July 18, 2018 • 49 mins
Doug reacts to the big NBA news that the Spurs traded Kawhi Leonard to the Raptors in exchange for DeMar DeRozan and why this is about different teams on different timelines. He also explains why there is no loyalty in sports, especially the NBA. NFL columnist for NBC Sports Peter King joins the show to talk about Le'Veon Bell not getting a long term contract from the Steelers.
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This is the best of the Doug gott Leap Show
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Angels where uh it was thunder outside. Thunder and lightning.
Two things you do not thunder, lightning and bugs. We
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don't have those in southern California. Kind of odd, you know.
We also don't have in southern California. Kawai Leonard not yet,
at least Kawhi Leonard is now a member of the
Toronto Raptors. Will get to that in a moment. I
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New head coach of Arkansas Chad Morris, former offensive coordinator
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type offense. We'll talk to Chad Morris about the challenges
of coaching in Fayetteville later on the show. Peter King,
Bob Nightingale, Chris mannix Man, Cindy Katz, who books the
show along with Ryan Music. Outstanding job. All right, so
it has become official. This is not like the man
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Ni Machado trade, which I don't really understand why baseball
had waited so long. In an effort last night to
be respectful of the game, let's not talking about the
Mani Machadow trade. It takes away from the game. You
actually took away from the game by not talking about
the Mani Machadow trade. Right, Just announce it before the game.
Get it done with hey at the end of the game,
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he's switching over to the National League, and then we
move on and we play. That's not what's taken place
with the Spurs and the Raptors who late into the night,
early in the morning consummated a trade. Here's great. We
talked often over the summer about a lot of different things,
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both on and off the court. You know, attempts were made,
you know, to see what would be best, and in
the end this trade appeared and we felt that this,
this was the way to go. That's all ridiculous. Coui
was a great teammate all the way through. He did
his work. He was no problem for anybody. You know,
talking heads out there have to have stories, and I
get it, you know, all those stories that denigrated him
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in the in that regard, that was unfortunate and there alright,
so Greg pop Fitch very much taking the high road.
He went on to say that he thought both teams
are gonna end up the better because of it. He's
excited for Kawhi Leonard, He's equally excited for their own
All Star and Damar de Rosen. I will tell you this,
Demard Rosen is a hell of a player. He's a
hell of a player. Is he a great three point shooter? No?
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Is he a great defender? No? That dude can go
get buckets he can score and last time I checked,
I'm not sure I know we use analytics. Last time
I checked, they give championship trophies and they give victories
to the team that scores more points than the other team.
That's that's unless they've changed the rules since then. So
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derosen on some levels as being undervalued because he sucked
in the playoffs against the Calves. As I tweeted out
earlier today, the truth is that both of these players
had they had the exact same amount of impact on
their playoff runs, even though coilan And obviously didn't play
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in the playoffs. This tongue planted friendly in chief. So
what do we make of this? Some of it's about timelines, right,
What the Spurs have been great about great is about
extending their timeline as long as possible. Hey, you know what,
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let's just be as good as we can as long
as we can. And what many other NBA teams do
is they try and find the timeline that fits perfectly
with when they feel like they can be successful. Let's
take the Lakers for example. The Lakers know that Lebron
had didn't win a title his first year in Miami,
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didn't win a title his first year back in Cleveland,
and the likelihood, the very strong likelihood, is they're not
gonna win a title this year in l A. Why
move mountains and trade away so many of your young
assets when the Warriors are still the best team and
next offseason is a huge one for the Warriors. Clay
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Thompson's up, Kevin Durant's up, Uh, Boogie Cousins is up,
Draymond Green is up. Like that, next off season is
huge for the Warriors. Huge next year. This year, there
were some fissures this year, they could be had this year.
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Next year, it feels like the Warriors are probably the
best team. So just like the the old war analogy,
you know, why are we gonna line up and try
and beat the British Army force on force? They're better
that way, But when we can outflank them, now we
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can beat them, right Guerilla tactics if you will. All
they're doing in l A. Is saying, hey, we might
not get you this year, but we're going to continue
to institute our culture. We brought in a star who's
gonna to help show our younger players what it's gonna
take to take that next step and then next year
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we'll add a piece or two pieces, much like in
Miami as they added Ray Allen as they went along
to two titles. Then you take Toronto. The timeline is different.
In Toronto, it's just different. Do you know why Ding
Dong the witch is dead? The Calves are done. The
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Calves were their nemesis. Rival means you're competitive with them.
Nemesis means they got something on you. They could never
beat the Calves. And guess what that's over. And so
now if you're Toronto, yeah, you can worry about whether
you're not going to sign Kwai Leonard. And sure the
Paul George thing gives you a little bit more hope,
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but how go for it. You had the best record
last year. And if you're simply subbing out DeMar de
Rosen for Kauahi Leonard, Kawhi Letter is a better player
than DeMar de Rosen. I like Demardar Rose and I
think he's being undersold in this deal. But Kwiteler is better.
The former Defensive Player of the Year, he's an NBA
Finals m v P. By my estimation, he's the third
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best player in the league. He's versatile. We can score
three levels you can defend, and he can essentially defend
all five positions, and so yeah, you might not have
him next year, but you might not have an opportunity
like this next year. It feels like the Celtics are ready,
but they have not taken that next step. They still
gotta figure out how do we do with Kaua, with
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Kyrie and with Gordon Hayward and with Tatum. They still
gotta play together. They still and played together. Yet those
guys played together for all of two minutes. This year,
the Raptors bring essentially everybody back and then they subout
DeMar DeRos and for Kawhi Leonard. After winning fifty nine
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games last season, their timeline is different. They want to
get to the finals. They want to be the team
in the East. There um clock is all right, like
Merissa Tomay and was it was it my cousin Vinny right,
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It's all about timelines. Boston didn't make some dramatic move
trading way a ton of pieces last year until they
got a chance at Kyrie Irving. And when they traded
for Kyrie Irving, they said, he fits into our timeline.
Gordon Hayward when he's signed there, he fits into our timeline.
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They're both. They're all in there in their late twenties
because they know once you get to that prime, that
twenties six to thirty two, you get as many dudes
at the top of their game at that level, multiple forwards,
interchangeable pieces, you've got a chance to win the whole thing.
And now Lebron's gone from the East and the Celtics like,
now's our time. So are the Rafts. It's about timeline,
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whereas the Spurs are, hey, let's just stay as good
as we can as long as we can, and the
Lakers know we're a year away. The Raptors are doing
what the Celtics did last summer. Get a regular season record,
get a great regular season record, come up short in
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the playoffs. Instead of sitting on their accolades, they recognize
that they're not good enough, so you go out and
you try and get the home run deal. What's different
than that. In Boston they went to the Eastern Conference Finals.
They had an m VP candidate, granted he was hurt,
and they're like, look, we can stand pat, or we
can go for it, and oh yeah, by the way,
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the Warriors did the same thing the year before with
durand we completely Misremember the Warriors, Oh, they won seventy
three games, did they win a title? Well, they had
a three games to one lead. They were also down
three games to one to the Thunder. This idea that
that the Thunder with the Warriors were the greatest team
we've ever seen because they won seventy three games. Dude,
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they went for when other teams were tanking. They're really good.
But they realized that Harrison Barnes had a ceiling and
so they said, look, we like Harrison Barnes, We love
Kevin Durad. The Boston Celtics said, we like Isaiah Thomas,
we like all these guys. Remember the Boston Celtics made
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eleven eleven player personnel change last year. They had eleven
new players eleven coming off the Eastern Conference Finals. Because
they sat there and go like, these guys aren't good enough.
We got as much as we can out of that.
Let's get better. And the Raptors said, like, look, we
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got a BAKA for a couple more of years. Don't
love that contract, but got up. We got lowry for
a couple of years. It's a lot of money. We
don't love that contract. Buddy's prett damn good. We got
you know, you kind of go through. We got Valancunas
for two more years. All right, what what's it gonna
take to get Kawhi Leonard? You're gonna have to give
up your Parennio All Star. I get it, I understand it.
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I like it. Now, does that mean Kauai is not
coming to l A? Comparing Kawhi Leonard to Paul George's
comparing me to Paul George. We're just all wired differently.
Way is different sort of dude, don't I don't think
he sits out because you can't sit out two straight
years of basketball. That's not happening. So I kind of
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understand both sides to it. And I still think the
Kwai Leonard ends up in l A regardless of you know, obviously,
barring you win a championship and NBA guys love Toronto.
Who wouldn't International city. It's cold, Yeah, you're indoors and
you're playing hoop and when you're driving to and from.
But here's the guy who said he wants in l A.
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And I told you at the time, I told you
when the Paul George thing happened, or actually before the
Paul George thing happened. Paul George stays, it's gonna energize
people to go after guys that don't want to be
in a home. That's what I don't remember. At first,
Kevin Garnett did not want to be in Boston. You
guys remember that. When Kevin Garnette was traded to Boston,
was like, well, you don't want to be there. It's
a racist city. No, that's not a racist city. There's
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racist in the city. There was racist in apparently all
kinds of cities. And then suddenly he got to boss.
He's like, this place is awesome because they were winning,
and the same thing would happen potentially with Paul George.
Although I will point this out. I follow Russell Westbrook
on Instagram and I noticed that they were best friends.
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And then he signed a contract, and Russell Westbrook continues
to gallivantin around the globe and suddenly now all his
brodies are not named Paul George. It's great recruiter. Be
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not show friends. Right, You've heard that before. That's what
NBA players are learning. DEMARDA. Rosen on his Instagram stories says,
uh be told one thing in the outcome another can
trust him. Ain't no loyalty in this game. Sell you
out quick for a little bit of nothing. Soon you'll understand.
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Don't disturb. And of course this is all leading up
to Adrian Warsnowski breaking the story that Demard Rosen was traded.
This is a week after Demard Rosen apparently was called
in in front of the brain trust in Las Vegas
at the Summer League and told he wouldn't be traded.
Remember de rozen, many people thought wanted to end up
in l A last offseason, but some believe out of loyalty,
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that's why he stayed up. That's why he stayed in.
Uh in Toronto. Isaiah Thomas, with his verified account said,
just learn from my story. Loyalty is just a word
in this game. Look, Isaiah Thomas, Dude, you had a
debilitating hip injury. You weren't as good and so they
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got rid of you. And the league tells you what
your value is. And the league has said when year
two million dollars was Isaiah Thomas. He lost a lot
of money. You had a right to be angry and upset. Um.
But like, here's the thing about loyalty is we're told
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players are gonna sit there and tell you like teams
aren't loyal. It's a business. Our players not pay attention
to how they have acted. Let me take it to
Oklahoma City and look, I'm gonna tell you right now,
I completely understand from a basketball perspective why Kevin to
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Rant left Oklahoma City and went to Golden State. Watched
the last two NBA Finals, watched the series with the
Warriors when he was with Oklahoma City in the last
couple of games, and you'll understand why they were playing
two on five or three on five when he was
in Oklahoma City, and so his true talent couldn't come out,
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couldn't come out. He didn't just want to try something different.
He wanted to try something to where his talent could
be shined or shown. I'm really sure. I I think
it's shown, but I also say dove, people say it's dived.
I don't know, could be shown on the brightest stage,
and it has in the last two NBA Finals, he's
matched up with Lebron James. Not only is his team won,
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but he's been a word the m v P. You
can't make a better statement about why he did what
he did. But let me take it to Oklahoma City.
They were so loyal to him in Oklahoma City that
even when he sucked in the playoffs against the Memphis Grizzlies.
Do you guys remember that. Remember when he was bad
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against Memphis in the first couple of games and the
Oklahoma which is the big newspaper in the state of
Oklahoma out of Oklahoma City, the Oklahoma had a headline
that said Mr. Unreliable that the newspaper was forced to
apologize for a headline that was accurate. Being normally reliable,
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Kevin Durant was suddenly unreliable against the Memphis Grizzlies in
the playoffs, and when they wrote a headline of such
as a newspaper, the team was like, dude, shut it
down or no access. There has been no more loyal
organization to their players than the Oklahoma City Thunder and
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wanted to get them Kevin Durant's playing in Golden State.
The Miami Heat were completely loyal. Or let's start with
the Cleveland Cavaliers were loyal to Lebron James the first
time around. And you can criticize Dan Gilbert for his
letter all you want, but remember he went out and
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got shocked and Antoine Jamison and anybody he could want
to compete. And they even fired their coach Mike Brown
after he won sixty one games in the regular season.
Why out of loyalty for Lebron James, How was that rewarded?
He went to Miami. When he's in Miami, they went
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to four finals in four years, They moved mountains, They
re signed Chris Bosh to a ridiculous deal. Why because
Lebron wanted Chris Bosh. How is that rewarded? How was
that rewarded? Went back to Cleveland. He goes to Cleveland,
they go into luxury tax, They spend more money than
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anybody in the sport, even though Lebron criticizes them openly
for not spending enough money, which is simply not the truth.
How is that reward He's in l A. So look,
NBA players, you can get mad at all you want
over NBA teams not showing loyalty, not being honest, but
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all of the players have been getting together, predetermining where
they're gonna go in free agency, in spite of the
fact that other teams now on the drafted them, laid
out money for them, offered them a huge contracts, trying
to make them as comfortable as possible, trying to get
their boys around. Hell, the Cleveland Cavaliers like Rich Paul,
you can wrap all these guys. You guys can be
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around the organization. How did that work out for Lebron James?
They keeping this time around? No, you know why? Because
players aren't loyal either. This is Demartin Rose and Isaiah
Thomas being mad at NBA teams. Not being loyal is
like the guy who cheats on his wife ten times,
over comes home. She's in bed with the with the
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with the FedEx boy FedEx man, Like, I cannot believe
you did this? What is Fox Sports Radio has the
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NBC Sports Um and he joins us on the Doug
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Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Man, there are so
many things I'd like to get to with you. Peter.
Let's let's start with Brandon Cooks re signing a long
term deal with the Rams, which we all knew. That's
why the Patriots um decided to part ways with Inside
to trade him was they didn't want to resign him
to a long term deal. What do you think that
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the actual numbers, I think it's twenty million dollars actually guaranteed.
What does that do to the Aaron Donald's of the
world who want a new contract? Well, OK, I think
it's both Aaron Donald and Todd Gurley obviously, UH are
looking at this contract very carefully. The compare us in
here quite honestly, because Donald is going to make more
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than than Brandon Cooks, and my guess is that Gurley
would make about the same. But you know so, I
doubt anybody in Aaron Donald's camp is doing anything other
than just thinking, hey, just pay us. Uh. But this
contract makes sense to the Rams for a very simple
reason because, Uh, in the off season, Sammy Watkins, a
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much less accomplished receiver, blew than Brandon Cooks, blew up
the receiver market by getting sixteen million a year in
Kansas City. I think the Rams were fortunate to get
Brandon Cooks for sixteen million dollars a year for five years,
and so you know they'll get him probably through almost
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his entire prime And uh so I think at that
level of money and approximately about seven percent of the
salary cap on average, good deal for the Rams. Yeah,
I I it is interesting on how the Sammy Watkins
thing changed the wide receiver market. Can you explain that
one to me? I mean, like, look, Andy Reid's won
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a lot of football games, but Sammy Watkins was the
fourth best wide receiver with the Rams last year he
struggled to be healthy. Like, how how are we resetting
the market based upon Sammy Watkins? That one feels like
an odd one to me. Well, Andy Reid is also
the one, uh and the Chiefs who overpaid Jeremy Macklin.
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So uh five years fifty five million about whatever it
was four years ago. Uh So, look, I mean Andy
Reid wanted a speed receiver to pair with Tyree Hill
because he has a young quarterback who's got a bread
five type arm in Pat Mahomes. And I think he
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believes that if I get these two eyes on the
flanks of my on either flag of my offense, nobody's
gonna be able to stop us. And I would say
he's right to some degree, Doug. But the thing that
bothers me about with Watkins and his health, Davie Watson
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is simply not been healthy enough from a long enough
period of all. I still wonder whether the foot problems
that he had during his career have gone away. So
that's why I don't I didn't like this sighting at all.
I thought they would lean Bell is going to play
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in the franchise tag. There was one report today that
said there's only ten million in guarantees. Last year's reportedly
offered thirty million dollars in guarantees. Uh, how far apart
are you told? And you know that Levian was with
the Steelers with this long term deal. I don't think
the Steelers, I mean, I think they were fairly far apart.
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I don't think I think the Steelers would love to
assigned uh Leman Bell long term, but it was going
to have to be at their number and at their guarantee.
And so it doesn't sound like to me they were
ever really that close. You know, you have to ask
yourself this question, Doug. You know I had a in
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my first column at NBC on Monday. UM, I had
a chunk in there about you know, basically centered around
to Marco Murray's retirement, and I said, look, in the
last ten years, uh, Adrian Peterson won three rushing titles
and seven other backs also one rushing title, seven different backs.
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The average drafts alot of those seven backs was number
seventy nine overall. I mean Leosy Kareem Hunt last year
won the rushing title eighties six overall pick last year
as a rookie. Uh. And so I just think teams
are viewing running backs more is interchangeable pieces who you
could win with. You you know, win with different guys,
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And it's probably not the smartest idea to go paying
guys until they're thirty years old at a at a
huge trade. It's what I go back to two. I
think it was two thousand five, maybe two thousand six,
Sean Alexander was paid huge money by the Sea Hawks.
The second year. It just it wasn't a contract, wasn't
worth it anymore. I love lebian Bill. I think he's
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one of the best three backs in football. But the
fact is that teams have won and one big without
the franchise running back Peter King from NBC Sports joins
us in the Doug Gottlieb Show. Um, Aaron Rodgers is
a really really smart guy. And you know the the
the the piece you wrote on him, talked about how
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now is he look happy but he is happy, but
he wants a different sort of contract. What exactly does
that mean? What does that entail? Decipher Aaron Rodgers lingo
for me to explain? I wish I could. I'm going
to read the tea leaves on Aaron Rodgers because he
didn't tell me what he wanted to do. He I
I was the one who said to him, it makes
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most sense to link your contract to the increases of
the salary cap, perhaps the increases of what quarterbacks are paid.
That is what that makes what makes the most sense
to me, Doug, Because think about it. You know, Matt
Ryan now is the king of the Hill of thirty
million year. Kirk Cousins is number two a million. They've
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both done those deals, you know, in the last few months.
So let's say Aaron Rodgers hop scotches them and sign
six years average I don't know, let's say thirty two,
thirty three million a year that's the logical next step. Well,
you know, and I know that it doesn't matter how
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good or whether anybody is actually in Aaron Rodgers league.
The next quarterback to have the hammer is going to say,
Aaron Rodgers making thirty three, I want thirty four. And
that's the way the quarterback contact business works, in my opinion,
eighteen months after Aaron, if Aaron Rodgers signs for let's
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say thirty three million years, six or seven guys are
going to pass him. And I think he believes in
his agent, David Dunn, believe that it makes no sense
for me to play that game. You're a Hall of
Fame voter, give me your sense of all of this
stuff going on with t O and the Pro Football
Hall of Fame's reaction to t OH. I've said all
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along that if Tar doesn't want to go, uh, that's
that's the way life goes. And who kids. I think
he's making a mistake, but whatever, his life. But I
think the empty hall of things all by basically kinde
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of going to him and saying essentially that you know,
we're not gonna we're there, we gonna acknowledge it with
the whole thing. Anybody Tree them same way as every
other person who gets in the Hall of Fame. I
understanding why they're doing it. I don't particularly agree with it, Doug.
I think the larger maybe not the larger issue, but
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you know this this thing if indeed, and I guess
it is the reason that to is doing this because
he you know, he got he got guilt at his
first couple of years of eligibility. You realize that the
Hall of Famous over three hundred people in it, and
one third of those uh those enshrined, one third uh
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have been enshrined in their first year. And so I
kind of looked at this and I say, so, are
you telling the guys the sixties seven per cent of
the guys who went in in their second year, their
eighth year, they're fourteenth year. Are you telling me that
their bus are any different or their membership there in
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Shrineman and the Pro Football Hall of Fame is really
any different then the guys who got in the first year.
I think it's ludicrous. Nobody walks in the Hall of
Fame and looks at the bus and says, you know what,
ron Yerry, he got in and whatever is fourteenth of
his game year? Hey, you know, he's not as great
a Hall of Famer as a guy whoever. You know
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ray Lewis, He's just it's silly. And uh, I don't
look at that way in baseball. I don't look at
that way in any sport. If you're in the Hall
of Fame, you're one of the all time grades. No, look,
I mean, and he's like and and wide receiver. There's
always been a backup at wide receiver anyway, right, It's
really the Hall has struggled to evolve. But the t
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O saying he's doing it for others is it's just laughable.
It really is. Um you know, like Marvin Harrison didn't
get into mathematics. Make it impossible to put everybody in
in the first year who you might think or I
might think, belongs. It's impossible. Every year I walk into
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that room, there's fifteen modern era finalists. Every year I
walk in the room and I look at the list
and I vote for ten or eleven of them that
day right there. But I don't have that luxury. I
get to vote for five or we get to we
get to vote for five max. So if some guy
doesn't get in, it does not mean we don't think
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he's all of famer. It just means that it's a
numbers game and you've got to put in the guys
who you think are most deserving. You can't put in
the guys who just think who are all deserving. Let
me ask you about your conversation with Ben McAdoo. You're
the first guy to get Ben McAdoo on record to
talk about what went wrong with the Giants. He was
brought in to kind of elongate and save Eli Manning's career,
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and then he got elevated to being a head coach.
He said it was his bedside manner that that undid
him with the move to and they end up benching
Eli Manning. But it wasn't you know, like everybody signed
off on the deal. They weren't even gonna bench Eli Manning.
How has Eli Manning remained kind of above reproach with
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all this stuff. I think that's one of the most
interesting things. I mean, Eli Manning is is is like
is like he's a godlike figure in New York. And look,
I wrote this last year when this happened, Ben McAdoo
was the only adult in the room. Everybody else just
at three and nine or whatever they were out of
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the playoff race. Everybody else just wanted to keep going
and hey, play your guys and try to win every
game the same What good does that do you when
you've got Davis Webb, who's who you want to see times? Uh,
you know, before the end of the year, everybody has said, well,
wait a second, why then did Ben mcadoopa Gino Smith?
And very simple reason. Davis Webb had not taken a
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snap all the year with the first unit offense. He
wanted to give him the best possible chance. So Davis
Webb was going to play a little bit, probably in
the Second League and maybe all of your last two
or three weeks. And so look, you know, the fact
is that Giants got spooked by the reaction. They had
no idea that it was going to become the biggest
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cause celeb in years in New York sports. I was
shocked at it. But the fact is Ben McAdoo at
the time made the right decision. It just wasn't presented
to the public well enough. And uh lose the job
because of it, right, I Mean, that's that's really kind
of what comes did. He did, But he would have
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lost his job anyway. I think by the end of
the year. But but be that as it may. I
think Ben mca do in his comments to me, it
was very uh very evident that uh he would do
the same thing over again, and good for him, he
should do the same thing over again. Go to Pro
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What was your reaction to the Kaie deal? I absolutely
loved it for Toronto. I mean, I thought this was
exactly what a team like that needed to do. Toronto
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is the two thousand eight version of Oklahoma City, a
team in a bit of a predicament that needed to
take a big risk. I mean, look, this Raptor team
dug before this deal was not winning anything. I mean, yes,
Lebron's out of the East, but there's still i believe,
a notch below Boston, and they didn't have a lot
of wiggle room to get better their bench. Those young
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guys O Giata, Nobi, Fred Van Bleep, Yeah, maybe they
can improve, but the core guys, the starters, they weren't
going to get better. In fact, in the case of
Ibaka Kyle Lowry, they might even get a tick worse
next years. Think they're out of the East, they would
be fodder for whoever comes out of the Western Conference.
That's number one, number two, even if it doesn't work out.
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This Raptor team has been itching to rebuild for a while.
I mean they just you go back to two thousand
and thirteen when they traded Ruce Gay off that roster
for expiring contracts. That was the first sign of when
they that they wanted to rebuild. They just haven't had
the opportunity because they kept winning at a high level.
So best case scenario, Kauai comes to Toronto, it works out,
he stays there long term. The worst case, they reboot
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this whole thing, which is something they've talked about internally
there for a while. Anyway, I hate to agree with you,
but I completely agree with you. I mean, look, last
year they couldn't get by their nemesis. Their nemesis is
now gone, but they everybody felt like they're forever limited
by de Rosen. Rosen got benched in the the playoffs. But
if you simply substitute out DeMar de Rosen for Kawhi Leonard,
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you got better. And then, honestly, Danny Green is not
a terrible pickup either, considering his experience, he's not what
he used to be. But if he's coming off the
bench for you, that's a hell of a pickup. Like, yeah,
it probably doesn't work in the end, but you take up,
you gotta. It's all about to me about timelines, right,
remember when the Celtics they made those moves last offseason.
Gordon Hayward has said he falls in line with our timeline.
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Toronto's timeline is go for it now and then we'll
figure out the future. Whereas, uh, whereas the Lakers. I
think now look really smart for saying their timeline is
or two, three or four. Um. Well, look, I agree
with you on especially on Danny Green. You know, under
Nick Nurse they're gonna even emphasize even more the three
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point shot. Uh, Danny Green's a career forty three point shooter.
He's going to help in some capacity. I don't know
about the Lakers. I mean, look, maybe Kauai isn't the
end all be all for them. We all know what
the summer of two thousand nineteen is gonna look like.
I mean a lot of free agents out there, from
Butler to Clay Thompson, maybe even Kevin durant Um. You know,
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I get all that. But if they really wanted Kauai Leonard,
not going after him aggressively I think was a mistake.
I mean, and and if it really believes that Kauai
Leonard's definitely gonna head there next summer, I mean, that's
the definition of insanity, right, I mean, expecting the same
thing to happen over and over again, despite the result.
They just went through this with Paul George. And no
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matter what you say about Kauai's intentions that I've seen
all the reports, and I know where these reports are
coming from, like Kauai no desire to play there until
we hear it from Kawai Leonard. I'm not going to
take the word of people in his inner circle, because
if you did that last year, Doug, nobody in Paul
George's circle would have told you that Paul George were
back in Oklahoma City after one year. I think you'll
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let this play out. I mean, Toronto is a great city.
It's got a great fan base and the biggest argument
I've heard against Toronto when the last like you know,
eight hours is as cool as than January. Like, if
that's all you got, you better come come harder than that. Yeah,
I mean, look, if you're a betting man, do you
think he stays uh right now? With with nothing else happening,
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I would say the Lakers are are the favorite, but
I don't. I wouldn't even make a bet on it
at this point. I mean, I had one GM tell
me uh this morning that Massiah Jerry is gonna be
a major weapon in the recruitment of of of Kawahi
Leonard Massia series. You know, Doug is incredibly engaging guy,
a really smart guy. Knows how to build teams, knows
how to connect to players. Look, Kyle Lowry didn't want
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to be in Toronto when he first got there. Marta
Rosen was, you know, a Compton kid played at USC.
You want a signing long term there without taking a
meeting anywhere else. A lot of that's the franchise fan
base all that, but a lot of that is Messiah
being there and and working with them. So you give
a sigh a full year, just like you gave Sam
Prescy full year. I can't bet against Toronto this. Yeah. See,
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I think it's a completely different market next offseason, whereas
this offseason it was Paul George and obviously Lebron James
and no one else. Next season, you have Jimmy Butler,
who they think wants to come to the Lakers, Klay Thompson,
who they think truthfully wants to be a Laker, in
addition to all the other guys that are going to
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be on the market. Heck, I mean, look at uh
you look at uh you know, Draymond, Kevin Duran. I mean,
the Warriors are gonna have some tough decisions to make
if they don't, you know, if if they unless they
want to go deep, deep into the tax so um, look,
I think it's gonna be fascinating, but I just think
it's a different market next year, so that even though
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it feels like Kauai or nothing, there's more than nothing
sitting out there. If he doesn't want to come, Yeah,
I mean, look, I agree with that. I mean, if
if you know, if the other options to the Lakers
are incredibly appealing, one thing I would I would say
that the kind of a little bit is just it
takes time to build a championship level contender. I mean, looks,
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you don't acquire anybody this year, that's one year of
Lebron's time in l a wasted year. Two. Let's say
you get a piece or two. I don't know how.
I don't know how many teams win a championship in
that first year, Like Boston did it a decade ago,
but not a lot of other teams do. So you're
talking year three maybe of Lebron before you're a championship team.
And then you're talking Lebron at what thirty six years old?
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At that point. I always we think he's super zoom,
we can do this forever. But at some point you
decelerate a little bit and he loses, loses something off
as proverbial fastball. I just think if there was a
chance to pair why Leonard now with Lebron James to
get them comfortable, to figure out some chemistry between two
guys that frankly played the same position we have for
most of their careers. I think that's something that if
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you had a chance to do, you go and do. Yeah,
I listen, I hear you. But if you watch Summer League,
and I know it's just Summer League, but Josh Hart
looked like a guy who could be a starter if not,
you know, a top eight in your roster. You already
have Ingram, you have Kuzma like they're a little bit
further along than people want to give him credit. You
sprinkle in Lebron James. That changed the dynamic. I just
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I think bailing on too many pieces in San Antonio
would have asked them to overpay because there wasn't a
top twenty player on their roster. I kind of think
this is the smarter deal, this is the well, yeah,
I mean, not a top twenty player in your rosters, right,
But I'm not sure that the Spurs are are in
love with the rose in here. I mean, I know
Pop doesn't want to rebuild, but you know De Rosa
has got three years left in his contract, and the
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Spurs in this sort of form are are looking to
clear cash based. It wouldn't surprise me. Actually, if come
the trade deadline, you know this year, you know, De
Rosen gets flipped. If it's not you know, going great there,
I could see him getting flipped in exchange for a
shorter contract type of deal. The other part of it is,
I mean, Josh Hart good player, Brandon Ingram put up numbers,
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but you know you look at what they got back
and returned to Rosen uh yaka purdle, a top twenty
protected first round pick. If the asking price was Ingram
heart and a lottery protected first I would have done
that the heartbeat. If I was the Lakers, I don't
know if I would have done Hart me, but I
probably would have done it. Probably, I probably would have
done it. Um. I probably would have made a mask
for a heart Uh. I'm gonna know. That's that's two starters.
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That's that's two potential starters for one star and a pick.
Uh that. But I I don't know if they got
to that. I think I think, honestly, I think the
Spurs asked for too much and we're too steadfast in
their demands, and that turned a lot of people. That
turned a lot of people off as that that has
tendency to happen in these things. Chris Mannix joining us
on The Doug Gotlip Show. So, uh, it looks like
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Austin is is gonna resign Marcus Smart after all. Yeah,
they've they've they've re engaged with him, and they started
to in Vegas at at Summer leagues. And what I
was told, and um, you know this is you know,
kind of I think anyway, it's more my opinion here,
but I think it's Marcus kind of waving the white
flag and realizing that that there wasn't going to be
kind of a Sacramento King Zach Labine offered, there wasn't
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gonna be a team coming at the eleventh hour. And
for what I was told, Marcus didn't never had any
real desire to take the qualifying offer. You want to
guarantee money over the next few years. Uh, and and
this is probably gonna be the best he does now.
You know again, Boston has never never blinked at the
possibility of paying Marcus Smart ten eleven twelve million dollars
per year. They just were never gonna go to a
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Gary Harris level of sixteen seventeen million dollars per year.
So I think Marcus will be back on on a
forty five to fifty million dollar deal over four years.
Top four Boston one, Toronto too, but it's a razor
close and Philadelphia three. Who's four Milwaukee or Milwaukee or
Washington Milwaukee because I think Boutenholzer is is such a
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good coach, you know, not a great executive, but such
a good coach that he's gonna get more out of
that team. But again, if you want to rank it
by tears, even I think Boston Toronto on one level
and even Philadelphia is on another. I remember Toronto last
year kick the crap out of Boston a couple of times.
I mean, their their physicality gives Boston a lot of problems.
Now you're talking about having to I mean, Lowry is
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taking a bit of a step back defensely, but still
pretty good. And if he's healthy, Kawhi Leonard is an
elite maybe the best defensive player on the perimeter. Ever,
so you're doing some nice things defensively and putting yourself
right there on even level of Boston. Yeah, I think
I think we're underestimating how good Gordon Hayward is if
he's back. Yeah, you know, I'm with you. He was
an All Star in the West. And then you know, again,
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Kyrie's knees. We're depending upon Kyrie's knee. I would put
Boston one. I would I too, would put Toronto to
Philadelphia three. And then I think it's really really interesting
Milwaukee and Washington. I think Washington, I like what they did,
you know, flipping flipping their big guy and getting even
though they got Dwight Dwighton on a minimum deal, they
got Jeff Green to come out the bench for him.
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I kind of like what Washington has done here. If
if John Wall and Brad Beale can get it can coexist,
that's five five pretty pretty damn good teams. You gotta
you gotta really motivate those some of those guys though,
I mean, like the health is the key factor with
the Wizards. But I mean, Dwight Howard, you're you're hard pressed,
even like the Wizards that would admit this privately, like
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you're hard pressed to get any of the coaches from
Dwight Howard's previous teams say anything positive. I heard the
exact I heard the exact same thing, like it's really
but it's it's a lot like them. And by the way,
Melow is mellow, Mellow Houston, Mellow Miami. Where's mellow play?
I'd be surprised, and I don't. I haven't talked to
anybody the last couple of days. But you know what,
(43:54):
right now, the thunder have been trying to find, you know,
a trade partner who would take him on to buy
him out, and they're trying to get an asset or
two from Oklahoma City ought to do that for them.
But everything I've been hearing, the rumblings up and hearing,
is that Houstons MI inside track here, Sydnum. I don't
know if that makes them better or worse. I don't either.
I don't either. Man's great stuff. Can't wait to hear
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the reality to it. If you think this was Greg
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Popovich saying, m giving you the old F you to Kauai.
You don't like it here where there's no state income
tax and Texas, I'm gonna send you to where they're
texts in Canada. Yep, Basketball Siberia and can in Canada.
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Like people who say that, and some of my um
my brethren at Fox Sports rade you have said that
that they shipped them off to Canada. Hey, dude, if
you want to say f you to a player in
the NBA, there's only one place you sent him to.
Do you know where that is? Basketball Siberia is in
the state of California. It's in Sacramento. I mean, come on, dude,
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that's not It's not an f you to send the
guy to the team with the best record in the East. Mean,
that's not an f you at all. Which is an
incredible city. Do you want to live there long term?
Maybe not, But anyone who's been to Toronto's like, dude,
Toronto is awesome. I love our American arrogance. We do
(45:44):
have it. We do have it more than somewhat Like,
pick the cities in the Eastern Conference and you tell
me where it ranks. Atlanta warm, but nobody cares. Traffics awful, Orlando,
made up city, Chicago, awesome city, horrific weather, worse weather
than Toronto. Brooklyn, they're that other team in New York,
(46:07):
full of hipsters who clearly love basketball. The Knicks would
be a great destination. Charlotte, it's nice if you like NASCAR.
They're not particularly good. Detroit. Yeah, they built a brand
new arena and still no one goes d C. I
got nothing bad to say about d C. It's an
awesome city. Milwaukee. I love Milwaukee. They're building a brand
(46:29):
new arena. Milwaukee be an incredible place, But no one
says that Milwaukee is some premier destination. Miami, Indiana, Cleveland, Billy, Boston, Toronto, Dude,
Toronto's top five city in the East. And oh yeah,
by the way, and twenty three last year. That's not
a nephew. There's really only one fu city in the NBA,
(46:53):
and that's the Sacramento Kings. It's not just because of
the city, it's because the organization. Right, Anyone who says
that's what Pop was doing. Pop told people that s
first told people, you want Kawhi Leonard, give us a
top twenty player. Do you know what they got back
in return? A top twenty player. That's it. That's that's
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really what it comes down to. They took the best offer.
They could have taken an offer that was deeper, but
they took a really good one. The Martin Rosen average
twenty three a game last year. Marda Rosen is a
damn good player. At twenty eight years old, coming into
his prime. His numbers were down slightly, doubt they actually
(47:37):
down substantially from averaging twenty seven the year before. He's
a really good player. That's an improved three point shooter.
He's not a marksman. He's more of a mid range
one on one pull up guy. He might not fit
totally with what Greg pop Fitch wants to do, but
considering your San Antonio and like Toronto and other places
you can't get free agents, DeRozan and Aldrich allow you
(47:59):
to be successful for longer. And as for the Raptors,
the Raptors didn't have King Ace high and decided to
go all in. They had a decent hand, good hand
but they look around the table and they realize no
one else has the world's greatest hand at Eastern Conference.
So now is the time, all right, now is the time.
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We got plenty of chips, and we can either walk,
you know, we can either continue to make a little
bit of money, win a hand here, win a hand there,
lose a little bit of money, hand here, hand there,
or we can just get the hell over with and
decide what we got right now. That's what they've done.
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Here's Gregg Popovitch earlier today discussing the Quietiner trade. We
talked often over the summer about a lot of different things,
both on and off the court. You know, attempts were made,
you know, to see what would be best, and in
the end this trade appeared and we felt that this,
this was the way to go. That's all ridiculous. Kauai
was a great teammate all the way through. He did
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his work. He was no problem for anybody. You know,
talking heads out there have to have stories, and I
get it, you know, all those stories that denigrated him
in the in that regard that was unfortunate and inaccurate.
I'm a great Popish like. Look, this is a profession
that's how professionals end a professional relationship. Did they get
sideways over the injury thing? Sure? Did the uncle get sideways? Sure?
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When they met man to man, they agreed to a
mutual parting of the ways. It's a professional divorce. You
wish everybody that got divorced could get along and enjoy
the good times and not harp on the bad. And
that's what it is. That's what it is.
This is the best of the Doug gott Leap Show
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We also don't have in southern California. Kawai Leonard not yet,
at least Kawhi Leonard is now a member of the
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show along with Ryan Music. Outstanding job. All right, so
it has become official. This is not like the man
(01:54):
Ni Machado trade, which I don't really understand why baseball
had waited so long. In an effort last night to
be respectful of the game, let's not talking about the
Mani Machadow trade. It takes away from the game. You
actually took away from the game by not talking about
the Mani Machadow trade. Right, Just announce it before the game.
Get it done with hey at the end of the game,
(02:14):
he's switching over to the National League, and then we
move on and we play. That's not what's taken place
with the Spurs and the Raptors who late into the night,
early in the morning consummated a trade. Here's great. We
talked often over the summer about a lot of different things,
(02:34):
both on and off the court. You know, attempts were made,
you know, to see what would be best, and in
the end this trade appeared and we felt that this,
this was the way to go. That's all ridiculous. Coui
was a great teammate all the way through. He did
his work. He was no problem for anybody. You know,
talking heads out there have to have stories, and I
get it, you know, all those stories that denigrated him
(02:57):
in the in that regard, that was unfortunate and there alright,
so Greg pop Fitch very much taking the high road.
He went on to say that he thought both teams
are gonna end up the better because of it. He's
excited for Kawhi Leonard, He's equally excited for their own
All Star and Damar de Rosen. I will tell you this,
Demard Rosen is a hell of a player. He's a
hell of a player. Is he a great three point shooter? No?
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Is he a great defender? No? That dude can go
get buckets he can score and last time I checked,
I'm not sure I know we use analytics. Last time
I checked, they give championship trophies and they give victories
to the team that scores more points than the other team.
That's that's unless they've changed the rules since then. So
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derosen on some levels as being undervalued because he sucked
in the playoffs against the Calves. As I tweeted out
earlier today, the truth is that both of these players
had they had the exact same amount of impact on
their playoff runs, even though coilan And obviously didn't play
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in the playoffs. This tongue planted friendly in chief. So
what do we make of this? Some of it's about timelines, right,
What the Spurs have been great about great is about
extending their timeline as long as possible. Hey, you know what,
(04:20):
let's just be as good as we can as long
as we can. And what many other NBA teams do
is they try and find the timeline that fits perfectly
with when they feel like they can be successful. Let's
take the Lakers for example. The Lakers know that Lebron
had didn't win a title his first year in Miami,
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didn't win a title his first year back in Cleveland,
and the likelihood, the very strong likelihood, is they're not
gonna win a title this year in l A. Why
move mountains and trade away so many of your young
assets when the Warriors are still the best team and
next offseason is a huge one for the Warriors. Clay
(05:03):
Thompson's up, Kevin Durant's up, Uh, Boogie Cousins is up,
Draymond Green is up. Like that, next off season is
huge for the Warriors. Huge next year. This year, there
were some fissures this year, they could be had this year.
(05:24):
Next year, it feels like the Warriors are probably the
best team. So just like the the old war analogy,
you know, why are we gonna line up and try
and beat the British Army force on force? They're better
that way, But when we can outflank them, now we
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can beat them, right Guerilla tactics if you will. All
they're doing in l A. Is saying, hey, we might
not get you this year, but we're going to continue
to institute our culture. We brought in a star who's
gonna to help show our younger players what it's gonna
take to take that next step and then next year
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we'll add a piece or two pieces, much like in
Miami as they added Ray Allen as they went along
to two titles. Then you take Toronto. The timeline is different.
In Toronto, it's just different. Do you know why Ding
Dong the witch is dead? The Calves are done. The
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Calves were their nemesis. Rival means you're competitive with them.
Nemesis means they got something on you. They could never
beat the Calves. And guess what that's over. And so
now if you're Toronto, yeah, you can worry about whether
you're not going to sign Kwai Leonard. And sure the
Paul George thing gives you a little bit more hope,
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but how go for it. You had the best record
last year. And if you're simply subbing out DeMar de
Rosen for Kauahi Leonard, Kawhi Letter is a better player
than DeMar de Rosen. I like Demardar Rose and I
think he's being undersold in this deal. But Kwiteler is better.
The former Defensive Player of the Year, he's an NBA
Finals m v P. By my estimation, he's the third
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best player in the league. He's versatile. We can score
three levels you can defend, and he can essentially defend
all five positions, and so yeah, you might not have
him next year, but you might not have an opportunity
like this next year. It feels like the Celtics are ready,
but they have not taken that next step. They still
gotta figure out how do we do with Kaua, with
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Kyrie and with Gordon Hayward and with Tatum. They still
gotta play together. They still and played together. Yet those
guys played together for all of two minutes. This year,
the Raptors bring essentially everybody back and then they subout
DeMar DeRos and for Kawhi Leonard. After winning fifty nine
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games last season, their timeline is different. They want to
get to the finals. They want to be the team
in the East. There um clock is all right, like
Merissa Tomay and was it was it my cousin Vinny right,
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It's all about timelines. Boston didn't make some dramatic move
trading way a ton of pieces last year until they
got a chance at Kyrie Irving. And when they traded
for Kyrie Irving, they said, he fits into our timeline.
Gordon Hayward when he's signed there, he fits into our timeline.
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They're both. They're all in there in their late twenties
because they know once you get to that prime, that
twenties six to thirty two, you get as many dudes
at the top of their game at that level, multiple forwards,
interchangeable pieces, you've got a chance to win the whole thing.
And now Lebron's gone from the East and the Celtics like,
now's our time. So are the Rafts. It's about timeline,
(08:59):
whereas the Spurs are, hey, let's just stay as good
as we can as long as we can, and the
Lakers know we're a year away. The Raptors are doing
what the Celtics did last summer. Get a regular season record,
get a great regular season record, come up short in
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the playoffs. Instead of sitting on their accolades, they recognize
that they're not good enough, so you go out and
you try and get the home run deal. What's different
than that. In Boston they went to the Eastern Conference Finals.
They had an m VP candidate, granted he was hurt,
and they're like, look, we can stand pat, or we
can go for it, and oh yeah, by the way,
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the Warriors did the same thing the year before with
durand we completely Misremember the Warriors, Oh, they won seventy
three games, did they win a title? Well, they had
a three games to one lead. They were also down
three games to one to the Thunder. This idea that
that the Thunder with the Warriors were the greatest team
we've ever seen because they won seventy three games. Dude,
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they went for when other teams were tanking. They're really good.
But they realized that Harrison Barnes had a ceiling and
so they said, look, we like Harrison Barnes, We love
Kevin Durad. The Boston Celtics said, we like Isaiah Thomas,
we like all these guys. Remember the Boston Celtics made
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eleven eleven player personnel change last year. They had eleven
new players eleven coming off the Eastern Conference Finals. Because
they sat there and go like, these guys aren't good enough.
We got as much as we can out of that.
Let's get better. And the Raptors said, like, look, we
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got a BAKA for a couple more of years. Don't
love that contract, but got up. We got lowry for
a couple of years. It's a lot of money. We
don't love that contract. Buddy's prett damn good. We got
you know, you kind of go through. We got Valancunas
for two more years. All right, what what's it gonna
take to get Kawhi Leonard? You're gonna have to give
up your Parennio All Star. I get it, I understand it.
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I like it. Now, does that mean Kauai is not
coming to l A? Comparing Kawhi Leonard to Paul George's
comparing me to Paul George. We're just all wired differently.
Way is different sort of dude, don't I don't think
he sits out because you can't sit out two straight
years of basketball. That's not happening. So I kind of
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understand both sides to it. And I still think the
Kwai Leonard ends up in l A regardless of you know, obviously,
barring you win a championship and NBA guys love Toronto.
Who wouldn't International city. It's cold, Yeah, you're indoors and
you're playing hoop and when you're driving to and from.
But here's the guy who said he wants in l A.
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And I told you at the time, I told you
when the Paul George thing happened, or actually before the
Paul George thing happened. Paul George stays, it's gonna energize
people to go after guys that don't want to be
in a home. That's what I don't remember. At first,
Kevin Garnett did not want to be in Boston. You
guys remember that. When Kevin Garnette was traded to Boston,
was like, well, you don't want to be there. It's
a racist city. No, that's not a racist city. There's
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racist in the city. There was racist in apparently all
kinds of cities. And then suddenly he got to boss.
He's like, this place is awesome because they were winning,
and the same thing would happen potentially with Paul George.
Although I will point this out. I follow Russell Westbrook
on Instagram and I noticed that they were best friends.
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And then he signed a contract, and Russell Westbrook continues
to gallivantin around the globe and suddenly now all his
brodies are not named Paul George. It's great recruiter. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlie Show
weekdays at three p m. Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app It's show business,
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not show friends. Right, You've heard that before. That's what
NBA players are learning. DEMARDA. Rosen on his Instagram stories says,
uh be told one thing in the outcome another can
trust him. Ain't no loyalty in this game. Sell you
out quick for a little bit of nothing. Soon you'll understand.
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Don't disturb. And of course this is all leading up
to Adrian Warsnowski breaking the story that Demard Rosen was traded.
This is a week after Demard Rosen apparently was called
in in front of the brain trust in Las Vegas
at the Summer League and told he wouldn't be traded.
Remember de rozen, many people thought wanted to end up
in l A last offseason, but some believe out of loyalty,
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that's why he stayed up. That's why he stayed in.
Uh in Toronto. Isaiah Thomas, with his verified account said,
just learn from my story. Loyalty is just a word
in this game. Look, Isaiah Thomas, Dude, you had a
debilitating hip injury. You weren't as good and so they
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got rid of you. And the league tells you what
your value is. And the league has said when year
two million dollars was Isaiah Thomas. He lost a lot
of money. You had a right to be angry and upset. Um.
But like, here's the thing about loyalty is we're told
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players are gonna sit there and tell you like teams
aren't loyal. It's a business. Our players not pay attention
to how they have acted. Let me take it to
Oklahoma City and look, I'm gonna tell you right now,
I completely understand from a basketball perspective why Kevin to
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Rant left Oklahoma City and went to Golden State. Watched
the last two NBA Finals, watched the series with the
Warriors when he was with Oklahoma City in the last
couple of games, and you'll understand why they were playing
two on five or three on five when he was
in Oklahoma City, and so his true talent couldn't come out,
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couldn't come out. He didn't just want to try something different.
He wanted to try something to where his talent could
be shined or shown. I'm really sure. I I think
it's shown, but I also say dove, people say it's dived.
I don't know, could be shown on the brightest stage,
and it has in the last two NBA Finals, he's
matched up with Lebron James. Not only is his team won,
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but he's been a word the m v P. You
can't make a better statement about why he did what
he did. But let me take it to Oklahoma City.
They were so loyal to him in Oklahoma City that
even when he sucked in the playoffs against the Memphis Grizzlies.
Do you guys remember that. Remember when he was bad
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against Memphis in the first couple of games and the
Oklahoma which is the big newspaper in the state of
Oklahoma out of Oklahoma City, the Oklahoma had a headline
that said Mr. Unreliable that the newspaper was forced to
apologize for a headline that was accurate. Being normally reliable,
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Kevin Durant was suddenly unreliable against the Memphis Grizzlies in
the playoffs, and when they wrote a headline of such
as a newspaper, the team was like, dude, shut it
down or no access. There has been no more loyal
organization to their players than the Oklahoma City Thunder and
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wanted to get them Kevin Durant's playing in Golden State.
The Miami Heat were completely loyal. Or let's start with
the Cleveland Cavaliers were loyal to Lebron James the first
time around. And you can criticize Dan Gilbert for his
letter all you want, but remember he went out and
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got shocked and Antoine Jamison and anybody he could want
to compete. And they even fired their coach Mike Brown
after he won sixty one games in the regular season.
Why out of loyalty for Lebron James, How was that rewarded?
He went to Miami. When he's in Miami, they went
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to four finals in four years, They moved mountains, They
re signed Chris Bosh to a ridiculous deal. Why because
Lebron wanted Chris Bosh. How is that rewarded? How was
that rewarded? Went back to Cleveland. He goes to Cleveland,
they go into luxury tax, They spend more money than
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anybody in the sport, even though Lebron criticizes them openly
for not spending enough money, which is simply not the truth.
How is that reward He's in l A. So look,
NBA players, you can get mad at all you want
over NBA teams not showing loyalty, not being honest, but
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all of the players have been getting together, predetermining where
they're gonna go in free agency, in spite of the
fact that other teams now on the drafted them, laid
out money for them, offered them a huge contracts, trying
to make them as comfortable as possible, trying to get
their boys around. Hell, the Cleveland Cavaliers like Rich Paul,
you can wrap all these guys. You guys can be
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around the organization. How did that work out for Lebron James?
They keeping this time around? No, you know why? Because
players aren't loyal either. This is Demartin Rose and Isaiah
Thomas being mad at NBA teams. Not being loyal is
like the guy who cheats on his wife ten times,
over comes home. She's in bed with the with the
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with the FedEx boy FedEx man, Like, I cannot believe
you did this? What is Fox Sports Radio has the
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NBC Sports Um and he joins us on the Doug
(19:19):
Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Man, there are so
many things I'd like to get to with you. Peter.
Let's let's start with Brandon Cooks re signing a long
term deal with the Rams, which we all knew. That's
why the Patriots um decided to part ways with Inside
to trade him was they didn't want to resign him
to a long term deal. What do you think that
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the actual numbers, I think it's twenty million dollars actually guaranteed.
What does that do to the Aaron Donald's of the
world who want a new contract? Well, OK, I think
it's both Aaron Donald and Todd Gurley obviously, UH are
looking at this contract very carefully. The compare us in
here quite honestly, because Donald is going to make more
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than than Brandon Cooks, and my guess is that Gurley
would make about the same. But you know so, I
doubt anybody in Aaron Donald's camp is doing anything other
than just thinking, hey, just pay us. Uh. But this
contract makes sense to the Rams for a very simple
reason because, Uh, in the off season, Sammy Watkins, a
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much less accomplished receiver, blew than Brandon Cooks, blew up
the receiver market by getting sixteen million a year in
Kansas City. I think the Rams were fortunate to get
Brandon Cooks for sixteen million dollars a year for five years,
and so you know they'll get him probably through almost
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his entire prime And uh so I think at that
level of money and approximately about seven percent of the
salary cap on average, good deal for the Rams. Yeah,
I I it is interesting on how the Sammy Watkins
thing changed the wide receiver market. Can you explain that
one to me? I mean, like, look, Andy Reid's won
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a lot of football games, but Sammy Watkins was the
fourth best wide receiver with the Rams last year he
struggled to be healthy. Like, how how are we resetting
the market based upon Sammy Watkins? That one feels like
an odd one to me. Well, Andy Reid is also
the one, uh and the Chiefs who overpaid Jeremy Macklin.
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So uh five years fifty five million about whatever it
was four years ago. Uh So, look, I mean Andy
Reid wanted a speed receiver to pair with Tyree Hill
because he has a young quarterback who's got a bread
five type arm in Pat Mahomes. And I think he
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believes that if I get these two eyes on the
flanks of my on either flag of my offense, nobody's
gonna be able to stop us. And I would say
he's right to some degree, Doug. But the thing that
bothers me about with Watkins and his health, Davie Watson
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is simply not been healthy enough from a long enough
period of all. I still wonder whether the foot problems
that he had during his career have gone away. So
that's why I don't I didn't like this sighting at all.
I thought they would lean Bell is going to play
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in the franchise tag. There was one report today that
said there's only ten million in guarantees. Last year's reportedly
offered thirty million dollars in guarantees. Uh, how far apart
are you told? And you know that Levian was with
the Steelers with this long term deal. I don't think
the Steelers, I mean, I think they were fairly far apart.
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I don't think I think the Steelers would love to
assigned uh Leman Bell long term, but it was going
to have to be at their number and at their guarantee.
And so it doesn't sound like to me they were
ever really that close. You know, you have to ask
yourself this question, Doug. You know I had a in
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my first column at NBC on Monday. UM, I had
a chunk in there about you know, basically centered around
to Marco Murray's retirement, and I said, look, in the
last ten years, uh, Adrian Peterson won three rushing titles
and seven other backs also one rushing title, seven different backs.
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The average drafts alot of those seven backs was number
seventy nine overall. I mean Leosy Kareem Hunt last year
won the rushing title eighties six overall pick last year
as a rookie. Uh. And so I just think teams
are viewing running backs more is interchangeable pieces who you
could win with. You you know, win with different guys,
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And it's probably not the smartest idea to go paying
guys until they're thirty years old at a at a
huge trade. It's what I go back to two. I
think it was two thousand five, maybe two thousand six,
Sean Alexander was paid huge money by the Sea Hawks.
The second year. It just it wasn't a contract, wasn't
worth it anymore. I love lebian Bill. I think he's
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one of the best three backs in football. But the
fact is that teams have won and one big without
the franchise running back Peter King from NBC Sports joins
us in the Doug Gottlieb Show. Um, Aaron Rodgers is
a really really smart guy. And you know the the
the the piece you wrote on him, talked about how
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now is he look happy but he is happy, but
he wants a different sort of contract. What exactly does
that mean? What does that entail? Decipher Aaron Rodgers lingo
for me to explain? I wish I could. I'm going
to read the tea leaves on Aaron Rodgers because he
didn't tell me what he wanted to do. He I
I was the one who said to him, it makes
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most sense to link your contract to the increases of
the salary cap, perhaps the increases of what quarterbacks are paid.
That is what that makes what makes the most sense
to me, Doug, Because think about it. You know, Matt
Ryan now is the king of the Hill of thirty
million year. Kirk Cousins is number two a million. They've
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both done those deals, you know, in the last few months.
So let's say Aaron Rodgers hop scotches them and sign
six years average I don't know, let's say thirty two,
thirty three million a year that's the logical next step. Well,
you know, and I know that it doesn't matter how
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good or whether anybody is actually in Aaron Rodgers league.
The next quarterback to have the hammer is going to say,
Aaron Rodgers making thirty three, I want thirty four. And
that's the way the quarterback contact business works, in my opinion,
eighteen months after Aaron, if Aaron Rodgers signs for let's
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say thirty three million years, six or seven guys are
going to pass him. And I think he believes in
his agent, David Dunn, believe that it makes no sense
for me to play that game. You're a Hall of
Fame voter, give me your sense of all of this
stuff going on with t O and the Pro Football
Hall of Fame's reaction to t OH. I've said all
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along that if Tar doesn't want to go, uh, that's
that's the way life goes. And who kids. I think
he's making a mistake, but whatever, his life. But I
think the empty hall of things all by basically kinde
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of going to him and saying essentially that you know,
we're not gonna we're there, we gonna acknowledge it with
the whole thing. Anybody Tree them same way as every
other person who gets in the Hall of Fame. I
understanding why they're doing it. I don't particularly agree with it, Doug.
I think the larger maybe not the larger issue, but
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you know this this thing if indeed, and I guess
it is the reason that to is doing this because
he you know, he got he got guilt at his
first couple of years of eligibility. You realize that the
Hall of Famous over three hundred people in it, and
one third of those uh those enshrined, one third uh
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have been enshrined in their first year. And so I
kind of looked at this and I say, so, are
you telling the guys the sixties seven per cent of
the guys who went in in their second year, their
eighth year, they're fourteenth year. Are you telling me that
their bus are any different or their membership there in
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Shrineman and the Pro Football Hall of Fame is really
any different then the guys who got in the first year.
I think it's ludicrous. Nobody walks in the Hall of
Fame and looks at the bus and says, you know what,
ron Yerry, he got in and whatever is fourteenth of
his game year? Hey, you know, he's not as great
a Hall of Famer as a guy whoever. You know
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ray Lewis, He's just it's silly. And uh, I don't
look at that way in baseball. I don't look at
that way in any sport. If you're in the Hall
of Fame, you're one of the all time grades. No, look,
I mean, and he's like and and wide receiver. There's
always been a backup at wide receiver anyway, right, It's
really the Hall has struggled to evolve. But the t
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O saying he's doing it for others is it's just laughable.
It really is. Um you know, like Marvin Harrison didn't
get into mathematics. Make it impossible to put everybody in
in the first year who you might think or I
might think, belongs. It's impossible. Every year I walk into
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that room, there's fifteen modern era finalists. Every year I
walk in the room and I look at the list
and I vote for ten or eleven of them that
day right there. But I don't have that luxury. I
get to vote for five or we get to we
get to vote for five max. So if some guy
doesn't get in, it does not mean we don't think
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he's all of famer. It just means that it's a
numbers game and you've got to put in the guys
who you think are most deserving. You can't put in
the guys who just think who are all deserving. Let
me ask you about your conversation with Ben McAdoo. You're
the first guy to get Ben McAdoo on record to
talk about what went wrong with the Giants. He was
brought in to kind of elongate and save Eli Manning's career,
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and then he got elevated to being a head coach.
He said it was his bedside manner that that undid
him with the move to and they end up benching
Eli Manning. But it wasn't you know, like everybody signed
off on the deal. They weren't even gonna bench Eli Manning.
How has Eli Manning remained kind of above reproach with
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all this stuff. I think that's one of the most
interesting things. I mean, Eli Manning is is is like
is like he's a godlike figure in New York. And look,
I wrote this last year when this happened, Ben McAdoo
was the only adult in the room. Everybody else just
at three and nine or whatever they were out of
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the playoff race. Everybody else just wanted to keep going
and hey, play your guys and try to win every
game the same What good does that do you when
you've got Davis Webb, who's who you want to see times? Uh,
you know, before the end of the year, everybody has said, well,
wait a second, why then did Ben mcadoopa Gino Smith?
And very simple reason. Davis Webb had not taken a
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snap all the year with the first unit offense. He
wanted to give him the best possible chance. So Davis
Webb was going to play a little bit, probably in
the Second League and maybe all of your last two
or three weeks. And so look, you know, the fact
is that Giants got spooked by the reaction. They had
no idea that it was going to become the biggest
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cause celeb in years in New York sports. I was
shocked at it. But the fact is Ben McAdoo at
the time made the right decision. It just wasn't presented
to the public well enough. And uh lose the job
because of it, right, I Mean, that's that's really kind
of what comes did. He did, But he would have
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lost his job anyway. I think by the end of
the year. But but be that as it may. I
think Ben mca do in his comments to me, it
was very uh very evident that uh he would do
the same thing over again, and good for him, he
should do the same thing over again. Go to Pro
Football Talk dot NBC sports dot com you can read
Peter Peter King's first column with NBC Sports US an
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incredible job. Can't tell you how much we appreciate you
join us here on Fox Sports Radio. Thanks so much, Dog,
all the best to you. Pleasures mind. That's Peter King
joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show. Be sure to
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a show on Sundays from noon to three Eastern time
right here on Fox Sports Radio. This week, Mike Hill,
good friend of mine, will be his co host Mannix.
What was your reaction to the Kaie deal? I absolutely
loved it for Toronto. I mean, I thought this was
exactly what a team like that needed to do. Toronto
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is the two thousand eight version of Oklahoma City, a
team in a bit of a predicament that needed to
take a big risk. I mean, look, this Raptor team
dug before this deal was not winning anything. I mean, yes,
Lebron's out of the East, but there's still i believe,
a notch below Boston, and they didn't have a lot
of wiggle room to get better their bench. Those young
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guys O Giata, Nobi, Fred Van Bleep, Yeah, maybe they
can improve, but the core guys, the starters, they weren't
going to get better. In fact, in the case of
Ibaka Kyle Lowry, they might even get a tick worse
next years. Think they're out of the East, they would
be fodder for whoever comes out of the Western Conference.
That's number one, number two, even if it doesn't work out.
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This Raptor team has been itching to rebuild for a while.
I mean they just you go back to two thousand
and thirteen when they traded Ruce Gay off that roster
for expiring contracts. That was the first sign of when
they that they wanted to rebuild. They just haven't had
the opportunity because they kept winning at a high level.
So best case scenario, Kauai comes to Toronto, it works out,
he stays there long term. The worst case, they reboot
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this whole thing, which is something they've talked about internally
there for a while. Anyway, I hate to agree with you,
but I completely agree with you. I mean, look, last
year they couldn't get by their nemesis. Their nemesis is
now gone, but they everybody felt like they're forever limited
by de Rosen. Rosen got benched in the the playoffs. But
if you simply substitute out DeMar de Rosen for Kawhi Leonard,
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you got better. And then, honestly, Danny Green is not
a terrible pickup either, considering his experience, he's not what
he used to be. But if he's coming off the
bench for you, that's a hell of a pickup. Like, yeah,
it probably doesn't work in the end, but you take up,
you gotta. It's all about to me about timelines, right,
remember when the Celtics they made those moves last offseason.
Gordon Hayward has said he falls in line with our timeline.
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Toronto's timeline is go for it now and then we'll
figure out the future. Whereas, uh, whereas the Lakers. I
think now look really smart for saying their timeline is
or two, three or four. Um. Well, look, I agree
with you on especially on Danny Green. You know, under
Nick Nurse they're gonna even emphasize even more the three
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point shot. Uh, Danny Green's a career forty three point shooter.
He's going to help in some capacity. I don't know
about the Lakers. I mean, look, maybe Kauai isn't the
end all be all for them. We all know what
the summer of two thousand nineteen is gonna look like.
I mean a lot of free agents out there, from
Butler to Clay Thompson, maybe even Kevin durant Um. You know,
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I get all that. But if they really wanted Kauai Leonard,
not going after him aggressively I think was a mistake.
I mean, and and if it really believes that Kauai
Leonard's definitely gonna head there next summer, I mean, that's
the definition of insanity, right, I mean, expecting the same
thing to happen over and over again, despite the result.
They just went through this with Paul George. And no
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matter what you say about Kauai's intentions that I've seen
all the reports, and I know where these reports are
coming from, like Kauai no desire to play there until
we hear it from Kawai Leonard. I'm not going to
take the word of people in his inner circle, because
if you did that last year, Doug, nobody in Paul
George's circle would have told you that Paul George were
back in Oklahoma City after one year. I think you'll
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let this play out. I mean, Toronto is a great city.
It's got a great fan base and the biggest argument
I've heard against Toronto when the last like you know,
eight hours is as cool as than January. Like, if
that's all you got, you better come come harder than that. Yeah,
I mean, look, if you're a betting man, do you
think he stays uh right now? With with nothing else happening,
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I would say the Lakers are are the favorite, but
I don't. I wouldn't even make a bet on it
at this point. I mean, I had one GM tell
me uh this morning that Massiah Jerry is gonna be
a major weapon in the recruitment of of of Kawahi
Leonard Massia series. You know, Doug is incredibly engaging guy,
a really smart guy. Knows how to build teams, knows
how to connect to players. Look, Kyle Lowry didn't want
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to be in Toronto when he first got there. Marta
Rosen was, you know, a Compton kid played at USC.
You want a signing long term there without taking a
meeting anywhere else. A lot of that's the franchise fan
base all that, but a lot of that is Messiah
being there and and working with them. So you give
a sigh a full year, just like you gave Sam
Prescy full year. I can't bet against Toronto this. Yeah. See,
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I think it's a completely different market next offseason, whereas
this offseason it was Paul George and obviously Lebron James
and no one else. Next season, you have Jimmy Butler,
who they think wants to come to the Lakers, Klay Thompson,
who they think truthfully wants to be a Laker, in
addition to all the other guys that are going to
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be on the market. Heck, I mean, look at uh
you look at uh you know, Draymond, Kevin Duran. I mean,
the Warriors are gonna have some tough decisions to make
if they don't, you know, if if they unless they
want to go deep, deep into the tax so um, look,
I think it's gonna be fascinating, but I just think
it's a different market next year, so that even though
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it feels like Kauai or nothing, there's more than nothing
sitting out there. If he doesn't want to come, Yeah,
I mean, look, I agree with that. I mean, if
if you know, if the other options to the Lakers
are incredibly appealing, one thing I would I would say
that the kind of a little bit is just it
takes time to build a championship level contender. I mean, looks,
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you don't acquire anybody this year, that's one year of
Lebron's time in l a wasted year. Two. Let's say
you get a piece or two. I don't know how.
I don't know how many teams win a championship in
that first year, Like Boston did it a decade ago,
but not a lot of other teams do. So you're
talking year three maybe of Lebron before you're a championship team.
And then you're talking Lebron at what thirty six years old?
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At that point. I always we think he's super zoom,
we can do this forever. But at some point you
decelerate a little bit and he loses, loses something off
as proverbial fastball. I just think if there was a
chance to pair why Leonard now with Lebron James to
get them comfortable, to figure out some chemistry between two
guys that frankly played the same position we have for
most of their careers. I think that's something that if
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you had a chance to do, you go and do. Yeah,
I listen, I hear you. But if you watch Summer League,
and I know it's just Summer League, but Josh Hart
looked like a guy who could be a starter if not,
you know, a top eight in your roster. You already
have Ingram, you have Kuzma like they're a little bit
further along than people want to give him credit. You
sprinkle in Lebron James. That changed the dynamic. I just
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I think bailing on too many pieces in San Antonio
would have asked them to overpay because there wasn't a
top twenty player on their roster. I kind of think
this is the smarter deal, this is the well, yeah,
I mean, not a top twenty player in your rosters, right,
But I'm not sure that the Spurs are are in
love with the rose in here. I mean, I know
Pop doesn't want to rebuild, but you know De Rosa
has got three years left in his contract, and the
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Spurs in this sort of form are are looking to
clear cash based. It wouldn't surprise me. Actually, if come
the trade deadline, you know this year, you know, De
Rosen gets flipped. If it's not you know, going great there,
I could see him getting flipped in exchange for a
shorter contract type of deal. The other part of it is,
I mean, Josh Hart good player, Brandon Ingram put up numbers,
(40:16):
but you know you look at what they got back
and returned to Rosen uh yaka purdle, a top twenty
protected first round pick. If the asking price was Ingram
heart and a lottery protected first I would have done
that the heartbeat. If I was the Lakers, I don't
know if I would have done Hart me, but I
probably would have done it. Probably, I probably would have
done it. Um. I probably would have made a mask
for a heart Uh. I'm gonna know. That's that's two starters.
(40:39):
That's that's two potential starters for one star and a pick.
Uh that. But I I don't know if they got
to that. I think I think, honestly, I think the
Spurs asked for too much and we're too steadfast in
their demands, and that turned a lot of people. That
turned a lot of people off as that that has
tendency to happen in these things. Chris Mannix joining us
on The Doug Gotlip Show. So, uh, it looks like
(41:00):
Austin is is gonna resign Marcus Smart after all. Yeah,
they've they've they've re engaged with him, and they started
to in Vegas at at Summer leagues. And what I
was told, and um, you know this is you know,
kind of I think anyway, it's more my opinion here,
but I think it's Marcus kind of waving the white
flag and realizing that that there wasn't going to be
kind of a Sacramento King Zach Labine offered, there wasn't
(41:22):
gonna be a team coming at the eleventh hour. And
for what I was told, Marcus didn't never had any
real desire to take the qualifying offer. You want to
guarantee money over the next few years. Uh, and and
this is probably gonna be the best he does now.
You know again, Boston has never never blinked at the
possibility of paying Marcus Smart ten eleven twelve million dollars
per year. They just were never gonna go to a
(41:43):
Gary Harris level of sixteen seventeen million dollars per year.
So I think Marcus will be back on on a
forty five to fifty million dollar deal over four years.
Top four Boston one, Toronto too, but it's a razor
close and Philadelphia three. Who's four Milwaukee or Milwaukee or
Washington Milwaukee because I think Boutenholzer is is such a
(42:08):
good coach, you know, not a great executive, but such
a good coach that he's gonna get more out of
that team. But again, if you want to rank it
by tears, even I think Boston Toronto on one level
and even Philadelphia is on another. I remember Toronto last
year kick the crap out of Boston a couple of times.
I mean, their their physicality gives Boston a lot of problems.
Now you're talking about having to I mean, Lowry is
(42:30):
taking a bit of a step back defensely, but still
pretty good. And if he's healthy, Kawhi Leonard is an
elite maybe the best defensive player on the perimeter. Ever,
so you're doing some nice things defensively and putting yourself
right there on even level of Boston. Yeah, I think
I think we're underestimating how good Gordon Hayward is if
he's back. Yeah, you know, I'm with you. He was
an All Star in the West. And then you know, again,
(42:50):
Kyrie's knees. We're depending upon Kyrie's knee. I would put
Boston one. I would I too, would put Toronto to
Philadelphia three. And then I think it's really really interesting
Milwaukee and Washington. I think Washington, I like what they did,
you know, flipping flipping their big guy and getting even
though they got Dwight Dwighton on a minimum deal, they
got Jeff Green to come out the bench for him.
(43:12):
I kind of like what Washington has done here. If
if John Wall and Brad Beale can get it can coexist,
that's five five pretty pretty damn good teams. You gotta
you gotta really motivate those some of those guys though,
I mean, like the health is the key factor with
the Wizards. But I mean, Dwight Howard, you're you're hard pressed,
even like the Wizards that would admit this privately, like
(43:32):
you're hard pressed to get any of the coaches from
Dwight Howard's previous teams say anything positive. I heard the
exact I heard the exact same thing, like it's really
but it's it's a lot like them. And by the way,
Melow is mellow, Mellow Houston, Mellow Miami. Where's mellow play?
I'd be surprised, and I don't. I haven't talked to
anybody the last couple of days. But you know what,
(43:54):
right now, the thunder have been trying to find, you know,
a trade partner who would take him on to buy
him out, and they're trying to get an asset or
two from Oklahoma City ought to do that for them.
But everything I've been hearing, the rumblings up and hearing,
is that Houstons MI inside track here, Sydnum. I don't
know if that makes them better or worse. I don't either.
I don't either. Man's great stuff. Can't wait to hear
(44:14):
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the reality to it. If you think this was Greg
(44:37):
Popovich saying, m giving you the old F you to Kauai.
You don't like it here where there's no state income
tax and Texas, I'm gonna send you to where they're
texts in Canada. Yep, Basketball Siberia and can in Canada.
(44:59):
Like people who say that, and some of my um
my brethren at Fox Sports rade you have said that
that they shipped them off to Canada. Hey, dude, if
you want to say f you to a player in
the NBA, there's only one place you sent him to.
Do you know where that is? Basketball Siberia is in
the state of California. It's in Sacramento. I mean, come on, dude,
(45:24):
that's not It's not an f you to send the
guy to the team with the best record in the East. Mean,
that's not an f you at all. Which is an
incredible city. Do you want to live there long term?
Maybe not, But anyone who's been to Toronto's like, dude,
Toronto is awesome. I love our American arrogance. We do
(45:44):
have it. We do have it more than somewhat Like,
pick the cities in the Eastern Conference and you tell
me where it ranks. Atlanta warm, but nobody cares. Traffics awful, Orlando,
made up city, Chicago, awesome city, horrific weather, worse weather
than Toronto. Brooklyn, they're that other team in New York,
(46:07):
full of hipsters who clearly love basketball. The Knicks would
be a great destination. Charlotte, it's nice if you like NASCAR.
They're not particularly good. Detroit. Yeah, they built a brand
new arena and still no one goes d C. I
got nothing bad to say about d C. It's an
awesome city. Milwaukee. I love Milwaukee. They're building a brand
(46:29):
new arena. Milwaukee be an incredible place, But no one
says that Milwaukee is some premier destination. Miami, Indiana, Cleveland, Billy, Boston, Toronto, Dude,
Toronto's top five city in the East. And oh yeah,
by the way, and twenty three last year. That's not
a nephew. There's really only one fu city in the NBA,
(46:53):
and that's the Sacramento Kings. It's not just because of
the city, it's because the organization. Right, Anyone who says
that's what Pop was doing. Pop told people that s
first told people, you want Kawhi Leonard, give us a
top twenty player. Do you know what they got back
in return? A top twenty player. That's it. That's that's
(47:17):
really what it comes down to. They took the best offer.
They could have taken an offer that was deeper, but
they took a really good one. The Martin Rosen average
twenty three a game last year. Marda Rosen is a
damn good player. At twenty eight years old, coming into
his prime. His numbers were down slightly, doubt they actually
(47:37):
down substantially from averaging twenty seven the year before. He's
a really good player. That's an improved three point shooter.
He's not a marksman. He's more of a mid range
one on one pull up guy. He might not fit
totally with what Greg pop Fitch wants to do, but
considering your San Antonio and like Toronto and other places
you can't get free agents, DeRozan and Aldrich allow you
(47:59):
to be successful for longer. And as for the Raptors,
the Raptors didn't have King Ace high and decided to
go all in. They had a decent hand, good hand
but they look around the table and they realize no
one else has the world's greatest hand at Eastern Conference.
So now is the time, all right, now is the time.
(48:20):
We got plenty of chips, and we can either walk,
you know, we can either continue to make a little
bit of money, win a hand here, win a hand there,
lose a little bit of money, hand here, hand there,
or we can just get the hell over with and
decide what we got right now. That's what they've done.
(48:44):
Here's Gregg Popovitch earlier today discussing the Quietiner trade. We
talked often over the summer about a lot of different things,
both on and off the court. You know, attempts were made,
you know, to see what would be best, and in
the end this trade appeared and we felt that this,
this was the way to go. That's all ridiculous. Kauai
was a great teammate all the way through. He did
(49:05):
his work. He was no problem for anybody. You know,
talking heads out there have to have stories, and I
get it, you know, all those stories that denigrated him
in the in that regard that was unfortunate and inaccurate.
I'm a great Popish like. Look, this is a profession
that's how professionals end a professional relationship. Did they get
sideways over the injury thing? Sure? Did the uncle get sideways? Sure?
(49:27):
When they met man to man, they agreed to a
mutual parting of the ways. It's a professional divorce. You
wish everybody that got divorced could get along and enjoy
the good times and not harp on the bad. And
that's what it is. That's what it is.
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