September 16, 2020 • 42 mins
Doug talks about the Clippers collapse from being up 3-1 on the Nuggets to losing and getting bounced from the playoffs in game 7. Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network tells Doug what he saw from Tom Brady’s first start as QB for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Plus, NBA Insider Ric Bucher joins the show to breakdown how the Clippers can try to get better in the offseason.
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And then of course we had what what I would
deem one of the all time, not just great upsets
and comeback. It's one thing to be to take down
the Clippers, who were many people's favorites to reach the
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NBA Finals and win NBA Championship. Like that's that's one
part of it, but there's a there's another part to
it where you're down three games to one. There's another
part to it where you're down three games one in
the second straight series. But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
there's more. O. They trailed in all of these games, right,
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and they had a furious comeback. Uh down two at
the half, up eight at the end of the third,
and you end up winning by fifteen points. But again,
more to it than that right too. It's one thing
to outscore the Clippers fifty two, Uh what was it
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to thirty three? Fifty to thirty three in the second half.
He's like, okay, so they outscored, they came from behind.
Go back to game six, they outscored the Clippers in
the second half, sixty four, sixty four to thirty five. Wait, wait, wait,
there's there's more. Okay, go back to game five. You're like,
wait again, Yes, game five, they outscored the Clippers in
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the second half. Hey, sixty seven to forty nine. Like
it was all about the second halpsode. The team came
from behind in the last two series, down three games
to one, came from behind each of the last three
games and blew the blew the Clippers out of the water.
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They just, I mean, the the whole thing, that, the
whole story is nothing short of remarkable. This was Kawhi
Leonard on how they can improve next season. I just
gotta build. There's some chemistry. I gotta get smarter Blue,
the piece up the team together. You know we were close,
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Uh you know, Dame was great. So we show ourselves
and fifth the last three games. The last three games
are pretty much a meter that's coming in and you know,
now able to score the ball in the third or
the fourth quarter, and now tonight were just a mirror,
you know, and you know those are the things that
you know, you gotta learn and grow from. Gotta learn,
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gotta grow from now. In fairness, the super teams, it's hard.
The first year, it just is like go back and
look at some of these super teams. Even once Lebron
James has been on, whether it was Miami first year
was when he didn't play well, they lost to the
Miami Heat. They lost to the Dallas Mavericks in the finals.
You go to Cleveland the first year in the NBA Finals,
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they lost to the Golden State Warriors. Some super teams
that are put together. Never people forget the last year
Shock and Kobe. That wasn't their first year together and
they had in fact executed a three peat. But that
was they added Gary Payton, added Karl Malone and that
was supposed to be their super team. Reworked roster. But
the idea that everything just works together swimmingly, even Lebron
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last year came to Lakers and it was an epic
and abject disaster. Right, if we don't hold, well, let's
not hold Lebron to the standard of Lebron of getting
to the NBA Finals. They did not get to the playoffs.
So again, I'm I'm not gonna sit here and go
we haven't seen this before war We have, and I can.
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I'm okay putting the blame at least partially at the
feet of Kawhi Leonard, who faded badly in the fourth
quarter in all three of these games and could not
make a shot, looked exhausted, didn't play well down the
stretch last night. I'm okay. So we're okay. Like these
things do happen, I tweeted out earlier today. You know,
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Nick Wright is doing a victory lab because he kep
called it like, look, we saw Lebron the two thousand
and seventeen NBA finals and and what happens in two
thousand seventeen NBA finals because the Warriors had won seventy
three games the year before and had lost to the
Calves and added Kevin Durant. Everybody, well that that's unfair, Like, okay,
each team had three perennial All Stars, and then I
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guess the differences that the Warriors had Draymond Green as
opposed to Tristan Thompson and Kevin Love. The shine wore
off the star are but I mean Kevin Love before
the trade to the Calves, was seen as arguably the
best power forward in the n b A two thousand
seventeen NBA Finals. Lebron James shot sent from the floor
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in the first half. He shot the third quarter and
thirty six in the in the fourth quarter. Happens, guys
get tired to try and carry their team. They trying
to do too much that they're not in perfect condition.
And I would say that if you look at the Clippers,
it's never just one thing. Was it chemistry? Sure? But
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part of the chemistry issues is the makeup of the team, right.
You know, they they never had a point guard. They
wanted Darren Carlinson. They couldn't get Darren Carlson, so they
settled on Patrick Beverley as their starting point guard. They
tried to fix it with Reggie Jackson, you know, and
and have him when they add some injuries mid season.
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That's not great for Reggie Jackson has never been good
for anybody's chemistry ever. You know, whichever Morris they have,
do they have Marcus Morris. I think they have Marcus
Moore's right, they have the Morrist that everybody says that
the Morris that you wanted. Hey here's a little here's
a little note. He hasn't ever won anything in the NBA. Yes,
he scored a bunch of points with the Knicks this year.
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Noticed the Knicks fired everybody involved with the basketball team
because they were so bad they didn't win. I don't
care how many points you score, if everybody gets fired
because you don't win games and build their chemistry, hurt
their chemistry. And then, like look, put some of the
blame at the feet of kauaiet Leonard, who is solid,
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is a tremendous player, but he is not the verbal
and vocal leader. He is not Lebron in that. So
who is Paul George who's in his own head because
of quarantine and the issues that he he told everybody
he was dealing with. And then you have Doc who
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We've seen this before. We've seen the Boston Celtics, uh
physical apart when they trade away Kendrick Perkins. We've seen
the Clippers lose up three games to one a couple
of years ago when he had a litany of talented
players that couldn't find a way to get along. Chemistry
does matter, Cohesion does matter, confidence doesn't matter. And you
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know what else matters. Conditioning matters. Clippers were tired basketball team.
And whether it's because they weren't practicing all the time,
or practicing all the time together or whatever happened. This
is sports, like it's the beauty of sports. Is what
happened last night. The beauty of sports is that it's
a forty eight minute game. You may be leaving at halftime.
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You may be leading in the third quarter. That doesn't
we play four quarters of basketball. You may be leading
up three games to one. You still have to win
that fourth game. They don't just hand you the trophy
and say close enough. This isn't you playing golf with
your buddy and you go you're good, good, like you're
like twelve feet out. You know what, I don't want
to see you three three put and throw your club
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and say drop a bunch of f bombs. So let's
just call it good and go onto the next hole.
These things happen. The best team or the best collection
of talent doesn't always win. We talked about yesterday Tampa
Bay Buccaneers can't just put names down on a piece
of paper and go like, hey, all these guys and
Tom Brady, they're gonna win. There's another team, there's chemistry,
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there's time to work together, and they never figured it out.
Something was wrong, something was amiss. Maybe there'll be a book,
maybe they'll be a reality show, maybe to be a podcast.
Maybe there'll just be something that somebody says on my
show about what really happened. But for whatever it is,
the Clippers in the last three second second halfs got
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absolutely blown out of the water. So that's what happens.
That that that's sports, that's life. That's what makes it
so great because it doesn't work to where you just go, oh,
Clippers Lakers, let's have meet in the finals. Don't work
that way, doesn't work that way. Something was wrong, something
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was amiss. Enough of the players said we got some
chemistry issues to where you start to believe, you know what,
they're right, and then you watch the product on the floor,
which there's a little bit of finger pointing, bad by
the language, more fatigue than there should be, and you
end up getting beaten by why I think all accounts
would be an inferior team, even if they played some
superior basketball in the second half all the last three games.
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I'm talking about Paul George for a second. He struggled
in an elimination game last night. Playoff. P was now
eliminated to P. This is Paul George on his expectations
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before the season started. It is what it is. It's
no cop out. The fact of the matter is we
didn't live up to that expectation. But I think internally
we've always felt this is not a championship or bus
year four us. You know, we we can only get
better the longer we stay together and the more we're
around each other, the more chemistry for this group, the better.
I think that's really to tell of the tape of
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the season. We just didn't have enough time together. It's
interesting how much more time could you possibly have had together? Again,
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and yell
and scream and not understand that there is nuance there.
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There's each as an individual story like I get all
of that, all of it okay, but I would I
would also tell you that you know, you look around
and you're like, wait, you needed more time together. This
is the flaw. And what Doc Reverse didn't do. He
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didn't demand that everybody was there immediately. And I get like,
when you're planning on staying somewhere for three months, you're like,
you know, if you want to show up a couple
of days, like fine, whatever, we got things to work
it out. But you know, then the lou Williams thing happened.
It kind of spoiled out of control. You had a
couple of injuries, you had some other guys have some
personal stuff, and Patrick Beverley is is away from the bubble,
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like these guys come back in and now it's you're
like reached every time. You're trying to restart your chemistry.
But more time together. Who's that on? You guys are
in the bubble for the last two and a half months.
You need more time together. Um. And I understand what
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he's saying about the championship or bust I don't. I'm
not gonna misconstrue it. I think he's being raked over
the coals for which I understand, like there should have
been a greater sense of urgency. Now, Paul Georgie's like, like,
I'm not going anywhere. You know, Kauai is not going anywhere.
We're staying here. We don't plan on leaving ever. Fine,
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but you don't get that many opportunities. He definitely don't
get opportunities where you have the best team or one
of the two best teams like that. Doesn't remember next
year the Nets are gonna be talented. Next year the
Warriors should be super talented. You know, you gotta assume
that the Nuggets, whatever happens here, Jamal Murray shouldn't get worse.
He should get better. Same thing with your kitch continues.
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They're still in growth phase. Lakers gonna try and make
moves and keep getting better. Right Portland Trailblazer, Le's see
if they can add another piece. I just you and
and Kauai were healthy. You guys had a great chance,
and it was it would have been the first time
when you could play the Lakers and not play a
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road game, even when it's on your home floor. So
I understand what he's saying. The way in which he
said it sounds like it just lacks any sense of urgency,
which is clearly so badly needed. Just he's he's a
He's one of those guys. He's smart, but sometimes too
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smart for his own good. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Daniel Jeremiah moved the
sticks as the podcast. He also calls the Charger games
on radio. Let's let's start with the charge they took
on Joe Burrow. Um, what what was your now that
you you watched Joe Burrow in person, what's your eval
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of him as NFL quarterback? Well? I thought he got better,
Doug as the game went along. I thought it was
an adjustment for him speed wise. Um, I think just
you go from L s U being able to sit
back there even when they were you know, an empty Uh,
he could. He could be comfortable in the pocket and
the charge made him very uncomfortable. Um, so it took
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him a while. That's kind of a justice speed. I
thought he got better as the game one along. Um,
he's not a huge arm and that was you could
notice that out there. You know, you always it's different
when you're the college game the NFL game. Um, So
on the negative side, that would probably be the one
that stood out to me. But uh, you know, I
think the kids really really tough, and I think he
started to figure some things out as the game went along. Yeah,
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I you know, I noticed that he took one deep
shot down the field to his tight end and badly
overthrew it. And you know, I think to some people
that would be nerves. To me, that would be a
guy who doesn't have a great arm, you know, trying
to load up to to you know, to to make
sure that he made the throw. Um. Okay, so how
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problematic is that arm strength in the future. Well, you know,
I don't know. I want to see more. Um. I
just think, you know, there's some guys when the ball
just jumps out of their hand, you know. And you
see Kyler Murray, um, and you watch obviously Mahomes some
of these other quarterbacks. Carson Wins, we've seen him come
out like he's just that's not his game. Um. His
game is about anticipation in timing, and he missed. He
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missed two deep balls, missed one to to a j
Green was wide open, overthrew that one, and overthrew one
too John Ross, which both of them would have been touchdowns. Um,
so I think he'll settle in. I don't. I don't
think the arm strength thing is gonna be you know,
a major, major deal because it's an anticipation timing thrower.
But you know, it's hard to it's hard with the
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lack of offseason if you're an anticipation timing guy. Um,
that's gonna take a little while. Daniel Jeremiah joining us
in the Doug Otl Live Show on Fox Sports Radio.
How long will we see Tyrod Taylor's quarterback of the Chargers? Well,
I mean, you know, you know how much uh, you know,
the organization UM loves Tyrod Taylor and you you find
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ways to win games that just to me, it's a
very narrow path, um. And that's the challenge is that
you know, you're gonna have to have your defense produce
some turnovers, You're gonna have to run the ball. Well,
it's just you know, play style wise, he's a he's
a fishing. It's just not explosive. And you know, this
will be a good This will be a good one
this week against Kansas City Chiefs because is that game
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and all likely to find its way, you know, north
and twenty eight points and can you produce twenty eight points?
You know with this style? That's gonna be you know,
that's gonna be the the answer to how long we're
gonna see Tyrode before they go to Justin. Herbert Doug
got live show here on Fox Sports Radio. All right,
let's let's go around the league. Um, what do you
think about what Bruce arians said in regards to Tom Brady. Yeah,
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I guess tough love, huh. I mean that's uh, you know,
Bruce kind of always done that. I think it's almost
kind of a statement of of you know, sometimes some coaches,
as you know, they like to do that. They like
to single out the best player, you know, are the
biggest reputation and kind of call him out and then
it's kind of a it's a it's a message to
the rest of the team that that everybody can get this.
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But man, it just seemed unusual for your first game
where I think you kind of lower your expectations a
little bit. Hey, we'll get it, we'll get it. Going
to just to come out and uh kind of adviserate
your starting quarterback. That was interesting. Okay, So how much
of it is lack of timing. How much of it
is he's been into a different scheme, how much of
it is the Saints, how much of it is age.
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If I was going to look at it, I would say,
first of all, Brady the velocity was good. Um, he
moved around like he always had. I didn't notice any
noticeable difference there. His vision was not good. That was
what alarmed me a little bit, because he's always been
somebody that saw the field extremely well. Did not see
the field well, did not make great decisions. Um. But
I tend to look at that as is more of
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a one off. With the Saints defense and how good
they are. I think their secondary is as good as
it gets. Um, So I'm I'm I'm gonna reserve judgment
on that until we see them um and some better
opportunities than the one they had there against the Saints.
But um, yeah, that the biggest The biggest issue for
me was not you know, Tom Brady's lost his arm,
or Tom Brady you know he's just old and can't
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move at all. It was it was tom Brady not
seeing the field, and that should have nothing to do
with age. Age should be something that helped him in
that regard. Doug Gottlives show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay,
I watched Philip Rivers and I watched him throw the
ball all over the place late and they lost a
close game. And I said, yep, that's Philip Rivers. What
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do you think? Well? I think that, Um, you think
you got you got something there that's uh up to
the to refute. I mean, there's so much good it
can be with Philip, and it's been that way. You know,
was that way last year where you can have eight
goods and then just one head scratcher, and he's he's
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hasn't been able to eliminate that from his game. It's
something he's got. He's got to figure it out. But
I would say, if you'd told me before that game,
I think they threw it forty six times or forty
eight times or something like that. That was not what
I envisioned for that coach team and how they were
going to try and play and win games. Um, that
didn't make any sense to me. I know Marlon Mack
got injured, but they have to change that formula. Philip
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is not gonna be able to take them where they
want to go. If they're throwing it that much, that's
just not gonna work. No, No, not gonna work at all.
Does Ben Roethlisberger, how did he look to you? Fine? Um?
He has? I mean he has. Uh. You know that
offense is pretty user friendly for him, and and he
doesn't have to be you know, dynamic and explosive. He
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just has to sit back there and make a decision
to take care of the football. Their defense is gonna
have him in every single game that they play. So
to me, this is, uh, this is kind of set
up for the Steelers. It reminds me of of Peyton
Super Bowl year with the Broncos, And I think Ben
is in a better place physically than Peyton was at
that point in time, but I feel like the threshold
for what he needs to do is very similar to
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Peyton that year. Um. I think their defense is going
to carry them a long way. Yeah, I I do
as well. What about Daniel Jones now? Year two? Offensive
line still work in progress, say Kwan Barkley, Gabe get
Hiden behind the line of scrimmage. What do you think
of Daniel Jones? I liked what he did. You know,
if you take out one throw from that game, down
on the goal line where he just he he couldn't
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let it go, you know, and he had budget Pree
hit him and ball popped up in the here he
gets picked. Um. Outside of that, I thought, you know,
some of the things that he has that you really like.
I think he does need the field well, hangs in there.
I do not think they're great up front by any stretch. Um,
So they have a lot of work they need to
do around him. But if I was a Giants fan,
I actually feel pretty comfortable that that you've got a
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pretty good guy you can build around. Calhard's bailing on
Sam Donald? Should I I'm not bailing on Sam Donald.
I'm I'm not feeling great about Sam Donald's success in Um,
those are two different Those are two different categories. I
don't see with where they are right now, what they
have around him skill wise, it's not it's not encouraging. Now.
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He missed, he missed, and he admitted that he missed
three or four throws early in that game. He's got
a hit, um, but I just man, there's just not
a lot of there's not a lot of around them
right now. Some of that due to injury, but uh,
you know, I don't anticipate this being a very good
year for the Jets. And I imagine that, Uh, you know,
they've got all these resources in the off season, um
these next two years, which picks um and that's uh,
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you know, that's where they're gonna have to try and
get the team better. That The challenge is gonna be
if Sam doesn't play well, how do you separate between
what is Sam? If you the organization, um, you know,
versus the surrounding. Because they the way it looked off
one week, Doug, they're gonna be picking way up there
and uh, and this is setting up to be a
very good quarterback year. So that's gonna be it's gonna
be a challenging one for the Jets to figure out. Yeah,
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but did not look if they believe in him, that
could allow them to move down. And then you know,
they have so many other holes to fill, just the
lack of talent um that I mean, they're gonna need
wide receivers, running back. It's gonna need it. It's like
a house, it's gonna need everything. Like we got the quarterback.
He's fine. Let's let's put some dudes around the question
is he takes such a beating and make so many
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mistakes that he develops even worse habits. Daniel Jeremiah, our
guest on the Doug Gottlieb Show, Baker Mayfield is that fixable.
It doesn't look good. And I don't understand that one
because I think, you know, I look at everything that's
that he has around him. I think he's set up
for success. So there's no you know, Sam, Yeah, exactly
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with Sam. You know, I don't want to absolve him
or any criticism he didn't play well, but you can
you can come up with reasons why Sam didn't play well.
Baker doesn't really have any reasons. When you look at
what he has around him, there's no reason why they
he should not be more successful. Um. And you know, look,
it's I want to overreact off one week. Let's let's
give it three or four more games. But he has
got to be a lot better than that. Um. Okay,
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Derek Carr, what are your thoughts in his performance? He
was fine? I thought he was fine. You know. I
thought when they had to have big drive, the big
drive at the end, he stepped up and delivered. Um.
I think you know they had Henry Ruggs got nicked
up in that game and missed a chunk of time,
but you can see the impact he had early on.
They schemed up a deep shot to him and he
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uh and Derek was able to get it out there.
So Derek still gonna have He still has a little
bit of a conservative gene that shows up at times.
I think it's frustrating, especially down on the red own.
We want to see him just be a little bit
more aggressive and assertive. But um, I thought on the
whole he played pretty well. Um I just don't think
that Raiders defense is gonna be able to be able
to hang with some of these high power teams that
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they're gonna end up seeing this year. I just I
don't have a lot of confidence there. Why were the
Cowboys so bad on third down? Offensively? You know? I
I went into it and I heard all the criticism
of Dak and I kind of went in with that
mindset when I watched the tape. And then when I
watched the tape, I came out of it and said, well,
you're these are a lot of third and long third
and twelve to twenties. Um they pass protection wise, we're
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not good And they let the Rams play a very
physical on the perimeter with Jalen Ramsey, especially against Marity
Cooper on some of those third downs, he just wouldn't
he wouldn't let go. Um So Dak scrambled, made a
couple of things happen there, came up short on one
of them. They end up converting the fourth down. But
you know, long story short, when you watch that tape, Doug,
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I did not come away with that. I did not
agree with the uh with the amount of critics. Isn't
that that got for for the third down performance? There
are a lot of other issues they got to clean up. Yeah,
But I mean, like, look again, at some point, the
buck does stop there, right, Like we keep changing coaches
and coordinators. You've got dudes, and I know there's other
issues there, but how many times do we have to
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see it against better competition? Do where you go? Is
at least either part of the problem part of the solution. Well,
I mean, I guess you can make the comment about
the competition, but I mean they're the number one offense
in the NFL. Last year, he's taken him the postseason.
I mean, it's not like he's an unaccomplished guy back there.
Um but I'm just saying in that in that one instance,
in that one game that was not that was not
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great around him, that that injury the tight end is
really going to hurt them because he had gotten comfortable
with Darwin and they don't have another one. So um
and Mary Cooper's got to get off press. I mean,
they let him play. Um, but man, you've you've you
can't get tied up like he got tied up in that.
I just don't think Marie Cooper is as good as
his contract. He's he's a he's he's an last player.
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But yeah, but he was. He was so good when
he came over from the Raiders, but the everyone massively
overvalued him. And like like you said, he just got
mannadled by Jalen Ramsey when they tried to be when
he's physical with them and the rest of him be physical. Yeah.
So I think he's a good, complimentary player. I don't
think he's a he's a pure one a receiver. I
just don't. But um, you know, they they they're they're
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an interesting team to keep an eye on. I'm telling
you that injury, let's see how it goes. But I
think that's I don't think many people know who Blake
Jarwin is. Uh so they don't. That just didn't even
they didn't even register for them. That's a big loss
for that team. Yeah, shan shan Lee out again, stopped.
We've heard it for but Blake Jarwin starting tight end.
If I walk on an Oklahoma state an undrafted guy
who you know, earned earned his way to a decent country,
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I gotta run the last thing. Uh. Injury starting to
pile up in San Francisco and Jimmy Garoppolo doing those
Jimmy Garoppolo things. How concerned should we be? I think
keep an eye on the On the Kyle Shanahan press
conferences after games, you can see there's a there's a
healthy frustration there with with what he's getting at the
quarterback position. I think that's only going to grow. Awesome stuff.
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of All NBA Team. He'll be on NBA. Anybody's All
NBA team. He's Rick Buker, Bleacher Report, Fox Sports One. Um,
what happened to the Clippers? A lot of things that
maybe in hindsight, I mean hindsight obviously is that perfect
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vision that we should have seen coming. I mean I
can pick it apart now and tell you you know
why it happened. Um Montras Harold obviously didn't work out
during the uh during the break and came back out
of out of shape. And he's an energy player. Lou Williams.
You looked closely at his play his playoff performances last
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year was an aberration and bottom line was wasn't good
enough to get the Clippers out of the first round
in spite of how badly the Warriors played. Um uh
Kauai Leonard, you know in terms of being a leader,
Paul George, in terms of being a guy who could
step up and clutch situations. I look at now my
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analysis who who they were and what they are or
what they were, and um, I was looking at the
glass half bowl. I was looking at what they showed
me glimpses of and said, if they find this and
do this consistently, they're the best team in the league.
But consistency and attention to detail and discipline is a
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muscle that I've often said, you have to work. Uh.
It is part of the equation, and it was always
a concern of mine. I just I did it last
year with Toronto. I thought he would do it again
with the Clippers. There was a lot of things that
I looked past, so um, they were who who we
should have suspected they were. They just they didn't become
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the thing that we could have that we thought they
would be. It's you make several grade points there. Let
me let me start with the Kauai thing, and this
is something I thought. I was actually having a conversation
yesterday with a friend of mine who's in the bubble
about Kauai and we're trying to figure out what's wrong
with the Clippers, and he was like, look, everybody's just
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kind of talking about they're just not really into it.
Like the bubble is really hard on these guys, especially
the older guys. Not necessary because the family just by
some point, at some point, they're used to a different lifestyle.
Whereas the younger guys, they're not that far removed from
the um a you in the hotel, yeah whatever, and
they're you know, they're they're just out there hooping, right
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that they're hooping. They got they got, they got nothing else. Um,
but we're talking about said, yes, right, that's my son's
playing Xbox right now. We got a hoop work out
for two hours later today, right, Like, that's that's what
you're programming for and then this weekend we'll play a
bunch of games. So um. But the Kauai thing, I said,
you can't have a mute leader, and he's like, well, look,
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san Antonio Tim Duncan wasn't a big talker. I was like, yeah,
a little bit more behind the scenes. But here's the
difference Sem san Antonio Toronto and the Clippers. San Antonio
Toronto both had a culture that was established at San
Antonio had a championship culture that he became a part of.
Toronto had at a very good culture. They just didn't
have the They didn't have the lead dog to take
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him to the promised land. That's only difference. The Clippers
they had no culture, the completely new thing. So he
couldn't just be him. He had to be something that
he wasn't, which is a true leader, and that's not
who he is. No, I agree, and I think I
looked at the work ethic of and again during the
regular season, and I agree with you. The bubble, uh
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has been a factor in a multitude of ways. I
don't know, we've seen it. I mean, the reality is
all the young teams that normally you have to earn
your stripes and you have to go through the wars
of learning how to handle your energy and the pressure
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and the all of the things that go along with
a normal playoff situation. These young players have not had
to experience that. So these young teams, and I put
the Boston Celtics still in that category because they're there.
They are feeding off of young stars, the Miami Heat,
the Denver Nuggets, um, they've all they're all teams that
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have in normal situations, I don't know that they'd be
doing what they're doing. The Lakers obviously have been a
huge outlier. Although you could a Kyle Kuzma and Alex
Caruso making the contributions that they have, Uh, you know,
would that happen in a normal situation. But I don't
believe that the Clippers would have been any different because
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of all the elements, would would Mantraz Harold have been
more of a factor? Yeah, I think I think so.
Lou Williams, No, his style of play doesn't hold up
in the postseason. And ultimately we saw the chemistry issues.
And to your point, like the one guy who's been
on Kent on championship teams or the two guys Doc
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and Kauai, they can say we know what it looks like,
what it feels like, and how you build one. And
we talked all year about like bringing that chemistry together,
and I just figured at some point one of it,
either one of those two guys would sound the alarm
and say, hey, you know what, we're not getting there.
We're we're missing something and corrected, or would say we're
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missing something and you know, I don't know how we're
going to get it. But since they didn't and I
assumed that they understood what they had and didn't have,
I went along with it. And that was a mistake
that I made. And um uh and I believe that
Kauai and Doc demonstrated in both cases that their championships
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may have been a product as you as you well noted,
may have been a product of who they were with
as opposed to who they are. That that that's even
smarter way of putting it. That's Rick Buker joining us
lost in this is the Nuggets, right, Like, Um, what
they've done is nothing short of spectacular. I don't know
if you saw this sixties sety nine. They outscored the
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Clippers in the second half in game five, thirty five
in Game six, and fifty to thirty three in Game seven.
And this is a team that um Yo kich was
known as the guy who'd run out of gas late
in games. Granted we're not playing an altitude anymore. Um,
how would you describe what we've seen from Jamal Murray,
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Yoki and this and this Nuggets team? I I just
I can't help but give Mike Malone a ton of
credit for how he's utilized guys and like how he's
navigated the whole Michael Porter Jr. Element, the way that
he has used his veterans. It's just obviously it helps
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that these um, you know, Jamal Murray I thought said
it well, like they're playing for something and and and
and and as far as social justice, statements and everything.
I don't know that anybody has handled it better than
Jamal Murray. Um, he hasn't been over the top with it.
He's made the statement, but he's he's talked about how
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what's going on in the country right now and the
fight for his has served to be a cause and
a motivator for them playing. And that is the goal
of every coach, is to get guys to play for
something greater than themselves. And lo and behold, the Nuggets
found that in Jamal Murray identified it. And but but
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the manipulation of the rotations and just finding the matchups
and taking advantage of them, I just I don't I'm
still not sure how good the Nuggets really are. But um, Michael,
And that's why if I was, if I was writing
a piece right now, because I know who Mike Malone
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is from the very start, and he was a little
too full metal, full metal jacket to uh to get
a team to play this way and to survive this way.
There's been some profound change that has happened with Mike
Malone and I'm very curious to find out what it
is because he's evolved as a coach and I think
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where the Nuggets find themselves as a reflection of that,
then you have have you ever seen a game decided
by a block shot where the guy who blocks the
shots hands actually inside the rim almost being donked. I've
never seen that, playmate, No, And you know it's funny,
I said going into the series like one, I'm fascinated
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by it and um and I and I wondered, like
who was going to be who'se mismatch creation was going
to be a bigger factor Bam out of Bio or
Jason Tatum as far as forcing the other team to shift,
And would we see Bam out of Bio against Jayson
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Tatum and lo and behold we get that play which
is but this is the thing, so to connect the two.
The Clippers basically got blocked at the rim at game five,
and then we waited to see, okay, how would they
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respond and we saw basically they got blocked at the
rim two more times they came up small. I'm really
fascinated to see how Jason Tatum, in particular, in the
in the Celtics in general respond to this, because this
is what champions are made of. You get blocked at
the rim, you have bad games you lose heartbreaking. You
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have heartbreaking losses, it's how you respond to them. And
I'm a I'm a believer in Jason Tatum, but he's
got to show it now, Like he's got to demonstrate
that that was one game and it's in my rear
view mirror and I'm coming right back at you the
next time and I'm going to get it done. But
that's that's where I love this and seeing these young
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guys go at it is that there are there are
reputations and legacies being made. Bubble or no bubble. Rick
Bucker join us from True Report. Uh has just been
this is so so good? Um, what do people think
of Paul George in the league? Like this is? This
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is Paul George And and I want to start by saying,
before you react, I do understand that culturally we get
to this like, well you're win. We had a bad season,
like it's not really, But to take a listen to
what he had to say, it is what it is.
It's no cop out. The fact of the matter is
we didn't live up to that expectation. But I think
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internally we've always felt this is not a championship or
bus year for us. You know, we we can only
get better the longer we stay together and the more
we're around each other, the more chemistry for this group,
the better. I think that's really to tell of the
tape of the season. We just didn't have enough time together.
I mean, you had two and a half months in
the boat. If if lou Williams doesn't go to the
Strip Club, if Montres Harold doesn't leave, if Patrick Beverley
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doesn't leave and then come back like, you have plenty
of time together. But you know, kind of you know,
they're all saying chemistry. He's the only one saying it
wasn't championship or bust. Yeah. Look, I but I'm not
gonna fault Paul George for that because if he was
thinking that, if he thought that, that is on and
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if that was expressed ever in any point, that is
on Doc and Kauai two to stamp that out and
say no, there's an urgency here, this is time to
get it done. And especially in light of the fact
that you traded I mean, let's not forget they traded
five first round picks Shade Gilda's Alexander and Denilla Gawanari
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to get Paul George. They mortgage their future in order
to have this team together now, and Kauen Leonard is
only guaranteed to be part of your team another year.
So this idea that you've got time to cultivate that chemistry.
If Paul George, Paul George should have if he ever
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entertained that thought, or any other Clipper entertained that thought,
that should have been squashed and they should have known
that's not the deal. We're going to get it right now.
So to me, it's as much it's looked. Paul George
is a is A is A is A number two
without questions is a number two. When I asked people
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who could benefit the most if Michael Jordan was playing
the Day's game, like who could be his Scottie Pippen, um,
Paul George was one of the names that a lot
of people came up with, And I think that I
tend to agree with that Becausettie Pippen said a lot
of dumb things when he was playing and winning championships,
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and a lot of things he would go that's not
really and not only said but did a lot of
things that you would think that's really not a championship mindset,
and yet Gottie Pippen was part of six championship peaks
because he had the right number one in front of
him and so I had the right number one, had
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the right coach. Well that that's like that, that's like
I've heard this is a Herbert the Lakers. I've heard
that that what what the beauty to how it works
is Anthony Davis is probably their best player because of
his just Lebron, his age, whatever, But it's Lebron basically
tells Anthony Davis what he needs from him, and then
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Anthony Davis not only does it, but then Anthony Davis
then says it to the rest of the guys what
they need and it's it's it's the perfect. Lebron is
the one, even though Anthony Davis is actually the better
player at this point. Is here there's no question. I mean,
that's why Lebron was my m VT because people look
at at Anthony Davis's numbers and go, well, how can
Lebron Blabron might not even be the m v P
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of his team. No, Anthony, this is what is truly
superstar status. Great great players. Stars get their numbers. Superstars
get other guys numbers, and Anthony Davis is what he
is with the Lakers because of Lebron James. If you
take Lebron James out of the equation and put anybody
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else there, I would dare say, Kawhi Leonard included, I'm
not sure that you are, and well, I'm sure you're
not getting this Anthony Davis. And I still need to
see Anthony Davis in some big spots continue to do
what he's he's doing. He he and Paul George to
me are very very similar, and that when it's going good,
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they're good. But if you're in trouble and you need
to be picked up, can they take over? And I feel,
and I've said this is from the very beginning, at
some point, if the Lakers are going to win a championship,
they're going to need Anthony Davis to step up and
be that guy, not just get everything off of Lebron
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or the attention that Lebron receives, but to to take
over and be a playmaker. And I'm I need to
see it. He's certainly risen in my estimation, but I
think it's it is still the benefit of playing with
Lebron James. Awesome stuff Buke. Look forward to talking with
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And then of course we had what what I would
deem one of the all time, not just great upsets
and comeback. It's one thing to be to take down
the Clippers, who were many people's favorites to reach the
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NBA Finals and win NBA Championship. Like that's that's one
part of it, but there's a there's another part to
it where you're down three games to one. There's another
part to it where you're down three games one in
the second straight series. But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
there's more. O. They trailed in all of these games, right,
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and they had a furious comeback. Uh down two at
the half, up eight at the end of the third,
and you end up winning by fifteen points. But again,
more to it than that right too. It's one thing
to outscore the Clippers fifty two, Uh what was it
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to thirty three? Fifty to thirty three in the second half.
He's like, okay, so they outscored, they came from behind.
Go back to game six, they outscored the Clippers in
the second half, sixty four, sixty four to thirty five. Wait, wait, wait,
there's there's more. Okay, go back to game five. You're like,
wait again, Yes, game five, they outscored the Clippers in
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the second half. Hey, sixty seven to forty nine. Like
it was all about the second halpsode. The team came
from behind in the last two series, down three games
to one, came from behind each of the last three
games and blew the blew the Clippers out of the water.
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They just, I mean, the the whole thing, that, the
whole story is nothing short of remarkable. This was Kawhi
Leonard on how they can improve next season. I just
gotta build. There's some chemistry. I gotta get smarter Blue,
the piece up the team together. You know we were close,
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Uh you know, Dame was great. So we show ourselves
and fifth the last three games. The last three games
are pretty much a meter that's coming in and you know,
now able to score the ball in the third or
the fourth quarter, and now tonight were just a mirror,
you know, and you know those are the things that
you know, you gotta learn and grow from. Gotta learn,
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gotta grow from now. In fairness, the super teams, it's hard.
The first year, it just is like go back and
look at some of these super teams. Even once Lebron
James has been on, whether it was Miami first year
was when he didn't play well, they lost to the
Miami Heat. They lost to the Dallas Mavericks in the finals.
You go to Cleveland the first year in the NBA Finals,
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they lost to the Golden State Warriors. Some super teams
that are put together. Never people forget the last year
Shock and Kobe. That wasn't their first year together and
they had in fact executed a three peat. But that
was they added Gary Payton, added Karl Malone and that
was supposed to be their super team. Reworked roster. But
the idea that everything just works together swimmingly, even Lebron
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last year came to Lakers and it was an epic
and abject disaster. Right, if we don't hold, well, let's
not hold Lebron to the standard of Lebron of getting
to the NBA Finals. They did not get to the playoffs.
So again, I'm I'm not gonna sit here and go
we haven't seen this before war We have, and I can.
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I'm okay putting the blame at least partially at the
feet of Kawhi Leonard, who faded badly in the fourth
quarter in all three of these games and could not
make a shot, looked exhausted, didn't play well down the
stretch last night. I'm okay. So we're okay. Like these
things do happen, I tweeted out earlier today. You know,
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Nick Wright is doing a victory lab because he kep
called it like, look, we saw Lebron the two thousand
and seventeen NBA finals and and what happens in two
thousand seventeen NBA finals because the Warriors had won seventy
three games the year before and had lost to the
Calves and added Kevin Durant. Everybody, well that that's unfair, Like, okay,
each team had three perennial All Stars, and then I
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guess the differences that the Warriors had Draymond Green as
opposed to Tristan Thompson and Kevin Love. The shine wore
off the star are but I mean Kevin Love before
the trade to the Calves, was seen as arguably the
best power forward in the n b A two thousand
seventeen NBA Finals. Lebron James shot sent from the floor
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in the first half. He shot the third quarter and
thirty six in the in the fourth quarter. Happens, guys
get tired to try and carry their team. They trying
to do too much that they're not in perfect condition.
And I would say that if you look at the Clippers,
it's never just one thing. Was it chemistry? Sure? But
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part of the chemistry issues is the makeup of the team, right.
You know, they they never had a point guard. They
wanted Darren Carlinson. They couldn't get Darren Carlson, so they
settled on Patrick Beverley as their starting point guard. They
tried to fix it with Reggie Jackson, you know, and
and have him when they add some injuries mid season.
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That's not great for Reggie Jackson has never been good
for anybody's chemistry ever. You know, whichever Morris they have,
do they have Marcus Morris. I think they have Marcus
Moore's right, they have the Morrist that everybody says that
the Morris that you wanted. Hey here's a little here's
a little note. He hasn't ever won anything in the NBA. Yes,
he scored a bunch of points with the Knicks this year.
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Noticed the Knicks fired everybody involved with the basketball team
because they were so bad they didn't win. I don't
care how many points you score, if everybody gets fired
because you don't win games and build their chemistry, hurt
their chemistry. And then, like look, put some of the
blame at the feet of kauaiet Leonard, who is solid,
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is a tremendous player, but he is not the verbal
and vocal leader. He is not Lebron in that. So
who is Paul George who's in his own head because
of quarantine and the issues that he he told everybody
he was dealing with. And then you have Doc who
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We've seen this before. We've seen the Boston Celtics, uh
physical apart when they trade away Kendrick Perkins. We've seen
the Clippers lose up three games to one a couple
of years ago when he had a litany of talented
players that couldn't find a way to get along. Chemistry
does matter, Cohesion does matter, confidence doesn't matter. And you
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know what else matters. Conditioning matters. Clippers were tired basketball team.
And whether it's because they weren't practicing all the time,
or practicing all the time together or whatever happened. This
is sports, like it's the beauty of sports. Is what
happened last night. The beauty of sports is that it's
a forty eight minute game. You may be leaving at halftime.
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You may be leading in the third quarter. That doesn't
we play four quarters of basketball. You may be leading
up three games to one. You still have to win
that fourth game. They don't just hand you the trophy
and say close enough. This isn't you playing golf with
your buddy and you go you're good, good, like you're
like twelve feet out. You know what, I don't want
to see you three three put and throw your club
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and say drop a bunch of f bombs. So let's
just call it good and go onto the next hole.
These things happen. The best team or the best collection
of talent doesn't always win. We talked about yesterday Tampa
Bay Buccaneers can't just put names down on a piece
of paper and go like, hey, all these guys and
Tom Brady, they're gonna win. There's another team, there's chemistry,
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there's time to work together, and they never figured it out.
Something was wrong, something was amiss. Maybe there'll be a book,
maybe they'll be a reality show, maybe to be a podcast.
Maybe there'll just be something that somebody says on my
show about what really happened. But for whatever it is,
the Clippers in the last three second second halfs got
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absolutely blown out of the water. So that's what happens.
That that that's sports, that's life. That's what makes it
so great because it doesn't work to where you just go, oh,
Clippers Lakers, let's have meet in the finals. Don't work
that way, doesn't work that way. Something was wrong, something
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was amiss. Enough of the players said we got some
chemistry issues to where you start to believe, you know what,
they're right, and then you watch the product on the floor,
which there's a little bit of finger pointing, bad by
the language, more fatigue than there should be, and you
end up getting beaten by why I think all accounts
would be an inferior team, even if they played some
superior basketball in the second half all the last three games.
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I'm talking about Paul George for a second. He struggled
in an elimination game last night. Playoff. P was now
eliminated to P. This is Paul George on his expectations
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before the season started. It is what it is. It's
no cop out. The fact of the matter is we
didn't live up to that expectation. But I think internally
we've always felt this is not a championship or bus
year four us. You know, we we can only get
better the longer we stay together and the more we're
around each other, the more chemistry for this group, the better.
I think that's really to tell of the tape of
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the season. We just didn't have enough time together. It's
interesting how much more time could you possibly have had together? Again,
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and yell
and scream and not understand that there is nuance there.
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There's each as an individual story like I get all
of that, all of it okay, but I would I
would also tell you that you know, you look around
and you're like, wait, you needed more time together. This
is the flaw. And what Doc Reverse didn't do. He
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didn't demand that everybody was there immediately. And I get like,
when you're planning on staying somewhere for three months, you're like,
you know, if you want to show up a couple
of days, like fine, whatever, we got things to work
it out. But you know, then the lou Williams thing happened.
It kind of spoiled out of control. You had a
couple of injuries, you had some other guys have some
personal stuff, and Patrick Beverley is is away from the bubble,
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like these guys come back in and now it's you're
like reached every time. You're trying to restart your chemistry.
But more time together. Who's that on? You guys are
in the bubble for the last two and a half months.
You need more time together. Um. And I understand what
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he's saying about the championship or bust I don't. I'm
not gonna misconstrue it. I think he's being raked over
the coals for which I understand, like there should have
been a greater sense of urgency. Now, Paul Georgie's like, like,
I'm not going anywhere. You know, Kauai is not going anywhere.
We're staying here. We don't plan on leaving ever. Fine,
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but you don't get that many opportunities. He definitely don't
get opportunities where you have the best team or one
of the two best teams like that. Doesn't remember next
year the Nets are gonna be talented. Next year the
Warriors should be super talented. You know, you gotta assume
that the Nuggets, whatever happens here, Jamal Murray shouldn't get worse.
He should get better. Same thing with your kitch continues.
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They're still in growth phase. Lakers gonna try and make
moves and keep getting better. Right Portland Trailblazer, Le's see
if they can add another piece. I just you and
and Kauai were healthy. You guys had a great chance,
and it was it would have been the first time
when you could play the Lakers and not play a
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road game, even when it's on your home floor. So
I understand what he's saying. The way in which he
said it sounds like it just lacks any sense of urgency,
which is clearly so badly needed. Just he's he's a
He's one of those guys. He's smart, but sometimes too
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smart for his own good. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Daniel Jeremiah moved the
sticks as the podcast. He also calls the Charger games
on radio. Let's let's start with the charge they took
on Joe Burrow. Um, what what was your now that
you you watched Joe Burrow in person, what's your eval
(13:34):
of him as NFL quarterback? Well? I thought he got better,
Doug as the game went along. I thought it was
an adjustment for him speed wise. Um, I think just
you go from L s U being able to sit
back there even when they were you know, an empty Uh,
he could. He could be comfortable in the pocket and
the charge made him very uncomfortable. Um, so it took
(13:54):
him a while. That's kind of a justice speed. I
thought he got better as the game one along. Um,
he's not a huge arm and that was you could
notice that out there. You know, you always it's different
when you're the college game the NFL game. Um, So
on the negative side, that would probably be the one
that stood out to me. But uh, you know, I
think the kids really really tough, and I think he
started to figure some things out as the game went along. Yeah,
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I you know, I noticed that he took one deep
shot down the field to his tight end and badly
overthrew it. And you know, I think to some people
that would be nerves. To me, that would be a
guy who doesn't have a great arm, you know, trying
to load up to to you know, to to make
sure that he made the throw. Um. Okay, so how
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problematic is that arm strength in the future. Well, you know,
I don't know. I want to see more. Um. I
just think, you know, there's some guys when the ball
just jumps out of their hand, you know. And you
see Kyler Murray, um, and you watch obviously Mahomes some
of these other quarterbacks. Carson Wins, we've seen him come
out like he's just that's not his game. Um. His
game is about anticipation in timing, and he missed. He
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missed two deep balls, missed one to to a j
Green was wide open, overthrew that one, and overthrew one
too John Ross, which both of them would have been touchdowns. Um,
so I think he'll settle in. I don't. I don't
think the arm strength thing is gonna be you know,
a major, major deal because it's an anticipation timing thrower.
But you know, it's hard to it's hard with the
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lack of offseason if you're an anticipation timing guy. Um,
that's gonna take a little while. Daniel Jeremiah joining us
in the Doug Otl Live Show on Fox Sports Radio.
How long will we see Tyrod Taylor's quarterback of the Chargers? Well,
I mean, you know, you know how much uh, you know,
the organization UM loves Tyrod Taylor and you you find
(15:40):
ways to win games that just to me, it's a
very narrow path, um. And that's the challenge is that
you know, you're gonna have to have your defense produce
some turnovers, You're gonna have to run the ball. Well,
it's just you know, play style wise, he's a he's
a fishing. It's just not explosive. And you know, this
will be a good This will be a good one
this week against Kansas City Chiefs because is that game
(16:01):
and all likely to find its way, you know, north
and twenty eight points and can you produce twenty eight points?
You know with this style? That's gonna be you know,
that's gonna be the the answer to how long we're
gonna see Tyrode before they go to Justin. Herbert Doug
got live show here on Fox Sports Radio. All right,
let's let's go around the league. Um, what do you
think about what Bruce arians said in regards to Tom Brady. Yeah,
(16:25):
I guess tough love, huh. I mean that's uh, you know,
Bruce kind of always done that. I think it's almost
kind of a statement of of you know, sometimes some coaches,
as you know, they like to do that. They like
to single out the best player, you know, are the
biggest reputation and kind of call him out and then
it's kind of a it's a it's a message to
the rest of the team that that everybody can get this.
(16:47):
But man, it just seemed unusual for your first game
where I think you kind of lower your expectations a
little bit. Hey, we'll get it, we'll get it. Going
to just to come out and uh kind of adviserate
your starting quarterback. That was interesting. Okay, So how much
of it is lack of timing. How much of it
is he's been into a different scheme, how much of
it is the Saints, how much of it is age.
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If I was going to look at it, I would say,
first of all, Brady the velocity was good. Um, he
moved around like he always had. I didn't notice any
noticeable difference there. His vision was not good. That was
what alarmed me a little bit, because he's always been
somebody that saw the field extremely well. Did not see
the field well, did not make great decisions. Um. But
I tend to look at that as is more of
(17:29):
a one off. With the Saints defense and how good
they are. I think their secondary is as good as
it gets. Um, So I'm I'm I'm gonna reserve judgment
on that until we see them um and some better
opportunities than the one they had there against the Saints.
But um, yeah, that the biggest The biggest issue for
me was not you know, Tom Brady's lost his arm,
or Tom Brady you know he's just old and can't
(17:51):
move at all. It was it was tom Brady not
seeing the field, and that should have nothing to do
with age. Age should be something that helped him in
that regard. Doug Gottlives show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay,
I watched Philip Rivers and I watched him throw the
ball all over the place late and they lost a
close game. And I said, yep, that's Philip Rivers. What
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do you think? Well? I think that, Um, you think
you got you got something there that's uh up to
the to refute. I mean, there's so much good it
can be with Philip, and it's been that way. You know,
was that way last year where you can have eight
goods and then just one head scratcher, and he's he's
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hasn't been able to eliminate that from his game. It's
something he's got. He's got to figure it out. But
I would say, if you'd told me before that game,
I think they threw it forty six times or forty
eight times or something like that. That was not what
I envisioned for that coach team and how they were
going to try and play and win games. Um, that
didn't make any sense to me. I know Marlon Mack
got injured, but they have to change that formula. Philip
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is not gonna be able to take them where they
want to go. If they're throwing it that much, that's
just not gonna work. No, No, not gonna work at all.
Does Ben Roethlisberger, how did he look to you? Fine? Um?
He has? I mean he has. Uh. You know that
offense is pretty user friendly for him, and and he
doesn't have to be you know, dynamic and explosive. He
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just has to sit back there and make a decision
to take care of the football. Their defense is gonna
have him in every single game that they play. So
to me, this is, uh, this is kind of set
up for the Steelers. It reminds me of of Peyton
Super Bowl year with the Broncos, And I think Ben
is in a better place physically than Peyton was at
that point in time, but I feel like the threshold
for what he needs to do is very similar to
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Peyton that year. Um. I think their defense is going
to carry them a long way. Yeah, I I do
as well. What about Daniel Jones now? Year two? Offensive
line still work in progress, say Kwan Barkley, Gabe get
Hiden behind the line of scrimmage. What do you think
of Daniel Jones? I liked what he did. You know,
if you take out one throw from that game, down
on the goal line where he just he he couldn't
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let it go, you know, and he had budget Pree
hit him and ball popped up in the here he
gets picked. Um. Outside of that, I thought, you know,
some of the things that he has that you really like.
I think he does need the field well, hangs in there.
I do not think they're great up front by any stretch. Um,
So they have a lot of work they need to
do around him. But if I was a Giants fan,
I actually feel pretty comfortable that that you've got a
(20:19):
pretty good guy you can build around. Calhard's bailing on
Sam Donald? Should I I'm not bailing on Sam Donald.
I'm I'm not feeling great about Sam Donald's success in Um,
those are two different Those are two different categories. I
don't see with where they are right now, what they
have around him skill wise, it's not it's not encouraging. Now.
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He missed, he missed, and he admitted that he missed
three or four throws early in that game. He's got
a hit, um, but I just man, there's just not
a lot of there's not a lot of around them
right now. Some of that due to injury, but uh,
you know, I don't anticipate this being a very good
year for the Jets. And I imagine that, Uh, you know,
they've got all these resources in the off season, um
these next two years, which picks um and that's uh,
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you know, that's where they're gonna have to try and
get the team better. That The challenge is gonna be
if Sam doesn't play well, how do you separate between
what is Sam? If you the organization, um, you know,
versus the surrounding. Because they the way it looked off
one week, Doug, they're gonna be picking way up there
and uh, and this is setting up to be a
very good quarterback year. So that's gonna be it's gonna
be a challenging one for the Jets to figure out. Yeah,
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but did not look if they believe in him, that
could allow them to move down. And then you know,
they have so many other holes to fill, just the
lack of talent um that I mean, they're gonna need
wide receivers, running back. It's gonna need it. It's like
a house, it's gonna need everything. Like we got the quarterback.
He's fine. Let's let's put some dudes around the question
is he takes such a beating and make so many
(21:44):
mistakes that he develops even worse habits. Daniel Jeremiah, our
guest on the Doug Gottlieb Show, Baker Mayfield is that fixable.
It doesn't look good. And I don't understand that one
because I think, you know, I look at everything that's
that he has around him. I think he's set up
for success. So there's no you know, Sam, Yeah, exactly
(22:06):
with Sam. You know, I don't want to absolve him
or any criticism he didn't play well, but you can
you can come up with reasons why Sam didn't play well.
Baker doesn't really have any reasons. When you look at
what he has around him, there's no reason why they
he should not be more successful. Um. And you know, look,
it's I want to overreact off one week. Let's let's
give it three or four more games. But he has
got to be a lot better than that. Um. Okay,
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Derek Carr, what are your thoughts in his performance? He
was fine? I thought he was fine. You know. I
thought when they had to have big drive, the big
drive at the end, he stepped up and delivered. Um.
I think you know they had Henry Ruggs got nicked
up in that game and missed a chunk of time,
but you can see the impact he had early on.
They schemed up a deep shot to him and he
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uh and Derek was able to get it out there.
So Derek still gonna have He still has a little
bit of a conservative gene that shows up at times.
I think it's frustrating, especially down on the red own.
We want to see him just be a little bit
more aggressive and assertive. But um, I thought on the
whole he played pretty well. Um I just don't think
that Raiders defense is gonna be able to be able
to hang with some of these high power teams that
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they're gonna end up seeing this year. I just I
don't have a lot of confidence there. Why were the
Cowboys so bad on third down? Offensively? You know? I
I went into it and I heard all the criticism
of Dak and I kind of went in with that
mindset when I watched the tape. And then when I
watched the tape, I came out of it and said, well,
you're these are a lot of third and long third
and twelve to twenties. Um they pass protection wise, we're
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not good And they let the Rams play a very
physical on the perimeter with Jalen Ramsey, especially against Marity
Cooper on some of those third downs, he just wouldn't
he wouldn't let go. Um So Dak scrambled, made a
couple of things happen there, came up short on one
of them. They end up converting the fourth down. But
you know, long story short, when you watch that tape, Doug,
(23:55):
I did not come away with that. I did not
agree with the uh with the amount of critics. Isn't
that that got for for the third down performance? There
are a lot of other issues they got to clean up. Yeah,
But I mean, like, look again, at some point, the
buck does stop there, right, Like we keep changing coaches
and coordinators. You've got dudes, and I know there's other
issues there, but how many times do we have to
(24:17):
see it against better competition? Do where you go? Is
at least either part of the problem part of the solution. Well,
I mean, I guess you can make the comment about
the competition, but I mean they're the number one offense
in the NFL. Last year, he's taken him the postseason.
I mean, it's not like he's an unaccomplished guy back there.
Um but I'm just saying in that in that one instance,
in that one game that was not that was not
(24:38):
great around him, that that injury the tight end is
really going to hurt them because he had gotten comfortable
with Darwin and they don't have another one. So um
and Mary Cooper's got to get off press. I mean,
they let him play. Um, but man, you've you've you
can't get tied up like he got tied up in that.
I just don't think Marie Cooper is as good as
his contract. He's he's a he's he's an last player.
(25:00):
But yeah, but he was. He was so good when
he came over from the Raiders, but the everyone massively
overvalued him. And like like you said, he just got
mannadled by Jalen Ramsey when they tried to be when
he's physical with them and the rest of him be physical. Yeah.
So I think he's a good, complimentary player. I don't
think he's a he's a pure one a receiver. I
just don't. But um, you know, they they they're they're
(25:23):
an interesting team to keep an eye on. I'm telling
you that injury, let's see how it goes. But I
think that's I don't think many people know who Blake
Jarwin is. Uh so they don't. That just didn't even
they didn't even register for them. That's a big loss
for that team. Yeah, shan shan Lee out again, stopped.
We've heard it for but Blake Jarwin starting tight end.
If I walk on an Oklahoma state an undrafted guy
who you know, earned earned his way to a decent country,
(25:44):
I gotta run the last thing. Uh. Injury starting to
pile up in San Francisco and Jimmy Garoppolo doing those
Jimmy Garoppolo things. How concerned should we be? I think
keep an eye on the On the Kyle Shanahan press
conferences after games, you can see there's a there's a
healthy frustration there with with what he's getting at the
quarterback position. I think that's only going to grow. Awesome stuff.
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Daniel Jeremiah Moved the Sticks is the podcast NFL Network,
of course, covering the Charger games as well. DJ, great stuff.
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of All NBA Team. He'll be on NBA. Anybody's All
NBA team. He's Rick Buker, Bleacher Report, Fox Sports One. Um,
what happened to the Clippers? A lot of things that
maybe in hindsight, I mean hindsight obviously is that perfect
(26:47):
vision that we should have seen coming. I mean I
can pick it apart now and tell you you know
why it happened. Um Montras Harold obviously didn't work out
during the uh during the break and came back out
of out of shape. And he's an energy player. Lou Williams.
You looked closely at his play his playoff performances last
(27:10):
year was an aberration and bottom line was wasn't good
enough to get the Clippers out of the first round
in spite of how badly the Warriors played. Um uh
Kauai Leonard, you know in terms of being a leader,
Paul George, in terms of being a guy who could
step up and clutch situations. I look at now my
(27:32):
analysis who who they were and what they are or
what they were, and um, I was looking at the
glass half bowl. I was looking at what they showed
me glimpses of and said, if they find this and
do this consistently, they're the best team in the league.
But consistency and attention to detail and discipline is a
(27:56):
muscle that I've often said, you have to work. Uh.
It is part of the equation, and it was always
a concern of mine. I just I did it last
year with Toronto. I thought he would do it again
with the Clippers. There was a lot of things that
I looked past, so um, they were who who we
should have suspected they were. They just they didn't become
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the thing that we could have that we thought they
would be. It's you make several grade points there. Let
me let me start with the Kauai thing, and this
is something I thought. I was actually having a conversation
yesterday with a friend of mine who's in the bubble
about Kauai and we're trying to figure out what's wrong
with the Clippers, and he was like, look, everybody's just
(28:40):
kind of talking about they're just not really into it.
Like the bubble is really hard on these guys, especially
the older guys. Not necessary because the family just by
some point, at some point, they're used to a different lifestyle.
Whereas the younger guys, they're not that far removed from
the um a you in the hotel, yeah whatever, and
they're you know, they're they're just out there hooping, right
(29:00):
that they're hooping. They got they got, they got nothing else. Um,
but we're talking about said, yes, right, that's my son's
playing Xbox right now. We got a hoop work out
for two hours later today, right, Like, that's that's what
you're programming for and then this weekend we'll play a
bunch of games. So um. But the Kauai thing, I said,
you can't have a mute leader, and he's like, well, look,
(29:24):
san Antonio Tim Duncan wasn't a big talker. I was like, yeah,
a little bit more behind the scenes. But here's the
difference Sem san Antonio Toronto and the Clippers. San Antonio
Toronto both had a culture that was established at San
Antonio had a championship culture that he became a part of.
Toronto had at a very good culture. They just didn't
have the They didn't have the lead dog to take
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him to the promised land. That's only difference. The Clippers
they had no culture, the completely new thing. So he
couldn't just be him. He had to be something that
he wasn't, which is a true leader, and that's not
who he is. No, I agree, and I think I
looked at the work ethic of and again during the
regular season, and I agree with you. The bubble, uh
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has been a factor in a multitude of ways. I
don't know, we've seen it. I mean, the reality is
all the young teams that normally you have to earn
your stripes and you have to go through the wars
of learning how to handle your energy and the pressure
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and the all of the things that go along with
a normal playoff situation. These young players have not had
to experience that. So these young teams, and I put
the Boston Celtics still in that category because they're there.
They are feeding off of young stars, the Miami Heat,
the Denver Nuggets, um, they've all they're all teams that
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have in normal situations, I don't know that they'd be
doing what they're doing. The Lakers obviously have been a
huge outlier. Although you could a Kyle Kuzma and Alex
Caruso making the contributions that they have, Uh, you know,
would that happen in a normal situation. But I don't
believe that the Clippers would have been any different because
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of all the elements, would would Mantraz Harold have been
more of a factor? Yeah, I think I think so.
Lou Williams, No, his style of play doesn't hold up
in the postseason. And ultimately we saw the chemistry issues.
And to your point, like the one guy who's been
on Kent on championship teams or the two guys Doc
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and Kauai, they can say we know what it looks like,
what it feels like, and how you build one. And
we talked all year about like bringing that chemistry together,
and I just figured at some point one of it,
either one of those two guys would sound the alarm
and say, hey, you know what, we're not getting there.
We're we're missing something and corrected, or would say we're
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missing something and you know, I don't know how we're
going to get it. But since they didn't and I
assumed that they understood what they had and didn't have,
I went along with it. And that was a mistake
that I made. And um uh and I believe that
Kauai and Doc demonstrated in both cases that their championships
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may have been a product as you as you well noted,
may have been a product of who they were with
as opposed to who they are. That that that's even
smarter way of putting it. That's Rick Buker joining us
lost in this is the Nuggets, right, Like, Um, what
they've done is nothing short of spectacular. I don't know
if you saw this sixties sety nine. They outscored the
(32:48):
Clippers in the second half in game five, thirty five
in Game six, and fifty to thirty three in Game seven.
And this is a team that um Yo kich was
known as the guy who'd run out of gas late
in games. Granted we're not playing an altitude anymore. Um,
how would you describe what we've seen from Jamal Murray,
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Yoki and this and this Nuggets team? I I just
I can't help but give Mike Malone a ton of
credit for how he's utilized guys and like how he's
navigated the whole Michael Porter Jr. Element, the way that
he has used his veterans. It's just obviously it helps
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that these um, you know, Jamal Murray I thought said
it well, like they're playing for something and and and
and and as far as social justice, statements and everything.
I don't know that anybody has handled it better than
Jamal Murray. Um, he hasn't been over the top with it.
He's made the statement, but he's he's talked about how
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what's going on in the country right now and the
fight for his has served to be a cause and
a motivator for them playing. And that is the goal
of every coach, is to get guys to play for
something greater than themselves. And lo and behold, the Nuggets
found that in Jamal Murray identified it. And but but
(34:18):
the manipulation of the rotations and just finding the matchups
and taking advantage of them, I just I don't I'm
still not sure how good the Nuggets really are. But um, Michael,
And that's why if I was, if I was writing
a piece right now, because I know who Mike Malone
(34:40):
is from the very start, and he was a little
too full metal, full metal jacket to uh to get
a team to play this way and to survive this way.
There's been some profound change that has happened with Mike
Malone and I'm very curious to find out what it
is because he's evolved as a coach and I think
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where the Nuggets find themselves as a reflection of that,
then you have have you ever seen a game decided
by a block shot where the guy who blocks the
shots hands actually inside the rim almost being donked. I've
never seen that, playmate, No, And you know it's funny,
I said going into the series like one, I'm fascinated
(35:22):
by it and um and I and I wondered, like
who was going to be who'se mismatch creation was going
to be a bigger factor Bam out of Bio or
Jason Tatum as far as forcing the other team to shift,
And would we see Bam out of Bio against Jayson
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Tatum and lo and behold we get that play which
is but this is the thing, so to connect the two.
The Clippers basically got blocked at the rim at game five,
and then we waited to see, okay, how would they
(36:04):
respond and we saw basically they got blocked at the
rim two more times they came up small. I'm really
fascinated to see how Jason Tatum, in particular, in the
in the Celtics in general respond to this, because this
is what champions are made of. You get blocked at
the rim, you have bad games you lose heartbreaking. You
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have heartbreaking losses, it's how you respond to them. And
I'm a I'm a believer in Jason Tatum, but he's
got to show it now, Like he's got to demonstrate
that that was one game and it's in my rear
view mirror and I'm coming right back at you the
next time and I'm going to get it done. But
that's that's where I love this and seeing these young
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guys go at it is that there are there are
reputations and legacies being made. Bubble or no bubble. Rick
Bucker join us from True Report. Uh has just been
this is so so good? Um, what do people think
of Paul George in the league? Like this is? This
(37:10):
is Paul George And and I want to start by saying,
before you react, I do understand that culturally we get
to this like, well you're win. We had a bad season,
like it's not really, But to take a listen to
what he had to say, it is what it is.
It's no cop out. The fact of the matter is
we didn't live up to that expectation. But I think
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internally we've always felt this is not a championship or
bus year for us. You know, we we can only
get better the longer we stay together and the more
we're around each other, the more chemistry for this group,
the better. I think that's really to tell of the
tape of the season. We just didn't have enough time together.
I mean, you had two and a half months in
the boat. If if lou Williams doesn't go to the
Strip Club, if Montres Harold doesn't leave, if Patrick Beverley
(37:54):
doesn't leave and then come back like, you have plenty
of time together. But you know, kind of you know,
they're all saying chemistry. He's the only one saying it
wasn't championship or bust. Yeah. Look, I but I'm not
gonna fault Paul George for that because if he was
thinking that, if he thought that, that is on and
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if that was expressed ever in any point, that is
on Doc and Kauai two to stamp that out and
say no, there's an urgency here, this is time to
get it done. And especially in light of the fact
that you traded I mean, let's not forget they traded
five first round picks Shade Gilda's Alexander and Denilla Gawanari
(38:39):
to get Paul George. They mortgage their future in order
to have this team together now, and Kauen Leonard is
only guaranteed to be part of your team another year.
So this idea that you've got time to cultivate that chemistry.
If Paul George, Paul George should have if he ever
(38:59):
entertained that thought, or any other Clipper entertained that thought,
that should have been squashed and they should have known
that's not the deal. We're going to get it right now.
So to me, it's as much it's looked. Paul George
is a is A is A is A number two
without questions is a number two. When I asked people
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who could benefit the most if Michael Jordan was playing
the Day's game, like who could be his Scottie Pippen, um,
Paul George was one of the names that a lot
of people came up with, And I think that I
tend to agree with that Becausettie Pippen said a lot
of dumb things when he was playing and winning championships,
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and a lot of things he would go that's not
really and not only said but did a lot of
things that you would think that's really not a championship mindset,
and yet Gottie Pippen was part of six championship peaks
because he had the right number one in front of
him and so I had the right number one, had
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the right coach. Well that that's like that, that's like
I've heard this is a Herbert the Lakers. I've heard
that that what what the beauty to how it works
is Anthony Davis is probably their best player because of
his just Lebron, his age, whatever, But it's Lebron basically
tells Anthony Davis what he needs from him, and then
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Anthony Davis not only does it, but then Anthony Davis
then says it to the rest of the guys what
they need and it's it's it's the perfect. Lebron is
the one, even though Anthony Davis is actually the better
player at this point. Is here there's no question. I mean,
that's why Lebron was my m VT because people look
at at Anthony Davis's numbers and go, well, how can
Lebron Blabron might not even be the m v P
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of his team. No, Anthony, this is what is truly
superstar status. Great great players. Stars get their numbers. Superstars
get other guys numbers, and Anthony Davis is what he
is with the Lakers because of Lebron James. If you
take Lebron James out of the equation and put anybody
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else there, I would dare say, Kawhi Leonard included, I'm
not sure that you are, and well, I'm sure you're
not getting this Anthony Davis. And I still need to
see Anthony Davis in some big spots continue to do
what he's he's doing. He he and Paul George to
me are very very similar, and that when it's going good,
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they're good. But if you're in trouble and you need
to be picked up, can they take over? And I feel,
and I've said this is from the very beginning, at
some point, if the Lakers are going to win a championship,
they're going to need Anthony Davis to step up and
be that guy, not just get everything off of Lebron
(41:53):
or the attention that Lebron receives, but to to take
over and be a playmaker. And I'm I need to
see it. He's certainly risen in my estimation, but I
think it's it is still the benefit of playing with
Lebron James. Awesome stuff Buke. Look forward to talking with
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you more now we get the Western and the Eastern
Conference finals. They've been fun so far, no reason to
believe they won't be fun some more. Thanks for joining us, yes, sir,
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