September 22, 2017 • 43 mins
Doug tells you why math and sports don't always mix and how that applies to Thursday Night Football. He also gives his thoughts on the 3 college football programs being valued at over $1 billion and what people don't understand about that. Plus Doug talks to 2-time Pro Bowl running back Robert Smith about the biggest games in college football this weekend and the dangers of playing football.
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This is the best of the Doug gottli Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America? Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, Fired Up, Happy, just in a great
mental place? Why is that? Well? I told you he
felt felt off on Tuesday, Wednesday we didn't have football.
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We're like Thursday football. Hey, how good was that last night? Right?
How good was that? That was amazing? It's amazing. It's
it's one of those. Um, I have not been on
the dating scene in oh, nineteen years, nineteen years, but
it's like any of my friends that have, you know,
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they broke up with their significant other, you tell them like,
just go. You never you never know. You may get
caught in a conversation in about a blind date or
you know, you swipe right, they swipe right, You go
and you have a couple of coffee. You're like, wow,
you know, you may there may be a connection. Whatever
your expectations were, lie snipe, they they had to be
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um exceeded, right. John ramos Is I've never heard of
anybody being a like, I'm a hardcore He's an uncomfortably
hardcore Rams fan. A matter of fact, he came in
today dressed head to toe in that horrendous monochrome. What
was that? What was the color mustard? Well, and that
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was that? But that's a yeah, that was well, that's
like American mustard. Real mustard is like more of a mustard.
That's like, um, what's the kind of must that's like
a French Uh, French mustard? French is mustard yellow? But
what is that? With color Rush, he looks like he's
a personal color Rush today. But outside of that, but look,
he's a hardcore RAMS fan. Ramo's every expectation for not
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just McVeigh or golf. But the game had to be
exceeded last night, right, very exciting game. It was an
incredibly exciting game. All Right, there's a couple of different
things that we have to get to which are very
important to point point out. First of all, uh, having
your expectations exceeded only tell you, uh what it's. It's
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about this in life, it's about this. With cars, it's
it's like, I don't know if you know this. Like
JD Power, they always put out the initial initial quality
survey when you buy a new car. And if you
notice on initial quality surveys, with the exception of Lexus,
most high end cars do not grade out all that well.
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Do you know why that is? That's because people who think,
like I buy a nine BMW, they expect utter and
sheer perfection, right whereas if you buy buy a day woo,
you're like, ah, it's a day wou. I thought, I'm
just glad the wheels haven't fallen off. When I went
around the corner, they still make day woos. When I
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played overseas in Israel, I had a day woo. I
literally opened up the the hood one day and there
were mice in there pedaling away. But it's a lot
of it's about your expect your level of expectations. And
because the Niners and the Rams collectively stank last year
because it was Thursday night and at kickoff there was
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like fifteen people there. It's friends and family only. Hey,
let's have a five thirty start time. Some of the
worst traffic in in America, like an hour without traffic
from San Francisco. See how that works out. Whatever your
level of expectations, they were exceeded last night. And some
of this tells us about expectations. Maywether McGregor, maybe my
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other McGregor was not a great fight, but you were
entertained more so than you thought you could possibly be entertained.
Why because you thought you had a non boxer against
what some people call the best pound for pound fighter
in the world. Your expectations were exceeded. You're like a
hundred bucks, here you go, here you go. Second thing,
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And this is really important. What works in math does
not work in sports, and it's hard. They're teaching all
kinds of My kids do Singapore math. I have no
idea what Singapore math is other than it looks like
it's written in a different language. And then my son
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were moving from west to east or east to west
or whatever. They have some sort of math which maybe
is Singapore math as well, but they do like everything
in tens and ten facts and things I don't even know. Like,
I thank goodness for Siri because I'm constantly dad, how
do you do this? Let me ask Siri. I have
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a college degree. I was good in math. I swear
to you I was good in math um. But but
there there is a a math or actually an algebra
equation which people you is in life, and it doesn't
work in sports. Do you know what that equation is? No,
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it's not equals mc squared. Not the pythagram theorem, it's not.
It's the transitive property. Ramos, are you familiar with the
transitive property? I'm probably am, but I wasn't very good
at maths, so I'm gonna pass. Okay. Transit property is
if equals B and B equals see A must equals see.
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You can also do if A plus B equal ce
B plus A plus Wait A plus b equals see
then B plus c most equal as it was all
the same thing, right. It's the transitive property. And here's
what happened. People did this. They did this with Texas USC,
they do it with last night. Wait, that's the defense
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that the Seattle Seahawks could only score twelve points against.
I just saw this very same San Francisco for the
under defense on the road on Sunday. Give up only
twelve should have been thirteen. Seattle miss an extra point
when they scored that touchdown. They only gave up. They
only scored twelve points against that defense. They gave up
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forty one points to Jared freaking Golf. Because if again,
transitive property, if the Seahawks can only score twelve, maybe
thirteen against the Niners, and the Rams can score forty
one against the Niners. Well, if use the transitive property,
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then the Rams have to be much better than the Seahawks. Right,
but that's not actually the way it works. Every game
demands context. Some of it is about the number of possessions.
The Rams defense was equally shoddy, even though the Rams
defense has been good at times. But you can't, you
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simply can't. Texas was awesome against USC, stopping the run,
They forced USC to throw the ball on third long,
They took away USC's DeAndre Burnette in many big occasions
and made others catch the ball, and USC had eight
dropped balls. But more than anything, Texas defense look physical,
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dominated the point of attack, and they held USC under
twenty points. Right, USC couldn't even on there. They want
on a field goal in double overtime, and the only
reason they want on a field goal was because Texas
fumbled and their own offensive possession, their defense continually got stops.
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And this is a defensive of course. Fifty one to
Maryland and so using the transitive property, Well, if Maryland
can be Texas at Texas and USC ki has to
go double overtime at home to be Texas, well, that
how Maryland is better than USC. That's the transitor property.
That worked that way. That worked that way. Now we
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always use it in sports, we use it as fans,
but but the math does not equate. It's never equated
never Ever. It's not just home road. Sometimes it's when
the game is played, where the game is played, or
in this case, the proximity of a Thursday night game
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to a Sunday game. In terms of love of preperators,
here's the last thing. Those are the two youngest coaches
in the NFL, right, and that game was fun. And
I don't know how good they are, um, but both
are young offensive minds. Both came from being offensive coordinators.
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One in Washington last year, one in Atlanta last year.
And that game, to me felt like a Big twelve
football game. Now, I'll admit it, I'm a Big twelve homer,
but I'm also a Big twelve realist. I understand that
up the middle and defensive lines. Texas and Oklahoma are
the only ones with formiable defensive lines to which, if
you play small mouth football over twelve or thirteen games,
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can compete with the likes of an Alabama that said,
I don't think the Big twelve is the best conference
in the country. It's been the most watchable, very good
conference in the country. Of the elite conferences. It's the
one that has the best quarterback play, the best wide
receiver play, and more than anything, the most spread offenses
so that they chuck it and games are in the
sixties and seventies. I can separate the idea that entertaining
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does not always mean good. Last night was super entertaining.
I don't know if either those teams are worth the
damn I mean. I think Mike March who said Jared
goff Is is surrounded by a buddy, I think he
looks foolish today. I think Sean McVeigh, being such a
young head coach, it looks like a genius higher today.
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I think the Niners feel like they have the spirit
they they're gonna You feel like the turnaround is not
that far away. And look, maybe we're overvaluing a Thursday
night game that over exceeded our expectations and that's why
we're taking it to mean more than it really means.
But the point is this, Uh sure, the Carolina Panthers
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scored with nine points when they beat the Buffalo Bills
this past week. The Panthers are better than both of
those teams that played. They just beat the Niners in
San Francisco badly, and they beat the Rams if they
played them. That doesn't make them more entertaining. And sports
is about it. I was thoroughly and completely entertained. Now,
you have to separate entertainment from good. But you also
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have to understand that young coaches one because it's the
first year, but two, maybe it's breathing new life into
the NFL, taking more chances, throwing the ball deeper downfield,
spreading the game out and play more offensive minded football.
Is a wave of football that we need to see
in order to get us to like watching the NFL again.
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Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott
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Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Did
you see this story about about one writer saying I
think it was Don Bank's longtime NFL report Don Banks saying,
um that there's at least been discussion, discussion. There are
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people in the league, including the commissioner, they don't want
to see San Diego for saken, They would rather there
be a team in san Diego. If there's a viable uh,
it's viable they could put a team back in San Diego.
I think the camp would strongly consider it. There's there's
talk again in this, at least partially to move the
Chargers back to San Diego. Like, look, I talked to
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people in the Charge to day and they're like, zero
point zero percent chance we moved back to San Diego.
It ain't happening. San Diego is like John qu Sack
and say anything with the with the with the boom
box outside right again, that that's a dated reference. Anything
that's an awesome movie, you should you should watch it
this weekend. Like our young intern, she has no idea,
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but do you have you seen Say Anything? Say Anything's
a great movie? Like you should know. This is like
like they do stupid things with our kids. Like my
daughter is like why am I reading Tom Sawyer? Like
I don't know, but you should watch Pretty and Pink,
sixteen Candles, Say Anything, Weird, Science, Breakfast Club, Um, really,
all the John Hughes movies and say anything type of movies. Right,
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Goonies you also should show your kids. Goonies is a
Goonies is a month. They're not going back all this.
This is very simple. This is what happens. And I
have friends are doing this. Like you buy a house
and you can't move in that, or you're gonna build
a house, so you go and you're renting, and you
rent for they're gonna rent for three years. Renting sucks, right,
Usually you rent a house that's smaller than the one
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that you really want to be And why because you're
paying two mortgages. You're paying the mortgage in the house
that you're building or you're redoing, you're paying your construction loan,
plus you gotta pay pay pay your rent. That's so
they're doing pay playing in a smaller stadium that's not
really an NFL stadium, not really in the city they
want to be in. Like the San Diego thing is
not happening. They're not going back. The small crowds are problematic.
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You know, it's more problematic that they lost a game
to the Dolphins they should have won. That they had
a chance to tie Tieans into overtime in Denver and
they got a field goal blocked. They got a rookie
kicker who's what one of one for four on the year,
Like they gotta figure that's they gotta win game, win games,
and the rest will be fine. And in three years
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they move into their plush, new beautiful stadium that will
be the nicest stadium in the league, and everybody will
completely forget about year one and how they couldn't get
thirty people into stuff up. Fox Sports Radio has the
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the I Heart Radio app. This just came out a
list of the most valuable college football teams from the
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Wall Street Journal. Now again, I'm gonna state this. I
know it's the Wall Street Journal, and I know that
Ryan Brewer is an associate professor of finance at i
U p U i UH in Columbus. Right, so remember
this is weird. I you Indiana University, Purdue University in Columbus,
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where Ohio State is located. Um So, he did a
study at what college football programs would be worth on
the open market if sold like a professional sports franchise.
All right, Like this is such bull I mean again,
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I'm buying into it. I'm prefacing this segment of radio
saying that the value that I'm going to state that
a professor has studied and assigned to and we're all
quoting is complete bull, right, because there is no is this,
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there's no value. Well and and look he's got a
mathematical equation, but this is a lot like um. I
remember when George Mason went to the Final four, and
George Mason went to the Final four two thousand six,
I'm going to say two thousand six, Jim Laronego was
head coach an incredible, incredible run. They took down Yukon
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in the Elite eight, went to the Final four, lost
to Florida, and should be told, they were probably the
second best team at that final four. Just were L
S U and I'm gonna say U C l A
were the other two teams in the final four that year.
And I called one of Jim Larnegga's games next year
and he's like he had this big scrap book of
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all of the newspaper articles written about the run and
he's like, they say, it's worth the amount of e
free advertising we got is worth a billion dollars And
so immediately I'm sitting there going like, how do you
calculate that? Like, yeah, but if you would have taken
out an add in every one of these papers like okay,
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but you didn't. It's an article at if you had
to be reading a sports page, like there's there's no
real money. There's no, it's not real money. So so
the numbers when you see that uh Ohio State is
ranked number one and would be worth one point five
billion dollars, like, okay, why because the Dallas Cowboys are
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worth four billion dollars. Well, Dallas Cowboys also own their
stadium and then own a practic facility. That's the most incredible.
It's actually has a stadium inside the practic facility and
the Dallas Cowboys and iconic brand. They play in the
National Football League, which has only thirty two franchises and
only sixteen games, so there's a uniqueness to it as
opposed to college football, which as much as Ohio State
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is a unique and successful brand and has the iconic
scarlet and gray and plays in the Horseshoe. Are you
factoring in ownership of that stadium? Are you factoring in
who else they play? Because part of the value to
the Cowboys is that they play the Redskins, the Eagles,
the Giants at home every year on Sundays. They play
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on Thanksgiving whatever, Whereas Ohio State, like part of their
value or lack thereof it is they gotta play perdue
in Indiana and a couple of Rummy's and Oklahoma is
the big non conference this year, right, Like the values
are bull, what's not bull or what maybe is super
interesting is that um they have Texas listed as the
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second most valuable UH program just so you know, adjusted
inflation institutional allocations for athletics cover any expenses that exceed
the generated revenue by FBS schools decreased by point, etcetera, etcetera.
The n C is like, hey, look, plenty of programs
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don't make any more money. I don't believe any of
these values. I do know that some programs are more
valuable than others because their ability to generate revenue. Revenue
being generated doesn't actually have that much to do with
how good you are. It helps like Alabama's worth a
whole lot more now that they're dominant with Nick Saban
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and if Texas ever gets rolling, they'll be the most
financially successful program in the country. But it's more about
the fact the University of Texas they got fifty students,
got a lums all over. They had tons of money,
they got oil money, and they'll donate whatever to get
whatever facilities they want. And then when they're on TV.
There's actual value in having Texas brand. That's because and
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this is the third part. Please don't tell me about
any player's name and likeness being valuable. What's valuable is
the brand on the side of the helmet. It just is.
It just is because people watch college football games be
as they hear the name of the coach and they
know the name of the school, and then alumni and
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the alums watch their own program. And if your alum
of a college booall program, you're like sitting there going like, hey,
you're right, I watch. I will always watch my school play,
and then I'll watch the big name schools play. Be
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was a great player and he's joined his courtesy of
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my Bookie online sports book. My Bookie is one of
the biggest online sports books in the business. By the way,
I don't know if I told you this, Andrea, I
got an idea for Major League Baseball? Right? How cool
would be a Major League Baseball if like you could
go to uh my bookie online, you get an iPad
and then there's a section of a state into which
you can bet on like every pitch. Why not? How
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much more interesting would that be? Like I'd be totally
in a like you know, you you swipe your credit card,
takes like two hundred bucks out right, that's your that's
your bank, and then you bet on everything like what's
the next pitch, what's the what's the next kid? Who's
gonna at the first home run? All that stuff going
while you're at the game. Mm hmm. You got you
got it. You got it down, man, no doubt about it.
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You got it down. Um. Last night's game just like
we all thought it would be, right, everybody thought Rams
Niners would be so far the best played game in
the nash Football League season. I'm I'm being sarcastic. I
loved it. Uh, but I'm wondering your take away. I
loved it too, man. I mean both of those teams
came to play, and I think, what was it? The
color scheme? I mean, I don't know what it was,
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but uh, Jared Golf played tremendously. I mean, he played great,
and they looked really good on offense looked pretty good too,
So that was they were going at each other and
that was good for TV. So uh, and are you
surprised by what the Rams are doing right now? Yes?
Or no? I'm I can't think pleasant like look I was.
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I'm always more optimist. I saw what McVeigh was able
to do with cousins, who I think, in terms of
overall talent is at best middle of the road. And
I'm like, I like the idea of a young guy
who grew up Madden generation, you know, drawn up plays
and and throwing the football around. I think I thought
that's just what Jared Goff needed. And I wasn't sure
whether or not he could regain his self confidence because
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they were so bad last year offensively, and he wasn't ready.
I mean, there's I had a lot of questions. So
I'm surprised pleasantly so, but I'm not gonna say I'm
not gonna do I told you so, But I thought
that it would be better. I didn't know be this
much better. Well, I I think this man, you're only
as good. I always said that you're only as good
as there are people around you. And I think Jared Goff,
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just like Carson Wentz, you know, they did some studying
in the off season. They really got into what they were,
you know, gonna be doing this year. Uh, they picked
up Sammy. I mean, Sammy had a tremendous game last night.
I mean the Bills right now are going Really we
really did that. Um they Stig got Robert Woods. You
know I was with the Bills. Um, they got mckill,
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Roby Coleman on the other side. So they got three bills.
And that's what I said on on social media that
they got three bills that are playing well. And Todd
Gurley seems like he is back to the form he
was to a certain point from his rookie season. Last
year was kind of a down year. So is he
opening up the playbook? McVeigh, I don't know. I just
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think Jerikoff is a lot more confident and you can
see it in him from just looking at his face.
He's more confident in what he's doing. And again, just
like Carson Wentz, he's a more confident player this year
than he was last year. So the Rams, I don't
know they started off this way last year and then
uh I remember going to l A to watch the
Bills play them, and then after that game they kind
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of just you know, went down the roller coaster. So um,
plus they got Aaron Donald back. I mean, that guy
is probably that's he's the best defensive player in the
league right now. Yeah he didn't. Yeah, he's a beast,
and he didn't have a training camp. It's it's it's
it's fast. And you bring up the Bills obviously Andre
read former a Bill great and it's yeah, and and
I don't it's it's gonna be weird for you. It's
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convincing a kid that, like, hey, the Bills went to
the Super Bowl four straight times, like what and like
all of this, you know, four wide passing game like
you guys did really before kind of anybody else, right,
I mean, like I can't imagine how success it's it's
one of those things where other teams you don't know
how their success would translate, right the eighty five Bears,
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I don't know if that thing would translate today because
you couldn't run the four six defense against these against
these offenses. I do think you could play exactly how
you guys played and still been super successful today just
as successful as you were then. Right. That's not a
crazy statement to make, is it not at all? And
you know defenses are gonna watch film and they're gonna
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see what you're doing. But it's it's a cat and
mouse game every week, and the coordinators go at each other.
And that's I think you're right. I think four wides.
You got to have guys that can stretch the field.
You've gotta have guys that know how to play the middle. Uh,
can do the dirty can do the dirty work there
in the middle. And you gotta have a running back
by committee. I mean, look at the Chiefs, I mean
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Kareem Hunt and they got a couple of other guys there.
They got guys there that they're just rolling them in
and out like the Broncos used to do back in
the day with with Anderson and Terrell Davis and all
those guys. That you gotta have guys that can run
the football and that again, that's always going to set
up the set of the past. But this game is
more of a passing game now than anything. But you
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gotta have guys that can tote the rock inside in
between the tackles that can you know, bring those safeties
down there and and and expect, you know, the quarterback
to beat them and the receivers because once you do that,
it's one on one and you gotta win those battles. Um,
speaking of the bills, which you brought up a couple
of times, like what are they doing? Like McDermott, McDermott
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comes in, he brings in his guy from Carolina, right,
so he's kind of Dermot kind of running the show.
And obviously he's got a defensive background. Didn't work as
well in Philly as it did in Carolina. Um, but
but he comes in, like what are they doing? I
was very surprised, I'm gonna tell you, Doug, I was
very surprised when they traded Sammy and and then they
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traded away Ronald Darby to Philadelphia. Uh, Philadelphia already had
colem in there. Um brab Ham had went to Philadelphia,
so you got the two corners something and and Stephan
Gilmour goes to the Patriots. It was like, oh, there
goes the season that didn't even start yet. I mean,
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I don't know, and I think you know, Sean, I
I love him. I think he's a great football mine. Defensively, Um,
right now, they're a little bit behind the eight ball
when it comes to offense or defense is playing pretty well.
It's six sacks the other day against Carolina, but offensively
they didn't score any points. And and you know that
they can't score any points. The defense is a gonna
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wear down and it's just gonna happen. That's inevitable. But
I'm actually going up to the game this weekend there
against the Broncos, and we know what the brown is
to to the Cowboys, So that's gonna be a tester.
And I think if they come out of that not
only with a wind, but unscathed, it's just it's just
a mental boose for them the rest of the season
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because it doesn't get any easier for them with Atlanta
New Orleans. They still they have to go to Uh,
they got Oakland coming up in a month or so. Um,
and hey, look they got they got Cincinnati and people
I know. Since then, he has been bad the first
two weeks. Since then, he's got talent, especially in the
defensive side of the ball. Tampa coming in their place
before it gets cold, before it gets really cold in October.
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Camp is a good team, like they gotta they got
a beast of his schedule before they come out here
and play and play the Rams, and they got the
Chiefs in the road. And let me ask you this.
You mentioned the Carolina Panthers. I know you watched that
game intently. I'm somebody I watched him like man, like
Kim Newton is inaccurate. Now, he struggled with that before
and he didn't have a full preseason because of the
shoulder surgery. But are we okay saying like this is
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who Cam Newton is. Right, He's gonna run a little
less than he used to. He's got a big old arm,
but he's always going to be's always going to miss
some throws we think he should make. That's just who
Cam Newton is. Yeah, I think you know he got
hit a lot of He's getting hit more times than
any quarterback in the last two or three years. And
and maybe I don't think he's Gunshi or whatever, but
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let's face it, man, if you ain't if you ain't
got anybody blocking, just look at Eli right now. Eli
is just dropping back and falling down because there's nobody blocking.
And I think Cam has maybe the Saint I don't
know if they're offensive line is is bad as as
the Giants right now, But they're telling him. He even
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said to himself, well, you know this is what I do.
I'm just gonna drop back and if I see something,
I'm gonna take off. Has he done that in the
first three games? Not really? And I think, uh, you know,
is that a mindset? I don't know. But they got
to start throwing that ball downfield, and they got to
use McCaffrey a little bit more if they're gonna score
some points. And I think they gotta take the pressure
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off him. I think cam can do everything, and he can,
but you know, he doesn't really have that s on
his chest. He's got to like a p on his
chest or b. So um, well, she had to be
known that, you know how Caroline is going to finish
out this year. But you know they didn't look good
either last week. Now I was bad, bad football. It
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was polar opposite of what we saw last night. My
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You got a man any time, Just let me know.
All right. That's Andre Reid joining us here on the
Gottli Show. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
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Radio app. I love this. Uh. Karmelo Anthony? What's interesting
about Karmlo Anthony, Who's likely to start the NBA season
on the New York Knicks. Knicks aren't gonna run the um,
aren't gonna run the Triangle. Their new general manager says
he has an open mind. Scott Perry says he has
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an open mind to moving, to moving him, but he's
gonna be back. He's a ten time All Star. He's
back here with the New York next week, expecting to
be professional. He's always exemplified that throughout his career. Moved
with him. What's what's what's fascinating about this? Is there
there is this belief that Phil Jackson killed Carmelo Anthony's
trade value. No, he didn't. All Phil Jackson did was
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make it. Obviously wanted to move Mellow and his trade
value hasn't been good for a long time. He makes
a ton of money, he plays the style of basketball
which teams aren't playing in order to win. And though
he has superstar status in terms of the amount of
money he makes and the amount of name recognition he has,
um his teams haven't played well and he doesn't play
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a style that's gonna help that. Winning teams are good,
not like they're gonna move mountains to try and trade
for Carmelo Anthony. So if if the idea was Jackson
was killing Karmelo Anthony's trade value, you get rid of
Phil Jackson and Karmelo Anthony doesn't have a ton of
trade value, what does that tell you about Karmelo Anthony's
trade value? And Jeff, I'm not saying it wasn't the
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wrong move to get rid of Phil Jackson, but it
wasn't as much of the right move as people think.
What killed Karmelo Anthony was Karmelo Anthony always hurt, hard
to coach, doesn't play defense, and plays a style that
nobody else plays in the NBA anymore. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays
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and the I Heart Radio app. Robert Smith joins the show.
Of course, he covers college football for Fox Sports. Um
is he crazy to think I can give pennse the game?
Not at all. You know, I really like this Nathan
Stanley kid. You know, I've noticed him, you know, from
the beginning of the season. He's you know, he's got
really great delivery and you know, been accurate, you know,
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nothing otherworldly, but he's looked pretty good back there for
a guy that hasn't taken a lot of snaps. And
you know, when when you talk about Iowa over the
last couple of years, you know, people who have kind
of considered them to be a little bit boring, and uh,
you know, we've when we've seen them at their best.
A lot of times they've been, you know, just your
stereotypical Big ten team, you know, great offensive line, solid defense,
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and they've kind of fallen off defensively last couple of years.
Were looking a little bit better on that side of
the road. Home environment, you just never know. Um, So yeah,
I think that's a that's that's a that's a real
dangerous spot I think for Penn State. It's not It's
not the same as beating Akron, Like like what James
Franklin said after the beat pit. Yeah, look, Pitt is
not very good. So I saw him against my old
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model last Weday. Just that looked like that looked like
varsity versus j V Oklahoma State versus Pitt. Yeah, so
they've got some issues. Okay, let's let's but tell me
about Sea Kwon Barkley, Like, look, you were great running
back in college, great running back in the pros, and
there are some out there that think he's the best
pro prospect of any of them, even counting the quarterbacks.
What from a from a running ex perspective, how do
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you view him? Yeah, I think I think he's a
great back. And you know, it all starts with vision,
um and and and vision becomes even more useful when
you when you know the scheme is extremely well. So
he follows his blockers extremely well. I think it's a
good system for him. Uh. In the way that he's built,
he's lower to the ground, so it's easier for him
to stay low and behind his pads when he runs.
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He's got great lateral movement. Uh, and he's got a
lot of spring in his step. And I don't mean
that just because he just because he tends to jump
here and there. But when he does his jump cuts
and he when he when he makes lateral moves, he
can cover a lot of ground. And he's pretty good
with his acceleration after the cuts. And that's so important.
I mean, especially when you when you talk about transitioning
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to the next level, it's uh, you know, trying to
get away from guys and would be tacklers when everybody
is so much faster. Uh. And so he's got pretty
good top end speed too. So he's got He's got
it all. There's no question about it. Doug Gali Shao
Fox Sports Traded. That's the voice of former All American,
of course, the former pro bowler Robert Smith, who you
can see on Fox Sports covering college football. Michigan State
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taking on Notre Dame. That's a that's an FS one game.
And I'm fastened by this, Like Mark Antonio had you
just go back two years ago, they had this thing rolling, right,
They beat Iowa in the Big Ten championship game and
then they got exposed in the College Football Playoff. But
you know, when Michigan was down, they were up when
Ohio State went through a coaching change, like they were up.
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Is it just and when Penn State was down because
of probation they were up? Is it just a case
of those other three schools are always you know, when
they get when Michigan gets a rolling, Michigan State can't
compete the same thing Penn State. But is that just
what this is or or something did something else happened
to this program to which look there two and oh
and and I think they might beat Notre Dame. I
think Notre Dame is still kind of a mess. But um,
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but like, how did they go from a top ten program,
one of the most respected coach in the country to
now they're a home dog to it just an okay
Notre Dame team? Yeah, I think you know, when you
when you look at last year's team, it it really
just kind of all seemed to fall apart, uh, you know,
all at once. And I think what happened was it?
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You know, because because you can't afford to miss on
guys at Michigan State, you're just not You're not going
to have the depth and you know you're not gonna
have the reserve talent if you have the kind of
guys that to give it their hall and aren't always
going to be the best at at at knowing and
implementing scheme, then you can have some problems. You combine
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that with you know, being the second year that Patner
and Doozy was going on the defensive side, and you
saw some problems there. Uh. And I think you know
this this team is a lot younger and it's gonna
be interesting to see. I think this this weekend's game
could be really really interesting. I think they can win
this game. Um, but this year's teams really inexperience a
lot of new faces, but I think that they wanted
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to get rid of a lot of guys that weren't
kind of what they thought that what they thought they were,
and they just didn't have the they didn't have the bodies,
they didn't have the you know, the recruiting depth really
to kind of fill in those holes and make those
changes immediately. But this could be a really interesting team
this year because as you said, you know, you look
around the Big ten East and you know, traditionally Michigan State,
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you know, you're going back years maybe didn't have the
way to hang with the Ohio states and the Michigan's
UH in the Penn States. But I really think that,
you know, this this year could be different, you know,
and be more like what it was three or four
years ago, because I don't think it was just because
some of those programs were down. I think that they
hit on all of those guys, UH and that even
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though they didn't have the depth, that they still had
the talent and they had the guys that just always
played their tails off. Robert Smith joining us in the
Doug Gotlip Show. TCU takes on Oklahoma State. UM. Look,
last year TCU struggled. Their quarterback turned the ball over
way way too much. They weren't as good defensively, they
weren't as good at wide receivers they need to be,
and all of those seemed to be better this year. Right,
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they just do UM. They beat Arkansas on the road.
It wasn't it wasn't really twenty seven, was really fourteen
and seven. They scored two touchdowns like but still winning
on the road in Fayetteville. Huge win for this program.
They beat SMU. Going back to last week, what's the
likelihood that we have a shootout in still Water? I
think it. I think it could be really good. Um,
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the chances that we're going to have that, I think SMU,
you know, and that you know, Chad Morris, who was
the offensive coordinator at Clemson as they coach there at
s m U, So they really like to They really
like to sling it and spread it around and do
some creative things. But I think they for three and
fifty yards UM on TCU a week ago, and you know,
Kenny Hill and they got they got a new running
back that you know is you know, he's he's a
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very very talented guy. They've got some speed at the
wide receiver position, and they're playing fairly well defensively, but
I don't know that they can really they or really
any any other team in the country really can slow
down Oklahoma State. And now you know, you have eight
men back in the mix, and of course water Shington
already there, McCleskey in the in the slot, and then
this stoner could as well. He had like four yards
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receivers a few weeks ago and Justice, so it really
didn't need to do anything against pit as you said,
you know, I think in the first in the first
two drives he had like sixty yards and then you
know they kind of shut him down. He only had
eleven carries total on the day. So, um, you know,
to powerhouse offenses, this is gonna be a really interesting
game though. Um, you know, I don't know that Oklahoma
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State has the horses defensively uh to slow TCU down.
So it could very well be a shootout. And you
know what what defense can rise up and force a turnover,
which we know Blend Spencers defense coordinated there at Oklahoma
State has done such a great job of really creating
turnovers uh and having guys that understood or understand you know,
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how to do that. You know, which one of these
defenses can can force a turnover or make some kind
of big play and special teams could be the difference
in this one. How good is Mason Rudolph? You know
that's a good question. Know, I haven't heard. I haven't
heard much from the pro level. You know, we see
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so many of the quarterbacks as you know, inside of
inside of college football. Um, you know people say talk
about scheme guys, and uh, you know the scheme type
schools would be in Oklahoma State would be a Texas Tech, Uh,
similar schools like that. I haven't really heard. You know
how good he's supposed to be. Um, you know, he's
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had some great talent. But as far as evaluating him
on okay, well, this guy is wide open, but he
actually hit the guy in stride or he needed to
use the touch here. Um, I haven't seen or evaluated
him closely enough at that kind of level to know
how good he is. I know he's pretty damn good
for a college quarterback. Uh. And he can use his
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legs too, So I mean that's that combination is pretty dangerous.
And from what Gundy has been saying about him, I
think the most impressive thing is that he says the
guy's like he's like having another coach uh in the
locker room too. You know, he's just he knows the
playbook inside and out, knows the game plan inside and out.
Uh and and really is dedicated in that part of it.
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So as as far as you know where he is
in the draft, I don't know. But he's I know
he's a he's a Heisman type quarterback in college, but
I don't know about the next level. Yeah, and it's
conn be fascinating. Six thirty fourth year senior, and I
mean the numbers last year twenty eight and four this year,
eleven and one through for four thousand yards and we'll
see you obviously get a chance to see him on
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all these these big games. Robert Smith joining us. Um,
there's this story out where Aaron Nandez's uh family wants
to sue, was gonna sue because they found ct the
worst case of ct that this one researcher had ever
found in a deceased former players brain. UM. Hearing that,
knowing about your own kind of past as a great player,
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what goes through your mind when you when you hear that, UM, Well,
you know, there's a there's a lot of I mean,
there's a lot of false information out there about what
CD is I believe and what the science community has
confirmed it or believes it to be. Um. First of all,
we don't know what kind of cases this lady has seen.
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We don't know how many how many former players she's seen,
if they had symptoms while they were alive. I think
that's a really important part that people are missing here,
that the diagnosis of CTE up to this point has
been postmortem, so you're only looking at players that are deceased,
and a lot of the brains that have been evaluated
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have been donated by families that notice symptoms in these individuals,
and so you've got this selection bias going on that
you're only looking at people that have symptoms. But much
like Alzheimer's, and I don't want to get too far
off into the weeds here, but all Alzheimer's patients have
the similar type of plaques that can develop in the brain.
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Uh and and basically what could happen is that can
interfere with the functioning of the neurons in the brain.
But there are people that on post mortem analysis have
had these kind of tangles and they've been completely normal
during their lives. Now, nobody would look at Aaron Hernandez
and say he was completely normal. But what what what
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roll did CTE or these these tangles play in his brain?
We don't know. We we simply just don't know. And
the literature and the research isn't as it's it's not
as as simple as people think. And this isn't certainly
nowhere near settled science because we don't know automatically, we
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don't know necessarily the correlation between what a brain may
look like and how it functions with what appears to
be these CTE type tangles, uh and uh, and and
how that person was actually while while they were how
they were actually of functioning as they were alive, because
we know that his his gang history goes back. You know,
(42:05):
there's there's there's drug abuse, and there are a lot
of things there that could be contributing factors. Okay, so
maybe here's the here's the better question. All Right, you
got a young family. I have a have my son's
eight play flag, wants to play tackle? Do I let him? Um?
I say yes at the right age. And it's interesting.
I just saw an article and a post made by neuropathologists.
(42:30):
You know, a guy that actually studies brain injury and
he lets his eleven year old son play tackle football. Um,
so I would think in the twelve to thirteen year
old range that it's as safe as it can be. Um,
you know, playing the game of football, because it's never
gonna be a percent safe, and letting your kid ride
a bike isn't safe. There are a lot of things
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that are dangerous that we let our kids do. It's
a question of how dangerous there are, how dangerous they are.
And I think that the the worst part about what's
happened in this conversation over CT is that I think
a great deal has been exaggerated because people think that
the scientific community has a consensus that just hasn't been
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developed yet over what what it actually is and what
it actually means for individuals as they live. So I mean,
that's a that's you know, it's something we're gonna have
to find a lot more, find out a lot more
as a year's going. That's a Robert Smith. Always always thoughtful,
always interesting. Of course I've I've texted others and I
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think I text you man, your guys show on Saturday's
covering college ball is really really good. You guys seem
to get along, you know your roles, and it's always
interesting stuff. So keep it up you Mett Liner, coach
Wantstead uh and the crew. Uh. You guys do a
really and of course Rob Stone as the host, do
a really good job. Robert, thanks for catching up. Thanks,
We're having a lot of fun.
This is the best of the Doug gottli Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America? Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, Fired Up, Happy, just in a great
mental place? Why is that? Well? I told you he
felt felt off on Tuesday, Wednesday we didn't have football.
(00:21):
We're like Thursday football. Hey, how good was that last night? Right?
How good was that? That was amazing? It's amazing. It's
it's one of those. Um, I have not been on
the dating scene in oh, nineteen years, nineteen years, but
it's like any of my friends that have, you know,
(00:42):
they broke up with their significant other, you tell them like,
just go. You never you never know. You may get
caught in a conversation in about a blind date or
you know, you swipe right, they swipe right, You go
and you have a couple of coffee. You're like, wow,
you know, you may there may be a connection. Whatever
your expectations were, lie snipe, they they had to be
(01:04):
um exceeded, right. John ramos Is I've never heard of
anybody being a like, I'm a hardcore He's an uncomfortably
hardcore Rams fan. A matter of fact, he came in
today dressed head to toe in that horrendous monochrome. What
was that? What was the color mustard? Well, and that
(01:24):
was that? But that's a yeah, that was well, that's
like American mustard. Real mustard is like more of a mustard.
That's like, um, what's the kind of must that's like
a French Uh, French mustard? French is mustard yellow? But
what is that? With color Rush, he looks like he's
a personal color Rush today. But outside of that, but look,
he's a hardcore RAMS fan. Ramo's every expectation for not
(01:48):
just McVeigh or golf. But the game had to be
exceeded last night, right, very exciting game. It was an
incredibly exciting game. All Right, there's a couple of different
things that we have to get to which are very
important to point point out. First of all, uh, having
your expectations exceeded only tell you, uh what it's. It's
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about this in life, it's about this. With cars, it's
it's like, I don't know if you know this. Like
JD Power, they always put out the initial initial quality
survey when you buy a new car. And if you
notice on initial quality surveys, with the exception of Lexus,
most high end cars do not grade out all that well.
(02:35):
Do you know why that is? That's because people who think,
like I buy a nine BMW, they expect utter and
sheer perfection, right whereas if you buy buy a day woo,
you're like, ah, it's a day wou. I thought, I'm
just glad the wheels haven't fallen off. When I went
around the corner, they still make day woos. When I
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played overseas in Israel, I had a day woo. I
literally opened up the the hood one day and there
were mice in there pedaling away. But it's a lot
of it's about your expect your level of expectations. And
because the Niners and the Rams collectively stank last year
because it was Thursday night and at kickoff there was
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like fifteen people there. It's friends and family only. Hey,
let's have a five thirty start time. Some of the
worst traffic in in America, like an hour without traffic
from San Francisco. See how that works out. Whatever your
level of expectations, they were exceeded last night. And some
of this tells us about expectations. Maywether McGregor, maybe my
(03:39):
other McGregor was not a great fight, but you were
entertained more so than you thought you could possibly be entertained.
Why because you thought you had a non boxer against
what some people call the best pound for pound fighter
in the world. Your expectations were exceeded. You're like a
hundred bucks, here you go, here you go. Second thing,
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And this is really important. What works in math does
not work in sports, and it's hard. They're teaching all
kinds of My kids do Singapore math. I have no
idea what Singapore math is other than it looks like
it's written in a different language. And then my son
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were moving from west to east or east to west
or whatever. They have some sort of math which maybe
is Singapore math as well, but they do like everything
in tens and ten facts and things I don't even know. Like,
I thank goodness for Siri because I'm constantly dad, how
do you do this? Let me ask Siri. I have
(04:45):
a college degree. I was good in math. I swear
to you I was good in math um. But but
there there is a a math or actually an algebra
equation which people you is in life, and it doesn't
work in sports. Do you know what that equation is? No,
(05:05):
it's not equals mc squared. Not the pythagram theorem, it's not.
It's the transitive property. Ramos, are you familiar with the
transitive property? I'm probably am, but I wasn't very good
at maths, so I'm gonna pass. Okay. Transit property is
if equals B and B equals see A must equals see.
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You can also do if A plus B equal ce
B plus A plus Wait A plus b equals see
then B plus c most equal as it was all
the same thing, right. It's the transitive property. And here's
what happened. People did this. They did this with Texas USC,
they do it with last night. Wait, that's the defense
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that the Seattle Seahawks could only score twelve points against.
I just saw this very same San Francisco for the
under defense on the road on Sunday. Give up only
twelve should have been thirteen. Seattle miss an extra point
when they scored that touchdown. They only gave up. They
only scored twelve points against that defense. They gave up
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forty one points to Jared freaking Golf. Because if again,
transitive property, if the Seahawks can only score twelve, maybe
thirteen against the Niners, and the Rams can score forty
one against the Niners. Well, if use the transitive property,
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then the Rams have to be much better than the Seahawks. Right,
but that's not actually the way it works. Every game
demands context. Some of it is about the number of possessions.
The Rams defense was equally shoddy, even though the Rams
defense has been good at times. But you can't, you
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simply can't. Texas was awesome against USC, stopping the run,
They forced USC to throw the ball on third long,
They took away USC's DeAndre Burnette in many big occasions
and made others catch the ball, and USC had eight
dropped balls. But more than anything, Texas defense look physical,
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dominated the point of attack, and they held USC under
twenty points. Right, USC couldn't even on there. They want
on a field goal in double overtime, and the only
reason they want on a field goal was because Texas
fumbled and their own offensive possession, their defense continually got stops.
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And this is a defensive of course. Fifty one to
Maryland and so using the transitive property, Well, if Maryland
can be Texas at Texas and USC ki has to
go double overtime at home to be Texas, well, that
how Maryland is better than USC. That's the transitor property.
That worked that way. That worked that way. Now we
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always use it in sports, we use it as fans,
but but the math does not equate. It's never equated
never Ever. It's not just home road. Sometimes it's when
the game is played, where the game is played, or
in this case, the proximity of a Thursday night game
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to a Sunday game. In terms of love of preperators,
here's the last thing. Those are the two youngest coaches
in the NFL, right, and that game was fun. And
I don't know how good they are, um, but both
are young offensive minds. Both came from being offensive coordinators.
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One in Washington last year, one in Atlanta last year.
And that game, to me felt like a Big twelve
football game. Now, I'll admit it, I'm a Big twelve homer,
but I'm also a Big twelve realist. I understand that
up the middle and defensive lines. Texas and Oklahoma are
the only ones with formiable defensive lines to which, if
you play small mouth football over twelve or thirteen games,
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can compete with the likes of an Alabama that said,
I don't think the Big twelve is the best conference
in the country. It's been the most watchable, very good
conference in the country. Of the elite conferences. It's the
one that has the best quarterback play, the best wide
receiver play, and more than anything, the most spread offenses
so that they chuck it and games are in the
sixties and seventies. I can separate the idea that entertaining
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does not always mean good. Last night was super entertaining.
I don't know if either those teams are worth the
damn I mean. I think Mike March who said Jared
goff Is is surrounded by a buddy, I think he
looks foolish today. I think Sean McVeigh, being such a
young head coach, it looks like a genius higher today.
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I think the Niners feel like they have the spirit
they they're gonna You feel like the turnaround is not
that far away. And look, maybe we're overvaluing a Thursday
night game that over exceeded our expectations and that's why
we're taking it to mean more than it really means.
But the point is this, Uh sure, the Carolina Panthers
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scored with nine points when they beat the Buffalo Bills
this past week. The Panthers are better than both of
those teams that played. They just beat the Niners in
San Francisco badly, and they beat the Rams if they
played them. That doesn't make them more entertaining. And sports
is about it. I was thoroughly and completely entertained. Now,
you have to separate entertainment from good. But you also
(10:32):
have to understand that young coaches one because it's the
first year, but two, maybe it's breathing new life into
the NFL, taking more chances, throwing the ball deeper downfield,
spreading the game out and play more offensive minded football.
Is a wave of football that we need to see
in order to get us to like watching the NFL again.
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Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott
Leap Show weekdays at three epm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Did
you see this story about about one writer saying I
think it was Don Bank's longtime NFL report Don Banks saying,
um that there's at least been discussion, discussion. There are
(11:21):
people in the league, including the commissioner, they don't want
to see San Diego for saken, They would rather there
be a team in san Diego. If there's a viable uh,
it's viable they could put a team back in San Diego.
I think the camp would strongly consider it. There's there's
talk again in this, at least partially to move the
Chargers back to San Diego. Like, look, I talked to
(11:43):
people in the Charge to day and they're like, zero
point zero percent chance we moved back to San Diego.
It ain't happening. San Diego is like John qu Sack
and say anything with the with the with the boom
box outside right again, that that's a dated reference. Anything
that's an awesome movie, you should you should watch it
this weekend. Like our young intern, she has no idea,
(12:06):
but do you have you seen Say Anything? Say Anything's
a great movie? Like you should know. This is like
like they do stupid things with our kids. Like my
daughter is like why am I reading Tom Sawyer? Like
I don't know, but you should watch Pretty and Pink,
sixteen Candles, Say Anything, Weird, Science, Breakfast Club, Um, really,
all the John Hughes movies and say anything type of movies. Right,
(12:27):
Goonies you also should show your kids. Goonies is a
Goonies is a month. They're not going back all this.
This is very simple. This is what happens. And I
have friends are doing this. Like you buy a house
and you can't move in that, or you're gonna build
a house, so you go and you're renting, and you
rent for they're gonna rent for three years. Renting sucks, right,
Usually you rent a house that's smaller than the one
(12:49):
that you really want to be And why because you're
paying two mortgages. You're paying the mortgage in the house
that you're building or you're redoing, you're paying your construction loan,
plus you gotta pay pay pay your rent. That's so
they're doing pay playing in a smaller stadium that's not
really an NFL stadium, not really in the city they
want to be in. Like the San Diego thing is
not happening. They're not going back. The small crowds are problematic.
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You know, it's more problematic that they lost a game
to the Dolphins they should have won. That they had
a chance to tie Tieans into overtime in Denver and
they got a field goal blocked. They got a rookie
kicker who's what one of one for four on the year,
Like they gotta figure that's they gotta win game, win games,
and the rest will be fine. And in three years
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they move into their plush, new beautiful stadium that will
be the nicest stadium in the league, and everybody will
completely forget about year one and how they couldn't get
thirty people into stuff up. Fox Sports Radio has the
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list of the most valuable college football teams from the
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Wall Street Journal. Now again, I'm gonna state this. I
know it's the Wall Street Journal, and I know that
Ryan Brewer is an associate professor of finance at i
U p U i UH in Columbus. Right, so remember
this is weird. I you Indiana University, Purdue University in Columbus,
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where Ohio State is located. Um So, he did a
study at what college football programs would be worth on
the open market if sold like a professional sports franchise.
All right, Like this is such bull I mean again,
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I'm buying into it. I'm prefacing this segment of radio
saying that the value that I'm going to state that
a professor has studied and assigned to and we're all
quoting is complete bull, right, because there is no is this,
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there's no value. Well and and look he's got a
mathematical equation, but this is a lot like um. I
remember when George Mason went to the Final four, and
George Mason went to the Final four two thousand six,
I'm going to say two thousand six, Jim Laronego was
head coach an incredible, incredible run. They took down Yukon
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in the Elite eight, went to the Final four, lost
to Florida, and should be told, they were probably the
second best team at that final four. Just were L
S U and I'm gonna say U C l A
were the other two teams in the final four that year.
And I called one of Jim Larnegga's games next year
and he's like he had this big scrap book of
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all of the newspaper articles written about the run and
he's like, they say, it's worth the amount of e
free advertising we got is worth a billion dollars And
so immediately I'm sitting there going like, how do you
calculate that? Like, yeah, but if you would have taken
out an add in every one of these papers like okay,
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but you didn't. It's an article at if you had
to be reading a sports page, like there's there's no
real money. There's no, it's not real money. So so
the numbers when you see that uh Ohio State is
ranked number one and would be worth one point five
billion dollars, like, okay, why because the Dallas Cowboys are
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worth four billion dollars. Well, Dallas Cowboys also own their
stadium and then own a practic facility. That's the most incredible.
It's actually has a stadium inside the practic facility and
the Dallas Cowboys and iconic brand. They play in the
National Football League, which has only thirty two franchises and
only sixteen games, so there's a uniqueness to it as
opposed to college football, which as much as Ohio State
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is a unique and successful brand and has the iconic
scarlet and gray and plays in the Horseshoe. Are you
factoring in ownership of that stadium? Are you factoring in
who else they play? Because part of the value to
the Cowboys is that they play the Redskins, the Eagles,
the Giants at home every year on Sundays. They play
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on Thanksgiving whatever, Whereas Ohio State, like part of their
value or lack thereof it is they gotta play perdue
in Indiana and a couple of Rummy's and Oklahoma is
the big non conference this year, right, Like the values
are bull, what's not bull or what maybe is super
interesting is that um they have Texas listed as the
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second most valuable UH program just so you know, adjusted
inflation institutional allocations for athletics cover any expenses that exceed
the generated revenue by FBS schools decreased by point, etcetera, etcetera.
The n C is like, hey, look, plenty of programs
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don't make any more money. I don't believe any of
these values. I do know that some programs are more
valuable than others because their ability to generate revenue. Revenue
being generated doesn't actually have that much to do with
how good you are. It helps like Alabama's worth a
whole lot more now that they're dominant with Nick Saban
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and if Texas ever gets rolling, they'll be the most
financially successful program in the country. But it's more about
the fact the University of Texas they got fifty students,
got a lums all over. They had tons of money,
they got oil money, and they'll donate whatever to get
whatever facilities they want. And then when they're on TV.
There's actual value in having Texas brand. That's because and
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this is the third part. Please don't tell me about
any player's name and likeness being valuable. What's valuable is
the brand on the side of the helmet. It just is.
It just is because people watch college football games be
as they hear the name of the coach and they
know the name of the school, and then alumni and
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the alums watch their own program. And if your alum
of a college booall program, you're like sitting there going like, hey,
you're right, I watch. I will always watch my school play,
and then I'll watch the big name schools play. Be
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Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox
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was a great player and he's joined his courtesy of
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my Bookie online sports book. My Bookie is one of
the biggest online sports books in the business. By the way,
I don't know if I told you this, Andrea, I
got an idea for Major League Baseball? Right? How cool
would be a Major League Baseball if like you could
go to uh my bookie online, you get an iPad
and then there's a section of a state into which
you can bet on like every pitch. Why not? How
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much more interesting would that be? Like I'd be totally
in a like you know, you you swipe your credit card,
takes like two hundred bucks out right, that's your that's
your bank, and then you bet on everything like what's
the next pitch, what's the what's the next kid? Who's
gonna at the first home run? All that stuff going
while you're at the game. Mm hmm. You got you
got it. You got it down, man, no doubt about it.
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You got it down. Um. Last night's game just like
we all thought it would be, right, everybody thought Rams
Niners would be so far the best played game in
the nash Football League season. I'm I'm being sarcastic. I
loved it. Uh, but I'm wondering your take away. I
loved it too, man. I mean both of those teams
came to play, and I think, what was it? The
color scheme? I mean, I don't know what it was,
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but uh, Jared Golf played tremendously. I mean, he played great,
and they looked really good on offense looked pretty good too,
So that was they were going at each other and
that was good for TV. So uh, and are you
surprised by what the Rams are doing right now? Yes?
Or no? I'm I can't think pleasant like look I was.
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I'm always more optimist. I saw what McVeigh was able
to do with cousins, who I think, in terms of
overall talent is at best middle of the road. And
I'm like, I like the idea of a young guy
who grew up Madden generation, you know, drawn up plays
and and throwing the football around. I think I thought
that's just what Jared Goff needed. And I wasn't sure
whether or not he could regain his self confidence because
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they were so bad last year offensively, and he wasn't ready.
I mean, there's I had a lot of questions. So
I'm surprised pleasantly so, but I'm not gonna say I'm
not gonna do I told you so, But I thought
that it would be better. I didn't know be this
much better. Well, I I think this man, you're only
as good. I always said that you're only as good
as there are people around you. And I think Jared Goff,
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just like Carson Wentz, you know, they did some studying
in the off season. They really got into what they were,
you know, gonna be doing this year. Uh, they picked
up Sammy. I mean, Sammy had a tremendous game last night.
I mean the Bills right now are going Really we
really did that. Um they Stig got Robert Woods. You
know I was with the Bills. Um, they got mckill,
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Roby Coleman on the other side. So they got three bills.
And that's what I said on on social media that
they got three bills that are playing well. And Todd
Gurley seems like he is back to the form he
was to a certain point from his rookie season. Last
year was kind of a down year. So is he
opening up the playbook? McVeigh, I don't know. I just
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think Jerikoff is a lot more confident and you can
see it in him from just looking at his face.
He's more confident in what he's doing. And again, just
like Carson Wentz, he's a more confident player this year
than he was last year. So the Rams, I don't
know they started off this way last year and then
uh I remember going to l A to watch the
Bills play them, and then after that game they kind
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of just you know, went down the roller coaster. So um,
plus they got Aaron Donald back. I mean, that guy
is probably that's he's the best defensive player in the
league right now. Yeah he didn't. Yeah, he's a beast,
and he didn't have a training camp. It's it's it's
it's fast. And you bring up the Bills obviously Andre
read former a Bill great and it's yeah, and and
I don't it's it's gonna be weird for you. It's
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convincing a kid that, like, hey, the Bills went to
the Super Bowl four straight times, like what and like
all of this, you know, four wide passing game like
you guys did really before kind of anybody else, right,
I mean, like I can't imagine how success it's it's
one of those things where other teams you don't know
how their success would translate, right the eighty five Bears,
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I don't know if that thing would translate today because
you couldn't run the four six defense against these against
these offenses. I do think you could play exactly how
you guys played and still been super successful today just
as successful as you were then. Right. That's not a
crazy statement to make, is it not at all? And
you know defenses are gonna watch film and they're gonna
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see what you're doing. But it's it's a cat and
mouse game every week, and the coordinators go at each other.
And that's I think you're right. I think four wides.
You got to have guys that can stretch the field.
You've gotta have guys that know how to play the middle. Uh,
can do the dirty can do the dirty work there
in the middle. And you gotta have a running back
by committee. I mean, look at the Chiefs, I mean
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Kareem Hunt and they got a couple of other guys there.
They got guys there that they're just rolling them in
and out like the Broncos used to do back in
the day with with Anderson and Terrell Davis and all
those guys. That you gotta have guys that can run
the football and that again, that's always going to set
up the set of the past. But this game is
more of a passing game now than anything. But you
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gotta have guys that can tote the rock inside in
between the tackles that can you know, bring those safeties
down there and and and expect, you know, the quarterback
to beat them and the receivers because once you do that,
it's one on one and you gotta win those battles. Um,
speaking of the bills, which you brought up a couple
of times, like what are they doing? Like McDermott, McDermott
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comes in, he brings in his guy from Carolina, right,
so he's kind of Dermot kind of running the show.
And obviously he's got a defensive background. Didn't work as
well in Philly as it did in Carolina. Um, but
but he comes in, like what are they doing? I
was very surprised, I'm gonna tell you, Doug, I was
very surprised when they traded Sammy and and then they
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traded away Ronald Darby to Philadelphia. Uh, Philadelphia already had
colem in there. Um brab Ham had went to Philadelphia,
so you got the two corners something and and Stephan
Gilmour goes to the Patriots. It was like, oh, there
goes the season that didn't even start yet. I mean,
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I don't know, and I think you know, Sean, I
I love him. I think he's a great football mine. Defensively, Um,
right now, they're a little bit behind the eight ball
when it comes to offense or defense is playing pretty well.
It's six sacks the other day against Carolina, but offensively
they didn't score any points. And and you know that
they can't score any points. The defense is a gonna
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wear down and it's just gonna happen. That's inevitable. But
I'm actually going up to the game this weekend there
against the Broncos, and we know what the brown is
to to the Cowboys, So that's gonna be a tester.
And I think if they come out of that not
only with a wind, but unscathed, it's just it's just
a mental boose for them the rest of the season
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because it doesn't get any easier for them with Atlanta
New Orleans. They still they have to go to Uh,
they got Oakland coming up in a month or so. Um,
and hey, look they got they got Cincinnati and people
I know. Since then, he has been bad the first
two weeks. Since then, he's got talent, especially in the
defensive side of the ball. Tampa coming in their place
before it gets cold, before it gets really cold in October.
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Camp is a good team, like they gotta they got
a beast of his schedule before they come out here
and play and play the Rams, and they got the
Chiefs in the road. And let me ask you this.
You mentioned the Carolina Panthers. I know you watched that
game intently. I'm somebody I watched him like man, like
Kim Newton is inaccurate. Now, he struggled with that before
and he didn't have a full preseason because of the
shoulder surgery. But are we okay saying like this is
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who Cam Newton is. Right, He's gonna run a little
less than he used to. He's got a big old arm,
but he's always going to be's always going to miss
some throws we think he should make. That's just who
Cam Newton is. Yeah, I think you know he got
hit a lot of He's getting hit more times than
any quarterback in the last two or three years. And
and maybe I don't think he's Gunshi or whatever, but
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let's face it, man, if you ain't if you ain't
got anybody blocking, just look at Eli right now. Eli
is just dropping back and falling down because there's nobody blocking.
And I think Cam has maybe the Saint I don't
know if they're offensive line is is bad as as
the Giants right now, But they're telling him. He even
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said to himself, well, you know this is what I do.
I'm just gonna drop back and if I see something,
I'm gonna take off. Has he done that in the
first three games? Not really? And I think, uh, you know,
is that a mindset? I don't know. But they got
to start throwing that ball downfield, and they got to
use McCaffrey a little bit more if they're gonna score
some points. And I think they gotta take the pressure
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off him. I think cam can do everything, and he can,
but you know, he doesn't really have that s on
his chest. He's got to like a p on his
chest or b. So um, well, she had to be
known that, you know how Caroline is going to finish
out this year. But you know they didn't look good
either last week. Now I was bad, bad football. It
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was polar opposite of what we saw last night. My
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Uh and thanks to them for bringing us Andre Reid,
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Andrea will talk real soon. Man, thanks for joining us.
You got a man any time, Just let me know.
All right. That's Andre Reid joining us here on the
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Radio app. I love this. Uh. Karmelo Anthony? What's interesting
about Karmlo Anthony, Who's likely to start the NBA season
on the New York Knicks. Knicks aren't gonna run the um,
aren't gonna run the Triangle. Their new general manager says
he has an open mind. Scott Perry says he has
(29:08):
an open mind to moving, to moving him, but he's
gonna be back. He's a ten time All Star. He's
back here with the New York next week, expecting to
be professional. He's always exemplified that throughout his career. Moved
with him. What's what's what's fascinating about this? Is there
there is this belief that Phil Jackson killed Carmelo Anthony's
trade value. No, he didn't. All Phil Jackson did was
(29:28):
make it. Obviously wanted to move Mellow and his trade
value hasn't been good for a long time. He makes
a ton of money, he plays the style of basketball
which teams aren't playing in order to win. And though
he has superstar status in terms of the amount of
money he makes and the amount of name recognition he has,
um his teams haven't played well and he doesn't play
(29:49):
a style that's gonna help that. Winning teams are good,
not like they're gonna move mountains to try and trade
for Carmelo Anthony. So if if the idea was Jackson
was killing Karmelo Anthony's trade value, you get rid of
Phil Jackson and Karmelo Anthony doesn't have a ton of
trade value, what does that tell you about Karmelo Anthony's
trade value? And Jeff, I'm not saying it wasn't the
(30:10):
wrong move to get rid of Phil Jackson, but it
wasn't as much of the right move as people think.
What killed Karmelo Anthony was Karmelo Anthony always hurt, hard
to coach, doesn't play defense, and plays a style that
nobody else plays in the NBA anymore. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays
at three pm eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
(30:30):
and the I Heart Radio app. Robert Smith joins the show.
Of course, he covers college football for Fox Sports. Um
is he crazy to think I can give pennse the game?
Not at all. You know, I really like this Nathan
Stanley kid. You know, I've noticed him, you know, from
the beginning of the season. He's you know, he's got
really great delivery and you know, been accurate, you know,
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nothing otherworldly, but he's looked pretty good back there for
a guy that hasn't taken a lot of snaps. And
you know, when when you talk about Iowa over the
last couple of years, you know, people who have kind
of considered them to be a little bit boring, and uh,
you know, we've when we've seen them at their best.
A lot of times they've been, you know, just your
stereotypical Big ten team, you know, great offensive line, solid defense,
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and they've kind of fallen off defensively last couple of years.
Were looking a little bit better on that side of
the road. Home environment, you just never know. Um, So yeah,
I think that's a that's that's a that's a real
dangerous spot I think for Penn State. It's not It's
not the same as beating Akron, Like like what James
Franklin said after the beat pit. Yeah, look, Pitt is
not very good. So I saw him against my old
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model last Weday. Just that looked like that looked like
varsity versus j V Oklahoma State versus Pitt. Yeah, so
they've got some issues. Okay, let's let's but tell me
about Sea Kwon Barkley, Like, look, you were great running
back in college, great running back in the pros, and
there are some out there that think he's the best
pro prospect of any of them, even counting the quarterbacks.
What from a from a running ex perspective, how do
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you view him? Yeah, I think I think he's a
great back. And you know, it all starts with vision,
um and and and vision becomes even more useful when
you when you know the scheme is extremely well. So
he follows his blockers extremely well. I think it's a
good system for him. Uh. In the way that he's built,
he's lower to the ground, so it's easier for him
to stay low and behind his pads when he runs.
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He's got great lateral movement. Uh, and he's got a
lot of spring in his step. And I don't mean
that just because he just because he tends to jump
here and there. But when he does his jump cuts
and he when he when he makes lateral moves, he
can cover a lot of ground. And he's pretty good
with his acceleration after the cuts. And that's so important.
I mean, especially when you when you talk about transitioning
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to the next level, it's uh, you know, trying to
get away from guys and would be tacklers when everybody
is so much faster. Uh. And so he's got pretty
good top end speed too. So he's got He's got
it all. There's no question about it. Doug Gali Shao
Fox Sports Traded. That's the voice of former All American,
of course, the former pro bowler Robert Smith, who you
can see on Fox Sports covering college football. Michigan State
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taking on Notre Dame. That's a that's an FS one game.
And I'm fastened by this, Like Mark Antonio had you
just go back two years ago, they had this thing rolling, right,
They beat Iowa in the Big Ten championship game and
then they got exposed in the College Football Playoff. But
you know, when Michigan was down, they were up when
Ohio State went through a coaching change, like they were up.
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Is it just and when Penn State was down because
of probation they were up? Is it just a case
of those other three schools are always you know, when
they get when Michigan gets a rolling, Michigan State can't
compete the same thing Penn State. But is that just
what this is or or something did something else happened
to this program to which look there two and oh
and and I think they might beat Notre Dame. I
think Notre Dame is still kind of a mess. But um,
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but like, how did they go from a top ten program,
one of the most respected coach in the country to
now they're a home dog to it just an okay
Notre Dame team? Yeah, I think you know, when you
when you look at last year's team, it it really
just kind of all seemed to fall apart, uh, you know,
all at once. And I think what happened was it?
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You know, because because you can't afford to miss on
guys at Michigan State, you're just not You're not going
to have the depth and you know you're not gonna
have the reserve talent if you have the kind of
guys that to give it their hall and aren't always
going to be the best at at at knowing and
implementing scheme, then you can have some problems. You combine
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that with you know, being the second year that Patner
and Doozy was going on the defensive side, and you
saw some problems there. Uh. And I think you know
this this team is a lot younger and it's gonna
be interesting to see. I think this this weekend's game
could be really really interesting. I think they can win
this game. Um, but this year's teams really inexperience a
lot of new faces, but I think that they wanted
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to get rid of a lot of guys that weren't
kind of what they thought that what they thought they were,
and they just didn't have the they didn't have the bodies,
they didn't have the you know, the recruiting depth really
to kind of fill in those holes and make those
changes immediately. But this could be a really interesting team
this year because as you said, you know, you look
around the Big ten East and you know, traditionally Michigan State,
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you know, you're going back years maybe didn't have the
way to hang with the Ohio states and the Michigan's
UH in the Penn States. But I really think that,
you know, this this year could be different, you know,
and be more like what it was three or four
years ago, because I don't think it was just because
some of those programs were down. I think that they
hit on all of those guys, UH and that even
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though they didn't have the depth, that they still had
the talent and they had the guys that just always
played their tails off. Robert Smith joining us in the
Doug Gotlip Show. TCU takes on Oklahoma State. UM. Look,
last year TCU struggled. Their quarterback turned the ball over
way way too much. They weren't as good defensively, they
weren't as good at wide receivers they need to be,
and all of those seemed to be better this year. Right,
(36:00):
they just do UM. They beat Arkansas on the road.
It wasn't it wasn't really twenty seven, was really fourteen
and seven. They scored two touchdowns like but still winning
on the road in Fayetteville. Huge win for this program.
They beat SMU. Going back to last week, what's the
likelihood that we have a shootout in still Water? I
think it. I think it could be really good. Um,
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the chances that we're going to have that, I think SMU,
you know, and that you know, Chad Morris, who was
the offensive coordinator at Clemson as they coach there at
s m U, So they really like to They really
like to sling it and spread it around and do
some creative things. But I think they for three and
fifty yards UM on TCU a week ago, and you know,
Kenny Hill and they got they got a new running
back that you know is you know, he's he's a
(36:43):
very very talented guy. They've got some speed at the
wide receiver position, and they're playing fairly well defensively, but
I don't know that they can really they or really
any any other team in the country really can slow
down Oklahoma State. And now you know, you have eight
men back in the mix, and of course water Shington
already there, McCleskey in the in the slot, and then
this stoner could as well. He had like four yards
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receivers a few weeks ago and Justice, so it really
didn't need to do anything against pit as you said,
you know, I think in the first in the first
two drives he had like sixty yards and then you
know they kind of shut him down. He only had
eleven carries total on the day. So, um, you know,
to powerhouse offenses, this is gonna be a really interesting
game though. Um, you know, I don't know that Oklahoma
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State has the horses defensively uh to slow TCU down.
So it could very well be a shootout. And you
know what what defense can rise up and force a turnover,
which we know Blend Spencers defense coordinated there at Oklahoma
State has done such a great job of really creating
turnovers uh and having guys that understood or understand you know,
(37:47):
how to do that. You know, which one of these
defenses can can force a turnover or make some kind
of big play and special teams could be the difference
in this one. How good is Mason Rudolph? You know
that's a good question. Know, I haven't heard. I haven't
heard much from the pro level. You know, we see
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so many of the quarterbacks as you know, inside of
inside of college football. Um, you know people say talk
about scheme guys, and uh, you know the scheme type
schools would be in Oklahoma State would be a Texas Tech, Uh,
similar schools like that. I haven't really heard. You know
how good he's supposed to be. Um, you know, he's
(38:28):
had some great talent. But as far as evaluating him
on okay, well, this guy is wide open, but he
actually hit the guy in stride or he needed to
use the touch here. Um, I haven't seen or evaluated
him closely enough at that kind of level to know
how good he is. I know he's pretty damn good
for a college quarterback. Uh. And he can use his
(38:50):
legs too, So I mean that's that combination is pretty dangerous.
And from what Gundy has been saying about him, I
think the most impressive thing is that he says the
guy's like he's like having another coach uh in the
locker room too. You know, he's just he knows the
playbook inside and out, knows the game plan inside and out.
Uh and and really is dedicated in that part of it.
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So as as far as you know where he is
in the draft, I don't know. But he's I know
he's a he's a Heisman type quarterback in college, but
I don't know about the next level. Yeah, and it's
conn be fascinating. Six thirty fourth year senior, and I
mean the numbers last year twenty eight and four this year,
eleven and one through for four thousand yards and we'll
see you obviously get a chance to see him on
(39:31):
all these these big games. Robert Smith joining us. Um,
there's this story out where Aaron Nandez's uh family wants
to sue, was gonna sue because they found ct the
worst case of ct that this one researcher had ever
found in a deceased former players brain. UM. Hearing that,
knowing about your own kind of past as a great player,
(39:54):
what goes through your mind when you when you hear that, UM, Well,
you know, there's a there's a lot of I mean,
there's a lot of false information out there about what
CD is I believe and what the science community has
confirmed it or believes it to be. Um. First of all,
we don't know what kind of cases this lady has seen.
(40:15):
We don't know how many how many former players she's seen,
if they had symptoms while they were alive. I think
that's a really important part that people are missing here,
that the diagnosis of CTE up to this point has
been postmortem, so you're only looking at players that are deceased,
and a lot of the brains that have been evaluated
(40:35):
have been donated by families that notice symptoms in these individuals,
and so you've got this selection bias going on that
you're only looking at people that have symptoms. But much
like Alzheimer's, and I don't want to get too far
off into the weeds here, but all Alzheimer's patients have
the similar type of plaques that can develop in the brain.
(40:57):
Uh and and basically what could happen is that can
interfere with the functioning of the neurons in the brain.
But there are people that on post mortem analysis have
had these kind of tangles and they've been completely normal
during their lives. Now, nobody would look at Aaron Hernandez
and say he was completely normal. But what what what
(41:19):
roll did CTE or these these tangles play in his brain?
We don't know. We we simply just don't know. And
the literature and the research isn't as it's it's not
as as simple as people think. And this isn't certainly
nowhere near settled science because we don't know automatically, we
(41:43):
don't know necessarily the correlation between what a brain may
look like and how it functions with what appears to
be these CTE type tangles, uh and uh, and and
how that person was actually while while they were how
they were actually of functioning as they were alive, because
we know that his his gang history goes back. You know,
(42:05):
there's there's there's drug abuse, and there are a lot
of things there that could be contributing factors. Okay, so
maybe here's the here's the better question. All Right, you
got a young family. I have a have my son's
eight play flag, wants to play tackle? Do I let him? Um?
I say yes at the right age. And it's interesting.
I just saw an article and a post made by neuropathologists.
(42:30):
You know, a guy that actually studies brain injury and
he lets his eleven year old son play tackle football. Um,
so I would think in the twelve to thirteen year
old range that it's as safe as it can be. Um,
you know, playing the game of football, because it's never
gonna be a percent safe, and letting your kid ride
a bike isn't safe. There are a lot of things
(42:51):
that are dangerous that we let our kids do. It's
a question of how dangerous there are, how dangerous they are.
And I think that the the worst part about what's
happened in this conversation over CT is that I think
a great deal has been exaggerated because people think that
the scientific community has a consensus that just hasn't been
(43:12):
developed yet over what what it actually is and what
it actually means for individuals as they live. So I mean,
that's a that's you know, it's something we're gonna have
to find a lot more, find out a lot more
as a year's going. That's a Robert Smith. Always always thoughtful,
always interesting. Of course I've I've texted others and I
(43:35):
think I text you man, your guys show on Saturday's
covering college ball is really really good. You guys seem
to get along, you know your roles, and it's always
interesting stuff. So keep it up you Mett Liner, coach
Wantstead uh and the crew. Uh. You guys do a
really and of course Rob Stone as the host, do
a really good job. Robert, thanks for catching up. Thanks,
We're having a lot of fun.
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