June 9, 2021 • 39 mins
Doug Gottlieb applauds Rudy Gobert’s phenomenal play in Game 1 of Utah’s first round series with the Clippers. While Donovan Mitchell put up all of the flashy numbers, it was Gobert’s defense that closed the game out for the Jazz. He reacts to LeBron James switching his jersey number from #23 to #6 for the second time in his career. Plus, 10-year NBA veteran Ryan Hollins stops by with what he learned about the Clippers on Tuesday night!
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Bucks tonight game three in Milwaukee. Oh it's tomorrow. I'm
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sorry about I'm confused. They don't play tonight. Just Nuggets
Suns tonight, right, just just one West Coast time game.
Got it understood? Okay? Well there is this and last
night's game ended like this in the Jazz radio network
Morris three seconds, two seconds, five back? What seconds? The
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dads are gonna win? But that's a player of the year.
Dot Dock blots the shot at the corner and the
U saw jazz but taking a tide game, did not?
They lead over the light shepherds. We wait be sure?
Oh oh, he went French because Rudy Gobert's French. I
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get it, I get it. That's in the Jazz radio
Networks Doug ot Leave show on Fox Sports Radio Boy. Anyway,
Gobert's play was remarkable, and it's remarkable because it shows
three things that he has that made him an incredibly
special talent. Here's Rudy Gobert after the game. Then he
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needed three to tie the game. Tell I had the
ball and uh, Joe got SWI so we did a
great job trying to take away the the false name
to drive and uh a kind of faked helped him.
I knew that he was gonna pass tows for the three,
so I'll just try to contest as much as I can. Yeah,
I would say if there's a flaw to what the
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Clippers did, you have to know that a team is
gonna switch everything and force the two. And with the
amount of time that they have, I was surprised that
no one drove the ball right like Paul George didn't
look to drive the ball, get to the rim, finish,
cut it to one. Play that game again. If you're
gonna play for a three, you can do what's called
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a veer screen or a ghost screen. Let me see
if I can under explain that that. Uh explain that
style of basketball. When you see a guy run up
like he's gonna screen, he's gonna set a pick, and
he fakes it right, and he fakes it. Why does
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he fake it? Well, you fake it because when you
get to a position like you're gonna screen the defender,
yees Pet Cobbett screat Cobbett switch right, and so the
defender hears it over his left or is right here,
he automatically thinks a switch is coming. Meanwhile, the guy
who's man is he believe is the screening is getting
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ready to switch. So one or two things can happen.
You fake the screen and then you you kind of
slide on out for a three pointer. Sometimes they double
the ball mistakenly. Sometimes they both leave the ball mistakenly.
Oftentimes it leads to one of the two being wide open.
It's on a veer screen. Surprised the Clippers didn't use
a veer screen. It's a perfect time at the end
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of the game to do that with a shooter where
you thinking auto switch is coming. But nonetheless it ends
up in Marcus Morris's hands in the corner. And there's
three parts to it. One Rudy Gobert is smart enough
to kind of fake like he's gonna help and then recover,
which shows that there's there are other guys that can
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defend the rim about as well, maybe even as well
as Rudy Gobert. But can they fake and then get
their feet out and their hands up and defend out
in the perimeter and then he actually jumped on a shot,
fake try to block a shot, landed, recovered, jumped and
blocked the shot without fouling. Do people know how special
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that talent is. I'm not trying to diminish from Donovan Mitchell,
who is in fact the new wave of Dwyane Wade. Right,
He's not necessarily a shooter, but damn you, you're not
gonna dare him to make shots. And the bigger the shot,
the more you feel like it's going in. That That's
who Donovan Mitchoy is. So I'm not taking away from
his forty five and three rebounds, but I I feel
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like I have to defend Rudy Gobert. Even before that
block shot. He changes everything because in the NBA to be,
you know, usually you make one of two choices. You
either have a big who's a ring protector and you're
gonna sacrifice the chance of picking pops, or you go
small and you give up the chance to defend the rim.
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As a big guy, he's incredibly versatile because he can
guard out on the floor. That's what makes him a special,
special player. That's it. So I'm I'm fascinated by the
Rudy Gobert thing by the Rudy Gobert effect and all
the block shots, all that stuff. It's but that last
block was was was the type of stuff that human
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beings are not spells to be able to move like that,
They're just not. But he did, and he blocked the shot,
and here we are. Paul George knows he was too
indecisive at the end of the game. Um, tonight, but
I'll have a better approach. I thought I was just
indecisive on my approach, but I'll be, you know, a
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little bit better on getting the shots that I want
and taking those shots that I want. What did you say,
Romast I'm sorry, So that could be a sound bite
from every game in this last series as well. No, no, no,
he was decisive in some of the geos. I don't think. Yeah,
there was a couple of games where he was pretty good.
A couple of games he's pretty good. I mean, if
if we're if we're being fair, I think it was
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the last get you know, um, he was pretty good, Yes,
the last the game five he was not Game six,
I thought he was. I thought he was pretty decisive.
But but still, look, he's a bit of an he's
an enigma. You know, he goes four of seventeen from
three and you're like, man, we wish Paul George would
take over games. In the other hand, do you really
wanted to take over games? Right? And what you really want? Yes, Kevin,
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do you think the Clippers can take away a moral
victory from hanging with them? And I mean, obviously they
blew the lead, but they had played eight games in
eighteen days, Jazz had all that rest and they were
right there with him. Uh, yes, and no. I A
lot of people are doing the moral victory thing, which
I like, Okay, a lot of people are doing the
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moral victory deal because there is you you do have
to have some balance, like, hey man, we just came
off a series. On the other hand, like you had
a chance to win it, or at least to forced,
you know, to really yea, yeah, you had a chance
to win it and you didn't give it away, but
it it wasn't You didn't take advantage of the opportunity
that presented itself. In my opinion, so I would say, yeah,
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you can, But is that really what you're kind of
looking for? Moral victories? I don't know. I don't know. Gavin,
you asked that because you I think you think they do.
I think I was surprised in the first half with
how well they played, and I wasn't surprised by how
gas they got at the end. Um. But in the end,
you know, it's a seven game series. Moral victories only
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do so much like now that Jazz only need to
win three more games. And uh, and look, that was
a crazy crowd. That was about as insane of a
crowd we've seen since COVID has you know, whatever you
wanna call it not ended, but fans have been allowed
back in the stands. I mean they were. I think
we have audio of them yelling overrated at at Paul.
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George will try to dig that up. But um, I
thought it was impressive. Now they were calling, they were
calling all right. They were also doing playoff p right
or playoff Paul. Weren't they do that? They that's amazing,
That's amazing. I don't It's gonna be good serious, But
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we also have to keep into take into account the
fact that it's a um it's in altitude, so in
addition to being tired from the last series, you're just
gonna be tired in general. All Right, that's the way
it works, So I don't. I'm not surprised by the
level of fatigue at all, at all, not surprised, And um,
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I you kind of you kind of expected it, but
you have to push through it and now you have
a chance. I think now is when that second game
in altitude is when it really affects you, and I
think doubt now is when it also kind of wears
on your body and your mind. Oh man, we had
one that got away. Look, they're gonna have to be
incredibly mentally tough to win this thing, to win the
entire deal. I just I'm I said this going way
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way back, way way back, Um that I truly believe
Rudy Gobert is wildly underrated. And you know, guys like
Shack do him no justice because Shock's way of dominating
a game was completely different than Rudy Gobert's. Like, when
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you have a guy who's that good a shopbalcker and
is that mobile and stays out of foul trouble, does
anybody have any idea how hard that is, how hard
it is to figure you know, to to figure out
how to get to the rim, and you know, everything's
gotta be a floater, gotta go in there and try
and dunk things, but not get embarrassed. Like when he
blocks John Morand's dunk and then he blocks three point shots.
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That's that's not human what he can do. He's like
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M m um, question for you, Ramos, Okay, NBA numbers?
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Which NBA numbers? Do you know the best? You mean
like points per game or turnover? Like the numbers that
guys wear. Oh numbers? Um, let's see. Well in the
current NBA players that are out there right now, I
guess I know him. Okay, you know enough. I think
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I could kind of roughly guess the numbers. Is that
good or bad? No? No, it's it's good. Like um,
Michael Jordan, everybody knows what I'm right, right right? Yeah?
What number is Damian Lillard? Oh that's a good one. Um,
I see them right now by do you know? Yeah?
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He's zero? Okay, Um, I feel like the most famous
zero outside of Blue Tarski's blue up. Um. Outside of that,
I feel like was was aging zero, right, Gilbert Arenas, Yeah,
I feel like that that's kind of his number. Um,
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Kobe gets both eight and twenty four posthumously, Magic was
thirty two, Bird was thirty three. What other numbers, buyer,
do you associate with individual guys in the NBA? UM,
I mean Lucas seventy seven stands out to me as dominique. Yeah,
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um even yeah, going going back, uh, you know, you
know Ewing's thirty three is one, not Larry Bird. Larry Bird.
I think it was more sums to thirty three, but
you yeah, Jason Williams was fifty five. That was unique
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because he was a point guard. Were Yeah. Yeah, I'd say,
who do you guys associate the number three with? Because
there's two very prominent ones. I'm wondering. Probably Dwyane Wade,
That's what I would say to but A I also three, Yeah,
I probably yeah. I was just gonna say there may
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be a recency bias. No, I don't I think that.
I think that a lot of a lot of these.
I mean, like, look, so lebron is switching his number
back from thirty two to six to six from to
six um, which he's done previously, right Like he did
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that when he went to Miami as well, and he
donned the movie the number six in his new Space
Cham movie, which is interesting because Jordan had Space Jam
as well, and he was wearing twenty three, which is
forever Jordan's number. Do we think he's doing this for
any reason other than marketing? I don't believe so, me neither. Really, Yeah,
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I don't think this is one of those take all
the coins in your left ship, in your left pocket
and put in your right pocket just to change, just
to change what what what happened last season or this season?
I wonder if it was a reminder for how many
games they lost to the Sun's by the way, Anthony
Davis is not going to go to I guess twenty
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three would just be hung up in the rafters that uh.
I mean, okay, there's a question. Do they were tired
for ruining game time? John? Do they were? Do you
think they retire Lebron's number? You don't know. You know
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what cross my mind is when if if they did that,
he would have a similar um like situation that that
Kobe had, as you mentioned with the two numbers that
if they did, maybe they would put both of them
up there. But do you think they I mean, will
they forget about the I think they will. I think
they will. I think they will. Should they? Maybe that?
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Maybe there's the better question, Like let's say he plays
how many more years? Four? Three? You think you play
three more years? Okay, so let's say he has three
more years. You got that extension. I can't remember when
it goes through, but yeah, yeah, okay, let's play play
three more years and they don't win another championship. But
he did win one, and he is Lebron James and
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he will become if he play three more years, the
all time scoreing leader in NBA history. Does he would?
If you were in charge, Dan Buyer, would you retire
his number? Yes? Why? Um? Because I think it would
be more of I think it's more difficult to not
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do it then, Like it would be so glaring that
he wouldn't be up there, but he still want a title.
He was, I mean, he was the biggest name in
the game. It's an absolute legend. I think it would
be a glaring I think I think you would notice
it more that he wasn't up there than if he
if he was. So do you think now the Heat
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will retire his number? Right? Well, I ackt they retired
Jordan's number. He never even played a game with him
for a while. So yeah, I mean they they should. Okay,
so they got if they were if they're gonna retire
his number, Cleveland's gonna retire his number. Yeah, that's a given. Yeah.
So did do the Lakers have to? I mean, I
guess I'm sure they will, But do they have to?
(16:52):
They probably don't, But I just I do think that
that it would stand out and it would be like
that that on I don't know, uncomfortable nous if you will,
of them not doing I mean, brought him a title, okay,
do you give him the statue out in front? No,
that does not happen. Okay, But what's what's the difference
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in that and like Shack, well, Shack, I mean the
three you know the fact back. Yeah, that's and and
I also I was gonna say shock kind of you know,
him and Kobe ushered in that that new era. Maybe
Lebron did as well from the end of the Kobe era,
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but I I just felt Shack had more of of
an influence and it was during the prime of his career,
so I could see Shack you know, obviously, you know
magic and and Kobe getting one. But I don't think.
I don't think he's statue worthy. Go ahead, Gavin, you
want to get on this. Will Chamberlain his number was
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retired by the Lakers. He played five seasons, which is
probably how long at least lebron Will and he only
won one title. Yeah, what do you say about that?
But but his number was retired, right, Yeah? So did
they retire twenty thousand? Was that the number? Uh? The
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number switched? Thing? I mean, I guess I get, but
he was already filming it. Why didn't switch it previously?
I don't get that. Be sure to catch the live
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Easter noon Pacific. That's funny that Larry Walker and Derek
Jeter same class. I like Larry Walker, and I guess
he's a Hall of Famer, But like Derek Jeter should
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be in the Hall of Fame, Larry Walker is in
the Hall of Fame. Does that? Does that explanation make sense? Nope,
it doesn't. Umlas Okay, So Kobe Bryant is one of
the greatest players to ever play in the NBA. Right,
Reggie Miller is in the Hall of Fame. I read
g Miller's career does not stack up even close to
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Kobe Bryant's correct titles and stuff like that, no titles
and how good like Reggie was never No one ever
thought Reggie was the best player in the league. No
one ever thought he was a top five player in
the league. He was a great player. But like the
Hall of Fame, I thought was supposed to be the
absolute best of the best. Now what they have to
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have in order to it's still a museum and is
it's it's the Hall of really really, really good and
the Hall of the greatest of all times. And not
to interrupt, Doug, this is something that blew my mind.
If you had a guess how many All Star Games
Reggie Miller made in his eighteen year career, how many
would you say? Ten? John? Do you want to take
a stab? Five? Okay, Gavin John to like lowballing at
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I was calling Ryan Hollands, I get sorry, Reggie Miller
all Star games eighteen year career. How many All Star
Games Reggie Miller played in? Five? It was five, yeah,
him and John. But I was blown away. I actually
thought it would be ten, eleven, twelve, at least ten, right.
I don't know if if this's the log jam at
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guard because of Jordan and Isaiah at that time, or
you know, Iverson coming in, but only five. Surprisingly, No,
he was. I think the most best he was was
third team on BA, wasn't it. Yeah? Yeah, three times
ninety six and ninety eight, yeah, which is not really
Hall of Fame worthy, right, I mean, shouldn't you be
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a Hall of fame shouldn't you be considered, you know,
at least one time, one time a first team on
B a guy or a second team and be a guy.
That's what I'm saying. Like Larry Walker was a tremendous player.
Derek Jeter's in the conversation of greatest shortstops of all time,
greatest Yankees of all time? Right, Like everybody have Babe
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Ruth and Mickey Mail and Derek Jeters in any conversation
of greatest Yankees of all time, right, in any conversation
of greatest shortstops of all time? That that would be
that that would be the kind of the crux of
my argument. Will we'll get back to that in a second.
Ryan Hollins joins his ten B A and tenure NBA veteran.
When when you watch Rudy Gobert play, hey as a
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guy who played that position in the same league. Granted
league's evolved and changed some since since you retired. Uh,
what do you see when you watch Gobert play? Man?
I feel like he plays his role. He blocked shots. Uh,
he drops on the pick a role. He's a lob threight.
He's trying to keep you know, he's active on the
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offensive boards. He does a job, and uh Rudy is
a large part of the success that Utah is having.
I think last year he was first in screened assists.
This year he's second. So that means every time he
sets the screen, someone scores. If not him, somebody's scoring
the basketball. So, uh Rudy's doing his job. The problem
when it comes to Rudy Gobert in Utah and why
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why I'm not in love with, you know, necessarily playing
the center that's not an active center or that is
gonna be getting frigacied in the pick, pick and roll.
Is you get to a point where you gotta switch
everything and you talk on a way to hide him
on Marcus Morris. He's not the greatest ball handler yesterday
and it worked out. But essentially, for Utah to have success,
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he's got to be active in the paint. He's got
to rebound, but he's got to be able to switch
out in guard guards and that's where you get exposed.
And let's say for some reason Utah mixes of the finals.
I don't know if I trust yourudy go bear on
the court having to switch out to Kyrie Irving or
Kevin Durant on the pick and roll. What you what
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do you learn about the Clippers watch him last night.
I think they're improved. I think their minds and hearts
are in the right place. Uh, they still have to
learn how to execute at a high level. In the
fourth quarter. I'm not quite sure what they're running. I
don't know if I'm gonna make that all about Kauai Leonard,
but yeah, I heard rumblings from the Toronto front of
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this that there is a lot of frustration that when
he starts playing a lot of one on one, nobody
else on the court knows what to do. So Kauai
is excellent, but they just they couldn't finish, you know,
and the biggest differences. When Utah has the ball down
the stretch, they know Donovan is the guy, and then afterwards,
you know, they get their guys playing off the clothes ups,
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whether this Royce O'Neil or Engles or whoever they're But
I just felt like the Clippers struggled down the stretch executing.
And I still favor them in this series because where
they're going. But uh, there's just still challenges there with
that team as a unit. But I believe that they're
playing hard and I shall leave even more so, Doug,
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I'm not sure how you felt about this. I feel
like Paul George is accepting his role. I don't feel
like he's trying to do too much. I thought last
year he was doing too much. But I feel like
he's playing good basketball right now, even though the monster
numbers aren't there, but he's not hurting the team. I
would agree. I was confused why they didn't run anything there.
You had thirteen seconds to go, and it felt like
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they didn't have a plan, right, Like you didn't have
a plan for like a run of eer screen or
give me some action, or at least just drive the
ball and get a quick too, and then and then
get a time out or get a foul, right, but
they didn't do it. Felt like they had no plan. Well,
I'll say this were quick to I'm not in the huddle.
I haven't talked to any of my guys over there
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with the Clippers, but think about that loss that they
had against Dallas at the end of the game. If
I'm not mistaken, almost felt like the way Rondo looked
at him, and I played with Rondo as if Kauai
broke the play, I don't know if the player was
for him to go to the corner and get that shot.
Maybe there's another action that was supposed to happen. So um,
I'm no tie I played for tie. TI's calling plays.
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He's putting sets in, but you gotta make sure that
you're executing it because at the end of the day,
if Utah wins this series, it's because they out executed
the Clippers. It won't be because they're better. And that's
the end of the day. And I all due respect
to Donovan, but it's the have been Mitchell show versus
in Los Angeles Clippers, and Paul George has seen that story.
Before with the okay seats under see a little bit
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more help this time around, but still it's it's gonna
be interesting. Um. I haven't talked to you post mortem
with the Lakers. If you were Rob Polinka, I put
you in charge, tell me what you do and you
gotta be realistic if I'm Robbed Polinka. For one, first
thing I do is I sit down with a d
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and I'm gonna say it is as you know, fair
as I can that do. Whatever you've been doing with
your body ain't working. We need you come playoffs, tible.
We give you grace through the entire season, but whatever
you're doing, what your body ain't working, I gotta find
a way to replace with Javelle Beghee and Dwight Howard
brought to the table. Uh, that was a team that
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just suffered defensively. And people are like, oh, they have
the number one statistical defense. Uh during the regular season. Yeah,
because Lebron plays like a snail. Okay, they they walk
the ball of court, your defense is gonna be better
and a liqually when you walk the ball of court.
That doesn't mean you can have playoff defense, and they didn't. Uh,
I'm going out and I'm gonna get a guy who
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can create a shot, if not have some experience another guy.
They didn't replace his rageon rondo. UM. I like k
c p Uh Kuzma was on the table. Whether he
stays or goals, I'm fine either way. But I know
one thing. If I'm robbed to Lincoln, I cannot get
into a position where I have to rely on Kyle Kuzma.
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I can't get into a position where guy's a little
hobbled and I need a little more out of Kuzma.
And and he's just he's incredibly inconsistent and doesn't play
winning basketball. Um. But ultimately they've got to show up
their defense. And I think, I'm I'm I haven't heard
this from anybody. This is from my observations. I feel
like there were torn within signing guys. I see Doug,
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a little bit of Lebron's guy Ice uh in KCP
and Harold. I see a Genie bus good old field
Laker pick with Mark Gasol, you know, you kind of
never want to let go of a player that you
you know you originally drafted his brothers. You know, Mark
in power part of the Laker fraternity that doesn't go anywhere.
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But I thought that was a genie pick. It just
looked like they were all over the place. I thought
Blinka had his hand prints all over Schroder. And to me,
when you brought in dinner Schroder, you brought him into
be a sixth man. When the hell did he start
starting for your team? When din'd he get in a
position where he's demanding money? Those conversations should have been
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made up front. But there's this big Laker championship celebration
where I thought they sacrificed the great defense they had
the year prior to say we're gonna score the basketball
and it didn't work out. Yeah, it it. And so
many people champion their moves in the off season, and
my only caustume was, we don't know what any of
them look within the rules the Lakers, And oh yeah,
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by the way, we don't know what any of them
uh would look like in the in the pressure of
the playoffs. Right. That's it. Like whatever you want to
say about Dennis Shrewder, he never played in a playoff
series of that magnitude before. I don't think you have
played in the playoffs period before, so you don't know
how he's going to react, and I agree with you.
I I thought of him more as a sixth man,
but they didn't have a starting point guard, so he
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became the starting point guard. And people don't understand how
different that role is from six man to starter. He
was so good last year in the playoffs, but it
was playing behind Chris Paul. Behind Chris Paul, some guys
are just made to be the off the bench guy,
starting when you need him. I played with several during
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my career. Raymond Shelton was the top pick. But when
Raymond Shelton figured I'm gonna come up the bench, I'm
gonna score when needed, and I'm gonna finish games for you,
he was excellent. I played with Jamal Crawford. Jamal early
in his career understood I'm not chasing the starting thing.
I'm gonna be the greatest six man you've ever seen.
So with Darren Collinson in high school, excuse me, in
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college at U C, l A, and uh In in
the pros twice, b C was excellent off the bench
and he could deliver some wins the US. They're starting
point guard. That just works for some guys, but they
didn't have the gumption to look at shoulder and say, dude,
this is it our way on the highway because you're
you're not a starter, no, no disrespect. We don't have
time to teak around and experiment. Now, if we're the
(29:27):
Atlanta Hawks where you you you you know, you were
absolutely miserable as a starter, but you're young and we
want to experiment and see what you are. Maybe that
works out. But the Lakers just didn't have that leeway.
And it's funny to me, Doug, I don't know how
you feel about this. We jumped all over Magic Johnson
and so fred Land Stevenson and Beasily and all this
in you you ruin the Lakers. Okay, Pelinka does an
(29:49):
excellent job. And in my mind, this last year Pelinka
ruined the Lakers. This, this championship losses on him. This
is completely on him, because at the end of the day,
even if Lebron than a d are healthy after what
I saw, I don't even know if I can ensure
that they would have won the championship. Yeah, I don't know.
(30:09):
I I I'm so, so, what what moves would you
have made? That are again like this is the instead
of the fan perspectively? Yeah, I would have had this
guy and had that guy in the the other guy, like,
what what would you have done differently than what he
did when it hit the fan. I would have gotten
in play to get McGee back. Uh. When Dwight Howard
(30:29):
asked for money, Uh, i'd have gave it to him. Um.
Another unsung hero which you got a credit Philadelphia's success
as a guy that went after and I think it
really hurt Dallas. Step Curry would have been my number
one target. Uh. Step Terry is excellent in the sense
that he doesn't make you great defensively. He's smart, he's tough,
he'll put his nose in there, but he can play
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make a little better than you'd expect. He's not just
a sitting duck when you run him off the three
point line. And at the same time, he's not gonna
miss an open shot. So step Perry would have been
my number one target and Javel McGee and I fit
the pieces in right after that. I would have sat
down with Frank Boglan said, do you want Monzrez Harold?
Does he work for you or not? He's not a spacer, Uh,
(31:13):
he's a you know, he's a backup five. But you
gotta get him, get his touches on offense. If you're
gonna bring him in, do you do you want to
do this, Frank, because if you don't play him, I'm
not gonna pay the guy seventeen million dollars or either
waste the time because that's what he did. Um. I
don't have any complaints about k c P. I I'd
hold part there um depending on the number. I know
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Rondo got about twenty five mill if I'm not mistaken
from the Hugs end up going to the Clippers. I
don't know if I would have paid that, but I
would have tried to go and get experienced at the
guard position, you know. So that's what they lacked. It
looked like they didn't have guys who would ever played
in the game seven or a game six before against Phoenix,
and just Phoenix just out hustled and out touched them.
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You know, from what I played, those games sixes and
sevens are completely different than once to three or four.
And they just didn't have the experience. And I thought
the playoff championship experience was extremely undervalued by the moves
that were made by Flaka. Last thing, can anybody beat
the nets in the East. I don't think so, Doug. Doug,
(32:15):
you know, it's scary. They haven't played their best basketball.
They haven't even peaked. I thought there's no James Harden.
They're better defensively than we thought. At the end of
the day, Kevin Durant looks absolutely unguardable, and the team
that we thought was most equipped to guard them outside
of the Clippers in the Western Conference, is getting annihilated.
(32:36):
I mean, we everyone wants to jump on the yannas,
ain't this, he ain't that, he ain't whatever, Dude, The
Brooklyn Nets are unnguardable and Kyrie is playing stress free.
But like I said, they're getting stops on the defensive end,
which absolutely changes everything that we ever thought about the
Brooklyn Nets. Yeah, I mean they're they're actually guarding their
(32:57):
sharing the ball. And you got a couple of unguardable
dudes and unguard like I don't know. I mean, if
if if Jana's can't guard k d who can no
and and and are we not speaking enough about the
job that D'Antoni and Nash are doing, because you gotta
it's a circus. Dude, Like Katie Clapson, j will the
(33:20):
other day that miss of the playoffs, like like it's
a circus, but somehow Max is making it work. And
in any of the scenario, I would say these are distractions.
Is not a championship team. They're they're they're too busy
on Twitter and all over the places. But it works.
It works. Hats off to Steve nash Man, it does work.
Ryan Hollins, Brian, do you a great job. Thanks so
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my friend, Doug? The game today is real news, fake quick,
just some real news. Just in. Hawks have lost DeAndre
Hunter for the rest of the season. According to the
Athletic going to need meniscus surgery on his knee. So, now,
(35:13):
when I looked this up, and I'm sorry I did
not when he heard his knee when he got hurt
in college and he missed the n c A tournament
that they were the first one seed to losing, was
that his knee as well? Um, I know he didn't play,
so but if that was the case, then yes, he
(35:36):
definitely got hurt. Yeah, yeah, I know that he just
he didn't play in that series or in that game. Yeah.
What they made up for it the next season they did, Alright,
real news, your fake news, Doug. In addition to Lebron
changing jersey numbers. Anthony Davis is going to take Lebron's
twenty three back? Is that real news or fake news?
(36:01):
It is? John Ramos broke the news earlier that Anthony
Davis is sticking with number three. Of course a d
Ward number twenty three. Yeah. And and you know, as
we're talking about numbers, just quickly, you know, when you
said bird would have number thirty three, and then I
mentioned Patrick Huey, it is unique. Like I just walked
past one of our TVs with the NFL network on
and Aaron Rodgers in twelve, but really it's Tom Brady
(36:25):
and twelve. It's amazing on how guys have similar numbers,
but maybe you don't associate uh them just because it
looks different on a jersey, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
Aaron Rodgers absolutely twelve. Yeah, he's no, he's twelve. Tom
Brady also, well where's twelve? But it's a different color.
Oh yeah, alright. Anyway, moving on quarterbacks, also, traditionally they're
not a ton of numbers to choose from. Yeah, that's fair, right,
(36:47):
It's not like basketball. I hate in basketball how they've
gone away from the traditional certain numbers. You can have
certain numbers. You can't think, Yeah, really lose your fake dudes.
Doug Nzegaman's basketball coach, Mark Fuse is his program wouldn't
have made two n C Double A title games if
they played in an atmosphere where state laws dictated name,
image and likeness rules. Is that real news or fake news?
(37:08):
I know, he testified. I'm gonna say that's fakeness. Spectacah.
He's asking the federal government to step in because even
if the n C Double A has their rules, state
laws would actually UH supersede what the n C Double
A has. So he's asking the UH federal government to
step in with their their own legislation on name, image
(37:30):
and likeness. So what does he want to see happen? Um? Well,
he felt that the if if individual states have different
rules and laws, that it will be an unfair recruiting
advantage to UH states where they're more advantageous rules. So
he just thinks everything should be same across the board
(37:52):
and while the n C Double A could have theirs, again,
states would only go by our schools could only go
by this. But does he want to see name? What
does he want to see happen with? Amyo? Was you likeness.
That was my thing. Um, it's it's a long piece, Doug,
I just took ok. Next fake news, quarterback Peyton Manning
(38:13):
will be enshrined into the Denver Broncos Ring of Fame. Yeah,
that is real news. We're just talking about guys being
honored for short ten years. Manning with the greatest statistical
season for a quarterback and two Super Bowl appearances in
a Super Bowl ring likely worthy despite that short run
in Denver. Real news are fake news. The NFL has
(38:35):
launched a program to try and find a partner city
in Brazil to begin hosting games. Is that real news?
Are fake news? The NHL, the NFL, the NFL, Brazil. Yeah.
Did they launch a program today to try to Germany? Germany? Yeah,
maybe a Munich, maybe Berlin. Finally, Dug, real news are
(38:57):
fake news. Four time Major champion Brooks kept It says
his feud with Bryson the Shambo is quote good for
the game spectacle. Yes, it is. It's good for us
to talk about as well. This is game time on
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(39:20):
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Bucks tonight game three in Milwaukee. Oh it's tomorrow. I'm
(01:35):
sorry about I'm confused. They don't play tonight. Just Nuggets
Suns tonight, right, just just one West Coast time game.
Got it understood? Okay? Well there is this and last
night's game ended like this in the Jazz radio network
Morris three seconds, two seconds, five back? What seconds? The
(02:00):
dads are gonna win? But that's a player of the year.
Dot Dock blots the shot at the corner and the
U saw jazz but taking a tide game, did not?
They lead over the light shepherds. We wait be sure?
Oh oh, he went French because Rudy Gobert's French. I
(02:23):
get it, I get it. That's in the Jazz radio
Networks Doug ot Leave show on Fox Sports Radio Boy. Anyway,
Gobert's play was remarkable, and it's remarkable because it shows
three things that he has that made him an incredibly
special talent. Here's Rudy Gobert after the game. Then he
(02:45):
needed three to tie the game. Tell I had the
ball and uh, Joe got SWI so we did a
great job trying to take away the the false name
to drive and uh a kind of faked helped him.
I knew that he was gonna pass tows for the three,
so I'll just try to contest as much as I can. Yeah,
I would say if there's a flaw to what the
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Clippers did, you have to know that a team is
gonna switch everything and force the two. And with the
amount of time that they have, I was surprised that
no one drove the ball right like Paul George didn't
look to drive the ball, get to the rim, finish,
cut it to one. Play that game again. If you're
gonna play for a three, you can do what's called
(03:27):
a veer screen or a ghost screen. Let me see
if I can under explain that that. Uh explain that
style of basketball. When you see a guy run up
like he's gonna screen, he's gonna set a pick, and
he fakes it right, and he fakes it. Why does
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he fake it? Well, you fake it because when you
get to a position like you're gonna screen the defender,
yees Pet Cobbett screat Cobbett switch right, and so the
defender hears it over his left or is right here,
he automatically thinks a switch is coming. Meanwhile, the guy
who's man is he believe is the screening is getting
(04:07):
ready to switch. So one or two things can happen.
You fake the screen and then you you kind of
slide on out for a three pointer. Sometimes they double
the ball mistakenly. Sometimes they both leave the ball mistakenly.
Oftentimes it leads to one of the two being wide open.
It's on a veer screen. Surprised the Clippers didn't use
a veer screen. It's a perfect time at the end
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of the game to do that with a shooter where
you thinking auto switch is coming. But nonetheless it ends
up in Marcus Morris's hands in the corner. And there's
three parts to it. One Rudy Gobert is smart enough
to kind of fake like he's gonna help and then recover,
which shows that there's there are other guys that can
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defend the rim about as well, maybe even as well
as Rudy Gobert. But can they fake and then get
their feet out and their hands up and defend out
in the perimeter and then he actually jumped on a shot,
fake try to block a shot, landed, recovered, jumped and
blocked the shot without fouling. Do people know how special
(05:11):
that talent is. I'm not trying to diminish from Donovan Mitchell,
who is in fact the new wave of Dwyane Wade. Right,
He's not necessarily a shooter, but damn you, you're not
gonna dare him to make shots. And the bigger the shot,
the more you feel like it's going in. That That's
who Donovan Mitchoy is. So I'm not taking away from
his forty five and three rebounds, but I I feel
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like I have to defend Rudy Gobert. Even before that
block shot. He changes everything because in the NBA to be,
you know, usually you make one of two choices. You
either have a big who's a ring protector and you're
gonna sacrifice the chance of picking pops, or you go
small and you give up the chance to defend the rim.
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As a big guy, he's incredibly versatile because he can
guard out on the floor. That's what makes him a special,
special player. That's it. So I'm I'm fascinated by the
Rudy Gobert thing by the Rudy Gobert effect and all
the block shots, all that stuff. It's but that last
block was was was the type of stuff that human
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beings are not spells to be able to move like that,
They're just not. But he did, and he blocked the shot,
and here we are. Paul George knows he was too
indecisive at the end of the game. Um, tonight, but
I'll have a better approach. I thought I was just
indecisive on my approach, but I'll be, you know, a
(06:38):
little bit better on getting the shots that I want
and taking those shots that I want. What did you say,
Romast I'm sorry, So that could be a sound bite
from every game in this last series as well. No, no, no,
he was decisive in some of the geos. I don't think. Yeah,
there was a couple of games where he was pretty good.
A couple of games he's pretty good. I mean, if
if we're if we're being fair, I think it was
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the last get you know, um, he was pretty good, Yes,
the last the game five he was not Game six,
I thought he was. I thought he was pretty decisive.
But but still, look, he's a bit of an he's
an enigma. You know, he goes four of seventeen from
three and you're like, man, we wish Paul George would
take over games. In the other hand, do you really
wanted to take over games? Right? And what you really want? Yes, Kevin,
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do you think the Clippers can take away a moral
victory from hanging with them? And I mean, obviously they
blew the lead, but they had played eight games in
eighteen days, Jazz had all that rest and they were
right there with him. Uh, yes, and no. I A
lot of people are doing the moral victory thing, which
I like, Okay, a lot of people are doing the
(07:52):
moral victory deal because there is you you do have
to have some balance, like, hey man, we just came
off a series. On the other hand, like you had
a chance to win it, or at least to forced,
you know, to really yea, yeah, you had a chance
to win it and you didn't give it away, but
it it wasn't You didn't take advantage of the opportunity
that presented itself. In my opinion, so I would say, yeah,
(08:16):
you can, But is that really what you're kind of
looking for? Moral victories? I don't know. I don't know. Gavin,
you asked that because you I think you think they do.
I think I was surprised in the first half with
how well they played, and I wasn't surprised by how
gas they got at the end. Um. But in the end,
you know, it's a seven game series. Moral victories only
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do so much like now that Jazz only need to
win three more games. And uh, and look, that was
a crazy crowd. That was about as insane of a
crowd we've seen since COVID has you know, whatever you
wanna call it not ended, but fans have been allowed
back in the stands. I mean they were. I think
we have audio of them yelling overrated at at Paul.
(08:58):
George will try to dig that up. But um, I
thought it was impressive. Now they were calling, they were
calling all right. They were also doing playoff p right
or playoff Paul. Weren't they do that? They that's amazing,
That's amazing. I don't It's gonna be good serious, But
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we also have to keep into take into account the
fact that it's a um it's in altitude, so in
addition to being tired from the last series, you're just
gonna be tired in general. All Right, that's the way
it works, So I don't. I'm not surprised by the
level of fatigue at all, at all, not surprised, And um,
(09:43):
I you kind of you kind of expected it, but
you have to push through it and now you have
a chance. I think now is when that second game
in altitude is when it really affects you, and I
think doubt now is when it also kind of wears
on your body and your mind. Oh man, we had
one that got away. Look, they're gonna have to be
incredibly mentally tough to win this thing, to win the
entire deal. I just I'm I said this going way
(10:07):
way back, way way back, Um that I truly believe
Rudy Gobert is wildly underrated. And you know, guys like
Shack do him no justice because Shock's way of dominating
a game was completely different than Rudy Gobert's. Like, when
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you have a guy who's that good a shopbalcker and
is that mobile and stays out of foul trouble, does
anybody have any idea how hard that is, how hard
it is to figure you know, to to figure out
how to get to the rim, and you know, everything's
gotta be a floater, gotta go in there and try
and dunk things, but not get embarrassed. Like when he
blocks John Morand's dunk and then he blocks three point shots.
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That's that's not human what he can do. He's like
an X man defensively. Be sure to catch the live
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M m um, question for you, Ramos, Okay, NBA numbers?
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Which NBA numbers? Do you know the best? You mean
like points per game or turnover? Like the numbers that
guys wear. Oh numbers? Um, let's see. Well in the
current NBA players that are out there right now, I
guess I know him. Okay, you know enough. I think
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I could kind of roughly guess the numbers. Is that
good or bad? No? No, it's it's good. Like um,
Michael Jordan, everybody knows what I'm right, right right? Yeah?
What number is Damian Lillard? Oh that's a good one. Um,
I see them right now by do you know? Yeah?
(12:04):
He's zero? Okay, Um, I feel like the most famous
zero outside of Blue Tarski's blue up. Um. Outside of that,
I feel like was was aging zero, right, Gilbert Arenas, Yeah,
I feel like that that's kind of his number. Um,
(12:26):
Kobe gets both eight and twenty four posthumously, Magic was
thirty two, Bird was thirty three. What other numbers, buyer,
do you associate with individual guys in the NBA? UM,
I mean Lucas seventy seven stands out to me as dominique. Yeah,
(12:48):
um even yeah, going going back, uh, you know, you
know Ewing's thirty three is one, not Larry Bird. Larry Bird.
I think it was more sums to thirty three, but
you yeah, Jason Williams was fifty five. That was unique
(13:10):
because he was a point guard. Were Yeah. Yeah, I'd say,
who do you guys associate the number three with? Because
there's two very prominent ones. I'm wondering. Probably Dwyane Wade,
That's what I would say to but A I also three, Yeah,
I probably yeah. I was just gonna say there may
(13:31):
be a recency bias. No, I don't I think that.
I think that a lot of a lot of these.
I mean, like, look, so lebron is switching his number
back from thirty two to six to six from to
six um, which he's done previously, right Like he did
(13:53):
that when he went to Miami as well, and he
donned the movie the number six in his new Space
Cham movie, which is interesting because Jordan had Space Jam
as well, and he was wearing twenty three, which is
forever Jordan's number. Do we think he's doing this for
any reason other than marketing? I don't believe so, me neither. Really, Yeah,
(14:18):
I don't think this is one of those take all
the coins in your left ship, in your left pocket
and put in your right pocket just to change, just
to change what what what happened last season or this season?
I wonder if it was a reminder for how many
games they lost to the Sun's by the way, Anthony
Davis is not going to go to I guess twenty
(14:40):
three would just be hung up in the rafters that uh.
I mean, okay, there's a question. Do they were tired
for ruining game time? John? Do they were? Do you
think they retire Lebron's number? You don't know. You know
(15:01):
what cross my mind is when if if they did that,
he would have a similar um like situation that that
Kobe had, as you mentioned with the two numbers that
if they did, maybe they would put both of them
up there. But do you think they I mean, will
they forget about the I think they will. I think
they will. I think they will. Should they? Maybe that?
(15:24):
Maybe there's the better question, Like let's say he plays
how many more years? Four? Three? You think you play
three more years? Okay, so let's say he has three
more years. You got that extension. I can't remember when
it goes through, but yeah, yeah, okay, let's play play
three more years and they don't win another championship. But
he did win one, and he is Lebron James and
(15:45):
he will become if he play three more years, the
all time scoreing leader in NBA history. Does he would?
If you were in charge, Dan Buyer, would you retire
his number? Yes? Why? Um? Because I think it would
be more of I think it's more difficult to not
(16:07):
do it then, Like it would be so glaring that
he wouldn't be up there, but he still want a title.
He was, I mean, he was the biggest name in
the game. It's an absolute legend. I think it would
be a glaring I think I think you would notice
it more that he wasn't up there than if he
if he was. So do you think now the Heat
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will retire his number? Right? Well, I ackt they retired
Jordan's number. He never even played a game with him
for a while. So yeah, I mean they they should. Okay,
so they got if they were if they're gonna retire
his number, Cleveland's gonna retire his number. Yeah, that's a given. Yeah.
So did do the Lakers have to? I mean, I
guess I'm sure they will, But do they have to?
(16:52):
They probably don't, But I just I do think that
that it would stand out and it would be like
that that on I don't know, uncomfortable nous if you will,
of them not doing I mean, brought him a title, okay,
do you give him the statue out in front? No,
that does not happen. Okay, But what's what's the difference
(17:13):
in that and like Shack, well, Shack, I mean the
three you know the fact back. Yeah, that's and and
I also I was gonna say shock kind of you know,
him and Kobe ushered in that that new era. Maybe
Lebron did as well from the end of the Kobe era,
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but I I just felt Shack had more of of
an influence and it was during the prime of his career,
so I could see Shack you know, obviously, you know
magic and and Kobe getting one. But I don't think.
I don't think he's statue worthy. Go ahead, Gavin, you
want to get on this. Will Chamberlain his number was
(17:54):
retired by the Lakers. He played five seasons, which is
probably how long at least lebron Will and he only
won one title. Yeah, what do you say about that?
But but his number was retired, right, Yeah? So did
they retire twenty thousand? Was that the number? Uh? The
(18:18):
number switched? Thing? I mean, I guess I get, but
he was already filming it. Why didn't switch it previously?
I don't get that. Be sure to catch the live
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Easter noon Pacific. That's funny that Larry Walker and Derek
Jeter same class. I like Larry Walker, and I guess
he's a Hall of Famer, But like Derek Jeter should
(18:40):
be in the Hall of Fame, Larry Walker is in
the Hall of Fame. Does that? Does that explanation make sense? Nope,
it doesn't. Umlas Okay, So Kobe Bryant is one of
the greatest players to ever play in the NBA. Right,
Reggie Miller is in the Hall of Fame. I read
g Miller's career does not stack up even close to
(19:02):
Kobe Bryant's correct titles and stuff like that, no titles
and how good like Reggie was never No one ever
thought Reggie was the best player in the league. No
one ever thought he was a top five player in
the league. He was a great player. But like the
Hall of Fame, I thought was supposed to be the
absolute best of the best. Now what they have to
(19:23):
have in order to it's still a museum and is
it's it's the Hall of really really, really good and
the Hall of the greatest of all times. And not
to interrupt, Doug, this is something that blew my mind.
If you had a guess how many All Star Games
Reggie Miller made in his eighteen year career, how many
would you say? Ten? John? Do you want to take
a stab? Five? Okay, Gavin John to like lowballing at
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I was calling Ryan Hollands, I get sorry, Reggie Miller
all Star games eighteen year career. How many All Star
Games Reggie Miller played in? Five? It was five, yeah,
him and John. But I was blown away. I actually
thought it would be ten, eleven, twelve, at least ten, right.
I don't know if if this's the log jam at
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guard because of Jordan and Isaiah at that time, or
you know, Iverson coming in, but only five. Surprisingly, No,
he was. I think the most best he was was
third team on BA, wasn't it. Yeah? Yeah, three times
ninety six and ninety eight, yeah, which is not really
Hall of Fame worthy, right, I mean, shouldn't you be
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a Hall of fame shouldn't you be considered, you know,
at least one time, one time a first team on
B a guy or a second team and be a guy.
That's what I'm saying. Like Larry Walker was a tremendous player.
Derek Jeter's in the conversation of greatest shortstops of all time,
greatest Yankees of all time? Right, Like everybody have Babe
(20:50):
Ruth and Mickey Mail and Derek Jeters in any conversation
of greatest Yankees of all time, right, in any conversation
of greatest shortstops of all time? That that would be
that that would be the kind of the crux of
my argument. Will we'll get back to that in a second.
Ryan Hollins joins his ten B A and tenure NBA veteran.
When when you watch Rudy Gobert play, hey as a
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guy who played that position in the same league. Granted
league's evolved and changed some since since you retired. Uh,
what do you see when you watch Gobert play? Man?
I feel like he plays his role. He blocked shots. Uh,
he drops on the pick a role. He's a lob threight.
He's trying to keep you know, he's active on the
(21:35):
offensive boards. He does a job, and uh Rudy is
a large part of the success that Utah is having.
I think last year he was first in screened assists.
This year he's second. So that means every time he
sets the screen, someone scores. If not him, somebody's scoring
the basketball. So, uh Rudy's doing his job. The problem
when it comes to Rudy Gobert in Utah and why
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why I'm not in love with, you know, necessarily playing
the center that's not an active center or that is
gonna be getting frigacied in the pick, pick and roll.
Is you get to a point where you gotta switch
everything and you talk on a way to hide him
on Marcus Morris. He's not the greatest ball handler yesterday
and it worked out. But essentially, for Utah to have success,
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he's got to be active in the paint. He's got
to rebound, but he's got to be able to switch
out in guard guards and that's where you get exposed.
And let's say for some reason Utah mixes of the finals.
I don't know if I trust yourudy go bear on
the court having to switch out to Kyrie Irving or
Kevin Durant on the pick and roll. What you what
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do you learn about the Clippers watch him last night.
I think they're improved. I think their minds and hearts
are in the right place. Uh, they still have to
learn how to execute at a high level. In the
fourth quarter. I'm not quite sure what they're running. I
don't know if I'm gonna make that all about Kauai Leonard,
but yeah, I heard rumblings from the Toronto front of
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this that there is a lot of frustration that when
he starts playing a lot of one on one, nobody
else on the court knows what to do. So Kauai
is excellent, but they just they couldn't finish, you know,
and the biggest differences. When Utah has the ball down
the stretch, they know Donovan is the guy, and then afterwards,
you know, they get their guys playing off the clothes ups,
(23:21):
whether this Royce O'Neil or Engles or whoever they're But
I just felt like the Clippers struggled down the stretch executing.
And I still favor them in this series because where
they're going. But uh, there's just still challenges there with
that team as a unit. But I believe that they're
playing hard and I shall leave even more so, Doug,
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I'm not sure how you felt about this. I feel
like Paul George is accepting his role. I don't feel
like he's trying to do too much. I thought last
year he was doing too much. But I feel like
he's playing good basketball right now, even though the monster
numbers aren't there, but he's not hurting the team. I
would agree. I was confused why they didn't run anything there.
You had thirteen seconds to go, and it felt like
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they didn't have a plan, right, Like you didn't have
a plan for like a run of eer screen or
give me some action, or at least just drive the
ball and get a quick too, and then and then
get a time out or get a foul, right, but
they didn't do it. Felt like they had no plan. Well,
I'll say this were quick to I'm not in the huddle.
I haven't talked to any of my guys over there
(24:24):
with the Clippers, but think about that loss that they
had against Dallas at the end of the game. If
I'm not mistaken, almost felt like the way Rondo looked
at him, and I played with Rondo as if Kauai
broke the play, I don't know if the player was
for him to go to the corner and get that shot.
Maybe there's another action that was supposed to happen. So um,
I'm no tie I played for tie. TI's calling plays.
(24:45):
He's putting sets in, but you gotta make sure that
you're executing it because at the end of the day,
if Utah wins this series, it's because they out executed
the Clippers. It won't be because they're better. And that's
the end of the day. And I all due respect
to Donovan, but it's the have been Mitchell show versus
in Los Angeles Clippers, and Paul George has seen that story.
Before with the okay seats under see a little bit
(25:08):
more help this time around, but still it's it's gonna
be interesting. Um. I haven't talked to you post mortem
with the Lakers. If you were Rob Polinka, I put
you in charge, tell me what you do and you
gotta be realistic if I'm Robbed Polinka. For one, first
thing I do is I sit down with a d
(25:29):
and I'm gonna say it is as you know, fair
as I can that do. Whatever you've been doing with
your body ain't working. We need you come playoffs, tible.
We give you grace through the entire season, but whatever
you're doing, what your body ain't working, I gotta find
a way to replace with Javelle Beghee and Dwight Howard
brought to the table. Uh, that was a team that
(25:50):
just suffered defensively. And people are like, oh, they have
the number one statistical defense. Uh during the regular season. Yeah,
because Lebron plays like a snail. Okay, they they walk
the ball of court, your defense is gonna be better
and a liqually when you walk the ball of court.
That doesn't mean you can have playoff defense, and they didn't. Uh,
I'm going out and I'm gonna get a guy who
(26:12):
can create a shot, if not have some experience another guy.
They didn't replace his rageon rondo. UM. I like k
c p Uh Kuzma was on the table. Whether he
stays or goals, I'm fine either way. But I know
one thing. If I'm robbed to Lincoln, I cannot get
into a position where I have to rely on Kyle Kuzma.
(26:32):
I can't get into a position where guy's a little
hobbled and I need a little more out of Kuzma.
And and he's just he's incredibly inconsistent and doesn't play
winning basketball. Um. But ultimately they've got to show up
their defense. And I think, I'm I'm I haven't heard
this from anybody. This is from my observations. I feel
like there were torn within signing guys. I see Doug,
(26:58):
a little bit of Lebron's guy Ice uh in KCP
and Harold. I see a Genie bus good old field
Laker pick with Mark Gasol, you know, you kind of
never want to let go of a player that you
you know you originally drafted his brothers. You know, Mark
in power part of the Laker fraternity that doesn't go anywhere.
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But I thought that was a genie pick. It just
looked like they were all over the place. I thought
Blinka had his hand prints all over Schroder. And to me,
when you brought in dinner Schroder, you brought him into
be a sixth man. When the hell did he start
starting for your team? When din'd he get in a
position where he's demanding money? Those conversations should have been
(27:39):
made up front. But there's this big Laker championship celebration
where I thought they sacrificed the great defense they had
the year prior to say we're gonna score the basketball
and it didn't work out. Yeah, it it. And so
many people champion their moves in the off season, and
my only caustume was, we don't know what any of
them look within the rules the Lakers, And oh yeah,
(28:00):
by the way, we don't know what any of them
uh would look like in the in the pressure of
the playoffs. Right. That's it. Like whatever you want to
say about Dennis Shrewder, he never played in a playoff
series of that magnitude before. I don't think you have
played in the playoffs period before, so you don't know
how he's going to react, and I agree with you.
I I thought of him more as a sixth man,
but they didn't have a starting point guard, so he
(28:22):
became the starting point guard. And people don't understand how
different that role is from six man to starter. He
was so good last year in the playoffs, but it
was playing behind Chris Paul. Behind Chris Paul, some guys
are just made to be the off the bench guy,
starting when you need him. I played with several during
(28:43):
my career. Raymond Shelton was the top pick. But when
Raymond Shelton figured I'm gonna come up the bench, I'm
gonna score when needed, and I'm gonna finish games for you,
he was excellent. I played with Jamal Crawford. Jamal early
in his career understood I'm not chasing the starting thing.
I'm gonna be the greatest six man you've ever seen.
So with Darren Collinson in high school, excuse me, in
(29:05):
college at U C, l A, and uh In in
the pros twice, b C was excellent off the bench
and he could deliver some wins the US. They're starting
point guard. That just works for some guys, but they
didn't have the gumption to look at shoulder and say, dude,
this is it our way on the highway because you're
you're not a starter, no, no disrespect. We don't have
time to teak around and experiment. Now, if we're the
(29:27):
Atlanta Hawks where you you you you know, you were
absolutely miserable as a starter, but you're young and we
want to experiment and see what you are. Maybe that
works out. But the Lakers just didn't have that leeway.
And it's funny to me, Doug, I don't know how
you feel about this. We jumped all over Magic Johnson
and so fred Land Stevenson and Beasily and all this
in you you ruin the Lakers. Okay, Pelinka does an
(29:49):
excellent job. And in my mind, this last year Pelinka
ruined the Lakers. This, this championship losses on him. This
is completely on him, because at the end of the day,
even if Lebron than a d are healthy after what
I saw, I don't even know if I can ensure
that they would have won the championship. Yeah, I don't know.
(30:09):
I I I'm so, so, what what moves would you
have made? That are again like this is the instead
of the fan perspectively? Yeah, I would have had this
guy and had that guy in the the other guy, like,
what what would you have done differently than what he
did when it hit the fan. I would have gotten
in play to get McGee back. Uh. When Dwight Howard
(30:29):
asked for money, Uh, i'd have gave it to him. Um.
Another unsung hero which you got a credit Philadelphia's success
as a guy that went after and I think it
really hurt Dallas. Step Curry would have been my number
one target. Uh. Step Terry is excellent in the sense
that he doesn't make you great defensively. He's smart, he's tough,
he'll put his nose in there, but he can play
(30:51):
make a little better than you'd expect. He's not just
a sitting duck when you run him off the three
point line. And at the same time, he's not gonna
miss an open shot. So step Perry would have been
my number one target and Javel McGee and I fit
the pieces in right after that. I would have sat
down with Frank Boglan said, do you want Monzrez Harold?
Does he work for you or not? He's not a spacer, Uh,
(31:13):
he's a you know, he's a backup five. But you
gotta get him, get his touches on offense. If you're
gonna bring him in, do you do you want to
do this, Frank, because if you don't play him, I'm
not gonna pay the guy seventeen million dollars or either
waste the time because that's what he did. Um. I
don't have any complaints about k c P. I I'd
hold part there um depending on the number. I know
(31:34):
Rondo got about twenty five mill if I'm not mistaken
from the Hugs end up going to the Clippers. I
don't know if I would have paid that, but I
would have tried to go and get experienced at the
guard position, you know. So that's what they lacked. It
looked like they didn't have guys who would ever played
in the game seven or a game six before against Phoenix,
and just Phoenix just out hustled and out touched them.
(31:55):
You know, from what I played, those games sixes and
sevens are completely different than once to three or four.
And they just didn't have the experience. And I thought
the playoff championship experience was extremely undervalued by the moves
that were made by Flaka. Last thing, can anybody beat
the nets in the East. I don't think so, Doug. Doug,
(32:15):
you know, it's scary. They haven't played their best basketball.
They haven't even peaked. I thought there's no James Harden.
They're better defensively than we thought. At the end of
the day, Kevin Durant looks absolutely unguardable, and the team
that we thought was most equipped to guard them outside
of the Clippers in the Western Conference, is getting annihilated.
(32:36):
I mean, we everyone wants to jump on the yannas,
ain't this, he ain't that, he ain't whatever, Dude, The
Brooklyn Nets are unnguardable and Kyrie is playing stress free.
But like I said, they're getting stops on the defensive end,
which absolutely changes everything that we ever thought about the
Brooklyn Nets. Yeah, I mean they're they're actually guarding their
(32:57):
sharing the ball. And you got a couple of unguardable
dudes and unguard like I don't know. I mean, if
if if Jana's can't guard k d who can no
and and and are we not speaking enough about the
job that D'Antoni and Nash are doing, because you gotta
it's a circus. Dude, Like Katie Clapson, j will the
(33:20):
other day that miss of the playoffs, like like it's
a circus, but somehow Max is making it work. And
in any of the scenario, I would say these are distractions.
Is not a championship team. They're they're they're too busy
on Twitter and all over the places. But it works.
It works. Hats off to Steve nash Man, it does work.
Ryan Hollins, Brian, do you a great job. Thanks so
(33:41):
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the Doug Gottlieb Show, Dan Byer, What do you got,
my friend, Doug? The game today is real news, fake quick,
just some real news. Just in. Hawks have lost DeAndre
Hunter for the rest of the season. According to the
Athletic going to need meniscus surgery on his knee. So, now,
(35:13):
when I looked this up, and I'm sorry I did
not when he heard his knee when he got hurt
in college and he missed the n c A tournament
that they were the first one seed to losing, was
that his knee as well? Um, I know he didn't play,
so but if that was the case, then yes, he
(35:36):
definitely got hurt. Yeah, yeah, I know that he just
he didn't play in that series or in that game. Yeah.
What they made up for it the next season they did, Alright,
real news, your fake news, Doug. In addition to Lebron
changing jersey numbers. Anthony Davis is going to take Lebron's
twenty three back? Is that real news or fake news?
(36:01):
It is? John Ramos broke the news earlier that Anthony
Davis is sticking with number three. Of course a d
Ward number twenty three. Yeah. And and you know, as
we're talking about numbers, just quickly, you know, when you
said bird would have number thirty three, and then I
mentioned Patrick Huey, it is unique. Like I just walked
past one of our TVs with the NFL network on
and Aaron Rodgers in twelve, but really it's Tom Brady
(36:25):
and twelve. It's amazing on how guys have similar numbers,
but maybe you don't associate uh them just because it
looks different on a jersey, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
Aaron Rodgers absolutely twelve. Yeah, he's no, he's twelve. Tom
Brady also, well where's twelve? But it's a different color.
Oh yeah, alright. Anyway, moving on quarterbacks, also, traditionally they're
not a ton of numbers to choose from. Yeah, that's fair, right,
(36:47):
It's not like basketball. I hate in basketball how they've
gone away from the traditional certain numbers. You can have
certain numbers. You can't think, Yeah, really lose your fake dudes.
Doug Nzegaman's basketball coach, Mark Fuse is his program wouldn't
have made two n C Double A title games if
they played in an atmosphere where state laws dictated name,
image and likeness rules. Is that real news or fake news?
(37:08):
I know, he testified. I'm gonna say that's fakeness. Spectacah.
He's asking the federal government to step in because even
if the n C Double A has their rules, state
laws would actually UH supersede what the n C Double
A has. So he's asking the UH federal government to
step in with their their own legislation on name, image
(37:30):
and likeness. So what does he want to see happen? Um? Well,
he felt that the if if individual states have different
rules and laws, that it will be an unfair recruiting
advantage to UH states where they're more advantageous rules. So
he just thinks everything should be same across the board
(37:52):
and while the n C Double A could have theirs, again,
states would only go by our schools could only go
by this. But does he want to see name? What
does he want to see happen with? Amyo? Was you likeness.
That was my thing. Um, it's it's a long piece, Doug,
I just took ok. Next fake news, quarterback Peyton Manning
(38:13):
will be enshrined into the Denver Broncos Ring of Fame. Yeah,
that is real news. We're just talking about guys being
honored for short ten years. Manning with the greatest statistical
season for a quarterback and two Super Bowl appearances in
a Super Bowl ring likely worthy despite that short run
in Denver. Real news are fake news. The NFL has
(38:35):
launched a program to try and find a partner city
in Brazil to begin hosting games. Is that real news?
Are fake news? The NHL, the NFL, the NFL, Brazil. Yeah.
Did they launch a program today to try to Germany? Germany? Yeah,
maybe a Munich, maybe Berlin. Finally, Dug, real news are
(38:57):
fake news. Four time Major champion Brooks kept It says
his feud with Bryson the Shambo is quote good for
the game spectacle. Yes, it is. It's good for us
to talk about as well. This is game time on
the Duck Gottlieb Show. I think it is good for
the game. I do. I don't know if it's so
(39:20):
good for the game that um that that will make
people watch golf. Guys will love it. I don't know
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