November 17, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug talks about the Sunday Night Football game between the Eagles and the Lions and all of the questionable play-calling between two of the top teams in the NFL. Doug weighs in on Shedeur Sanders and his NFL debut. Doug welcomes former Chargers General Manager Tom Telesco onto the show to talk about Shedeur Sanders, the Eagles and all of the headlines around the NFL today. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Big Deal, Little Deal or No Deal?".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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We're sort of by coastal Midwestern whatever. I'm in Green Bay.
They're in Sherman Oas, California. Jay Stew's here, Dan Byers here, Iowa.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Sam is here. We got the entire crew. Spectacular college
football weekend, fun college basketball weekend, and uh yeah, what
we thought has come true for the most part. In
the NFL, although we still have to have questions now
about the kansasitate Chiefs, and maybe some of those answers
have been answered with the Denver Broncos. Can you win
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ugly against the elite teams of the NFL, not just
the bottom team? So the NFL welcome, Welcome in. I
went to Eagles Packers Monday Night. And that's a little
bit of a humble brag, but it's also setting for
you context of it, and the context should be that
one of the things I offered up this week and
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the questioning Green Bay all week and even yesterday when
the Packers beat the Giants and Jordan Love looked great,
is why were the Packers so conservative on Monday Night?
And they kept running the football with Josh Jacobs instead
of letting Jordan Love throw the ball. The other takeaway
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from Monday Night was having been there, I didn't think
that they utilized that the Eagles utilized AJ Brown at all.
And I'm not an AJ Brown guy, I'm not an
Eagle fan, but for a guy who I think all
of us deemed to be very, very talented, you would
think that they would use him even as a decoy
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or focus upon him and make somebody take him away.
And it wasn't like the Packers didn't pay attention to him,
but it wasn't like they were throwing three guys his
way the way you would with like a Jamar Chase.
So fast forward to last night, Sunday Night Football where
the Eagles take on the Lions and the Lions. They
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couldn't block at all, couldn't block at all, and aj
Brown was the focal point season nine eleven targets was
a big focal point of the Eagles offense. And then
you have the Lions offense. What went wrong there? I'm
going to start with the Lions offense because, again, I
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when you're coaching, and quite frankly, when you're calling plays
in coaching, this is something that I'm very well equipped
to talk about. Even though basketball and football are are different,
there's some similarities. One of the things that's similar and Buyer,
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I don't know if you and I have talked about this,
but I pattern what we do offensively after the Kansasity Chiefs.
And here's why. The Kansasity Chiefs. They don't run that
many plays, you know, again to simplify and say they
run ten plays, but they run all these different formations
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in motion so that you're you're trying to guess where
they're going or what they're doing a lot of slight
of hand and then they run power or they run something.
They run these they got their screen game is always exquisite, right, Yeah,
And so there's a million different things, but really it's
like five plays.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Gus Maul's on with Auburn going to the National championship
game against Florida State about twelve years ago.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Same thing.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, yeah, And so yes, there's simplicity and execution, but
there's also the slide of hand where you throw a
bunch of different stuff. But you're really key being it simple.
You just have to have your guys understand the Aha,
it looks different but it's really the same. And then
you know you have to read the defense within it. Well,
I'm the play caller for our team, and you can
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sit there and go like, oh, your record's fine. Like
if you think I'm about it, it's okay. But I
can tell you when I'm watching Dan Campbell, I think
he's a play caller, but I think he's calling plays
for somebody else's offense. And there's also a lack of
kind of rhythm to it. And and I'm not perfect
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with it. Okay, I've done it only AU level and
then the college level for a year, and I've helped
out other people. But if you like the way the
basketball player and football player's brain works is things have
to kind of make sense right. And I feel like
when I'm watching the Lions. He has a group of
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plays that he likes based upon personnels and oh, they're
playing this, we're going to do this, if this, then that,
which is great, but there's no kind of rhythm to it.
Whereas the best of the best, the Kyle Shanahan's of
the world, they have a rhythm and a reason what
they're getting to and it may not it may be
a build up of Hey, we're running this now, so
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in the second half, we're going to get the same
look and we're going to have an exposive play and
it would be open. Whereas the Lions, it's like they're
just trying to win every play and it doesn't feel
like that works. So there's a culmination of things that
happened last night. So here's Jalen Brown asked about AJ
Brown getting more targets than usual in the game, including
one in which he quit on the play late.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah, just going with the flow of the game and
how it was called and trying to go out there
and extra qut.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
So it wasn't like effort to get him football.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And may be a KP question, KP being his offensive coordinator.
Here's Nick Sirianni about AJ Brown getting more involved.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
We're always trying to get Aj involved, always, always, always, always,
and the game play is played differently each and every
week of what happens. So I think I don't think
I've been shy about saying this. The game plan is
always going to start in the passing game with him
and DeVante and in Dallas, and so we're always trying
to do that and get him the football. And that's
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the way play game played out a little bit today.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Can I just point out Dan that Sirianni did it again?
Going forward on fourth down with three minutes to go
in your own territory is just dumb.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, that one, It's just dumb.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Like listen and and I get it. You like you
go like, oh, you won five games as a coach. Yeah,
and I know that there's no possibly when your defense
is completely and utterly dominating the game and it's a
two score game, all you gotta do is punt the football.
And if they want to score, fine, then they got
to find a way to get the ball back and
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get to get instead. You know, the Lions could do
nothing and end up settling for a field goal. Could
have kicked field goal right away. Yes, you know if
not for a winning night and then had tons of
time to get a stop and maybe maybe even you know,
have given up a couple first downs. They you know,
they they had plenty of opportunities and it was gifted
to them by going forward. And it's the second straight
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week he's done it, second straight week and they've won
both games. It does not make the process correct, right,
I mean, like, I'm not anti Nick Seriani. I'm not
sitting here trying to like, you know, if you want
to find a flall with a coach, you can find one.
I'm just telling you, like, there's no reason. There was
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no reason last week, with like two twenty five to
go for them to throw the ball on second down. None,
you run the ball, get it to the two minute warning,
and then every play after that they got to call timeouts, right,
everybody knows that. And the Packers would have used their
timeouts on the other side the two minute warning, so again,
mission would have been accomplished. But the Packers got the
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ball back, had plenty of time. They actually got it
back a second another time. Right, That's how much time
he left on it. It's like he wants the game
to be close, and I know he doesn't. But that's
how bad those decisions were.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I felt it was a unifying time in America that
outside of Eagles and Packers and maybe Bears fans, that
everybody was so happy that the Lions not only stopped
the Eagles, it was on a tush push play. Like,
not only was it a stupid play to even go
for it in that scenario, but it happened on a
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tush push play where you could say, what are you doing?
So someone stopped it, and they did it in a
ridiculously advantageous situation for that team and against the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
I had no idea.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
What he was doing, and then the camera immediately pans
to him. I mean, we heard the the AJ Brown
pass was called by Hurts and Brown in Green Bay
on Monday night. But this was just this was atrocious.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, all of it's bad. It just it doesn't make
any sense. Like you're it'd be one thing if you're like, well,
it's like the Colts back when they had Peyton Manning,
like you know what, let's put the ball in our
best player's hands and let's let him get a first down.
The same thing with Tom Brady. And this is not
to take as it takes a little shot at Jalen Hurts,
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but nobody would say that Jalen hurts. And it's not
like you haven't Jalen Hurts passed. You're going to touch push,
which has been highly highly successful. Your defense for the
second straight week has been absolutely thoroughly and completely physically
dominant over the opponent. The Lions could not block you
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at all, and you're like gifting them that kind of
field position when they got to score twice. That makes
no sense to me at all, no sense. But the
Eagles do what they They overcome what I think is
additional chances brought on by an overly aggressive offensive play call.
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And oh yeah, by the way, the Lions they got
stopped five times on fourth down five times, five times.
Everybody wants their play call or be aggressive until five
times he doesn't get it on fourth down, and oh yeah,
by the way, the Eagles were also helped out by
just an atrocious defensive pass interference. So the Lions kick
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a field goal, have a chance to get a stop,
then on third down, what would have if it play
had just gone incomplete, they would have gotten the ball
back with time to come down score a touchdown. Probably
wouldn't have done it because their offensive line could not
block the Lions. But think a listener Chris Collinsworth and
his reaction to the penalty call. Oh, come on, come on,
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that is terrible.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
That is an absolutely terrible call that it's going to
decide his football game.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
If anything, it's an offensive push. Yeah, it wasn't an
offensive push on aj Brown. It wasn't a defensive passer
fits on Rokison. It was a terrible call. I don't
know if it didn't decide the game, but it sealed
the game, right, It didn't decide the game. It sealed
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the game. The Eagles were the better football team. They
kicked the Lions ass. Forget about the final score. But
that was a terrible call to end that game. Awful.
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So Shore Sanders got to play. It wasn't very good.
It wasn't very good. Here's Shore Sanders talking about his
first naps in the NFL game.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
First and foremost I want to thank God from giving
me the opportunity to get out there. That's all you
could ask for, honestly, the chance to get out there,
get your feet wet, to experience how it feels, you know,
to even be out there with the team, with the
first group, with everybody. So I'm truly was exciting. It
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was a rough day overall, but the thing that I
was excited about is just being able to get out there.
You know, it's the first time I got hit, like
since since my last game at Colorado. So just having
that feeling back, you know, it's good.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yep, no, I get it. It is good. It's definitely good.
He was four of sixteen through a bad pick, looked overwhelmed.
Here's Rex Ryan on ESPN earlier today commenting on Shador
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and what he was doing after the game.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
He's got to get over himself too, you like, he's
there by himself on the bench at the end of
the game. I've never I've seen it in the seventh
game of World Series. When you lose a game or whatever.
This is a game, is a pillow fight game. Nobody cares.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Who cares?
Speaker 7 (13:33):
Sit back?
Speaker 8 (13:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (13:35):
Did he care?
Speaker 8 (13:36):
Or you trying to make it a show. Make it
about yourself. You've got a guy over there that, by
the way, is a two time MVP. Right there, Lamar Jackson.
He was looking for you. He was looking for you
right there.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
Why didn't share a moment with him?
Speaker 8 (13:48):
All right? All right, share a moment with Lamar. He
looking all over for you. They get in there with
your teammates. These are your teammates, all right, These are
your teammates, And talk about I'm not comfortable losing. You
think anybody in that locker room is they better not be?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, I just I don't know, Like, look, we maybe
I compartmentalized things better than other people. Okay, I didn't
like to watch ACT. I definitely knew, you know why
he didn't get drafted. I didn't think it was a
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crime against humanity that he fell in the draft or
the whole act or trying to determine and many things
he said. But what you can't do, or I don't
think you can do, is factor in those things, even
in the preseason or whatever. You know, the the miming answers,
and just let's just take yesterday. Okay, he was bad.
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It was awful. It looked it was kind of sad
to watch, Okay, but after the game in which you
play your first NFL game and you don't play well,
and you're just sitting there and it happens really, really fast.
I'm sure he's sitting there with his helmet in his hand.
He's listening, or he's got his helmet on, he's listened
all to play calls. Honestly, you're in and you're like,
I've waited my whole life, and then you get in
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there and you're terrible and your team loses again. It
comes at you really fast and you need it a minute.
I'm not holding that against him, nor will I sit
here and say definably, this is who he is as
an NFL quarterback. I've never been so infatuated with Shador
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Sanders that I wanted to claim racism or the things
that everyone's against him or whatever. What I can tell
you is, when you're a coach of somebody at his age,
and I coach people at his age, I have a
player who right now, if you saw him play like
he is not a very good basketball player, why would
you have recrured him, sign him? And yet everybody wanted him,
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me especially and my old staff were like he didn't
play this way. It's just confidence can be shattered and
hard to rebuild. And that process of trying to win
a game while the player you're playing is trying to
regain his confidence or gain his footing, it can be
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a very very difficult process. So this may surprise you,
but I'm gonna tell you it's not the end of
the world or the end. I've never been a Shador
is the greatest. He's got to be out there. He's
got his laws, he holds them all too long. He
doesn't have a super strong arm. He is really accurate.
He's he's mobile ish, but he's People think because he's
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Dion's son that he's that type of athlete. He's not.
But he does have clever mobility in the pocket. And
he was awful. He was bad, wasn't good. But he'll
get more opportunities and either he gets better and he'll
get more or he plays this way and we won't
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see him much longer in the NFL. Is that two
matter of fact, Dan Byer, should I bring in the
baggage of his actions and people acting like he should
have been the number one overall pick and whatever? And
this is the in your face, he stinks, Like I thought,
he played poorly, but again, we've seen lots of quarterbacks
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come in cold, first start and not play well. I'm
not gonna be crazy over wreck, but I could be wrong,
and it could not go in line with how much
we've talked about him previously.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yeah, I think that that's fair.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I don't know how you could expect anything from him,
to be honest, considering the lack of practice snaps that
he got with the first team. I don't know how
anybody succeeds in that situation. Maybe a fifteen year veteran
can come in and it's no problem, but for someone
who's a rookie in the National Football League, there's no
way that they could succeed. He had what four completions.
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One of the incompletions, if I mean, if it's just
a little bit more on target, they maybe score a
touchdown and tie the game. So I would take the
positives from that throw. But to answer your your question,
I think you're doing the right thing because I didn't
realize it until it was pointed out that he didn't
shake hands and didn't go off in talk with Lamar Jackson.
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And I do think that that stuff is weird. So
you're doing a much better job of separating what you
think than what I am.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I'll just again, and maybe I'm personalizing too much. And
I understand if people think it's not the same or
you don't care. Whatever. Thursday night, we go to play
Saint Thomas. I'm friends with Johnny Tower. He's the coach.
He's a great guy. He's kind of a mentoring you know.
I think he's got a doctorate whatever. He's brilliant dude.
So we play poorly. I have a player suffer a
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gruesome injury and after the game, like I just I want,
I have to go to the hospital. And two, I'm
just trying to figure out my team and my own job.
And so even sent me a text checking in on
the kid that was hurt, and I was a little
short with him for talk with him yesterday, and again
I know that's not how he normally would be, but
the context of the situation which we played poorly, I
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was upset, and I was trying to kind of get
my balance and then trying to figure out what I
need to do protocol with this kid, how to manage
my own emotions with that deal. Right, So the point
is maybe I I've built in more empathy than I should,
But I do know that guys. I have a player's
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names justin Allen. We'll talk about the sum in the pod.
He was a star in Division three, star twenty six
points a game, Carnegie Mellon. So we play against Bradley
in an exhibition and Dan he was just so nervous,
so nervous. And then we played Kansas, and like, you know,
you got to think to yourself, like you've been playing
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at a slightly above average When I'm saying above average,
I'm talking about the actual basketball team, not the school,
slightly above average Division III school, and now you're playing
at Kansas, right, And so for me, like I walk
in and you know, like I think my team and
my players and how I coach, Like I've been through
all this stuff as a player and a broadcaster, so
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it doesn't overwhelm me. So I don't I struggle to
relate to it. But the kid was shook up, Like
they're shook because they've been waiting their whole lives. They
get an opportunity and then they think they failed and
they let the world down, and it literally takes them
like two three weeks to get their confidence back, and
sometimes they don't ever get it back. And so for Shador,
my thing is when you've been the guy playing for
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your memory, played for his dad his whole life, and
then all of a sudden, now he's had to battle
and yet not getting first team reps whatever, and he's
not helping the situation. I'm not denying that, But you
go to that, to being kind of thrust into a
game first time ever and then you don't play. Well,
it's a shot at your ego, there's no question about it.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
And I am I'm much higher on how he did play,
considering the circumstances. Like I know, four of sixteen is
not great. Obviously, JJ McCarthy was one hopping passes to
receivers yesterday and we're still not talking about.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Him as much.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Sure, so like there's I think that for the couple
of throws that I saw Shador make that I thought
were really good, I was impressed. But remember last year,
the year before, he was there to be at the
handshake with Dion and j Norvell against Colorado State. Yeah,
he was sure to be at that handshake.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
No question. Yeah, suddenly disappears. I get it. I get
it you could. You know, it does become a bad
look when you when you factor all that in Tom
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Speaker 7 (22:04):
Mark Andrews under center takes a snap wheels.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Always got rolls on his own.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
He's at the thirty Andrews of the twenty ten five
touchdown Ravens. Oh, what a creative call. And Mark Andrews
goes from the push to the big bad sprint.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Now the Ravens have the lead.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
That helped my fantasy team as well, the fake fake
Bush push counter where Mark Andrews runs it in for
a touchdown. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
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us on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's start off with the most discussed fifth round pick,
potentially fourth string quarterback in the history of the universe. Obviously,
the stats look bad, but what were your thoughts as
a GM watching Shadorg Sanders and villain duty yesterday.
Speaker 9 (23:07):
Yeah, I'm sure there'll be no irrational rants or analysis
of Sugar Sanders' performance today, but just for contact, the
first thing I thought of was justin Herbert's first appearance
with his rookie year, because if you remember, and I'm
sure you do, like he didn't know until thirty seconds
before kickoff he was going to be playing in that game,
and this is week two of the season. He had
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taken probably no first team reps Week one or two.
He maybe took a couple in training camp, but not
a lot. And this was during COVID, so there are
no preseason games, so his teammates and coaches literally had
never seen him play live until at first drive against
the Chiefs. So it's not unusual for a backup quarterback
not to have a lot of work during the week.
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That's normal and I mean it shows. I mean he
got in the game and Baltimore has an excellent defense,
they're smart, they brought a lot of pressure against them,
and he did what he could. I think this is
going to work out for Cleveland because now he'll get
a full week of practice and they're gonna get a
glimpse of what maybe he can do, so they can
kind of see what they have for the future. But realistically,
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it doesn't matter at quarterback for Cleveland, whether it's Flacco,
whether it's still in Gabriel, whether it's Trador, whether it's
the legendary Bernie Kosar. Their offense just doesn't have the
infrastructure right now on the offensive line at the still
positions to be competitive yet so they will in the future.
They have a lot of AMMO. They had an awesome
draft last year, but right now there just isn't enough
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on offense around no matter who the quarterback is right
now to be productive.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I get that completely. Of course, there's no room for
rational analysis of this, but in our most rational sense,
right you have to watch for traits or things that
you can grow on or if the he just doesn't
have it right granted, limited sample size, no worktime, with
the first group and the first group isn't that good.
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But I mean, obviously you're gonna get and a deeper look.
But with half a game in what do you think.
Speaker 9 (25:06):
He showed a couple of throws which you saw in
college that piques your interests, Like, he can stand in
the pocket, you can stand tall, he can deliver, he's
got a strong arm. He saw that on the one
deep dig to Fan and it was a great throw.
But you also saw the same thing he saw on
college that he's going to have to work out of
is be holding out of the football in the pocket.
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They're trying to back out the backside of the pocket,
which is almost impossible for any quarterback to do unless
you're Mahomes. Now, there were some stats yesterday that he
really he could not step up because there's so much
pressure coming in the middle. But he does have that
that trait that has to improve as far as being
able to in a normal pocket, be able to step
up against the pressure and not bail out the back end.
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But that's going to take some time. It takes practice,
it takes development. But you did see some throw yesterday
that you know there's a reason why he was a
highly productive college quarterback, so you have to keep building
on that.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Okay, let's uh, let's discuss the Lions and their offense.
It's just a disaster last night against the Eagles. It's
interesting though, because here in Green Bay, you know, the
entire week is Matt Laflour is so conservative. What is
Matt Lafloor doing. You gotta let Jordan Love throw the football,
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and of course he does against the Giants and look straat,
But then you see that same Eagles defense when the
Lions try and throw it, and you know you got
no time at all for Jared Goff none. So again,
my thing is how much of this last two weeks
is really the Eagles defense as much as the offenses
that they're going against.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
That's a great point, Doug. I was just looking at
the Eagles defense. They did not start off the year well,
but they've kind of progressed and improved. And every year
is a different year, so you got to try and
figure out what are we this year? And you saw
the last two weeks that's what they are. I mean,
their their defensive front is very very difficult to play against,
and and it and it helps when you play the
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Lions right now, the Lions. This is not the same
offensive line the Lions had last year, so their interior,
two guards and center are either new players or a
player that's been moved. And it showed up last night.
The Philly front just dominated them, and it just felt like,
from a Detroit offense point of view, and this is
very subjective, it just felt like they were calling plays
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but not really running an offense. If that makes any offense.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Just not No, there's there's a there's a there's a
rhythm to it. There's a there's a rhythm to it. Yeah,
so I'll give you, let me give let me give
you the basketball. I completely see it. Honestly, most times
I would say, ah, but I paid attention to it
because you know, it's one of the things that that
I've run into as a coach, which is, you know
i've I did last year, I did everything with the offense,
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you know, and called all the plays. This year, I
have a really really accomplished coach helping me with the offense.
But I have there's a rhythm to how I believe
it should should play out. You know, we run a
bunch of our sets in the first half and I'm
looking for how they're guarding it, so we have different
counters for when we need a bucket in the second half.
But again it's it's the best of the best play callers.
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They have a there's a rhythm and a feeling to it,
and they know how to get everybody involved and how
to how did you know, go north, go go north
south for a bunch of the game, only like you
know east west. I feel like that's that's where Dan Campbell,
that's where it's missing. Where there's nothing wrong with the
plays that he's calling, but the execution and timing and
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overall rhythm of it is very off.
Speaker 9 (28:35):
I see the exact same thing. And we haven't seen
golf play like that in years, and certainly hasn't played
like that with the Lions, where he just I mean,
he couldn't get the ball out. He's dirting the ball.
You take the weather out of it, but there was
just no rhythm or feel to it. And there's too
much talent at the skilled position is there to play
like that. So obviously they made the offensive coordinator change.
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I thought they were doing okay early in the year.
I thought it would take some time. I went a
new coordinator to really get the right identity. It doesn't
happen overnight. But I also trust Dan Campbell because he's
shown that he has a good pulse of their football team.
But it's just it didn't look right last night. I
think the offensive line had something to do with that,
and the Eagles had a lot to do with that,
but there was just no fueler rhythm to the offense.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
None whatsoever. Doug Gottliebschel, you're on Fox Sports Radio. Tom
Telesco is our guest. Of course, he's a former Jim
manager of both the Chargers and the Raiders. Okay, what
happened to Sam Donald?
Speaker 9 (29:35):
Sam Donald ran into a big time defense yesterday, and
actually both defenses were outstanding. But that was probably probably
the biggest thing that I saw yesterday as far as
how one team is going to play another. So the
Seahawks played a lot this year with multiple tight ends,
and on early down they throwing the ball a lot
out of those multiple tight ends sets. So Chris Julio
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was a defensive coordinator for the Rams and doesn't alt
standing job. They played a lot of nickel and a
lot of dime in early downs, which is typically what
you wouldn't want to do. You don't want to get
in that big versus little where they're big, you're little,
and if they run the ball, you're in a disadvantage.
But they went heavy nickel, heavy dime. They played a
lot of safeties rather than extra corners, and it really
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helped kind of shut down the passing game and shut
with didn't shut down these sposive plays, it really limited it.
I just thought it was a great game plan. And Sam,
you know, he's he's doing out standing job this year
with exposive plays with big throws, but he always has
an achilles heel against some pressure that he'll still take
(30:38):
chances versus pressure, and he throws picks, and he saw
that Yesterday's not enough to worry about. These were two
of the best teams in the league play yesterday in
two outstanding defenses. But I just thought Chris shul that
had a great game plan to play against the Seahawks,
and well, probably if the other team starts to try
and copy that, and now you know, see I don't
have to encounter. But I thought that was a really
interesting way how they played the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Stugg Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the
voice of Tom to LESCo, long time UH general manager
in the National Football League. It was nineteen All the
Chiefs have the ball and you're like, man, how many
times have I seen this before? Pat Mahome is going
to win this game. Turns out it's the Broncos who
(31:21):
end up getting win. What did you see in the
Broncos late win over their AFC West rival.
Speaker 9 (31:29):
Well, like you said, I mean, it's a close game,
so I wouldn't you know, I'm not ready to put
Kandas City in the coffee yet it was, you know,
tight throughout, and I thought Kansas City's defense, I mean
they hung in there, really held Denver to field goals,
not touchdown. They just didn't get enough stops. But Denver's
defense is one of the best in the league. Their front,
the defensive front, is one of the best in the league.
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And unfortunately for the Chiefs on the other side, their
weakness is the offensive lineup, pass protection and certainly on
the edges. So that was just that was a match
really all day for the Broncos paths rushers, and that
showed up again in the game. But again, it's tight,
it's close. Chiefs won a lot all these games or
majority of them last year. This year not quite the same.
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And the Broncos have a great formula right now. They
have Broncos that won the best offensive lines in the league.
They had a great defensive line and you can play
well in the trenches on both sides. That that kind
of leads to consistency, and that's what we're seeing if
the record shows that. As far as how they're playing
and bow next day. The Broncos relied on him yesterday,
especially in the second half, and he came through. But
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to me, it was really about O line D line
yesterday and the Broncos just had more upfront against the
Chiefs offensive line.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, yeah, I I I tend to tend to agree
with you. What do you think happens with Kyler Murray?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Right?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Like, Jacob shut through for a million yards yesterday, but
really ineffective in comparison, and you know, he had the
two picks and they had they had another fumble as well.
But the fact that the Cardinals have said, you know
that even if healthy, he wouldn't be the starter. What
happens with the Kyler Murray?
Speaker 9 (33:12):
Well, if it's not Kyler, then who and I know
the GM and head coach weren't there when Kyler was drafted.
But I love Jacoby Brissette, but I love him in
a role. And you and I can both sit here
and we know that he's an excellent backup. But if
it's not Kyler Murray, okay, who And are you going
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to be drafting high? I have to draft a quarterback
this year? Possibly not, And even if you are, there
aren't that many this year. Okay, So you've got the
draft that's going to be light. And then in free agency,
very few starters, you know, legit starters come out in
free agencies, so they're gonna have to make a decision there.
I think Kyler still has plenty of talent, and it's
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again it's a new regime, but I'm just not ready
to give up on him yet. He's too athletic, he's
got a strong arm. We can make a lot of
plays outside the pockets, hard to prepare for. They've gradually
upgrade the talent on that team. But again, like, if
you want to move on from him, where are you
going to go? And right now, there aren't a lot
of places to go.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
No. No, Bryce Young obviously struggled last year, lost his
job for a little bit, got it back statistically yesterday
his best day as a pro four to forty eight,
three touchdownstown receptions. Where are you on Bryce Young long
term with the Panthers.
Speaker 9 (34:30):
I'm just not sure yet. I know you put up
a great amount of yards yesterday. I had to hit
a very nice game, you know against the Falcons defense.
That's been up and down. But two weeks ago the
Panthers got to win against the Packers and you know,
Bryce through fo one hundred yards and less than fifty
percent completion, So it's been a little bit up and down.
I think Dave kanalas quietly has done more with less
(34:51):
any coaching the NFL this year. He's do an amazing
job with the whole team. And defensively, j Everee has
done a great job. I mean, they had one of
the worst defenses in the league last year, and I
didn't think they did a lot to improved first l
wise over the over the off season, and they're balling
out right now. So with with I just don't know
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at the quarterback spot with Bryce Young, is he the
guy now? If he has enough talent around him, which
they've gotten better, maybe he's got a chance and he
shows something yesterday. But just with the with the size,
it just it shows up a lot. You know how
he plays in the pocket. Now, he's got very quick guys.
You can get the ball out quickly. But it's it's
(35:34):
hard playing in his size for a long over the
long haul in this league. So we'll see. It's like
yesterday was great and he needs to keep coming on
and the talent is gradually getting better with the Panthers.
But you know, we shall see. But you know this
can't be a week to week up and down. And
you look at the whole body work. The whole body
works to me, so it needs to keep coming along
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with him.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Awesome stuff, Tom, Thanks so much for joining us. Look
forward to our weekly weekly chat. Appreciate being our guest
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (36:03):
Yeah, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
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Speaker 7 (36:30):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
All right, Doug, the game today.
Speaker 7 (36:40):
Is big deal, little deal, no deal?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Big deal, little deal or no deal. That the Chiefs
wouldn't be in the playoffs if they started today, that's.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
A big deal. A gigantic deal. Team that has dominated
the AFC over the last seven or eight years. That's
a very very very very big deal. And their schedule
is backloaded too, so it's not like it gets easier.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
They got the Colts coming to town this Sunday, off
of a bye for Indianapolis, playing in Kansas City. Doug,
big deal, little deal or no deal. That's in a
loss to the forty nine ers. Cardinals quarterback Jacoby Brissett
set an NFL record for completions with forty seven in
that loss to the Niners.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
A big deal from this standpoint. You remember his first
start was with the Patriots when Brady was suspended, and
they ran like option with him. In other words, you
went from a guy that Bill Belizer is like, let's
him throw the ball as little as possible to completing
forty seven passes. I take the big deal. It's historic.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah, and no Marvin Earrison Junior yesterday, Trey McBride, Michael Wilson,
big games and obviously playing in place of the injured
Kyler Murray. Big deal, little dealer, No deal, Doug that
Jamis Winston almost led the Giants to a victory over
the Packers.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
It's a big deal because I think of the decisions
that now fire Brian Dable made that I call in question,
why did you start Russell Wilson to start the year.
Why'd you put Russell Willis to the name when Jackson
Dark got hurt? We thought Jamis Quinson would be the
better option anyway, although Jamis did do some Jamis things
like an interception late.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yes, but both teams looked good in doing so.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Giant's kind of wearing their throwback uniforms, Packers with.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
A great uniform night that. I was waiting for Mark
Varr to come run now.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
And that's game time.
Speaker 7 (38:21):
Game, This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Sam is here. We got the entire crew. Spectacular college
football weekend, fun college basketball weekend, and uh yeah, what
we thought has come true for the most part. In
the NFL, although we still have to have questions now
about the kansasitate Chiefs, and maybe some of those answers
have been answered with the Denver Broncos. Can you win
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ugly against the elite teams of the NFL, not just
the bottom team? So the NFL welcome, Welcome in. I
went to Eagles Packers Monday Night. And that's a little
bit of a humble brag, but it's also setting for
you context of it, and the context should be that
one of the things I offered up this week and
(01:17):
the questioning Green Bay all week and even yesterday when
the Packers beat the Giants and Jordan Love looked great,
is why were the Packers so conservative on Monday Night?
And they kept running the football with Josh Jacobs instead
of letting Jordan Love throw the ball. The other takeaway
(01:40):
from Monday Night was having been there, I didn't think
that they utilized that the Eagles utilized AJ Brown at all.
And I'm not an AJ Brown guy, I'm not an
Eagle fan, but for a guy who I think all
of us deemed to be very, very talented, you would
think that they would use him even as a decoy
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or focus upon him and make somebody take him away.
And it wasn't like the Packers didn't pay attention to him,
but it wasn't like they were throwing three guys his
way the way you would with like a Jamar Chase.
So fast forward to last night, Sunday Night Football where
the Eagles take on the Lions and the Lions. They
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couldn't block at all, couldn't block at all, and aj
Brown was the focal point season nine eleven targets was
a big focal point of the Eagles offense. And then
you have the Lions offense. What went wrong there? I'm
going to start with the Lions offense because, again, I
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when you're coaching, and quite frankly, when you're calling plays
in coaching, this is something that I'm very well equipped
to talk about. Even though basketball and football are are different,
there's some similarities. One of the things that's similar and Buyer,
(03:05):
I don't know if you and I have talked about this,
but I pattern what we do offensively after the Kansasity Chiefs.
And here's why. The Kansasity Chiefs. They don't run that
many plays, you know, again to simplify and say they
run ten plays, but they run all these different formations
(03:26):
in motion so that you're you're trying to guess where
they're going or what they're doing a lot of slight
of hand and then they run power or they run something.
They run these they got their screen game is always exquisite, right, Yeah,
And so there's a million different things, but really it's
like five plays.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Gus Maul's on with Auburn going to the National championship
game against Florida State about twelve years ago.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Same thing.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, yeah, And so yes, there's simplicity and execution, but
there's also the slide of hand where you throw a
bunch of different stuff. But you're really key being it simple.
You just have to have your guys understand the Aha,
it looks different but it's really the same. And then
you know you have to read the defense within it. Well,
I'm the play caller for our team, and you can
(04:14):
sit there and go like, oh, your record's fine. Like
if you think I'm about it, it's okay. But I
can tell you when I'm watching Dan Campbell, I think
he's a play caller, but I think he's calling plays
for somebody else's offense. And there's also a lack of
kind of rhythm to it. And and I'm not perfect
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with it. Okay, I've done it only AU level and
then the college level for a year, and I've helped
out other people. But if you like the way the
basketball player and football player's brain works is things have
to kind of make sense right. And I feel like
when I'm watching the Lions. He has a group of
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plays that he likes based upon personnels and oh, they're
playing this, we're going to do this, if this, then that,
which is great, but there's no kind of rhythm to it.
Whereas the best of the best, the Kyle Shanahan's of
the world, they have a rhythm and a reason what
they're getting to and it may not it may be
a build up of Hey, we're running this now, so
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in the second half, we're going to get the same
look and we're going to have an exposive play and
it would be open. Whereas the Lions, it's like they're
just trying to win every play and it doesn't feel
like that works. So there's a culmination of things that
happened last night. So here's Jalen Brown asked about AJ
Brown getting more targets than usual in the game, including
one in which he quit on the play late.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah, just going with the flow of the game and
how it was called and trying to go out there
and extra qut.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
So it wasn't like effort to get him football.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And may be a KP question, KP being his offensive coordinator.
Here's Nick Sirianni about AJ Brown getting more involved.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
We're always trying to get Aj involved, always, always, always, always,
and the game play is played differently each and every
week of what happens. So I think I don't think
I've been shy about saying this. The game plan is
always going to start in the passing game with him
and DeVante and in Dallas, and so we're always trying
to do that and get him the football. And that's
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the way play game played out a little bit today.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Can I just point out Dan that Sirianni did it again?
Going forward on fourth down with three minutes to go
in your own territory is just dumb.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, that one, It's just dumb.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Like listen and and I get it. You like you
go like, oh, you won five games as a coach. Yeah,
and I know that there's no possibly when your defense
is completely and utterly dominating the game and it's a
two score game, all you gotta do is punt the football.
And if they want to score, fine, then they got
to find a way to get the ball back and
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get to get instead. You know, the Lions could do
nothing and end up settling for a field goal. Could
have kicked field goal right away. Yes, you know if
not for a winning night and then had tons of
time to get a stop and maybe maybe even you know,
have given up a couple first downs. They you know,
they they had plenty of opportunities and it was gifted
to them by going forward. And it's the second straight
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week he's done it, second straight week and they've won
both games. It does not make the process correct, right,
I mean, like, I'm not anti Nick Seriani. I'm not
sitting here trying to like, you know, if you want
to find a flall with a coach, you can find one.
I'm just telling you, like, there's no reason. There was
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no reason last week, with like two twenty five to
go for them to throw the ball on second down. None,
you run the ball, get it to the two minute warning,
and then every play after that they got to call timeouts, right,
everybody knows that. And the Packers would have used their
timeouts on the other side the two minute warning, so again,
mission would have been accomplished. But the Packers got the
(08:05):
ball back, had plenty of time. They actually got it
back a second another time. Right, That's how much time
he left on it. It's like he wants the game
to be close, and I know he doesn't. But that's
how bad those decisions were.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I felt it was a unifying time in America that
outside of Eagles and Packers and maybe Bears fans, that
everybody was so happy that the Lions not only stopped
the Eagles, it was on a tush push play. Like,
not only was it a stupid play to even go
for it in that scenario, but it happened on a
(08:39):
tush push play where you could say, what are you doing?
So someone stopped it, and they did it in a
ridiculously advantageous situation for that team and against the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
I had no idea.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
What he was doing, and then the camera immediately pans
to him. I mean, we heard the the AJ Brown
pass was called by Hurts and Brown in Green Bay
on Monday night. But this was just this was atrocious.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, all of it's bad. It just it doesn't make
any sense. Like you're it'd be one thing if you're like, well,
it's like the Colts back when they had Peyton Manning,
like you know what, let's put the ball in our
best player's hands and let's let him get a first down.
The same thing with Tom Brady. And this is not
to take as it takes a little shot at Jalen Hurts,
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but nobody would say that Jalen hurts. And it's not
like you haven't Jalen Hurts passed. You're going to touch push,
which has been highly highly successful. Your defense for the
second straight week has been absolutely thoroughly and completely physically
dominant over the opponent. The Lions could not block you
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at all, and you're like gifting them that kind of
field position when they got to score twice. That makes
no sense to me at all, no sense. But the
Eagles do what they They overcome what I think is
additional chances brought on by an overly aggressive offensive play call.
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And oh yeah, by the way, the Lions they got
stopped five times on fourth down five times, five times.
Everybody wants their play call or be aggressive until five
times he doesn't get it on fourth down, and oh yeah,
by the way, the Eagles were also helped out by
just an atrocious defensive pass interference. So the Lions kick
(10:43):
a field goal, have a chance to get a stop,
then on third down, what would have if it play
had just gone incomplete, they would have gotten the ball
back with time to come down score a touchdown. Probably
wouldn't have done it because their offensive line could not
block the Lions. But think a listener Chris Collinsworth and
his reaction to the penalty call. Oh, come on, come on,
(11:08):
that is terrible.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
That is an absolutely terrible call that it's going to
decide his football game.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
If anything, it's an offensive push. Yeah, it wasn't an
offensive push on aj Brown. It wasn't a defensive passer
fits on Rokison. It was a terrible call. I don't
know if it didn't decide the game, but it sealed
the game, right, It didn't decide the game. It sealed
(11:36):
the game. The Eagles were the better football team. They
kicked the Lions ass. Forget about the final score. But
that was a terrible call to end that game. Awful.
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So Shore Sanders got to play. It wasn't very good.
It wasn't very good. Here's Shore Sanders talking about his
first naps in the NFL game.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
First and foremost I want to thank God from giving
me the opportunity to get out there. That's all you
could ask for, honestly, the chance to get out there,
get your feet wet, to experience how it feels, you know,
to even be out there with the team, with the
first group, with everybody. So I'm truly was exciting. It
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was a rough day overall, but the thing that I
was excited about is just being able to get out there.
You know, it's the first time I got hit, like
since since my last game at Colorado. So just having
that feeling back, you know, it's good.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yep, no, I get it. It is good. It's definitely good.
He was four of sixteen through a bad pick, looked overwhelmed.
Here's Rex Ryan on ESPN earlier today commenting on Shador
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and what he was doing after the game.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
He's got to get over himself too, you like, he's
there by himself on the bench at the end of
the game. I've never I've seen it in the seventh
game of World Series. When you lose a game or whatever.
This is a game, is a pillow fight game. Nobody cares.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Who cares?
Speaker 7 (13:33):
Sit back?
Speaker 8 (13:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (13:35):
Did he care?
Speaker 8 (13:36):
Or you trying to make it a show. Make it
about yourself. You've got a guy over there that, by
the way, is a two time MVP. Right there, Lamar Jackson.
He was looking for you. He was looking for you
right there.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
Why didn't share a moment with him?
Speaker 8 (13:48):
All right? All right, share a moment with Lamar. He
looking all over for you. They get in there with
your teammates. These are your teammates, all right, These are
your teammates, And talk about I'm not comfortable losing. You
think anybody in that locker room is they better not be?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, I just I don't know, Like, look, we maybe
I compartmentalized things better than other people. Okay, I didn't
like to watch ACT. I definitely knew, you know why
he didn't get drafted. I didn't think it was a
(14:27):
crime against humanity that he fell in the draft or
the whole act or trying to determine and many things
he said. But what you can't do, or I don't
think you can do, is factor in those things, even
in the preseason or whatever. You know, the the miming answers,
and just let's just take yesterday. Okay, he was bad.
(14:50):
It was awful. It looked it was kind of sad
to watch, Okay, but after the game in which you
play your first NFL game and you don't play well,
and you're just sitting there and it happens really, really fast.
I'm sure he's sitting there with his helmet in his hand.
He's listening, or he's got his helmet on, he's listened
all to play calls. Honestly, you're in and you're like,
I've waited my whole life, and then you get in
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there and you're terrible and your team loses again. It
comes at you really fast and you need it a minute.
I'm not holding that against him, nor will I sit
here and say definably, this is who he is as
an NFL quarterback. I've never been so infatuated with Shador
(15:35):
Sanders that I wanted to claim racism or the things
that everyone's against him or whatever. What I can tell
you is, when you're a coach of somebody at his age,
and I coach people at his age, I have a
player who right now, if you saw him play like
he is not a very good basketball player, why would
you have recrured him, sign him? And yet everybody wanted him,
(16:00):
me especially and my old staff were like he didn't
play this way. It's just confidence can be shattered and
hard to rebuild. And that process of trying to win
a game while the player you're playing is trying to
regain his confidence or gain his footing, it can be
(16:21):
a very very difficult process. So this may surprise you,
but I'm gonna tell you it's not the end of
the world or the end. I've never been a Shador
is the greatest. He's got to be out there. He's
got his laws, he holds them all too long. He
doesn't have a super strong arm. He is really accurate.
He's he's mobile ish, but he's People think because he's
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Dion's son that he's that type of athlete. He's not.
But he does have clever mobility in the pocket. And
he was awful. He was bad, wasn't good. But he'll
get more opportunities and either he gets better and he'll
get more or he plays this way and we won't
(17:04):
see him much longer in the NFL. Is that two
matter of fact, Dan Byer, should I bring in the
baggage of his actions and people acting like he should
have been the number one overall pick and whatever? And
this is the in your face, he stinks, Like I thought,
he played poorly, but again, we've seen lots of quarterbacks
(17:25):
come in cold, first start and not play well. I'm
not gonna be crazy over wreck, but I could be wrong,
and it could not go in line with how much
we've talked about him previously.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yeah, I think that that's fair.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I don't know how you could expect anything from him,
to be honest, considering the lack of practice snaps that
he got with the first team. I don't know how
anybody succeeds in that situation. Maybe a fifteen year veteran
can come in and it's no problem, but for someone
who's a rookie in the National Football League, there's no
way that they could succeed. He had what four completions.
(18:01):
One of the incompletions, if I mean, if it's just
a little bit more on target, they maybe score a
touchdown and tie the game. So I would take the
positives from that throw. But to answer your your question,
I think you're doing the right thing because I didn't
realize it until it was pointed out that he didn't
shake hands and didn't go off in talk with Lamar Jackson.
(18:25):
And I do think that that stuff is weird. So
you're doing a much better job of separating what you
think than what I am.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I'll just again, and maybe I'm personalizing too much. And
I understand if people think it's not the same or
you don't care. Whatever. Thursday night, we go to play
Saint Thomas. I'm friends with Johnny Tower. He's the coach.
He's a great guy. He's kind of a mentoring you know.
I think he's got a doctorate whatever. He's brilliant dude.
So we play poorly. I have a player suffer a
(18:56):
gruesome injury and after the game, like I just I want,
I have to go to the hospital. And two, I'm
just trying to figure out my team and my own job.
And so even sent me a text checking in on
the kid that was hurt, and I was a little
short with him for talk with him yesterday, and again
I know that's not how he normally would be, but
the context of the situation which we played poorly, I
(19:19):
was upset, and I was trying to kind of get
my balance and then trying to figure out what I
need to do protocol with this kid, how to manage
my own emotions with that deal. Right, So the point
is maybe I I've built in more empathy than I should,
But I do know that guys. I have a player's
(19:40):
names justin Allen. We'll talk about the sum in the pod.
He was a star in Division three, star twenty six
points a game, Carnegie Mellon. So we play against Bradley
in an exhibition and Dan he was just so nervous,
so nervous. And then we played Kansas, and like, you know,
you got to think to yourself, like you've been playing
(20:01):
at a slightly above average When I'm saying above average,
I'm talking about the actual basketball team, not the school,
slightly above average Division III school, and now you're playing
at Kansas, right, And so for me, like I walk
in and you know, like I think my team and
my players and how I coach, Like I've been through
all this stuff as a player and a broadcaster, so
(20:21):
it doesn't overwhelm me. So I don't I struggle to
relate to it. But the kid was shook up, Like
they're shook because they've been waiting their whole lives. They
get an opportunity and then they think they failed and
they let the world down, and it literally takes them
like two three weeks to get their confidence back, and
sometimes they don't ever get it back. And so for Shador,
my thing is when you've been the guy playing for
(20:45):
your memory, played for his dad his whole life, and
then all of a sudden, now he's had to battle
and yet not getting first team reps whatever, and he's
not helping the situation. I'm not denying that, But you
go to that, to being kind of thrust into a
game first time ever and then you don't play. Well,
it's a shot at your ego, there's no question about it.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
And I am I'm much higher on how he did play,
considering the circumstances. Like I know, four of sixteen is
not great. Obviously, JJ McCarthy was one hopping passes to
receivers yesterday and we're still not talking about.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Him as much.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Sure, so like there's I think that for the couple
of throws that I saw Shador make that I thought
were really good, I was impressed. But remember last year,
the year before, he was there to be at the
handshake with Dion and j Norvell against Colorado State. Yeah,
he was sure to be at that handshake.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
No question. Yeah, suddenly disappears. I get it. I get
it you could. You know, it does become a bad
look when you when you factor all that in Tom
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a touchdown. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. It's a Monday that means we get to
catch up with former GM of the Chargers for eleven
years and the Raiders last year. He's a friend of Doug,
a friend of the program. He's Tom Tlasco. He joins
(22:48):
us on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's start off with the most discussed fifth round pick,
potentially fourth string quarterback in the history of the universe. Obviously,
the stats look bad, but what were your thoughts as
a GM watching Shadorg Sanders and villain duty yesterday.
Speaker 9 (23:07):
Yeah, I'm sure there'll be no irrational rants or analysis
of Sugar Sanders' performance today, but just for contact, the
first thing I thought of was justin Herbert's first appearance
with his rookie year, because if you remember, and I'm
sure you do, like he didn't know until thirty seconds
before kickoff he was going to be playing in that game,
and this is week two of the season. He had
(23:27):
taken probably no first team reps Week one or two.
He maybe took a couple in training camp, but not
a lot. And this was during COVID, so there are
no preseason games, so his teammates and coaches literally had
never seen him play live until at first drive against
the Chiefs. So it's not unusual for a backup quarterback
not to have a lot of work during the week.
(23:47):
That's normal and I mean it shows. I mean he
got in the game and Baltimore has an excellent defense,
they're smart, they brought a lot of pressure against them,
and he did what he could. I think this is
going to work out for Cleveland because now he'll get
a full week of practice and they're gonna get a
glimpse of what maybe he can do, so they can
kind of see what they have for the future. But realistically,
(24:09):
it doesn't matter at quarterback for Cleveland, whether it's Flacco,
whether it's still in Gabriel, whether it's Trador, whether it's
the legendary Bernie Kosar. Their offense just doesn't have the
infrastructure right now on the offensive line at the still
positions to be competitive yet so they will in the future.
They have a lot of AMMO. They had an awesome
draft last year, but right now there just isn't enough
(24:30):
on offense around no matter who the quarterback is right
now to be productive.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I get that completely. Of course, there's no room for
rational analysis of this, but in our most rational sense,
right you have to watch for traits or things that
you can grow on or if the he just doesn't
have it right granted, limited sample size, no worktime, with
the first group and the first group isn't that good.
(24:56):
But I mean, obviously you're gonna get and a deeper look.
But with half a game in what do you think.
Speaker 9 (25:06):
He showed a couple of throws which you saw in
college that piques your interests, Like, he can stand in
the pocket, you can stand tall, he can deliver, he's
got a strong arm. He saw that on the one
deep dig to Fan and it was a great throw.
But you also saw the same thing he saw on
college that he's going to have to work out of
is be holding out of the football in the pocket.
(25:27):
They're trying to back out the backside of the pocket,
which is almost impossible for any quarterback to do unless
you're Mahomes. Now, there were some stats yesterday that he
really he could not step up because there's so much
pressure coming in the middle. But he does have that
that trait that has to improve as far as being
able to in a normal pocket, be able to step
up against the pressure and not bail out the back end.
(25:48):
But that's going to take some time. It takes practice,
it takes development. But you did see some throw yesterday
that you know there's a reason why he was a
highly productive college quarterback, so you have to keep building
on that.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Okay, let's uh, let's discuss the Lions and their offense.
It's just a disaster last night against the Eagles. It's
interesting though, because here in Green Bay, you know, the
entire week is Matt Laflour is so conservative. What is
Matt Lafloor doing. You gotta let Jordan Love throw the football,
(26:21):
and of course he does against the Giants and look straat,
But then you see that same Eagles defense when the
Lions try and throw it, and you know you got
no time at all for Jared Goff none. So again,
my thing is how much of this last two weeks
is really the Eagles defense as much as the offenses
that they're going against.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
That's a great point, Doug. I was just looking at
the Eagles defense. They did not start off the year well,
but they've kind of progressed and improved. And every year
is a different year, so you got to try and
figure out what are we this year? And you saw
the last two weeks that's what they are. I mean,
their their defensive front is very very difficult to play against,
and and it and it helps when you play the
(27:03):
Lions right now, the Lions. This is not the same
offensive line the Lions had last year, so their interior,
two guards and center are either new players or a
player that's been moved. And it showed up last night.
The Philly front just dominated them, and it just felt like,
from a Detroit offense point of view, and this is
very subjective, it just felt like they were calling plays
(27:24):
but not really running an offense. If that makes any offense.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Just not No, there's there's a there's a there's a
rhythm to it. There's a there's a rhythm to it. Yeah,
so I'll give you, let me give let me give
you the basketball. I completely see it. Honestly, most times
I would say, ah, but I paid attention to it
because you know, it's one of the things that that
I've run into as a coach, which is, you know
i've I did last year, I did everything with the offense,
(27:49):
you know, and called all the plays. This year, I
have a really really accomplished coach helping me with the offense.
But I have there's a rhythm to how I believe
it should should play out. You know, we run a
bunch of our sets in the first half and I'm
looking for how they're guarding it, so we have different
counters for when we need a bucket in the second half.
But again it's it's the best of the best play callers.
(28:11):
They have a there's a rhythm and a feeling to it,
and they know how to get everybody involved and how
to how did you know, go north, go go north
south for a bunch of the game, only like you
know east west. I feel like that's that's where Dan Campbell,
that's where it's missing. Where there's nothing wrong with the
plays that he's calling, but the execution and timing and
(28:31):
overall rhythm of it is very off.
Speaker 9 (28:35):
I see the exact same thing. And we haven't seen
golf play like that in years, and certainly hasn't played
like that with the Lions, where he just I mean,
he couldn't get the ball out. He's dirting the ball.
You take the weather out of it, but there was
just no rhythm or feel to it. And there's too
much talent at the skilled position is there to play
like that. So obviously they made the offensive coordinator change.
(28:56):
I thought they were doing okay early in the year.
I thought it would take some time. I went a
new coordinator to really get the right identity. It doesn't
happen overnight. But I also trust Dan Campbell because he's
shown that he has a good pulse of their football team.
But it's just it didn't look right last night. I
think the offensive line had something to do with that,
and the Eagles had a lot to do with that,
but there was just no fueler rhythm to the offense.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
None whatsoever. Doug Gottliebschel, you're on Fox Sports Radio. Tom
Telesco is our guest. Of course, he's a former Jim
manager of both the Chargers and the Raiders. Okay, what
happened to Sam Donald?
Speaker 9 (29:35):
Sam Donald ran into a big time defense yesterday, and
actually both defenses were outstanding. But that was probably probably
the biggest thing that I saw yesterday as far as
how one team is going to play another. So the
Seahawks played a lot this year with multiple tight ends,
and on early down they throwing the ball a lot
out of those multiple tight ends sets. So Chris Julio
(29:57):
was a defensive coordinator for the Rams and doesn't alt
standing job. They played a lot of nickel and a
lot of dime in early downs, which is typically what
you wouldn't want to do. You don't want to get
in that big versus little where they're big, you're little,
and if they run the ball, you're in a disadvantage.
But they went heavy nickel, heavy dime. They played a
lot of safeties rather than extra corners, and it really
(30:17):
helped kind of shut down the passing game and shut
with didn't shut down these sposive plays, it really limited it.
I just thought it was a great game plan. And Sam,
you know, he's he's doing out standing job this year
with exposive plays with big throws, but he always has
an achilles heel against some pressure that he'll still take
(30:38):
chances versus pressure, and he throws picks, and he saw
that Yesterday's not enough to worry about. These were two
of the best teams in the league play yesterday in
two outstanding defenses. But I just thought Chris shul that
had a great game plan to play against the Seahawks,
and well, probably if the other team starts to try
and copy that, and now you know, see I don't
have to encounter. But I thought that was a really
interesting way how they played the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Stugg Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the
voice of Tom to LESCo, long time UH general manager
in the National Football League. It was nineteen All the
Chiefs have the ball and you're like, man, how many
times have I seen this before? Pat Mahome is going
to win this game. Turns out it's the Broncos who
(31:21):
end up getting win. What did you see in the
Broncos late win over their AFC West rival.
Speaker 9 (31:29):
Well, like you said, I mean, it's a close game,
so I wouldn't you know, I'm not ready to put
Kandas City in the coffee yet it was, you know,
tight throughout, and I thought Kansas City's defense, I mean
they hung in there, really held Denver to field goals,
not touchdown. They just didn't get enough stops. But Denver's
defense is one of the best in the league. Their front,
the defensive front, is one of the best in the league.
(31:50):
And unfortunately for the Chiefs on the other side, their
weakness is the offensive lineup, pass protection and certainly on
the edges. So that was just that was a match
really all day for the Broncos paths rushers, and that
showed up again in the game. But again, it's tight,
it's close. Chiefs won a lot all these games or
majority of them last year. This year not quite the same.
(32:13):
And the Broncos have a great formula right now. They
have Broncos that won the best offensive lines in the league.
They had a great defensive line and you can play
well in the trenches on both sides. That that kind
of leads to consistency, and that's what we're seeing if
the record shows that. As far as how they're playing
and bow next day. The Broncos relied on him yesterday,
especially in the second half, and he came through. But
(32:34):
to me, it was really about O line D line
yesterday and the Broncos just had more upfront against the
Chiefs offensive line.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, yeah, I I I tend to tend to agree
with you. What do you think happens with Kyler Murray?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Right?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Like, Jacob shut through for a million yards yesterday, but
really ineffective in comparison, and you know, he had the
two picks and they had they had another fumble as well.
But the fact that the Cardinals have said, you know
that even if healthy, he wouldn't be the starter. What
happens with the Kyler Murray?
Speaker 9 (33:12):
Well, if it's not Kyler, then who and I know
the GM and head coach weren't there when Kyler was drafted.
But I love Jacoby Brissette, but I love him in
a role. And you and I can both sit here
and we know that he's an excellent backup. But if
it's not Kyler Murray, okay, who And are you going
(33:32):
to be drafting high? I have to draft a quarterback
this year? Possibly not, And even if you are, there
aren't that many this year. Okay, So you've got the
draft that's going to be light. And then in free agency,
very few starters, you know, legit starters come out in
free agencies, so they're gonna have to make a decision there.
I think Kyler still has plenty of talent, and it's
(33:52):
again it's a new regime, but I'm just not ready
to give up on him yet. He's too athletic, he's
got a strong arm. We can make a lot of
plays outside the pockets, hard to prepare for. They've gradually
upgrade the talent on that team. But again, like, if
you want to move on from him, where are you
going to go? And right now, there aren't a lot
of places to go.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
No. No, Bryce Young obviously struggled last year, lost his
job for a little bit, got it back statistically yesterday
his best day as a pro four to forty eight,
three touchdownstown receptions. Where are you on Bryce Young long
term with the Panthers.
Speaker 9 (34:30):
I'm just not sure yet. I know you put up
a great amount of yards yesterday. I had to hit
a very nice game, you know against the Falcons defense.
That's been up and down. But two weeks ago the
Panthers got to win against the Packers and you know,
Bryce through fo one hundred yards and less than fifty
percent completion, So it's been a little bit up and down.
I think Dave kanalas quietly has done more with less
(34:51):
any coaching the NFL this year. He's do an amazing
job with the whole team. And defensively, j Everee has
done a great job. I mean, they had one of
the worst defenses in the league last year, and I
didn't think they did a lot to improved first l
wise over the over the off season, and they're balling
out right now. So with with I just don't know
(35:13):
at the quarterback spot with Bryce Young, is he the
guy now? If he has enough talent around him, which
they've gotten better, maybe he's got a chance and he
shows something yesterday. But just with the with the size,
it just it shows up a lot. You know how
he plays in the pocket. Now, he's got very quick guys.
You can get the ball out quickly. But it's it's
(35:34):
hard playing in his size for a long over the
long haul in this league. So we'll see. It's like
yesterday was great and he needs to keep coming on
and the talent is gradually getting better with the Panthers.
But you know, we shall see. But you know this
can't be a week to week up and down. And
you look at the whole body work. The whole body
works to me, so it needs to keep coming along
(35:56):
with him.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Awesome stuff, Tom, Thanks so much for joining us. Look
forward to our weekly weekly chat. Appreciate being our guest
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (36:03):
Yeah, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
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Speaker 7 (36:30):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
All right, Doug, the game today.
Speaker 7 (36:40):
Is big deal, little deal, no deal?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Big deal, little deal or no deal. That the Chiefs
wouldn't be in the playoffs if they started today, that's.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
A big deal. A gigantic deal. Team that has dominated
the AFC over the last seven or eight years. That's
a very very very very big deal. And their schedule
is backloaded too, so it's not like it gets easier.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
They got the Colts coming to town this Sunday, off
of a bye for Indianapolis, playing in Kansas City. Doug,
big deal, little deal or no deal. That's in a
loss to the forty nine ers. Cardinals quarterback Jacoby Brissett
set an NFL record for completions with forty seven in
that loss to the Niners.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
A big deal from this standpoint. You remember his first
start was with the Patriots when Brady was suspended, and
they ran like option with him. In other words, you
went from a guy that Bill Belizer is like, let's
him throw the ball as little as possible to completing
forty seven passes. I take the big deal. It's historic.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah, and no Marvin Earrison Junior yesterday, Trey McBride, Michael Wilson,
big games and obviously playing in place of the injured
Kyler Murray. Big deal, little dealer, No deal, Doug that
Jamis Winston almost led the Giants to a victory over
the Packers.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
It's a big deal because I think of the decisions
that now fire Brian Dable made that I call in question,
why did you start Russell Wilson to start the year.
Why'd you put Russell Willis to the name when Jackson
Dark got hurt? We thought Jamis Quinson would be the
better option anyway, although Jamis did do some Jamis things
like an interception late.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yes, but both teams looked good in doing so.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Giant's kind of wearing their throwback uniforms, Packers with.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
A great uniform night that. I was waiting for Mark
Varr to come run now.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
And that's game time.
Speaker 7 (38:21):
Game, This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Okay, coming up next to the Doug Gottlieb Show. What'd
you love from the weekend? What'd you hate from the weekend? Right,
pretty simple. We'll go around the room share with you
our thoughts, love and hate on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
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