Best of the Doug Gottlieb Show: 09/03/2020

Jason Smith and Mike Harmon, sit in for Doug Gottlieb, and talk about a shocking report regarding the impact of COVID-19 on collegiate athletes and explain why Giannis Antetokounmpo reminds them of Hall of Fame quarterback Peyton Manning. The guys discuss the atrocious officiating in the NBA playoffs and get former NBA player Ryan Hollins’ thoughts on the second round.

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(00:22):
of the Doug got Leave Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Greetings and welcome inside the Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Jason Smith Mike Harmon in for Doug
and the crew today as we get set for a
day that hopefully brings better and more well officiated basketball

(00:42):
games than we had a day ago. I'm not complaining
about the the the outcomes and the craziness, Mike Carmen,
but my goodness, if we if we get those soft
touch fouls like we saw yesterday, and the heat and
the Bucks and you got Chris Paul going crazy over
Scott Foster, I mean, the rest of these NBA playoffs
are gonna be anarchy. Well, basically, you're you're just admitting
that everything you did wrong in the eighties and nineties

(01:05):
et cetera. You officiated it incorrectly in the playoffs, and
that you shouldn't have let them beat the hell out
of each other. Everything should have been a file. Everybody
should have been going to the line. Well, we had
seventy one free throws uh in one of the games yesterday.
I mean, just ridiculous. Jump shooters filed left and right.
The controversy at the end, absolute cast by the way

(01:26):
they were able to go to war like they were
offensive and defensive lineman down in the low post. That
was fine, but if you touched a jump shooter, shame
on you. You got the the whistle of shame. Uh.
It'll be better, but you know you woke up with
more chaos as well. So all things going around in
this sporting universe. Happy to be in with you. Well, hey, listen, listen,

(01:49):
there's there just I want to go back to something
you said in the very beginning. There's things that that
were that were okay in the eighties and nineties, things
that I did in the eighties and nineties that clearly
would be frowned upon today. I've me, I don't I
don't want to. I don't want to sit back and
go through anything that happened in the eighties and nineties,
you know, stealing a mailbox or anything, but that would
be frowned upon today in in in the real world.

(02:10):
You know, in the real world, there's changes that have happened,
and you know, certain things I've done I'm not proud of,
but you know, hey, it's part of part of the
roadmap of your life and who you are. Glad did
you try to talk like you were cant of like
p o b I don't know what you're doing, but
look at it. Look at it, look at it. Dumb
Here I bet O'Brien. Here I am. Uh. So we'll

(02:30):
get to all the big news in the NBA coming
up in a few minutes, because the one guy that
needs to stay away from social media for the next
twenty four hours is clearly honest because oh my goodness,
is he getting pounded. Uh we'll get to him coming
up in a bit. But a big story out of
college football has broken today, and now you're getting a
bit of a look into why the big ten in

(02:53):
the Pack twelve postponed playing this fall and are gonna
try again in the spring. According to Penn State, they
put out a a story today that around one third
of the athletes in the Big Ten who have tested
positive for COVID nineteen appear to have milecarditis. This according
to Penn States Director of Athletic Medicine Wayne sebastian Elli.

(03:15):
So again, one third of the Big Ten athletes who
tested positive for COVID nineteen appear to have milecarditis. Now,
what is mirakai diitis. It's what you've heard about in
the background of the COVID nineteen story, but we haven't
really it hasn't really come to the forefront yet because
we've been focused on you get COVID nineteen, you're sick
for a while, okay, then you get better. Right, We're

(03:37):
focused on if you know how to not get it,
then you get if you do get it, and then
how you get better and what you can do to
get better. But now the effects of getting COVID nineteen
are starting to be known, and this is something that
Penn State put out today. And milecarditis is an inflammation
of the heart muscle that reduces the heart's ability to

(03:57):
pump blood and it can be fatal if it's not addressed.
According to the Myo Clinic, the Mayo Clinic it's the
third leading cause of sudden death in young people. So
marcratitis is a pretty big deal. And here's Penn State saying,
you know, listen, if you know, thirty percent of people
out of COVID nineteen had this, and if it's not
taken care of, this could really exacerbate and become a

(04:18):
terrible condition. Again, it's Wayne sebastian Elli and here's his
comments on it from earlier today. Let's take a listen.
What has been seen across some of the schools is
that some of the athletes affected haven't really recovered their
full pulmonary function and and sort of they just they
just don't train as hard as they normally can. They
their tolerance is decreased, and and and so whether that's

(04:41):
heart related or lung related, we really don't know yet.
And it is just another variable of change of performance
that has to be reevaluated over time. Now, what heart
muscle inflammation can do if it's if it becomes a
real serious probably could lead to uh can oduction. The

(05:01):
lays or the electric electrical signals across the heart muscle
could be altered, so it could lead to either a
fast rhythm or a slow rhym or lead to you know,
very very fatal rhythm that that's called and trick in
the fibrillation or trick and attack Cardian. I'm not gonna
try to pronounce those things at the end. Just know
that mile cardis what he was talking about. How serious

(05:22):
is that it is? And there's there's two big things
to to know coming off this. Number one is that
you can see college football just like everything else. The
return to play is breaking along political lines. Right the
South and the lower Midwest are ready to play. Let's
go back, we should play. Everything is safe. The West
Coast is saying we're gonna hang on a bit, and

(05:43):
the upper Midwest saying we want to hang on a bit.
Swing states like Michigan and Wisconsin, in Ohio and Pennsylvania
are leaning but not for certain. You have many factions
in the Big ten that want to play. You have
some of the facts of the Big Ten that don't
want to play. Hence, you know it's playing out exactly
how it is politically, and and that's where we're going
to come along with this because what I've seen, regardless

(06:06):
of the political side, you're on right that this is
this is a true for for both side, if you are, hey,
COVID nineteen, we can get past it. We should play.
We'd be doing our lives like normal and they should
be playing football. Or if it's we should wait, we
should be careful. We don't know a lot about this.
There's one thing you can say for certain about both
of these sides, Mike, and that is that I feel

(06:26):
like no one has done the deep enough dive they're
supposed to to figure out, Okay, what can we do
for college football to make the right decision, Because if
you want to play, if you you say we're playing,
if you're the SEC and the A c C. We
want to play, we want to play. What if we've
seen from them, they're just focused on we don't have
any positive tests. We're doing it the right way, We're ready,

(06:48):
we can keep playing. There's nothing on Well, what happens
if you do get it and what could be the
results of it if you wind up having COVID nineteen.
You try to come back to early Ken, myrachiteiis be
something that affects you. And from the other side, you
have the school saying, hey we we we don't want
to play. Well, wait a minute, if you don't have
any positive tests. Can you do it if if you
do it the right way. We've we've seen some schools saying, listen,

(07:10):
we've had no positive COVID nineteen tests for the past
three weeks. Other schools are not doing it right and
and and that's and that's part of it too. But hey,
wait a minute, if you can see if you can
do it right and and not get positive COVID nineteen tests,
why can't you do it. It's no. People are going
as far as they can to support the opinion that
they have that if you want to play, you don't

(07:32):
want to look into the fact that that what happened.
What happens could really injure the players and keep them
unhealthy and and maybe kill some of them. And if
you don't want to play, you don't want to look
at the fact that, well, maybe we can reopen if
you do it safe. I don't like it. This is
where leadership in college football is such a mess, because
you need somebody to be able to say this is
the direction we're going, this is the direction we're taking.

(07:53):
You don't have the true college football commissioner. You have
conferences that are allowed to make their own desay well
we're gonna play, we're not going to play. And then
within conferences you have the school presidents who are making
their decision, well, we could play or not playing. Our
school could play or not play. And and this is
this is not a system that can work. You know,
I think that we talk about all the n c
A needs to figure out a system better to make

(08:15):
sure players get players get paid, and things get taken
care of more. But this is where you clearly notice
a lack of leadership and that who's really making decisions.
There's nobody's okay, this is what we think. Well this
conference X thinks this conference why thinks this? Within that conference,
the school president thinks this school presidence then and you
are you are split on all levels, and there's no

(08:37):
leadership to say this is how we're gonna do it,
this is the right way we should do it. They
always say in times of stress, we look to our
leaders and you find out, you know, who's got strong
leadership and who doesn't. To look at this with college
football and I go, man, there is just no leadership
anywhere to be found. Well, it's just a microcosm of
everything else we face, isn't it When you talk about
federal versus states. Right, see, you brought up politics. I'll

(08:59):
go right there are with you. Uh is you know
the things that you fight about saying, well, should states
be handling things of their own accord? We live in California.
How do you think it's going. You know, there's there's
a lot to it. Uh that as you go through
state to state, different rates of infections, different ways of
handling things. And you know, the big thing is transparency,

(09:24):
and that's what you're hoping for, right, is that as
things are learned, that you have some level of communication,
not only within the schools. Let's face it, what's what's
a lot of the big ten stuff about the players,
the families that have committed to go to the schools.
They're just like, can you just be straight with us
and tell us what went in the decision making? Right?
Part of what the lawsuit and the fears and what

(09:46):
I think got them back to the table. As many
will dismiss it is the the idea that you know,
there's stuff being said or back and forth between the
school heads that that they may not want showing up
in it in a transcript and having to be discussed
over the course of the next few months. And I

(10:08):
think for each each conference. You know, I don't know
that you need and can have the college football's zare
that everybody looks to now and again, you know, thinking
that that's going to be the easy answer. Every time
they've put a committee or anybody in charge, it's failed miserably. Uh.
And when we went to all right, we'll schedule only

(10:31):
conference games, you applauded it. Why because you didn't have
to fight about rules. All right, we have our own rules,
the schools have to follow them, and we move on.
And just like in the larger world, you're you're trying
to figure out what works for your small town, mid
size city or large metropolis. You know what works in
the getting business and the work back in full effect,

(10:55):
And a lot of it comes down to risk assessment, Jason. Right,
even in this you say, thirty, all right, give me
some more details and data points of what we're talking
about here, not that you know, maya car cardidis shouldn't
be a you know, a frightening Hey you hear that, uh?
And and it certainly raised your eyebrow because we heard
about it about a month ago. Right. The first couple

(11:16):
of things with the big tent, but then it went away. Okay,
if that's if that's one of the main pressing reasons
why you're uncertain and not willing to commit to the
season right now, then you know what you should be
doing a full page run of here's our findings based
on these athletes. You know, anecdotal evidence isn't gonna be

(11:38):
enough to sway folks when we're talking about a so
much money involved, be the lives of these athletes, the
good or the bad? Well, and that's the thing, and
is that why are we just hearing about this now? Right?
But I could also say why hasn't the SEC talked
about this with players who test? But that's the other

(11:59):
question else and right, and that parency and disclosure right well,
look and look, there's an ESPN story today that half
the schools that they canvassed about they're dealing with COVID
nineteen uh declined to share data about the test their
programs have had. To date, college football has been able
to operate under a cloak of secrecy. And this is

(12:20):
where I mean when leadership is starkly absent, because look
at all the other sports that are playing and have
figured things out, right, the NBA they're back right, they
have Adam Silver, they work things out. Awesome, Okay, great commissioner,
Adam Silver did it. Commissioner Gary Bettman as bad commissioner
as he has been, he got it done. And look
at the NHL playoffs are rolling through, no positive COVID tests.
Everything is great. National Football League Roger Goodell, agree or disagree,

(12:43):
we are strong, we are going forward. This is how
we're doing it. And the NFL is getting set to play.
We haven't seen them play yet, but they're making all
the progressions. Look at college football, who's their commissioner, who's
their leader, who's there? They don't have one. So this
is why we are where we are, where there's no
one to say, hey, let's have more informed MIRACRDI this,
or hey let's look in this direction and see, really,
how big a deal is it for athletes coming up

(13:04):
right now? Because you can take the data and turn
it into any argument you want to. But you see
all the sports that are coming back and all the
ones that look like we are. We are on a
good pace right now and everything is working. And what's
the biggest mess college football? Why because they don't have
leadership at the top. I mean that that that's really
what it is. One way or the other. There's got
to be some kind of uniting force that says this

(13:26):
is where we're going. You can have people disagree, and
you could have some schools to say I don't like this,
I don't like that, but you do it because this
is how the sport's gonna go forward as a whole.
You have to be together on things, right. We talk
about it in life all the time. May we're all
in this, in this together, no matter what you think,
whatever side of whatever political aisle, or what you believe
in your one we're all in it together. College football
has yet to realize that we're all in this together,

(13:47):
and there's no one to make them to grab them
by the lapels and say, we're all in this together.
Let's figure it out. And this is why you have
where we have right now. Half the schools are going
to trying to postpone to the spring, half the schools
trying to play right now. And I guarantee you with
this report today about market its being a big deal,
there will be a report coming up later on today
from somewhere that hey, there's no lasting effects of COVID nineteen,

(14:08):
depending on the severity of the of the case you get.
And and that's gonna be the push to that that
schools who want to play say, look, we don't have
any positive tests. Look at this report right here. I mean,
that's just how it's going to go. You're gonna be
able to find the support you want to to support
the the angle and the opinion that you have. And
that's what I mean by the fact that, boy, you
really need you really need somebody to come in and say,

(14:29):
all right, guys, this is all me. These are all
like little kids running around. Two kids want to be
in the corner, two kids want to be over here.
One kid is eating paint. You can't have any Yeah,
you gotta have them all together sitting at the table
trying to figure things out. Yeah, it is a difficult proposition.
And it's always been that way, right, self interests of states,
self interests of conferences. As you go through, we go

(14:51):
back to the Dana White at the beginning. Look, put
his politics aside for those of you that want to
get mad about him, his speaking at the Republican National Convention,
whatever else. From the straight sports perspective, he was an
open book or at least purported to be saying, here's
how we did this, here's our data, and our procedures

(15:11):
go from there. College football, they don't even want you
in the practices to see who's lining up anywhere. All
right with the pros. The most interesting thing to come
out of hard knocks at this point has been, all right,
what are whatever they've given us on protocols? No disrespect
to the chargers and ramps. There's no you know, Lightning
Rod story running with them. So it's the protocols the

(15:33):
broncos and they're sanitizing mist as they walk onto the field.
All of those things, those are curiosities for college football.
You're raising your hand going all right, what do you
guys got and waiting for more information, And yes, I
did my I'm starting to do my little research on
my okrditis. It says that you can, you know, with
treatment and early detection, it goes away in three to

(15:55):
six months or perhaps sooner with no lasting effects. But
here we are in a new world order. Be sure
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Show week days at three p m. Easter noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
We said it last night on our show the beginning
of the show today, Janice is the guy that's got
to stay away from the television set and social media

(16:17):
for at least twenty four hours. But because he is
getting internet and television murdered over the Bucks being down
oh two. Now we have the officiating aspect of it,
which we'll get into coming up in about twenty minutes.
But he is getting absolutely crushed. And now it's paper
m v P playoff choker. Look, he misses two free
throws with forty seconds left that could have been a

(16:38):
different outcome of Game two against the Heat. He comes
down and for some reason pushes Jimmy Butler as he's
falling to the ground. On the final play yesterday, Butler
goes to the free throw line to hit the free throws. Now,
was he fouled, No, of course not. But why would
you put your hand on Jimmy Butler at all? I mean,
that's just a stupid play by Janice. Come down, Yes, yeah, yeah,
that was just stupid. Honest, So you're getting it. But

(16:59):
wait a, but I got back to that m v P.
Yeah no, sorry, you're also the defensive player of the Year.
But I'm calling the foul on you here, and and
he is getting he is getting crushed because what he
has failed to do in the playoffs has been elevate
his team to the next level. And when I watch
Janice play, I see him play in this first round.
What what's gone on the first couple of games. Every
time he goes into the into the paint, there's three

(17:20):
players there for him, and he's got to come back out.
He has not found a way to be able to
dish or open up the offense where other players can
be dangerous. He has not found a way to elevate
his team. He reminds me of Peyton Manning all right now,
Peyton Manning. Throughout his career, you can say, ah, Peyton
Manning had playoff failures. Peyton Manning had one level of excellence. Right.
He played and prepared for weeks six like he prepared

(17:43):
for the a f C Championship game. And and that's
very adamable. And that's kind of what Janice does. Janice
gives you the same the same type of effort and
preparation big games in the regular season or in any
random night in February that he does in the playoffs.
But the issue is most of the other teams all
hit another level when they're in the postseason, and if

(18:05):
you can't adjust to that, well, you're gonna get beat.
Half the time, Peyton Manning's overall playoff record was twelve
and thirteen. It wasn't terrible, you know, It's not like
he was three and fifteen. No, he was twelve and thirteen.
Why because he had the one level of excellence. He
was the same in week six. He wasn't the a
f C title game. And many times because teams morph
and do different things and hit a new level themselves,

(18:27):
he couldn't adjust to it because he had the one
level and Janice hasn't found that next level of Okay,
you're raising your game. This is what I need to
do a little bit differently to be able to affect
the game and impact the game and not just be
someone that, hey, they're gonna let me score twenty five
to thirty points and not let me really affect the
game everywhere else And look where you are your down
O two to the Mini Heat. Now that the Bucks

(18:48):
are a bad matchup for the Heat, but still Jannie
has to figure out that way of saying okay, how
do I raise my level in the playoffs because he's
gonna wind up being Peyton Manning if he doesn't. Yeah,
I mean, but you brought up the status that anytime
the Manning goat thing happened, it was like, all right,
look at the uh the playoff record and let's just
go from there. Uh, considering a lot of those guys

(19:10):
are now going into the Hall of Fame along and
he will too. Right, but when we look at Janice,
you haven't elevated your game like Manning while he was
at full throttle. You know, it was consistent right with
with Joannice, you don't have consistent mid or mid range
game or three point shot. He's going to the basket.

(19:33):
And as much as they're calling falls on jump shooters,
which will get into in a much bigger way, they're
they're not calling falls down low, so the path to
the basket has stopped underneath. He's got nowhere to go.
So you're giving it up to an inferior, you know,
a contributor on your squad. Plus, if you're not gonna
be efficient at the file line, you're not helping yourself

(19:57):
that and they're not giving him superstar calls as you
talked about with the bogus fall on Jimmy Butler at
the end. So you know, what are the referees think
of him in this process? See, he's not elevated to
that superstar status. And you know the crux of the
argument is there, Chris Middleton is eat good enough to
propel you to that next level big game last night,

(20:17):
but there there are a lot of games where he
shrinks away, So the answer is probably no. Be sure
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Show week days at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Greetings,
Welcome inside our to the Doug Gottleap Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Jason Smith and Mike Harmon in for
Doug today, and we got big stuff coming off of

(20:39):
last night in the NBA coming up in a minute.
Because if you told me after last night, hey, I
think the NBA is fixed, and fixed can have a
couple of definitions, I wouldn't be able to disagree with you.
So this is gonna be a time for conspiracy theorists
all across the country. Everybody, however, tinfoil from your lunch
and yet at the table as we talk with you, Yeah,

(21:00):
you gotta dressed like a Joaquin Phoenix from science. You know,
make sure you have that big thing on as you're
watching television, going, oh, I see it. But as you
heard Isaac Lowenkron say a little bit ago and we
talked about it a bid and guess who The Patriots
now officially have their starting quarterback for the two thousand
twenty season, and it is Cam Newton. Now this is
not surprising because reading the tea leaves and seeing how

(21:22):
things are going and have been going it in in Foxborough,
Newton has been the better quarterback Jared's Didham had struggled,
he also got hurt, and this is the way things
were trending. Cam Newton was going to win the job
and he was going to be under center week one
for the Patriots. Now, two things on this. The first
is that this always goes to show you that whenever

(21:43):
you want to read some kind of hype piece in
the off season, realize it's a hype piece. Because I
want every single insider who said, you guys are crazy
if you think jared'stdhom is not super duper good man,
because this look look how great he is in the
off season. Belichick wouldn't do this if they couldn't go
from from Brady to somebody good. You're all sleeping on

(22:03):
Jared stidhim, Jared students great and you know, you guys
are all dumb. And now look what happened. Jared Sondom
couldn't even make it to week one. He couldn't make
it when he had the job, and Cam Newton was
sitting at home for months waiting for the next opportunity
in the National Football League. So that just remember all
that stuff in the off seas. Oh, Jaredson's this is
all kinds of pr and spin and stuff that's put

(22:25):
out there to make you believe the truth that's not
out there. Because if Jared Sidham was good, Jared Ssonon
would be the quarterback. It's that's not necessarily true. He
may still be good. You just have a former m
v P that may actually be healthy and ready to
play football again. Belichick is not good. Belichick's not Belichick
is not gonna start a guy just oh well, we're

(22:47):
gonna start him just because they wouldn't sign him. If
jared's Didon was good, why would he was out there
for to play defense and to take a shot and
kick the tires. Absolutely, you pay him that, and if
you all of the incentives, not it's all the incentive
now not if Jared's did him is good. You don't
do it because you want a guy coming in taking
over for a legend to be able to have a

(23:07):
smooth takeover, Right. You don't bring in somebody who's gonna
be breathing fire down his neck. You want to create
an atmosphere that's gonna make him succeed. I get the
Belichick always does things a different way, but he never
brought in somebody to challenge Tom Brady, you know, as
much as he wants. They drafted Jimmy Garoppolo with the
plan of in a few years the segue is gonna go.
But they never brought in someone to say, hey, this
guy could beat out Tom Brady in the preseason. Right.

(23:29):
You want you want your quarterback to be able to
come in and say, all right, you just you're in
the highest profile gig you could possibly have. Let's make
sure you succeed. And if you're good enough and you're
that guy, then you're our guy. And then we're signing
Brian Hoyer and that's it. He's gonna be our backup.
They wouldn't have signed Cam Newton if Jared's did him
was really good. There's just no way they would have
done that. Well, see, I think it's a different circumstance

(23:49):
because TV twelve is now in Tampa, so you have
to have a blank you board as well, and Cam
Newton coming in and and knowing what Cam can be
when he's eighty nine Cam, because let's face it, the
way he plays and never a percent Cam even even
after a few months off. But you know, other than hey,

(24:10):
let's have Stidham learn on the job because you're not
throwing every everything against the wall with him. Start one
with Cam you can and he'll talk and run and
do all those Cam like things in theory that will
vanquish the Jets and the other people in the a
f C East to keep up with the Joneses, I mean,

(24:31):
the Bradies of the world. Well, that's the other part
of the conversation. Is Cam Newton still that guy? Just
because you post a highlight on Twitter from when he
was healthy in doesn't mean this is Cam Newton from
Cam Newton making these plays for the Patriots. Cam Newton
hasn't been good in years. He hasn't been healthy in years.

(24:52):
He has seen his best days as quarterback in the
National Football League. The think can there's I do not
see Cam Newton coming in being the camera well anything
even close to it, because just too much time has
gone by and he's not that guy. He's it's all
he can do to stay healthy. He has still hasn't
faced any defenses because of the way COVID nineteen is.
There's no preseason games, there's no control scrimmages against other teams,

(25:14):
there's nothing. And so now he's got to hit the
ground running in this new format on offense that he's
something he's not used to. And to think he's suddenly
gonna be the old Cam Newton just because I mean
that that seems to be the reason that that people
are throwing out there that Cam Newton's gonna be great. Well,
he used to be great. You know, lots of guys
used to be great, and then as they get older
and get hurt and and they can't do it anymore.

(25:36):
Cam Newton's got a short prime because of his style
of play. As great as he was, you know, he's
gonna break down faster. He's a bigger player, bigger players
breakdown faster, Bigger quarterbacks breakdown faster, and clearly that's what
we've seen from Cam. I'm not buying that suddenly he's
gonna be oh he's a cam of the m v
PS cam just because he's now healthy and he's back.

(25:58):
He hasn't been really good in a while. Yeah. No,
I'm certainly not saying he reclaims that throne. Uh that's
Captain Cam Newton. D you. By the way, those the
captains just got announced, so you know you put some
respect on the name. There is one captain, Captain Andrew
luck that's the only captain. No, he retired that though
he's still a captain. You still keep your rank when

(26:18):
you retire, Okay, I think that's how they do it. No,
you can keep your right and he keeps the Twitter account,
all right, so we have that for poster. Well, that's
the most important thing. Is absolutely there's no question we'll
see if Captain Philip Rivers or Admiral whatever rank he
aspires too, comes into play. Yeah. I'm not suggesting that

(26:40):
it's it's a dent. It's just a all right, let's
what do we have now, because this is a far
from perfect roster too, right. I got excited doing doing
a little bit of of talking yesterday afternoon before Leonard
Fournett ended up down in Tampa that there was a
rumor that maybe he became the eatest, greatest reclamation project

(27:03):
in New England. Now he motivated for net and not
that Bill Belichick could be trusted for fantasy purposes. But
say he's a thousand yard back and you've got James
White catching the ball out of the backfield with Cam
Newton under center. I would have liked to see that
come to fruition alas it did not. But jury is
still out on what Jared Stidham is. At least he'll

(27:24):
stay on the roster down in Miami, staying in division.
Josh Rosen might get traded by the end of the week,
so you know, by the end of the day traded. Yeah, no, exactly,
madness once again. So look, well we'll see what happens.
But Cam Newton, good on him. Good to see him
on on the comeback trail. And uh even look, Cam's
interesting now. And I'm not just talking because he and

(27:46):
I share a strong hat game. Yes, he does have us.
The hat game in New England will be a lot better.
I do agree there. Yeah, I mean Tom would rock
a jaunty hat now and again, but cam hats style. Yeah,
I mean they should have allow him to wear a
hat inspired helmet, like he shouldn't have to wear a
Patriot's helmet. He'd be able to wear a helmet different

(28:06):
one every week inspired by his hat choices. Tell you
what those wide brim fedoras or something special? Man, Oh,
you can make a helmet like that, like a wide
brim fedora helmet. I think it could allows for the
social distancing if you wake it wide and oh, I
gotta write that down and it subscribes to social distancing
hanging wide brim fedora helmet. Alright, build a little reservoir

(28:27):
in there. You can store nacho cheese like your Homer.
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to stink. Now. Speaking of stink, hey, let's talk about
the NBA officiating from last night. Uh. Look, yesterday was
and over the top insane day when it comes to
the refereeing of the two NBA games. You thought we

(29:10):
saw a lot with Milwaukee and the Miami Heat to
incredibly horrendous foul calls at the end of regulation, one
that sends Chris Middleton to the line for three free
throws to tie it, and one that sends Jimmy Buckets
to the free throw line with two free throws to
win it on the following possession. God did not foul
Chris Middleton. He stood, he stood straight up, He did

(29:31):
everything you're supposed to Middleton fell into him. I'm not
buying the NBA's reasoning to bail out the officials. Well,
he didn't give him a place to land. No, he's
standing and he's standing straight up, So you can't tell
me no, I don't have a place to land. That's
a load of crap. It was also a load of
crap the foul on Jimmy Butler. It was It was
ridiculous for Janice to come down and put a hand
on Jimmy Butler because you know Butler is gonna flop

(29:53):
because the officials, some of them at least realize, okay,
we we really blew it on that last possession by
by sending Middleton the line. That was a bad call.
So you know a makeup call is coming, if at
all possibly you can do it. And this is what
what gets me for your honest, is that he didn't
foul Jimmy Butler. But you know Butler is gonna gonna
try to fall down and he puts his hand on
him and pushes him. What are you doing? I mean,

(30:14):
I get what you, honest is doing. He was trying to, Oh,
I'm gonna put my hand on you and move so
I don't fall over. You don't put your hand down.
That's just dumb. You have to know if you're a
superstar like Jo Honest, they just made a really questionable call.
I get it. We shouldn't have been at the free
throw line now we are. I I got it. Back away,
I can't get too close to Jimmy Butler when it
comes to this shot. And what does he wind up
doing puts his hand on him, which allows the referee

(30:35):
to blow the whistle and send Jimmy Butler to the
free throw line to make two free throws. A makeup call,
if ever there was one in the NBA, and this
is kind of how all of our U sports games
are officiated. Listening missed that one. Don't worry. I'm gonna
give you one later on. Don't worry about it. And
then you had last night following Oklahoma City's loss to Houston,
which Chris Paul talked about Scott Foster officiating that game,

(30:58):
and he thinks I'm gonna get fine because he called
about Scott Foster for giving him a lot of attitude
on a delay of game for tying his shoes. He
also said Foster went on to remind him, I refed
your Game seven against the Spurs back when you were
with the Hornets, when you lost. So here's suddenly, now
you have two really bad calls, and and one of

(31:18):
them is a makeup call. And now you have Chris Paul,
one of the most respected NBA players that we've seen,
say Scott Foster, who is also a very controversial referee,
saying these things to him during the game, giving him
attitude about a play and reminding him I refereed Game
seven in which you lost and went home. If someone
had just come down from a different planet and you

(31:38):
just explained basketball to them yesterday and I I told
them about these plays, they would say to me, is
the NBA fixed? And I would say, you know what,
I can't say. No, I can't say, and fixed is
is different reason. It's not always it's fixed for gambling,
it's fixed for television. Although surely, hey, you know, boy
Janice was the guy who was the beneficiary of all

(31:59):
those calls. Yeah, today wasn't the Miami Heat, wasn't Jimmy Butler.
It was you, honest, your two time m v P
and your defensive Player of the Year who you put
out there is your new big star who was potentially
looking at going home being down to zip. So there's
that part of it. But there's also the fixed angle
of it being referees who decide, for one reason or another,

(32:19):
whatever grudges they have against players, whatever they have, I'll
officiate the game that way. And that's a way of
fixing the game too. You're not just fixing a game.
Doesn't mean that you're fixing it for monetary game for somebody,
or you're fixing it for Hey, we gotta keep the
bucks in the playoffs. Although clearly that's that's one of
the reasons you can look at it. But sometimes it's hey,
this official just really doesn't like us, and players talk

(32:40):
about it all the time. We don't like it when
so and so is officiating us, he does X, Y
and Z. Look at the look at the records, look
at what's happened to us when this guy officiates our game.
Maybe he doesn't like our superstar player, maybe he doesn't
like the way we play the game. But this is
out there, and that's a way of fixing things. If
you told me, I couldn't say no, not not after
those those those those three different occurrences in the span

(33:02):
of last night, I couldn't say that. Yeah, NBA, if
it is completely uh, it's impartial. It is done in
a way in which it stops teams from getting advantages.
Clearly that's not the case. Well, it's funny because with
no home court advantage, or at least you know that's
what we talk about here. Uh. Roger Goodell has his
own thoughts as to how that works in the NFL,
or doesn't. Uh. You normally can see guys get caught

(33:25):
up in the emotion of the moment because of the
crowd the surge, right, you see it in big college spurts, right,
and a big comeback or a big lead that gets
extended and the crowds on their feet losing their minds
and all of a sudden, the guy that steps in, No,
that's not a block, that's a charge. Yeah, and you
and he gets suckered in, right because now they're Enrico

(33:46):
Palazzo out there doing the histrionics for the crowd. Uh.
Last night the Middleton play, just I watched it a
hundred times, Like if if the guy's got to be
vertical defensively, then how about the offensive player can't jump
into him and draw contact and get the file? So
you have that. Yeah, the the honest fall showed and

(34:08):
that superstar just yet. Uh. And Jimmy Butler was fading
because he wanted a glory shot, right because if that
goes down, he's on his back. He can pump his
fists all that stuff and away we go. Uh. Instead
Janice puts his hand on him and just just bad
that and just so many things that Chris paul Is

(34:29):
is a novel with with all he had to say,
And you can go back in his career a number
of times. Never mind the fact that both he and
Harden were absolutely atrocious down the step except for Defensive
Player of the Year James Harden and his one big play.
But the the officials ruined what was otherwise a great
day of basketball, too hotly contested games. And then you're

(34:52):
having time out, and let's go to the scorers table again,
and let's go to the scores table again, and let's
confer over here, and and we'll walk back over to
the scorer's table where we can tell them what's going on.
And half the time it didn't seem like they were
they had any clue what they wanted to call until
they got another look at it. It's like, did you
see that now? Maybe maybe not? You talk about an

(35:13):
NFL replay going long? Yesterday was just atrocious. I kept
waiting to say, how can I hit the fast forward
button and get through these uh pauses? Well, you know,
you just gave me a great idea of how to
make money for the NBA, right with all these But
then we're having these now at the end of games.
Why aren't visits to the Scorer's table sponsored. Oh they

(35:35):
have to they should be. Why don't you have that?
And no visit the scorer's table all brought to you
by Valvoline and the Army be all that you can bed.
You have, you know, check your you know, credit scorecard.
Come on, oh yes, oh you run that little while
we check out with the scorer's table. You check your
score now, I mean, come on, it rights itself and

(35:55):
you and and you still show the video of the
officials looking at the at the cores table with like
the half commercial like they're doing. Now here comes the
half and and you see the commercial of of checking
your credit score. You know, the General comes in with
shack or whatever and then they it just it just
wipes back there you go, the General's insurance. See, I
didn't even know what the General was about. I've seen

(36:16):
those commercials a thousand times. I have no idea. I
always you were just enamored with the General. It would appear,
you know, because you know what, don't the general commercials
look like some local uh commercials somewhere. I mean these
are national commercials like you would see for Coca Cola
or Pepsi or car commercial. And I watched it and
I go, this, this looks like a local commercial. Like

(36:37):
at the end he's gonna say, come on down and
get the General's discount at Bob's used wheels. I see
the General commercials and I go, that's really just put together,
really really low style. Yeah. See, I think I think
the the the ad campaigns are like tributes to the
old Chicago ones that I grew up watching. Shout out
to you know, two legends in in the auto dealer capacity,

(36:59):
Max Mattson and Bob Roorman in Chicago passed away and
they were competing in their commercials. They'd always sing, but
you also had that you had eagle Man Insurance. Go
ahead and you look that up Eagle Insurance. But yes,
they definitely have those feels to them, and Shock's not
above clowning along with it. So it works so well.
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Harmon in for Doug today. Kind of a throwback to
last night when you and I somehow got on a
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(37:42):
actually put out a list last night, and here we are.
We're getting more rocks that today. My Carmen, it's the
gift that keeps on giving, they admire. Chimed in he
added one for your list. He said, you didn't make
it complete. So you know, if you have your favorite
rock set songs, please add how about a Fresca at
swall don't We'll add them to the list. Uh. And

(38:02):
you know, at some point we're just gonna start ranking
stuff just for the sake of ranking stuff. Dangerous, fading
like a flower. Listen to your heart. Yes, all of
these the best of rock set. Uh. With the NBA
Playoffs getting even more interesting with every passing game, I
don't know how we're gonna top the drama of last night,
of James Harden and Chris Paul and the NBA officials.

(38:25):
I'm looking forward to it tonight. Joining us now on
the hot line to break it all down. Our teammate
here at Fox Sports Radio ten years in the NBA,
and I guarantee you he is wearing an outfit right
now that cost him less than twenty five dollars. It
is Ryan Hollins. What's happening, big dog? What are you
you cheaping out? Your outfit? Is it now? Now? Go

(38:47):
go through outfit now because you always like to cheap
out and show me how your outfit is is is
little money? What do you got? What are you wearing?
I'm twenty dollars in the game right now. You're twice
twenty dollars in the game chipping. Yeah, I was in
the game, but probably probably he's not even sure it

(39:10):
got to that level. I'll tell you what you know. Look,
this is how I knew. You know that that Ryan
and I were always going to be friends to get along?
Is that certain certain guys love be able to say,
you know how much this shirt was? This shirt was
three dollars, man, and I've been wearing it for three
years and you wear that like it's a badge for
three years. Man, it is awesome. I knew her in

(39:32):
the same wavelength of underwear until they get some holes
in his baby Ryan wearing a special U c. L
A issued underwear from two thousand and three that he's
still got on. Hey, so let's let's kick things off here,
you know we we watched. We start with the officiating

(39:52):
from yesterday. We had three separate instances. We had the
foul call on on Gore and Draga, we had the
foul call on yon Us, And we had Chris Paul
last night talking about the back and forth he had
with Scott Foster, who he says, I'm gonna get fined
for telling these stories about Scott Foster. Foster reminded him
that he officiated a game UH Game seven when the

(40:13):
Hornets got knocked out of the playoffs against the San
Antonio Spurs twelve years ago, said he gave him a
lot of flak for delay of game for tying his shoes.
Ryan when I when I see this, and I I go,
this is the highest profile point of the NBA season,
and we still see spots where here are some players
that don't trust the officiating, and you see calls like

(40:33):
drag and Jannis make you scratch your head and go,
I don't understand what the officials are looking at. Well,
when you look at uh the case in Milwaukee and
uh in in UM in Miami, that was a tough game.
Any time that the game end in a point where
there's all zeros on the clock, and there's a foul call,

(40:56):
a walk off. I guess you'd say, I don't even
know we could have those in the NBA. Uh, that's
just a point. You want to see the players aside
the game. But at the same time, every player on
every team that I've ever been on, I played for
nine different organizations. At the end of the game, we
go screaming for a foul. Well, guess what you finally
got rewarded with the foul call. Okay, so that that happened.

(41:16):
Now in terms of the Houston Rockets and Chris Paul
and listen, there's an intriguing It is some intrigue there
between Scott Foster and Chris Paul and I know we
don't want to mention the referees, but there's there's probably
a little more history there. I don't know if Scott
was biased. You know what, I'm gonna jump on Scott
Foster side this time. Do you have any idea, any

(41:41):
idea how hard it was to referee Chris Paul and
James Harden and Dennis Schroder and Russell Westbrook in that series?
Are you kidding me? Do you have like? No, Seriously,
from let's let's put our empathy hat on these guys.
I watched the possession where I watched five flops in

(42:01):
a row, and then you're playing small ball. Steven Adams
has probably been found every single time he's touched the basketball. Listen,
the referees couldn't catch everything. And James Harden and Chris
Paul Chris what I played with are two of the
biggest abusers when it comes to referees. And listen to
even the clock he just ran into Robert Covington chucked

(42:24):
his head back. Well, Chris, we're we're waiting to see.
And I don't like to call for fines on guys,
but like I'm talking about some warnings, I mean all
of them. Every single party was a guilty party. And
I know if you're not cheating, you're not trying get
the game. Seven guys to get the fines, go win
the game. But I'm gonna give some empathy here, and
I'm gonna say, hey, man, Rockets played their hearts out. Okay,

(42:45):
see played their hearts out and overachieved this season. But
don't put it on the referees, man, because you pulling
Chris polling everything out of his hat. Man, you know
you start getting older, man, and you you're doing anything
you can do to still win those games. Oh and
we certainly watched that from pillar to post, switching to
heat and bought. Janice gets the the foul call there.

(43:10):
I mean, Jimmy Butler was going for style points, right,
there's a dagger on. No, I missed the shop, but hey,
he's fouled. But at this point I asked the simpler question, Ready,
what is Janice? Janice is intriguing? Uh And I say
intriguing because we saw the flare up of Scottie piplic boy.

(43:32):
He's he's a two time m v P. Well guess what,
he's not a Michael Jordan. He's not a batman. You're
seeing it right now. They're putting the ball in his
hands for two years in a row, and Janice k
dunk his way to a championship. And everybody thought I
was crazy when I said that was overrated. Now say
that he's overrated. Was not me saying that Janice wasn't

(43:54):
a good basketball player, that he wasn't an m v P,
that he wasn't a generational talent. It's just that honest.
Is not Lebron James. Jannie is it Michael Jordan's that's
all that is, with all due respected I and I
say this as a guy who was was holding on
in a role player for his career at best. So
Janice is not in that category. And when you're gonna

(44:17):
look at what what he's been able to do, he's
struggling right now to lead a team because everything is
to the rim rim rim rim rim. And now you
have a deeper appreciation for guys like Lebron James, guys
like Michael George, guys like Kobe Bryant. So when you're
quick to anoint the guy without having him see him
prove himself in those circumstances, you gotta go out and

(44:38):
you gotta understand why what's happening. So listen, Janice is
more of the Scottie Tippett. He's a better player than
a Scottie Tippett. But ultimately he's not Yannese is not
the guy. And that's not a Natiyannese ter nowhere near
in that is it Natri Jannice out of the coop O.
It just means he's not. He's got some growing to do.

(44:59):
And Janice, honest the got you. He may never have
a jump shut. He mean, averages may not work. He
may be an improve shoot or something he could do,
but it just might not. It may not work out.
Ryan Hollands with us here on the Doug Gottliep Show,
Jason Smith, Mike Harmon in for Doug. Now to take
you off the court. Now with Janice, who's trying to
figure things out against my Miami Heat. Remember I picked

(45:20):
them to go to the NBA Finals. My Miami Heat,
my Heat, my heat. Uh. Steve Nash gets the head
coaching job at the Brooklyn Nets today, and look, I
like Steve Nash. I think Steve Nash could be a
really good head coach in the NBA. But you take
a guy with no experience to say, okay, you go
coach k D and Kyrie Irving when you've never been
through the wars as a head coach. And these are
guys that have achieved and done things that are unpredictable.

(45:43):
This was this was more of a risk to me
than it was. Boy, Steve Nash is the right guy
to go in there? Are you on this? Ryan Man?
What's pretty cool is Brooklyn I don't want to say
made this same mistake That would be a poor word,
but we saw a similar higher did I have, Paul,
I have all peers on the on our podcast today
the opinionated seven footers myself of Britain Heywood, and you know,

(46:07):
he didn't really dive into it, but he said, the
biggest struggle is how are these guys gonna listen to
each other? Because I asked Paul. The reason I asked
Paul is because Jason Kidd, former great point guard floor
general high I Q. Jason Kidd knew he had some
learning to do about being an NBA head coach and

(46:28):
he was casting to a similar opportunity that didn't work
out with a team that was on part to winning
a championship. I'm not blaming Jason Kidd for them not
winning a championship, but you know, Jason Kidd had to
take his lumps as they head coach because he was
never an assistant first. So I said back, and I wonder,
and I say, are we gonna have to look back

(46:50):
at this and say that Kevin Durant got his Lebron
James on where he got to choose this guy because
he's that important to the organization and probably possibly ran
it into the ground. But guess what, Kevin Durant. I
don't have any problem with him making these choices, but
I think, and I know, Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving
were needing a Tyler or Mark Jackson, someone who could

(47:11):
tell them when a man play some defense, hey, you know,
take better shots, Hey, past the darned basketball. Every once
in a while, you need a coach that's willing to
deliver the tough messages. And I'm not saying that Nash
can't do it. I mean, Steve Kerr was able to
do it with the Warriors, but I think this is

(47:32):
a different product, and the borders were a lot more
ready made than we gave him credit for. Well, it
looks like Tyler is going to be the guy in Philly,
or at least that was the report earlier. We'll see
if that comes to fruition with Mark Jackson. Ryan, I
gotta wonder broadcast, did he say something about Katie's social
media work and burner accounts? Because that's gonna keep you
from getting that job, you know, Hey, man, when when

(47:56):
it comes to Katie's Getty's burner man, I listen. I
I don't know what the deal was, but listen, we listen,
we're going to have to credit. We're gonna have the credit,
um mark, excuse me Steve Nash, because Steve Nash was
behind those Warrior Championships, behind the scenes that a lot
of scenarios, so I know you don't always see his name.

(48:17):
It wasn't always as popular to Steve Nash has been
working behind the scenes at the NBA for some time now.
In in in closing here, Ryan, I gotta I gotta
take issue with something here. Now, your seven Footers podcast
that you did today. You had Paul Pierson's allowed on
the podcast. Guys as Paul we let we let the

(48:37):
sixth eight guy on. Man, we we we we broke
cold tell you you can't do your seven footers podcast.
If you're gonna do that, you gotta be seven foot
or more. Hey, man, we we we slipped them in. Man,
it's the truth for God's sake. Man. Yeah. And after

(48:58):
we just said about Janice, I'll I'll tweet that and say, hey,
come on the seven Footers podcast with Ryan Hollins and
it'll be awesome. You can follow on Twitter at the
Ryan Hollins that is at the Ryan Hollands Info there
as well the seven Footers podcast. Uh big Dog has
always man. Appreciate you have a great one. We'll talk
to you soon. Appreciate you guys, talk to you so

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