceased individuals from the
permanently Ineligible list will allow for the Hall of Fame
candidacy of such individuals to be considered. The Historical Overview
Committee will develop the ballot of eight names for the
Classic Baseball Era Committee, which evaluates candidates who made their
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greatest impact on the game prior to nineteen eighty, to
vote when it next meets in December of twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
So now what they did was they restarted the same fight, right,
It's give me in a different committee, a different way
of doing it. And I get it. You're like, well,
it's lifetime, he died. Lifetime band should be over, Like
just what is what is the point so that person
doesn't get a chance to experience be in the Hall
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of Fame, but their legacy does.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
I think this is just a guess and just to
also clarify, and then I'll quickly make my point. This
doesn't mean Pete Rose is going into the Hall of Fame.
It only means that he can be up for discussion
along with shoelas Joe Jackson in December of twenty twenty seven.
There is the Specialty Classic Baseball Era Committee. It's how
Fred McGriff got in. But it's not every year that
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you vote for a player from a previous era to
get in. There's a rotating schedule of it. So the
next time that this group of players is up for
possible enshrine in or induction will not be decided until
December of twenty twenty seven, which would make it the
Class of twenty twenty eight. And with that being said,
they still would have to be voted in. Doug. So
(41:01):
the thought process. If there are voters who feel the
way that you do, they do not have to vote
Pete Rose or shoeless Joe Jackson into the Hall of Fame.
This just opens the door for their possible induction of
the possibility that they are voted in, But the votes
could also speak for themselves in putting them in or not.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
No, I listen, I get it. You still have to
get the votes. I just this thing had been decided,
and the further we get away from it, the further
the less likely is that voters have read the Dowd
Report or have any true sense, and our sensibilities have
kind of changed, like well, you know, like what is
the real big deal? People gamble all the time now
they do in the phone like no, no, no, this is
(41:42):
a completely different deal that was going on there. This
is the old call in your bookie. And the reason,
by the way, that you don't allow people to bet
on sports is because what happens is I don't believe
athletes should be allowed to bet on any sport. I
(42:04):
just don't. Because what happens is when you get behind,
a guy comes to do you to go They well,
you've got a couple of choices, hee, right, like you
give us a figure or or or you take care
of us. You know, you don't have to lose. You
just don't have to win by so many. You don't
have to you don't have to win, but you just
(42:24):
lose by so many? What about go ahead?
Speaker 5 (42:27):
What about the families? Because that's where it feels that
this is being done. I mean, we've got it. You know.
We have a high profile case going on here in
southern California that I think most of the country realizes.
In the men Endos brothers right now and what is
going on, and it seems that they have full support
from their family members in them. Maybe not the best comparison,
(42:51):
but you're wondering on now that these players are deceased,
does it does it do anything for the families in
that point if you were a descendant of shoeless Joe Jackson,
or if you are a relative of Pete Rose, does
it does it change anything for you?
Speaker 1 (43:14):
No, because you weren't in You didn't do nothing anyway. No, No, listen,
just I I hear what you're saying, right, but I don't.
That's like whitewash in comparison to the Wave. Sure, Pete
(43:36):
Rose has done everything the exact wrong way you're supposed
to do it. He he never admitted sort of fault.
Remember he used to hold autograph signing like right across
the street where he's supposed to. You know, he basically
was the O. J. Simpson of the if I did
it right, that's that's how he would act. And not
(43:56):
even getting into some of the other things about Pete Rose,
all the which I'm not I can't hold that against him.
That has nothing to do with this, and frankly, it
has nothing to do with his unbelievable drive. Like I
even think taking out Ray FLOSSI was a chicken crap move, right,
Like you're in an All Star game and you're gonna
go and dive and take out a catcher to home plate?
Like what are you doing? He will, are that guy?
(44:20):
Go ahead there?
Speaker 8 (44:21):
Jay stew In is two thousand book My Prison Without Bars.
He writes, I bet on baseball in nineteen eighty seven
and nineteen eighty eight. That was my mistake not coming
clean a lot earlier, so he admitted in that book.
And remember the criticism at the time was is that
he did it to sell books.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
I believe he actually And look, everybody is biased by
knowledge of or proximity to situation whatever. My first radio
co host when I was at ESPN, this is two
(45:05):
thousand and three. I think we worked together three or
four years was Chuck Wilson. And we'll try and get
Chuck on. Chuck is the foremost authority on Pete Rose
betting on baseball, and I mean he still has. I
think he still walks around with a copy of the
Dowd Report and when things would come out, he's like, yeah, no, no,
(45:26):
I actually read the Dowd Report. And he was betting
on baseball, and every piece of chum he threw out
was all some sort of It was a lot like
how many of us handle things that have gone wrong
in our life. We admit to whatever the lowest common number.
So I would admit I'm wrong. He did admit that
he bet on baseball, but I don't believe he ever
(45:47):
admitted to betting on baseball when he was a player manager.
And part of it is I don't think people remembered
the fact that Pete Rose was a player manager. But
he was. He was Bill Russell only in Major League baseball.
He was a player manager, which is kind of crazy
(46:10):
if you really want to think about it. Right, Like
he was a it was a two year period eighty
four through eighty six. So when did you admit to
betting on baseball.
Speaker 8 (46:19):
Two thousand and four? The book?
Speaker 1 (46:21):
No, But what years did he say? A bet a man?
Speaker 8 (46:24):
Eight season?
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Right? So he curiously omitted the fact that he was
actually and again in the Dowd Report, he was betting
on baseball the in eighty four and eighty five and
eighty six, which is when he was a player manager,
so he would have direct impact on the game. Like
I've never been Somebody said that Pete Rose is an idiot.
(46:46):
He's not okay, but he thinks he's smarter than people,
going like yeah, yeah, no, I bet on baseball as
a manager. It was only for us to win, Like yeah,
if you actually read the Dowd report, he was betting
on baseball ball when he is a player manager, which
those years do not coincide with the years he described
in the book.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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