November 18, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug does a breakdown of the last 25 years of the Raiders' failures. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about the Eagles, Raiders and all of the headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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a million ways we could go with today's show, because
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last night's game was so it wasn't even mid It
actually lived down to everything Jason Stewart has said about
the failings of the National Football League right where it's
is like people keep watching and it's just not that
good a product. Game did not feel like it was
in question. We can get to a little bit of
love for Dak Prescott, who has I think, without any question,
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regained some footing in those top ten quarterback discussions, even
though none of this is the playoff games. They're not
going to the playoffs likely this year. To me, the
discussion is.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Over the Raiders. It's over the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I have a ton of personal knowledge of the Raiders.
You know, I've had family members work for the Raiders
over the years, and you know, like Telesco, who joins
us on a weekly basis, he was the gentle manager
of the Raiders for a year. And I think that's
kind of the biggest issue the Raiders since two thousand
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and two, okay, or really, if you want to go,
since two thousand and one when John Gruden left. The
next year, Bill Callahan took them to a Super Bowl
and they won eleven games since then. Since then, and
we're talking about the last twenty three years, they've had
two double digit win seasons. And here's the kicker. They
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haven't had any nine win seasons. They've only had four
eight win seasons. So what you think about this for
the last twenty three years? Last twenty three years, the
Oakland Raiders, who are a historic power and a big
name in the Nation Football League, I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
This is just crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
They've had six seasons of five hundred or better. It
seems almost impossible to be that bad, right, They're not average,
they're below average. Most team in the leagues finished between
seven and nine, nine and seven. Remember now, only do
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they only have those four eight win seasons during that
same period of time, they only have two seven win seasons.
And you're like, wait, now, you're kind of nickeling, Timon, No,
I'm not. Most teams in the NFL finished between seven
and nine, nine and seven will have fifteen of them
this year. So only eight times in twenty three years
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they finished with seven wins or more? How is that possible?
How is that level of bad luck slash mismanagement possible?
And it's not like the end they've had, you know,
they've had some curious coaching decisions. They did have John
Gruden for three of those years. When he returned, they
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had Lane Kiffen, but it was back in the day
and Lane Kiffen won four games his first year, then
fired early on in his second year. They have had
NORV Turner, who has seen as an offensive genius in
some of his stylings. His sons still coaching in the
league today. They've had Jack del Rio, who took them
to one of their double digit win season, their twelve
win season. The ten win season that they had in
twenty twenty one was won the COVID year and two.
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Rich Pasaccia, who's a special teams coach with the Packers,
was responsible for their late season and really kind of
took a miracle to get them to that tenth win
and get them into the playoffs. It's almost impossible. How
bad the Raiders have been almost impossible. But I think
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it's Do I think that Pete Carroll is in Capele
I do not do. I think it's his first year.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I do.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And this is the classic house that somebody decided to
redo a long time ago. And now we've gone through
five different contractors, and it has no theme, it has
no feel, and no one knows exactly what it is
other than hey, this used to be a really cool
house in a really cool spot and it is not now,
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Like we do. I'm not a harp on the negative guy.
Do we pick out negative things? Is that part of
sports radio? Of course it.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Is, but we don't.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
We don't ride the Jaguars, who, by the way, won
this weekend. We had Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon upcoming,
and I think the guys have done a great job
of some topics. Bless you dan Byer, Bless you dan Byer.
Bless you dan Byer, Bless you Danbyer. Forst is that
another one?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Okay? Do you go threes or forest Dan?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I sometimes go five or six to be wow, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
That's most people go three. Don't you guys go three?
I'm a three guy. If it goes over that third seed, sneeze.
I don't make you to say anything nice about me period.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I'll just say this, I'm rare, but I do know
others like me that sneeze four or five six times.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
When we see yeah, it's like a quick rabbit one
for you. Yeah, mine are big, like blowout any of
the brains left in your head. Three sneezes, and then
if I get to four, just be done with me,
throw me away. I'm worthless. But I again, I want
you to think about this. It's one of those we're
in a an era. College football is taking this on
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and the NFL, you know, we still get to it,
which is like the second your season feels like it's lost,
fire the coach. Here's a perfect example, and I'll grant
you McDaniels. It didn't work, Piers. I don't know if
it was working. I get the feeling it was not.
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Carro has one wherever he's been. And obviously part of
it was it was getting closer to what grew, you know,
grew building from four wins, seven wins, eight wins, and
then without him ten wins, and then he was gone
and they lost all of their uncle you know, Uncle
Moe after that. But there's ever been a case for
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sticking with the process, not just change for change's sake.
I give you the Oakland Raiders and look, you know,
three GMS in the last three years, tack five in
the last five years.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
This is what it looks like. This is that's five contractors.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
That's everybody has their own idea and nobody sticks with
the previous idea, and you keep moving out parts and
moving in quarterbacks. Yes, Pete Carroll continues. They they decided
Gino was worth it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
He's not. He's just not.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
He topped out a while back. He's a better version
of what he used to be. And now he's getting older,
and he's not protected particularly well. And they don't have
great weapons, you know, and this.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Is what they do.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
But I mean in terms of how much the Raiders
are talked about, all the good feelings you get rooting
for them, or feelings of the past, or maybe you
don't like the Raiders or don't like their fans, whatever,
I mean, in terms of actual success, think about that.
The Raiders have had two seasons of double digit wins
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in the last twenty three years. They've had six seasons
of five hundred or better. That's laughingstock of the NFL.
And it's not for a lack of trying. It's not
for not having really good people involved. And it's not
for an owner who you know, previously didn't have any money.
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They have money since moving to Vegas. They've just had way, way, way, way, way.
Too many chiefs and not enough any and too many
different directions, too many different ideas when just stick with
one plan and write it out. And you know, it's
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covered up by the fact that they had the one
playoff year. They've been to the playoffs twice, you know,
sixteen and twenty one, but even two playoff appearances since
twenty three. That's unbelievable, unbelievable. But the Raiders went from
you know, when Gruden was there the first time, it
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was only four years. It was eight and eight, eight
and eight, twelve, ten wins. Then he left and they
went to the Super Bowl, and then the bottom fell out,
and it was just bad decision after bad decision after
bad decision. And it's almost it's more impressive to me
how many good people have not been able to figure
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out the Raiders Rub's cube than it is people that
can figure out the Rube's cube for somebody else. I mean, Dan,
you study this thing. And by the way, this has
been all of for all of our time. And when
I say all of our I mean Jason, Dan and I.
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Jason's worked in the business a little bit longer than
Dan and I, but generally about twenty five years. I mean,
you think about it, for most of the twenty a
quarter century, the Raiders have been a non competitive football team.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
In the NFL.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That seems that seems almost impossible considering the image of
who the Raiders are supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, and you said that you don't think that it's ownership,
but I do like that's the constant, because what else
could you blame it on. Right, They've tried so many
different things, and maybe it's because they've stuck with certain
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things longer and haven't stuck with other things for as
long as they should. And I think that that's the problem.
I think that ownership and Mark Davis are trying so
many different things and I think that this one is
one that is doomed to fail. And when you look
at bringing Pete Carroll in, like there's there's there's a point,
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and I know they're going to need time to build
a roster, but realistically, the game may have passed Pete
Carroll by because the game has changed dramatically in the
last five years, it's changed in the last ten years.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
All let me, let me, let me ask you a question, Okay,
And you're talking about his incredibly conservative nature as a coach.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
So what you're talking about, so, yeah, talking about yeah,
a lot of that.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Okay, correct, Who's been the best team in the NFL
the past two years? Fair to say the Eagles? Sure, okay,
I mean the other team would be the Chiefs. And
the honestly, honesty was last year in the regular season,
Chiefs were extremely conservative offensively right, because their offense won
very good. They won bit based on their defense. So
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I understand what you're saying and that it may have
passed them by. It may have, but we have teams
being really successful being very conservative.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I'm not talking about going forward on fourth down. I'm
not talking about punting it in that situation. I'm talking
about that everything Like for Pete Carroll, the whole mantra
for Pete Carroll's entire career has been compete. And again
this is a small part of this twenty five year
window that you're talking about. Pete Carroll wants to win everything.
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He wants to win at everything, whether they have the
pieces or not. So they're likely going to max out
because they are trying to win now. They are trying
to do their things now. I don't think that it's
a surprise that the Seahawks roster has turned into pretty
good roster since Pete Carroll's gone departure. Yeah, yes, and
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trying to find an identity of being who you are.
And this is on the heels of the reason why
I think that Pete Carroll was brought in was was
to compete right away, to maybe win nine games. But
that's where you don't want to be in the National
Football League, which is your point at the beginning of
the segment of being in that middle part of like
that's where half the league is, and that would be
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a success for the Raiders right now, right, but that's yeah,
where they're going to max out at. So that's my
point about like with Pete Carroll being there.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
No, you're right, Okay, but okay, so let's get to
let's just get to the failings.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Of this year.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Okay, failings of this year. If we start with why
would you hire Pete Carroll? It was a weird hire, Mike,
And the guess is, just like anybody in coaching and
lots of businesses, you do the opposite of what you
did previously. Previously, they had a completely unproven coach who
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was an interim head coach, a still of a former player,
and they felt like the discipline was missing and the
knowledge in the history, so they went with the most
experienced guy they could get, right, that's the logic behind it. Yeah, again,
I'm not saying I agree with the logical. Pete Carroll
would have been the hire, and it's not a weird
hire to you and me. But the point is that
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instead of going after like a Lincoln Riley and saying, hey,
here's a dynamic offensive play caller, who give him a
couple of years, he'll figure out the NFL and we
may get a John Gruden before he was John Gruden
type of thing, they did what so many people in
business do, which is, if the previous one doesn't go well,
hire the compoler opposite. And they did, and they did, yes,
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and he brought with him a quarterback who had begun
to get exposed last year. Remember you go back a
couple of years ago and Gino Smith early on the
year was to feel good story and you watched the Seahawks.
So I don't need to tell you, but I could
tell everybody else Gino wasn't good last year with the Seahawks.
It shouldn't be a surprise. It just should not. You know,
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last year with the Seahawks twenty one touchdowns, fifteen interceptions,
they were solid ten and seven, but not because of him.
He was seventy percent completion percentage. Why just throws he
could make and nothing else. Right, Again, this is to
your point, the Pete Carroll style, right, extremely conservative, But
you do get to a point where when you have
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less talent on your roster that at some point the
quarterback is going to have to carry you. And Gino
isn't and hasn't been truly capable of carrying anybody. And
that's got exposed factor in a weaker offensive line, factor
in not enough skill, bosiness in players, the defense isn't there.
And yeah, it's been an abject disaster. Now do I
think that's fire Pete Carroll, No, because then you're gonna
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have to start all over. But the logic behind Pete
Carroll's hiring was, Hey, we took we were way too inexperienced.
Now we're super experienced. And they've missed on both and
I don't don't know where they are in the future.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah, on their super experience to the seventy four year
old head coach and a quarterback who is likely riding
off into the sunset of his career. Yeah, and it's
that quick decision to try to or that decision to
to move off of Antonio Pierce, which was the decision
to keep him because guess what the Patriot Way Las
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Vegas style with Josh McDaniels and Dave Zigler didn't work out.
Your guy Telesco's there for a year, he's gone like
this is it's just over and over, like Gruden gets
pushed out.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
No, that's that's where you want to say ownership.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I will completely agree with you, and I do think
like if you're going to give the owner credit, and
I would, which is unlike his dad. I don't think
he gets involved in the game planning or in the
player of personnel stuff. But he is impetuous and he
does want to win. And wanting to win is great, okay,
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but wanted to win and constantly move around pieces and
firing guys whatever, listening to the wrong people is not,
you know, is not. I mean obviously, I emotionally, I'm
sitting there going you hired Tom toe LESCo, you give
him one draft and then you decide we're going to
pull the plug because you felt like Tom Telesco was
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tied to your coach who was hired before you ever
he ever got him there, I thought, I think that's
the mistake, right, whether you like or don't like Tom Telesco,
and I do, right, he did draft you, the rookie
of the year, didn't he right? His reward was he
got fired for drafting you, the rookie of the year
who happened to be a tight end and not a
quarterback who wasn't really available, or they would have had
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to move so many pieces to get a quarterback that
they wouldn't have had anything else on the roster.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So yeah, I think the I think the the Raiders
are a mess. That the story of last night is
that despite all of our not our because I don't
do it, but so many people on radio and television
and digital maybe print for people who still read newspapers. Okay,
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the overall narrative is the Cowboys are mess. Jerry Jones
is too involved. The can you say that Jerry Jones
too involved? Sure does he have ad drama that doesn't
previouslyst Sure do they always have a hold up holdout
which tends to bring attention sometimes negative leader team. Yes,
but they've done a better job of drafting. They've been
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more competitive, more relevant than the Raiders, not even close.
And he made a coaching change over the offseason, kept
his gentle manager it happens to be him, and hired
Brian Schottenheimer, who no one gave any sort of praise
to when he was hired.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
No one did.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
And yet feels like they did a much better job
than the Raiders, who tried to clean house again and
went and got a retread coach who brought his retread quarterback.
And they're in the exact same position they seem to
have been for the last twenty years, with no quarterback,
too many pieces that they need, and a coach who
probably doesn't fit the whole rebuild process.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
How'd I do that?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
That's a very good summation. And I understand they've had
issues on the offensive line as well, Doug, But even
if you have Colton Miller, Jackson Powers Johnson went out
last week against Denver, he's done for the year. Even
if you have those guys, you're still maxing out at
seven eight wins.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yep, yep, yep, And that is purgatory that's purgatory. The
good news is they're in position to potentially draft a
big time quarterback. The bad news is you have a
coach who's going to draft a big time quarterback and
have him hand the ball off for thirty times a game.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Gotta find the right guy. Gotta find the right guy.
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in a row. Hey, and I'm gonna say this as
a guy who you can go and do the your
career record, that's fine, that's fine. My career record is
not close, not close to what the head coach of
the Philadelphia Eagles record is. Yet I can tell you
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that he opened the door to being beaten when he
had the far better team. Both the past two weeks
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He's the one and only John Middlecoff. He joins us
on the Doug Gottlieb Show, John the Raiders. I've been
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in this field since two thousand and three, right that's
when I started. I filled in beforehand. In the time
in which I've been in national radio twenty two years
they've made the playoffs twice, They've had ten wins or
more in both of those years. They've only been five
hundred four other times, yes, four other times. How can
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you in a league that prides itself on half the
teams that make the playoffs one year don't make it
the next year. How have the Raiders been so consistently.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Bad well for a long time? When they played at
the Coliseum, which is obviously a historic dump right now
and every team in Oakland has left over the last
five or six years, but they didn't have the money.
You know, they were falling way behind in kind of
an arms race. I mean, the NFL is different than
college but they were in terms of revenue generation at
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the bottom. So they moved to Vegas, which ultimately was
the right call from a money standpoint. They involved Brady
in some of his money. Guys. They have way more
money now. It's about hiring the right guys. I do
think Mark Davis has tried right. He tried to hire
John Gruden, gave him one hundred million dollars. That thing
blew up in the space. Tried to hire Josh McDaniels.
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That thing blew up in the space. I do think
by Deck was a fantastic GM candidate and is good
at his job. But you know, and I don't know.
Obviously they're it's not his call to just hire Pete Carroll,
and I honestly didn't think it was that crazy. You
have a hire, you get this guy who clearly still
has the passion. Like I understand he's older, but he
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looks a lot younger. His energy is not an issue.
But I do think there is just like this thing
is not going to work because this guy, and rightfully so,
you're seventy four years old, like I think they thought
they could be confound ten wins. No, but you know,
a frisky seven to nine win team this year?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Who thought it was a seven to nine win team though, well.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Pete, because otherwise you trade Mac Crosby this offseason. You
don't keep if you think you're a three win team,
which they are headed to be. You don't hire Max Crosby,
or you don't resign Max Crosby, you trade him for
multiple ones when his values at an all time high
and teams are lined up trying to get Michael Parsons,
Miles Garrett and hopefully Max Crosby. And I mean look
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at the Browns. I mean, they just made him stay
simply put because they're they're losing every single week. And
this guy's like Lawrence Taylor. It's a waste and you
draft a running back really high. And I also think, listens, uh,
Pete Carroll's fired a lot of offensive coordinators. He had
no connection with Chip Kelly. Chip Kelly's become like this
mercenary guy and he got eighteen million dollars. I mean,
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you talk about I watched this Ponzi scheme thing going
on Amazon Prime about it called the Hollywood Hustler. He's
got a pretty good hustle going right now. I mean,
the offense is embarrassing, and you can be well, John,
they don't have any offensive lineman. If you're a good
offensive coordinator and you've got some of these weapons, you
should at least be able to manipulate some plays. And clearly,
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I think Geno's comments after the game were like, listen,
I'm not the biggest Geno guy, but he's proven over
the last couple years. You just give him somewhat credible,
you know, operation he's okay. I mean, he looks worse
and worse by the week. He's like just blame me.
I mean, I think he's saying a tongue of cheek,
I did the raided very disaster, and I think.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
That's that's my takeaway.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
They are a disaster, not even a good Cowboys team
with a bad defense that even the Cowboys like, Look,
we're just trying to get through this year to rebuild
the defense next year, right, Like the Cowboys at least
they're realistic with who they are, yeight.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
I mean they made Dallas look like a fourteen win
team last night, you know, and Dallas is a seven
or eight at best. But I think the difference is
is like Dallas has some infrastructure. Here's the other thing,
you know, Brian Schottenheimer took a lot of heat. Not
even he did, I mean the Cowboys did. But like
he's proven, like he's a good offensive coordinator and his
rapport with his quarterback. His offensive linemen are young, who
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knows if they're any good, but he can manipuate. He's
coaching up George Pickens, who Mike Tomlin punted on, Like
I'm watching Schottenheimer and go, I don't know how good
he is because we'll see that maybe next year when
they got better players. Sure, and people are like picking
them to make the playoffs. But clearly he's good at
offense and players like him. You're watching the Raiders, You're like,
are they quitting on all these guys? Because that they're
quitting on Pete, They're quitting on Chips. And I think,
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if I'm Brady, I get with spy tech and I
try to dis convince Mark, like, listen, it's gonna be embarrassing.
I think we just need to kind of hire a
young guy, trade everybody and just kind of break this
thing down to the studs.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Finally, Yeah, it's it's it's it's bad.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
So the Division two, Doug, I mean, the Chiefs are
having horrendous year. What are they going to go ten
to seven?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
You know?
Speaker 5 (26:19):
I mean it's they're not even The division is way
too hard. The three coaches and the infrastructure with the
Chargers now and obviously the Chiefs and the Broncos, it's
just not gonna be a fair fight.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Okay, let's get to Siriani.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I went when I was at the Packers Eagles game,
the next to last possession on second down, the Packers
have their full boat of timeouts and they throw the
ball on second down, on the other side of the
two minute warning.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
That makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Then they throw it on third down, it's incomplete, so
the Packers get the ball back, don't get anything punted,
and then he does it again. You know, going forward
on fourth and down makes no sense at all, no sense.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
So then this.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Week they're in their own territory. They got they got
a two score lead. The Lions have done nothing against
them all day. Why are they going forward on fourth down?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
What I think?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I know they've won both of these games, I get it,
But this is not about results.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
It's about process. Isn't that the wrong process? Well?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I think this week, I mean they just they just
swear by the tushbush and whenever it gets stopped, they
are just plumbixed. And those most people watching. So I
think they're just gonna lean end of the day, like
if the toush push, if it's a one yard situation,
they're gonna run the toushbush on the field. What they
could be backed up to their own goal line. I
think the previous week end of the day the Eagles
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philosophical belief as an organization, Like when they showed if
you were at the game, you didn't see but they
showed Jeffrey Lowie in the dur the back game. I
mean they're winning, They've won like twenty two of their
last twenty six games. He looks like he wants the
fallout of the box. You know why, Becausejeffrey Leary loves offense.
Jeffrey Leary likes to throw the ball like all those
(28:03):
years of the Indy Reeves like he throws the ball
too much. Jeffrey Leary's on board, you know, analytically, like
going four on fourth down, like he believes in what
Dan Campbell's doing. Like the organization promotes that, so they
they look at Dick Sirianni kind of taking the marching orders,
you know, and I think he knows because you wouldn't
do that if, like if you did that with the
Steelers or the Giants, like they were the equivalent of
(28:25):
being this good right, the old school owners would freak out.
That's just not the case in Philadelphia. It's not only promoted,
it is us.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's so as listen, I get it for most of
the game. I get it for most of the game.
You have a completely and thoroughly dominant defense. We're talking
the last minute, two minutes of a football game. We're
talking winning time when all that stuff sounds good, but
it's like, hey, you haven't scored on my defense. I
have a great defense. All I got Like you go
(28:55):
back to the Packer game. Just take a knee twice. Hey,
on first one, the they got to burn two timeouts,
then they got to two minute warning.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
They got no chance.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
They had no chance, but they're giving a chance.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Made to pivot in ther identity. Like, I know, you're
paying your quarterback and the wide wide receivers a lot
of money. But now that Fangio has a couple more weapons,
you're gonna be You're gonna have, you know, right there
with Denver and Houston, like one of the best defense
in the league. That's gonna be our identity. Run the ball,
make it ugly, and I think they just need to
embrace it. But I'm just telling you that's not how
they think. It's why, let's face, most teams, once they
(29:30):
started freaking out and defending champs might have been like, listen,
let's just punt on a first round pick. Let's just
get out of this. But the Eagles just don't think
like that. They're gonna They're gonna keep promoting and try
to pass like they should stop passing it as much.
It does not work.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
It does not work. This is the Doug Gottlieb Shore.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
You listen to Fox Sports Radio, John middleclasts our guest,
of course, to announces podcast and the Volume podcast network.
Did you see this happening in New England this quickly?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
I thought they were going to be good. Just when
you look at the schedule. I think two schedules really
jumped out at the beginning of the season were New
England and San Francisco. It's like, it's gonna be hard
for these teams not to win ten games. Obviously, the
Niners have a million injuries. They look like they're headed
toward ten wins. I thought New England like the forty
nine ers, ten win team, not like thirteen or fourteen.
(30:21):
So I now part of it is and I think
Belichick and Brady be the first tell you. It's like, hey,
you get four games against Miami and the Jets, and
that can be very lucrative to the win loss record.
So it's that's paying dividends. But their quarterback is playing great. Obviously,
defensively they look much better. You know, every move they've
(30:42):
made from like Diggs. I was like, why he's signing
Digs torn Acl I mean, he's playing his butt off,
he's blocking, he's bought in and at the end of
the day, like say what you want about him, and
he can be you know, wide receivers have big personality,
you can drive people nuts. He's been associated with winning
majority of his career. Right in Minnesota they were good,
went to Buffalo, they won a lot of games. He's
(31:04):
got a wide receiver personality, but he is a winning player.
And then I think when you factor into they got
some of these young guys. Listen, you know sometimes you
get a young guy he's not body on the details. Well,
now it's like the Henderson the running back from Ohio
State five touchdowns the last two weeks has been I mean,
if they start getting him going because he's an explosive player.
(31:24):
I think I saw the Kyle Williams, the wide receiver
from Washington State. It's got injured, but you know he's
his explosive speed. So the scary part for everybody this
is probably going to be their worst team over the
course of the next couple of years.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yep, they're only going to get better. They're only going.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
To Buffalo was in trouble, and I think they knew it.
You know, that game against Tampa was must win once
you factored in that New England and won on Thursday,
and Tampa was bringing it. They had that kid from
Syracuse making plays. I thought, Oh my god. And then
Josh Allen basically just went like Steph Curry. He's like, yeah,
of course they see today. Can't we can't lose?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Hey, real real quick? Is it time to freak out
about Kansas City yet?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:06):
It's just I mean, it's just not gonna be their year.
I mean, I think when the Dust battles, they still
end up ten and seven and probably six or seven feeds.
But like this happened in New England that they had
some weird years over and they're gonna have to pivot, right,
You're gonna have to hit on some players in the
draft to become your Devin mccordy. You'r Dante high Tower,
You're Julian Edelman and have this second iteration of the
(32:28):
group because Travis Kelsey probably retires, if not this year,
next year, and Chris Jones is you know, a fifty
percent of the game's player at this point, so they're
gonna heat on a couple of guys. They already got
some young players. Let's face it, they're gonna need pat
Patty Mahomes to to play a little better. You know,
he's he's he's an all time great. But we got
(32:50):
David Worthy for a reason. You got to hit him
down the field, no question.
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Speaker 3 (33:42):
All right, Doug, the game today is rank up. All right.
Doug ranked the top three teams in the NFL through
eleven weeks of the season. Okay, should mean to catch
you off guard.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
No oh, no, I just I you know I.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Done this. I know. My issue is with.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Again, how do I I've kind of pooped on the
Broncos and then they beat the Chiefs, who I really
liked so but they're at home. I'm still doing Eagles one.
I'm doing Ankle Eagles one. I'm gonna do Rams two,
and I'm gonna say the culture.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Three all right, makes some sense?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
He five and zero on the road.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
I feel like I'm under selling them, but my logic is,
you know, the Rams have a quarterback who's won a
Super Bowl and is unbelievable, and their defense is really,
really good.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
The Eagles did win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
They've been dominant in classic Eagles fashion, like the Lions
could do nothing with them. And obviously the Colts are
the ones who I don't believe as much in Danny dimes,
but they probably have the league's envy and they got
a little bit more talent than anybody wants to hear.
And I don't know if you know this. They have
the biggest point differential of anybody in the league. We
(35:09):
don't do point differential in football like we do in baseball,
but consider like the Broncos are a plus sixty five
at nine and two, the Cults are a plus one
fifteen at eight and two.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Colts are my number.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Three, Seahawks are second and plus one on one, and
the Rams are third at plus one hundred. Rank the
top three. Surprising Week eleven outcomes, Doug, Oh, what surprised you?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
And Rake? Eleven? Great question.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
I unfortunately picked the Raiders last night. I don't know why,
but I did know.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah, that one. I don't know why either surprises. I
would say, you said.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Results, Yeah, just outcomes?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, what I mean again, I don't. I wouldn't do
Jags over the charge Jacks were favored. I mean, I
think it would be that big a blowout. No, honestly,
I would say Broncos Chiefs would be one. Okay, Eagles
Lions is two. And it's not because I'm surprised the
Eagles beat the Lions. I was just surprised that Jared
(36:17):
Golf was fourteen at thirty seven, he never had a
second to play. He looked he looked like rookie year
Rams Jared Golf and then honestly, bears over Vikings would
be three.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
All right, we may get to that game and Tuesday
morning quarterback. Maybe some foreshadowing Doug rank the top three
schools not with vacancies. We're talking throughout college football for
Lane Kiffin. Top three schools you'd like to see Lane
Kiffin at all?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
See Lang Kiffin at Yes, it's.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Not personal if we fire anybody, but.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
No, no, I mean I would say three would be
Florida just because they've been so good and I would
like to see and and he has a little bit
of Steve Spurrier to him, right, wasn't the player of
Steve Spurrier, but some of the I don't give a flip,
say whatever you want, Like again, that was Spurrier. I
(37:16):
would say, So we'll put Florida at three, Florida.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
At three, hm.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Quickly, I'd like to see him at Penn State. Penn
State two, okay, just because he's so not Penn State, right,
they're so conservative, they're not Penn State. And I'll take
number one place like USC.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Back at USC Yeah, back at one, And Doug, rank
your favorite Caribbean island.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I've never been to the Caribbean, so I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I'm gonna go US Virgin Islands.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
One.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
I'm gonna do Guba. Two just because i want to
go to Cuba. And I've always want to go to Aruba.
My friends have gone to Ruba. Plus I like that
Beach Boys.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Song Aruba Jamaica.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Oh, that's it, and that's the press. Don't call it
a what is it? Tuesday morning? Quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
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a million ways we could go with today's show, because
(01:15):
last night's game was so it wasn't even mid It
actually lived down to everything Jason Stewart has said about
the failings of the National Football League right where it's
is like people keep watching and it's just not that
good a product. Game did not feel like it was
in question. We can get to a little bit of
love for Dak Prescott, who has I think, without any question,
(01:41):
regained some footing in those top ten quarterback discussions, even
though none of this is the playoff games. They're not
going to the playoffs likely this year. To me, the
discussion is.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Over the Raiders. It's over the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I have a ton of personal knowledge of the Raiders.
You know, I've had family members work for the Raiders
over the years, and you know, like Telesco, who joins
us on a weekly basis, he was the gentle manager
of the Raiders for a year. And I think that's
kind of the biggest issue the Raiders since two thousand
(02:20):
and two, okay, or really, if you want to go,
since two thousand and one when John Gruden left. The
next year, Bill Callahan took them to a Super Bowl
and they won eleven games since then. Since then, and
we're talking about the last twenty three years, they've had
two double digit win seasons. And here's the kicker. They
(02:44):
haven't had any nine win seasons. They've only had four
eight win seasons. So what you think about this for
the last twenty three years? Last twenty three years, the
Oakland Raiders, who are a historic power and a big
name in the Nation Football League, I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
This is just crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
They've had six seasons of five hundred or better. It
seems almost impossible to be that bad, right, They're not average,
they're below average. Most team in the leagues finished between
seven and nine, nine and seven. Remember now, only do
(03:28):
they only have those four eight win seasons during that
same period of time, they only have two seven win seasons.
And you're like, wait, now, you're kind of nickeling, Timon, No,
I'm not. Most teams in the NFL finished between seven
and nine, nine and seven will have fifteen of them
this year. So only eight times in twenty three years
(03:51):
they finished with seven wins or more? How is that possible?
How is that level of bad luck slash mismanagement possible?
And it's not like the end they've had, you know,
they've had some curious coaching decisions. They did have John
Gruden for three of those years. When he returned, they
(04:11):
had Lane Kiffen, but it was back in the day
and Lane Kiffen won four games his first year, then
fired early on in his second year. They have had
NORV Turner, who has seen as an offensive genius in
some of his stylings. His sons still coaching in the
league today. They've had Jack del Rio, who took them
to one of their double digit win season, their twelve
win season. The ten win season that they had in
twenty twenty one was won the COVID year and two.
(04:34):
Rich Pasaccia, who's a special teams coach with the Packers,
was responsible for their late season and really kind of
took a miracle to get them to that tenth win
and get them into the playoffs. It's almost impossible. How
bad the Raiders have been almost impossible. But I think
(04:55):
it's Do I think that Pete Carroll is in Capele
I do not do. I think it's his first year.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I do.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And this is the classic house that somebody decided to
redo a long time ago. And now we've gone through
five different contractors, and it has no theme, it has
no feel, and no one knows exactly what it is
other than hey, this used to be a really cool
house in a really cool spot and it is not now,
(05:27):
Like we do. I'm not a harp on the negative guy.
Do we pick out negative things? Is that part of
sports radio? Of course it.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Is, but we don't.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
We don't ride the Jaguars, who, by the way, won
this weekend. We had Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon upcoming,
and I think the guys have done a great job
of some topics. Bless you dan Byer, Bless you dan Byer.
Bless you dan Byer, Bless you Danbyer. Forst is that
another one?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Okay? Do you go threes or forest Dan?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I sometimes go five or six to be wow, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
That's most people go three. Don't you guys go three?
I'm a three guy. If it goes over that third seed, sneeze.
I don't make you to say anything nice about me period.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I'll just say this, I'm rare, but I do know
others like me that sneeze four or five six times.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
When we see yeah, it's like a quick rabbit one
for you. Yeah, mine are big, like blowout any of
the brains left in your head. Three sneezes, and then
if I get to four, just be done with me,
throw me away. I'm worthless. But I again, I want
you to think about this. It's one of those we're
in a an era. College football is taking this on
(06:39):
and the NFL, you know, we still get to it,
which is like the second your season feels like it's lost,
fire the coach. Here's a perfect example, and I'll grant
you McDaniels. It didn't work, Piers. I don't know if
it was working. I get the feeling it was not.
(06:59):
Carro has one wherever he's been. And obviously part of
it was it was getting closer to what grew, you know,
grew building from four wins, seven wins, eight wins, and
then without him ten wins, and then he was gone
and they lost all of their uncle you know, Uncle
Moe after that. But there's ever been a case for
(07:22):
sticking with the process, not just change for change's sake.
I give you the Oakland Raiders and look, you know,
three GMS in the last three years, tack five in
the last five years.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
This is what it looks like. This is that's five contractors.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
That's everybody has their own idea and nobody sticks with
the previous idea, and you keep moving out parts and
moving in quarterbacks. Yes, Pete Carroll continues. They they decided
Gino was worth it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
He's not. He's just not.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
He topped out a while back. He's a better version
of what he used to be. And now he's getting older,
and he's not protected particularly well. And they don't have
great weapons, you know, and this.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Is what they do.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
But I mean in terms of how much the Raiders
are talked about, all the good feelings you get rooting
for them, or feelings of the past, or maybe you
don't like the Raiders or don't like their fans, whatever,
I mean, in terms of actual success, think about that.
The Raiders have had two seasons of double digit wins
(08:29):
in the last twenty three years. They've had six seasons
of five hundred or better. That's laughingstock of the NFL.
And it's not for a lack of trying. It's not
for not having really good people involved. And it's not
for an owner who you know, previously didn't have any money.
(08:50):
They have money since moving to Vegas. They've just had way, way, way, way, way.
Too many chiefs and not enough any and too many
different directions, too many different ideas when just stick with
one plan and write it out. And you know, it's
(09:10):
covered up by the fact that they had the one
playoff year. They've been to the playoffs twice, you know,
sixteen and twenty one, but even two playoff appearances since
twenty three. That's unbelievable, unbelievable. But the Raiders went from
you know, when Gruden was there the first time, it
(09:34):
was only four years. It was eight and eight, eight
and eight, twelve, ten wins. Then he left and they
went to the Super Bowl, and then the bottom fell out,
and it was just bad decision after bad decision after
bad decision. And it's almost it's more impressive to me
how many good people have not been able to figure
(09:54):
out the Raiders Rub's cube than it is people that
can figure out the Rube's cube for somebody else. I mean, Dan,
you study this thing. And by the way, this has
been all of for all of our time. And when
I say all of our I mean Jason, Dan and I.
(10:14):
Jason's worked in the business a little bit longer than
Dan and I, but generally about twenty five years. I mean,
you think about it, for most of the twenty a
quarter century, the Raiders have been a non competitive football team.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
In the NFL.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That seems that seems almost impossible considering the image of
who the Raiders are supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, and you said that you don't think that it's ownership,
but I do like that's the constant, because what else
could you blame it on. Right, They've tried so many
different things, and maybe it's because they've stuck with certain
(10:59):
things longer and haven't stuck with other things for as
long as they should. And I think that that's the problem.
I think that ownership and Mark Davis are trying so
many different things and I think that this one is
one that is doomed to fail. And when you look
at bringing Pete Carroll in, like there's there's there's a point,
(11:20):
and I know they're going to need time to build
a roster, but realistically, the game may have passed Pete
Carroll by because the game has changed dramatically in the
last five years, it's changed in the last ten years.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
All let me, let me, let me ask you a question, Okay,
And you're talking about his incredibly conservative nature as a coach.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
So what you're talking about, so, yeah, talking about yeah,
a lot of that.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Okay, correct, Who's been the best team in the NFL
the past two years? Fair to say the Eagles? Sure, okay,
I mean the other team would be the Chiefs. And
the honestly, honesty was last year in the regular season,
Chiefs were extremely conservative offensively right, because their offense won
very good. They won bit based on their defense. So
(12:06):
I understand what you're saying and that it may have
passed them by. It may have, but we have teams
being really successful being very conservative.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I'm not talking about going forward on fourth down. I'm
not talking about punting it in that situation. I'm talking
about that everything Like for Pete Carroll, the whole mantra
for Pete Carroll's entire career has been compete. And again
this is a small part of this twenty five year
window that you're talking about. Pete Carroll wants to win everything.
(12:39):
He wants to win at everything, whether they have the
pieces or not. So they're likely going to max out
because they are trying to win now. They are trying
to do their things now. I don't think that it's
a surprise that the Seahawks roster has turned into pretty
good roster since Pete Carroll's gone departure. Yeah, yes, and
(13:01):
trying to find an identity of being who you are.
And this is on the heels of the reason why
I think that Pete Carroll was brought in was was
to compete right away, to maybe win nine games. But
that's where you don't want to be in the National
Football League, which is your point at the beginning of
the segment of being in that middle part of like
that's where half the league is, and that would be
(13:24):
a success for the Raiders right now, right, but that's yeah,
where they're going to max out at. So that's my
point about like with Pete Carroll being there.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
No, you're right, Okay, but okay, so let's get to
let's just get to the failings.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Of this year.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Okay, failings of this year. If we start with why
would you hire Pete Carroll? It was a weird hire, Mike,
And the guess is, just like anybody in coaching and
lots of businesses, you do the opposite of what you
did previously. Previously, they had a completely unproven coach who
(13:57):
was an interim head coach, a still of a former player,
and they felt like the discipline was missing and the
knowledge in the history, so they went with the most
experienced guy they could get, right, that's the logic behind it. Yeah, again,
I'm not saying I agree with the logical. Pete Carroll
would have been the hire, and it's not a weird
hire to you and me. But the point is that
(14:20):
instead of going after like a Lincoln Riley and saying, hey,
here's a dynamic offensive play caller, who give him a
couple of years, he'll figure out the NFL and we
may get a John Gruden before he was John Gruden
type of thing, they did what so many people in
business do, which is, if the previous one doesn't go well,
hire the compoler opposite. And they did, and they did, yes,
(14:42):
and he brought with him a quarterback who had begun
to get exposed last year. Remember you go back a
couple of years ago and Gino Smith early on the
year was to feel good story and you watched the Seahawks.
So I don't need to tell you, but I could
tell everybody else Gino wasn't good last year with the Seahawks.
It shouldn't be a surprise. It just should not. You know,
(15:05):
last year with the Seahawks twenty one touchdowns, fifteen interceptions,
they were solid ten and seven, but not because of him.
He was seventy percent completion percentage. Why just throws he
could make and nothing else. Right, Again, this is to
your point, the Pete Carroll style, right, extremely conservative, But
you do get to a point where when you have
(15:27):
less talent on your roster that at some point the
quarterback is going to have to carry you. And Gino
isn't and hasn't been truly capable of carrying anybody. And
that's got exposed factor in a weaker offensive line, factor
in not enough skill, bosiness in players, the defense isn't there.
And yeah, it's been an abject disaster. Now do I
think that's fire Pete Carroll, No, because then you're gonna
(15:48):
have to start all over. But the logic behind Pete
Carroll's hiring was, Hey, we took we were way too inexperienced.
Now we're super experienced. And they've missed on both and
I don't don't know where they are in the future.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah, on their super experience to the seventy four year
old head coach and a quarterback who is likely riding
off into the sunset of his career. Yeah, and it's
that quick decision to try to or that decision to
to move off of Antonio Pierce, which was the decision
to keep him because guess what the Patriot Way Las
(16:23):
Vegas style with Josh McDaniels and Dave Zigler didn't work out.
Your guy Telesco's there for a year, he's gone like
this is it's just over and over, like Gruden gets
pushed out.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
No, that's that's where you want to say ownership.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I will completely agree with you, and I do think
like if you're going to give the owner credit, and
I would, which is unlike his dad. I don't think
he gets involved in the game planning or in the
player of personnel stuff. But he is impetuous and he
does want to win. And wanting to win is great, okay,
(16:58):
but wanted to win and constantly move around pieces and
firing guys whatever, listening to the wrong people is not,
you know, is not. I mean obviously, I emotionally, I'm
sitting there going you hired Tom toe LESCo, you give
him one draft and then you decide we're going to
pull the plug because you felt like Tom Telesco was
(17:19):
tied to your coach who was hired before you ever
he ever got him there, I thought, I think that's
the mistake, right, whether you like or don't like Tom Telesco,
and I do, right, he did draft you, the rookie
of the year, didn't he right? His reward was he
got fired for drafting you, the rookie of the year
who happened to be a tight end and not a
quarterback who wasn't really available, or they would have had
(17:40):
to move so many pieces to get a quarterback that
they wouldn't have had anything else on the roster.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So yeah, I think the I think the the Raiders
are a mess. That the story of last night is
that despite all of our not our because I don't
do it, but so many people on radio and television
and digital maybe print for people who still read newspapers. Okay,
(18:10):
the overall narrative is the Cowboys are mess. Jerry Jones
is too involved. The can you say that Jerry Jones
too involved? Sure does he have ad drama that doesn't
previouslyst Sure do they always have a hold up holdout
which tends to bring attention sometimes negative leader team. Yes,
but they've done a better job of drafting. They've been
(18:33):
more competitive, more relevant than the Raiders, not even close.
And he made a coaching change over the offseason, kept
his gentle manager it happens to be him, and hired
Brian Schottenheimer, who no one gave any sort of praise
to when he was hired.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
No one did.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
And yet feels like they did a much better job
than the Raiders, who tried to clean house again and
went and got a retread coach who brought his retread quarterback.
And they're in the exact same position they seem to
have been for the last twenty years, with no quarterback,
too many pieces that they need, and a coach who
probably doesn't fit the whole rebuild process.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
How'd I do that?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
That's a very good summation. And I understand they've had
issues on the offensive line as well, Doug, But even
if you have Colton Miller, Jackson Powers Johnson went out
last week against Denver, he's done for the year. Even
if you have those guys, you're still maxing out at
seven eight wins.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yep, yep, yep, And that is purgatory that's purgatory. The
good news is they're in position to potentially draft a
big time quarterback. The bad news is you have a
coach who's going to draft a big time quarterback and
have him hand the ball off for thirty times a game.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Gotta find the right guy. Gotta find the right guy.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
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in a row. Hey, and I'm gonna say this as
a guy who you can go and do the your
career record, that's fine, that's fine. My career record is
not close, not close to what the head coach of
the Philadelphia Eagles record is. Yet I can tell you
(21:17):
that he opened the door to being beaten when he
had the far better team. Both the past two weeks
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Let's Welcome In.
He hosts three and Out on the Volume podcast network.
He's the one and only John Middlecoff. He joins us
on the Doug Gottlieb Show, John the Raiders. I've been
(21:40):
in this field since two thousand and three, right that's
when I started. I filled in beforehand. In the time
in which I've been in national radio twenty two years
they've made the playoffs twice, They've had ten wins or
more in both of those years. They've only been five
hundred four other times, yes, four other times. How can
(22:04):
you in a league that prides itself on half the
teams that make the playoffs one year don't make it
the next year. How have the Raiders been so consistently.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Bad well for a long time? When they played at
the Coliseum, which is obviously a historic dump right now
and every team in Oakland has left over the last
five or six years, but they didn't have the money.
You know, they were falling way behind in kind of
an arms race. I mean, the NFL is different than
college but they were in terms of revenue generation at
(22:35):
the bottom. So they moved to Vegas, which ultimately was
the right call from a money standpoint. They involved Brady
in some of his money. Guys. They have way more
money now. It's about hiring the right guys. I do
think Mark Davis has tried right. He tried to hire
John Gruden, gave him one hundred million dollars. That thing
blew up in the space. Tried to hire Josh McDaniels.
(22:56):
That thing blew up in the space. I do think
by Deck was a fantastic GM candidate and is good
at his job. But you know, and I don't know.
Obviously they're it's not his call to just hire Pete Carroll,
and I honestly didn't think it was that crazy. You
have a hire, you get this guy who clearly still
has the passion. Like I understand he's older, but he
(23:18):
looks a lot younger. His energy is not an issue.
But I do think there is just like this thing
is not going to work because this guy, and rightfully so,
you're seventy four years old, like I think they thought
they could be confound ten wins. No, but you know,
a frisky seven to nine win team this year?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Who thought it was a seven to nine win team though, well.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Pete, because otherwise you trade Mac Crosby this offseason. You
don't keep if you think you're a three win team,
which they are headed to be. You don't hire Max Crosby,
or you don't resign Max Crosby, you trade him for
multiple ones when his values at an all time high
and teams are lined up trying to get Michael Parsons,
Miles Garrett and hopefully Max Crosby. And I mean look
(23:58):
at the Browns. I mean, they just made him stay
simply put because they're they're losing every single week. And
this guy's like Lawrence Taylor. It's a waste and you
draft a running back really high. And I also think, listens, uh,
Pete Carroll's fired a lot of offensive coordinators. He had
no connection with Chip Kelly. Chip Kelly's become like this
mercenary guy and he got eighteen million dollars. I mean,
(24:19):
you talk about I watched this Ponzi scheme thing going
on Amazon Prime about it called the Hollywood Hustler. He's
got a pretty good hustle going right now. I mean,
the offense is embarrassing, and you can be well, John,
they don't have any offensive lineman. If you're a good
offensive coordinator and you've got some of these weapons, you
should at least be able to manipulate some plays. And clearly,
(24:39):
I think Geno's comments after the game were like, listen,
I'm not the biggest Geno guy, but he's proven over
the last couple years. You just give him somewhat credible,
you know, operation he's okay. I mean, he looks worse
and worse by the week. He's like just blame me.
I mean, I think he's saying a tongue of cheek,
I did the raided very disaster, and I think.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
That's that's my takeaway.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
They are a disaster, not even a good Cowboys team
with a bad defense that even the Cowboys like, Look,
we're just trying to get through this year to rebuild
the defense next year, right, Like the Cowboys at least
they're realistic with who they are, yeight.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
I mean they made Dallas look like a fourteen win
team last night, you know, and Dallas is a seven
or eight at best. But I think the difference is
is like Dallas has some infrastructure. Here's the other thing,
you know, Brian Schottenheimer took a lot of heat. Not
even he did, I mean the Cowboys did. But like
he's proven, like he's a good offensive coordinator and his
rapport with his quarterback. His offensive linemen are young, who
(25:37):
knows if they're any good, but he can manipuate. He's
coaching up George Pickens, who Mike Tomlin punted on, Like
I'm watching Schottenheimer and go, I don't know how good
he is because we'll see that maybe next year when
they got better players. Sure, and people are like picking
them to make the playoffs. But clearly he's good at
offense and players like him. You're watching the Raiders, You're like,
are they quitting on all these guys? Because that they're
quitting on Pete, They're quitting on Chips. And I think,
(25:57):
if I'm Brady, I get with spy tech and I
try to dis convince Mark, like, listen, it's gonna be embarrassing.
I think we just need to kind of hire a
young guy, trade everybody and just kind of break this
thing down to the studs.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Finally, Yeah, it's it's it's it's bad.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
So the Division two, Doug, I mean, the Chiefs are
having horrendous year. What are they going to go ten
to seven?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
You know?
Speaker 5 (26:19):
I mean it's they're not even The division is way
too hard. The three coaches and the infrastructure with the
Chargers now and obviously the Chiefs and the Broncos, it's
just not gonna be a fair fight.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Okay, let's get to Siriani.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I went when I was at the Packers Eagles game,
the next to last possession on second down, the Packers
have their full boat of timeouts and they throw the
ball on second down, on the other side of the
two minute warning.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
That makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Then they throw it on third down, it's incomplete, so
the Packers get the ball back, don't get anything punted,
and then he does it again. You know, going forward
on fourth and down makes no sense at all, no sense.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
So then this.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Week they're in their own territory. They got they got
a two score lead. The Lions have done nothing against
them all day. Why are they going forward on fourth down?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
What I think?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I know they've won both of these games, I get it,
But this is not about results.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
It's about process. Isn't that the wrong process? Well?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I think this week, I mean they just they just
swear by the tushbush and whenever it gets stopped, they
are just plumbixed. And those most people watching. So I
think they're just gonna lean end of the day, like
if the toush push, if it's a one yard situation,
they're gonna run the toushbush on the field. What they
could be backed up to their own goal line. I
think the previous week end of the day the Eagles
(27:42):
philosophical belief as an organization, Like when they showed if
you were at the game, you didn't see but they
showed Jeffrey Lowie in the dur the back game. I
mean they're winning, They've won like twenty two of their
last twenty six games. He looks like he wants the
fallout of the box. You know why, Becausejeffrey Leary loves offense.
Jeffrey Leary likes to throw the ball like all those
(28:03):
years of the Indy Reeves like he throws the ball
too much. Jeffrey Leary's on board, you know, analytically, like
going four on fourth down, like he believes in what
Dan Campbell's doing. Like the organization promotes that, so they
they look at Dick Sirianni kind of taking the marching orders,
you know, and I think he knows because you wouldn't
do that if, like if you did that with the
Steelers or the Giants, like they were the equivalent of
(28:25):
being this good right, the old school owners would freak out.
That's just not the case in Philadelphia. It's not only promoted,
it is us.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's so as listen, I get it for most of
the game. I get it for most of the game.
You have a completely and thoroughly dominant defense. We're talking
the last minute, two minutes of a football game. We're
talking winning time when all that stuff sounds good, but
it's like, hey, you haven't scored on my defense. I
have a great defense. All I got Like you go
(28:55):
back to the Packer game. Just take a knee twice. Hey,
on first one, the they got to burn two timeouts,
then they got to two minute warning.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
They got no chance.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
They had no chance, but they're giving a chance.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Made to pivot in ther identity. Like, I know, you're
paying your quarterback and the wide wide receivers a lot
of money. But now that Fangio has a couple more weapons,
you're gonna be You're gonna have, you know, right there
with Denver and Houston, like one of the best defense
in the league. That's gonna be our identity. Run the ball,
make it ugly, and I think they just need to
embrace it. But I'm just telling you that's not how
they think. It's why, let's face, most teams, once they
(29:30):
started freaking out and defending champs might have been like, listen,
let's just punt on a first round pick. Let's just
get out of this. But the Eagles just don't think
like that. They're gonna They're gonna keep promoting and try
to pass like they should stop passing it as much.
It does not work.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
It does not work. This is the Doug Gottlieb Shore.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
You listen to Fox Sports Radio, John middleclasts our guest,
of course, to announces podcast and the Volume podcast network.
Did you see this happening in New England this quickly?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
I thought they were going to be good. Just when
you look at the schedule. I think two schedules really
jumped out at the beginning of the season were New
England and San Francisco. It's like, it's gonna be hard
for these teams not to win ten games. Obviously, the
Niners have a million injuries. They look like they're headed
toward ten wins. I thought New England like the forty
nine ers, ten win team, not like thirteen or fourteen.
(30:21):
So I now part of it is and I think
Belichick and Brady be the first tell you. It's like, hey,
you get four games against Miami and the Jets, and
that can be very lucrative to the win loss record.
So it's that's paying dividends. But their quarterback is playing great. Obviously,
defensively they look much better. You know, every move they've
(30:42):
made from like Diggs. I was like, why he's signing
Digs torn Acl I mean, he's playing his butt off,
he's blocking, he's bought in and at the end of
the day, like say what you want about him, and
he can be you know, wide receivers have big personality,
you can drive people nuts. He's been associated with winning
majority of his career. Right in Minnesota they were good,
went to Buffalo, they won a lot of games. He's
(31:04):
got a wide receiver personality, but he is a winning player.
And then I think when you factor into they got
some of these young guys. Listen, you know sometimes you
get a young guy he's not body on the details. Well,
now it's like the Henderson the running back from Ohio
State five touchdowns the last two weeks has been I mean,
if they start getting him going because he's an explosive player.
(31:24):
I think I saw the Kyle Williams, the wide receiver
from Washington State. It's got injured, but you know he's
his explosive speed. So the scary part for everybody this
is probably going to be their worst team over the
course of the next couple of years.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yep, they're only going to get better. They're only going.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
To Buffalo was in trouble, and I think they knew it.
You know, that game against Tampa was must win once
you factored in that New England and won on Thursday,
and Tampa was bringing it. They had that kid from
Syracuse making plays. I thought, Oh my god. And then
Josh Allen basically just went like Steph Curry. He's like, yeah,
of course they see today. Can't we can't lose?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Hey, real real quick? Is it time to freak out
about Kansas City yet?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:06):
It's just I mean, it's just not gonna be their year.
I mean, I think when the Dust battles, they still
end up ten and seven and probably six or seven feeds.
But like this happened in New England that they had
some weird years over and they're gonna have to pivot, right,
You're gonna have to hit on some players in the
draft to become your Devin mccordy. You'r Dante high Tower,
You're Julian Edelman and have this second iteration of the
(32:28):
group because Travis Kelsey probably retires, if not this year,
next year, and Chris Jones is you know, a fifty
percent of the game's player at this point, so they're
gonna heat on a couple of guys. They already got
some young players. Let's face it, they're gonna need pat
Patty Mahomes to to play a little better. You know,
he's he's he's an all time great. But we got
(32:50):
David Worthy for a reason. You got to hit him
down the field, no question.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
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Speaker 3 (33:42):
All right, Doug, the game today is rank up. All right.
Doug ranked the top three teams in the NFL through
eleven weeks of the season. Okay, should mean to catch
you off guard.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
No oh, no, I just I you know I.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Done this. I know. My issue is with.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Again, how do I I've kind of pooped on the
Broncos and then they beat the Chiefs, who I really
liked so but they're at home. I'm still doing Eagles one.
I'm doing Ankle Eagles one. I'm gonna do Rams two,
and I'm gonna say the culture.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Three all right, makes some sense?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
He five and zero on the road.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
I feel like I'm under selling them, but my logic is,
you know, the Rams have a quarterback who's won a
Super Bowl and is unbelievable, and their defense is really,
really good.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
The Eagles did win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
They've been dominant in classic Eagles fashion, like the Lions
could do nothing with them. And obviously the Colts are
the ones who I don't believe as much in Danny dimes,
but they probably have the league's envy and they got
a little bit more talent than anybody wants to hear.
And I don't know if you know this. They have
the biggest point differential of anybody in the league. We
(35:09):
don't do point differential in football like we do in baseball,
but consider like the Broncos are a plus sixty five
at nine and two, the Cults are a plus one
fifteen at eight and two.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Colts are my number.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Three, Seahawks are second and plus one on one, and
the Rams are third at plus one hundred. Rank the
top three. Surprising Week eleven outcomes, Doug, Oh, what surprised you?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
And Rake? Eleven? Great question.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
I unfortunately picked the Raiders last night. I don't know why,
but I did know.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah, that one. I don't know why either surprises. I
would say, you said.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Results, Yeah, just outcomes?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, what I mean again, I don't. I wouldn't do
Jags over the charge Jacks were favored. I mean, I
think it would be that big a blowout. No, honestly,
I would say Broncos Chiefs would be one. Okay, Eagles
Lions is two. And it's not because I'm surprised the
Eagles beat the Lions. I was just surprised that Jared
(36:17):
Golf was fourteen at thirty seven, he never had a
second to play. He looked he looked like rookie year
Rams Jared Golf and then honestly, bears over Vikings would
be three.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
All right, we may get to that game and Tuesday
morning quarterback. Maybe some foreshadowing Doug rank the top three
schools not with vacancies. We're talking throughout college football for
Lane Kiffin. Top three schools you'd like to see Lane
Kiffin at all?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
See Lang Kiffin at Yes, it's.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Not personal if we fire anybody, but.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
No, no, I mean I would say three would be
Florida just because they've been so good and I would
like to see and and he has a little bit
of Steve Spurrier to him, right, wasn't the player of
Steve Spurrier, but some of the I don't give a flip,
say whatever you want, Like again, that was Spurrier. I
(37:16):
would say, So we'll put Florida at three, Florida.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
At three, hm.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Quickly, I'd like to see him at Penn State. Penn
State two, okay, just because he's so not Penn State, right,
they're so conservative, they're not Penn State. And I'll take
number one place like USC.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Back at USC Yeah, back at one, And Doug, rank
your favorite Caribbean island.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I've never been to the Caribbean, so I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I'm gonna go US Virgin Islands.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
One.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
I'm gonna do Guba. Two just because i want to
go to Cuba. And I've always want to go to Aruba.
My friends have gone to Ruba. Plus I like that
Beach Boys.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Song Aruba Jamaica.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Oh, that's it, and that's the press. Don't call it
a what is it? Tuesday morning? Quarterback in the afternoon.
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