September 14, 2017 • 42 mins
Doug previews Thursday Night Football between the Texans and the Bengals tells you that although this game is important, it will be very ugly. He also explains why it is always disrespectful to kneel during the National Anthem, but that's probably what protesters are trying to accomplish. He talks to Michael Lombardi from The Ringer about how the Giants hope to improve their sluggish offense.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the dun got Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio Boom, What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio Live and direct from the City of Angels. Well,
we got a bad weather day today. The only difference
in a bad weather day in Los Angeles and a
bad weather day where you are is it's still seventy
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five degrees. Sorry, all right, let's get after it. Uh.
Tonight is a ridiculously, ridunculously important and yet awful night
in the National Football League? Right? Can we just can
we just be completely honest? Three days off in between
games is a bad idea, especially coming off the energy
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that's needed to play in the National Football League. Um,
but when you couple that with the importance of tonight's game.
I don't like must win games. I know the statistics
are devastating if you fall behind in two to start
the season, but you get as close to an important
game in the second game the season you can possibly
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get up your Marvin Lewis Marvin Lewis is still the
coach of the Bengals. He's not won a playoff game
with the Bengals, though he's been part of the Bengals turnaround.
People forget the Bengals were the Browns before they started
winning games again to the playoffs. But last year they
had a disappointing year. This coming off of a game
that they should have won. I thought a couple of
bad calls went against them against the Pittsburgh Dealers and
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Joey Porter should have been penalized two years ago. But
Vonte's Berfeck lost his mind, so too to the Bengals,
and what should have been a win and should have
cemented Marvin Lewis as the long term coach, the Bengals
instead threw up in the air. Then last year uh
Perfect was suspended, Tyler Eiffort was hurt, and the season
was a joke. Right, So they start the year with
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the home loss of the division rival the Ravens twenty
and nothing. Their quarterback has four turnovers, three interceptions and
a fumble, and now they have the Houston Texans coming in. Now,
what we know about Thursday night football is it is
both terrible and important all at the same time. It's
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terrible because you just you can't. The turnaround is too quick, man,
It's too quick. Like some things take time, they just do.
It's like you're gonna sacrifice something. My favorite french fries
in the entire world are McDonald's French fries. Okay, I'm
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not trying to disrespect your favorite french fries. I'm telling
you my personal perspective is as somebody who rarely, if
ever eats true fast food anymore. Right, it just don't
like I will if I see a check fil a sign,
I'm probably pulling over. But I'm not big on the
waffle fries. But I gave this little tidbit, like I
think this is important as father's to give these little
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tidbits to your kids. And my son said, like, I
don't really like awful friends, Like, well, listen, whatever fries
you do, Like, here's here's a little tip pro tip. Okay,
say you're willing to wait, right, say none of the
I don't want the fries that were waiting. I'll wait,
make a new batch and like really like, yeah, if
you do that with McDonald's french fries, and the salt
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to french fry ratio is just right, oh oh oh,
totally worth the caloric intake. It's not close. And my
point is that while look, you can get when you
pull into a McDonald's and fast food, like you can
get fries in a hurry, but they run the risk
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of being cold. They were made for somebody else, not you.
One of the reasons that In and Out Burger is
as popular as it is in the Western United States
and starting to finally spread to Vegas, Texas and things
like that, Um and I in shake Chack guy easy dude,
Five guys guy easy, right, Like everybody has their thing.
There are parts of five Guys are like I'm a
California guy, like In and Out Burger, like Hommy Burger's
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wild they underrated chili on all your burgers anyway, Fat Burger.
Fat burger is a real thing. It doesn't just exist
in an ice cube song. Relish on all the burgers.
If you don't think it's good, try it. It used
to be a place called I think it was Peo
Pears in Lincoln, Nebraska, where they had a peanut butter cheeseburger,
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and as much as that sounds disgusting, it was amazing
trying and we're grilling out this weekend. Try it anyway.
Point is, you can have things made quickly, but you're
going to sacrifice something. You're you're the likelihood that it's hot, fresh,
and made to order. It's just not possible, right, and
I think we all know that, but you're always going
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to be let down. Whereas like you pulling in an
out burger and the lines are crazy, crazy long, and
though they're making the burgers technically, they're still made to order.
Did you get it? The fries are hot, the lemonade
is cold, and the burgers are just so right, Like
that's what I want, Like I want to get fries
that are so hot. I actually you need to wait
a second before I bite in, and I'm still gonna
buy and got hot but so good. That's the same
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thing with the NFL. You can have games on Thursday night,
but they're not going to be good, but that doesn't
make them any less important. And for the Bengals, this
is a crazy important game. It's not just that their
coach is coaching for his job. And I know he's
given a contract extension, but we know how that works
in the NFL. But you could have fired him last year.
You could have fired him after the joke in the playoffs.
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I wouldn't verified him at the playoffs. I wouldn't have
fired him laughter. Last year but you start owing two
with two home losses to two a f C teams,
especially as bad as they looked in Week one of
the season. And I know they don't have perfect but
I want you to keep this in mind. They're at home,
They're playing against a rookie starting quarterback who is without
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what five players to concussion, including all their tight ends
are out, and they don't have Dwayne Brown, they're starting
tackle outside of that, Mrs Lincoln, how is the show? Like?
The Texans offense is terrible? And you're most likely like,
is it hard to prepare for Deshaun Watson in three days? Sure,
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but it's a lot hard for Deshaun Watson to prepare
for a pro defense in three days, isn't it. So
I'm not one of these guys that goes must win,
but boy, this is a a huge game. And then
you couple it with the fact that here's the here's
the benefit to playing on a Thursday night. What sucks
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is it's way too quick, right, It's fast food that's
already waiting for you to which you're gonna sacrifice the quality.
That's just the way it is. And we can bitch
and moan about it and point out how poorly played
it will be coming off a poorly played first week
of the NFL season. That's really the story of the
NFL was. Anybody who says they don't need preseason watch
the NFL first week like they're not really sharp. Why
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they don't play enough. There's no two days, they only practiced,
their only in like two or three preseason games. Guys
aren't sharp, But in order to keep them healthy, that's
what you do. The benefit to it is if the
Bengals can win a game. If they can win a game,
they're gonna get the Packers, who have a slightly shortened
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prep time because they play on Sunday night against the Falcons.
They can get together watch the Packers play, and while
they're not gonna be a favorite going into Green Bay,
it gives them a much better chance to win and
you feel a lot better about yourself. Worst case scenario,
you get a week and a half to get super healthy,
and then you get the Browns on the road and
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the Bills at home, a chance to climb back to
three and two. Even if you lose to the Packers,
but you lose this game, you lose to home games,
you still gotta go to Pittsburgh. You still gotta go
to Green Bay, you still gotta go to Tennessee. You
still have to go to the Minnesota Vikings, to the
Baltimore Ravens, to the Denver Broncos. You lose this game
and the Bengals are not gonna make the playoffs, and
Marvin Lewis is probably gonna get fired. That's the way
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it goes. That's how important tonight is, and and like
this is. We talked a little bit about this with
the Mayweather McGregor fight, which is part of the part
of the flaw in the scoring and boxing. Like in
the n b A, you don't get it. You know,
it doesn't go like, well, you won that quarter, you
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get one point. You want lost the second quarter, you
lose one point. Like, it doesn't work that way, right,
it's who had the compiled most points at the end.
But we count all the points in the first quarter,
all the points in the secon quarter, all the points
in the third quarter. Right, in boxing, every round counts
the same. Now, if you get a knock down, obviously
this one last point, you get a point taken away.
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The point was like Mayweather was allowing McGregor to win
the first three rounds, but the disparity of winning rounds
one and maybe two and three um as opposed to
how badly maywe they're beat the crap out of him
in like the sixth, seventh, and eighth round before and
ninth round before knocking him out in the tenth round,
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right like he destroyed him in the ninth round, whereas
he didn't really throw a punch in the first round,
and though we lost, he threw like four punches and
McGregor hit him with two punches, that's it, and did
nothing to him, But that counts equally. The first round
counts equally the ninth round. The point is the NFL
season is wins and losses are like a boxing match.
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It doesn't matter how badly you beat somebody. It doesn't
matter that the Bengals lost twenty and nothing they could
win counts is one. And so this is a ridiculously important,
sure to be poorly played set up for the Bengals,
who are without Vantes perfect do have they look, they
do have other injury issues. They have all kinds of
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offensive line what losing Andrew whitworth Man, they got all
kinds of offensive line issues. But the fact is the
fact is that you got Adam Jones back from suspension.
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You're playing at home against a rookie quarterback who's without
five starters, actually six of you count Dwayne Brown. That's
how beating up. The Texans are on a short prep week,
and in front of you is Packers in the Road,
Steelers in the road, Vikings in the road, Titans on
the road, Jaguars in the road. I'm not willing to
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say make or break. I'm not willing to say losing
cancer the season, but this is while it will only
count as one round in the sixteen round heavyweight battle
that is the a f C North or the a
f C to get in the playoffs, this round feels
more important then last round or other round to come
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and got me terribly played, doesn't matter, you get the
weekend off. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Eastern noon
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I have a long drive in to work and I
like to listen to Fox Sports Radio. The only other
thing I download is from The Ringer. It's Michael Lombardi's
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podcast and he joins us now on the Doug Gottlip Show. Michael,
the story that everyone in the NFL is talking about
is one that you have discussed, and you kind of
brought this to everybody's attention. It's the idea that hey,
as good as Carson Wentz looked in that huge win
for the Eagles Week one of the season, winning in
d C to start for the Eagles. There's some there's
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some uneasiness within the coaching staff. Jim Schwarts had previously
been a head coach is uh by by other people's
authority inside that locker room, inside uh that facility, uh
kind of undercutting the authority of their head coach, uh
to tell me are about just how bad this is. Well, look,
I didn't report that. I don't know if that's accurate
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or not. In fact, I don't think that is in
fact accurate. I think they took my story, Doug, and
they kind of ran with it a little bit, saying
that I my story was this, and we did it
on the ringer on some videos. We kind of laughed
about it. Because you, being a basketball guy, perhaps you're
too young to remember the great Roy Ruben from Long
Island Blackbirds who became the head coach of the seventies sixers,
and they proceeded to go forward forty two during his
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stint as the head coach, and Roy unfortunately passed away
last year and had to live with that for the
rest of his life. My point was looked. I don't
think that Peterson was He was the least qualified coach
whoever became a head coach. The head coach in the
NFL is a harder job to get to the United
States senator, right, there's only thirty two of these jobs
hard to get and he got it without a lot
of qualifications. Now, then the Philadelphia media, being Philadelpi meat,
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they kind of picked up on it and said, well,
Lombardi's friends with short so obviously this must know. I'm
close with Jim, we worked together in Cleveland. I love Jim,
I love his family, But I didn't talk to Jim
about it. I was can my own opinion based on
what I've seen of the Eagles, and let's face it,
nobody could say there's any undercutting going on because Doug
doesn't even pay attention to the defense. Schwartz runs the defense,
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Doug runs the offense, and that's how the Eagles operate
their football teams, so that story kind of manifested itself,
and whether I'm right or not, I think it will
be proven over time. I think Doug's gonna have to
prove that he can help create a situation for Carson
Wentz where he throws the ball more accurately over over
ten yards. He's fifty under fifty percent over ten yards,
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And can they make explosive plays that he designs, not
the kind of ones that look like Brett Farmer Ben
Roethlisberger where he runs around, breaks six tackles and throws
it up the field. You mentioned that that he wasn't
terribly qualified, especially in comparison to others who have gotten
these jobs. Um, it's interesting because there's kind of a
litany of these new head coaches. Sean McVeigh, who was very,
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very youngest head coach in modern football history, he gets
a job. Now, what he did was he turned the
defense over to Wade Phillips, whose ex experience and qualified
as anybody in the game. But but again he doesn't
have a lot of say or even any input into
the defensive side. You have. We saw Denver and San
Diego coach by young head coaches that had previously not gotten, uh,
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not gotten a sniff at head coach bands Joseph for one. Uh,
let's start with with Sean McVeigh. What are your thoughts
on Look, there's a talent gap between the Colts, not
just without Andrew Luck, they have other injuries. They don't
have the talent of other NFL teams and the Rams.
But how do you think he's done so far in
this very short snippet of what the Rams look like? Well, look,
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I think he did a really good job last week,
and I was the first condemned them. What I liked
what he did was with Jared Goff. He played Canadian football,
so he Canadian football. To me is you try to
get first downs and two downs and stop trying to,
you know, run the ball like San Diego did on
first down against Denborg. Then we're gonna come back and
run the ball against second down against Denbur And oh,
by the way, now we're in third and eight. That's
not where you want to What was what was that?
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I have no idea and I'm not sure it was
Kenn Wilson hunts fault. I think a lot of it.
I could see the head coach Silent wanted to run
the ball, but I thought, what what what? Seawan did
a great job of. You know, he had him throw
eleven times on first down. Jared Goff, he was eight
for eleven on first had the average over twelve yards
of completion on first out, and so that allowed to
drive to get started. That allowed him to get some confidence.
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And to me, Jared Goff is the symbolic player of
a seven on seven quarterback. When he has time in
the pocket and he can throw the ball and it's
a seven on seven drill without a lot of rush
around him, he will look very effective. The key is
gonna be when people start heating him up, when they
start bringing pressure and overloads, and he's got to make
quick decisions and read like what happened in the Charger game,
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and he's got to kind of find a way to
do that. That's what I want to see. The Colts
didn't get any of that done. The Colts didn't even
try to get any of that done. I'm not sure
what the Colts thought they were watching in preseason, but
if you're gonna play Jared Goff, you can't let him
get comfortable on first down. You gotta go after him,
and that's how you have to play it. I think
this week Greg Manuski will do that. I think the
Redskins will attack it. It's gonna be a good game because, look,
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the Skins have practiced against the Rams offense since they
started O t A days and the Rams have practiced
against the Redskins offense since they started, So it's almost
like an inter squad game. I think it's gonna be fascinating.
Um are we starting to see Kirk Cousins ceiling? You know?
I think, look, they did a horrible job protective. The
one thing, and this is what I said about my
Eagle report, the Eagles defensive front last year was really good.
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They ran out of gas, they got some guys hurt,
they couldn't they had no depth in their defensive line.
They took over the game. I mean, if you want
to give game balls out in Philadelphia, Wentz made a play,
but the Eagles defensive front controlled the game and they
had chances. They took some chances. I mean Cousins Mrs
uh Terrelle Pryor had some critical drop store in the
game and they had a chance to win the game.
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The Redskins, the Redskins are throwing the ball in the
red zone with a chance to win the game, and
Kirk misses a throw. I thought it was a true
team effort. I think the Redskins mistake this summer, and
I reported I kept saying it all summer. They were
more interested in getting their team healthy to the opening
day than they were getting their team prepared for the
opening day. And I think that showed its face on
Sunday against the Eagles. This is the voice of Michael Lombardi.
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Spent years working in the NFL as a general manager,
all the different jobs and of course you've seen him
on TV. His his podcast is available on The Ringer.
He joins this weekly here in the Doug Gotlip Show
on Fox Sports Radio. I pointed out that tonight it's,
you know, like you hate to go Musk win game,
but for the Bengals to lose two in a row
at home, considering they still have to go to Green
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Bay next week, Pittsburgh, Uh, you gotta go to Denver
later in the season, like they had some very Baltimore
still ahead of them. You go to and you would
go oh and two at home and you're facing a
rookie quarterback a team that's lost five players to concussion
and oh yeah, by the way, playing without Dwayne Brown
their left tackle. Like, if you can't beat the Texans, now,
how is there any hope for the Bengals they get
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Pacman Jones back. I know they're playing with that Vontes perfect.
What went so was how much of it was Andy Dalton?
How much of it was the line? In terms of
the four turnovers and the disaster against a very good
defense in the Ravens. Andy Dalton's remarkable to me, I
called him quarterback. He throws more interceptions or turns the
ball over down in the right or he got two
passes tipped in the air last week for interceptions and
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the one interceptions the really bad one to c J. Mosley.
They picked him off running the same exact defense that
they ran against him on that play they did a
year earlier, only they disguised it slightly. And to me,
it's just boggles my mind how Andy Dalton can't get
comfortable playing the Ravens defense because he's played it enough
to feel like he would know it. That being said,
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their offensive line, I mean, this game is gonna feature
two of the worst offensive lines in football. I don't
know how the Texans allowed the Jacksonville to run the ball.
Jackson only made one play last week of over twenty
yards in the passing game, which is remarkable to win
a game doing that, But they ran the ball effectively.
So this game is really two bad lines going against
each other. I think Houston's defense can win it because
I just don't see Andy Dalton making enough throws J J. Waltz.
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The J. J. Watt is the greatest ball tipper of
anybody I've ever seen. He gets he bets more balls
up in the air and and Dalton is one of
the great guys who throws it in the defensive lineman's hands.
So I think this will go back and forth. Look,
unless the unless the Bengals start playing better, it doesn't
matter who's on their schedule, they're not gonna win enough games.
They got to try to find a way to get
their playmakers. I think the guy that they really need
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to play more is Joe Mixing. It looks like he
has the juice the athleticism to really make some big plays.
I think if I were the Bengals, I would play
Mixing a lot more. Uh. Michael Lombardi joining us on
the Doug Gotli Show. You mentioned not having explosive plays, uh,
and the Eagles struggling, for example, to throw the ball downfield.
You mentioned the Jaguars. One team that did have explosive
plays was the Vikings, right, and the criticism of Sam
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Bradford has always been he's He's Alex Smith everything. If
it's it's possible to check down, remarkably accurate quick release
and maybe it's because he's been injured so much, but
he gets rid of it as quickly as possible. They
had eight plays a pass plays of twenty yards or more.
Are you buying uh, Sam Bradford in terms of what
he did Monday night that he can replicate it throughout
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the season. Yeah, they did. They ted overall as a
team and the next best team to them were the
Buffalo Bills who had eight. So they did a great
job and make an explosive plays. And the common theme
there is both of those teams that made explosive plays.
One I think this about quarterbacks. Quarterbacks are like boxers.
You can win the first round of the match, you
can't always win the fight. And for me, Sam Bradford's
got to prove two things. Kenny keep his eye level
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down the field, will he stop? Will he stop throwing
it down the field and take the checkdowns? And be
Kenny stay healthy. And if he answers those two questions
with yes, is then this Viking team is a really
good team. Then this Viking teams with Seattle and they're
with Green Bay as the two best teams in the
NFC as the NFC. I like their defense, I like
their kicking game. And the whole thing is Sam Bradford
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making throws up the field and his eye level not
going down. He felt a lot more comfortable about that
offensive line, and the Vikings felt more comfortable about their
offensive line, which allowed them to throw the ball more effectively.
And when they operate under that CFL mentality of trying
to get first downs and two downs, Bradford stays out
of third downs, stays out of taking those hits, and
he also age fresher and healthier. It's it's fascinating on
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how the the the CFL mentality is so big this
year in the National Football League. Michael Lombardi joining US,
I noticed you didn't mention the Dallas Cowboys. My layman's
takeaway not somebody like you spent your entire professional life
inside NFL front office. My layman's takeaway is des Bryant
can't get open and elite level anymore. And honestly, Dak
Prescott showing that he's not terribly accurate. Now, look, they
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got a first down every time they got the football,
which is huge for your defense, obviously huge for your quarterback.
And they still have a very good offensive line. But
I'm not sure they have the playmakers on the outside
that people think they have. Am I wrong to think that? Well?
I think, look, is a power player does. Is like
a power forward is going to drive to the rim,
and you're gonna have a hard time stop with it
from getting to the front of the basket. And and
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even though he may not have the lightning fast speed,
he's a problem. When he gets the ball in his hands,
he becomes a bigger problem. I thought, you're right. I
thought Dac didn't throw the ball. It didn't come off
his hand as well as it did last year. It
didn't feel comfortable to him. And look, they didn't beat
the Cowboys of last year. I don't think they felt
comfortable with what they were doing offensively. I don't think
there was a sense of confidence they won the game.
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They kind of were tiptoeing around. I think the Cowboys
are good in this area. They're very effective on third down.
They don't mind having three downs. They like to control
the ball keep their defense off the field, and that's
what they did against the New York Giants. And the
Giants really didn't have an answer for him in terms
of a scheme blitz that they did last year. They
blocked those up this year and they couldn't get home
with it. So unless you're gonna get a lot of
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pressure on deck on first and second down, it's gonna
be hard to win against him on third down because
he's very effective, and they've got enough players that can
create one on one mismatches And went on third down,
what about this week that they go to Denver. Now, look,
if it gets to third down, that's where they can
unleash Von Miller and that vaunted pass rush. But it's
a smaller, more athletic defense, one that you can run
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the ball. At least something in the at least in
the first half, was able to run the ball some
against How do you like that matchup of the power
running game and the Cowboys against the speed and pass
rush of the Broncos. I'd never like a run game
when it travels, it's hard to hear, especially in all
out stadium like in Denver. With a snap counts supposed
to be your friend, but it's not. When you go
to Denver, you can't here and come off the ball.
I think Denver's quickness will give them some problems, and
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I think Denver will move the ball effectively on them.
I think Denver suited perfectly to attack this Cowboy defense
the way they're going to play. And I think Trevor Simeon,
if he can stay healthy, which I don't think he's
another guy, he's a player that he's like a picture
in baseball. He can go four or five innings, but
I'm not sure he can finish out the whole game.
I think he plays well only the season, like he
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did against Carolina. I think this will be a tough
game for the Cowboys because I think the Broncos, coming
off a short week, have the style of game that
gives the give the Cowboys some trouble. You mentioned that
the Packers and Seahawks and then Vikings in terms of
town atop the NFC He also didn't mention the Falcons
Packers traveled down to Atlanta. How different are these two teams?
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And I know that the Packers weren't healthy in their
back end last year, but why do you think the
Packers are are so much more talented in comparison to
the Falcons and they were last season. Well, I just
think that the Packers have done a good job. Their
defensive front really well. Mike Daniels was dominant in there,
Kenny Clark played well, Clay Matthews coming off the corner,
they can rush the pass or now, look, they just
cut Gunther the star corner last last year that they
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put on Julio Jones in the game. I mean, remember
that game. Gunther was gardening most of the game. They
cut him. He didn't even make their team, so we
know they have more depth. I don't mean any disrespect
for the Falcons of the Cowboys. I think those are
five really good teams. I think if they were in
the a f C, they would have a better chance
of having home field advantage than a lot of the
teams in the a f C because they are good.
I just don't think Atlantic can continue the pace that
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Matt Ryan has been on the average ten yards of
completion against the Bears. I don't know if that's gonna
be able to go. Last year he was at nine
with Kyle Shanahana's offensive coordinator. I don't know if he
can do that again. But I think the fact I
think the Packers defense is much improved, and I think
that will be the difference in the game. They're faster,
they're more explosive, and they can cover better. And I
thought they dominated the Seattle Sea last thing. You're extremely
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coach close. I know with Bill Belichick, no one's better
at making adjustments on the fly, especially early in the
season than Bill Belichick. But Michael, they don't have a
pass rush and that how do you fix that? Well,
I think they just have to keep that and sometimes
not having a pass rush makes you rush better. I
know it sounds crazy, but instead of having guys flying
up the field, they can power rush. Look, when you
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play Drew Brees, all that matters is getting into the paint.
You gotta get in front of him. You gotta get
in front of him, and you've got to force him
to have to step up in front of you because
if you come from the outside, he just steps up,
he finds the passing lady makes dart like throws. So
for the Patriots, they got to go back to a
little bit of a traditional offense defense. Last last week
against Kansa, they try to play a nickel front with
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Jordan Richards on the outside. He kind of got pushed
around a little bit out there. It wasn't big enough
to hold up. Alan Branch didn't do his part lining
up over the center. They got to get better at
that position. Look, it's an ongoing evaluation for this team.
They gotta get better. They gotta find a pass rush trade.
Flowers can rush and he will rush effectively against both
these tackles. For the Saints, whether they can get another
rush of that remains to be seen. Outstanding stuff. Do
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I Heart Radio app. Jeffrey Lourie is the owner of
the Philadelphia Eagles. He's also somebody that has never been
shy with his with his feelings. He's not a guy
that's coy or not comfortable in saying what he thinks
and thinking what he says. The question as an owner
in this league is a follow up to Colin Kaepernick.
There are a number of people who believe he's been blacklisted.
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How would you address that? That's from John McMullin. Was
that was the question was asked. This is Lori, who's
again the owner of the Philadelphia Eagles, speaking on the record.
I think the definition of blacklist in some discussion among
people to not hire or not approve of something like that.
I've never had a discussion about that with anybody. Doesn't
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work that way. There's no communication. We're very competitive against
each other, the thirty two owners. I don't reveal anything.
They don't reveal anything. There's no discussion that ever takes
place about any player. In my twenty three years in
the league, I've never had any discussion of a player
like that. You keep it yourself. You have your own strategy.
That's the way it works. The preliminary question about Kaepernick
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was this, would you sign Colin Kaepernick if you need
a quarterback? What do owners around the league? Around? The
league's response? Uh, what do owners think? What? What do
you think owners around the league's responsibility is when it
comes to players demonstrating in the name of social injustice?
Jeffrey Lory, that's kind of two questions in one. By
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the way, that's a terrible flaw in the question. You know,
I just ask a question, get an answer. Let me
focus on social injustice. It's a big problem in America.
Social injustice. It's a problem around the globe. Anybody who
wants to do proactive things try and reverse social injustice,
I'm all in fame grow. It has to be respectful.
It certainly has to be respectful the military and the
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people that serve that, the men and women who serve
our country, emergency responders, whoever that is you've you've got to,
I think, do it in a respectful way. But I
applaud anybody who finds respectful ways of trying to use
their platform in some ways to discuss social injustice. We
all need to discuss it. We've all seen it around us.
We live in the city that that has a lot
of it. There are multiple issues. They're not simply racial issues.
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There are a lot of economic issues. Players have gritten determination.
There's no boundary to how gritten determination can get expressed.
I'm not talking about Colin here. I'm talking about the
concept of social injustice in America and elsewhere. Sports is
an opportunity to bring people together. I see it as
an opportunity. I applaud players who can bring communities together.
We see it all the time. I think it's great.
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Following up on Kaepernick, you say you applaud anyone who
finds it respectful ways to use their platform, is kneeling
for the anthem and respectful to you? How do you
react to that? Here's Jeffrey Lori. I don't think anyone
who is protesting the national anthem in and of itself
is very respectful. If that's all, If that's all their
platform is is to protest the national anthem, then what's
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the proactive nature of But I think we sometimes can
misinterpret what those are. I talked to Malcolm Jenson's about it.
He's very involved in our community here. That's my involvement
with with Malcolm it's what can you do as a
player to be involved in the community where it's social injustice,
whether it's autism, you name it, there are opportunities to
really be proactive. We as a franchise blah blah blah
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blah blah, particularly we think of the issues company wide
like autism and other things. Um, would you sign Colin Kaeptrick?
I have no idea. We're completely happy with our quarterback situation.
So like every position, every position situation, I mean, if
it happened, we'd have to fully evaluate it. With Mike
vick Uh, there was a complete vetting. How is he
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as a teammate, What is his character? What is potential?
What is his football intelligence? Can he be a backup
in Michael situation shouln't? Or a third string? Is that
the time period? It's a whole series of evaluations. That's
how we approach player acquisition. I don't want to talk
about any specific player. So here's my takeaways bullet by bullet.
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It's great. It's very easy to say that there's collusion
among owners, that they all got together and decided Colin
Kaepernick you're out. Jeffrey Lori says, in twenty three years
of ownership in the NFL, there has never been a
discussion about one player. And I think it's fair to
say that because he took on Mike Vick out of prison.
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If he was if there was never a call, if
there was never some collusion from owners, hey we shouldn't
really have Vick. It's bad for business. Blah blah blah
blah blah. There's a guy who would know. He said never.
Never is a big word that means it never happened.
When asked about acquiring, he's like, look, we'd have that discussion.
We just don't need a quarterback. And the only part
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to which someone might find I don't know, mildly offensive.
He's like, look, if you're just kneeling for the flag,
it really doesn't do anything. And yeah, he found it disrespectful.
I don't think anybody would would actually, if you actually
look at it, is it disrespectful to Neil when the
national anthemy has been played? Hell, yes it is. It is.
Now if you're intentionally being disrespectful in order to bring
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attention to something, and then you was great, that's your intent,
But you're gonna have to realize that what you're doing
is disrespectful. It is um And keep in mind that
quarterbacks starting quarterbacks have the ability to bring attention to
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whatever the hell they want, and the weekly press conferences
which they have, in the weekly call ins to radio
shows which they all have now did. Did Colin Kaepernick
accomplish his task his goal by bringing attention? Like, yeah,
but what's next? I know he has donated money, I
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know he's done many public works. I understand all of that. Um,
But but don't say that what kneeling before the flag
isn't disrespectful. It is. It's intentionally disrespectful. And knowing that
you're disrespecting people, you better be able to stand up
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and answer for why you're doing it and do so
an eloquent fashion, which, by the way, Kaepernick really didn't
do last year. Minder Kaepernick didn't even vote and bragged
about it as much, said he was a political didn't
like either side. So there's a lot to it. I
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think you can you could be somehow offended by Jeffrey Lory.
I think he's pretty honest. He tells us there's no collusion,
he has no reason to lie. But he also is
a guy who has no reason to go after Colin Kaepernick,
but he also didn't close the door on the idea
of Colin Kaepernick becoming his quarterback if, in fact, Carson
Wentz went down with an injury, which he frankly has not,
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and hopefully, for Carson Wentz's sake, it does not happen.
Here's Richard Sherman on the player's tribute earlier today. Does
he deserve a job, And of course he deserves a job.
He saw a quarterback played throughout the league and it
was terrible. You know what happened to Indianapolis? You know,
I mean, you're saying they can couldn't use Kaepernick. That's yeah,
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that's crazy. It's unfortunate that a man is unemployed right
now who was a pretty good ball player want his
fair share ball games. They're lesser Talentcy Guy's employee because
they ate there, because they didn't send up for calls us.
It's it's fair to mention that he lost his job
as starter. It's also fair to mention he was in Seattle,
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right like he was in Seattle. He visited and they
didn't offer him a contract, and they actually offered a
contra back to Austin Davis who came in and then
beat out a Trayvon Boykin. So I one, I think
Richard and rich Dreman like, he's not wrong about the
Indianapolis Colts, not wrong at all, not wrong at all.
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But I would also tell you that I'd say in
Indianapolis one, Andrew Lucky is going to be the starter.
They don't want a guy who they don't want to go.
They probably thought Andrew Luck be back by now. Andrew
Luck was a practice, wasn't throwing earlier today. My guess
is he'll be back playing probably by next for the
following week. So it's like again, you if you go
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around the league and tell me about the quarterback issues,
you want to say Denver one, Denver one. Secondly, he
had a chance to join Denver's team before last season.
He had to take a pay cut. He chose not to.
He wouldn't take less money, like, let's not And once
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you once one, you do that and they already have
Trevor Simeon and they're invested in in uh Peyton Um
Paxson Lynch, sorry Paxson thinking Peyton Hills because I saw
Peyton hillis Jersey. Do you guys remember Peyton Hills was
on the cover of Madden. You remember that Peyton Hills
was in the cover of Madden. I'm sorry, yeah, I'm
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all screwed up. Yesterday I was we had at Fox Sports.
Yesterday was Founder's Day yesterday, which is September. Fox Sports
launched right in four I said, right the third, three
years ago anyway, So for Founder's Day, like everybody on
the Fox slot could wear like they encourage you to
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wear like a jersey, and I saw a Pax Uh,
Peyton hillis jersey, and I was like, wow, you want
to talk about a guy who had fifteen minutes in
the NFL. He had that one great year with the
Browns and he was on the cover of Madden. He
looked like a G I. Joe figure, That's what he
looked like. And then it was gone and he was
like the third running back. You remember that, Remember who's
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in the backfield with a Arkansas buyers more of a
college guy that then who is in the backfield with
him at Arkansas mcfad Jones. It was a pretty sick backfield.
Only better backfield was Auburn's um slightly before that, right,
Jason Campbell is a quarterback yeah, two running backs for
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who Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown, and who was their
third string who transferred to Southern Illinois and then became
a running back won a Super Bowl with the Giants
at Bradshaw. Who wasn't Brendan Jacobs. That's right, Jacobs, Brandon Jacobs.
Those are some expensive backfields in the SEC. I mean
talented backfields in the SEC. Anyway, let me bring it
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back to Kaepernick, like, look, I think it is a
team by team decision. Do I think that there is
some of the protest, Yeah, I think that, But I
also think that you have to be honest with yourself
and if you're Richard Sherman, like, look, he was in Seattle,
they wanted to backup. They didn't want him. Now, maybe
they didn't want him because I was told Russell Wilson
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was like, I don't want him as a backup. I've
told you before that one of the things about being
a backup is you have to be all in on
helping the starter be better. And some of the messaging
you heard from from the Seahawks when he visited and
wasn't offered was we think he's a starter. He thinks
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he's a starter. In other words, he don't into that
whole backup helped to start a role, and they have
Russell Wilson is our starter. Remember the Seattle Seahawks went
out and signed Austin Davis, who beat out Trayvon Boykin.
They had Colin Kaepernick on their premises and didn't either
didn't offer him or he didn't accept, and they said
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he was great, but he's a starter, not a backup,
and we already have a starter. So I thought, Jeffrey Laura,
I think he's pretty honest. He thought, as they think
it's disrespectful to Neil, he thinks he can't just kneel
and then not do anything about it, which I think
is totally fair. He said, there's never been any collusion.
There's no blacklist out there, there's no floating kind of like, hey,
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you can't sign this guy. We had Mike Vick, nobody
told us then you can't sign him. Nobody's told us
with Colin Kapiti kan sign him. They asked him if
you signed Kaepernick, and he's like, look, we we review it.
We thoroughly vet it, just like we did with Vic.
But right now we don't need one be sure to
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Radio and the I Heart Radio app. And now. Chris
Carter is a Hall of Fame wide receiver. He had
this to say about Dak. I would say less than
five of all the NFL players I've seen over the
last thirty years, they're all system players. Dan Marino no
system player. Barry Sanders, no system player, Lawrence Taylor, no
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system player. These players were so great at their position
they could have literally gone anywhere and play. Now. I
know you guys think this game is easy. I know
a person crossing me think that practice is not important.
But this is not tennis, all right, This is not
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Raphael Nadal, this is not Jordan's speed. We are talking
about the most team oriented sports in the world, and
that is the NFL. Thinking that would be great anywhere,
y'all are crazy. Okay, thinking that would be great anywhere
is crazy. I agree. Look, I think Dak Prescott's a
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nice player. He's fine. I think he gets them in
the right stuff. He's he's he's not terribly accurate, he's
good out of the pocket. Um He's decent in the pocket,
but he runs the benefit of having a great running
game and a great offensive line and uh an incredibly
bright tight end and a star wide receiver. Like he's
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got all the things going for him. And as much
as I've been critical of Eli Manning and so it
was Colin earlier day, like, putt Eli Manning behind that
offensive line, with that running game and and those skill
position players, how do you think he plays? Plays? Great?
Plays great, you know, put him behind one where you
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don't have much of an offensive line. He's back there
running for his life. He's Deshaun Watson like it's he
has always struggled when he had to reload and find
his third and fourth option, that's when he starts to
get a ratic. And he was a radic on his
second option. Really, going back to Sunday Night, a good player,
a good player, but the lack of refinement in his
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skill is pretty apparent if you're actually watching, you're actually
paying attention. Yes, music, why is it that you think
NFL teams then aren't willing to spend a bunch of
money on their offensive line and then maybe go with
someone that's more the average side of quarterback. Because it
sort of seems like if you look like what we
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talked about with like the Seahawks, like they paid a
bunch of money to the defense and to Russell Wilson,
and so they've had to suffer on the under the
salary cap on paying for their offensive line. Why wouldn't
she just be like, we're gonna have the best offensive
line possible, so that that way, even if we have
a sea level quarterback, no one's gonna touch him. And
then if we can get a halfway decent running back,
he's gonna be able to run through just massive holes.
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You know, has the most expensive offensive line. I do
not open writers who has one of the best offensive
lines in football? Oplend writers? Um, look it doesn't. That
doesn't mean it's always that way, right, There are other
teams of Patriots are like twenty four. They have a
good offensive line. The problem is everybody everybody has tried
that just you know, the two cheapest are the Seahawks
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and the Bengals, both have terrible offensive line. Texans are
are the fourth cheapest. They have a terrible offensive line.
But the Vikings rebuilt their offensive line and in terms
of cap there a uh Tennessee built through the offensive line,
and that didn't work. It doesn't always look sometimes you
just doesn't always work. It kind of all has to
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go together, and it's it's hard. It's not easy. I
mean the Chargers drafted to offensive linemen early in the draft.
First one goes down with a torn a c L
like in the first first week of the preseason, like
that stuff. It just happens. So um, it's a look.
It's always been the Raider. The Rams have tried to
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do that. Rams tried to build from the inside out,
but they didn't have a quarterback and didn't have skill
position players. They couldn't beat anybody. You need a little
bit of both.
This is the best of the dun got Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio Boom, What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio Live and direct from the City of Angels. Well,
we got a bad weather day today. The only difference
in a bad weather day in Los Angeles and a
bad weather day where you are is it's still seventy
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five degrees. Sorry, all right, let's get after it. Uh.
Tonight is a ridiculously, ridunculously important and yet awful night
in the National Football League? Right? Can we just can
we just be completely honest? Three days off in between
games is a bad idea, especially coming off the energy
(00:45):
that's needed to play in the National Football League. Um,
but when you couple that with the importance of tonight's game.
I don't like must win games. I know the statistics
are devastating if you fall behind in two to start
the season, but you get as close to an important
game in the second game the season you can possibly
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get up your Marvin Lewis Marvin Lewis is still the
coach of the Bengals. He's not won a playoff game
with the Bengals, though he's been part of the Bengals turnaround.
People forget the Bengals were the Browns before they started
winning games again to the playoffs. But last year they
had a disappointing year. This coming off of a game
that they should have won. I thought a couple of
bad calls went against them against the Pittsburgh Dealers and
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Joey Porter should have been penalized two years ago. But
Vonte's Berfeck lost his mind, so too to the Bengals,
and what should have been a win and should have
cemented Marvin Lewis as the long term coach, the Bengals
instead threw up in the air. Then last year uh
Perfect was suspended, Tyler Eiffort was hurt, and the season
was a joke. Right, So they start the year with
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the home loss of the division rival the Ravens twenty
and nothing. Their quarterback has four turnovers, three interceptions and
a fumble, and now they have the Houston Texans coming in. Now,
what we know about Thursday night football is it is
both terrible and important all at the same time. It's
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terrible because you just you can't. The turnaround is too quick, man,
It's too quick. Like some things take time, they just do.
It's like you're gonna sacrifice something. My favorite french fries
in the entire world are McDonald's French fries. Okay, I'm
(02:35):
not trying to disrespect your favorite french fries. I'm telling
you my personal perspective is as somebody who rarely, if
ever eats true fast food anymore. Right, it just don't
like I will if I see a check fil a sign,
I'm probably pulling over. But I'm not big on the
waffle fries. But I gave this little tidbit, like I
think this is important as father's to give these little
(02:57):
tidbits to your kids. And my son said, like, I
don't really like awful friends, Like, well, listen, whatever fries
you do, Like, here's here's a little tip pro tip. Okay,
say you're willing to wait, right, say none of the
I don't want the fries that were waiting. I'll wait,
make a new batch and like really like, yeah, if
you do that with McDonald's french fries, and the salt
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to french fry ratio is just right, oh oh oh,
totally worth the caloric intake. It's not close. And my
point is that while look, you can get when you
pull into a McDonald's and fast food, like you can
get fries in a hurry, but they run the risk
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of being cold. They were made for somebody else, not you.
One of the reasons that In and Out Burger is
as popular as it is in the Western United States
and starting to finally spread to Vegas, Texas and things
like that, Um and I in shake Chack guy easy dude,
Five guys guy easy, right, Like everybody has their thing.
There are parts of five Guys are like I'm a
California guy, like In and Out Burger, like Hommy Burger's
(04:00):
wild they underrated chili on all your burgers anyway, Fat Burger.
Fat burger is a real thing. It doesn't just exist
in an ice cube song. Relish on all the burgers.
If you don't think it's good, try it. It used
to be a place called I think it was Peo
Pears in Lincoln, Nebraska, where they had a peanut butter cheeseburger,
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and as much as that sounds disgusting, it was amazing
trying and we're grilling out this weekend. Try it anyway.
Point is, you can have things made quickly, but you're
going to sacrifice something. You're you're the likelihood that it's hot, fresh,
and made to order. It's just not possible, right, and
I think we all know that, but you're always going
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to be let down. Whereas like you pulling in an
out burger and the lines are crazy, crazy long, and
though they're making the burgers technically, they're still made to order.
Did you get it? The fries are hot, the lemonade
is cold, and the burgers are just so right, Like
that's what I want, Like I want to get fries
that are so hot. I actually you need to wait
a second before I bite in, and I'm still gonna
buy and got hot but so good. That's the same
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thing with the NFL. You can have games on Thursday night,
but they're not going to be good, but that doesn't
make them any less important. And for the Bengals, this
is a crazy important game. It's not just that their
coach is coaching for his job. And I know he's
given a contract extension, but we know how that works
in the NFL. But you could have fired him last year.
You could have fired him after the joke in the playoffs.
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I wouldn't verified him at the playoffs. I wouldn't have
fired him laughter. Last year but you start owing two
with two home losses to two a f C teams,
especially as bad as they looked in Week one of
the season. And I know they don't have perfect but
I want you to keep this in mind. They're at home,
They're playing against a rookie starting quarterback who is without
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what five players to concussion, including all their tight ends
are out, and they don't have Dwayne Brown, they're starting
tackle outside of that, Mrs Lincoln, how is the show? Like?
The Texans offense is terrible? And you're most likely like,
is it hard to prepare for Deshaun Watson in three days? Sure,
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but it's a lot hard for Deshaun Watson to prepare
for a pro defense in three days, isn't it. So
I'm not one of these guys that goes must win,
but boy, this is a a huge game. And then
you couple it with the fact that here's the here's
the benefit to playing on a Thursday night. What sucks
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is it's way too quick, right, It's fast food that's
already waiting for you to which you're gonna sacrifice the quality.
That's just the way it is. And we can bitch
and moan about it and point out how poorly played
it will be coming off a poorly played first week
of the NFL season. That's really the story of the
NFL was. Anybody who says they don't need preseason watch
the NFL first week like they're not really sharp. Why
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they don't play enough. There's no two days, they only practiced,
their only in like two or three preseason games. Guys
aren't sharp, But in order to keep them healthy, that's
what you do. The benefit to it is if the
Bengals can win a game. If they can win a game,
they're gonna get the Packers, who have a slightly shortened
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prep time because they play on Sunday night against the Falcons.
They can get together watch the Packers play, and while
they're not gonna be a favorite going into Green Bay,
it gives them a much better chance to win and
you feel a lot better about yourself. Worst case scenario,
you get a week and a half to get super healthy,
and then you get the Browns on the road and
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the Bills at home, a chance to climb back to
three and two. Even if you lose to the Packers,
but you lose this game, you lose to home games,
you still gotta go to Pittsburgh. You still gotta go
to Green Bay, you still gotta go to Tennessee. You
still have to go to the Minnesota Vikings, to the
Baltimore Ravens, to the Denver Broncos. You lose this game
and the Bengals are not gonna make the playoffs, and
Marvin Lewis is probably gonna get fired. That's the way
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it goes. That's how important tonight is, and and like
this is. We talked a little bit about this with
the Mayweather McGregor fight, which is part of the part
of the flaw in the scoring and boxing. Like in
the n b A, you don't get it. You know,
it doesn't go like, well, you won that quarter, you
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get one point. You want lost the second quarter, you
lose one point. Like, it doesn't work that way, right,
it's who had the compiled most points at the end.
But we count all the points in the first quarter,
all the points in the secon quarter, all the points
in the third quarter. Right, in boxing, every round counts
the same. Now, if you get a knock down, obviously
this one last point, you get a point taken away.
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The point was like Mayweather was allowing McGregor to win
the first three rounds, but the disparity of winning rounds
one and maybe two and three um as opposed to
how badly maywe they're beat the crap out of him
in like the sixth, seventh, and eighth round before and
ninth round before knocking him out in the tenth round,
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right like he destroyed him in the ninth round, whereas
he didn't really throw a punch in the first round,
and though we lost, he threw like four punches and
McGregor hit him with two punches, that's it, and did
nothing to him, But that counts equally. The first round
counts equally the ninth round. The point is the NFL
season is wins and losses are like a boxing match.
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It doesn't matter how badly you beat somebody. It doesn't
matter that the Bengals lost twenty and nothing they could
win counts is one. And so this is a ridiculously important,
sure to be poorly played set up for the Bengals,
who are without Vantes perfect do have they look, they
do have other injury issues. They have all kinds of
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offensive line what losing Andrew whitworth Man, they got all
kinds of offensive line issues. But the fact is the
fact is that you got Adam Jones back from suspension.
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You're playing at home against a rookie quarterback who's without
five starters, actually six of you count Dwayne Brown. That's
how beating up. The Texans are on a short prep week,
and in front of you is Packers in the Road,
Steelers in the road, Vikings in the road, Titans on
the road, Jaguars in the road. I'm not willing to
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say make or break. I'm not willing to say losing
cancer the season, but this is while it will only
count as one round in the sixteen round heavyweight battle
that is the a f C North or the a
f C to get in the playoffs, this round feels
more important then last round or other round to come
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and got me terribly played, doesn't matter, you get the
weekend off. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Eastern noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
I have a long drive in to work and I
like to listen to Fox Sports Radio. The only other
thing I download is from The Ringer. It's Michael Lombardi's
(11:23):
podcast and he joins us now on the Doug Gottlip Show. Michael,
the story that everyone in the NFL is talking about
is one that you have discussed, and you kind of
brought this to everybody's attention. It's the idea that hey,
as good as Carson Wentz looked in that huge win
for the Eagles Week one of the season, winning in
d C to start for the Eagles. There's some there's
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some uneasiness within the coaching staff. Jim Schwarts had previously
been a head coach is uh by by other people's
authority inside that locker room, inside uh that facility, uh
kind of undercutting the authority of their head coach, uh
to tell me are about just how bad this is. Well, look,
I didn't report that. I don't know if that's accurate
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or not. In fact, I don't think that is in
fact accurate. I think they took my story, Doug, and
they kind of ran with it a little bit, saying
that I my story was this, and we did it
on the ringer on some videos. We kind of laughed
about it. Because you, being a basketball guy, perhaps you're
too young to remember the great Roy Ruben from Long
Island Blackbirds who became the head coach of the seventies sixers,
and they proceeded to go forward forty two during his
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stint as the head coach, and Roy unfortunately passed away
last year and had to live with that for the
rest of his life. My point was looked. I don't
think that Peterson was He was the least qualified coach
whoever became a head coach. The head coach in the
NFL is a harder job to get to the United
States senator, right, there's only thirty two of these jobs
hard to get and he got it without a lot
of qualifications. Now, then the Philadelphia media, being Philadelpi meat,
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they kind of picked up on it and said, well,
Lombardi's friends with short so obviously this must know. I'm
close with Jim, we worked together in Cleveland. I love Jim,
I love his family, But I didn't talk to Jim
about it. I was can my own opinion based on
what I've seen of the Eagles, and let's face it,
nobody could say there's any undercutting going on because Doug
doesn't even pay attention to the defense. Schwartz runs the defense,
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Doug runs the offense, and that's how the Eagles operate
their football teams, so that story kind of manifested itself,
and whether I'm right or not, I think it will
be proven over time. I think Doug's gonna have to
prove that he can help create a situation for Carson
Wentz where he throws the ball more accurately over over
ten yards. He's fifty under fifty percent over ten yards,
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And can they make explosive plays that he designs, not
the kind of ones that look like Brett Farmer Ben
Roethlisberger where he runs around, breaks six tackles and throws
it up the field. You mentioned that that he wasn't
terribly qualified, especially in comparison to others who have gotten
these jobs. Um, it's interesting because there's kind of a
litany of these new head coaches. Sean McVeigh, who was very,
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very youngest head coach in modern football history, he gets
a job. Now, what he did was he turned the
defense over to Wade Phillips, whose ex experience and qualified
as anybody in the game. But but again he doesn't
have a lot of say or even any input into
the defensive side. You have. We saw Denver and San
Diego coach by young head coaches that had previously not gotten, uh,
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not gotten a sniff at head coach bands Joseph for one. Uh,
let's start with with Sean McVeigh. What are your thoughts
on Look, there's a talent gap between the Colts, not
just without Andrew Luck, they have other injuries. They don't
have the talent of other NFL teams and the Rams.
But how do you think he's done so far in
this very short snippet of what the Rams look like? Well, look,
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I think he did a really good job last week,
and I was the first condemned them. What I liked
what he did was with Jared Goff. He played Canadian football,
so he Canadian football. To me is you try to
get first downs and two downs and stop trying to,
you know, run the ball like San Diego did on
first down against Denborg. Then we're gonna come back and
run the ball against second down against Denbur And oh,
by the way, now we're in third and eight. That's
not where you want to What was what was that?
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I have no idea and I'm not sure it was
Kenn Wilson hunts fault. I think a lot of it.
I could see the head coach Silent wanted to run
the ball, but I thought, what what what? Seawan did
a great job of. You know, he had him throw
eleven times on first down. Jared Goff, he was eight
for eleven on first had the average over twelve yards
of completion on first out, and so that allowed to
drive to get started. That allowed him to get some confidence.
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And to me, Jared Goff is the symbolic player of
a seven on seven quarterback. When he has time in
the pocket and he can throw the ball and it's
a seven on seven drill without a lot of rush
around him, he will look very effective. The key is
gonna be when people start heating him up, when they
start bringing pressure and overloads, and he's got to make
quick decisions and read like what happened in the Charger game,
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and he's got to kind of find a way to
do that. That's what I want to see. The Colts
didn't get any of that done. The Colts didn't even
try to get any of that done. I'm not sure
what the Colts thought they were watching in preseason, but
if you're gonna play Jared Goff, you can't let him
get comfortable on first down. You gotta go after him,
and that's how you have to play it. I think
this week Greg Manuski will do that. I think the
Redskins will attack it. It's gonna be a good game because, look,
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the Skins have practiced against the Rams offense since they
started O t A days and the Rams have practiced
against the Redskins offense since they started, So it's almost
like an inter squad game. I think it's gonna be fascinating.
Um are we starting to see Kirk Cousins ceiling? You know?
I think, look, they did a horrible job protective. The
one thing, and this is what I said about my
Eagle report, the Eagles defensive front last year was really good.
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They ran out of gas, they got some guys hurt,
they couldn't they had no depth in their defensive line.
They took over the game. I mean, if you want
to give game balls out in Philadelphia, Wentz made a play,
but the Eagles defensive front controlled the game and they
had chances. They took some chances. I mean Cousins Mrs
uh Terrelle Pryor had some critical drop store in the
game and they had a chance to win the game.
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The Redskins, the Redskins are throwing the ball in the
red zone with a chance to win the game, and
Kirk misses a throw. I thought it was a true
team effort. I think the Redskins mistake this summer, and
I reported I kept saying it all summer. They were
more interested in getting their team healthy to the opening
day than they were getting their team prepared for the
opening day. And I think that showed its face on
Sunday against the Eagles. This is the voice of Michael Lombardi.
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Spent years working in the NFL as a general manager,
all the different jobs and of course you've seen him
on TV. His his podcast is available on The Ringer.
He joins this weekly here in the Doug Gotlip Show
on Fox Sports Radio. I pointed out that tonight it's,
you know, like you hate to go Musk win game,
but for the Bengals to lose two in a row
at home, considering they still have to go to Green
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Bay next week, Pittsburgh, Uh, you gotta go to Denver
later in the season, like they had some very Baltimore
still ahead of them. You go to and you would
go oh and two at home and you're facing a
rookie quarterback a team that's lost five players to concussion
and oh yeah, by the way, playing without Dwayne Brown
their left tackle. Like, if you can't beat the Texans, now,
how is there any hope for the Bengals they get
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Pacman Jones back. I know they're playing with that Vontes perfect.
What went so was how much of it was Andy Dalton?
How much of it was the line? In terms of
the four turnovers and the disaster against a very good
defense in the Ravens. Andy Dalton's remarkable to me, I
called him quarterback. He throws more interceptions or turns the
ball over down in the right or he got two
passes tipped in the air last week for interceptions and
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the one interceptions the really bad one to c J. Mosley.
They picked him off running the same exact defense that
they ran against him on that play they did a
year earlier, only they disguised it slightly. And to me,
it's just boggles my mind how Andy Dalton can't get
comfortable playing the Ravens defense because he's played it enough
to feel like he would know it. That being said,
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their offensive line, I mean, this game is gonna feature
two of the worst offensive lines in football. I don't
know how the Texans allowed the Jacksonville to run the ball.
Jackson only made one play last week of over twenty
yards in the passing game, which is remarkable to win
a game doing that, But they ran the ball effectively.
So this game is really two bad lines going against
each other. I think Houston's defense can win it because
I just don't see Andy Dalton making enough throws J J. Waltz.
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The J. J. Watt is the greatest ball tipper of
anybody I've ever seen. He gets he bets more balls
up in the air and and Dalton is one of
the great guys who throws it in the defensive lineman's hands.
So I think this will go back and forth. Look,
unless the unless the Bengals start playing better, it doesn't
matter who's on their schedule, they're not gonna win enough games.
They got to try to find a way to get
their playmakers. I think the guy that they really need
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to play more is Joe Mixing. It looks like he
has the juice the athleticism to really make some big plays.
I think if I were the Bengals, I would play
Mixing a lot more. Uh. Michael Lombardi joining us on
the Doug Gotli Show. You mentioned not having explosive plays, uh,
and the Eagles struggling, for example, to throw the ball downfield.
You mentioned the Jaguars. One team that did have explosive
plays was the Vikings, right, and the criticism of Sam
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Bradford has always been he's He's Alex Smith everything. If
it's it's possible to check down, remarkably accurate quick release
and maybe it's because he's been injured so much, but
he gets rid of it as quickly as possible. They
had eight plays a pass plays of twenty yards or more.
Are you buying uh, Sam Bradford in terms of what
he did Monday night that he can replicate it throughout
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the season. Yeah, they did. They ted overall as a
team and the next best team to them were the
Buffalo Bills who had eight. So they did a great
job and make an explosive plays. And the common theme
there is both of those teams that made explosive plays.
One I think this about quarterbacks. Quarterbacks are like boxers.
You can win the first round of the match, you
can't always win the fight. And for me, Sam Bradford's
got to prove two things. Kenny keep his eye level
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down the field, will he stop? Will he stop throwing
it down the field and take the checkdowns? And be
Kenny stay healthy. And if he answers those two questions
with yes, is then this Viking team is a really
good team. Then this Viking teams with Seattle and they're
with Green Bay as the two best teams in the
NFC as the NFC. I like their defense, I like
their kicking game. And the whole thing is Sam Bradford
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making throws up the field and his eye level not
going down. He felt a lot more comfortable about that
offensive line, and the Vikings felt more comfortable about their
offensive line, which allowed them to throw the ball more effectively.
And when they operate under that CFL mentality of trying
to get first downs and two downs, Bradford stays out
of third downs, stays out of taking those hits, and
he also age fresher and healthier. It's it's fascinating on
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how the the the CFL mentality is so big this
year in the National Football League. Michael Lombardi joining US,
I noticed you didn't mention the Dallas Cowboys. My layman's
takeaway not somebody like you spent your entire professional life
inside NFL front office. My layman's takeaway is des Bryant
can't get open and elite level anymore. And honestly, Dak
Prescott showing that he's not terribly accurate. Now, look, they
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got a first down every time they got the football,
which is huge for your defense, obviously huge for your quarterback.
And they still have a very good offensive line. But
I'm not sure they have the playmakers on the outside
that people think they have. Am I wrong to think that? Well?
I think, look, is a power player does. Is like
a power forward is going to drive to the rim,
and you're gonna have a hard time stop with it
from getting to the front of the basket. And and
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even though he may not have the lightning fast speed,
he's a problem. When he gets the ball in his hands,
he becomes a bigger problem. I thought, you're right. I
thought Dac didn't throw the ball. It didn't come off
his hand as well as it did last year. It
didn't feel comfortable to him. And look, they didn't beat
the Cowboys of last year. I don't think they felt
comfortable with what they were doing offensively. I don't think
there was a sense of confidence they won the game.
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They kind of were tiptoeing around. I think the Cowboys
are good in this area. They're very effective on third down.
They don't mind having three downs. They like to control
the ball keep their defense off the field, and that's
what they did against the New York Giants. And the
Giants really didn't have an answer for him in terms
of a scheme blitz that they did last year. They
blocked those up this year and they couldn't get home
with it. So unless you're gonna get a lot of
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pressure on deck on first and second down, it's gonna
be hard to win against him on third down because
he's very effective, and they've got enough players that can
create one on one mismatches And went on third down,
what about this week that they go to Denver. Now, look,
if it gets to third down, that's where they can
unleash Von Miller and that vaunted pass rush. But it's
a smaller, more athletic defense, one that you can run
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the ball. At least something in the at least in
the first half, was able to run the ball some
against How do you like that matchup of the power
running game and the Cowboys against the speed and pass
rush of the Broncos. I'd never like a run game
when it travels, it's hard to hear, especially in all
out stadium like in Denver. With a snap counts supposed
to be your friend, but it's not. When you go
to Denver, you can't here and come off the ball.
I think Denver's quickness will give them some problems, and
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I think Denver will move the ball effectively on them.
I think Denver suited perfectly to attack this Cowboy defense
the way they're going to play. And I think Trevor Simeon,
if he can stay healthy, which I don't think he's
another guy, he's a player that he's like a picture
in baseball. He can go four or five innings, but
I'm not sure he can finish out the whole game.
I think he plays well only the season, like he
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did against Carolina. I think this will be a tough
game for the Cowboys because I think the Broncos, coming
off a short week, have the style of game that
gives the give the Cowboys some trouble. You mentioned that
the Packers and Seahawks and then Vikings in terms of
town atop the NFC He also didn't mention the Falcons
Packers traveled down to Atlanta. How different are these two teams?
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And I know that the Packers weren't healthy in their
back end last year, but why do you think the
Packers are are so much more talented in comparison to
the Falcons and they were last season. Well, I just
think that the Packers have done a good job. Their
defensive front really well. Mike Daniels was dominant in there,
Kenny Clark played well, Clay Matthews coming off the corner,
they can rush the pass or now, look, they just
cut Gunther the star corner last last year that they
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put on Julio Jones in the game. I mean, remember
that game. Gunther was gardening most of the game. They
cut him. He didn't even make their team, so we
know they have more depth. I don't mean any disrespect
for the Falcons of the Cowboys. I think those are
five really good teams. I think if they were in
the a f C, they would have a better chance
of having home field advantage than a lot of the
teams in the a f C because they are good.
I just don't think Atlantic can continue the pace that
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Matt Ryan has been on the average ten yards of
completion against the Bears. I don't know if that's gonna
be able to go. Last year he was at nine
with Kyle Shanahana's offensive coordinator. I don't know if he
can do that again. But I think the fact I
think the Packers defense is much improved, and I think
that will be the difference in the game. They're faster,
they're more explosive, and they can cover better. And I
thought they dominated the Seattle Sea last thing. You're extremely
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coach close. I know with Bill Belichick, no one's better
at making adjustments on the fly, especially early in the
season than Bill Belichick. But Michael, they don't have a
pass rush and that how do you fix that? Well,
I think they just have to keep that and sometimes
not having a pass rush makes you rush better. I
know it sounds crazy, but instead of having guys flying
up the field, they can power rush. Look, when you
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play Drew Brees, all that matters is getting into the paint.
You gotta get in front of him. You gotta get
in front of him, and you've got to force him
to have to step up in front of you because
if you come from the outside, he just steps up,
he finds the passing lady makes dart like throws. So
for the Patriots, they got to go back to a
little bit of a traditional offense defense. Last last week
against Kansa, they try to play a nickel front with
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Jordan Richards on the outside. He kind of got pushed
around a little bit out there. It wasn't big enough
to hold up. Alan Branch didn't do his part lining
up over the center. They got to get better at
that position. Look, it's an ongoing evaluation for this team.
They gotta get better. They gotta find a pass rush trade.
Flowers can rush and he will rush effectively against both
these tackles. For the Saints, whether they can get another
rush of that remains to be seen. Outstanding stuff. Do
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you want more of this? It's very simple. Go to
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I Heart Radio app. Jeffrey Lourie is the owner of
the Philadelphia Eagles. He's also somebody that has never been
shy with his with his feelings. He's not a guy
that's coy or not comfortable in saying what he thinks
and thinking what he says. The question as an owner
in this league is a follow up to Colin Kaepernick.
There are a number of people who believe he's been blacklisted.
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How would you address that? That's from John McMullin. Was
that was the question was asked. This is Lori, who's
again the owner of the Philadelphia Eagles, speaking on the record.
I think the definition of blacklist in some discussion among
people to not hire or not approve of something like that.
I've never had a discussion about that with anybody. Doesn't
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work that way. There's no communication. We're very competitive against
each other, the thirty two owners. I don't reveal anything.
They don't reveal anything. There's no discussion that ever takes
place about any player. In my twenty three years in
the league, I've never had any discussion of a player
like that. You keep it yourself. You have your own strategy.
That's the way it works. The preliminary question about Kaepernick
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was this, would you sign Colin Kaepernick if you need
a quarterback? What do owners around the league? Around? The
league's response? Uh, what do owners think? What? What do
you think owners around the league's responsibility is when it
comes to players demonstrating in the name of social injustice?
Jeffrey Lory, that's kind of two questions in one. By
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the way, that's a terrible flaw in the question. You know,
I just ask a question, get an answer. Let me
focus on social injustice. It's a big problem in America.
Social injustice. It's a problem around the globe. Anybody who
wants to do proactive things try and reverse social injustice,
I'm all in fame grow. It has to be respectful.
It certainly has to be respectful the military and the
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people that serve that, the men and women who serve
our country, emergency responders, whoever that is you've you've got to,
I think, do it in a respectful way. But I
applaud anybody who finds respectful ways of trying to use
their platform in some ways to discuss social injustice. We
all need to discuss it. We've all seen it around us.
We live in the city that that has a lot
of it. There are multiple issues. They're not simply racial issues.
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There are a lot of economic issues. Players have gritten determination.
There's no boundary to how gritten determination can get expressed.
I'm not talking about Colin here. I'm talking about the
concept of social injustice in America and elsewhere. Sports is
an opportunity to bring people together. I see it as
an opportunity. I applaud players who can bring communities together.
We see it all the time. I think it's great.
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Following up on Kaepernick, you say you applaud anyone who
finds it respectful ways to use their platform, is kneeling
for the anthem and respectful to you? How do you
react to that? Here's Jeffrey Lori. I don't think anyone
who is protesting the national anthem in and of itself
is very respectful. If that's all, If that's all their
platform is is to protest the national anthem, then what's
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the proactive nature of But I think we sometimes can
misinterpret what those are. I talked to Malcolm Jenson's about it.
He's very involved in our community here. That's my involvement
with with Malcolm it's what can you do as a
player to be involved in the community where it's social injustice,
whether it's autism, you name it, there are opportunities to
really be proactive. We as a franchise blah blah blah
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blah blah, particularly we think of the issues company wide
like autism and other things. Um, would you sign Colin Kaeptrick?
I have no idea. We're completely happy with our quarterback situation.
So like every position, every position situation, I mean, if
it happened, we'd have to fully evaluate it. With Mike
vick Uh, there was a complete vetting. How is he
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as a teammate, What is his character? What is potential?
What is his football intelligence? Can he be a backup
in Michael situation shouln't? Or a third string? Is that
the time period? It's a whole series of evaluations. That's
how we approach player acquisition. I don't want to talk
about any specific player. So here's my takeaways bullet by bullet.
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It's great. It's very easy to say that there's collusion
among owners, that they all got together and decided Colin
Kaepernick you're out. Jeffrey Lori says, in twenty three years
of ownership in the NFL, there has never been a
discussion about one player. And I think it's fair to
say that because he took on Mike Vick out of prison.
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If he was if there was never a call, if
there was never some collusion from owners, hey we shouldn't
really have Vick. It's bad for business. Blah blah blah
blah blah. There's a guy who would know. He said never.
Never is a big word that means it never happened.
When asked about acquiring, he's like, look, we'd have that discussion.
We just don't need a quarterback. And the only part
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to which someone might find I don't know, mildly offensive.
He's like, look, if you're just kneeling for the flag,
it really doesn't do anything. And yeah, he found it disrespectful.
I don't think anybody would would actually, if you actually
look at it, is it disrespectful to Neil when the
national anthemy has been played? Hell, yes it is. It is.
Now if you're intentionally being disrespectful in order to bring
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attention to something, and then you was great, that's your intent,
But you're gonna have to realize that what you're doing
is disrespectful. It is um And keep in mind that
quarterbacks starting quarterbacks have the ability to bring attention to
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whatever the hell they want, and the weekly press conferences
which they have, in the weekly call ins to radio
shows which they all have now did. Did Colin Kaepernick
accomplish his task his goal by bringing attention? Like, yeah,
but what's next? I know he has donated money, I
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know he's done many public works. I understand all of that. Um,
But but don't say that what kneeling before the flag
isn't disrespectful. It is. It's intentionally disrespectful. And knowing that
you're disrespecting people, you better be able to stand up
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and answer for why you're doing it and do so
an eloquent fashion, which, by the way, Kaepernick really didn't
do last year. Minder Kaepernick didn't even vote and bragged
about it as much, said he was a political didn't
like either side. So there's a lot to it. I
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think you can you could be somehow offended by Jeffrey Lory.
I think he's pretty honest. He tells us there's no collusion,
he has no reason to lie. But he also is
a guy who has no reason to go after Colin Kaepernick,
but he also didn't close the door on the idea
of Colin Kaepernick becoming his quarterback if, in fact, Carson
Wentz went down with an injury, which he frankly has not,
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and hopefully, for Carson Wentz's sake, it does not happen.
Here's Richard Sherman on the player's tribute earlier today. Does
he deserve a job, And of course he deserves a job.
He saw a quarterback played throughout the league and it
was terrible. You know what happened to Indianapolis? You know,
I mean, you're saying they can couldn't use Kaepernick. That's yeah,
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that's crazy. It's unfortunate that a man is unemployed right
now who was a pretty good ball player want his
fair share ball games. They're lesser Talentcy Guy's employee because
they ate there, because they didn't send up for calls us.
It's it's fair to mention that he lost his job
as starter. It's also fair to mention he was in Seattle,
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right like he was in Seattle. He visited and they
didn't offer him a contract, and they actually offered a
contra back to Austin Davis who came in and then
beat out a Trayvon Boykin. So I one, I think
Richard and rich Dreman like, he's not wrong about the
Indianapolis Colts, not wrong at all, not wrong at all.
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But I would also tell you that I'd say in
Indianapolis one, Andrew Lucky is going to be the starter.
They don't want a guy who they don't want to go.
They probably thought Andrew Luck be back by now. Andrew
Luck was a practice, wasn't throwing earlier today. My guess
is he'll be back playing probably by next for the
following week. So it's like again, you if you go
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around the league and tell me about the quarterback issues,
you want to say Denver one, Denver one. Secondly, he
had a chance to join Denver's team before last season.
He had to take a pay cut. He chose not to.
He wouldn't take less money, like, let's not And once
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you once one, you do that and they already have
Trevor Simeon and they're invested in in uh Peyton Um
Paxson Lynch, sorry Paxson thinking Peyton Hills because I saw
Peyton hillis Jersey. Do you guys remember Peyton Hills was
on the cover of Madden. You remember that Peyton Hills
was in the cover of Madden. I'm sorry, yeah, I'm
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all screwed up. Yesterday I was we had at Fox Sports.
Yesterday was Founder's Day yesterday, which is September. Fox Sports
launched right in four I said, right the third, three
years ago anyway, So for Founder's Day, like everybody on
the Fox slot could wear like they encourage you to
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wear like a jersey, and I saw a Pax Uh,
Peyton hillis jersey, and I was like, wow, you want
to talk about a guy who had fifteen minutes in
the NFL. He had that one great year with the
Browns and he was on the cover of Madden. He
looked like a G I. Joe figure, That's what he
looked like. And then it was gone and he was
like the third running back. You remember that, Remember who's
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in the backfield with a Arkansas buyers more of a
college guy that then who is in the backfield with
him at Arkansas mcfad Jones. It was a pretty sick backfield.
Only better backfield was Auburn's um slightly before that, right,
Jason Campbell is a quarterback yeah, two running backs for
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who Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown, and who was their
third string who transferred to Southern Illinois and then became
a running back won a Super Bowl with the Giants
at Bradshaw. Who wasn't Brendan Jacobs. That's right, Jacobs, Brandon Jacobs.
Those are some expensive backfields in the SEC. I mean
talented backfields in the SEC. Anyway, let me bring it
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back to Kaepernick, like, look, I think it is a
team by team decision. Do I think that there is
some of the protest, Yeah, I think that, But I
also think that you have to be honest with yourself
and if you're Richard Sherman, like, look, he was in Seattle,
they wanted to backup. They didn't want him. Now, maybe
they didn't want him because I was told Russell Wilson
(37:08):
was like, I don't want him as a backup. I've
told you before that one of the things about being
a backup is you have to be all in on
helping the starter be better. And some of the messaging
you heard from from the Seahawks when he visited and
wasn't offered was we think he's a starter. He thinks
(37:29):
he's a starter. In other words, he don't into that
whole backup helped to start a role, and they have
Russell Wilson is our starter. Remember the Seattle Seahawks went
out and signed Austin Davis, who beat out Trayvon Boykin.
They had Colin Kaepernick on their premises and didn't either
didn't offer him or he didn't accept, and they said
(37:50):
he was great, but he's a starter, not a backup,
and we already have a starter. So I thought, Jeffrey Laura,
I think he's pretty honest. He thought, as they think
it's disrespectful to Neil, he thinks he can't just kneel
and then not do anything about it, which I think
is totally fair. He said, there's never been any collusion.
There's no blacklist out there, there's no floating kind of like, hey,
(38:10):
you can't sign this guy. We had Mike Vick, nobody
told us then you can't sign him. Nobody's told us
with Colin Kapiti kan sign him. They asked him if
you signed Kaepernick, and he's like, look, we we review it.
We thoroughly vet it, just like we did with Vic.
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(38:31):
Radio and the I Heart Radio app. And now. Chris
Carter is a Hall of Fame wide receiver. He had
this to say about Dak. I would say less than
five of all the NFL players I've seen over the
last thirty years, they're all system players. Dan Marino no
system player. Barry Sanders, no system player, Lawrence Taylor, no
(38:54):
system player. These players were so great at their position
they could have literally gone anywhere and play. Now. I
know you guys think this game is easy. I know
a person crossing me think that practice is not important.
But this is not tennis, all right, This is not
(39:14):
Raphael Nadal, this is not Jordan's speed. We are talking
about the most team oriented sports in the world, and
that is the NFL. Thinking that would be great anywhere,
y'all are crazy. Okay, thinking that would be great anywhere
is crazy. I agree. Look, I think Dak Prescott's a
(39:37):
nice player. He's fine. I think he gets them in
the right stuff. He's he's he's not terribly accurate, he's
good out of the pocket. Um He's decent in the pocket,
but he runs the benefit of having a great running
game and a great offensive line and uh an incredibly
bright tight end and a star wide receiver. Like he's
(39:58):
got all the things going for him. And as much
as I've been critical of Eli Manning and so it
was Colin earlier day, like, putt Eli Manning behind that
offensive line, with that running game and and those skill
position players, how do you think he plays? Plays? Great?
Plays great, you know, put him behind one where you
(40:18):
don't have much of an offensive line. He's back there
running for his life. He's Deshaun Watson like it's he
has always struggled when he had to reload and find
his third and fourth option, that's when he starts to
get a ratic. And he was a radic on his
second option. Really, going back to Sunday Night, a good player,
a good player, but the lack of refinement in his
(40:43):
skill is pretty apparent if you're actually watching, you're actually
paying attention. Yes, music, why is it that you think
NFL teams then aren't willing to spend a bunch of
money on their offensive line and then maybe go with
someone that's more the average side of quarterback. Because it
sort of seems like if you look like what we
(41:03):
talked about with like the Seahawks, like they paid a
bunch of money to the defense and to Russell Wilson,
and so they've had to suffer on the under the
salary cap on paying for their offensive line. Why wouldn't
she just be like, we're gonna have the best offensive
line possible, so that that way, even if we have
a sea level quarterback, no one's gonna touch him. And
then if we can get a halfway decent running back,
he's gonna be able to run through just massive holes.
(41:26):
You know, has the most expensive offensive line. I do
not open writers who has one of the best offensive
lines in football? Oplend writers? Um, look it doesn't. That
doesn't mean it's always that way, right, There are other
teams of Patriots are like twenty four. They have a
good offensive line. The problem is everybody everybody has tried
that just you know, the two cheapest are the Seahawks
(41:50):
and the Bengals, both have terrible offensive line. Texans are
are the fourth cheapest. They have a terrible offensive line.
But the Vikings rebuilt their offensive line and in terms
of cap there a uh Tennessee built through the offensive line,
and that didn't work. It doesn't always look sometimes you
just doesn't always work. It kind of all has to
(42:10):
go together, and it's it's hard. It's not easy. I
mean the Chargers drafted to offensive linemen early in the draft.
First one goes down with a torn a c L
like in the first first week of the preseason, like
that stuff. It just happens. So um, it's a look.
It's always been the Raider. The Rams have tried to
(42:32):
do that. Rams tried to build from the inside out,
but they didn't have a quarterback and didn't have skill
position players. They couldn't beat anybody. You need a little
bit of both.
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