November 18, 2017 • 47 mins
Doug argues the NFL has put itself in a really tough spot when it comes to player discipline for off the field issues. He thinks Cowboys owner Jerry Jones might have the correct message but he's just the wrong messenger. And 13-year NFL veteran Ephraim Salaam joins the show to preview this weekend's biggest games in the NFL.
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This is the best of the Dog Dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America? Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, comment to you from the City of Angels,
getting ready for what is sure to be an incredible
sports weekend. Aren't they all huh? And and like this
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is kind of one of my favorite weeks of the year.
It really is, um and you're like, is it all
the time? No? No No, no, no, no, no hold on,
now college football, these games really matter Fox. Of course,
this big game this weekend is Wisconsin finally finally playing somebody.
Michigan heads into Camp Randall Stadium. You'll see that on
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Big Fox. We will cover it. Stewart Mandel College Football
inside or join us later on the show. Plus you
got my picks five in college, five and probe and
killing it in college especially Harden the pros um And
then of course NFL games really starting to matter. We're
starting to figure out what the Cowboys are as I
don't have Zeke Elliott. We saw that two teams with
similar records are completely dissimilar last night in Pittsburgh. UM So,
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NFL games starting to matter even more. Um NBA, we
had a prime time match up on Thursday night. Chris
Bruce Sard will join us in fifteen minutes. Get his
thoughts less here. My thoughts will go back and forth.
Plus we'll talk about Lonzo Ball, the disappointing start to
the root for the rookie l a Lakers second overall pick.
Got that to get to and uh and then of
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course we got games Thursday, Thanksgiving games. You'll see the
Cowboys take on my bolts, the Chargers. You know, you
got four games on Thursday. You have college hoops all
spread out throughout the dial. So uh and I told
you Xavier was a lot better than Wisconsin last night
and that that played out as much we So maybe
I'll give you some college picks. We got ton to
get to. But uh, let's dive into the NFL, because
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there's kind of two Um, they're not chips passing the night,
because they are correlating stories. Let's start with the Jamis Winston.
Then we'll get to the story about Jerry Jones and
the owners and the fact that Jerry Jones apparently, um
Roger Goodell thinks he saved Jerry Jones and Jerry Jones
thinks he made Roger Goodell and therein lies the rub
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as to uh where I think the impetus of this
conflict between the two has arisen. But the real point
in the Jamis Winston story is kind of one of
the big issues in the Jerry Jones story. If you
had just if you missed the Jamis Winston story and
you look up, be like, why are they talking about
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Jameis Winston. He's not playing this weekend, he hasn't had
a particularly good a year. What is it about Jamis Winston.
Jamis Winston, of course, was accused of of sexual assault
in college. Uh, he has now been accused of sexual
assault of a different variety. And like, look, if he
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even if he did what he was he is alleged
to have done to this uber driver. Okay, I remember,
if he did what he's alleged to have done with
this uber driver, that does not, I think, in anybody's mind,
measure up to what he was alleged to have done.
But it was never charged with, nor was he found
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guilty of entitled nine discussions or whatever it was at
Florida State. But that was far more graphic, far more troubling,
um then these allegations. Nonetheless, You're like dude, how unlucky
do you have to be? Uh too? For somebody to
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make what he deemed false accusations at Florida State and
what they're now deeming to be false like twice, but
they're they're very different in all fairness, But that none
of that matters because I don't know if that's how
much the truth comes out. I mean, like, look, part
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of what I think bothered, part of what makes the
case for Jamis Winston against his first accuser, and I
don't know how many of you guys paid attention to it,
because what happens is we always assume guilt instead of
the other way around. Jamis was never charged with a crime.
Then they went Title nine was three times he was investigated,
never did did he was? He did? Was he found
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guilty of violating her Title nine rights at at Florida State.
So the Jamis actually sued his former accuser and the
reason he sued her and obviously nothing's coming out of it,
but the reason he sued was because her accusations did
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irreparable harm to his image. And you know what, I
think he's got a point because I don't know if
he sat in the passenger seat and groped the Uber driver,
as she alleged took place in two thousand and sixteen
in Scottstow. I don't know. I wasn't there, she did,
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reported immediately his Uber account was shut down. He he
and his agent attorneys like, there are a bunch of
there's other there's another person at least in that car,
she says. She said there was only one person in
the car. He said he wasn't even sitting in the
past in your seat. Um, no one disputes that somebody
on his account was riding in that car. But but
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the reason that this story becomes a lot more believable
is because the Florida State accusations. And I'm not talking
about what he said on campus at Florida State when
he repeated a popular meme. I'm saying because of because
of those allegations, you you think it's it's plausible, and
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and this is one of those you're innocent, nail, proven guilty,
and then even when you're considered innocent or never even charged,
you're still considered guilty. That makes sense. So not sitting here,
I mean like look that I do. I like the
image that or whatever character maybe Jamis Winston portrayed himself
as during Hard Knocks this year. I do, and I did,
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But I'm just a neutral bystander. I don't know what
happened at Florida State. I just know that how many
times can you be investigated and somebody not find you
wrong of of anything, have found any wrongdoing? Um to
which I think I can't. I can't hold that against you,
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you know, like even in the court of law when
you've committed past crimes, oftentimes they can't use that that
is not admissible during a new trial. There was never
any trial, there was never any charges. So but it's
hard in your mind for it to be inadmissible. But
I do think you have to look at this as
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it's inadmissible that that makes that makes sense my I
think I'm making sense. But that's even not the point
that that I wanted to get into. I understand the
argument that the reason Title nine UM charges should be
brought on college campuses is because, for example example, what
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happened at Baylor or what happened with Jamis Winston. When
you have a powerful entity like the college football program,
which is responsible for millions, maybe hundreds of millions of
dollars flowing into university and flowing into university towns that
sometimes the belief is, sometimes the belief is that local
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police will uh sacrifice the kind of the sanctity and
credibility of what they do because they don't want to
derail the freight train that is college football. Like that's
the belief, right, Well, you know, he plays a great
college football players, so we'll look the other way. And
it has played out as such, and there have been
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times in the past when it has played out like that.
But the Roger Goodell versus Jerry Jones thing reminds me
of college football, college athletics, and the Title nine cases thing.
Universities their charter has nothing to do, nothing to do
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with investigating crimes committed on or off campus that is not,
is not, should not, and cannot be under their purview.
There are professionals that do that. It is the local police,
or the state police, or the federal police, depending on
the jurisdiction of and the level of crime that is
alleged to have been committed. And if if those bodies
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don't do their job, they are held accountable by the
court system and by the local and state and federal government.
But we've done this. Once we've allowed Title nine courts
to decide guilt or innocence. Once we've once we've set
that precedent. Now a sudden um schools are being forced
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to have basically their own sub court system, separate completely
from the local court system. That's a mistake, just like
what's happened with Roger Goodell. This is a This is
a mistake. They should not be investigating domestic violence. It's
no different. We all went crazy because ray Rice only
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got two games. Why don't we go crazy about ray
Rice only getting two games for punching Jine Rice and
knocking her out. We should have gone crazy that. The
fact was, they had video of him in the state
of New Jersey, and they gave him a pre trial
diversionary hearing. He got off with the community service. And
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if you want to say, well, you know, NFL should
be held to a higher standard like that, that sounds great.
And maybe if they're found guilty of a crime, then
and only then should you be able to punish based
upon the findings of a corporate man. This is a
I mean, that's really what Jerry Jones should be going after.
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The story out of Wall Street Journal is this Uh.
Jerry Jones apparently when he was building the Death Star
also known as Jerry's World War at and T Stadium. Uh,
they went so far over budget. He was running out
of money. And Roger Goodell was a deputy commissioner. He
was in the front offices in all the meetings, but
he was kind of that that wallflower. He's just kind
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of silently working the room. And when Jones left the
room after asking for money from the League to finish
up the project, he got it done, and in turn,
he helped get it done that Roger Dell was a commissioner.
They worked hand in hand as kind of silent partners
in the other's lives. Goodell helped Jerry's Death Star get
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built or completed, and Jerry helped Roger Goodell take the
seat of Paul Tagliaboo. And now when when Roger Goodell
was forced because of public opinion, public sentiment and president
to to investigate the alleged domestic abuse by Ezekiel Elliott
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and then punished because of of a sense in some
of the findings, Jerry Jones is like, dude, I made you.
It reminds me and like, look, I can tell I
think I can tell a Bill Bill Cosby Bill Cosby
joke without saying it's okay to be Bill Cosby considering
what he's alleged is that ronis is it okay to
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credit Bill Cosby with with a line? Is that all right?
Or is it? Are we so negative towards Bill Cosby
because of what we learned? That's a hard one. But
Bill Cosby had a famous stand up um stand up.
It was a I think a cassette tape and it
was also a stand up special. It's called Bill Cosby
himself and Bill Cosby talked about uh uh, what what
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he would tell his kids. I brought you in this world.
I'll take you out. I think. I think Actually he
said I got that from my father. I brought you
in this world, I'll take you out. And that's kind
of the feeling that Jerry Jones has for Roger Goodell.
I made you, and if I made you, I can
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end you. We've talked, we've talked for months since I
took over this show. The idea of having a rabbi
in the him, somebody who will bless your president, somebody
who believes in you. There is one issue with that,
because once you get that job. If you try and
do that job by letter of the law and you
don't play favorites even to the people that made you,
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they will try and end you. But none of this
would I don't think we would ever get to this
place where Jerry Jones was going to the mattresses if
the NFL hadn't gotten into this. Let's decide, are Let's
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decide uh guilt or innocence of something which should be
investigated by the paid authorities to investigate guilt or innocence.
Just like college sports program college university shouldn't be shouldn't
be investigating Title nine violations. They just shouldn't. It's a
that's a bad idea, that is not the charter of
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the school. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
Let's react to last night's I would say it's it's
an upset right. The Boston Celtics down four with four
and a half to go, win by four against the
Golden State Warriors. They now have a fourteen game winning streaking,
the best record in the NBA. Chris Brussard joins us. Chris,
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what's your reaction to that game? Well, I think that Boston, Uh,
there are several things. One brass Stevens this phenomenal. He's
right up there now, was one as arguably the top
coach in the league. Certainly I go with Greg Popovich
because of his history, but Stevens is working wonders with
this team without his second best player in Gordon Hayward,
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a youngster, and Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown as well.
Uh so that's number one, number two. They play so
hard defensively. I mean Jalen Brown was getting after it.
He was guarding Kevin Durant. He's given up how many
inches to Kevin Durant was doing a good job on him,
and and it looked to me like Golden State. Look,
Golden State still the better team, They're still a heavy
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favorite to win it all. But when the going got tough,
I felt like Golden State was like, do we really
want to exert the energy that's gonna take to win
this game or you know, we're just gonna coast along
and see if we can pull it out, you know,
at at three quarter speed. And I think that was
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the difference. They kind of coasted. You saw they took
three three pointers at the end of the game, Uh,
instead of maybe driving to the basket, neither getting fouled
or making a layup or shot in the paint. Uh.
And Boston just wanted it more. But you gotta give
him a lot of credit. And I'll say this because
Golden State went through this where nobody believed in them
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in Steve Kurk's first year. And to be honest, even
after they won that championship the first year, they still
had a lot of doubters. Uh. Doc Rivers said they're
lucky they didn't play us in the playoffs. Memphis was
hurt in the playoffs. A lot of people were talking
that summer that they were one of the worst teams
ever to win the championship. And it was because Steph Curry.
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Nobody believed he was the number one guy on a
championship team. Nobody believed Clay Thompson was the number two
guy on the championship team, and no, Draymond Green was
the second round pick. And so they made people believe
rather than people giving them the benefits of the doubt.
Boston is in that process, nobody really believes. I still
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think Cleveland's coming out of the East, and most people
do as well. But they are making you believe, because
you're not gonna believe Kyrie Irving is the number one
guy on a championship team unless he makes you believe it.
Jalen Brown in his second year, Jason Tatum as a rookie.
Nobody's gonna believe those can be the three best players,
throwing out Horford of a championship contender and so right.
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At some point though, whether it's twenty straight victories, whether
it's a sixty three or sixty five win season, at
some point we're gonna have to say, you know what,
they really are a contender if they keep proving us wrong.
Stug got lip show Fox Sports trailer. That was a
long dissertation there from Christmas Shard. He had a lot.
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That's okay because I watched the game, and then I
watched the game with my son, and I was showing
him some of the things going on straight and then
I rewatched the game kind of from my own, from
my own kind of BASKETBA Very rarely do I get
a chance to kind of take a breath and really
watch one NBA game Um, I do think they play hard.
I thought they got a friendly home whistle. I don't
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even think Kyrie played all that well. He missed some
shots he normally makes, some some drives he normally makes,
and they still won the game. I'm a little bit
concerned about Golden State threefold. I don't think their bench
is great, um and some of those key pieces, like
in Andrea Goudala that they overpaid to keep, Like at
some point Andrea Goodala is going to age. And it
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was hard to tell if last night was a sign
because the game was so physical. He felt like he
got fouled a couple of times down the stretch and
he just kind of stopped playing. But I don't I
don't know if if he's gotten past that stage of okay,
he's no longer nearly as productive even in living in
minutes um. And I kind of feel like they're a
little selfish right now, Like Clay still third Wheel, shooting
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a little bit quicker even than he normally does because
he doesn't get it as much. The ball is still
is has always stopped more with Kevin Dury and he's
clearly the best player. And I thought Steph Curry was
not just off his game, taking out of his game.
But he didn't look particularly joyful. You know, the always
time we're playing joyful basketball. I know that last night
was about the Celtics, but I had a couple of
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negative takeaways from the Golden State Warriors, even though they've
played in the last three finals and one two of them. Yeah,
And I think that's why when we look at NBA history, Uh,
has there been a team I don't believe there's been
a team to get to fource straight find other than
those Celtics teams of Bill Russell back in the day.
But the Heat did right, The Heat did under Ron
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got the four straight, didn't win for certain year, got
the four straight. But my point is is very difficult
to maintain the sense of urgency, even to your point somewhat,
the sense of joy in the regular season, when you
know and everybody is critiquing you based on May and June.
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It is difficult. And I mean Sean Livingston was telling
me this the year after they won the championship that
we are greatest. Endemy is complacency and we have to
fight that off. So I I really think I think
every point you made was valid. I'm not concerned as
much about their bitch, you know, I think, I mean
a lot of people thought in the off season their
bench got better. I think Adria Goldolla has some great
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moments yesterday, but you said late in the game he
kind of got frustrated. But I just think that they're
going through complacency. I don't know if I should say boredom,
but it's not only is it kind of easy for
them on many nights, but it's just not what's the
It's not that big of an accomplishment to win this
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regular season game, and so I think that that's what
they're battling through more so than you know that they
really got some some chinks in their armor, so to speak.
That's the voice of Christopus Shard joining us. What's the
league saying about about a Lonzo Ball and his struggles?
I have not I know there have been some commentators
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who said they think he's gonna be a bus and
maybe there are some talent evaluators. Of the people I've
spoken to, no one has said he's gonna be a bus. Now.
I have been told he's gonna be good, not great.
I've been told he's going to be, you know, a
very a good starter. Um, he's not like if you
got a Big three. He's not one of those big
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three guys. Um. I've been told that slowdown on the
Jason Kidd comparisons because Kids was so much more aggressive
and obviously defensively was just light years ahead of war
lives of that right now. Um so what lines. Oh,
the thing that concerns a lot of people more than anything,
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even more than the jump shot, is the passivity. Uh.
And then there are those in you and I think
I've talked about this before. I have praised the fact
that he pushes the ball up with the past. You know,
if there's somebody ahead of him, he's not gonna dribble
it up, which takes longer. He's gonna push it up
to the guy ahead of him on the path. But
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some scouts and I agree after he does that almost
for no reason to a fault. His default, His default
is the hot potato of basketball. He gets. Yes, if
it's Brook Lopez at half court, he's gonna pass the
head to him, just because he's ahead of him. And
you have to pass the hand to a guy that
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can make a play or score otherwise dribble it up.
You're the point guard. You're the best decision maker, You're
the leader, and not something he's not doing. And to
be honest on him, most nights, he is just a
ball mover. That's it. And so he's got to learn.
There's a lot he has to learn, but I think
he's capable of learning it and this could be good
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for Look, I think what he's suffering for more rare
than anything, is the over the over scrutiny, if you will,
because of his dad, dearref. I is coming off the
bench for arguably the worst team in basketball. He's averaging
four assist the game. He shooting nineteen present from three.
Nobody's even thinking about the five JOHH Jackson. I watched
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him shooting an airball last night on a like a seventeen.
And he was supposed to be he was supposed to
be a culture changer. They'll play to night and staples.
He hadn't changed any culture. That team stinks. They already
fired their coach and their cultural disaster. Yeah, exactly. Nobody's
saying anything about it. So I think if if we
didn't know who LaVar Ball was, I don't think people
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would be criticizing and calling lines or a bus like
they are right now, Okay, what what about? I said
yesterday that I think the NBA in the off season
they need to find a way to tinker with the
rules so that you make it even easier for the
star big men prezingis Carl Anthony Towns and Joel Embiid.
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And while people are like, well, you tinker with the rules, like, look,
that's what they've done to allow Steph Curry to be successful,
to allow James Harden to be success. So you can't
touch those guys in the perimeter now like these guys
are and even DeMarcus Cousins to a lesser extent. These
guys all shoot threes, they all handle the basketball, but
they can also score some in the low post. I
think that, like, look, the future of the NBA is screaming,
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there's other talented players, but we got three, four or
five super talented, versatile big guys that are going to
be superstars over the next decade. I think the NBA
needs to find a way to to make them even
more prominent based upon how they call the game. I
just want to and that's this obviously was reality. I'll
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go ahead, I'll go ask you, what do you have
any ideas that something you might want to see. You
gotta cut down in the physicality. I think of in
the low post. In the low post, you gotta cut
you gotta cut down in the physicality. And um, you
know I I think they're doing a better job of
speeding up the game. Allah the FEBA type rules in
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terms of the shot clock resets it. I don't know.
I just like, look, I would be open to whatever
suggestings you can you can find in order to make
it easier for them to continue to get the b
because you know, like, look, uh, Anthony Davis, I think
kind of got caught in the middle there, um in
in trying to find offense for him and and now
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you have you have. I mean, those three young guys
can be superstars, and I think anyway you can create
an atmosphere to which they can be more successful will
only help grow your game, because um, because they're bigger
than lifestyle, like physically bigger than life, and their personalities
are big as well. I think they can be superstars,
but the NBA needs to help well. I think, especially
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in the case of Porzingis and Janie, they are becoming
they are excelling in the same things essentially that the
smaller players are excelling it, you know, like Janice, I
mean can't shoot, but because he's the ball handler, because
he can slash. You know, he's not killing people in
the post. Now, Porzingis goes in the post a little more,
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and Nbat of course is really good down there in
the post when he wants to be down there. Um.
I the best suggesting that I've heard this came from
our colleague Colin Cowherd, is that you run the three
point line, get rid of the corner three, and run
the three point line into the sideline like maybe at
the you know, around the half. So that would cut
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down on the number of three pointers taken, and I
think it would increase post play again and mid range game,
because I think the game is best when there's a
combination of all those things, when there's a combination of
three point shooting, mid range game, and post play, not
when it's kind of heavy toward one like when back
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in the day when it was just mostly throwing into
your post man, Yeah that you had that. Now you
got the over inflatence on the three point shot and
not much postplay. I think if you got rid of
the corner. Three teams couldn't just plant a bunch of
guys out on the three point line, and that would
necessitate more mid range and post games. So I think
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that would do it. That's really the best suggestion I've heard.
I think the league is years away from going to
that measure. But um, I don't want the game to
become all three pointers or shots in the paint because
mid range game is where you get a lot of
the best creativity and the best lose and things like that,
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and so I think that would be my concern. But
I think those three guys you mentioned, I think they're
gonna be superstars if you don't touch the game, because
look at what they're doing already. Great stuff, Chris. Do
you hear Christopers start weekends here on Fox Sports Radio.
See them on all of our TV shows as well.
CEB can't tell you how much I appreciate you, how
popping out with us yere on a Friday? All right, Doug,
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anytime man. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
line up in the nation. Catch all of our shows
at Fox sports radio dot com and within the I
Heart Radio app. Are you expanding to markets that don't
waunt your product, this idea of they won't lengthen the season.
They haven't given to eighteen games, but putting more games
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on TV. Now it's on Thursday. Did you watch last night?
Are you going to continue to watch Thursday? And now
Saturdays will come up and Sundays and Mondays. You're like, oh,
that's a lot of football. Plus I watched Saturday college
football and occasionally Friday night college football. It's a lot.
NASCAR is dead. What happens to the NFL when Tom
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Brady retires? What if Aaron Rodgers says, you know, I
just gets hurt again, like good and you lose Peyton,
you lose Brady, you lose Drew Brees. In the next
couple of years, you're gonna use lose Ben Roethlisberger. So
I think it's do I think the NFL will survive?
I do, and I do think they're coming up with
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new quarterbacks. And but man Andrew lux hurt. Jamis Winston
now of a sudden being linked to this sexual misconduct
from an uber driver which he may or may not
have actually been the only one in the car. I
mean Marcus Mariotto, which we thought was as a sure deal.
You're like, He's okay. Derek carr Ah, the second coming
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is He's been the second coming this year and are
really kind of fascinating to see. I don't think the
NFL will follow the pitfalls of NASCAR, nor will there
be the limitations of NASCAR, but it is going to
But remember, uh, do you have the same problem with
guys worrying about instead worrying about dying. They're worrying about
being maimed, worried about their knees, their back, their hips,
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but also worried about the brains. Like there's some NASCAR
has died dead not to be resuscitated, and the NFL
should be very aware. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app from Salon. Bigie kind of to join
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us in studio here on the Doug Otlip Show, of course,
he is a two time Pro Bowl. Uh, two time
Pro bowler back in the time with the Texans in
thirteen years the Nashal Football League. Let's let's before we
get to last night. I wanted to ask you about
one of the stories of the week and that's the
Buffalo Bills. Sunday they said Tyrod Taylor's our quarterback. Monday,
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they said Tyrod Taylor's our quarterback. Tuesday they said Tyrod
Taylor our quarterback. Wednesday they said Nathan Peterman is our
starting quarterback. What would your reaction be in that locker
room as a vent um, I would I would be displeased.
Number one, the things that come out of locker rooms.
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Most guys in the locker room know they know what's
gonna happen before we do, you know, before you know, media,
before any of us do. So if this was something,
remember Monday Tuesday, those are relatively day off. You know,
you coming on Monday and you watched the film of
Sunday and tuesdays your day off, so you know, nothing
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really happened until Wednesday when people can report that, oh,
you know, Tyrod Taylor wasn't starting at at practice or
anything like that. You know, most of the times coaches
will actually grab you know, the team and be like, hey,
we're gonna you know, it's to explain the situation. This
is what we're gonna do. Um, you know, we gotta
change this up or whatever it is. But as a player,
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you know if I like Tyrode Taylor. So you know,
it's just a situation where the coaches are trying to
do something to spark something, to try to get some
type of you know, momentum gathered back because they've fallen
off the last couple of weeks. Man, big time, no question,
they've fallen off. Last night was a game of two
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teams with similar records, and yet I don't know anybody
who thought they were of similar levels. And the final
score would tell you as such. So what do you
make Let's are with the Steelers, what do we make
of how uneven some of their performances are? Like, how
do you go out Sunday and almost lose to the Colts,
get down seventeen? How do you get how do you
allow Cleveland was the start of the year, but so
many these other teams have gotten a game from the
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Pittsburgh Steelers and the Bears beat him. How do you
explain that? And then last night when they decided they
want to play in prime time, they're like, all right,
we're a lot better. How do you explain that? Uh,
it's hard to explain. But just given what they have,
they were, they've gone through and some of the things
that they've said, uh, throughout this year, Ben Roethlisberger honestly
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and openly admitting maybe he doesn't have it anymore. Them
not running the ball at the beginning of the season,
the tomorrow between you know, Ben and Antonio Brown and
Mike Tomlinson. You know, all of this resonates as a
team that's trying to recapture something that they're losing. Pittsburgh
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for the since I was in the league, there's always
been one of those teams you had to watch out for,
one of those dominant teams. You got a quarterback, all
Pro quarterback, Hall of Fame quarterback who was not quite
sure if he has what it takes, you know, to
to take the team to the super Bowl. Then you
you know, you change up the offensive philosophy, you start
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running the ball, and then you begin to regain some
of that success that you had. But the problem is
they're unsure, they're not locked in, they're not solidified. Some weekends.
The defense players great last night, I mean it was
then were tremendous, although Tennessee did help them out greatly.
But when you see teams like this, they're just trying
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to get it right. But you gotta remember Pittsburgh always
picks it up in in in November, December. They've always
been a team that can hone in when the weather
starts getting bad, you know, no matter what's happened at
the beginning of the year, they've always been a team,
you know, start winning into division and in going towards
the playoffs and hitting their stride. So they're dangerous. I mean,
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they're they're a dangerous team. And that's you know, that's
why we play the games every Sunday because you never know, man,
you never know. You absolutely never know from you have
to know. Yeah, that's not acceptable. You have to know
everything that's going on. You have to you have to
be no more than everybody else. From salom joining us
on the Doug Gottlive Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
(33:25):
All right, let's get to the Dallas Cowboys. Um, they're
not gonna have Zeke he uh he took this suspension
and he's like, look, it's just legal stuff. Um. And
then you know they're probably not gonna have Tyron Smith.
And they're taking on the Eagle's team that has a
really good front seven. This after getting dominated by the
Atlanta Falcons front seven. What's the likelihood the Dallas can
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win this game without Tyron Smith was without Ezeki Elliott. Oh,
there's no shot. There's no shot. And the problem with Dallas,
and we saw it last week without Zeke is they
didn't get any other running back ready to go. Right,
you have this, this this suspension looming the entire season,
all off season. You don't give anybody any garry to
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get them acclimated to to to game shape and ready
to carry that load. So they put themselves in a
position where, okay, Zeke's going, we gotta throw somebody out there.
We throw Morris out there, and we'll see what's gonna happen.
And it's not working. Well. Now you lose your your
left your uh you're starting Pro Bowl left tackle. It's
just too many facets. The Dallas Cowboys aren't good unless
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they can run the ball. We've we've seen that. Well.
I don't care who's the quarterback, Tony Romo, Dak Prescott.
If they can't control the clock and control the down
the distance by running the ball, they're not good. And
to expect them to go and play up against a
hot Eagles team and and come away with the victory
with that type of uncertainty on the offensive line and
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in the backfield, I don't see it happening, all right,
So give me the honest assessment. How much of that
do we place blamingly place on Doc not being good enough?
How much of it, honestly, he's on the wide receivers
not being able to get open if you don't have
that extra guy in the box. I think it's a
combination of both. But I think what Dallas Cowboy did,
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and I've been on teams has done this before. You
have so much success in the previous year, right, so
they led the league in rushing. Ezekiel Elliott was tremendous,
So going into the next year, you just expect that
to happen. And when you lose a running back. We
lost Jamal Anderson I think the third game after he
had eighteen hundred and forty six yards. He was our
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only running back. He actually had more carries than anybody
in league history in the year that year, and once
he left, we had no other backup, so so it
didn't even matter what the receivers of the quarterback did.
We were so focused on running the ball and our
team was built around running the ball. That it didn't matter.
So now you're in a situation where you're trying to scramble.
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You don't have that same production out of you know,
you're running that corp. So now the down and distance
is long. But now first is not first, and five
is first and eight you know you maybe get a
stack or lose yards. Now it's third and long. So
your whole playbook changes, in in your whole trajectory of
your offense changes because you don't have that consistency and
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gaining those yards on first and second down. Evenm Salimar
guest on the Doug Gottlieb Show, he's a thirteen year
NFL that. You can hear him here on Fox Sports
Radio on the weekends. All Right, so, um, what about Philadelphia? Like,
we started talking about Pittsburgh and I could get I
could glean from your voice. You believe Pittsburgh is an
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honest challenger to the New England Patriots. Reasonable? What about Philadelphia?
Is this really a super Bowl caliber team? Yes? Yes
it is. When you look at this kid, Carson wentz Man,
I mean he was tremendous last year, started off with
the bang. You know, they had a lot of injuries,
so he fallsed a little bit, but the progression he's
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made from an already superb rookie year to a second
year has been tremendous. And what's happened is the team
has galvanized around him. They believe in him, right and
once we trust, they believe in him. And you can
tell when a team you look at the rams. This
is the same way with with Jared Golf. You can
tell when your quarterback position is as a leader on
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the team and the team offensively and defensively, they're all
in and they believe. You just have a different type
of swagger, as the kids say, uh today in a
different type of beliefs. So when they take the feel
they're doing things, even if they turn the ball over,
have a setback, everything is in the realm of possibility
in terms of winning because they believe in their floor
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general or their field general, which is Carson wins. David
Johnson joined joined US earlier this week. Uh, the injured
running back to the Arisona Cardinals. Uh. He was promoting
a ping pong tournament. All right, this is really important.
From Salam joining us, you can hear him five o'clock
Eastern time with Mike Hill on Fox Sports Radio every Sunday.
After I give you foosball, I give you pool, billiards, pool, whatever,
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I give you, ping pong and darts one through four?
Which are you most and which are you are you
least skilled at? I would say least skilled at foosball,
So foosball these five, bing pong, ping pong will be
(38:27):
four three, ye three. I'm the best at darts and
then pool the pool will be second. That's reasonable. I'm
a reasonable I'm a maniac at darts. I'm the part
of it is you have long arms. So I figured
I feel like, here we go, here we go. Look,
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these are my gifts. You're six ft six ft thirteam
with long You wouldn't be a pro bowl left tackle
unless you had incredibly long arms, right, you gotta have
incredible long arms and good hands, and so I I
picture like everybody draws a line, you're like, oh, that's cool.
And then you're because of your size and length, you're
reaching halfway to the dark board. You might as well
just be placing it on the dart board. Hey man,
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we all have our gifts. Man, I can't say I
can't give them my gifts. Bank you are gifted you
let me let me ask you? Can I ask you something?
I know? We always talk about football and all that.
Do you see that Celtics uh uh go to state
game last night? I did. I watched. I watched the
entire game. Watched actually twice. I watched it one time
with my son that I watched it back on d
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v R. What do you think about that? That was amazing? Right,
it was a great game. I look. I thought the
Celtics were a little bit more physical, a little bit
more aggressive. I thought they got some home calls, like
Kyrie got some star calls, which, um, which was kind
of surprising that Golden State didn't get some of those
star calls. I did think gold States a little selfish,
like like for a team that preaches, you know, playing
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having a great time and having joy when they're playing,
like it didn't feel like Steph was having fun with
Marcus Smart guarding him. And I thought the ball got
a little sticky, especially with k d And and Clay
Clay Thompson. But it is impressive what Jalen Brown being
this good this early in his career and then apparently
his best friend dying, his best friend growing up died yesterday, Um,
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he was. He was amazing. And yeah, I mean like
their ability to find ways to win games, the culture
of winning that they've read there is amazing. Watching that game,
I'm looking and I'm saying Golden State doesn't like when
you're physical with him. They don't like that at all.
I mean, they like to come off those screens and
and and freely shoot those threes. But once you get
up in their faith, you fight over the top of
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the screens, you scrounge, and you die for every loose ball,
they kind of lose their their their their mojo, you
know what I mean. I mean step last night was
none existent. I mean he was completely outshadowed by the
guard play even though um, even though Kyrie had an
offer and I until the fourth quarter when he was
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able to get to the free throw line, uh seven times.
I mean that defensive effort from the Celtics. I mean,
they're a real deal. Know they played with with and
what's what's also interesting is it's not like those guys
have been around for ten years playing together. You know.
They they added eleven new guys this year and even
Horford was added last year, so you know, I mean
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that's that's twelve new guys really, but they're all kind
of bought into the idea of of being physical, of
being tougher um and I like, look, it's gonna be
fascinat when they get Gordon, when they get Gordon Hayward back. Uh,
that's the type of team that could without. And I
don't know what you consider Kyrie, if he's a superstar
or just a star whatever. They I think they'll have
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enough offense to go along with their defense. And they
got the right and makeup to one which they're gonna
be right there for eight ten years because of that style.
And honestly, that's what you picked out about the physicality.
E that's the thing that people forget about but they
don't realize about Butler. Like everybody thinks about Shelvin Mack
and Gordon Hayward, but when you watch Butler play, they
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were kind of like Villanova. Now they were the most
physical team in the country and yet they look like
choir boys. Yeah, that's exactly right. And I'll tell you
what that Gordon Hayward injury was was horrific, but it
has galvanized that team. They were like they they heard
everybody say, oh, it's over. It's over for him now
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that Gordon Hayward is gone. And they were like, Okay,
let's show them you know what type of team this is,
what's or without Gordon and when he comes back, Good
Lord from Salami. You can check them out with with
Mike Hill five o'clock Eastern time every Sunday is they'll
recap every NFL game, including the ones they're still ongoing.
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It's great stuff and as you can tell, he can
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(43:10):
was on the Dan Patrick Show this morning. USC takes
on u c l A at the Coliseum on Saturday.
Those are two legit top five prospects, maybe even the
top two prospects potentially in the upcoming NFL Draft. So
Nate neither Rose Josh Rosen or Sam Donald. Our seniors,
take a listen to what Klatt had to say about Rosen.
(43:33):
Don't be shocked if Josh Rosen stays at U C
l A. You know, and Jim Wore are very close
and there may be an alliance being built where you know,
they're kind of making it a package steal where Jim stays,
Josh will stay as well, and as Jim goes, then
Josh will go. That's the uh, that's the Jimmy, that's
the Chitwood, right, you guys are familiar with the Chitwood.
(43:54):
Chitwood is from Hoosiers, where Jimmy Chitwood was the great
player in the small out of Hickory. He was not
on the team. Matter of fact, they had to finish
the game with four My team is on the floor,
and they had a town hall meaning to vote on
the coach's dismissal. After collecting the votes on the coach's dismissal,
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Jimmy Chipwood came in from outside and said he has
something to say, and he said, I think it's time
to start playing ball. Everybody went crazy. He said, then
there's only one hitch. Coach stays, I play, coach goes,
I go to which they immediately ordered a recount of
the votes, and the coach, of course stayed. Jimmy Chitwood
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played and Tiny Hickory, which was actually Mylan High School,
won the Indiana State championship. Running the picket fence. That's
what Josh Rosen is trying to do. I think, though,
that this isn't as much a reaction to Moura as
it is Rosen understanding that his stock is not what
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uh what it is what he perceived it to be.
I also find it relatively ironic that this is the
same Josh Rosen who came out and said it's impossible
to be a star quarterback and a student athlete at
the same time. He's also talked about athletes should some
of them shouldn't be in college, and they should be.
They should just get paid. And he said all these
(45:20):
things that, though in his own mind sounded really smart,
turned a lot of people off because either he's a
hypocrite or he's going along with the game plan that
he said he doesn't agree with. Look, Rosen knows what
the m O on Josh Rosen is for many scouts. Uh.
(45:43):
He's already had an armed problem going back to when
he played tennis. He had an armed problem. Last year
he had a surgical procedure done and though his arm
has never been the strongest, nor did drop off in
terms of weakness. That's not a good thing when you're
in your early twenties, then you have a concussion and
you've been wildly disappointing during your time in college football. Look,
I actually think it's a really smart thing to never
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say I'm absolutely going pro. What's the win in that?
Wait until the ball game is done. And when the
ball game is done, if they tell you you're gonna
be a top five pick, go Otherwise, there's no rush.
Refine yourself so that when you get to the NFL
you're ready to contribute right away because you're gonna get
thrown into the fire. And that's what the Fox says. Yeah,
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I mean, like, look, I think the way that clatt
word it was smart too. He's like, don't be surprised
if like it ain't crazy. But it's also important to
note that whatever anybody's talking about with the NFL draft
now doesn't really matter. It's what they're talking about with
the NFL draft in January. In January, because that's when
you got a real, real good sense of who's going
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and where they're valued and what the league thinks of
him and The truth is that rose In though his
stock maybe a little bit low because he's viewed as
a lubhouse lawyer and made out love football and doesn't
have a strong arm, and it it is a little bit
beaten up. The truth is that you everyone needs a
quarterback at the bottom of that draft, with the exception
obviously of San Francisco. And maybe that's what this is
partially real. I don't want to play in Cleveland. They
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need a quarterback. I don't play New York. They need
a quarterback? Um, and where's the good teams? Do seem
with the exception Jacksonville, do seem to have one? Those
top five picks don't
This is the best of the Dog Dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America? Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, comment to you from the City of Angels,
getting ready for what is sure to be an incredible
sports weekend. Aren't they all huh? And and like this
(00:23):
is kind of one of my favorite weeks of the year.
It really is, um and you're like, is it all
the time? No? No No, no, no, no, no hold on,
now college football, these games really matter Fox. Of course,
this big game this weekend is Wisconsin finally finally playing somebody.
Michigan heads into Camp Randall Stadium. You'll see that on
(00:44):
Big Fox. We will cover it. Stewart Mandel College Football
inside or join us later on the show. Plus you
got my picks five in college, five and probe and
killing it in college especially Harden the pros um And
then of course NFL games really starting to matter. We're
starting to figure out what the Cowboys are as I
don't have Zeke Elliott. We saw that two teams with
similar records are completely dissimilar last night in Pittsburgh. UM So,
(01:08):
NFL games starting to matter even more. Um NBA, we
had a prime time match up on Thursday night. Chris
Bruce Sard will join us in fifteen minutes. Get his
thoughts less here. My thoughts will go back and forth.
Plus we'll talk about Lonzo Ball, the disappointing start to
the root for the rookie l a Lakers second overall pick.
Got that to get to and uh and then of
(01:30):
course we got games Thursday, Thanksgiving games. You'll see the
Cowboys take on my bolts, the Chargers. You know, you
got four games on Thursday. You have college hoops all
spread out throughout the dial. So uh and I told
you Xavier was a lot better than Wisconsin last night
and that that played out as much we So maybe
I'll give you some college picks. We got ton to
get to. But uh, let's dive into the NFL, because
(01:52):
there's kind of two Um, they're not chips passing the night,
because they are correlating stories. Let's start with the Jamis Winston.
Then we'll get to the story about Jerry Jones and
the owners and the fact that Jerry Jones apparently, um
Roger Goodell thinks he saved Jerry Jones and Jerry Jones
thinks he made Roger Goodell and therein lies the rub
(02:16):
as to uh where I think the impetus of this
conflict between the two has arisen. But the real point
in the Jamis Winston story is kind of one of
the big issues in the Jerry Jones story. If you
had just if you missed the Jamis Winston story and
you look up, be like, why are they talking about
(02:37):
Jameis Winston. He's not playing this weekend, he hasn't had
a particularly good a year. What is it about Jamis Winston.
Jamis Winston, of course, was accused of of sexual assault
in college. Uh, he has now been accused of sexual
assault of a different variety. And like, look, if he
(02:59):
even if he did what he was he is alleged
to have done to this uber driver. Okay, I remember,
if he did what he's alleged to have done with
this uber driver, that does not, I think, in anybody's mind,
measure up to what he was alleged to have done.
But it was never charged with, nor was he found
(03:20):
guilty of entitled nine discussions or whatever it was at
Florida State. But that was far more graphic, far more troubling,
um then these allegations. Nonetheless, You're like dude, how unlucky
do you have to be? Uh too? For somebody to
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make what he deemed false accusations at Florida State and
what they're now deeming to be false like twice, but
they're they're very different in all fairness, But that none
of that matters because I don't know if that's how
much the truth comes out. I mean, like, look, part
(04:01):
of what I think bothered, part of what makes the
case for Jamis Winston against his first accuser, and I
don't know how many of you guys paid attention to it,
because what happens is we always assume guilt instead of
the other way around. Jamis was never charged with a crime.
Then they went Title nine was three times he was investigated,
never did did he was? He did? Was he found
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guilty of violating her Title nine rights at at Florida State.
So the Jamis actually sued his former accuser and the
reason he sued her and obviously nothing's coming out of it,
but the reason he sued was because her accusations did
(04:44):
irreparable harm to his image. And you know what, I
think he's got a point because I don't know if
he sat in the passenger seat and groped the Uber driver,
as she alleged took place in two thousand and sixteen
in Scottstow. I don't know. I wasn't there, she did,
(05:05):
reported immediately his Uber account was shut down. He he
and his agent attorneys like, there are a bunch of
there's other there's another person at least in that car,
she says. She said there was only one person in
the car. He said he wasn't even sitting in the
past in your seat. Um, no one disputes that somebody
on his account was riding in that car. But but
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the reason that this story becomes a lot more believable
is because the Florida State accusations. And I'm not talking
about what he said on campus at Florida State when
he repeated a popular meme. I'm saying because of because
of those allegations, you you think it's it's plausible, and
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and this is one of those you're innocent, nail, proven guilty,
and then even when you're considered innocent or never even charged,
you're still considered guilty. That makes sense. So not sitting here,
I mean like look that I do. I like the
image that or whatever character maybe Jamis Winston portrayed himself
as during Hard Knocks this year. I do, and I did,
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But I'm just a neutral bystander. I don't know what
happened at Florida State. I just know that how many
times can you be investigated and somebody not find you
wrong of of anything, have found any wrongdoing? Um to
which I think I can't. I can't hold that against you,
(06:31):
you know, like even in the court of law when
you've committed past crimes, oftentimes they can't use that that
is not admissible during a new trial. There was never
any trial, there was never any charges. So but it's
hard in your mind for it to be inadmissible. But
I do think you have to look at this as
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it's inadmissible that that makes that makes sense my I
think I'm making sense. But that's even not the point
that that I wanted to get into. I understand the
argument that the reason Title nine UM charges should be
brought on college campuses is because, for example example, what
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happened at Baylor or what happened with Jamis Winston. When
you have a powerful entity like the college football program,
which is responsible for millions, maybe hundreds of millions of
dollars flowing into university and flowing into university towns that
sometimes the belief is, sometimes the belief is that local
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police will uh sacrifice the kind of the sanctity and
credibility of what they do because they don't want to
derail the freight train that is college football. Like that's
the belief, right, Well, you know, he plays a great
college football players, so we'll look the other way. And
it has played out as such, and there have been
(07:57):
times in the past when it has played out like that.
But the Roger Goodell versus Jerry Jones thing reminds me
of college football, college athletics, and the Title nine cases thing.
Universities their charter has nothing to do, nothing to do
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with investigating crimes committed on or off campus that is not,
is not, should not, and cannot be under their purview.
There are professionals that do that. It is the local police,
or the state police, or the federal police, depending on
the jurisdiction of and the level of crime that is
alleged to have been committed. And if if those bodies
(08:45):
don't do their job, they are held accountable by the
court system and by the local and state and federal government.
But we've done this. Once we've allowed Title nine courts
to decide guilt or innocence. Once we've once we've set
that precedent. Now a sudden um schools are being forced
(09:09):
to have basically their own sub court system, separate completely
from the local court system. That's a mistake, just like
what's happened with Roger Goodell. This is a This is
a mistake. They should not be investigating domestic violence. It's
no different. We all went crazy because ray Rice only
(09:32):
got two games. Why don't we go crazy about ray
Rice only getting two games for punching Jine Rice and
knocking her out. We should have gone crazy that. The
fact was, they had video of him in the state
of New Jersey, and they gave him a pre trial
diversionary hearing. He got off with the community service. And
(09:54):
if you want to say, well, you know, NFL should
be held to a higher standard like that, that sounds great.
And maybe if they're found guilty of a crime, then
and only then should you be able to punish based
upon the findings of a corporate man. This is a
I mean, that's really what Jerry Jones should be going after.
(10:14):
The story out of Wall Street Journal is this Uh.
Jerry Jones apparently when he was building the Death Star
also known as Jerry's World War at and T Stadium. Uh,
they went so far over budget. He was running out
of money. And Roger Goodell was a deputy commissioner. He
was in the front offices in all the meetings, but
he was kind of that that wallflower. He's just kind
(10:35):
of silently working the room. And when Jones left the
room after asking for money from the League to finish
up the project, he got it done, and in turn,
he helped get it done that Roger Dell was a commissioner.
They worked hand in hand as kind of silent partners
in the other's lives. Goodell helped Jerry's Death Star get
(10:58):
built or completed, and Jerry helped Roger Goodell take the
seat of Paul Tagliaboo. And now when when Roger Goodell
was forced because of public opinion, public sentiment and president
to to investigate the alleged domestic abuse by Ezekiel Elliott
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and then punished because of of a sense in some
of the findings, Jerry Jones is like, dude, I made you.
It reminds me and like, look, I can tell I
think I can tell a Bill Bill Cosby Bill Cosby
joke without saying it's okay to be Bill Cosby considering
what he's alleged is that ronis is it okay to
(11:39):
credit Bill Cosby with with a line? Is that all right?
Or is it? Are we so negative towards Bill Cosby
because of what we learned? That's a hard one. But
Bill Cosby had a famous stand up um stand up.
It was a I think a cassette tape and it
was also a stand up special. It's called Bill Cosby
himself and Bill Cosby talked about uh uh, what what
(12:02):
he would tell his kids. I brought you in this world.
I'll take you out. I think. I think Actually he
said I got that from my father. I brought you
in this world, I'll take you out. And that's kind
of the feeling that Jerry Jones has for Roger Goodell.
I made you, and if I made you, I can
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end you. We've talked, we've talked for months since I
took over this show. The idea of having a rabbi
in the him, somebody who will bless your president, somebody
who believes in you. There is one issue with that,
because once you get that job. If you try and
do that job by letter of the law and you
don't play favorites even to the people that made you,
(12:46):
they will try and end you. But none of this
would I don't think we would ever get to this
place where Jerry Jones was going to the mattresses if
the NFL hadn't gotten into this. Let's decide, are Let's
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decide uh guilt or innocence of something which should be
investigated by the paid authorities to investigate guilt or innocence.
Just like college sports program college university shouldn't be shouldn't
be investigating Title nine violations. They just shouldn't. It's a
that's a bad idea, that is not the charter of
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the school. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon
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Let's react to last night's I would say it's it's
an upset right. The Boston Celtics down four with four
and a half to go, win by four against the
Golden State Warriors. They now have a fourteen game winning streaking,
the best record in the NBA. Chris Brussard joins us. Chris,
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what's your reaction to that game? Well, I think that Boston, Uh,
there are several things. One brass Stevens this phenomenal. He's
right up there now, was one as arguably the top
coach in the league. Certainly I go with Greg Popovich
because of his history, but Stevens is working wonders with
this team without his second best player in Gordon Hayward,
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a youngster, and Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown as well.
Uh so that's number one, number two. They play so
hard defensively. I mean Jalen Brown was getting after it.
He was guarding Kevin Durant. He's given up how many
inches to Kevin Durant was doing a good job on him,
and and it looked to me like Golden State. Look,
Golden State still the better team, They're still a heavy
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favorite to win it all. But when the going got tough,
I felt like Golden State was like, do we really
want to exert the energy that's gonna take to win
this game or you know, we're just gonna coast along
and see if we can pull it out, you know,
at at three quarter speed. And I think that was
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the difference. They kind of coasted. You saw they took
three three pointers at the end of the game, Uh,
instead of maybe driving to the basket, neither getting fouled
or making a layup or shot in the paint. Uh.
And Boston just wanted it more. But you gotta give
him a lot of credit. And I'll say this because
Golden State went through this where nobody believed in them
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in Steve Kurk's first year. And to be honest, even
after they won that championship the first year, they still
had a lot of doubters. Uh. Doc Rivers said they're
lucky they didn't play us in the playoffs. Memphis was
hurt in the playoffs. A lot of people were talking
that summer that they were one of the worst teams
ever to win the championship. And it was because Steph Curry.
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Nobody believed he was the number one guy on a
championship team. Nobody believed Clay Thompson was the number two
guy on the championship team, and no, Draymond Green was
the second round pick. And so they made people believe
rather than people giving them the benefits of the doubt.
Boston is in that process, nobody really believes. I still
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think Cleveland's coming out of the East, and most people
do as well. But they are making you believe, because
you're not gonna believe Kyrie Irving is the number one
guy on a championship team unless he makes you believe it.
Jalen Brown in his second year, Jason Tatum as a rookie.
Nobody's gonna believe those can be the three best players,
throwing out Horford of a championship contender and so right.
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At some point though, whether it's twenty straight victories, whether
it's a sixty three or sixty five win season, at
some point we're gonna have to say, you know what,
they really are a contender if they keep proving us wrong.
Stug got lip show Fox Sports trailer. That was a
long dissertation there from Christmas Shard. He had a lot.
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That's okay because I watched the game, and then I
watched the game with my son, and I was showing
him some of the things going on straight and then
I rewatched the game kind of from my own, from
my own kind of BASKETBA Very rarely do I get
a chance to kind of take a breath and really
watch one NBA game Um, I do think they play hard.
I thought they got a friendly home whistle. I don't
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even think Kyrie played all that well. He missed some
shots he normally makes, some some drives he normally makes,
and they still won the game. I'm a little bit
concerned about Golden State threefold. I don't think their bench
is great, um and some of those key pieces, like
in Andrea Goudala that they overpaid to keep, Like at
some point Andrea Goodala is going to age. And it
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was hard to tell if last night was a sign
because the game was so physical. He felt like he
got fouled a couple of times down the stretch and
he just kind of stopped playing. But I don't I
don't know if if he's gotten past that stage of okay,
he's no longer nearly as productive even in living in
minutes um. And I kind of feel like they're a
little selfish right now, Like Clay still third Wheel, shooting
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a little bit quicker even than he normally does because
he doesn't get it as much. The ball is still
is has always stopped more with Kevin Dury and he's
clearly the best player. And I thought Steph Curry was
not just off his game, taking out of his game.
But he didn't look particularly joyful. You know, the always
time we're playing joyful basketball. I know that last night
was about the Celtics, but I had a couple of
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negative takeaways from the Golden State Warriors, even though they've
played in the last three finals and one two of them. Yeah,
And I think that's why when we look at NBA history, Uh,
has there been a team I don't believe there's been
a team to get to fource straight find other than
those Celtics teams of Bill Russell back in the day.
But the Heat did right, The Heat did under Ron
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got the four straight, didn't win for certain year, got
the four straight. But my point is is very difficult
to maintain the sense of urgency, even to your point somewhat,
the sense of joy in the regular season, when you
know and everybody is critiquing you based on May and June.
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It is difficult. And I mean Sean Livingston was telling
me this the year after they won the championship that
we are greatest. Endemy is complacency and we have to
fight that off. So I I really think I think
every point you made was valid. I'm not concerned as
much about their bitch, you know, I think, I mean
a lot of people thought in the off season their
bench got better. I think Adria Goldolla has some great
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moments yesterday, but you said late in the game he
kind of got frustrated. But I just think that they're
going through complacency. I don't know if I should say boredom,
but it's not only is it kind of easy for
them on many nights, but it's just not what's the
It's not that big of an accomplishment to win this
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regular season game, and so I think that that's what
they're battling through more so than you know that they
really got some some chinks in their armor, so to speak.
That's the voice of Christopus Shard joining us. What's the
league saying about about a Lonzo Ball and his struggles?
I have not I know there have been some commentators
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who said they think he's gonna be a bus and
maybe there are some talent evaluators. Of the people I've
spoken to, no one has said he's gonna be a bus. Now.
I have been told he's gonna be good, not great.
I've been told he's going to be, you know, a
very a good starter. Um, he's not like if you
got a Big three. He's not one of those big
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three guys. Um. I've been told that slowdown on the
Jason Kidd comparisons because Kids was so much more aggressive
and obviously defensively was just light years ahead of war
lives of that right now. Um so what lines. Oh,
the thing that concerns a lot of people more than anything,
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even more than the jump shot, is the passivity. Uh.
And then there are those in you and I think
I've talked about this before. I have praised the fact
that he pushes the ball up with the past. You know,
if there's somebody ahead of him, he's not gonna dribble
it up, which takes longer. He's gonna push it up
to the guy ahead of him on the path. But
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some scouts and I agree after he does that almost
for no reason to a fault. His default, His default
is the hot potato of basketball. He gets. Yes, if
it's Brook Lopez at half court, he's gonna pass the
head to him, just because he's ahead of him. And
you have to pass the hand to a guy that
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can make a play or score otherwise dribble it up.
You're the point guard. You're the best decision maker, You're
the leader, and not something he's not doing. And to
be honest on him, most nights, he is just a
ball mover. That's it. And so he's got to learn.
There's a lot he has to learn, but I think
he's capable of learning it and this could be good
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for Look, I think what he's suffering for more rare
than anything, is the over the over scrutiny, if you will,
because of his dad, dearref. I is coming off the
bench for arguably the worst team in basketball. He's averaging
four assist the game. He shooting nineteen present from three.
Nobody's even thinking about the five JOHH Jackson. I watched
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him shooting an airball last night on a like a seventeen.
And he was supposed to be he was supposed to
be a culture changer. They'll play to night and staples.
He hadn't changed any culture. That team stinks. They already
fired their coach and their cultural disaster. Yeah, exactly. Nobody's
saying anything about it. So I think if if we
didn't know who LaVar Ball was, I don't think people
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would be criticizing and calling lines or a bus like
they are right now, Okay, what what about? I said
yesterday that I think the NBA in the off season
they need to find a way to tinker with the
rules so that you make it even easier for the
star big men prezingis Carl Anthony Towns and Joel Embiid.
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And while people are like, well, you tinker with the rules, like, look,
that's what they've done to allow Steph Curry to be successful,
to allow James Harden to be success. So you can't
touch those guys in the perimeter now like these guys
are and even DeMarcus Cousins to a lesser extent. These
guys all shoot threes, they all handle the basketball, but
they can also score some in the low post. I
think that, like, look, the future of the NBA is screaming,
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there's other talented players, but we got three, four or
five super talented, versatile big guys that are going to
be superstars over the next decade. I think the NBA
needs to find a way to to make them even
more prominent based upon how they call the game. I
just want to and that's this obviously was reality. I'll
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go ahead, I'll go ask you, what do you have
any ideas that something you might want to see. You
gotta cut down in the physicality. I think of in
the low post. In the low post, you gotta cut
you gotta cut down in the physicality. And um, you
know I I think they're doing a better job of
speeding up the game. Allah the FEBA type rules in
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terms of the shot clock resets it. I don't know.
I just like, look, I would be open to whatever
suggestings you can you can find in order to make
it easier for them to continue to get the b
because you know, like, look, uh, Anthony Davis, I think
kind of got caught in the middle there, um in
in trying to find offense for him and and now
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you have you have. I mean, those three young guys
can be superstars, and I think anyway you can create
an atmosphere to which they can be more successful will
only help grow your game, because um, because they're bigger
than lifestyle, like physically bigger than life, and their personalities
are big as well. I think they can be superstars,
but the NBA needs to help well. I think, especially
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in the case of Porzingis and Janie, they are becoming
they are excelling in the same things essentially that the
smaller players are excelling it, you know, like Janice, I
mean can't shoot, but because he's the ball handler, because
he can slash. You know, he's not killing people in
the post. Now, Porzingis goes in the post a little more,
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and Nbat of course is really good down there in
the post when he wants to be down there. Um.
I the best suggesting that I've heard this came from
our colleague Colin Cowherd, is that you run the three
point line, get rid of the corner three, and run
the three point line into the sideline like maybe at
the you know, around the half. So that would cut
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down on the number of three pointers taken, and I
think it would increase post play again and mid range game,
because I think the game is best when there's a
combination of all those things, when there's a combination of
three point shooting, mid range game, and post play, not
when it's kind of heavy toward one like when back
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in the day when it was just mostly throwing into
your post man, Yeah that you had that. Now you
got the over inflatence on the three point shot and
not much postplay. I think if you got rid of
the corner. Three teams couldn't just plant a bunch of
guys out on the three point line, and that would
necessitate more mid range and post games. So I think
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that would do it. That's really the best suggestion I've heard.
I think the league is years away from going to
that measure. But um, I don't want the game to
become all three pointers or shots in the paint because
mid range game is where you get a lot of
the best creativity and the best lose and things like that,
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and so I think that would be my concern. But
I think those three guys you mentioned, I think they're
gonna be superstars if you don't touch the game, because
look at what they're doing already. Great stuff, Chris. Do
you hear Christopers start weekends here on Fox Sports Radio.
See them on all of our TV shows as well.
CEB can't tell you how much I appreciate you, how
popping out with us yere on a Friday? All right, Doug,
(26:54):
anytime man. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
line up in the nation. Catch all of our shows
at Fox sports radio dot com and within the I
Heart Radio app. Are you expanding to markets that don't
waunt your product, this idea of they won't lengthen the season.
They haven't given to eighteen games, but putting more games
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on TV. Now it's on Thursday. Did you watch last night?
Are you going to continue to watch Thursday? And now
Saturdays will come up and Sundays and Mondays. You're like, oh,
that's a lot of football. Plus I watched Saturday college
football and occasionally Friday night college football. It's a lot.
NASCAR is dead. What happens to the NFL when Tom
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Brady retires? What if Aaron Rodgers says, you know, I
just gets hurt again, like good and you lose Peyton,
you lose Brady, you lose Drew Brees. In the next
couple of years, you're gonna use lose Ben Roethlisberger. So
I think it's do I think the NFL will survive?
I do, and I do think they're coming up with
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new quarterbacks. And but man Andrew lux hurt. Jamis Winston
now of a sudden being linked to this sexual misconduct
from an uber driver which he may or may not
have actually been the only one in the car. I
mean Marcus Mariotto, which we thought was as a sure deal.
You're like, He's okay. Derek carr Ah, the second coming
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is He's been the second coming this year and are
really kind of fascinating to see. I don't think the
NFL will follow the pitfalls of NASCAR, nor will there
be the limitations of NASCAR, but it is going to
But remember, uh, do you have the same problem with
guys worrying about instead worrying about dying. They're worrying about
being maimed, worried about their knees, their back, their hips,
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but also worried about the brains. Like there's some NASCAR
has died dead not to be resuscitated, and the NFL
should be very aware. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app from Salon. Bigie kind of to join
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us in studio here on the Doug Otlip Show, of course,
he is a two time Pro Bowl. Uh, two time
Pro bowler back in the time with the Texans in
thirteen years the Nashal Football League. Let's let's before we
get to last night. I wanted to ask you about
one of the stories of the week and that's the
Buffalo Bills. Sunday they said Tyrod Taylor's our quarterback. Monday,
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they said Tyrod Taylor's our quarterback. Tuesday they said Tyrod
Taylor our quarterback. Wednesday they said Nathan Peterman is our
starting quarterback. What would your reaction be in that locker
room as a vent um, I would I would be displeased.
Number one, the things that come out of locker rooms.
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Most guys in the locker room know they know what's
gonna happen before we do, you know, before you know, media,
before any of us do. So if this was something,
remember Monday Tuesday, those are relatively day off. You know,
you coming on Monday and you watched the film of
Sunday and tuesdays your day off, so you know, nothing
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really happened until Wednesday when people can report that, oh,
you know, Tyrod Taylor wasn't starting at at practice or
anything like that. You know, most of the times coaches
will actually grab you know, the team and be like, hey,
we're gonna you know, it's to explain the situation. This
is what we're gonna do. Um, you know, we gotta
change this up or whatever it is. But as a player,
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you know if I like Tyrode Taylor. So you know,
it's just a situation where the coaches are trying to
do something to spark something, to try to get some
type of you know, momentum gathered back because they've fallen
off the last couple of weeks. Man, big time, no question,
they've fallen off. Last night was a game of two
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teams with similar records, and yet I don't know anybody
who thought they were of similar levels. And the final
score would tell you as such. So what do you
make Let's are with the Steelers, what do we make
of how uneven some of their performances are? Like, how
do you go out Sunday and almost lose to the Colts,
get down seventeen? How do you get how do you
allow Cleveland was the start of the year, but so
many these other teams have gotten a game from the
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Pittsburgh Steelers and the Bears beat him. How do you
explain that? And then last night when they decided they
want to play in prime time, they're like, all right,
we're a lot better. How do you explain that? Uh,
it's hard to explain. But just given what they have,
they were, they've gone through and some of the things
that they've said, uh, throughout this year, Ben Roethlisberger honestly
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and openly admitting maybe he doesn't have it anymore. Them
not running the ball at the beginning of the season,
the tomorrow between you know, Ben and Antonio Brown and
Mike Tomlinson. You know, all of this resonates as a
team that's trying to recapture something that they're losing. Pittsburgh
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for the since I was in the league, there's always
been one of those teams you had to watch out for,
one of those dominant teams. You got a quarterback, all
Pro quarterback, Hall of Fame quarterback who was not quite
sure if he has what it takes, you know, to
to take the team to the super Bowl. Then you
you know, you change up the offensive philosophy, you start
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running the ball, and then you begin to regain some
of that success that you had. But the problem is
they're unsure, they're not locked in, they're not solidified. Some weekends.
The defense players great last night, I mean it was
then were tremendous, although Tennessee did help them out greatly.
But when you see teams like this, they're just trying
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to get it right. But you gotta remember Pittsburgh always
picks it up in in in November, December. They've always
been a team that can hone in when the weather
starts getting bad, you know, no matter what's happened at
the beginning of the year, they've always been a team,
you know, start winning into division and in going towards
the playoffs and hitting their stride. So they're dangerous. I mean,
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they're they're a dangerous team. And that's you know, that's
why we play the games every Sunday because you never know, man,
you never know. You absolutely never know from you have
to know. Yeah, that's not acceptable. You have to know
everything that's going on. You have to you have to
be no more than everybody else. From salom joining us
on the Doug Gottlive Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
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All right, let's get to the Dallas Cowboys. Um, they're
not gonna have Zeke he uh he took this suspension
and he's like, look, it's just legal stuff. Um. And
then you know they're probably not gonna have Tyron Smith.
And they're taking on the Eagle's team that has a
really good front seven. This after getting dominated by the
Atlanta Falcons front seven. What's the likelihood the Dallas can
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win this game without Tyron Smith was without Ezeki Elliott. Oh,
there's no shot. There's no shot. And the problem with Dallas,
and we saw it last week without Zeke is they
didn't get any other running back ready to go. Right,
you have this, this this suspension looming the entire season,
all off season. You don't give anybody any garry to
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get them acclimated to to to game shape and ready
to carry that load. So they put themselves in a
position where, okay, Zeke's going, we gotta throw somebody out there.
We throw Morris out there, and we'll see what's gonna happen.
And it's not working. Well. Now you lose your your
left your uh you're starting Pro Bowl left tackle. It's
just too many facets. The Dallas Cowboys aren't good unless
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they can run the ball. We've we've seen that. Well.
I don't care who's the quarterback, Tony Romo, Dak Prescott.
If they can't control the clock and control the down
the distance by running the ball, they're not good. And
to expect them to go and play up against a
hot Eagles team and and come away with the victory
with that type of uncertainty on the offensive line and
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in the backfield, I don't see it happening, all right,
So give me the honest assessment. How much of that
do we place blamingly place on Doc not being good enough?
How much of it, honestly, he's on the wide receivers
not being able to get open if you don't have
that extra guy in the box. I think it's a
combination of both. But I think what Dallas Cowboy did,
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and I've been on teams has done this before. You
have so much success in the previous year, right, so
they led the league in rushing. Ezekiel Elliott was tremendous,
So going into the next year, you just expect that
to happen. And when you lose a running back. We
lost Jamal Anderson I think the third game after he
had eighteen hundred and forty six yards. He was our
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only running back. He actually had more carries than anybody
in league history in the year that year, and once
he left, we had no other backup, so so it
didn't even matter what the receivers of the quarterback did.
We were so focused on running the ball and our
team was built around running the ball. That it didn't matter.
So now you're in a situation where you're trying to scramble.
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You don't have that same production out of you know,
you're running that corp. So now the down and distance
is long. But now first is not first, and five
is first and eight you know you maybe get a
stack or lose yards. Now it's third and long. So
your whole playbook changes, in in your whole trajectory of
your offense changes because you don't have that consistency and
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gaining those yards on first and second down. Evenm Salimar
guest on the Doug Gottlieb Show, he's a thirteen year
NFL that. You can hear him here on Fox Sports
Radio on the weekends. All Right, so, um, what about Philadelphia? Like,
we started talking about Pittsburgh and I could get I
could glean from your voice. You believe Pittsburgh is an
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honest challenger to the New England Patriots. Reasonable? What about Philadelphia?
Is this really a super Bowl caliber team? Yes? Yes
it is. When you look at this kid, Carson wentz Man,
I mean he was tremendous last year, started off with
the bang. You know, they had a lot of injuries,
so he fallsed a little bit, but the progression he's
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made from an already superb rookie year to a second
year has been tremendous. And what's happened is the team
has galvanized around him. They believe in him, right and
once we trust, they believe in him. And you can
tell when a team you look at the rams. This
is the same way with with Jared Golf. You can
tell when your quarterback position is as a leader on
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the team and the team offensively and defensively, they're all
in and they believe. You just have a different type
of swagger, as the kids say, uh today in a
different type of beliefs. So when they take the feel
they're doing things, even if they turn the ball over,
have a setback, everything is in the realm of possibility
in terms of winning because they believe in their floor
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general or their field general, which is Carson wins. David
Johnson joined joined US earlier this week. Uh, the injured
running back to the Arisona Cardinals. Uh. He was promoting
a ping pong tournament. All right, this is really important.
From Salam joining us, you can hear him five o'clock
Eastern time with Mike Hill on Fox Sports Radio every Sunday.
After I give you foosball, I give you pool, billiards, pool, whatever,
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I give you, ping pong and darts one through four?
Which are you most and which are you are you
least skilled at? I would say least skilled at foosball,
So foosball these five, bing pong, ping pong will be
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four three, ye three. I'm the best at darts and
then pool the pool will be second. That's reasonable. I'm
a reasonable I'm a maniac at darts. I'm the part
of it is you have long arms. So I figured
I feel like, here we go, here we go. Look,
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these are my gifts. You're six ft six ft thirteam
with long You wouldn't be a pro bowl left tackle
unless you had incredibly long arms, right, you gotta have
incredible long arms and good hands, and so I I
picture like everybody draws a line, you're like, oh, that's cool.
And then you're because of your size and length, you're
reaching halfway to the dark board. You might as well
just be placing it on the dart board. Hey man,
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we all have our gifts. Man, I can't say I
can't give them my gifts. Bank you are gifted you
let me let me ask you? Can I ask you something?
I know? We always talk about football and all that.
Do you see that Celtics uh uh go to state
game last night? I did. I watched. I watched the
entire game. Watched actually twice. I watched it one time
with my son that I watched it back on d
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v R. What do you think about that? That was amazing? Right,
it was a great game. I look. I thought the
Celtics were a little bit more physical, a little bit
more aggressive. I thought they got some home calls, like
Kyrie got some star calls, which, um, which was kind
of surprising that Golden State didn't get some of those
star calls. I did think gold States a little selfish,
like like for a team that preaches, you know, playing
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having a great time and having joy when they're playing,
like it didn't feel like Steph was having fun with
Marcus Smart guarding him. And I thought the ball got
a little sticky, especially with k d And and Clay
Clay Thompson. But it is impressive what Jalen Brown being
this good this early in his career and then apparently
his best friend dying, his best friend growing up died yesterday, Um,
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he was. He was amazing. And yeah, I mean like
their ability to find ways to win games, the culture
of winning that they've read there is amazing. Watching that game,
I'm looking and I'm saying Golden State doesn't like when
you're physical with him. They don't like that at all.
I mean, they like to come off those screens and
and and freely shoot those threes. But once you get
up in their faith, you fight over the top of
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the screens, you scrounge, and you die for every loose ball,
they kind of lose their their their their mojo, you
know what I mean. I mean step last night was
none existent. I mean he was completely outshadowed by the
guard play even though um, even though Kyrie had an
offer and I until the fourth quarter when he was
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able to get to the free throw line, uh seven times.
I mean that defensive effort from the Celtics. I mean,
they're a real deal. Know they played with with and
what's what's also interesting is it's not like those guys
have been around for ten years playing together. You know.
They they added eleven new guys this year and even
Horford was added last year, so you know, I mean
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that's that's twelve new guys really, but they're all kind
of bought into the idea of of being physical, of
being tougher um and I like, look, it's gonna be
fascinat when they get Gordon, when they get Gordon Hayward back. Uh,
that's the type of team that could without. And I
don't know what you consider Kyrie, if he's a superstar
or just a star whatever. They I think they'll have
(41:45):
enough offense to go along with their defense. And they
got the right and makeup to one which they're gonna
be right there for eight ten years because of that style.
And honestly, that's what you picked out about the physicality.
E that's the thing that people forget about but they
don't realize about Butler. Like everybody thinks about Shelvin Mack
and Gordon Hayward, but when you watch Butler play, they
(42:07):
were kind of like Villanova. Now they were the most
physical team in the country and yet they look like
choir boys. Yeah, that's exactly right. And I'll tell you
what that Gordon Hayward injury was was horrific, but it
has galvanized that team. They were like they they heard
everybody say, oh, it's over. It's over for him now
(42:27):
that Gordon Hayward is gone. And they were like, Okay,
let's show them you know what type of team this is,
what's or without Gordon and when he comes back, Good
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(42:47):
It's great stuff and as you can tell, he can
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lead college football italists for Fox Sports and Fox Sports One,
(43:10):
was on the Dan Patrick Show this morning. USC takes
on u c l A at the Coliseum on Saturday.
Those are two legit top five prospects, maybe even the
top two prospects potentially in the upcoming NFL Draft. So
Nate neither Rose Josh Rosen or Sam Donald. Our seniors,
take a listen to what Klatt had to say about Rosen.
(43:33):
Don't be shocked if Josh Rosen stays at U C
l A. You know, and Jim Wore are very close
and there may be an alliance being built where you know,
they're kind of making it a package steal where Jim stays,
Josh will stay as well, and as Jim goes, then
Josh will go. That's the uh, that's the Jimmy, that's
the Chitwood, right, you guys are familiar with the Chitwood.
(43:54):
Chitwood is from Hoosiers, where Jimmy Chitwood was the great
player in the small out of Hickory. He was not
on the team. Matter of fact, they had to finish
the game with four My team is on the floor,
and they had a town hall meaning to vote on
the coach's dismissal. After collecting the votes on the coach's dismissal,
(44:15):
Jimmy Chipwood came in from outside and said he has
something to say, and he said, I think it's time
to start playing ball. Everybody went crazy. He said, then
there's only one hitch. Coach stays, I play, coach goes,
I go to which they immediately ordered a recount of
the votes, and the coach, of course stayed. Jimmy Chitwood
(44:37):
played and Tiny Hickory, which was actually Mylan High School,
won the Indiana State championship. Running the picket fence. That's
what Josh Rosen is trying to do. I think, though,
that this isn't as much a reaction to Moura as
it is Rosen understanding that his stock is not what
(45:00):
uh what it is what he perceived it to be.
I also find it relatively ironic that this is the
same Josh Rosen who came out and said it's impossible
to be a star quarterback and a student athlete at
the same time. He's also talked about athletes should some
of them shouldn't be in college, and they should be.
They should just get paid. And he said all these
(45:20):
things that, though in his own mind sounded really smart,
turned a lot of people off because either he's a
hypocrite or he's going along with the game plan that
he said he doesn't agree with. Look, Rosen knows what
the m O on Josh Rosen is for many scouts. Uh.
(45:43):
He's already had an armed problem going back to when
he played tennis. He had an armed problem. Last year
he had a surgical procedure done and though his arm
has never been the strongest, nor did drop off in
terms of weakness. That's not a good thing when you're
in your early twenties, then you have a concussion and
you've been wildly disappointing during your time in college football. Look,
I actually think it's a really smart thing to never
(46:05):
say I'm absolutely going pro. What's the win in that?
Wait until the ball game is done. And when the
ball game is done, if they tell you you're gonna
be a top five pick, go Otherwise, there's no rush.
Refine yourself so that when you get to the NFL
you're ready to contribute right away because you're gonna get
thrown into the fire. And that's what the Fox says. Yeah,
(46:30):
I mean, like, look, I think the way that clatt
word it was smart too. He's like, don't be surprised
if like it ain't crazy. But it's also important to
note that whatever anybody's talking about with the NFL draft
now doesn't really matter. It's what they're talking about with
the NFL draft in January. In January, because that's when
you got a real, real good sense of who's going
(46:52):
and where they're valued and what the league thinks of
him and The truth is that rose In though his
stock maybe a little bit low because he's viewed as
a lubhouse lawyer and made out love football and doesn't
have a strong arm, and it it is a little bit
beaten up. The truth is that you everyone needs a
quarterback at the bottom of that draft, with the exception
obviously of San Francisco. And maybe that's what this is
partially real. I don't want to play in Cleveland. They
(47:12):
need a quarterback. I don't play New York. They need
a quarterback? Um, and where's the good teams? Do seem
with the exception Jacksonville, do seem to have one? Those
top five picks don't
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