November 13, 2025 • 51 mins
On a Thursday edition of the Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug offers up an analogy to explain the lacking national interest in the college football regular season.
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Today.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We're in Minneapolis, Minnesota, home of the Goopers, but we
don't play the Goophers tonight, but the Goopers on Saturday
night play the Tammis of Saint Thomas. That's over in
Saint Paul in five hours, five hours.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Boy, we got a good show for you.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Boys have done a great job. Chris Flika is going
to join us twenty five after the hour. If you've
watched Big Noon kick Off, you know he does the
bear Bets. The bear Bets is also a podcast, and
we'll get his picks on all of this weekend's games,
including the two ranked teams that play Friday Night one
on Fox. In addition to that, I think we have
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a really interesting discussion up coming on if the customer
is always right in professional sports or collegiate sports, whatever
it's it's I think Jason has honed in on a really,
really smart argument that I want to have as a discussion.
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We'll do so upcoming in fifteen minutes. I want to
start with another one. So I'm trying to figure out
why I'm not more fired up or I don't have
the energy for these arguments in college football as the
college football playoff rankings came out the other night, and
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I think I've have figured it out sort of and
I'm gonna relate it to I'm an relate to the
UFC and something I've always thought about the UFC and
MMA and why it despite the fact that it has
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a greater consistency of fan bases, you know, like you're
gonna have you put on UFC whatever number they're up to,
and the same people are gonna watch every single time,
and the big ones you'll draw in some of the
mainstream but the reason that it doesn't generate the revenue
and maybe the eyes of boxing at least one of
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the reasons to me is one of the reasons that
college football season, though really good and really talented, seems
to lack the I don't know, the social equity, right,
or people aren't arguing talking about it because they know
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they'll be a final conclusion, right there'll be a tournament.
So there's a little bit of college basketball and there's
a lot of UFC in it.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Here's the argument.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Okay, so I'm looking at all of these teams, and
right now, unlike previous years, now previous years, if we
get to week twelve of the college fooball season, that's
we are, by the way, week twelve, and that counts
week zero. So seriously, we're in thirteen weeks. Week twelve,
we have nine teams, all of whom are in the
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biggest conferences, and actually, if you really want to get
down to it, we have eleven team. Eleven teams in
only the biggest the Power for conferences, and Notre Dame
who have one loss or less like that's virtually unheard of.
So the first part to it is some of the
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reason we don't have have these unbelievable games and these
unbelievable arguments and these is because we still the best
of the best on some level. Haven't all played each other. Right,
Indiana still hasn't played Ohio State, A and M. You know,
A and M for example, is nine to zero on
the year, but they haven't yet played Texas. They don't
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play Georgia. They don't play Alabama unless they play in
the SEC championship game. Right, Alabama has played Georgia. That's
why Georgia has one loss on the season. Outside of that, again,
you have all these one loss teams. So some of
it is that the season and the schedule is built
for the crescendo. Some of it is that with the
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intent of or the belief that you can create greater parody,
there's less parody than ever.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
The schools that.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Are winning, by and large, not all have spent the
most money, and that's why they have so they have
schedules that are backloaded, and they spend more money. So
there's fewer and fewer upsets than there used to be.
Those things I do believe to be true. But the
last part is think about when.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Oregon lost earlier this year.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
To Indiana, did anybody think Oregon's season was over? The
answer is no, Right, Ole Miss lost to Georgia, Right,
it would take a colossal upset.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
They only have.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Two regular season games remaining. Okay, Florida, who's already fired
their coach upcoming this weekend, and then at Stark Vegas
after a week off after Thanksgiving in the Egg Bowl,
and if they survive both of those two games, they're
gonna go to the College wall playoff. And what was
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the it game? I guess the Georgia game sort of.
So here's the UFC argument. Mixed mar arts. Though, you
have some guys who are the best of the best
of the best, and by the account and not my opinion,
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because my opinion honestly really doesn't matter, especially in mixed
martial arts, but by the opinion of many, the best
mixed martial artists will have five, six, even seven losses,
you know, two or three easy because it's not easy,
because you can win a fight overall, but get caught
in a bad spot, get whold, get held, and get
tapped out. It happens more often than the George Foreman
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knockout that made him heavyweight champion.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
At forty years old.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
It just does the reality of the UFC is you
don't get to duck people the way that boxers get
to duck people. There aren't the tomato cans the way
they're tomato cans for boxers. So you don't have these
dramatically inflated records that appear to be greater than they are.
But it does draw the attention of the mainstream fan.
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Like we can argue back and forth all you want
on how it's it's great to see the best play
the best, but just like fans are having it, gonna
have a tough time like Oklahoma fans if they lose
this weekend. I've said this a long time, Like Brent
Vetibles has turned this thing around.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
They're way better.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
John Mateer hasn't been playing well since he got hurt. Yet,
even if if they lose this weekend in Alabama, there's
a chance, outside chance they lose one more this year.
Like a Missouri game, Missouri is really good game. Missouri
is playing for their college fall playoff. Live Probably don't
get it again. I think Oklahoma's better, but there's a
world in which they If Oklahoma turns around and go
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and goes eight and four on the season, and they
have a home win against Michigan, a home win against Auburn,
that should be seen as a great year. But because
Oklahoma fans are like boxing fans. They're used to their
teams winning eleven and twelve and minimum ten games. It's
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really hard to convince people, no, no, you had a
great year. You just played a tougher schedule than you've
ever played, right, that's my argument, my argument and buyer,
maybe this is meaning to you because you're as big
or a bigger college football fan than I am. I
think one of the reasons we, even as hardcore college
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fell fans, but especially the mainstream fan, we are gonna
end up with very likely at most one undefeated team,
and it might be Ohio State, might be Okay or
Ohio State Indiana. One of those two teams will probably
end up undefeated, maybe nobody else does. And then we're
arguing over these two and three loss teams. The regular
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season games don't matter as much because you can drop
one or even drop two and still survive. And then
it takes away from the perception of their greatness, not
the reality of it, the perception of how good they
are because they have two and three losses next their name,
even though they're playing a far more difficult schedule than
teams in the past played.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Okay, that's my argument, doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I do think.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
I do think that it is along the lines of
what Lane Kiffin had previously said on if we're looking
at these teams ten and two teams, nine to three
teams maybe better than eleven and one teams. And I
think that his point is from the SEC and the
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schedule that they play, that he feels that there's a
lot more opportunities for losses. And I think that that's
why we actually have a committee to decipher those things.
It's why we look at non conference schedule. But I
do think that your point of do we not look
at say we'll just use Ole Miss for an example
of them being ten and two as not being as
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elite because of those two blemishes, Yeah, I think we
do look at it that way. I think we've actually
always looked at it that way in college football, and
now it's more magnified. In fact, the undefeated team was
a lot of times looked at much more in a nicer,
better fashion than anybody with a loss. And if you
would even look at the college football playoff rankings right now, Doug,
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which is the reason why we're supposed to have this committee,
I don't think that it's any surprise that you have
three unbeatens in the top three, and then you have
eight and one, eight and one, nine and one, nine
and one, eight and one. So they're just grouping everybody
by losses, and when you have a curved number with
your loss, you are going to look like you are
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inferior to the team that doesn't have a loss or
just has that one loss.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, which I think it's a part of human nature
that you and I are admitting, and I don't know
if everybody admits. Is that again, like this Oklahoma team,
if they're in the Big twelve, my expectations, right and
if Texas, what even if Texas was in the Big
twelve and they have one loss right there, eight and one,
with the one loss being the exact same loss to Texas,
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it's viewed.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Greater than the one with two losses. Now, it just is.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
And it's one of the things that we've done with
boxing for a long times, Like, yeah, we fought a
bunch of tomato cans.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, but he's.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Thirty three, and oh, it's like the at least thirty
three and oh, like yeah, but he fought he fought
like three guys that were missing an eye one guy
was missing a hand, you know. I mean think of
Floyd mayweathery Floyd Mayweather. If you ask boxing people, no
one will say Floyd Mayweather's the greatest fighter of all time.
He's really really smart and he was really really smart
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at the fight game. From this perspective, his last ten years,
he didn't fight anybody who had any chance of beating him.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
None.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Even when he thought fought Manny Pacquiao, he waited like
three years. And of course when he fought Pacyo, he
had the bad shoulder, but he waited out Pacio till
Pacio was out of his prime and was kinvin ol'man
and there's no way he could lose.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
He didn't fight any bud that.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Could beat him, and so when you look at his record,
yeah he's undefeated, but I mean he kind of stopped
fighting people and knew how to win fights and used
his brain for the last ten years of his his
ownership of whatever division. Whereas you know, you go to
the Julio Cesar Chavez, like how many fights do you fight?
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
But he's you know, the layman would never say that
guy is the greatest fighter ever because he's got like
six seven loss like yeah, he fought like one hundred
times and he fought a bear once that was hungry.
I just Jason and I were talking today was I
was like, it's a good college for all weekend. Matter
of fact, it's a great college for all weekend. You
got a bunch of ranked teams, you got some, you
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got a big game of the SEC, you got Iowa
SC's interesting. I'm interested in a bunch of these things.
But there's no oomph to it. Were in November, this
is college football's time, and it's like, yeah, it doesn't
really matter they lose. The good teams are still going
to play in the playoff anyway. And it really has
And then the numbers change and it really has taken
away from the elite teams because so many of them
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have a loss. Now going to sustain two, gonna stain
three losses because all the good teams are now in
you know, one of two leagues.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Really And not to focus on ole Miss, but the
one part where I will differentiate from you is to
your point of ole Miss making the postseason with maybe
two losses on their schedule.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
If they end up losing.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Like I would say that loss at Georgia and what
a magnificent game.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It was.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
If they win that game, now we're talking about whow
is there a changing of the guard and the ole Miss?
Ole Miss knocked off Georgia. Can they do the same
if they would face Alabama in the championship game. It's
Lane Kiffin, it's all of that. I think that there
would be a lot more hype about that. But I
think it just changed our conversation about Ole Miss. So
then when they go and beat Oklahoma, that's a really
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really big win. But maybe we didn't look at it
as as big of a win because they were coming
off of the loss from the previous week. So maybe
we unfortunately Burial Miss because we just pushed them aside.
I'm not saying that we did, but just that one
blemish now in their in their lost column. But that
game against Oklahoma was very very big for them, and
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so now Ole Miss maybe just has this different look.
I think it's the point of if they lose, we
have to look at their other games differently. Oregon is
a great example of this past weekend of when they
just go and are able to pull off that crazy
win against Iowa. It would have been a lot different
if Oregon was unbeaten in that scenario, right, like all
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of a sudden, here's an unbeaten squad and we're like, man,
they were taken to the task, just like Indiana was
to Penn State. But I would almost say what India,
what Oregon accomplished, was much bigger than what Indiana accomplished
this past weekend.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
But I think Iowa, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yes, yes, hell yeah, hell yes.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
But we look at the Indiana comeback and the Gus
Johnson call and say that was amazing, Like Oregon's accomplishments
to win that game were much bigger than what Indiana accomplished.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
You and I completely agree, But because they have a
loss next to their name, you're like.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
And I would also say it's because it's Iowa. And
no matter what, people are always going to doubt Iowa
because they think Iowa couldn't score, and in that particular game,
they couldn't. It was a great football game, a great
football game. It's like it's like I think I said
that on group text. Not all ten to seven games
are bad games. Some ten seven games, the one on
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Thursday Night Football last week was the Iowa.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
The Iowa game was not.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
It was just a well played, not great offensive, hard hitting.
It was a good football game, and then Oregon really,
on one pass completed late, ends up kicking a field
goal to win it.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I know it's ifs and butts, but if Iowa had
won that game, and if they were to win on
Saturday against USC in one out, if they won their
final game, they would be in the playoff.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Why are you guys doing this to me?
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Just?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I know, I know, but but I guess Sam, do you?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I understand you look at it through a lens of
an Iowa fan, But is what we're saying making sense?
And I don't think it's the only reason. Like somebody
tweeted at us too many stoppages. It's true, it's a
harder to watch game because there's so many more plays
and there are a lot of stoppages, but that's more
in stadium than anything else. In stadium, stoppages are just death,
it's really really.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
They've done a better job though with RU I mean,
adding the two minute warning I'm not a fan of,
but they've done a better job in changing rules to
try to make things go faster.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yes, yes, and the clock running now as opposed to
stopping with every incomplete pass is better. Otherwise you were
getting four and a half hour games. It was interminablie. Yeah,
I'm talking about more of perception, lead up to games,
reaction to games. It's just changed because of look, they're
all professionals now, everybody bets on them now.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
A lot of things have changed.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But one of the major parts of changes we don't
we rarely will end with no losses or one losses
and every game really really matters. Whereas the teams with
no losses, they can lose the game or maybe two
over the last month of the season and still make
the college fell playf and we never had that before.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
I'm okay with that, though, I'm okay with the relative
lack of drama right now. I think, you know, we
I think that if you take care of business in
the first half of the season and you're undefeating, you
lose a game or two in November, I still think
that that's, you know, your resume should hold up.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I have argued that, and it's up to the fan.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
It's maybe their responsibility, but there are games on the
schedule that you don't realize are important games. I remember
last year, I think it was Illinois Nebraska. Maybe it
was the year before they played a Friday night game,
maybe late September, early October, but they were both had
really good records at that time.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I think it was last season, and that.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Essentially could have been a college football playoff elimination game
for whoever wins that contest. And I think that's we
almost have to change our thinking towards this and how
we're looking at these because there are more games there.
There's no doubt there are more games that are meaningful.
They may not mean as much, but there are more
games that are meaningful. With this current format in college football.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
There are more games meaningful, and there are more and
there are more games that are meaningful, but their final
score is not. It's a it's just a different way
of doing something which we've all been fans of since
my birth right, and it's different to cheer for it.
It's like, wait, what matters? What doesn't matter? It's very
confusing and and Sam, to your point, you're right, the
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drama is kind of cooked, baked in, and the last
couple of weeks are going to be great. But that's
not what college football has always been. That's the big.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Thing I've always enjoyed.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
I was just gonna say, I've I've always I've always
been a proponent of allowing teams to lose a game
or two.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
No, no, no, listen again, you're right.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I mean the truth is that now we're allowing coaches
to have their teams of right, that's you should be well, Doug.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Look at Iowa losing at Iowa State early on by
a field goal and then losing by five really seven
to Indiana, and then they had a chance if they
had beaten Oregan to put themselves back in the conversation,
and that grace I think is a good thing to
be allowed.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I agree. I'm just telling you that's never how college
football was.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I know, I know, I like it matters.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And you lose one, you're like, oh my god, we
may be done. You lose two, it's over now. It's
like you lose two, like I don't lose a third,
But it all depends on who that third is too,
and what everybody else does.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Yeah, I'm not I'm definitely. I don't think Iowa was
in the conversation. But I look at a team like Vanderbilt,
like there have two losses, and like the teams that
are kind of right on the you know, right on
the edge of making the playoff. They're the ones that
have the best plots going on right now, like the
greatest drama.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
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Speaker 1 (19:54):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
So here's the question, all right, the argument, it's not
even an argument. The reality is that the Dallas Mavericks
fired Nico Harrison because at home games it got to
be too much fire Nico. And again, let's just be honest.
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Anthony Davis's hurt, Kyrie Irving is hurt. Team looks like crap, right,
So is.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
That a logical reason?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
And again I'm actually I wouldn't do it, But I
think that Jason Sewart brings up a great point where
Jaysus like, look in any other business, the customer is right.
This is a customer based business. The customers were furious
with Nico Harrison, blamed him for the trade. He essentially
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is responsible for the trade. Doesn't matter if they got
if it went up the ladder that it had to
stuck Outleb show here on Fox Sports Radio, we hait
the Nico Harrison thing one second, one point a billion
sounds light for the Padre, right, it sounds light for
the Padres. But whatever, Maybe they don't own their stadium
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and they're in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Feels like a bargain.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Like if I had one point eight billion dollars, I
think the Padres would be a damn goodbye byer.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Let me get your opinion. Okay, actually, let's just do this, Jason.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I thought it was such a really good point, and
I know I sort of made it, but I wasn't
your voice your words if you could so, Dan.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Can hear it from out of your mouth? Is that
essentially it?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
The customer is always right, and the customer has clearly
stated they don't want Nico Harrison running the Mavericks. It
shouldn't be that big a deal that the Mavericks did
what the customer wants, which is what you're supposed to
do when running a business.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I think that my take is a little bit different
than the customer's always right. I know that's the cliche
and it sounds good, but I think that what my
take was is this, this became an untenable situation. Untenable
they the players were being distracted at their own home
games by hatred for the general manager. This became untenable
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in the building where your consumers go, for your players
to play in front of that crowd, and the ownership
basically said, we're going to not only listen to our
fans that we made an awful mistake, probably, but we're
also going to make this more tenable by eliminating this distraction.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
So the question Dan is do you agree with that
premise as to why you make the move.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I mean I felt that Nico Harrison did not do
his job the moment he traded Luca. And some people
say that your job as a general manager is to
win championships, and that may seem like the obvious, but
I don't think that. I think that Mavericks fans again
would rather just be able to have Luca be their
guy for the next fifteen years, and if they don't
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win a championship then so be it.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
They just but would they really.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Like again, I understand, I know they have said that. Okay,
but let's just say let's let's let's build.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Let me build the.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Scenereio for me, Okay, for you, Dan, Let's say he
continues to come in heavy and on and off with
injuries because he's carrying too much weight and he's really good,
but they don't win a championship. Do you think they
would be the same level of fandom form.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I think that they they They absolutely adored him.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Maybe I shouldn't have said the next fifteen years, but
I would say for the next five years they wanted
Luka Doncic to be their guy.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
And so that's really.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
So even and by the way, we're not even talking
about the crappy package they got in return.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
So, but that's completely separate to Jason's point and of
Cooper Flag's mom saying like, yes, stop chanting fire Nico
when we're shooting free throws, like like to that point,
like that's where it finally, yeah, finally got to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I just think that.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Danie Jeremiah joins this year on the Doug Gottlieb Show DJ,
we're talking about how Jason stated, and I do agree
with this idea. It's a little bit of the customers
always right. He was just like, hey, look, it was
untenable in Dallas. Dan agreed, like, untenable in Dallas. Here's
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my perspective on it, guys, which I had not yet shared.
I sat in the bleachers and Lambeau and I listened
to what I think are great football fans, Like they're
not on the phones, they're not worried about other stuff.
Obviously it's a Monday night, so we're about fantasy football.
But I mean, by the end of the game, every
member of the Green Bay Packers should be cut, every
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coach should be fired. And they lined up and lost
on a fairly unmakeable sixty five yard field goal with
the win at at their back, and they're five to
three and one on the season. My point is that
when I was sitting there, I listened to the fans,
and I felt dumber because of it. I just did,
because they they now have some they have some a
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lot more information than they ever have, but they think
they have everything, and look, I was I My difference
is I'm a fan, but I admit I don't know why,
Like why weren't they throwing the ball? More like, well,
they lost their left tackle and they lost their tight end,
and the tight end they replaced their left tackle with
can't block, and so they didn't want Jordan Love to
get to get blindsided every time. Where are you on
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the untenable nature of the Mavericks, and that's ultimately what
led to them changing GMS.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
I think anytime if you move on from a you know,
base of the franchise, you know type transcendent type player,
the stakes are very very high, no question, and the
challenges when you look throughout all all sports, it's very
rarely that when you trade one of those guys and
you can go to one Soto and baseball, you can
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go through all the different sports that you know. Normally,
even if you've got a great haul, which they didn't there,
you're not going to be able to approximate the value
in the stardom that just walked out the door. So
anytime you do that, it's just a very dangerous proposition,
even if you can justify it, but you feel like
it's the right move and you've got to go in
that direction. But he just he was never going to
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be able to overcome that. You know, he was as
a general manager, he was going to be the point
person there. He was going to be viewed as as
the reason why their face of the franchise is no
longer there. And that's that's just throughout all sports. That's
difficult to work through.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I'll tell you the opposite side of his Landerfields got
fired as GM of the Hawks, and he didn't make
that move. And look, I don't think that. I don't
think that Trey Young is anywhere in the solar system
of Luca. But he's as popular in Atlanta as Luca
is in Dallas. And by not pulling that trade, they
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accepted their faith as never achieving much and he got fired.
So you can be damned if you do, damned if
you don't. Okay, but what about the Packers? Was it
because they were down left tackle on a tight end?
Like why were they so conservative on Monday Night?
Speaker 8 (27:17):
I don't know. I mean, that's that was just kind
of bizarre to me. I just think when you're playing
the better teams and on the bigger stages, especially when
you get into the postseason. Again, I don't think this
is just football. I think it's all sports. Aggression is
usually rewarded. And to me that I think they're to
that place as a franchise, like they're ready to go
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right now. This is their window, this is their time.
It's not time to be cautious, it's time to be aggressive.
And they've done that in personal it's time to do
that now on the field and their play style, So
that to me has been a little bit of a disconnect.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Okay, what about the what about the other side? Okay,
the other side was the Eagles Again, I walk away.
They win the game really on two offensive plays, right
Sagua out in the flat and then the unbelievable throw
and catch to to DeVante Smith. But I actually understand
aj Brown's argument to a certain extent, like he had
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two completely nondescript catches. It's it's like they don't even
try and feature him. Why is their offense not just
so pedestrian, but pedestrian despite the fact they have some
really talented pieces.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
I just think that's the way that the quarterback likes
to play football, and it's, you know, about making him comfortable.
And I speak out of both sides of my mouth
here because I talked about the need to be aggressive,
but they are aggressive with him, and they have been
in super Bowls and on some big stages, but it
hasn't really been required for them to navigate the regular season.
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And this is just kind of the mundane, boring brand
of football that they play that's been rewarded with success
so I totally understand AJ Brown is a you know,
lead elite player who could be piling up tons and
tons of numbers elsewhere. But you know, I've never had
I've never had an interview with the player when they're
coming to the draft process where when you ask him,
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would you rather, you know, have the individual stats and
success or win a Super Bowl. I mean, they all
give the lip service so they want to win a
super Bowl. But this is kind of a this is
like truth theorem to AJ Brown because that's playing this
way is how they've won super Bowls and it's how
they think they can do it this year. But it's
going to be at the sacrifice of his numbers and
his personal success.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Brian Dabele fired, What was your reaction?
Speaker 8 (29:33):
I think it was, you know, look, I think you
can you can understand the tough spoties in with the
injuries they've had and some of the roster limitations, but
I also see the side of it where they've just
blown games, where they've had opportunities, even with the limited personnel,
to put games away and they haven't been able to
do that. And I think the uh, you know to
me and I don't. I don't talk to anybody in
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that organization. But this almost feels like an audition for
Matt Kavka, not as the future head coach, but potentially
as the future you know, offensive play caller with the
keys to the car, with the relationship with Jackson Dart
that they don't want to disrupt, and they can go
out and maybe hire a defensive head coach and keep
some continuity for a young quarterbacks. He doesn't have to
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start completely over. So I mean, I get it from
that standpoint.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
All right, I'll give you three teams really good records,
but no one actually thinks they're any good. You tell
me how they rank one, two three, right, Seahawks, Seahawks, Broncos,
Colts one two three, who's the best?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Who's the worst?
Speaker 8 (30:34):
I will go Seahawks, Colts, Broncos, Broncos third, just because
offense is not has not been clicking, and you know,
with Bownick still has some stuff to prove there. Defense
is really really good, ultra ultra aggressive. I'm anxious to
see how they do against the end of City this week.
But I do love the defensive side of the ball.
I think the Cults are, you know, a complete offense.
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The best offense I've seen all year. Whether Broncos are
the best defense I've seen all year, And I think
the Seahawks at the top of the list for me,
because I think they have the most balanced team. I
think they can they can beat you different ways. Offensively,
they ran the ball well last week. They've got JSN
who's playing great, Sam's playing great. And defensively, they have
waves and waves of defensive front players they can throw
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at you. And uh, and I think Leonard Williams is
complete stud I think they're really good at all three levels.
I think they're the most complete of those three teams.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Okay, what where are we with the Chargers? Right?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
They they've won three in a row despite all these injuries.
But now Jacksonville on the road is a tough one. Uh,
then Raiders, then Eagles, which is and then Den Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Uh. They st have to go to the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
How are they you know they going to be able
to keep him upright, considering how decimated that offensive line
has been.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
Yeah, I actually think and I know that people will
look at the PFS stats and such. I know that
kind of made the rounds, But I think the last
couple of weeks the offensive line has played better, or
they're running the ball, which is big. Herbert's kind of
ran himself into a couple of these sacks yep, where
he's trying to climb up into the pocket and it's
kind of got caught in no man's land. So I
think offensively, the fact that the interior is healthy now
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and then they can help out the tackles. They're learning
how to play with this offense. When I'm scooting the
ball out to the perimeter quick, they're running the ball.
So this is a three week period. They needed to
win these three games, and they got the first one
down with the Steelers. If they could beat Jacksonville this week,
and I think it's the Raiders after right, and you'd
be did that put him at ten? All right? You know,
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right around ten ten wins, I think that you kind
of punt punch your ticket and then it's okay, see
if you can maybe try and steal the division down
the stretch. But the first goal is just win these
three games and kind of secure your playoff spot.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, you get to get to the bye week, you know,
you get to this bye week after they play, after
they play the Jags, and see what more you can
get get health wise. Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
this one's this one's sort of interesting to me. What
do you think the Browns do at quarterback? Because Deshaun
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Watson's now working out?
Speaker 8 (33:11):
This funny thing is man Like, there's the preseason, there's
the pre draft. What are the Brown's gonna do at quarterback?
There's the post draft, there's the start of camp. There's
four games into the season and there's eight. I mean,
it's like it is a soap opera with their quarterback position. Yeah, so,
I mean, I don't know. I mean, I to me,
I guess I'd want to get another look at Watson
(33:32):
just to see if somehow he could recapture what he
once was. But I mean, it still feels like their
quarterback of the future is not in the building right now.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
That's correct, he's the one only. Daniel Jeremaia, DJ, you're
the best man. I really appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Hey, if you want to buy the patres with me,
let me know.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, how many friends do you think we need? One
or two really really rich ones? But one point, it
kind of sounds like a bargain these days.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
Yeah, No, I think if we can get the Sega
in the mix, I think we could pull it off.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
All right, all right, I'm in.
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New York Giants, head football coach. We'll talk some Chargers.
We'll talk some Chiefs. We'll talk at all with Daniel
Jeremiah later on this hour. I love that rivalry talk.
I mean, like we could have gone how many rounds
do you think we could have gone? There? Dan Byer
in that like we I forgot I didn't forget, but
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I was like trying to measure out. And part of
my thing with Dolphins Jets was a Dolphins Bills was
great back in the day. Recently Niners and for if
you're just joining us, we did best rivalries in the NFL.
Niner Seahawks has probably been as competitive and as important
a rivalry as you can think of, but it's only
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like fifteen to twenty years old because they weren't in
the same division until twenty years old.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Yeah, it's also a funky situation because I think there
are a lot of different options that we can go.
But honestly, because the Seahawks didn't go to the NFC
West until the early two thousands, there isn't the thirty
and forty year history that we have, but it was
right up there. And I'm the guy that's saying this
that took Steelers Ravens because of how high it was
(35:52):
at one point, and I think Seahawks forty nine ers
matched or darn near matched that rivalry between the Steelers
and Ravens.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I would I would agree.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I actually also think that's what's missing with the AFC South, Right,
You're like, why is the AFC South so wonky, feel
so weird, right, Well, Tennessee used to be the Houston others, right,
so there's I mean, they've been there for a long time,
but there's no like unique rivalry there with the Indianapolis
(36:21):
culture used to be the Baltimore Colts, right. The Jaguars
were a team that they've been around for thirty five
years or so, right, So it's just interesting that that
division lacks the rivalries all the other divisions, even though
some divisions have broken up some rivalries.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Of the past.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Here's here's the I don't want to say dirty little
secret about the AFC South because the NFC South also
kind of a newer division, if you will. But the
Houston Texans being the newest team you talked about the
move of the Titans and the Jaguars being new as well.
I think that it's kind of a mix because the
Colts were the AFC East at one point. The Oilers
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when they played were in the AFC Central when they
were in Houston, So you lost all of those rivalries. Heck,
Houston and Cleveland, Cincinnati and Cleveland, like those were great
rivalries within that division, a division that the Steelers were in.
And this is the nineteen eighties, so they're really hurt
by it. Also, I mentioned Falcons Saints. Yeah, Falcon Saints
were in the NFC West together. It's a built in
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rivalry that carries over to the NFC South. So that's
got a little bit more equity than Tampa coming over
from the NFC Central or just the Panthers being new
and I know the Panthers for a while we're in
the NFC West, but just not as much equity as
the other two teams.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
But it does make sense though, right Like you have
the AFC South, you're always trying to figure out, like
why is that the forgotten division? And I forgot the
point that the Houston Texans are the newest team in
the NFL, the Jaguars part of the other the second
and third newest teams in the NFL, and then the
other two teams in division that's not their traditional home
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nor their traditional division. So you have all this kind
of move it's there's there's a reason.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I also think that the AFC South road on the
shoulders of Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts for so long.
And it's not to say that the Titans didn't have
good teams with Steve McNair and Eddie George, or that
Jacksonville didn't have good teams. But the fact is is
the Colts winning that division and having Peyton Manning, they
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were a top team in that in that conference, in
that league, or you know, in the league. And now
Peyton's gone and there's really nobody there with that cachet anymore.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
And and you brought up a point that is not
has not been brought up by anybody else, myself included
in sports radio. We everyone talks about the Patriots. They
just dominated their division. Their divisions stunk. Says the exact
same thing about the AFC South Peyton Manning, right, because
because look, you had a couple of years of the
Jets being good. Often on the Dolphins have been decent
(38:58):
or whatever. But for the most part during those twenty years,
it was the Pats. Remember the Bills went through thirteen
years of not making the playoffs, and the same is
true with the With the Colts. It's one of those
things where it didn't seem like they were in the
playoffs every year. They were in the playoffs every year,
and they would never meet almost never meet in the
first playoff game because they both won their division every year.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Really interesting. It's a doug out the show.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
He's Dan Byer, Jason Stewart's the producer, Iowa Sam is
on the board and the ones and twos, and what
we like to do on Thursdays is, well, we throw
it back, but we just don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
We look back on one of the years of the past.
And with that we turned over to Chase.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
You know what happened ten years ago. Ten years ago,
the term fits magic came to be a thing. You
guys remember Fitzmagic. Well, you're gonna see him on TV tonight.
He's the zany guy with the long beard in those
crazy clothes. Doesn't have a lot of interesting things to say,
but he looks zany.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
So he's on TV.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
Fitzmagic took hold ten years ago. Guys, they're playing the Jets,
were playing the Patriots as they are tonight, and the
Jets won twenty six to twenty in overtime. Ryan Fitzpatrick
led an ot TV after a curious decision by Bill
Belichick to kick in overtime. Now, if you remember the
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old rules, if you score first, you win sudden death,
and Bill Belichick's confidence in his defense maybe blinded his spirit. Anyways,
the Patriots would lose that game. The Jets kept their
playoff hopes alive. The Patriots would go on in that
twenty fifteen season to lose to the eventual champion Broncos
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in the conference championship game. What a year, What a season.
It was the year of Cam Newton who won the MVP,
Dan Bayer. Anything else to add about that twenty fifteen
NFL season or anything else.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Absolutely, because we talk about now the NFL schedule, at
least I believe with the seventeen games, I feel like
it added three or four more weeks to the actual season.
It's going to be really difficult for a team to
go unbeaten. However, the Carolina Panthers were fourteen and oh
at one point during that campaign just a decade ago.
They lost in Week sixteen to the Atlanta Falcons, ended
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up fifteen and one, ultimately lost the Super Bowl. But
it's as close as we've gotten to a team really
challenging the Patriots for their sixteen and oh record. The
Carolina Panthers fourteen and oh in the regular season fifteen
and one, on their way to their let's just call
it runner up appearance in the NFL as they lost
Super Bowl fifty.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, and that was a Super Bowl occurred in two
thousand six. Team Remember that year they played a really
soft schedule. I believe only one team with the winning record.
They played all season long, all season long.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Twenty fifteen in the NBA gave us a Golden State
Warrior Championship. The Warriors beat the Calves in six games
that year, and you're like, wait, which Warrior team was that?
That was the one with Andrea Goodala winning the MVP
where they when they beat the Calves. That was when
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Kyrie Irving hurt his knee in regulation of Game one,
didn't play in overtime or in the rest of the
series after that, and the Golden State Warriors Andrea Godala,
who is like the fifth guy that didn't guard him,
got a bunch of dunks in some threes in the
last couple of games.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Ends up being the.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
League's Also that year, twenty fifteen, in college basketball, the
Duke Blue Devils cut down the nets, winning the National
Championship all because of a halftime interview done by Mike Krzyzewski.
That's what you'll you'll get if you ask Wisconsin Badger
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fans as Wisconsin was in the National championship game that year,
or please.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Everyone be quiet.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Tias Jones was one of the heroes, the point guard
for the Duke Blue Devils. Tias Jones is from Minneapolis
where I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
So that was the Wisconsin Duke National Championship game.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Do you know what he's talking about with the interview
about the officiated a half time and suddenly du gout
every call in the second half.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
Man, I remember a lot about that Wisconsin team though,
because wasn't Kentucky undefeated prior? Yes, and Wisconsin took him
out And if Frank the Tank Cominsky, it was.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
The payback from the year prior when Kentucky knocked out
Wisconsin in the National semi final.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Man, that Wisconsin absolutely. Who was the other stud on
the Wisconsin team? Decker? Yes, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
She lives in Sheboygan, Sheboygan's own.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
Let's head to the Diamond, folks, where the Royals won
their first World Series title, uh in forty years.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
How we Forgibbs.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
That was the year after they went to the Was
that the year they beat the Mets?
Speaker 5 (44:18):
Right, they beat the Mets that year? Yep, yep, they
lost to the Giants the year before. Now the Mets team,
of course beat the Dodgers in the NLC. Yes, that
was the series where Chase Utley broke the leg of
the shortstop going in high and changed the rule forever.
You can't go near that fielder now because of Chase Sutley.
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In the twenty fifteen NLCS.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Uh one correction, it was the n l DS.
Speaker 5 (44:45):
That's when I met ds ps.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
They beat the Cubs in the CS.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
Oh, the rise of the Cubs was also a story
that year. Yeah, yes, good point. Remember Ronda Rousey.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, do you remember rond Yeah?
Speaker 5 (44:59):
You did her strike that year a year of Ronda
Rousey and women's I just heard Joe Rogan the other
day said that that Dana White is more than willing
or was more than willing to never have a women's
division because it's it's really unsightly to see women beating
the crap out of women, but na rowse.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
A void the punches, so they just come out looking
honestly like their their face was stuck through like a
meat processor. And just the post fight interviews for Women's
MMA is really tough on the eyes.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
Yeah, what's that one meme that's been floating around for
a few years, just the woman all bruised up and
she's like, yeah, I feel great, I'm doing okay, I'm good,
I'm good, doing great, feel great. Rona Rowsey, she she
got beating so many people because she just come out
and pummel you. And then she was beating up on
I think opponents were lesser than and then she went
up against like Holly Holm, and she kind of drifted
(45:56):
away from the scene. Now she's doing mostly acting, I
think in pro wrestling, but she's you know, she's still around.
But she had a nice, nice little uh surge there.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Just I hate to be that guy. No, I don't.
Isn't pro wrestling acting as well?
Speaker 5 (46:11):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (46:11):
Absolutely, with a little bit probably more probably more next
Nick Aches and you know Pains Well.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
I know the folks in the Pacific Northwest wish the
USGA would have acted better when it came to course
conditions of the twenty fifteen us Open held at Chambers Bay.
But what you couldn't do is deny the finish put
on by Jordan Speith and Dustin Johnson. Speith, looking to
go back to back majors after winning the twenty fifteen Masters,
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was in the group ahead of Dustin Johnson, settled for
Bertie on the fifteenth, So when Eagle would win it
for DJ, A Bertie forces playoff and DJ's putt ran
about five feet past the hole for Eagle on the
par five eighteenth, maybe not even five feet, maybe three
and a half feet. He missed the comebacker in Jordan
(46:59):
Speith when a second major of the year at Chambers.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Bay wasn't that was is that when the Shark was
still doing commentary.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Was the first year of it. That was the first
year of and and he choked.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
And they didn't ask Greg Norman about choking when Greg
Norman is synonymous with choking.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
I think they didn't.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
He just said I don't know, or yeah, good question,
something like that, like what's going through his mind right now?
Speaker 5 (47:28):
Interesting? You bring up Dustin Johnson, by the way, just quickly.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
I can't remember because I was there and then I
got to play Chambers Bay the next day, So all right,
I'm to you, Jason.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Nice, nice, humble Bragg.
Speaker 5 (47:38):
I like it was the first Harry Potter buck took
place Chambers Bay, Harry Potter humor out there.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
You know you have a Harry Potter mon you got,
you got a Harry Potter.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
Harry Potter mouth of it. It's funny you bring up
Dustin Johnson because you know, Justin Johnson is known for golf,
but he's also known for his sweaty wife, the daughter
of Wayne Gretzky, And he loved this song in twenty
fifteen because he loves the taste of women. It went
something like this, this is the song Sugar by Maroon
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five at the top of the charge for five weeks
in twenty fifteen. It was the second number one hit
for Maroon five. Of course everyone remembers Maps the year before,
but yeah, Dustin Johnson loved this song. It's about tasting
women and how sweet that sugar is. Great song, great
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year for music. What happened in the in movies as
we try to get to.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
A well in movies.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
In movies, the number one draw at the box office
was Star Wars episode episode the II, Sorry Horse Awakens.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
You know I've never seen any of those new Star
Wars movies. I didn't see any of them. Yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Seven was really good. Okay, Jurassic World because the world
needs more dress.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Should we get Ryan Smith in here?
Speaker 2 (49:13):
There may there may be another Jurassic Who knows we.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
Can we can end those I think we can't. We can't.
My son loves that stuff.
Speaker 6 (49:21):
Well, he can go back and watch all nine of
them now.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
It was also, Hey, Hunger Games two was that year
that was going mocking Jay really good, good, And I
gotta tell you one of the most inventive Pixar films,
inside Out, Inside Out, Inside Out is a good one.
Speaker 6 (49:39):
Didn't they make a sequel a year or two ago
and everyone freaked out about it. It's about like your
feelings and stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
That's what inside out right right?
Speaker 3 (49:45):
Okay? Got you?
Speaker 1 (49:46):
But yeah, it's it's a further Yes, there's a there's
an inside Out too. Ant Man was that year as well.
Speaker 5 (49:52):
Man, I didn't see any of those movies. DiCaprio, we
have Dicapriole won his first Oscar for the Revenant. The Revenant,
Love the Revenant, Love the You know. He's also good
in that movie.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Is a Hardy.
Speaker 6 (50:04):
Tom Hardy plays a real evil like Cowboy, great great movie.
The Revenant slow, not a lot of dialogue, but fantastically
shot film.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
It's one of the rare.
Speaker 5 (50:15):
Times that the Oscars where the director won and didn't
win Best Picture because the Best Picture went to Spotlight.
So kind of a light comedy about the Catholic church
abusing children. That's a good that's a good movie. It's
a very good movie comedy.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
I believe Narcos launched in twenty fifteen too. That was
like one of the of the of the big streaming shows,
like that was a big one that that a lot
of people Empire. Narcos was that year. Better Call Saul
was that year, which course is a prequel to uh,
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what's it Help me?
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Help me?
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Breaking Bad?
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Breaking Bad? Yeah, prequel of Baking Bad.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
So there's some good shows on TV on this streaming
service in twenty fifteen. That's probably the first year we
got full streaming. And that is don't call it throwback Thursday.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
Don't call it a throwback
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Speaker 2 (00:52):
Boy, we got a good show for you.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Boys have done a great job. Chris Flika is going
to join us twenty five after the hour. If you've
watched Big Noon kick Off, you know he does the
bear Bets. The bear Bets is also a podcast, and
we'll get his picks on all of this weekend's games,
including the two ranked teams that play Friday Night one
on Fox. In addition to that, I think we have
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a really interesting discussion up coming on if the customer
is always right in professional sports or collegiate sports, whatever
it's it's I think Jason has honed in on a really,
really smart argument that I want to have as a discussion.
(01:36):
We'll do so upcoming in fifteen minutes. I want to
start with another one. So I'm trying to figure out
why I'm not more fired up or I don't have
the energy for these arguments in college football as the
college football playoff rankings came out the other night, and
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I think I've have figured it out sort of and
I'm gonna relate it to I'm an relate to the
UFC and something I've always thought about the UFC and
MMA and why it despite the fact that it has
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a greater consistency of fan bases, you know, like you're
gonna have you put on UFC whatever number they're up to,
and the same people are gonna watch every single time,
and the big ones you'll draw in some of the
mainstream but the reason that it doesn't generate the revenue
and maybe the eyes of boxing at least one of
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the reasons to me is one of the reasons that
college football season, though really good and really talented, seems
to lack the I don't know, the social equity, right,
or people aren't arguing talking about it because they know
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they'll be a final conclusion, right there'll be a tournament.
So there's a little bit of college basketball and there's
a lot of UFC in it.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Here's the argument.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Okay, so I'm looking at all of these teams, and
right now, unlike previous years, now previous years, if we
get to week twelve of the college fooball season, that's
we are, by the way, week twelve, and that counts
week zero. So seriously, we're in thirteen weeks. Week twelve,
we have nine teams, all of whom are in the
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biggest conferences, and actually, if you really want to get
down to it, we have eleven team. Eleven teams in
only the biggest the Power for conferences, and Notre Dame
who have one loss or less like that's virtually unheard of.
So the first part to it is some of the
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reason we don't have have these unbelievable games and these
unbelievable arguments and these is because we still the best
of the best on some level. Haven't all played each other. Right,
Indiana still hasn't played Ohio State, A and M. You know,
A and M for example, is nine to zero on
the year, but they haven't yet played Texas. They don't
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play Georgia. They don't play Alabama unless they play in
the SEC championship game. Right, Alabama has played Georgia. That's
why Georgia has one loss on the season. Outside of that, again,
you have all these one loss teams. So some of
it is that the season and the schedule is built
for the crescendo. Some of it is that with the
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intent of or the belief that you can create greater parody,
there's less parody than ever.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
The schools that.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Are winning, by and large, not all have spent the
most money, and that's why they have so they have
schedules that are backloaded, and they spend more money. So
there's fewer and fewer upsets than there used to be.
Those things I do believe to be true. But the
last part is think about when.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Oregon lost earlier this year.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
To Indiana, did anybody think Oregon's season was over? The
answer is no, Right, Ole Miss lost to Georgia, Right,
it would take a colossal upset.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
They only have.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Two regular season games remaining. Okay, Florida, who's already fired
their coach upcoming this weekend, and then at Stark Vegas
after a week off after Thanksgiving in the Egg Bowl,
and if they survive both of those two games, they're
gonna go to the College wall playoff. And what was
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the it game? I guess the Georgia game sort of.
So here's the UFC argument. Mixed mar arts. Though, you
have some guys who are the best of the best
of the best, and by the account and not my opinion,
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because my opinion honestly really doesn't matter, especially in mixed
martial arts, but by the opinion of many, the best
mixed martial artists will have five, six, even seven losses,
you know, two or three easy because it's not easy,
because you can win a fight overall, but get caught
in a bad spot, get whold, get held, and get
tapped out. It happens more often than the George Foreman
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knockout that made him heavyweight champion.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
At forty years old.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
It just does the reality of the UFC is you
don't get to duck people the way that boxers get
to duck people. There aren't the tomato cans the way
they're tomato cans for boxers. So you don't have these
dramatically inflated records that appear to be greater than they are.
But it does draw the attention of the mainstream fan.
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Like we can argue back and forth all you want
on how it's it's great to see the best play
the best, but just like fans are having it, gonna
have a tough time like Oklahoma fans if they lose
this weekend. I've said this a long time, Like Brent
Vetibles has turned this thing around.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
They're way better.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
John Mateer hasn't been playing well since he got hurt. Yet,
even if if they lose this weekend in Alabama, there's
a chance, outside chance they lose one more this year.
Like a Missouri game, Missouri is really good game. Missouri
is playing for their college fall playoff. Live Probably don't
get it again. I think Oklahoma's better, but there's a
world in which they If Oklahoma turns around and go
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and goes eight and four on the season, and they
have a home win against Michigan, a home win against Auburn,
that should be seen as a great year. But because
Oklahoma fans are like boxing fans. They're used to their
teams winning eleven and twelve and minimum ten games. It's
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really hard to convince people, no, no, you had a
great year. You just played a tougher schedule than you've
ever played, right, that's my argument, my argument and buyer,
maybe this is meaning to you because you're as big
or a bigger college football fan than I am. I
think one of the reasons we, even as hardcore college
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fell fans, but especially the mainstream fan, we are gonna
end up with very likely at most one undefeated team,
and it might be Ohio State, might be Okay or
Ohio State Indiana. One of those two teams will probably
end up undefeated, maybe nobody else does. And then we're
arguing over these two and three loss teams. The regular
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season games don't matter as much because you can drop
one or even drop two and still survive. And then
it takes away from the perception of their greatness, not
the reality of it, the perception of how good they
are because they have two and three losses next their name,
even though they're playing a far more difficult schedule than
teams in the past played.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Okay, that's my argument, doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I do think.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
I do think that it is along the lines of
what Lane Kiffin had previously said on if we're looking
at these teams ten and two teams, nine to three
teams maybe better than eleven and one teams. And I
think that his point is from the SEC and the
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schedule that they play, that he feels that there's a
lot more opportunities for losses. And I think that that's
why we actually have a committee to decipher those things.
It's why we look at non conference schedule. But I
do think that your point of do we not look
at say we'll just use Ole Miss for an example
of them being ten and two as not being as
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elite because of those two blemishes, Yeah, I think we
do look at it that way. I think we've actually
always looked at it that way in college football, and
now it's more magnified. In fact, the undefeated team was
a lot of times looked at much more in a nicer,
better fashion than anybody with a loss. And if you
would even look at the college football playoff rankings right now, Doug,
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which is the reason why we're supposed to have this committee,
I don't think that it's any surprise that you have
three unbeatens in the top three, and then you have
eight and one, eight and one, nine and one, nine
and one, eight and one. So they're just grouping everybody
by losses, and when you have a curved number with
your loss, you are going to look like you are
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inferior to the team that doesn't have a loss or
just has that one loss.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, which I think it's a part of human nature
that you and I are admitting, and I don't know
if everybody admits. Is that again, like this Oklahoma team,
if they're in the Big twelve, my expectations, right and
if Texas, what even if Texas was in the Big
twelve and they have one loss right there, eight and one,
with the one loss being the exact same loss to Texas,
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it's viewed.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Greater than the one with two losses. Now, it just is.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
And it's one of the things that we've done with
boxing for a long times, Like, yeah, we fought a
bunch of tomato cans.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, but he's.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Thirty three, and oh, it's like the at least thirty
three and oh, like yeah, but he fought he fought
like three guys that were missing an eye one guy
was missing a hand, you know. I mean think of
Floyd mayweathery Floyd Mayweather. If you ask boxing people, no
one will say Floyd Mayweather's the greatest fighter of all time.
He's really really smart and he was really really smart
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at the fight game. From this perspective, his last ten years,
he didn't fight anybody who had any chance of beating him.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
None.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Even when he thought fought Manny Pacquiao, he waited like
three years. And of course when he fought Pacyo, he
had the bad shoulder, but he waited out Pacio till
Pacio was out of his prime and was kinvin ol'man
and there's no way he could lose.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
He didn't fight any bud that.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Could beat him, and so when you look at his record,
yeah he's undefeated, but I mean he kind of stopped
fighting people and knew how to win fights and used
his brain for the last ten years of his his
ownership of whatever division. Whereas you know, you go to
the Julio Cesar Chavez, like how many fights do you fight?
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
But he's you know, the layman would never say that
guy is the greatest fighter ever because he's got like
six seven loss like yeah, he fought like one hundred
times and he fought a bear once that was hungry.
I just Jason and I were talking today was I
was like, it's a good college for all weekend. Matter
of fact, it's a great college for all weekend. You
got a bunch of ranked teams, you got some, you
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got a big game of the SEC, you got Iowa
SC's interesting. I'm interested in a bunch of these things.
But there's no oomph to it. Were in November, this
is college football's time, and it's like, yeah, it doesn't
really matter they lose. The good teams are still going
to play in the playoff anyway. And it really has
And then the numbers change and it really has taken
away from the elite teams because so many of them
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have a loss. Now going to sustain two, gonna stain
three losses because all the good teams are now in
you know, one of two leagues.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Really And not to focus on ole Miss, but the
one part where I will differentiate from you is to
your point of ole Miss making the postseason with maybe
two losses on their schedule.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
If they end up losing.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Like I would say that loss at Georgia and what
a magnificent game.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It was.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
If they win that game, now we're talking about whow
is there a changing of the guard and the ole Miss?
Ole Miss knocked off Georgia. Can they do the same
if they would face Alabama in the championship game. It's
Lane Kiffin, it's all of that. I think that there
would be a lot more hype about that. But I
think it just changed our conversation about Ole Miss. So
then when they go and beat Oklahoma, that's a really
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really big win. But maybe we didn't look at it
as as big of a win because they were coming
off of the loss from the previous week. So maybe
we unfortunately Burial Miss because we just pushed them aside.
I'm not saying that we did, but just that one
blemish now in their in their lost column. But that
game against Oklahoma was very very big for them, and
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so now Ole Miss maybe just has this different look.
I think it's the point of if they lose, we
have to look at their other games differently. Oregon is
a great example of this past weekend of when they
just go and are able to pull off that crazy
win against Iowa. It would have been a lot different
if Oregon was unbeaten in that scenario, right, like all
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of a sudden, here's an unbeaten squad and we're like, man,
they were taken to the task, just like Indiana was
to Penn State. But I would almost say what India,
what Oregon accomplished, was much bigger than what Indiana accomplished
this past weekend.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
But I think Iowa, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yes, yes, hell yeah, hell yes.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
But we look at the Indiana comeback and the Gus
Johnson call and say that was amazing, Like Oregon's accomplishments
to win that game were much bigger than what Indiana accomplished.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
You and I completely agree, But because they have a
loss next to their name, you're like.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
And I would also say it's because it's Iowa. And
no matter what, people are always going to doubt Iowa
because they think Iowa couldn't score, and in that particular game,
they couldn't. It was a great football game, a great
football game. It's like it's like I think I said
that on group text. Not all ten to seven games
are bad games. Some ten seven games, the one on
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Thursday Night Football last week was the Iowa.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
The Iowa game was not.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
It was just a well played, not great offensive, hard hitting.
It was a good football game, and then Oregon really,
on one pass completed late, ends up kicking a field
goal to win it.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I know it's ifs and butts, but if Iowa had
won that game, and if they were to win on
Saturday against USC in one out, if they won their
final game, they would be in the playoff.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Why are you guys doing this to me?
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Just?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I know, I know, but but I guess Sam, do you?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I understand you look at it through a lens of
an Iowa fan, But is what we're saying making sense?
And I don't think it's the only reason. Like somebody
tweeted at us too many stoppages. It's true, it's a
harder to watch game because there's so many more plays
and there are a lot of stoppages, but that's more
in stadium than anything else. In stadium, stoppages are just death,
it's really really.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
They've done a better job though with RU I mean,
adding the two minute warning I'm not a fan of,
but they've done a better job in changing rules to
try to make things go faster.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yes, yes, and the clock running now as opposed to
stopping with every incomplete pass is better. Otherwise you were
getting four and a half hour games. It was interminablie. Yeah,
I'm talking about more of perception, lead up to games,
reaction to games. It's just changed because of look, they're
all professionals now, everybody bets on them now.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
A lot of things have changed.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But one of the major parts of changes we don't
we rarely will end with no losses or one losses
and every game really really matters. Whereas the teams with
no losses, they can lose the game or maybe two
over the last month of the season and still make
the college fell playf and we never had that before.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
I'm okay with that, though, I'm okay with the relative
lack of drama right now. I think, you know, we
I think that if you take care of business in
the first half of the season and you're undefeating, you
lose a game or two in November, I still think
that that's, you know, your resume should hold up.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I have argued that, and it's up to the fan.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
It's maybe their responsibility, but there are games on the
schedule that you don't realize are important games. I remember
last year, I think it was Illinois Nebraska. Maybe it
was the year before they played a Friday night game,
maybe late September, early October, but they were both had
really good records at that time.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I think it was last season, and that.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Essentially could have been a college football playoff elimination game
for whoever wins that contest. And I think that's we
almost have to change our thinking towards this and how
we're looking at these because there are more games there.
There's no doubt there are more games that are meaningful.
They may not mean as much, but there are more
games that are meaningful. With this current format in college football.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
There are more games meaningful, and there are more and
there are more games that are meaningful, but their final
score is not. It's a it's just a different way
of doing something which we've all been fans of since
my birth right, and it's different to cheer for it.
It's like, wait, what matters? What doesn't matter? It's very
confusing and and Sam, to your point, you're right, the
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drama is kind of cooked, baked in, and the last
couple of weeks are going to be great. But that's
not what college football has always been. That's the big.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Thing I've always enjoyed.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
I was just gonna say, I've I've always I've always
been a proponent of allowing teams to lose a game
or two.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
No, no, no, listen again, you're right.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I mean the truth is that now we're allowing coaches
to have their teams of right, that's you should be well, Doug.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Look at Iowa losing at Iowa State early on by
a field goal and then losing by five really seven
to Indiana, and then they had a chance if they
had beaten Oregan to put themselves back in the conversation,
and that grace I think is a good thing to
be allowed.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I agree. I'm just telling you that's never how college
football was.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I know, I know, I like it matters.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And you lose one, you're like, oh my god, we
may be done. You lose two, it's over now. It's
like you lose two, like I don't lose a third,
But it all depends on who that third is too,
and what everybody else does.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Yeah, I'm not I'm definitely. I don't think Iowa was
in the conversation. But I look at a team like Vanderbilt,
like there have two losses, and like the teams that
are kind of right on the you know, right on
the edge of making the playoff. They're the ones that
have the best plots going on right now, like the
greatest drama.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
This is the best of the Done Dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
So here's the question, all right, the argument, it's not
even an argument. The reality is that the Dallas Mavericks
fired Nico Harrison because at home games it got to
be too much fire Nico. And again, let's just be honest.
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Anthony Davis's hurt, Kyrie Irving is hurt. Team looks like crap, right,
So is.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
That a logical reason?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
And again I'm actually I wouldn't do it, But I
think that Jason Sewart brings up a great point where
Jaysus like, look in any other business, the customer is right.
This is a customer based business. The customers were furious
with Nico Harrison, blamed him for the trade. He essentially
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is responsible for the trade. Doesn't matter if they got
if it went up the ladder that it had to
stuck Outleb show here on Fox Sports Radio, we hait
the Nico Harrison thing one second, one point a billion
sounds light for the Padre, right, it sounds light for
the Padres. But whatever, Maybe they don't own their stadium
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and they're in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Feels like a bargain.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Like if I had one point eight billion dollars, I
think the Padres would be a damn goodbye byer.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Let me get your opinion. Okay, actually, let's just do this, Jason.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I thought it was such a really good point, and
I know I sort of made it, but I wasn't
your voice your words if you could so, Dan.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Can hear it from out of your mouth? Is that
essentially it?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
The customer is always right, and the customer has clearly
stated they don't want Nico Harrison running the Mavericks. It
shouldn't be that big a deal that the Mavericks did
what the customer wants, which is what you're supposed to
do when running a business.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I think that my take is a little bit different
than the customer's always right. I know that's the cliche
and it sounds good, but I think that what my
take was is this, this became an untenable situation. Untenable
they the players were being distracted at their own home
games by hatred for the general manager. This became untenable
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in the building where your consumers go, for your players
to play in front of that crowd, and the ownership
basically said, we're going to not only listen to our
fans that we made an awful mistake, probably, but we're
also going to make this more tenable by eliminating this distraction.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
So the question Dan is do you agree with that
premise as to why you make the move.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I mean I felt that Nico Harrison did not do
his job the moment he traded Luca. And some people
say that your job as a general manager is to
win championships, and that may seem like the obvious, but
I don't think that. I think that Mavericks fans again
would rather just be able to have Luca be their
guy for the next fifteen years, and if they don't
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win a championship then so be it.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
They just but would they really.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Like again, I understand, I know they have said that. Okay,
but let's just say let's let's let's build.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Let me build the.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Scenereio for me, Okay, for you, Dan, Let's say he
continues to come in heavy and on and off with
injuries because he's carrying too much weight and he's really good,
but they don't win a championship. Do you think they
would be the same level of fandom form.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I think that they they They absolutely adored him.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Maybe I shouldn't have said the next fifteen years, but
I would say for the next five years they wanted
Luka Doncic to be their guy.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
And so that's really.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
So even and by the way, we're not even talking
about the crappy package they got in return.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
So, but that's completely separate to Jason's point and of
Cooper Flag's mom saying like, yes, stop chanting fire Nico
when we're shooting free throws, like like to that point,
like that's where it finally, yeah, finally got to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I just think that.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Danie Jeremiah joins this year on the Doug Gottlieb Show DJ,
we're talking about how Jason stated, and I do agree
with this idea. It's a little bit of the customers
always right. He was just like, hey, look, it was
untenable in Dallas. Dan agreed, like, untenable in Dallas. Here's
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my perspective on it, guys, which I had not yet shared.
I sat in the bleachers and Lambeau and I listened
to what I think are great football fans, Like they're
not on the phones, they're not worried about other stuff.
Obviously it's a Monday night, so we're about fantasy football.
But I mean, by the end of the game, every
member of the Green Bay Packers should be cut, every
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coach should be fired. And they lined up and lost
on a fairly unmakeable sixty five yard field goal with
the win at at their back, and they're five to
three and one on the season. My point is that
when I was sitting there, I listened to the fans,
and I felt dumber because of it. I just did,
because they they now have some they have some a
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lot more information than they ever have, but they think
they have everything, and look, I was I My difference
is I'm a fan, but I admit I don't know why,
Like why weren't they throwing the ball? More like, well,
they lost their left tackle and they lost their tight end,
and the tight end they replaced their left tackle with
can't block, and so they didn't want Jordan Love to
get to get blindsided every time. Where are you on
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the untenable nature of the Mavericks, and that's ultimately what
led to them changing GMS.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
I think anytime if you move on from a you know,
base of the franchise, you know type transcendent type player,
the stakes are very very high, no question, and the
challenges when you look throughout all all sports, it's very
rarely that when you trade one of those guys and
you can go to one Soto and baseball, you can
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go through all the different sports that you know. Normally,
even if you've got a great haul, which they didn't there,
you're not going to be able to approximate the value
in the stardom that just walked out the door. So
anytime you do that, it's just a very dangerous proposition,
even if you can justify it, but you feel like
it's the right move and you've got to go in
that direction. But he just he was never going to
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be able to overcome that. You know, he was as
a general manager, he was going to be the point
person there. He was going to be viewed as as
the reason why their face of the franchise is no
longer there. And that's that's just throughout all sports. That's
difficult to work through.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I'll tell you the opposite side of his Landerfields got
fired as GM of the Hawks, and he didn't make
that move. And look, I don't think that. I don't
think that Trey Young is anywhere in the solar system
of Luca. But he's as popular in Atlanta as Luca
is in Dallas. And by not pulling that trade, they
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accepted their faith as never achieving much and he got fired.
So you can be damned if you do, damned if
you don't. Okay, but what about the Packers? Was it
because they were down left tackle on a tight end?
Like why were they so conservative on Monday Night?
Speaker 8 (27:17):
I don't know. I mean, that's that was just kind
of bizarre to me. I just think when you're playing
the better teams and on the bigger stages, especially when
you get into the postseason. Again, I don't think this
is just football. I think it's all sports. Aggression is
usually rewarded. And to me that I think they're to
that place as a franchise, like they're ready to go
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right now. This is their window, this is their time.
It's not time to be cautious, it's time to be aggressive.
And they've done that in personal it's time to do
that now on the field and their play style, So
that to me has been a little bit of a disconnect.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Okay, what about the what about the other side? Okay,
the other side was the Eagles Again, I walk away.
They win the game really on two offensive plays, right
Sagua out in the flat and then the unbelievable throw
and catch to to DeVante Smith. But I actually understand
aj Brown's argument to a certain extent, like he had
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two completely nondescript catches. It's it's like they don't even
try and feature him. Why is their offense not just
so pedestrian, but pedestrian despite the fact they have some
really talented pieces.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
I just think that's the way that the quarterback likes
to play football, and it's, you know, about making him comfortable.
And I speak out of both sides of my mouth
here because I talked about the need to be aggressive,
but they are aggressive with him, and they have been
in super Bowls and on some big stages, but it
hasn't really been required for them to navigate the regular season.
(28:47):
And this is just kind of the mundane, boring brand
of football that they play that's been rewarded with success
so I totally understand AJ Brown is a you know,
lead elite player who could be piling up tons and
tons of numbers elsewhere. But you know, I've never had
I've never had an interview with the player when they're
coming to the draft process where when you ask him,
(29:09):
would you rather, you know, have the individual stats and
success or win a Super Bowl. I mean, they all
give the lip service so they want to win a
super Bowl. But this is kind of a this is
like truth theorem to AJ Brown because that's playing this
way is how they've won super Bowls and it's how
they think they can do it this year. But it's
going to be at the sacrifice of his numbers and
his personal success.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Brian Dabele fired, What was your reaction?
Speaker 8 (29:33):
I think it was, you know, look, I think you
can you can understand the tough spoties in with the
injuries they've had and some of the roster limitations, but
I also see the side of it where they've just
blown games, where they've had opportunities, even with the limited personnel,
to put games away and they haven't been able to
do that. And I think the uh, you know to
me and I don't. I don't talk to anybody in
(29:53):
that organization. But this almost feels like an audition for
Matt Kavka, not as the future head coach, but potentially
as the future you know, offensive play caller with the
keys to the car, with the relationship with Jackson Dart
that they don't want to disrupt, and they can go
out and maybe hire a defensive head coach and keep
some continuity for a young quarterbacks. He doesn't have to
(30:15):
start completely over. So I mean, I get it from
that standpoint.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
All right, I'll give you three teams really good records,
but no one actually thinks they're any good. You tell
me how they rank one, two three, right, Seahawks, Seahawks, Broncos,
Colts one two three, who's the best?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Who's the worst?
Speaker 8 (30:34):
I will go Seahawks, Colts, Broncos, Broncos third, just because
offense is not has not been clicking, and you know,
with Bownick still has some stuff to prove there. Defense
is really really good, ultra ultra aggressive. I'm anxious to
see how they do against the end of City this week.
But I do love the defensive side of the ball.
I think the Cults are, you know, a complete offense.
(30:57):
The best offense I've seen all year. Whether Broncos are
the best defense I've seen all year, And I think
the Seahawks at the top of the list for me,
because I think they have the most balanced team. I
think they can they can beat you different ways. Offensively,
they ran the ball well last week. They've got JSN
who's playing great, Sam's playing great. And defensively, they have
waves and waves of defensive front players they can throw
(31:18):
at you. And uh, and I think Leonard Williams is
complete stud I think they're really good at all three levels.
I think they're the most complete of those three teams.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Okay, what where are we with the Chargers? Right?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
They they've won three in a row despite all these injuries.
But now Jacksonville on the road is a tough one. Uh,
then Raiders, then Eagles, which is and then Den Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Uh. They st have to go to the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
How are they you know they going to be able
to keep him upright, considering how decimated that offensive line
has been.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
Yeah, I actually think and I know that people will
look at the PFS stats and such. I know that
kind of made the rounds, But I think the last
couple of weeks the offensive line has played better, or
they're running the ball, which is big. Herbert's kind of
ran himself into a couple of these sacks yep, where
he's trying to climb up into the pocket and it's
kind of got caught in no man's land. So I
think offensively, the fact that the interior is healthy now
(32:13):
and then they can help out the tackles. They're learning
how to play with this offense. When I'm scooting the
ball out to the perimeter quick, they're running the ball.
So this is a three week period. They needed to
win these three games, and they got the first one
down with the Steelers. If they could beat Jacksonville this week,
and I think it's the Raiders after right, and you'd
be did that put him at ten? All right? You know,
(32:33):
right around ten ten wins, I think that you kind
of punt punch your ticket and then it's okay, see
if you can maybe try and steal the division down
the stretch. But the first goal is just win these
three games and kind of secure your playoff spot.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, you get to get to the bye week, you know,
you get to this bye week after they play, after
they play the Jags, and see what more you can
get get health wise. Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
this one's this one's sort of interesting to me. What
do you think the Browns do at quarterback? Because Deshaun
(33:06):
Watson's now working out?
Speaker 8 (33:11):
This funny thing is man Like, there's the preseason, there's
the pre draft. What are the Brown's gonna do at quarterback?
There's the post draft, there's the start of camp. There's
four games into the season and there's eight. I mean,
it's like it is a soap opera with their quarterback position. Yeah, so,
I mean, I don't know. I mean, I to me,
I guess I'd want to get another look at Watson
(33:32):
just to see if somehow he could recapture what he
once was. But I mean, it still feels like their
quarterback of the future is not in the building right now.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
That's correct, he's the one only. Daniel Jeremaia, DJ, you're
the best man. I really appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Hey, if you want to buy the patres with me,
let me know.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, how many friends do you think we need? One
or two really really rich ones? But one point, it
kind of sounds like a bargain these days.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
Yeah, No, I think if we can get the Sega
in the mix, I think we could pull it off.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
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New York Giants, head football coach. We'll talk some Chargers.
We'll talk some Chiefs. We'll talk at all with Daniel
Jeremiah later on this hour. I love that rivalry talk.
I mean, like we could have gone how many rounds
do you think we could have gone? There? Dan Byer
in that like we I forgot I didn't forget, but
(35:04):
I was like trying to measure out. And part of
my thing with Dolphins Jets was a Dolphins Bills was
great back in the day. Recently Niners and for if
you're just joining us, we did best rivalries in the NFL.
Niner Seahawks has probably been as competitive and as important
a rivalry as you can think of, but it's only
(35:26):
like fifteen to twenty years old because they weren't in
the same division until twenty years old.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Yeah, it's also a funky situation because I think there
are a lot of different options that we can go.
But honestly, because the Seahawks didn't go to the NFC
West until the early two thousands, there isn't the thirty
and forty year history that we have, but it was
right up there. And I'm the guy that's saying this
that took Steelers Ravens because of how high it was
(35:52):
at one point, and I think Seahawks forty nine ers
matched or darn near matched that rivalry between the Steelers
and Ravens.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I would I would agree.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I actually also think that's what's missing with the AFC South, Right,
You're like, why is the AFC South so wonky, feel
so weird, right, Well, Tennessee used to be the Houston others, right,
so there's I mean, they've been there for a long time,
but there's no like unique rivalry there with the Indianapolis
(36:21):
culture used to be the Baltimore Colts, right. The Jaguars
were a team that they've been around for thirty five
years or so, right, So it's just interesting that that
division lacks the rivalries all the other divisions, even though
some divisions have broken up some rivalries.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Of the past.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Here's here's the I don't want to say dirty little
secret about the AFC South because the NFC South also
kind of a newer division, if you will. But the
Houston Texans being the newest team you talked about the
move of the Titans and the Jaguars being new as well.
I think that it's kind of a mix because the
Colts were the AFC East at one point. The Oilers
(36:59):
when they played were in the AFC Central when they
were in Houston, So you lost all of those rivalries. Heck,
Houston and Cleveland, Cincinnati and Cleveland, like those were great
rivalries within that division, a division that the Steelers were in.
And this is the nineteen eighties, so they're really hurt
by it. Also, I mentioned Falcons Saints. Yeah, Falcon Saints
were in the NFC West together. It's a built in
(37:21):
rivalry that carries over to the NFC South. So that's
got a little bit more equity than Tampa coming over
from the NFC Central or just the Panthers being new
and I know the Panthers for a while we're in
the NFC West, but just not as much equity as
the other two teams.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
But it does make sense though, right Like you have
the AFC South, you're always trying to figure out, like
why is that the forgotten division? And I forgot the
point that the Houston Texans are the newest team in
the NFL, the Jaguars part of the other the second
and third newest teams in the NFL, and then the
other two teams in division that's not their traditional home
(37:58):
nor their traditional division. So you have all this kind
of move it's there's there's a reason.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I also think that the AFC South road on the
shoulders of Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts for so long.
And it's not to say that the Titans didn't have
good teams with Steve McNair and Eddie George, or that
Jacksonville didn't have good teams. But the fact is is
the Colts winning that division and having Peyton Manning, they
(38:24):
were a top team in that in that conference, in
that league, or you know, in the league. And now
Peyton's gone and there's really nobody there with that cachet anymore.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
And and you brought up a point that is not
has not been brought up by anybody else, myself included
in sports radio. We everyone talks about the Patriots. They
just dominated their division. Their divisions stunk. Says the exact
same thing about the AFC South Peyton Manning, right, because
because look, you had a couple of years of the
Jets being good. Often on the Dolphins have been decent
(38:58):
or whatever. But for the most part during those twenty years,
it was the Pats. Remember the Bills went through thirteen
years of not making the playoffs, and the same is
true with the With the Colts. It's one of those
things where it didn't seem like they were in the
playoffs every year. They were in the playoffs every year,
and they would never meet almost never meet in the
first playoff game because they both won their division every year.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Really interesting. It's a doug out the show.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
He's Dan Byer, Jason Stewart's the producer, Iowa Sam is
on the board and the ones and twos, and what
we like to do on Thursdays is, well, we throw
it back, but we just don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
We look back on one of the years of the past.
And with that we turned over to Chase.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
You know what happened ten years ago. Ten years ago,
the term fits magic came to be a thing. You
guys remember Fitzmagic. Well, you're gonna see him on TV tonight.
He's the zany guy with the long beard in those
crazy clothes. Doesn't have a lot of interesting things to say,
but he looks zany.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
So he's on TV.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
Fitzmagic took hold ten years ago. Guys, they're playing the Jets,
were playing the Patriots as they are tonight, and the
Jets won twenty six to twenty in overtime. Ryan Fitzpatrick
led an ot TV after a curious decision by Bill
Belichick to kick in overtime. Now, if you remember the
(40:36):
old rules, if you score first, you win sudden death,
and Bill Belichick's confidence in his defense maybe blinded his spirit. Anyways,
the Patriots would lose that game. The Jets kept their
playoff hopes alive. The Patriots would go on in that
twenty fifteen season to lose to the eventual champion Broncos
(40:58):
in the conference championship game. What a year, What a season.
It was the year of Cam Newton who won the MVP,
Dan Bayer. Anything else to add about that twenty fifteen
NFL season or anything else.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Absolutely, because we talk about now the NFL schedule, at
least I believe with the seventeen games, I feel like
it added three or four more weeks to the actual season.
It's going to be really difficult for a team to
go unbeaten. However, the Carolina Panthers were fourteen and oh
at one point during that campaign just a decade ago.
They lost in Week sixteen to the Atlanta Falcons, ended
(41:34):
up fifteen and one, ultimately lost the Super Bowl. But
it's as close as we've gotten to a team really
challenging the Patriots for their sixteen and oh record. The
Carolina Panthers fourteen and oh in the regular season fifteen
and one, on their way to their let's just call
it runner up appearance in the NFL as they lost
Super Bowl fifty.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, and that was a Super Bowl occurred in two
thousand six. Team Remember that year they played a really
soft schedule. I believe only one team with the winning record.
They played all season long, all season long.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Twenty fifteen in the NBA gave us a Golden State
Warrior Championship. The Warriors beat the Calves in six games
that year, and you're like, wait, which Warrior team was that?
That was the one with Andrea Goodala winning the MVP
where they when they beat the Calves. That was when
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Kyrie Irving hurt his knee in regulation of Game one,
didn't play in overtime or in the rest of the
series after that, and the Golden State Warriors Andrea Godala,
who is like the fifth guy that didn't guard him,
got a bunch of dunks in some threes in the
last couple of games.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Ends up being the.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
League's Also that year, twenty fifteen, in college basketball, the
Duke Blue Devils cut down the nets, winning the National
Championship all because of a halftime interview done by Mike Krzyzewski.
That's what you'll you'll get if you ask Wisconsin Badger
(43:09):
fans as Wisconsin was in the National championship game that year,
or please.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Everyone be quiet.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Tias Jones was one of the heroes, the point guard
for the Duke Blue Devils. Tias Jones is from Minneapolis
where I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
So that was the Wisconsin Duke National Championship game.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Do you know what he's talking about with the interview
about the officiated a half time and suddenly du gout
every call in the second half.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
Man, I remember a lot about that Wisconsin team though,
because wasn't Kentucky undefeated prior? Yes, and Wisconsin took him
out And if Frank the Tank Cominsky, it was.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
The payback from the year prior when Kentucky knocked out
Wisconsin in the National semi final.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Man, that Wisconsin absolutely. Who was the other stud on
the Wisconsin team? Decker? Yes, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
She lives in Sheboygan, Sheboygan's own.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
Let's head to the Diamond, folks, where the Royals won
their first World Series title, uh in forty years.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
How we Forgibbs.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
That was the year after they went to the Was
that the year they beat the Mets?
Speaker 5 (44:18):
Right, they beat the Mets that year? Yep, yep, they
lost to the Giants the year before. Now the Mets team,
of course beat the Dodgers in the NLC. Yes, that
was the series where Chase Utley broke the leg of
the shortstop going in high and changed the rule forever.
You can't go near that fielder now because of Chase Sutley.
(44:39):
In the twenty fifteen NLCS.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Uh one correction, it was the n l DS.
Speaker 5 (44:45):
That's when I met ds ps.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
They beat the Cubs in the CS.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
Oh, the rise of the Cubs was also a story
that year. Yeah, yes, good point. Remember Ronda Rousey.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, do you remember rond Yeah?
Speaker 5 (44:59):
You did her strike that year a year of Ronda
Rousey and women's I just heard Joe Rogan the other
day said that that Dana White is more than willing
or was more than willing to never have a women's
division because it's it's really unsightly to see women beating
the crap out of women, but na rowse.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
A void the punches, so they just come out looking
honestly like their their face was stuck through like a
meat processor. And just the post fight interviews for Women's
MMA is really tough on the eyes.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
Yeah, what's that one meme that's been floating around for
a few years, just the woman all bruised up and
she's like, yeah, I feel great, I'm doing okay, I'm good,
I'm good, doing great, feel great. Rona Rowsey, she she
got beating so many people because she just come out
and pummel you. And then she was beating up on
I think opponents were lesser than and then she went
up against like Holly Holm, and she kind of drifted
(45:56):
away from the scene. Now she's doing mostly acting, I
think in pro wrestling, but she's you know, she's still around.
But she had a nice, nice little uh surge there.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Just I hate to be that guy. No, I don't.
Isn't pro wrestling acting as well?
Speaker 5 (46:11):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (46:11):
Absolutely, with a little bit probably more probably more next
Nick Aches and you know Pains Well.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
I know the folks in the Pacific Northwest wish the
USGA would have acted better when it came to course
conditions of the twenty fifteen us Open held at Chambers Bay.
But what you couldn't do is deny the finish put
on by Jordan Speith and Dustin Johnson. Speith, looking to
go back to back majors after winning the twenty fifteen Masters,
(46:38):
was in the group ahead of Dustin Johnson, settled for
Bertie on the fifteenth, So when Eagle would win it
for DJ, A Bertie forces playoff and DJ's putt ran
about five feet past the hole for Eagle on the
par five eighteenth, maybe not even five feet, maybe three
and a half feet. He missed the comebacker in Jordan
(46:59):
Speith when a second major of the year at Chambers.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Bay wasn't that was is that when the Shark was
still doing commentary.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Was the first year of it. That was the first
year of and and he choked.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
And they didn't ask Greg Norman about choking when Greg
Norman is synonymous with choking.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
I think they didn't.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
He just said I don't know, or yeah, good question,
something like that, like what's going through his mind right now?
Speaker 5 (47:28):
Interesting? You bring up Dustin Johnson, by the way, just quickly.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
I can't remember because I was there and then I
got to play Chambers Bay the next day, So all right,
I'm to you, Jason.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Nice, nice, humble Bragg.
Speaker 5 (47:38):
I like it was the first Harry Potter buck took
place Chambers Bay, Harry Potter humor out there.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
You know you have a Harry Potter mon you got,
you got a Harry Potter.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
Harry Potter mouth of it. It's funny you bring up
Dustin Johnson because you know, Justin Johnson is known for golf,
but he's also known for his sweaty wife, the daughter
of Wayne Gretzky, And he loved this song in twenty
fifteen because he loves the taste of women. It went
something like this, this is the song Sugar by Maroon
(48:21):
five at the top of the charge for five weeks
in twenty fifteen. It was the second number one hit
for Maroon five. Of course everyone remembers Maps the year before,
but yeah, Dustin Johnson loved this song. It's about tasting
women and how sweet that sugar is. Great song, great
(48:45):
year for music. What happened in the in movies as
we try to get to.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
A well in movies.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
In movies, the number one draw at the box office
was Star Wars episode episode the II, Sorry Horse Awakens.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
You know I've never seen any of those new Star
Wars movies. I didn't see any of them. Yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Seven was really good. Okay, Jurassic World because the world
needs more dress.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Should we get Ryan Smith in here?
Speaker 2 (49:13):
There may there may be another Jurassic Who knows we.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
Can we can end those I think we can't. We can't.
My son loves that stuff.
Speaker 6 (49:21):
Well, he can go back and watch all nine of
them now.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
It was also, Hey, Hunger Games two was that year
that was going mocking Jay really good, good, And I
gotta tell you one of the most inventive Pixar films,
inside Out, Inside Out, Inside Out is a good one.
Speaker 6 (49:39):
Didn't they make a sequel a year or two ago
and everyone freaked out about it. It's about like your
feelings and stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
That's what inside out right right?
Speaker 3 (49:45):
Okay? Got you?
Speaker 1 (49:46):
But yeah, it's it's a further Yes, there's a there's
an inside Out too. Ant Man was that year as well.
Speaker 5 (49:52):
Man, I didn't see any of those movies. DiCaprio, we
have Dicapriole won his first Oscar for the Revenant. The Revenant,
Love the Revenant, Love the You know. He's also good
in that movie.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Is a Hardy.
Speaker 6 (50:04):
Tom Hardy plays a real evil like Cowboy, great great movie.
The Revenant slow, not a lot of dialogue, but fantastically
shot film.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
It's one of the rare.
Speaker 5 (50:15):
Times that the Oscars where the director won and didn't
win Best Picture because the Best Picture went to Spotlight.
So kind of a light comedy about the Catholic church
abusing children. That's a good that's a good movie. It's
a very good movie comedy.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
I believe Narcos launched in twenty fifteen too. That was
like one of the of the of the big streaming shows,
like that was a big one that that a lot
of people Empire. Narcos was that year. Better Call Saul
was that year, which course is a prequel to uh,
(50:50):
what's it Help me?
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Help me?
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Breaking Bad?
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Breaking Bad? Yeah, prequel of Baking Bad.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
So there's some good shows on TV on this streaming
service in twenty fifteen. That's probably the first year we
got full streaming. And that is don't call it throwback Thursday.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
Don't call it a throwback
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.